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7/30/14 11:08 am Marvin T Smith <mtsmith...> [BRDBRAIN] Jefferson County, FL
7/30/14 8:43 am Peter May <pmay...> [BRDBRAIN] Gray Catbird, Ocala National Forest
7/30/14 12:17 am Steve Petruniak <raeliancaver...> [BRDBRAIN] 300-500 Plus-Swallow-Tailed Kites - Plus Mississippi Kite - Swallow-Tailed Kite-Land Fields Forever ! ! !‏ DAY # 2
7/29/14 12:13 pm Cole Fredricks <cfredricks...> [BRDBRAIN] Sedge Wren @ Lake Hancock Outfall Wetland, Polk Co. 7/29/14
7/27/14 2:18 pm Cameron Cox <kumlieni...> Re: [BRDBRAIN] True marks versus guides with M-F-Juv Barn Swallow (26 Jul 2014)
7/27/14 1:41 pm <dotrobbins...> <dotrobbins...> Re: [BRDBRAIN] True marks versus guides with M-F-Juv Barn Swallow (26 Jul 2014)
7/27/14 12:55 pm Robert Stalnaker <robert.wildlife...> Re: [BRDBRAIN] True marks versus guides with M-F-Juv Barn Swallow (26 Jul 2014)
7/27/14 12:16 pm Cameron Cox <kumlieni...> Re: [BRDBRAIN] True marks versus guides with M-F-Juv Barn Swallow (26 Jul 2014)
7/27/14 5:31 am Robin Diaz <rd4birds...> [BRDBRAIN] More Swallow-tailed Kites (Miami-Dade County)
7/27/14 4:56 am Ken Tracey <kftracey...> [BRDBRAIN] Female Barn Swallow, West Pasco
7/27/14 4:37 am steve siegel <ss4birds...> [BRDBRAIN] Swallow-tailed Kites south
7/26/14 8:54 pm Steve Petruniak <raeliancaver...> [BRDBRAIN] Swallow-Tailed Kite - Elanoides forficatus- Gaviao-Tesoura! Swallow-Tailed Kite-Land Fields Are Forever ! ! !‏‏
7/26/14 8:22 pm Steve Petruniak <raeliancaver...> [BRDBRAIN] Swallow-Tailed Kite - Elanoides forficatus- Gaviao-Tesoura! Swallow-Tailed Kite-Land Fields Forever ! ! !‏
7/26/14 5:36 pm Robert Stalnaker <robert.wildlife...> Re: [BRDBRAIN] True marks versus guides with M-F-Juv Barn Swallow (26 Jul 2014)
7/26/14 4:04 pm Cameron Cox <kumlieni...> Re: [BRDBRAIN] True marks versus guides with M-F-Juv Barn Swallow (26 Jul 2014)
7/26/14 4:01 pm Evelyn Mason <evelynmason2...> Re: [BRDBRAIN] Need Duck ID
7/26/14 12:46 pm Robert Stalnaker <robert.wildlife...> Re: [BRDBRAIN] True marks versus guides with M-F-Juv Barn Swallow (26 Jul 2014)
7/26/14 9:26 am Andy Kratter <kratter...> Re: [BRDBRAIN] True marks versus guides with M-F-Juv Barn Swallow (26 Jul 2014)
7/26/14 8:48 am Renne Leatto <renne...> Re: [BRDBRAIN] Need Duck ID
7/26/14 7:46 am David Simpson <simpsondavid...> Re: [BRDBRAIN] Need Duck ID
7/26/14 7:41 am Mary Rusch <Lorelielee...> Re: [BRDBRAIN] Need Duck ID
7/26/14 6:56 am Evelyn Mason <evelynmason2...> [BRDBRAIN] Need Duck ID
7/25/14 10:23 pm Robert Stalnaker <robert.wildlife...> [BRDBRAIN] True marks versus guides with M-F-Juv Barn Swallow (26 Jul 2014)
7/25/14 5:53 pm Ron Smith <rsmithbirds...> [BRDBRAIN] Red-necked Stint, NO (Monroe County, 25 Jul 2014)
7/25/14 4:02 pm Bev Hansen <bevalhansen...> Re: [BRDBRAIN] Swallow-Tail Kites
7/25/14 3:35 pm Cheryl Lachance <ernurse50...> [BRDBRAIN] Red-necked Stint
7/25/14 1:19 pm Renne Leatto <renne...> Re: [BRDBRAIN] Swallow-Tail Kites
7/25/14 12:28 pm Sharron Shields <golfsharro...> Re: [BRDBRAIN] Swallow-Tail Kites
7/25/14 12:22 pm Alice Horst <ahorst...> [BRDBRAIN] 2 fields of Swallow-tailed/Mississippi Kites -Sumter County
7/25/14 10:42 am Ken Tracey <kftracey...> [BRDBRAIN] Breeding Marsh Wrens, Southern Limit, Eagle Point Park, west Pasco
7/25/14 9:28 am Janet Leavens <janet.leavens1...> Re: [BRDBRAIN] Mystery bird: ID help, please!
7/25/14 8:28 am Peg Urban <pegpixfl...> [BRDBRAIN] Florida Rare Bird Registry
7/25/14 7:25 am Ron Smith <rsmithbirds...> [BRDBRAIN] Red-necked Stint, NO thus far (Monroe County, 25 Jul 2014)
7/25/14 5:59 am Renne Leatto <renne...> Re: [BRDBRAIN] Swallow-Tail Kites
7/24/14 10:44 pm David Starrett <starrettda...> [BRDBRAIN] RFI - NO SIGHTING
7/24/14 6:16 pm Janet Leavens <janet.leavens1...> [BRDBRAIN] Mystery bird: ID help, please!
7/24/14 6:14 pm Joyce Stefancic <jws2735...> Re: [BRDBRAIN] (Call It Absolutely Magic ! ) NOT ... but Lake Panasoffkee WMA was magical
7/24/14 4:17 pm Jack Stephens <jackthule...> [BRDBRAIN] Swallow-Tail Kites
7/24/14 2:53 pm Ron Smith <rsmithbirds...> [BRDBRAIN] Red-necked Stint (Monroe County, 24 Jul 2014)
7/24/14 9:22 am Alice Horst <ahorst...> [BRDBRAIN] Swallow-tailed and Mississippi Kites Sumter County
7/24/14 8:03 am Renne Leatto <renne...> [BRDBRAIN] NO MORE HATE MAIL, PLEASE
7/24/14 7:33 am Robert Stalnaker <robert.wildlife...> Re: [BRDBRAIN] (Call It Absolutely Magic ! ) NOT ... but Lake Panasoffkee WMA was magical
7/24/14 7:12 am Renne Leatto <renne...> Re: [BRDBRAIN] (Call It Absolutely Magic ! ) NOT ... but Lake Panasoffkee WMA was magical
7/24/14 6:57 am Renne Leatto <renne...> Re: [BRDBRAIN] (Call It Absolutely Magic ! ) NOT ... but Lake Panasoffkee WMA was magical
7/24/14 5:59 am <dotrobbins...> <dotrobbins...> Re: [BRDBRAIN] Red-necked Stint further info...
7/24/14 3:45 am Ron Smith <rsmithbirds...> [BRDBRAIN] Red-necked Stint further info...
7/23/14 9:59 pm Robert Stalnaker <robert.wildlife...> Re: [BRDBRAIN] (Call It Absolutely Magic ! ) NOT ... but Lake Panasoffkee WMA was magical
7/23/14 6:32 pm Alice Horst <ahorst...> [BRDBRAIN] Swallow-tailed and Mississippi Kites on cr 466, Sumter County
7/23/14 6:14 pm Jim Swarr <jhschwarr...> [BRDBRAIN] RED-NECKED STINT-Boca Chica Beach-4:45pm July 23, 2014
7/23/14 5:28 pm Cole Fredricks <cfredricks...> [BRDBRAIN] Saddle Creek & Lake Hancock Outfall Wetland birding tours
7/23/14 4:20 pm Renne Leatto <renne...> Re: [BRDBRAIN] (Call It Absolutely Magic ! ) NOT ... but Lake Panasoffkee WMA was magical
7/23/14 1:52 pm David Hartgrove <birdman9...> [BRDBRAIN] Biolab Road & MINWR
7/22/14 6:25 am Ron Smith <rsmithbirds...> [BRDBRAIN] Red-necked Stint (Monroe County, 22 Jul 2014)
7/22/14 1:20 am Steve Petruniak <raeliancaver...> [BRDBRAIN] (Call It Absolutely Magic ! ) Swallow-Tailed Kite-Land Fields Forever ! Just a Flock Of Birds ! 300-400 Plus ! Route 466- Wildwood- (Sumter County)‏
7/20/14 6:38 pm Reinhard Geisler <r102...> [BRDBRAIN] Red-necked Stint, Boca Chica, Monroe County - refound today
7/20/14 4:38 pm Cathy Walters <catherinwalters...> Re: [BRDBRAIN] Kite Bonanza @ Wildwood (Sumter County)
7/20/14 9:27 am Susan Daughtrey <susansd...> [BRDBRAIN] The return of the Spotted Sandpiper to Charlotte County
7/19/14 4:15 pm Fred Hileman <fredleeh...> [BRDBRAIN] Swallow-tailed Kites
7/19/14 2:18 pm Bill Pranty <billpranty...> [BRDBRAIN] Magpie Geese, Volusia County, 19 Jul 2014
7/18/14 2:36 pm Joyce Stefancic <jws2735...> [BRDBRAIN] Sumter county pic
7/18/14 2:12 pm Joyce Stefancic <jws2735...> [BRDBRAIN] Kite Bonanza @ Wildwood (Sumter County)
7/18/14 9:59 am Susan Daughtrey <susansd...> [BRDBRAIN] Purple Gallinules at Laurel Landfill in Sarasota County
7/18/14 9:27 am Bill Pranty <billpranty...> Re: [BRDBRAIN] another mystery bird
7/18/14 9:22 am Mary Rusch <Lorelielee...> Re: [BRDBRAIN] another mystery bird
7/17/14 8:10 pm Ron Looker <rlooker...> [BRDBRAIN] another mystery bird
7/17/14 7:44 pm Alice Horst <ahorst...> [BRDBRAIN] Swallow-tailed Kites still on 466 in Sumter County
7/17/14 2:42 pm Joe Misiaszek <jjmjrfl...> [BRDBRAIN] Hummer feeding her Offspring
7/17/14 8:41 am James Stevenson <jstevenson...> [BRDBRAIN] Prothonotary Warbler
7/17/14 4:45 am Michael Brothers <mbrothers.larids...> [BRDBRAIN] Red-necked Stint
7/16/14 5:05 pm Brian Ahern <barredantshrike...> Re: [BRDBRAIN] Red necked stint?
7/16/14 4:47 pm Lucy Miller <lucy_miller...> [BRDBRAIN] Red necked stint?
7/16/14 7:05 am Murray Gardler <mangrovefirst...> [BRDBRAIN] Red necked stint
7/16/14 6:27 am Andy Kratter <kratter...> [BRDBRAIN] Red-necked Stint , Boca Chica Key
7/15/14 12:57 pm David Gagne <oporornis77...> [BRDBRAIN] Mississippi Kite, Hernando County, 07/15/14
7/14/14 7:27 pm Ron Looker <rlooker...> [BRDBRAIN] bird ID help
7/14/14 6:37 pm Daniel Estabrooks <hyla514...> [BRDBRAIN] ID - Mottled Duck?
7/14/14 2:42 pm Wally Jones <gin.wal...> Re: [BRDBRAIN] Swallow-tailed Kites - Hardee County(updated url for images)
7/14/14 1:32 pm Wally Jones <gin.wal...> [BRDBRAIN] Swallow-tailed Kites - Hardee County
7/14/14 5:01 am Joyce Stefancic <jws2735...> [BRDBRAIN] Merritt Island-Biolab Rd
7/13/14 7:58 pm Nate Stuart <stuartnate...> [BRDBRAIN] Nate Stuart - 7/14/2014 3:57:50 AM
7/13/14 6:03 pm Scott Simmons <scott.j.simmons...> [BRDBRAIN] My Account was Hacked
7/13/14 5:33 pm Scott Simmons <scott.j.simmons...> [BRDBRAIN] Scott Simmons - 7/14/2014 1:24:42 AM
7/13/14 2:44 pm Robert Stalnaker <robert.wildlife...> Re: [BRDBRAIN] Swallow-tailed and Mississipp Kite (??)
7/13/14 2:43 pm Robert Stalnaker <robert.wildlife...> [BRDBRAIN] Fw: Swallow-tailed and Mississipp Kite (??)
7/13/14 1:18 pm Ron Smith <rsmithbirds...> [BRDBRAIN] Recent Pinellas County Migrants (13 Jul 2014)
7/13/14 9:51 am Joseph Morlan <jmorlan...> [BRDBRAIN] Painted Bunting (Passerina ciris ciris)
7/13/14 5:17 am Meret Wilson <wilsonsplover7...> [BRDBRAIN] Spoonbills
7/12/14 5:06 pm Meret Wilson <wilsonsplover7...> Re: [BRDBRAIN] [SWFLBirdline] Lee co. Least peep
7/12/14 3:17 pm Alice Horst <ahorst...> [BRDBRAIN] Citrus County Birding
7/12/14 2:20 pm Bill Pranty <billpranty...> [BRDBRAIN] Gray Crowned Crane at Orange Lake, 12 Jul 2014
7/12/14 9:41 am Alice Horst <ahorst...> [BRDBRAIN] 100 + SWALLOW-TAILED KITES
7/12/14 9:34 am Joseph Morlan <jmorlan...> [BRDBRAIN] Purple Swamphen (Porphyrio porphyrio poliocephalus)
7/12/14 3:51 am Steve Petruniak <raeliancaver...> [BRDBRAIN] Correction : ( Call it Magic ! ) Just a Flock Of Birds ! 30-35 Plus Swallow-Tailed Kites at Central Park ! Spectacular !‏
7/12/14 3:36 am Steve Petruniak <raeliancaver...> [BRDBRAIN] ( Call it Magic ! ) Just a Flock Of Birds ! 30-35 Plus Swallow-Tailed Kites at Central Park ! Spectacular !‏
7/11/14 4:48 pm Robert Stalnaker <robert.wildlife...> Re: [BRDBRAIN] Black-bellied Whistling-Ducks (Dendrocygna autumnalis fulgens)
7/11/14 3:45 pm Joseph Morlan <jmorlan...> [BRDBRAIN] Black-bellied Whistling-Ducks (Dendrocygna autumnalis fulgens)
7/11/14 6:50 am David Gagne <oporornis77...> [BRDBRAIN] TREE SWALLOW West Pasco County, 07/11/2014!!
7/11/14 3:39 am Robert Stalnaker <robert.wildlife...> Re: [BRDBRAIN] ( Call it Magic ! ) Just a Flock Of Birds ! 30-35 Plus Swallow-Tailed Kites at Central Park ! Phenomenal !
7/11/14 3:17 am Steve Petruniak <raeliancaver...> [BRDBRAIN] ( Call it Magic ! ) Just a Flock Of Birds ! 30-35 Plus Swallow-Tailed Kites at Central Park ! Phenomenal !
7/10/14 7:26 pm Robert Stalnaker <robert.wildlife...> Re: [BRDBRAIN] Cattle Egret (Bubulcus ibis ibis)
7/10/14 5:40 pm Joseph Morlan <jmorlan...> [BRDBRAIN] Cattle Egret (Bubulcus ibis ibis)
7/10/14 4:19 pm Ken Tracey <kftracey...> [BRDBRAIN] Powerline Rd
7/10/14 1:55 pm Robert Stalnaker <robert.wildlife...> Re: [BRDBRAIN] House Finch -Yellow Morph- 7-10-14
7/10/14 9:44 am Danny Bales <sueredfish...> [BRDBRAIN] House Finch -Yellow Morph- 7-10-14
7/10/14 6:00 am Judy Anderson <judyanews...> [BRDBRAIN] White Winged Dove
7/9/14 5:15 pm Bob Paxson <rpaxson...> Re: [BRDBRAIN] 4-letter codes
7/9/14 4:13 pm Ken Tracey <kftracey...> [BRDBRAIN] Gray Catbird, Cedar Key
7/8/14 2:35 pm Janet Leavens <janet.leavens1...> Re: [BRDBRAIN] Codes
7/8/14 2:03 pm Jim Armstrong <harpo57...> Re: [BRDBRAIN] 4-letter codes
7/8/14 2:03 pm Murray Gardler <mangrovefirst...> [BRDBRAIN] Codes
7/8/14 12:57 pm Robert Stalnaker <robert.wildlife...> Re: [BRDBRAIN] Swallow-tailed kites at Sawgrass Lake Park
7/8/14 12:04 pm Robert Norton <corvus0486...> Re: [BRDBRAIN] 4-letter codes
7/8/14 11:04 am John Ogden <jogden...> [BRDBRAIN] Swallow-tailed kites at Sawgrass Lake Park
7/8/14 10:07 am Bill Pranty <billpranty...> [BRDBRAIN] 4-letter bird codes
7/8/14 10:02 am Mary Rusch <Lorelielee...> [BRDBRAIN] 4 letter codes
7/8/14 9:54 am Dan Martinelli <billdoor8...> Re: [BRDBRAIN] 4-letter codes
7/8/14 9:24 am Andy Kratter <kratter...> [BRDBRAIN] 4-letter codes
7/8/14 8:03 am John Ogden <jogden...> [BRDBRAIN] SWKI in Sawgrass Lake Park?
7/8/14 7:04 am Ron Smith <rsmithbirds...> Re: [BRDBRAIN] A video of a GBHE Catching and Eating a Big Fish (Sarasota)
7/8/14 4:46 am Mark H. Vance <mark...> [BRDBRAIN] A video of a GBHE Catching and Eating a Big Fish (Sarasota)
7/7/14 5:44 pm Leann Streeper <leann.jackson...> [BRDBRAIN] RBWO food for thought
7/7/14 7:08 am Janet Leavens <janet.leavens1...> [BRDBRAIN] Neotropic Cormorant(s) at Wakodahatchee Wetlands: ID help, please
7/5/14 7:03 pm Dan Irizarry <rdirizarry...> Re: [BRDBRAIN] RBWO technical question
7/5/14 6:11 pm Robert Stalnaker <robert.wildlife...> Re: [BRDBRAIN] RBWO technical question
7/5/14 6:01 pm Leann Streeper <leann.jackson...> [BRDBRAIN] RBWO technical question
7/5/14 5:26 pm Stu Wilson <stuwilson...> [BRDBRAIN] Sarasota Tropical Kingbird Raises Another Brood
7/5/14 5:11 pm Michael Brothers <mbrothers...> [BRDBRAIN] Cliff Swallow. Flagler Co.
7/5/14 2:39 pm Bill Maley <maleyvibes...> Re: [BRDBRAIN] Gulf Coast King Rail
7/5/14 4:54 am Rex Rowan <rexrowan...> [BRDBRAIN] June Challenge mistake #2
7/4/14 3:36 pm Rex Rowan <rexrowan...> [BRDBRAIN] Oops.
7/4/14 1:05 pm Robert Stalnaker <robert.wildlife...> Re: [BRDBRAIN] Gulf Coast King Rail Followup
7/4/14 12:38 pm Michael Brothers <mbrothers.larids...> Re: [BRDBRAIN] Results of The June Challenge 2014
7/4/14 12:09 pm Ken Tracey <kftracey...> [BRDBRAIN] Gulf Coast King Rail Followup
7/4/14 11:13 am <dotrobbins...> <dotrobbins...> Re: [BRDBRAIN] Results of The June Challenge 2014
7/4/14 10:14 am Rex Rowan <rexrowan...> [BRDBRAIN] Results of The June Challenge 2014
7/4/14 4:25 am Diana Doyle <diana...> [BRDBRAIN] Eyes Out for Storm Waif Swallows - Bahama Swallow
7/3/14 5:40 pm Ken Tracey <kftracey...> [BRDBRAIN] Gulf Coast King Rail
7/3/14 5:22 pm Alice Horst <ahorst...> [BRDBRAIN] 4th of July
7/3/14 1:48 pm Brian Ahern <barredantshrike...> Re: [BRDBRAIN] Gulf Coast King Rail
7/3/14 10:13 am Ken Tracey <kftracey...> [BRDBRAIN] Gulf Coast King Rail
7/3/14 7:54 am Ron Smith <rsmithbirds...> Re: [BRDBRAIN] Gulf Coast King Rail
7/3/14 7:30 am David Gagne <oporornis77...> Re: [BRDBRAIN] "KING" RAILS IN PASCO OUNTY
7/3/14 6:43 am dubi <dubi...> Re: [BRDBRAIN] Gulf Coast King Rail
7/2/14 5:19 pm Rex Rowan <rexrowan...> Re: [BRDBRAIN] Canada Goose - Tierra Verde - Pinellas
7/2/14 4:41 pm rcress <w_ouzel...> Re: [BRDBRAIN] Canada Goose - Tierra Verde - Pinellas
7/2/14 3:21 pm Roger Newell <rkn43...> [BRDBRAIN] Canada Goose - Tierra Verde - Pinellas
7/2/14 11:52 am Ken Tracey <kftracey...> [BRDBRAIN] Gulf Coast King Rail
7/2/14 5:11 am Danny Bales <sueredfish...> [BRDBRAIN] Western Trip Ends 7-2-14
7/1/14 8:15 am Cuneyt Yilmaz <cnytyz...> Re: [BRDBRAIN] "Oregon" Junco, North Anclote Bar, 30 Jun 2014. (No kidding!)
7/1/14 5:17 am Scott Simmons <scott.j.simmons...> [BRDBRAIN] Bobolink at Marl Bed Flats, 6/30/2014 (Seminole Co)
7/1/14 4:00 am Rex Rowan <rexrowan...> [BRDBRAIN] Reminder
6/30/14 6:19 pm David Gagne <oporornis77...> [BRDBRAIN] June Challenge Highlights
6/30/14 4:54 pm Nate Dias <offshorebirder...> Re: [BRDBRAIN] Mottled Duck (Anas fulvigula fulvigula)
6/30/14 4:37 pm David Gagne <oporornis77...> [BRDBRAIN] Anclote Islands, Pasco County, June 30, 2014
6/30/14 3:17 pm Gail Deterra <gdeterra...> [BRDBRAIN] Dark-eyed "Oregon" Junco
6/30/14 2:58 pm Bill Pranty <billpranty...> [BRDBRAIN] "Oregon" Junco, North Anclote Bar, 30 Jun 2014. (No kidding!)
6/30/14 10:51 am Ken Tracey <kftracey...> [BRDBRAIN] Redhead Duck, Sun Toyota Pond, Holiday, Pasco
6/30/14 6:31 am Renne Leatto <renne...> Re: [BRDBRAIN] 3 Southeastern American Kestrel (Orange, 29 Jun 2014)
6/30/14 6:24 am Renne Leatto <renne...> Re: [BRDBRAIN] Duck/Goose?? Lee Co
 
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Date: 7/30/14 11:08 am
From: Marvin T Smith <mtsmith...>
Subject: [BRDBRAIN] Jefferson County, FL
I drove down to Jefferson County, FL today from my base in Valdosta. GA via Quitman and Hwy 221. Near the intersection of 221/146 in what the map calls Ashville I found 24 Swallow-tailed Kites over a recently plowed field (SE quadrant of the intersection). At nearby Jeffco Dairy, I found the usual abundance of Cattle Egrets and Cowbirds, a flock of Barn Swallows, several White Ibis including many juveniles, one Swallow-tailed Kite, and one Black-bellied Whistling Duck. The best birds at the Dairy today were a Solitary Sandpiper and a Pectoral Sandpiper. After the dairy, I moved west on Hwy 146 toward Monticello. About 2.5 miles down the road from the intersection with 221, I saw a Mississippi Kite. Just west of the Aucilla, there is a farm pond with many Cattle Egret and one distant Sandpiper which I believe was a Spotted. Continuing on the the Jefferson County Collection Station pond (approximately 7 miles from the 221 intersection), I found seven Black-bellied Whistling Ducks, a group of Cattle Egret, a Little Blue Heron, and three White Ibis. On the way back, I stopped at Pinckney Plantation to check the pond just off Hwy 146. Here I found 3 Black-bellied Whistling Ducks and three White Ibis.
Marvin T. Smith
Valdosta, GA.
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Date: 7/30/14 8:43 am
From: Peter May <pmay...>
Subject: [BRDBRAIN] Gray Catbird, Ocala National Forest
This morning I found a Gray Catbird in the scrub near the parking area for The Yearling Trail in Ocala NF. I also found several prairie warblers in the same area.

Peter May
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Date: 7/30/14 12:17 am
From: Steve Petruniak <raeliancaver...>
Subject: [BRDBRAIN] 300-500 Plus-Swallow-Tailed Kites - Plus Mississippi Kite - Swallow-Tailed Kite-Land Fields Forever ! ! !‏ DAY # 2
Short Report-Sunday: The Melon Fields :The # 2 field off of CR 209 :

This day was even more spectacular and breathtaking than the day before !
We arrived early just after 8 AM and parked near the gate and I walked down a
narrow path that was separating the 2 fields from each other .This was a great
view point as just around 9 AM the Swallow-Tailed Kites began to arrive and go
into the right field at first several diving both high and low and crossing just over
the fence line from one field over to the next one.

A nice couple Susan and Don Davis that came all the way from Palm Beach
County arrived and later went over to field # 1 and reported that there were
workers working in the fields there and the Swallow-Tailed Kites were not
swooping down to the ground there as the workers seemed to affect the
Swallow-Tailed Kites flying patterns there. More and more Swallow-Tailed Kites
kept arriving in and this field seemed to be a little better than field # 1 as more
Swallow-Tailed Kites here were flying closer and lower to the ground . I had
several just fly by literally within inches of where I was standing at the time !
There were several Swallow-Tailed Kites kettles that formed in different areas
and even one Mega Kettle that had to have at least over 100 to 150 Swallow-
Tailed Kites just in this kettle alone starting from the ground all the the way up
to the sky 1000 to 1500 ft and beyond !

There were at least a couple of Hawks in the area a Red Tailed and Red
Shouldered Hawk and later several Blue Birds arrived and a whole family of Blue
Birds were observed close to the road working the fences and wires. Just
reviewing some video footage I observed one of the Swallow-Tailed Kites
actually ran into the fence trying to cross and almost landed but managed to
recover and lift off and 2 other observers who were watching from the road
stated that they had seen one of the Swallow-Tailed Kites hit a power line and
the whole line shook back and forth but that Swallow-Tailed Kite also recovered
and flew on ! Amazing ! Sometime later the owner of the field came out and
said that we we all welcome to watch the Swallow-Tailed Kites as long as they
are there and that later the next week they would start to plow over the melon
fields as they are preparing to do so at field # 1.

A single Mississippi Kite did a very short and very fast fly over directly over head
and continued onward the to the back of the forest and some of the other
Swallow-Tailed Kites in the field ! Excellent ! We spent at least 5 or 6 hours
observing here in sheer and absolute and complete Awe and Amazement at all
of the wondrous sights and sounds that what we were seeing ! Here is a great
video and song by : Nick Cave, to illustrate just how the all of the various Bird
Migrations truly are and why the Swallow-Tailed Kites are just now feeding here
and what they are getting ready for ! Check it out !

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0v9vd4JEeo

Later on the way to the field # 1 on CR 466 on some back roads we had some
great other great birding experiences going on and observed some various
Flycatchers, Meadowlarks,Swallows,Kestrels,and a Family Burros or Donkeys and
then a family of Red Headed Woodpeckers ! 2 adults and one juvenile ! They
were living in some of the high electrical Poles in holes very high up in the air !
Who would have thought ! Totally unexpected !

Back at Field # 1 on 466 the workers were working in the fields pulling out
plastic and the Swallow-Tailed Kites were still there working the fields and were
still coming down in areas where there were no workers ! Later more and more
arrived and I observed a least 100 to 200 plus Swallow-Tailed Kites working this
field and some of the surrounding fields as well !

The Swallow-Tailed Kite fields are located on route 466. You can get there by
going on the turnpike to the Wildwood exit, to route 301. Go north to route
466, turn left and go about 2 1/2 miles down 466. The site is on route 466, 2.5
miles west of 301.

The 2nd melon field that I reported recently: from
301/466 - drive .9 miles to cr209. Turn left, or south on 209 for 1.7 miles.
Turn left, or east, on cr223 (there is NO sign at this intersection), you will see
the birds from 209 to your left. The field is just past SMITH's FARRIER
driveway on 223

Please Enjoy these Swallow-Tailed Kites in the very short time now while they
are still here !


Steve Petruniak

Daytona Beach,FL

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Date: 7/29/14 12:13 pm
From: Cole Fredricks <cfredricks...>
Subject: [BRDBRAIN] Sedge Wren @ Lake Hancock Outfall Wetland, Polk Co. 7/29/14
Daniel Estabrooks, Wally Jones and myself surveyed the Lake Hancock Outfall
Wetland this morning and found a singing (incessantly) SEDGE WREN. ( See
eBird checklist for embedded picture -
http://ebird.org/ebird/view/checklist?subID=S19258776 ) Interestingly, Greg
Thompson and Jacob Newton had a singing Sedge Wren on July 1 at Avon Park
Air Force Bombing Range.

Other highlights included a Barn Owl at dawn, Gull-billed Tern w/ 3 immature
(and begging) young, and a Green-winged Teal. The teal was likely injured
and thus unable to migrate.

Cole Fredricks
Winter Haven, FL

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Date: 7/27/14 2:18 pm
From: Cameron Cox <kumlieni...>
Subject: Re: [BRDBRAIN] True marks versus guides with M-F-Juv Barn Swallow (26 Jul 2014)
Dotty,

I meant "after the breeding season" as in they don't winter here. Sometimes
even when you proofread mistakes slip through! Good catch!

Cameron
Tampa, FL


On Sun, Jul 27, 2014 at 4:40 PM, <dotrobbins...> <dotrobbins...>
wrote:

> Cameron,
>
> I was on you side (as usual!) until I read this: "Since Barn Swallows
> completely vacate North America for the breeding season....". I've
> highlighted it in the text below.
>
>
> Sounds like you are saying that Barn Swallows don't breed in North
> America. Surely that's not what you meant to say?
>
> Dotty Robbins
> High Springs
>
>
> ---------- Original Message ----------
> From: Cameron Cox <kumlieni...>
> To: <BRDBRAIN...>
> Subject: Re: [BRDBRAIN] True marks versus guides with M-F-Juv Barn Swallow
> (26 Jul 2014)
> Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2014 15:16:07 -0400
>
> Bob,
>
> Thanks for your comments. I've included pieces of your email in mine to
> may it clear what I'm responding to:
>
> >Here is what is alarming:
>
> *>"As a consequence of both its wide distribution and its nesting on
> accessible artificial structures near people, the >Barn Swallow has been
> studied extensively throughout the world and especially in Europe. More
> papers have been >published on this species than on any other swallow, and
> it is one of the most thoroughly studied birds in the world." >[*citation
> same as previous email*]*
>
> >Imagine that, one of the most studied birds in history, yet we can't take
> two "experts" account of the >species, including their sources from the
> works of others, and take their account at face value.
>
> Unfortunately I'm not sure what two "expert" accounts you are referring to
> (The BNA and Sibley?), but I'll respond as well as I can. It is very true
> that Barn Swallow is extremely well studied but, as stated, much if the
> research has occurred in the Old World where Barn Swallows appear quite
> different than they do here and show much greater geographic variation. I
> don't know specifically about swallows, but many migratory European birds
> have a completely different molt strategy than most North American birds
> (complete molt in the spring rather than in the fall) and that may
> influence their appearance and what has been written about them. It is also
> true that often in subjects that are well studied some details get
> overlooked. A good example of this is the aging of Anhinga, a bird many of
> us in Florida see frequently. Literally no one knows how many years it
> takes for Anhingas to reach maturity and what the progressing of immature
> plumages is for each sex. If you want to find something wrong in Sibley his
> representation of juvenile Anhinga is most certainly incorrect as is the
> statement that the sexes are the same until the 3rd year. It is also true
> the researchers often focus on different aspects of birds than birders do
> and tend to be less interested in appearance. Not sure if this addresses
> your concerns but without knowing which accounts you are referring to I
> cannot tell if they are credible sources or if there even is a
> contradiction.
>
> >A question would be about the swallow on the right--you ID'd it as a
> female. The wings extend beyond the tail >streamers. Is it "normal" for
> the wings to extend beyond the female's streamers?
>
> Since a photograph is a two dimensional representation of a three
> dimensional world and the bird you are referring to is at a particularly
> awkward angle so I cannot accurately judge exactly where the tail tip falls
> in relation to the tip of the wing. I will say that at this time of year it
> is not unusual for Barn Swallows to have significantly shorter tail
> steamers because the tail feather are quite old and those narrow tail
> streamers often break. In your photo you can see that the right streamer on
> the leftmost bird has broken off. I cannot see it well enough to be
> certain, but the tip of the left streamer looks jagged like part of it too
> has broken off. The past two summers when I was living in Georgia I watched
> a large roost of Barn Swallows, several hundred individuals, at Savannah
> NWR. Many of the adult birds had broken tail streamers and birds with tail
> tips that were equal in length with the wing tips were quite common.
>
> >The size of the swallow on the right is noticeably smaller than the other
> two swallows. From the tables of >measurements, the female is ("supposed
> to be") larger than the male, not smaller. The streamers are smaller on
> the >female versus the male, but total weight is larger. If these "facts"
> from the tables of measurements are not correct, >well then that makes it
> pretty darn hard to learn details when what you take for facts are not
> right. Is it wrong, >Cameron, to state that the female is larger as their
> tables of measurements show? If it is not wrong, any reason >why this
> female is noticeably smaller than the two males?
>
> I assume you are referring to the table in the BNA, unfortunately I've let
> my subscription to the BNA online lapse so I cannot check. Pyle states that
> in swallows males are larger than females and lists a weight range (sample
> size of 100 individuals for each sex) where the males are very marginally
> heavier but with a great deal of overlap. This also squares with my
> observations in the field where males in a known mated pairs appear
> slightly larger than females. Why the table you are looking at listed the
> female as being heavier I cannot address for certain, though I'll guess
> that those measurements are probably mostly from the breeding season when
> females are gearing up to lay eggs and are often heavier. Males and
> females, according to Pyle, are within a few grams of one another and it
> wouldn't take much to throw off those measurements. Since Barn Swallows
> completely vacate North America for the breeding season and swallows are
> particularly difficult to catch and band when they are not at a nesting
> location I'm guessing that the distribution of the weigh measurements is
> much less complete than in most other species and that, possibly, could
> account for the difference.
>
> >Multiple sources indicated underbody color as going dark, lighter, and
> even more pale for male, female then juvenile. >We all know about
> variations, but I assumed that multiple sources would have the color used
> for average underbody >representation right and so Sibley illustrating them
> wrong.
>
> It would be helpful to know what sources, other than the BNA, that you are
> referring to. That said, as I mentioned before the Crossley Guide shows age
> and sex just as the Sibley Guide does, so there are multiple sources that
> represent them that way too. The fact is that adult females with extremely
> pale underparts are quite common and Sibley illustrates their appearance
> accurately and therefore is not wrong. What he does not do is illustrate
> the full range of variation in any age or sex class of Barn Swallow, or any
> other bird for that matter. If you want to identify that as a shortcoming
> you are more than welcome to. As for the appearance of the juveniles, this
> is where really understanding to quality of juvenile feathers comes into
> play. In all birds juvenile feathers are of lesser quality than the
> feathers grown in all post-juvenile molts, and this makes them particularly
> susceptible to wear and fading. This is most evident in songbirds and less
> so in larger birds that spend long periods in the nest growing a better set
> of juvenile feathers, like raptors. Swallows fall between these two
> extremes. Virtually all juvenile Barn Swallows in the nest show variable
> but noticeable amounts of peach-orange wash to the underparts, just as
> Sibley shows them. However, once they leave the nest they quickly begin to
> fade because their feathers are not as robust as those of adults. By
> mid-late fall most of the lingering Barn Swallows are juveniles and most of
> these are quite pale underneath. Both Sibley's representation of underpart
> coloration between the ages and sexes and the one your sources mention,
> males darkest, then females, with juveniles being palest, are correct, they
> are just not correct for all Barn Swallows at all times of the year.
>
> Even the most meticulous references only give the the tip of the iceberg
> when it comes to birds. Birds are such an immense subject that there is no
> way to fully cover every aspect of their variation either in print or with
> illustrations and maintain even a marginally manageable size. Typically
> authors find something accurate they can say succinctly, even if it is not
> the whole truth, rather than add paragraph after paragraph on every aspect
> of a birds plumage just to make sure they cover ever single nuance.
> References are useful but not gospel. Spending time in the field to learn
> birds on your own then allows you to go back to those references and
> "read-between-the-lines" a bit to understand what the author is not fully
> covering. Hope this helps.
>
> All the best,
>
> Cameron Cox
> Tampa, FL
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jul 26, 2014 at 8:36 PM, Robert Stalnaker <
> <robert.wildlife...> wrote:
>
>>
>> Cameron,
>>
>> Hi, and thx for the info.
>>
>> Re, "I disagree with your analysis ..."
>>
>> It isn't my analysis (I am not an expert on swallows), it is my reporting
>> of what other experts have stated applied to my image. Like you said, some
>> "experts", like those that wrote the account for BNA Online, may not have
>> it all right. I described the photo (and tried to educate others)
>> according to what knowledge I could gather from "experts" (be they right or
>> wrong). I wish I truly had enough knowledge to "analyze" an image and
>> state facts--I don't for swallows. I must rely on the "experts".
>>
>> Here is what is alarming:
>>
>> *"As a consequence of both its wide distribution and its nesting on
>> accessible artificial structures near people, the Barn Swallow has been
>> studied extensively throughout the world and especially in Europe. More
>> papers have been published on this species than on any other swallow, and
>> it is one of the most thoroughly studied birds in the world." [*citation
>> same as previous email*]*
>>
>> Imagine that, one of the most studied birds in history, yet we can't take
>> two "experts" account of the species, including their sources from the
>> works of others, and take their account at face value.
>>
>> A question would be about the swallow on the right--you ID'd it as a
>> female. The wings extend beyond the tail streamers. Is it "normal" for
>> the wings to extend beyond the female's streamers?
>>
>> The size of the swallow on the right is noticeably smaller than the other
>> two swallows. From the tables of measurements, the female is ("supposed to
>> be") larger than the male, not smaller. The streamers are smaller on the
>> female versus the male, but total weight is larger. If these "facts" from
>> the tables of measurements are not correct, well then that makes it pretty
>> darn hard to learn details when what you take for facts are not right. Is
>> it wrong, Cameron, to state that the female is larger as their tables of
>> measurements show? If it is not wrong, any reason why this female is
>> noticeably smaller than the two males?
>>
>> Multiple sources indicated underbody color as going dark, lighter, and
>> even more pale for male, female then juvenile. We all know about
>> variations, but I assumed that multiple sources would have the color used
>> for average underbody representation right and so Sibley illustrating them
>> wrong.
>>
>>
>> Bob Stalnaker
>> Longwood, FL
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, July 26, 2014 7:04 PM, Cameron Cox <kumlieni...>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Robert,
>>
>> I disagree with your analysis of the three swallows in your photo. The
>> two birds on the left are both adult males while the bird on the right is
>> an adult female. Aging and sexing can be accomplished by throat color,
>> juvenile birds never have such a dark, clean looking rufous throat, amount
>> of white in the base of the tail, the length of the fork in the tail, and
>> particularly by the shape of the outermost tail feather (broader and
>> blunter in juveniles, longer and distinctly thinner in adult females,
>> longer still and even thinner in adult males. Additionally juveniles in the
>> fall up through November still show at least a hint of yellow around the
>> corner of the mouth (gape) and their feathers have a duller, somewhat
>> looser appearance than the adults.
>>
>> The color of the underpart is quite variable in Barn Swallows, by age and
>> sex as well as individually, and at this time of year I'm guessing wear and
>> fading begins to affect the adults who have traveled from southern South
>> America and then spent the summer foraging in the sun on the feathers they
>> current wear. For this reason it is best to rely on several features in
>> addition to the color of the underparts for judging age and sex.
>>
>> As a kid we had Barn Swallows nest under our front porch and I spent tons
>> of time watching them. Often underparts of the juveniles from the same
>> brood where not all the same color and some of the brightest were more
>> orange below than the adult female. Adult females are the most variable in
>> my opinion, from distinctly washed with orange below to extremely pale
>> buff, almost appearing white in the field, like what Sibley illustrates as
>> the adult female. This is based on observations of know pairs at breeding
>> sites where there is no ambiguity about the age and sex of the bird. The
>> whitish extreme adult female is not rare, I've seen thousands over the
>> years, but adult females are more frequently darker than what Sibley shows.
>> Adult males are also variable in the intensity of the orange below and you
>> photo nicely illustrates two birds that fall near the bright and dull
>> extremes.
>>
>> If you want to see the variation as show in a photo guide the Crossley
>> Guide to birds shows birds that are very like what Sibley illustrates.
>> Overall I would not say Sibley is wrong, just that his illustrations do not
>> paint the full picture of variation in Barn Swallow. It is almost
>> impossible to show the full variation of any bird in a field guide, so you
>> use it as a base and fill in the complete picture with your own knowledge
>> and other resources. Whenever the details of age/sexing or details of
>> plumage are in question the Pyle Identification of North American Birds
>> part I and II guides are the resources to turn to. The quality of the BNA's
>> accounts varies tremendously. I'm not sure how good the Barn Swallow
>> account is, but the molt info for all species is almost universally poor
>> and the info on plumages often is as well.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Cameron Cox
>> Tampa, FL
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Date: 7/27/14 1:41 pm
From: <dotrobbins...> <dotrobbins...>
Subject: Re: [BRDBRAIN] True marks versus guides with M-F-Juv Barn Swallow (26 Jul 2014)
Cameron, I was on you side (as usual!) until I read this: "Since Barn Swallows completely vacate North America for the breeding season....". I've highlighted it in the text below. Sounds like you are saying that Barn Swallows don't breed in North America. Surely that's not what you meant to say? Dotty Robbins
High Springs

---------- Original Message ----------
From: Cameron Cox <kumlieni...>
To: <BRDBRAIN...>
Subject: Re: [BRDBRAIN] True marks versus guides with M-F-Juv Barn Swallow (26 Jul 2014)
Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2014 15:16:07 -0400


Bob, Thanks for your comments. I've included pieces of your email in mine to may it clear what I'm responding to:
>Here is what is alarming: >"As a consequence of both its wide distribution and its nesting on accessible artificial structures near people, the >Barn Swallow has been studied extensively throughout the world and especially in Europe. More papers have been >published on this species than on any other swallow, and it is one of the most thoroughly studied birds in the world." >[citation same as previous email] >Imagine that, one of the most studied birds in history, yet we can't take two "experts" account of the >species, including their sources from the works of others, and take their account at face value. Unfortunately I'm not sure what two "expert" accounts you are referring to (The BNA and Sibley?), but I'll respond as well as I can. It is very true that Barn Swallow is extremely well studied but, as stated, much if the research has occurred in the Old World where Barn Swallows appear quite different than they do here and show much greater geographic variation. I don't know specifically about swallows, but many migratory European birds have a completely different molt strategy than most North American birds (complete molt in the spring rather than in the fall) and that may influence their appearance and what has been written about them. It is also true that often in subjects that are well studied some details get overlooked. A good example of this is the aging of Anhinga, a bird many of us in Florida see frequently. Literally no one knows how many years it takes for Anhingas to reach maturity and what the progressing of immature plumages is for each sex. If you want to find something wrong in Sibley his representation of juvenile Anhinga is most certainly incorrect as is the statement that the sexes are the same until the 3rd year. It is also true the researchers often focus on different aspects of birds than birders do and tend to be less interested in appearance. Not sure if this addresses your concerns but without knowing which accounts you are referring to I cannot tell if they are credible sources or if there even is a contradiction. >A question would be about the swallow on the right--you ID'd it as a female. The wings extend beyond the tail >streamers. Is it "normal" for the wings to extend beyond the female's streamers? Since a photograph is a two dimensional representation of a three dimensional world and the bird you are referring to is at a particularly awkward angle so I cannot accurately judge exactly where the tail tip falls in relation to the tip of the wing. I will say that at this time of year it is not unusual for Barn Swallows to have significantly shorter tail steamers because the tail feather are quite old and those narrow tail streamers often break. In your photo you can see that the right streamer on the leftmost bird has broken off. I cannot see it well enough to be certain, but the tip of the left streamer looks jagged like part of it too has broken off. The past two summers when I was living in Georgia I watched a large roost of Barn Swallows, several hundred individuals, at Savannah NWR. Many of the adult birds had broken tail streamers and birds with tail tips that were equal in length with the wing tips were quite common. >The size of the swallow on the right is noticeably smaller than the other two swallows. From the tables of >measurements, the female is ("supposed to be") larger than the male, not smaller. The streamers are smaller on the >female versus the male, but total weight is larger. If these "facts" from the tables of measurements are not correct, >well then that makes it pretty darn hard to learn details when what you take for facts are not right. Is it wrong, >Cameron, to state that the female is larger as their tables of measurements show? If it is not wrong, any reason >why this female is noticeably smaller than the two males? I assume you are referring to the table in the BNA, unfortunately I've let my subscription to the BNA online lapse so I cannot check. Pyle states that in swallows males are larger than females and lists a weight range (sample size of 100 individuals for each sex) where the males are very marginally heavier but with a great deal of overlap. This also squares with my observations in the field where males in a known mated pairs appear slightly larger than females. Why the table you are looking at listed the female as being heavier I cannot address for certain, though I'll guess that those measurements are probably mostly from the breeding season when females are gearing up to lay eggs and are often heavier. Males and females, according to Pyle, are within a few grams of one another and it wouldn't take much to throw off those measurements. Since Barn Swallows completely vacate North America for the breeding season and swallows are particularly difficult to catch and band when they are not at a nesting location I'm guessing that the distribution of the weigh measurements is much less complete than in most other species and that, possibly, could account for the difference. >Multiple sources indicated underbody color as going dark, lighter, and even more pale for male, female then juvenile. >We all know about variations, but I assumed that multiple sources would have the color used for average underbody >representation right and so Sibley illustrating them wrong. It would be helpful to know what sources, other than the BNA, that you are referring to. That said, as I mentioned before the Crossley Guide shows age and sex just as the Sibley Guide does, so there are multiple sources that represent them that way too. The fact is that adult females with extremely pale underparts are quite common and Sibley illustrates their appearance accurately and therefore is not wrong. What he does not do is illustrate the full range of variation in any age or sex class of Barn Swallow, or any other bird for that matter. If you want to identify that as a shortcoming you are more than welcome to. As for the appearance of the juveniles, this is where really understanding to quality of juvenile feathers comes into play. In all birds juvenile feathers are of lesser quality than the feathers grown in all post-juvenile molts, and this makes them particularly susceptible to wear and fading. This is most evident in songbirds and less so in larger birds that spend long periods in the nest growing a better set of juvenile feathers, like raptors. Swallows fall between these two extremes. Virtually all juvenile Barn Swallows in the nest show variable but noticeable amounts of peach-orange wash to the underparts, just as Sibley shows them. However, once they leave the nest they quickly begin to fade because their feathers are not as robust as those of adults. By mid-late fall most of the lingering Barn Swallows are juveniles and most of these are quite pale underneath. Both Sibley's representation of underpart coloration between the ages and sexes and the one your sources mention, males darkest, then females, with juveniles being palest, are correct, they are just not correct for all Barn Swallows at all times of the year. Even the most meticulous references only give the the tip of the iceberg when it comes to birds. Birds are such an immense subject that there is no way to fully cover every aspect of their variation either in print or with illustrations and maintain even a marginally manageable size. Typically authors find something accurate they can say succinctly, even if it is not the whole truth, rather than add paragraph after paragraph on every aspect of a birds plumage just to make sure they cover ever single nuance. References are useful but not gospel. Spending time in the field to learn birds on your own then allows you to go back to those references and "read-between-the-lines" a bit to understand what the author is not fully covering. Hope this helps. All the best, Cameron CoxTampa, FL

On Sat, Jul 26, 2014 at 8:36 PM, Robert Stalnaker <robert.wildlife...> wrote:
Cameron, Hi, and thx for the info. Re, "I disagree with your analysis ..." It isn't my analysis (I am not an expert on swallows), it is my reporting of what other experts have stated applied to my image. Like you said, some "experts", like those that wrote the account for BNA Online, may not have it all right. I described the photo (and tried to educate others) according to what knowledge I could gather from "experts" (be they right or wrong). I wish I truly had enough knowledge to "analyze" an image and state facts--I don't for swallows. I must rely on the "experts". Here is what is alarming: "As a consequence of both its wide distribution and its nesting on accessible artificial structures near people, the Barn Swallow has been studied extensively throughout the world and especially in Europe. More papers have been published on this species than on any other swallow, and it is one of the most thoroughly studied birds in the world." [citation same as previous email] Imagine that, one of the most studied birds in history, yet we can't take two "experts" account of the species, including their sources from the works of others, and take their account at face value. A question would be about the swallow on the right--you ID'd it as a female. The wings extend beyond the tail streamers. Is it "normal" for the wings to extend beyond the female's streamers? The size of the swallow on the right is noticeably smaller than the other two swallows. From the tables of measurements, the female is ("supposed to be") larger than the male, not smaller. The streamers are smaller on the female versus the male, but total weight is larger. If these "facts" from the tables of measurements are not correct, well then that makes it pretty darn hard to learn details when what you take for facts are not right. Is it wrong, Cameron, to state that the female is larger as their tables of measurements show? If it is not wrong, any reason why this female is noticeably smaller than the two males? Multiple sources indicated underbody color as going dark, lighter, and even more pale for male, female then juvenile. We all know about variations, but I assumed that multiple sources would have the color used for average underbody representation right and so Sibley illustrating them wrong. Bob Stalnaker
Longwood, FL

On Saturday, July 26, 2014 7:04 PM, Cameron Cox <kumlieni...> wrote:


Robert, I disagree with your analysis of the three swallows in your photo. The two birds on the left are both adult males while the bird on the right is an adult female. Aging and sexing can be accomplished by throat color, juvenile birds never have such a dark, clean looking rufous throat, amount of white in the base of the tail, the length of the fork in the tail, and particularly by the shape of the outermost tail feather (broader and blunter in juveniles, longer and distinctly thinner in adult females, longer still and even thinner in adult males. Additionally juveniles in the fall up through November still show at least a hint of yellow around the corner of the mouth (gape) and their feathers have a duller, somewhat looser appearance than the adults. The color of the underpart is quite variable in Barn Swallows, by age and sex as well as individually, and at this time of year I'm guessing wear and fading begins to affect the adults who have traveled from southern South America and then spent the summer foraging in the sun on the feathers they current wear. For this reason it is best to rely on several features in addition to the color of the underparts for judging age and sex. As a kid we had Barn Swallows nest under our front porch and I spent tons of time watching them. Often underparts of the juveniles from the same brood where not all the same color and some of the brightest were more orange below than the adult female. Adult females are the most variable in my opinion, from distinctly washed with orange below to extremely pale buff, almost appearing white in the field, like what Sibley illustrates as the adult female. This is based on observations of know pairs at breeding sites where there is no ambiguity about the age and sex of the bird. The whitish extreme adult female is not rare, I've seen thousands over the years, but adult females are more frequently darker than what Sibley shows. Adult males are also variable in the intensity of the orange below and you photo nicely illustrates two birds that fall near the bright and dull extremes. If you want to see the variation as show in a photo guide the Crossley Guide to birds shows birds that are very like what Sibley illustrates. Overall I would not say Sibley is wrong, just that his illustrations do not paint the full picture of variation in Barn Swallow. It is almost impossible to show the full variation of any bird in a field guide, so you use it as a base and fill in the complete picture with your own knowledge and other resources. Whenever the details of age/sexing or details of plumage are in question the Pyle Identification of North American Birds part I and II guides are the resources to turn to. The quality of the BNA's accounts varies tremendously. I'm not sure how good the Barn Swallow account is, but the molt info for all species is almost universally poor and the info on plumages often is as well. Best, Cameron CoxTampa, FL To subscribe, unsubscribe or view archives of the brdbrain listserv list, please visit us on the web at: http://listserv.admin.usf.edu/archives/brdbrain.html To set to no mail send a message: SET BRDBRAIN NOMAIL to <LISTSERV...> To reinstate mail service after NOMAIL send a message: SET BRDBRAIN MAIL to <LISTSERV...> Report any problems to the listserv administrator: <listadmin...> ____________________________________________________________________________

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Date: 7/27/14 12:55 pm
From: Robert Stalnaker <robert.wildlife...>
Subject: Re: [BRDBRAIN] True marks versus guides with M-F-Juv Barn Swallow (26 Jul 2014)


Thx Cameron, very informative in both posts.

For the record, re weight, the female was 6% larger and measurements were taken across the entire breeding season from a Nebraska pop.

n=106 males, n=130 females.

Also, here is an excerpt (link below) that ties into what we discussed, although on a different path, how ventral color affects health and reproductive success:

"For female North American barn swallows, looking good pays healthy dividends. A new study conducted at the University of Colorado Boulder and involving Cornell University shows the outward appearance of female barn swallows, specifically the hue of their chestnut-colored breast feathers, has an influence on their physiological health. It has been known that in North American barn swallows, both males and females, those with darker ventral feathers have higher reproductive success than those with lighter colors, said Cornell Senior Research Associate Maren Vitousek, who led the new research while a postdoctoral researcher at CU-Boulder. - See more at: Hue of barn swallow breast feathers can influence their health, says study by CU-Boulder, Cornell | University of Colorado Boulder








Hue of barn swallow breast feathers can influence their ...
For female North American barn swallows, looking good pays healthy dividends. A new study conducted at the University of Colorado Boulder and involving Cornel...
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It's always interesting to learn more about any species. Thx again,Cameron, and thx to Andy Kratter also.

Bob Stalnaker
Longwood, FL


On Sunday, July 27, 2014 3:16 PM, Cameron Cox <kumlieni...> wrote:



Bob,

Thanks for your comments. I've included pieces of your email in mine to may it clear what I'm responding to:


>Here is what is alarming:

>"As a consequence of both its wide distribution and its nesting on accessible artificial structures near people, the >Barn Swallow has been studied extensively throughout the world and especially in Europe. More papers have been >published on this species than on any other swallow, and it is one of the most thoroughly studied birds in the world." >[citation same as previous email]

>Imagine that, one of the most studied birds in history, yet we can't take two "experts" account of the >species,including their sources from the works of others, and take their account at face value.

Unfortunately I'm not sure what two "expert" accounts you are referring to (The BNA and Sibley?), but I'll respond as well as I can. It is very true that Barn Swallow is extremely well studied but, as stated, much if the research has occurred in the Old World where Barn Swallows appear quite different than they do here and show much greater geographic variation. I don't know specifically about swallows, but many migratory European birds have a completely different molt strategy than most North American birds (complete molt in the spring rather than in the fall) and that may influence their appearance and what has been written about them. It is also true that often in subjects that are well studied some details get overlooked. A good example of this is the aging of Anhinga, a bird many of us in Florida see frequently. Literally no one knows how many years it takes for Anhingas to reach maturity and what the progressing of immature plumages is for each
sex. If you want to find something wrong in Sibley his representation of juvenile Anhinga is most certainly incorrect as is the statement that the sexes are the same until the 3rd year. It is also true the researchers often focus on different aspects of birds than birders do and tend to be less interested in appearance. Not sure if this addresses your concerns but without knowing which accounts you are referring to I cannot tell if they are credible sources or if there even is a contradiction.

>A question would be about the swallow on the right--you ID'd it as a female. The wings extend beyond the tail >streamers. Is it "normal" for the wings to extend beyond the female's streamers?

Since a photograph is a two dimensional representation of a three dimensional world and the bird you are referring to is at a particularly awkward angle so I cannot accurately judge exactly where the tail tip falls in relation to the tip of the wing. I will say that at this time of year it is not unusual for Barn Swallows to have significantly shorter tail steamers because the tail feather are quite old and those narrow tail streamers often break. In your photo you can see that the right streamer on the leftmost bird has broken off. I cannot see it well enough to be certain, but the tip of the left streamer looks jagged like part of it too has broken off. The past two summers when I was living in Georgia I watched a large roost of Barn Swallows, several hundred individuals, at Savannah NWR. Many of the adult birds had broken tail streamers and birds with tail tips that were equal in length with the wing tips were quite common.

>The size of the swallow on the right isnoticeably smaller than the other two swallows. From the tables of >measurements, the female is ("supposed to be") larger than the male, not smaller. The streamers are smaller on the >female versus the male, but total weight is larger. If these "facts" from the tables of measurementsare not correct, >well then that makes it pretty darn hard to learn details when what you take for facts are not right. Is it wrong, >Cameron, to state that the female is larger as their tables of measurements show? If it is not wrong, any reason >why this female is noticeably smaller than the two males?

I assume you are referring to the table in the BNA, unfortunately I've let my subscription to the BNA online lapse so I cannot check. Pyle states that in swallows males are larger than females and lists a weight range(sample size of 100 individuals for each sex)where the males are very marginally heavier but with a great deal of overlap. This also squares with my observations in the field where males in a known mated pairs appear slightly larger than females. Why the table you are looking at listed the female as being heavier I cannot address for certain, though I'll guess that those measurements are probably mostly from the breeding season when females are gearing up to lay eggs and are often heavier. Males and females, according to Pyle, are within a few grams of one another and it wouldn't take much to throw off those measurements. Since Barn Swallows completely vacate North America for the breeding season and swallows are particularly difficult
to catch and band when they are not at a nesting location I'm guessing that the distribution of the weigh measurements is much less complete than in most other species and that, possibly, could account for the difference.

>Multiple sources indicated underbody color as going dark, lighter, and even more pale for male, female then juvenile. >We all know about variations, but I assumed that multiple sources would havethe color used for average underbody >representationright and so Sibley illustrating them wrong.

It would be helpful to know what sources, other than the BNA, that you are referring to. That said, as I mentioned before the Crossley Guide shows age and sex just as the Sibley Guide does, so there are multiple sources that represent them that way too. The fact is that adult females with extremely pale underparts are quite common and Sibley illustrates their appearance accurately and therefore is not wrong. What he does not do is illustrate the full range of variation in any age or sex class of Barn Swallow, or any other bird for that matter. If you want to identify that as a shortcoming you are more than welcome to. As for the appearance of the juveniles, this is where really understanding to quality of juvenile feathers comes into play. In all birds juvenile feathers are of lesser quality than the feathers grown in all post-juvenile molts, and this makes them particularly susceptible to wear and fading. This is most evident in songbirds and less so in
larger birds that spend long periods in the nest growing a better set of juvenile feathers, like raptors. Swallows fall between these two extremes. Virtually all juvenile Barn Swallows in the nest show variable but noticeable amounts of peach-orange wash to the underparts, just as Sibley shows them. However, once they leave the nest they quickly begin to fade because their feathers are not as robust as those of adults. By mid-late fall most of the lingering Barn Swallows are juveniles and most of these are quite pale underneath. Both Sibley's representation of underpart coloration between the ages and sexes and the one your sources mention, males darkest, then females, with juveniles being palest, are correct, they are just not correct for all Barn Swallows at all times of the year.

Even the most meticulous references only give the the tip of the iceberg when it comes to birds. Birds are such an immense subject that there is no way to fully cover every aspect of their variation either in print or with illustrations and maintain even a marginally manageable size. Typically authors find something accurate they can say succinctly, even if it is not the whole truth, rather than add paragraph after paragraph on every aspect of a birds plumage just to make sure they cover ever single nuance. References are useful but not gospel. Spending time in the field to learn birds on your own then allows you to go back to those references and "read-between-the-lines" a bit to understand what the author is not fully covering. Hope this helps.

All the best,

Cameron Cox
Tampa, FL





On Sat, Jul 26, 2014 at 8:36 PM, Robert Stalnaker <robert.wildlife...> wrote:


>
>Cameron,
>
>
>Hi, and thx for the info.
>
>
>Re, "I disagree with your analysis ..."
>
>
>It isn't my analysis (I am not an expert on swallows), it is my reporting of what other experts have stated applied to my image. Like you said, some "experts", like those that wrote the account for BNA Online, may not have it all right. I described the photo (and tried to educate others) according to what knowledge I could gather from "experts" (be they right or wrong). I wish I truly had enough knowledge to "analyze" an image and state facts--I don't for swallows. I must rely on the "experts".
>
>
>Here is what is alarming:
>
>
>"As a consequence of both its wide distribution and its nesting on accessible artificial structures near people, the Barn Swallow has been studied extensively throughout the world and especially in Europe. More papers have been published on this species than on any other swallow, and it is one of the most thoroughly studied birds in the world." [citation same as previous email]
>
>
>Imagine that, one of the most studied birds in history, yet we can't take two "experts" account of the species,including their sources from the works of others, and take their account at face value.
>
>
>A question would be about the swallow on the right--you ID'd it as a female. The wings extend beyond the tail streamers. Is it "normal" for the wings to extend beyond the female's streamers?
>
>
>The size of the swallow on the right isnoticeably smaller than the other two swallows. From the tables of measurements, the female is ("supposed to be") larger than the male, not smaller. The streamers are smaller on the female versus the male, but total weight is larger. If these "facts" from the tables of measurementsare not correct, well then that makes it pretty darn hard to learn details when what you take for facts are not right. Is it wrong, Cameron, to state that the female is larger as their tables of measurements show? If it is not wrong, any reason why this female is noticeably smaller than the two males?
>
>
>Multiple sources indicated underbody color as going dark, lighter, and even more pale for male, female then juvenile. We all know about variations, but I assumed that multiple sources would havethe color used for average underbody representationright and so Sibley illustrating them wrong.
>
>Bob Stalnaker
>Longwood, FL
>
>
>
>On Saturday, July 26, 2014 7:04 PM, Cameron Cox <kumlieni...> wrote:
>
>
>
>Robert,
>
>
>I disagree with your analysis of the three swallows in your photo. The two birds on the left are both adult males while the bird on the right is an adult female. Aging and sexing can be accomplished by throat color, juvenile birds never have such a dark, clean looking rufous throat, amount of white in the base of the tail, the length of the fork in the tail, and particularly by the shape of the outermost tail feather (broader and blunter in juveniles, longer and distinctly thinner in adult females, longer still and even thinner in adult males. Additionally juveniles in the fall up through November still show at least a hint of yellow around the corner of the mouth (gape) and their feathers have a duller, somewhat looser appearance than the adults.
>
>
>The color of the underpart is quite variable in Barn Swallows, by age and sex as well as individually, and at this time of year I'm guessing wear and fading begins to affect the adults who have traveled from southern South America and then spent the summer foraging in the sun on the feathers they current wear. For this reason it is best to rely on several features in addition to the color of the underparts for judging age and sex.
>
>
>As a kid we had Barn Swallows nest under our front porch and I spent tons of time watching them. Often underparts of the juveniles from the same brood where not all the same color and some of the brightest were more orange below than the adult female. Adult females are the most variable in my opinion, from distinctly washed with orange below to extremely pale buff, almost appearing white in the field, like what Sibley illustrates as the adult female. This is based on observations of know pairs at breeding sites where there is no ambiguity about the age and sex of the bird. The whitish extreme adult female is not rare, I've seen thousands over the years, but adult females are more frequently darker than what Sibley shows. Adult males are also variable in the intensity of the orange below and you photo nicely illustrates two birds that fall near the bright and dull extremes.
>
>
>If you want to see the variation as show in a photo guide the Crossley Guide to birds shows birds that are very like what Sibley illustrates. Overall I would not say Sibley is wrong, just that his illustrations do not paint the full picture of variation in Barn Swallow. It is almost impossible to show the full variation of any bird in a field guide, so you use it as a base and fill in the complete picture with your own knowledge and other resources. Whenever the details of age/sexing or details of plumage are in question the Pyle Identification of North American Birds part I and II guides are the resources to turn to. The quality of the BNA's accounts varies tremendously. I'm not sure how good the Barn Swallow account is, but the molt info for all species is almost universally poor and the info on plumages often is as well.
>
>
>Best,
>
>
>Cameron Cox
>Tampa, FL
>To subscribe, unsubscribe or view archives of the brdbrain listserv list,
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Date: 7/27/14 12:16 pm
From: Cameron Cox <kumlieni...>
Subject: Re: [BRDBRAIN] True marks versus guides with M-F-Juv Barn Swallow (26 Jul 2014)
Bob,

Thanks for your comments. I've included pieces of your email in mine to may
it clear what I'm responding to:

>Here is what is alarming:

*>"As a consequence of both its wide distribution and its nesting on
accessible artificial structures near people, the >Barn Swallow has been
studied extensively throughout the world and especially in Europe. More
papers have been >published on this species than on any other swallow, and
it is one of the most thoroughly studied birds in the world." >[*citation
same as previous email*]*

>Imagine that, one of the most studied birds in history, yet we can't take
two "experts" account of the >species, including their sources from the
works of others, and take their account at face value.

Unfortunately I'm not sure what two "expert" accounts you are referring to
(The BNA and Sibley?), but I'll respond as well as I can. It is very true
that Barn Swallow is extremely well studied but, as stated, much if the
research has occurred in the Old World where Barn Swallows appear quite
different than they do here and show much greater geographic variation. I
don't know specifically about swallows, but many migratory European birds
have a completely different molt strategy than most North American birds
(complete molt in the spring rather than in the fall) and that may
influence their appearance and what has been written about them. It is also
true that often in subjects that are well studied some details get
overlooked. A good example of this is the aging of Anhinga, a bird many of
us in Florida see frequently. Literally no one knows how many years it
takes for Anhingas to reach maturity and what the progressing of immature
plumages is for each sex. If you want to find something wrong in Sibley his
representation of juvenile Anhinga is most certainly incorrect as is the
statement that the sexes are the same until the 3rd year. It is also true
the researchers often focus on different aspects of birds than birders do
and tend to be less interested in appearance. Not sure if this addresses
your concerns but without knowing which accounts you are referring to I
cannot tell if they are credible sources or if there even is a
contradiction.

>A question would be about the swallow on the right--you ID'd it as a
female. The wings extend beyond the tail >streamers. Is it "normal" for
the wings to extend beyond the female's streamers?

Since a photograph is a two dimensional representation of a three
dimensional world and the bird you are referring to is at a particularly
awkward angle so I cannot accurately judge exactly where the tail tip falls
in relation to the tip of the wing. I will say that at this time of year it
is not unusual for Barn Swallows to have significantly shorter tail
steamers because the tail feather are quite old and those narrow tail
streamers often break. In your photo you can see that the right streamer on
the leftmost bird has broken off. I cannot see it well enough to be
certain, but the tip of the left streamer looks jagged like part of it too
has broken off. The past two summers when I was living in Georgia I watched
a large roost of Barn Swallows, several hundred individuals, at Savannah
NWR. Many of the adult birds had broken tail streamers and birds with tail
tips that were equal in length with the wing tips were quite common.

>The size of the swallow on the right is noticeably smaller than the other
two swallows. From the tables of >measurements, the female is ("supposed
to be") larger than the male, not smaller. The streamers are smaller on
the >female versus the male, but total weight is larger. If these "facts"
from the tables of measurements are not correct, >well then that makes it
pretty darn hard to learn details when what you take for facts are not
right. Is it wrong, >Cameron, to state that the female is larger as their
tables of measurements show? If it is not wrong, any reason >why this
female is noticeably smaller than the two males?

I assume you are referring to the table in the BNA, unfortunately I've let
my subscription to the BNA online lapse so I cannot check. Pyle states that
in swallows males are larger than females and lists a weight range (sample
size of 100 individuals for each sex) where the males are very marginally
heavier but with a great deal of overlap. This also squares with my
observations in the field where males in a known mated pairs appear
slightly larger than females. Why the table you are looking at listed the
female as being heavier I cannot address for certain, though I'll guess
that those measurements are probably mostly from the breeding season when
females are gearing up to lay eggs and are often heavier. Males and
females, according to Pyle, are within a few grams of one another and it
wouldn't take much to throw off those measurements. Since Barn Swallows
completely vacate North America for the breeding season and swallows are
particularly difficult to catch and band when they are not at a nesting
location I'm guessing that the distribution of the weigh measurements is
much less complete than in most other species and that, possibly, could
account for the difference.

>Multiple sources indicated underbody color as going dark, lighter, and
even more pale for male, female then juvenile. >We all know about
variations, but I assumed that multiple sources would have the color used
for average underbody >representation right and so Sibley illustrating them
wrong.

It would be helpful to know what sources, other than the BNA, that you are
referring to. That said, as I mentioned before the Crossley Guide shows age
and sex just as the Sibley Guide does, so there are multiple sources that
represent them that way too. The fact is that adult females with extremely
pale underparts are quite common and Sibley illustrates their appearance
accurately and therefore is not wrong. What he does not do is illustrate
the full range of variation in any age or sex class of Barn Swallow, or any
other bird for that matter. If you want to identify that as a shortcoming
you are more than welcome to. As for the appearance of the juveniles, this
is where really understanding to quality of juvenile feathers comes into
play. In all birds juvenile feathers are of lesser quality than the
feathers grown in all post-juvenile molts, and this makes them particularly
susceptible to wear and fading. This is most evident in songbirds and less
so in larger birds that spend long periods in the nest growing a better set
of juvenile feathers, like raptors. Swallows fall between these two
extremes. Virtually all juvenile Barn Swallows in the nest show variable
but noticeable amounts of peach-orange wash to the underparts, just as
Sibley shows them. However, once they leave the nest they quickly begin to
fade because their feathers are not as robust as those of adults. By
mid-late fall most of the lingering Barn Swallows are juveniles and most of
these are quite pale underneath. Both Sibley's representation of underpart
coloration between the ages and sexes and the one your sources mention,
males darkest, then females, with juveniles being palest, are correct, they
are just not correct for all Barn Swallows at all times of the year.

Even the most meticulous references only give the the tip of the iceberg
when it comes to birds. Birds are such an immense subject that there is no
way to fully cover every aspect of their variation either in print or with
illustrations and maintain even a marginally manageable size. Typically
authors find something accurate they can say succinctly, even if it is not
the whole truth, rather than add paragraph after paragraph on every aspect
of a birds plumage just to make sure they cover ever single nuance.
References are useful but not gospel. Spending time in the field to learn
birds on your own then allows you to go back to those references and
"read-between-the-lines" a bit to understand what the author is not fully
covering. Hope this helps.

All the best,

Cameron Cox
Tampa, FL




On Sat, Jul 26, 2014 at 8:36 PM, Robert Stalnaker <robert.wildlife...>
> wrote:

>
> Cameron,
>
> Hi, and thx for the info.
>
> Re, "I disagree with your analysis ..."
>
> It isn't my analysis (I am not an expert on swallows), it is my reporting
> of what other experts have stated applied to my image. Like you said, some
> "experts", like those that wrote the account for BNA Online, may not have
> it all right. I described the photo (and tried to educate others)
> according to what knowledge I could gather from "experts" (be they right or
> wrong). I wish I truly had enough knowledge to "analyze" an image and
> state facts--I don't for swallows. I must rely on the "experts".
>
> Here is what is alarming:
>
> *"As a consequence of both its wide distribution and its nesting on
> accessible artificial structures near people, the Barn Swallow has been
> studied extensively throughout the world and especially in Europe. More
> papers have been published on this species than on any other swallow, and
> it is one of the most thoroughly studied birds in the world." [*citation
> same as previous email*]*
>
> Imagine that, one of the most studied birds in history, yet we can't take
> two "experts" account of the species, including their sources from the
> works of others, and take their account at face value.
>
> A question would be about the swallow on the right--you ID'd it as a
> female. The wings extend beyond the tail streamers. Is it "normal" for
> the wings to extend beyond the female's streamers?
>
> The size of the swallow on the right is noticeably smaller than the other
> two swallows. From the tables of measurements, the female is ("supposed to
> be") larger than the male, not smaller. The streamers are smaller on the
> female versus the male, but total weight is larger. If these "facts" from
> the tables of measurements are not correct, well then that makes it pretty
> darn hard to learn details when what you take for facts are not right. Is
> it wrong, Cameron, to state that the female is larger as their tables of
> measurements show? If it is not wrong, any reason why this female is
> noticeably smaller than the two males?
>
> Multiple sources indicated underbody color as going dark, lighter, and
> even more pale for male, female then juvenile. We all know about
> variations, but I assumed that multiple sources would have the color used
> for average underbody representation right and so Sibley illustrating them
> wrong.
>
> Bob Stalnaker
> Longwood, FL
>
>
> On Saturday, July 26, 2014 7:04 PM, Cameron Cox <kumlieni...>
> wrote:
>
>
> Robert,
>
> I disagree with your analysis of the three swallows in your photo. The two
> birds on the left are both adult males while the bird on the right is an
> adult female. Aging and sexing can be accomplished by throat color,
> juvenile birds never have such a dark, clean looking rufous throat, amount
> of white in the base of the tail, the length of the fork in the tail, and
> particularly by the shape of the outermost tail feather (broader and
> blunter in juveniles, longer and distinctly thinner in adult females,
> longer still and even thinner in adult males. Additionally juveniles in the
> fall up through November still show at least a hint of yellow around the
> corner of the mouth (gape) and their feathers have a duller, somewhat
> looser appearance than the adults.
>
> The color of the underpart is quite variable in Barn Swallows, by age and
> sex as well as individually, and at this time of year I'm guessing wear and
> fading begins to affect the adults who have traveled from southern South
> America and then spent the summer foraging in the sun on the feathers they
> current wear. For this reason it is best to rely on several features in
> addition to the color of the underparts for judging age and sex.
>
> As a kid we had Barn Swallows nest under our front porch and I spent tons
> of time watching them. Often underparts of the juveniles from the same
> brood where not all the same color and some of the brightest were more
> orange below than the adult female. Adult females are the most variable in
> my opinion, from distinctly washed with orange below to extremely pale
> buff, almost appearing white in the field, like what Sibley illustrates as
> the adult female. This is based on observations of know pairs at breeding
> sites where there is no ambiguity about the age and sex of the bird. The
> whitish extreme adult female is not rare, I've seen thousands over the
> years, but adult females are more frequently darker than what Sibley shows.
> Adult males are also variable in the intensity of the orange below and you
> photo nicely illustrates two birds that fall near the bright and dull
> extremes.
>
> If you want to see the variation as show in a photo guide the Crossley
> Guide to birds shows birds that are very like what Sibley illustrates.
> Overall I would not say Sibley is wrong, just that his illustrations do not
> paint the full picture of variation in Barn Swallow. It is almost
> impossible to show the full variation of any bird in a field guide, so you
> use it as a base and fill in the complete picture with your own knowledge
> and other resources. Whenever the details of age/sexing or details of
> plumage are in question the Pyle Identification of North American Birds
> part I and II guides are the resources to turn to. The quality of the BNA's
> accounts varies tremendously. I'm not sure how good the Barn Swallow
> account is, but the molt info for all species is almost universally poor
> and the info on plumages often is as well.
>
> Best,
>
> Cameron Cox
> Tampa, FL
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Date: 7/27/14 5:31 am
From: Robin Diaz <rd4birds...>
Subject: [BRDBRAIN] More Swallow-tailed Kites (Miami-Dade County)
All,

In August, another good place to observe large aggregates of Swallow-tailed Kites is in “East Everglades,” in Miami-Dade County. From Krome Avenue and SW 168 Street, go west 6 miles on SW 168 Street (Richmond Drive) to the “T” with SW 237 Avenue. Anywhere along SW 237 Avenue for ~4.5-mile stretch is good for the kites, especially in late afternoon.

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Key Biscayne, FL

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Date: 7/27/14 4:56 am
From: Ken Tracey <kftracey...>
Subject: [BRDBRAIN] Female Barn Swallow, West Pasco
For the second year in a row and maybe longer one pair of Barn Swallows have nested under a bridge in Oyster Bayou, New Port Richey. My photo of the female shows the almost white chest as depicted in Sibley.

Ken Tracey
New Port Richey, FL


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Date: 7/27/14 4:37 am
From: steve siegel <ss4birds...>
Subject: [BRDBRAIN] Swallow-tailed Kites south
If you want to see a kite "semispectacular" but don't want to drive north to Wildwood or Ormond Beach, try this. In Collier County on CR 858 (Oil Well Rd) 3.7 miles west of US29 is a weedy field with a dozen or so birds hawking huge caterpillars from the weeds. The land is posted no trespassing, but you can see from the road (there is a berm).A scope will be useful.

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Date: 7/26/14 8:54 pm
From: Steve Petruniak <raeliancaver...>
Subject: [BRDBRAIN] Swallow-Tailed Kite - Elanoides forficatus- Gaviao-Tesoura! Swallow-Tailed Kite-Land Fields Are Forever ! ! !‏‏
Hello Everyone !

Today (Saturday) when we got over to the Swallow-Tailed Kite Melon Fields at
around 8 to 8:30 AM in Wildwood,FL the Swallow-Tailed Kites there were starting
to fly in numbering from 1 to well over 351 Plus-Plus Swallow-tailed Kites ! ,
which were all Flying around and Hunting Both High And Low !

Believe it or not the insects that all of the Swallow-Tailed Kites are eating when
they are diving down low to the ground and snagging are the stinkbugs off of
the legumes ! Incredible ! WOW !

Check out these Cool Pics that my new friend from Brazil - Cleber Ferreira took
!
https://www.facebook.com/cleber.ferreira.1257/posts/821435671224653

Then Play this Cool song to go along with the pics ! You'll Just Love It !

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6VaeFCxta8

They are really really Awesome !


Steve Petruniak

Daytona Beach,FL

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Date: 7/26/14 8:22 pm
From: Steve Petruniak <raeliancaver...>
Subject: [BRDBRAIN] Swallow-Tailed Kite - Elanoides forficatus- Gaviao-Tesoura! Swallow-Tailed Kite-Land Fields Forever ! ! !‏
Hello Everyone !

Today when we got to the Swallow-Tailed Kite Melon Fields at 8 to 8:30 AM in
Wildwood The Swallow-Tailed Kites there were starting to fly in numbering from
1 to well over 351 Plus-Plus Swallow-tailed Kites ! which were Flying and
Hunting Both High And Low !

Check out these Cool Pics that my new friend from Brazil - Cleber Ferreira took
!
https://www.facebook.com/cleber.ferreira.1257/posts/821435671224653

Then Play this Cool song to go along with the pics ! You'll Just Love It !

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6VaeFCxta8

They are really, really Awesome !


The Swallow-Tailed Kite fields are located on route 466. You can get there by
going on the turnpike to the Wildwood exit, to route 301. Go north to route
466, turn left and go about 2 1/2 miles down 466. The site is on route 466, 2.5
miles west of 301.



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Daytona Beach

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Date: 7/26/14 5:36 pm
From: Robert Stalnaker <robert.wildlife...>
Subject: Re: [BRDBRAIN] True marks versus guides with M-F-Juv Barn Swallow (26 Jul 2014)


Cameron,

Hi, and thx for the info.

Re, "I disagree with your analysis ..."

It isn't my analysis (I am not an expert on swallows), it is my reporting of what other experts have stated applied to my image. Like you said, some "experts", like those that wrote the account for BNA Online, may not have it all right. I described the photo (and tried to educate others) according to what knowledge I could gather from "experts" (be they right or wrong). I wish I truly had enough knowledge to "analyze" an image and state facts--I don't for swallows. I must rely on the "experts".

Here is what is alarming:

"As a consequence of both its wide distribution and its nesting on accessible artificial structures near people, the Barn Swallow has been studied extensively throughout the world and especially in Europe. More papers have been published on this species than on any other swallow, and it is one of the most thoroughly studied birds in the world." [citation same as previous email]

Imagine that, one of the most studied birds in history, yet we can't take two "experts" account of the species,including their sources from the works of others, and take their account at face value.

A question would be about the swallow on the right--you ID'd it as a female. The wings extend beyond the tail streamers. Is it "normal" for the wings to extend beyond the female's streamers?

The size of the swallow on the right isnoticeably smaller than the other two swallows. From the tables of measurements, the female is ("supposed to be") larger than the male, not smaller. The streamers are smaller on the female versus the male, but total weight is larger. If these "facts" from the tables of measurementsare not correct, well then that makes it pretty darn hard to learn details when what you take for facts are not right. Is it wrong, Cameron, to state that the female is larger as their tables of measurements show? If it is not wrong, any reason why this female is noticeably smaller than the two males?

Multiple sources indicated underbody color as going dark, lighter, and even more pale for male, female then juvenile. We all know about variations, but I assumed that multiple sources would havethe color used for average underbody representationright and so Sibley illustrating them wrong.

Bob Stalnaker
Longwood, FL


On Saturday, July 26, 2014 7:04 PM, Cameron Cox <kumlieni...> wrote:



Robert,

I disagree with your analysis of the three swallows in your photo. The two birds on the left are both adult males while the bird on the right is an adult female. Aging and sexing can be accomplished by throat color, juvenile birds never have such a dark, clean looking rufous throat, amount of white in the base of the tail, the length of the fork in the tail, and particularly by the shape of the outermost tail feather (broader and blunter in juveniles, longer and distinctly thinner in adult females, longer still and even thinner in adult males. Additionally juveniles in the fall up through November still show at least a hint of yellow around the corner of the mouth (gape) and their feathers have a duller, somewhat looser appearance than the adults.

The color of the underpart is quite variable in Barn Swallows, by age and sex as well as individually, and at this time of year I'm guessing wear and fading begins to affect the adults who have traveled from southern South America and then spent the summer foraging in the sun on the feathers they current wear. For this reason it is best to rely on several features in addition to the color of the underparts for judging age and sex.

As a kid we had Barn Swallows nest under our front porch and I spent tons of time watching them. Often underparts of the juveniles from the same brood where not all the same color and some of the brightest were more orange below than the adult female. Adult females are the most variable in my opinion, from distinctly washed with orange below to extremely pale buff, almost appearing white in the field, like what Sibley illustrates as the adult female. This is based on observations of know pairs at breeding sites where there is no ambiguity about the age and sex of the bird. The whitish extreme adult female is not rare, I've seen thousands over the years, but adult females are more frequently darker than what Sibley shows. Adult males are also variable in the intensity of the orange below and you photo nicely illustrates two birds that fall near the bright and dull extremes.

If you want to see the variation as show in a photo guide the Crossley Guide to birds shows birds that are very like what Sibley illustrates. Overall I would not say Sibley is wrong, just that his illustrations do not paint the full picture of variation in Barn Swallow. It is almost impossible to show the full variation of any bird in a field guide, so you use it as a base and fill in the complete picture with your own knowledge and other resources. Whenever the details of age/sexing or details of plumage are in question the Pyle Identification of North American Birds part I and II guides are the resources to turn to. The quality of the BNA's accounts varies tremendously. I'm not sure how good the Barn Swallow account is, but the molt info for all species is almost universally poor and the info on plumages often is as well.

Best,

Cameron Cox
Tampa, FL
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Date: 7/26/14 4:04 pm
From: Cameron Cox <kumlieni...>
Subject: Re: [BRDBRAIN] True marks versus guides with M-F-Juv Barn Swallow (26 Jul 2014)
Robert,

I disagree with your analysis of the three swallows in your photo. The two
birds on the left are both adult males while the bird on the right is an
adult female. Aging and sexing can be accomplished by throat color,
juvenile birds never have such a dark, clean looking rufous throat, amount
of white in the base of the tail, the length of the fork in the tail, and
particularly by the shape of the outermost tail feather (broader and
blunter in juveniles, longer and distinctly thinner in adult females,
longer still and even thinner in adult males. Additionally juveniles in the
fall up through November still show at least a hint of yellow around the
corner of the mouth (gape) and their feathers have a duller, somewhat
looser appearance than the adults.

The color of the underpart is quite variable in Barn Swallows, by age and
sex as well as individually, and at this time of year I'm guessing wear and
fading begins to affect the adults who have traveled from southern South
America and then spent the summer foraging in the sun on the feathers they
current wear. For this reason it is best to rely on several features in
addition to the color of the underparts for judging age and sex.

As a kid we had Barn Swallows nest under our front porch and I spent tons
of time watching them. Often underparts of the juveniles from the same
brood where not all the same color and some of the brightest were more
orange below than the adult female. Adult females are the most variable in
my opinion, from distinctly washed with orange below to extremely pale
buff, almost appearing white in the field, like what Sibley illustrates as
the adult female. This is based on observations of know pairs at breeding
sites where there is no ambiguity about the age and sex of the bird. The
whitish extreme adult female is not rare, I've seen thousands over the
years, but adult females are more frequently darker than what Sibley shows.
Adult males are also variable in the intensity of the orange below and you
photo nicely illustrates two birds that fall near the bright and dull
extremes.

If you want to see the variation as show in a photo guide the Crossley
Guide to birds shows birds that are very like what Sibley illustrates.
Overall I would not say Sibley is wrong, just that his illustrations do not
paint the full picture of variation in Barn Swallow. It is almost
impossible to show the full variation of any bird in a field guide, so you
use it as a base and fill in the complete picture with your own knowledge
and other resources. Whenever the details of age/sexing or details of
plumage are in question the Pyle Identification of North American Birds
part I and II guides are the resources to turn to. The quality of the BNA's
accounts varies tremendously. I'm not sure how good the Barn Swallow
account is, but the molt info for all species is almost universally poor
and the info on plumages often is as well.

Best,

Cameron Cox
Tampa, FL

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Date: 7/26/14 4:01 pm
From: Evelyn Mason <evelynmason2...>
Subject: Re: [BRDBRAIN] Need Duck ID
The consensus of the group identified them as domestic mallards....
Or as one member likes to refer to them as "McMallards or Franken-Ducks".

Thanks to everyone for your help,

Evelyn Mason
Orlando, Fl


On Sat, Jul 26, 2014 at 11:48 AM, Renne Leatto <renne...> wrote:

> Evelyn,
>
>
>
> David’s guess was exactly right. Your new duck neighbors are 100%
> domestic, the Khaki Campbell breed most likely mixed with Pekin. The mix
> makes it hard to tell their gender but if they are a mated pair and find a
> secure nest site, you will get lots more! Khaki Campbell are bred
> specifically for higher-than-average egg production.
>
>
>
> Renee Leato
>
> Former Champion Domestic Duck Breeder
>
> Windermere, Orange County
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Evelyn Mason [mailto:<evelynmason2...>]
> *Sent:* Saturday, July 26, 2014 9:56 AM
> *Subject:* Need Duck ID
>
>
>
> Hello All,
>
>
>
> There are two new ducks visiting our lake and I can't figure out what type
> of duck they are?
>
> Any help would be appreciated.
>
>
>
> Thank-you,
>
>
>
> Evelyn Mason
>
> Orlando, Florida
>
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Date: 7/26/14 12:46 pm
From: Robert Stalnaker <robert.wildlife...>
Subject: Re: [BRDBRAIN] True marks versus guides with M-F-Juv Barn Swallow (26 Jul 2014)


Greetings,

Hi Andy,

Re "saturated" ... My images are not messed with. I crop to magnify but I don't mess with color. I have taken a number of photos of Barn Swallows (BARS)of each age and sex and I stand by what I said.

My opinion is Sibley did a bad job in the color rendition of BARS. You are correct that Sibley has some errors and other birdersin the last few years have noted some.

Sibley'spage 290 (1st edition) rendition of the underside of a juvenile and an adult femaleis just flat out wrong (reversed, really). Also, the male color Sibley showed really looks like a female color. Generally, the male is a more chestnut, the female more lighter orange and the juvenile almost whitish from my knowledge and research.

Re your, "Your adult male photo looks super saturated, photographic effect or dark variant?"

I'll keep looking for exceptions, but it seems that all the males are indeed darker than all the females. When they are perched next to or near each other, you can sex it by not only color butalso bysize, the female being larger.

BNA Online states the following about the female color on the underbody:

"underparts on average paler." *

I enjoy studying details of birds, and I particularly like educating newer birders. You are an expert, Andy, and you and a number of other listserv members with your expertise may not gain much from my posts like this. Many who read my posts will note that I try to teach more than anything, directing my notes to newer birders and whenever I get a chance, noting that field guides have serious limitations. Every birder who graduates to the "serious birder" will eventually have dedicated books to certain families and other more detailed info, and I encourage newer birders to go this route. Until then, I always hope I stimulate thinking.

If just a few listserv birders saw the photo, then looked at their Sibley's, and if this caused them to compare, .... and if they then feel they know the Barn Swallow age and sex differences just a bit better, then I accomplished what I set out to do.

Bob Stalnaker
Longwood, FL

Brown, Charles R. and Mary Bomberger Brown. 1999. Barn Swallow (Hirundo rustica), The Birds of North America Online (A. Poole, Ed.). Ithaca: Cornell Lab of Ornithology; Retrieved from the Birds of North America Online: http://bna.birds.cornell.edu/bna/species/452


On Saturday, July 26, 2014 12:26 PM, Andy Kratter <kratter...> wrote:



Robert
you state that your identifications of male,female, and immature are "true"; do
you have any way to back up your determinations? Sibley and most other field
guide illustrators work extensively from museum collections, where sex and age
can be determined from dissections, which are written on the tags, and
plumage criteria (a la Pyle). The first and 2nd edition Sibley has a perched adult
female (missing in Eastern guide) that is darker below than the flying bird, and
is in between the pale fronted young bird and the adult male. Your adult male
photo looks super saturated, photographic effect or dark variant? I don't think
that one bird is representative of adult males, I think Sibley gives a standard
bird (and the species is found throughout North America so some geographic
variation is probable). Sure, there are mistakes in Sibley and other illustrated
guides, but to me a well done illustrated guide does a far superior job for
identifying birds than a photographic guide.

My two cents
Andy Kratter
Gainesville, FL

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Date: 7/26/14 9:26 am
From: Andy Kratter <kratter...>
Subject: Re: [BRDBRAIN] True marks versus guides with M-F-Juv Barn Swallow (26 Jul 2014)
Robert
you state that your identifications of male,female, and immature are "true"; do
you have any way to back up your determinations? Sibley and most other field
guide illustrators work extensively from museum collections, where sex and age
can be determined from dissections, which are written on the tags, and
plumage criteria (a la Pyle). The first and 2nd edition Sibley has a perched adult
female (missing in Eastern guide) that is darker below than the flying bird, and
is in between the pale fronted young bird and the adult male. Your adult male
photo looks super saturated, photographic effect or dark variant? I don't think
that one bird is representative of adult males, I think Sibley gives a standard
bird (and the species is found throughout North America so some geographic
variation is probable). Sure, there are mistakes in Sibley and other illustrated
guides, but to me a well done illustrated guide does a far superior job for
identifying birds than a photographic guide.

My two cents
Andy Kratter
Gainesville, FL

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Date: 7/26/14 8:48 am
From: Renne Leatto <renne...>
Subject: Re: [BRDBRAIN] Need Duck ID
Evelyn,



David’s guess was exactly right. Your new duck neighbors are 100% domestic, the Khaki Campbell breed most likely mixed with Pekin. The mix makes it hard to tell their gender but if they are a mated pair and find a secure nest site, you will get lots more! Khaki Campbell are bred specifically for higher-than-average egg production.



Renee Leato

Former Champion Domestic Duck Breeder

Windermere, Orange County











From: Evelyn Mason [mailto:<evelynmason2...>]
Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2014 9:56 AM
Subject: Need Duck ID



Hello All,



There are two new ducks visiting our lake and I can't figure out what type of duck they are?

Any help would be appreciated.



Thank-you,



Evelyn Mason

Orlando, Florida

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Date: 7/26/14 7:46 am
From: David Simpson <simpsondavid...>
Subject: Re: [BRDBRAIN] Need Duck ID
Hi all,

Overall body and bill shape look like Mallard. I think these are probably some sort of odd domestic breed of Mallard or perhaps a mix of two or more breeds.

David Simpson
Fellsmere, FL

On Jul 26, 2014, at 09:56 AM, Evelyn Mason <evelynmason2...> wrote:

Hello All,

There are two new ducks visiting our lake and I can't figure out what type of duck they are?
Any help would be appreciated.

Thank-you,

Evelyn Mason
Orlando, Florida
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Date: 7/26/14 7:41 am
From: Mary Rusch <Lorelielee...>
Subject: Re: [BRDBRAIN] Need Duck ID
Would love to know if you find out. Looks kinda like a pintail. But I am no expert ...

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Date: 7/26/14 6:56 am
From: Evelyn Mason <evelynmason2...>
Subject: [BRDBRAIN] Need Duck ID
Hello All,

There are two new ducks visiting our lake and I can't figure out what type
of duck they are?
Any help would be appreciated.

Thank-you,

Evelyn Mason
Orlando, Florida

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Date: 7/25/14 10:23 pm
From: Robert Stalnaker <robert.wildlife...>
Subject: [BRDBRAIN] True marks versus guides with M-F-Juv Barn Swallow (26 Jul 2014)
Hello,

The linked photo below is interesting, showing a male, female and juvenile Barn Swallow (BARS), perched together,that I believe are true representations of the "norm" and quite different from a couple guide books.

There are clear differences to the illustrations in two field guides versus the actual colors. There always was a difference of opinion between images and illustrations in guide books. Sibley loyalists say drawings are better since images are highly variable due to lighting conditions and other elements. That makes sense but only if the illustrations are correct.

In defense of field guides, they are not meant to be detailed like, e.g.,a book dedicated to one family. Still, Sibley's BARS entry is poorly done.

Here is my text from my Flickr education site:

Nat Geo sixth edition does not illustrate male/female differences. It shows the juvenile with an orange throat and forehead versus the chestnut color of the adult. In this image, the juvenile has a chestnut color to the throat and forehead like the adult.

The Sibley Field Guide for Eastern NA does a poor job in its illustrations, showing the female with the underbody whitish like a juvenile and showing the juvenile orange like a female so Sibley has it wrong on both ends. Also, the male is shown with an orange body like a female, not the bolder chestnut color of the male so make that all three are illustrated incorrectly.

I also have an image of a juv BARS with a spotty white throat and forehead and another one showing a dark center vertical streak extending from the throat to the upper belly while lacking the normal horizontal breast-band. If anybody wants to see those, they can email me. This points out another limitation of field guides--anomalies and species that can be variable, such as a Song Sparrow.

Image:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/idneeded/14559893097/


Bob Stalnaker
Longwood, FL

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Date: 7/25/14 5:53 pm
From: Ron Smith <rsmithbirds...>
Subject: [BRDBRAIN] Red-necked Stint, NO (Monroe County, 25 Jul 2014)
Good evening,

I know of at least two birders who spent the day at Boca Chica Beach today,
getting nice sun tans, but never seeing the Red-necked Stint. They stayed
until dark.

Ron Smith
St. Pete, FL
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Date: 7/25/14 4:02 pm
From: Bev Hansen <bevalhansen...>
Subject: Re: [BRDBRAIN] Swallow-Tail Kites
Hernando County Burrowing Owls: On the north side of Power Line Road,
which is where Kettering ends to the south, drive 0.5 mile west and look
in the pasture that has the lone oak tree. Sometimes an owl is sitting
on a fence post or on the ground. A spotting scope is usually required
to get a good look.

Bev Hansen
Spring Hill, FL
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On 7/25/2014 3:18 PM, Sharron Shields wrote:
> The fields on Kettering Rd. have been plowed. I stopped by on two occasions and saw no kites.
> I would like to know where the burrowing owls are.
>
> Sharron Shields
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 25, 2014, at 8:58 AM, Renne Leatto <renne...> wrote:
>
>> There's an area near Highway 50 near the intersection with I-75 that is the
>> best in the state some years. No watermelon fields ... because it's the
>> fields, not melons drawing the kites. To be precise, it's the huge flying
>> grasshoppers called Carolina Locust that frequent melon, hay, and just plain
>> old grass fields this time of year that the kites want.
>>
>> On a roadmap, you will see a road called Kettering running south off of Hwy
>> 50 just east of I-75. It runs south to Powerline Road, which runs west to
>> Lockhart Road. That rectangle contains hundreds of STKI at times, and has
>> seen Mississippi Kites, too. There's a field on Powerline Road where
>> burrowing owls regularly nest and we've seen the southeastern subspecies of
>> American Kestrels every time we've gone there.
>>
>> Renee Leato
>> Windermere, Orange County
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Jack Stephens [mailto:<jackthule...>]
>> Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 7:17 PM
>> Subject: Swallow-Tail Kites
>>
>> We were down at the watermelon fields in Sumter county where we were
>> delighted to see hundreds of kites. Does anyone know where other gathering
>> places for swallow-tail kites might be found? What about the Immokalee area
>> where many watermelon fields are located?
>> Jack Stephens
>>
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Date: 7/25/14 3:35 pm
From: Cheryl Lachance <ernurse50...>
Subject: [BRDBRAIN] Red-necked Stint
Seen Thurs. evening, 7/24/2014 at 5 P.M.. at the end of the road, that is the walking road not the area where you park the cars. I was with Robert Epstein and Karen Leow. A beautiful bird and well worth the long trip down. A lifer for me.
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Date: 7/25/14 1:19 pm
From: Renne Leatto <renne...>
Subject: Re: [BRDBRAIN] Swallow-Tail Kites
The plowing doesn't stop the kites from coming. Sometimes just the
opposite. But you can be there and see hundreds, then come back an hour
later and see none. That has happened to us there several times, so you
never know.


The owls we know of are in a field on the north side of Powerline Road, The
field is near the top of the hill about half way between Kettering and
Lockhart. We've been there this summer, both before and after that field
was recently plowed and saw two owls in the same place both times ... on
fence posts, on the right side of the field (while facing it). The owls
are sometimes a bit closer than the center posts, but crows sometimes bother
them there so they sit on farther posts. In the latter case, you need a
scope to see them well.


Renee Leato
Windermere, Orange County




-----Original Message-----
From: Sharron Shields [mailto:<golfsharro...>]
Sent: Friday, July 25, 2014 3:19 PM
To: Renne Leatto
Cc: <BRDBRAIN...>
Subject: Re: [BRDBRAIN] Swallow-Tail Kites

The fields on Kettering Rd. have been plowed. I stopped by on two
occasions and saw no kites.
I would like to know where the burrowing owls are.

Sharron Shields

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 25, 2014, at 8:58 AM, Renne Leatto <renne...> wrote:

> There's an area near Highway 50 near the intersection with I-75 that is
the
> best in the state some years. No watermelon fields ... because it's the
> fields, not melons drawing the kites. To be precise, it's the huge
> flying grasshoppers called Carolina Locust that frequent melon, hay,
> and just plain old grass fields this time of year that the kites want.
>
> On a roadmap, you will see a road called Kettering running south off
> of Hwy
> 50 just east of I-75. It runs south to Powerline Road, which runs
> west to Lockhart Road. That rectangle contains hundreds of STKI at
> times, and has seen Mississippi Kites, too. There's a field on
> Powerline Road where burrowing owls regularly nest and we've seen the
> southeastern subspecies of American Kestrels every time we've gone there.
>
> Renee Leato
> Windermere, Orange County
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jack Stephens [mailto:<jackthule...>]
> Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 7:17 PM
> Subject: Swallow-Tail Kites
>
> We were down at the watermelon fields in Sumter county where we were
> delighted to see hundreds of kites. Does anyone know where other
> gathering places for swallow-tail kites might be found? What about the
> Immokalee area where many watermelon fields are located?
> Jack Stephens
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Date: 7/25/14 12:28 pm
From: Sharron Shields <golfsharro...>
Subject: Re: [BRDBRAIN] Swallow-Tail Kites
The fields on Kettering Rd. have been plowed. I stopped by on two occasions and saw no kites.
I would like to know where the burrowing owls are.

Sharron Shields

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 25, 2014, at 8:58 AM, Renne Leatto <renne...> wrote:

> There's an area near Highway 50 near the intersection with I-75 that is the
> best in the state some years. No watermelon fields ... because it's the
> fields, not melons drawing the kites. To be precise, it's the huge flying
> grasshoppers called Carolina Locust that frequent melon, hay, and just plain
> old grass fields this time of year that the kites want.
>
> On a roadmap, you will see a road called Kettering running south off of Hwy
> 50 just east of I-75. It runs south to Powerline Road, which runs west to
> Lockhart Road. That rectangle contains hundreds of STKI at times, and has
> seen Mississippi Kites, too. There's a field on Powerline Road where
> burrowing owls regularly nest and we've seen the southeastern subspecies of
> American Kestrels every time we've gone there.
>
> Renee Leato
> Windermere, Orange County
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jack Stephens [mailto:<jackthule...>]
> Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 7:17 PM
> Subject: Swallow-Tail Kites
>
> We were down at the watermelon fields in Sumter county where we were
> delighted to see hundreds of kites. Does anyone know where other gathering
> places for swallow-tail kites might be found? What about the Immokalee area
> where many watermelon fields are located?
> Jack Stephens
>
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Date: 7/25/14 12:22 pm
From: Alice Horst <ahorst...>
Subject: [BRDBRAIN] 2 fields of Swallow-tailed/Mississippi Kites -Sumter County
I checked the melon field on 466 today. STKIs were still there in huge
numbers at 10:45am. I saw 1 MIKI.
To repeat those directions: from 301/466 (Oxford) drive 2.3 miles west on
466. You will see the birds flying over the road. The farmer is allowing people
to WALK up the dirt driveway (MEARS is on the gate) to see the birds with a
360 degree view. IMPRESSIVE!

I also took a look at the 2nd melon field that I reported recently: from
301/466 - drive .9 miles to cr209. Turn left, or south on 209 for 1.7 miles.
Turn left, or east, on cr223 (there is NO sign at this intersection), you will see
the birds from 209 to your left. The field is just past SMITH's FARRIER
driveway on 223, I saw 2 MIKIs.

I was told by the owner's daughter, today, that people are allowed into his
melon field to photograph the birds. There was an open gate to WALK into the
field beyond the field on your left.
I believe there is another gate but this one was open today. I did not go down
the driveway at Smith's Farrier. I have not gotten permission to walk/drive
down the driveway.
Please be aware that these fields are PRIVATE PROPERTY.

The field off of 209 is about 3-4 miles from the field on 466 ( as the Kites fly).
I have seen Mississippi Kites over both fields, but only a few, usually flying
higher than the STKIs.
Alice Horst
The Villages
Marion County

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Date: 7/25/14 10:42 am
From: Ken Tracey <kftracey...>
Subject: [BRDBRAIN] Breeding Marsh Wrens, Southern Limit, Eagle Point Park, west Pasco
Every time I stop along Strauber Hwy along Eagle Point Park I hear singing Marian's Marsh Wrens. Yesterday as I located a singing wren 3 other wrens
flew in, 2 were immature with another adult. The singing one went into a
display posture that I have photo'd before. With it's tail over top of
it's head! See two attached photos. One from 7/24/14 the other 10/19/08 at the W-BSSSP state park.
I have confirmed with Bill Pranty that is the southern limit for breeding Marian's Marsh Wren. I
assume they could be found all over the 300 acres of marsh at Eagle
Point, even though the mangrove intrusion is bad there. The Pasco
Marian's I have photo'd seem to be very dark gray with a little brown,
most like the Worthington pictured in Sibley, not like some of the photos or descriptions I have seen that show more orange or reddish brown plumage similar to the nominate eastern palustris.

Ken Tracey
New Port Richey, FL

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Date: 7/25/14 9:28 am
From: Janet Leavens <janet.leavens1...>
Subject: Re: [BRDBRAIN] Mystery bird: ID help, please!
Thanks all!

The unanimous response (5 out of 5) is that the bird is a slightly strange
looking Summer Tanager and almost certainly not a Western Tanager. The only
other possibilty would be Hepatic Tanager, but that would be ever rarer
(and the bill isn't right for this). Someone mentioned the possibility that
it was a western subspecies of the SUTA and, sure enough, it seems to be a
really good match for Piranga rubra cooperi (which is indeed the western
subspecies, not the P.r. rubra typically found in the East).

Here's some more info culled from Birds of North America (on-line edition)
about this subspecies.

From the "Introduction:" "Three subspecies [of Summer Tanager] are
currently recognized, with 2 widespread that differ genetically: *P. r.
cooperi*, which breeds in the Southwest from California to west Texas and
northern Mexico, and *P. r. rubra*, which occupies much of the remainder of
the range to the east."

And from the "Systematics" article: "*P. r. cooperi* (Audubon, 1837).
Breeds from s. California east (except in nw. Arizona) to w. Texas and
south to n.-central Mexico [type locality = Los Piños, New Mexico]; winters
in s. Baja California peninsula and in w. Mexico from Sinaloa south to
Oaxaca. Similar to *P. r. rubra* but the bill is very heavy and deep (see
illustrations in Ridgway 1869); body size large, on average at least (male
wing > 96 mm, tail > 75 mm; Rea 1970); wing more rounded (Eisenmann 1969);
adult male paler red overall; adult female yellow ventrally and grayish
yellow dorsally; juvenile largely yellow."

This bird has a larger than average bill for a SUTA (as someone mentioned).
It's plumage is also much duller than average (as most mentioned). This
jives with the above description. The bird is well north of its described
breeding range, but eBird shows confirmed reports of the SUTA all the way
up into Western Canada, so it's certainly not unheard of.


Well, there you go!

Thanks again and ...

Happy Birding!

Janet Leavens
Oviedo, FL


On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 9:16 PM, Janet Leavens <janet.leavens1...>
wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Gary and I just got back from a trip to Utah -- Salt Lake City and the
> Wasatch Mountains. Birding wasn't the primary objective of the work-related
> trip, but we did squeeze in as much as possible (in spite of the heat!),
> seeing and/or hearing 103 species, including lifers: Eared Grebe, Wilson's
> Phalarope (100s of them, actually), Golden Eagle, Swainson's Hawk,
> Townsend's Solitaire, Sage Thrasher, Fox Sparrow, Lark Sparrow, Bullock's
> Oriole, Pine Grosbeak.
>
> We also found a bird which we believe might be a Summer Tanager. This
> species is considered rare in the SLC area, where the expected Tanager is
> the Western. Truth be told, this bird doesn't look completely right for
> Summer Tanager. The colors seem a little too washed out. But to our eyes,
> it looks even less like a Western Tanager. The bill is too large and it
> lacks distinct wing-bars, among other things.
>
> We sent a bunch of photos to the local eBird reviewer (haven't heard back
> yet). But, I'm curious as to what BRDBRAINERs think. After all, both Summer
> and Western Tanagers do occur in Florida! So, if you have the time and
> inclination, please take a look at the photos at the link below and let me
> know what you think
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/gary_leavens/sets/72157645894820971/
>
> Thanks and ...
>
> Happy Birding!
>
> Janet Leavens
> Oviedo, FL
>

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Date: 7/25/14 8:28 am
From: Peg Urban <pegpixfl...>
Subject: [BRDBRAIN] Florida Rare Bird Registry
FYI-see link below for a great way to report rare birds.

Peg Urban
Leesburg, Florida



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Date: 7/25/14 7:25 am
From: Ron Smith <rsmithbirds...>
Subject: [BRDBRAIN] Red-necked Stint, NO thus far (Monroe County, 25 Jul 2014)
Good morning,

I just heard from Robt. Epstein and he advised the stint was not re-located
this morning - as of 10 AM. There are a couple of other birders present
and some will be hanging out the rest of the day. Robert isn't.

He said further that this morning the tide is high and there is approx.
ten-feet less beach exposed than there was yesterday afternoon. A few
Least Sandpipers are present, but no one has seen the target bird (yet).

Ron Smith
St. Pete, FL
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Date: 7/25/14 5:59 am
From: Renne Leatto <renne...>
Subject: Re: [BRDBRAIN] Swallow-Tail Kites
There's an area near Highway 50 near the intersection with I-75 that is the
best in the state some years. No watermelon fields ... because it's the
fields, not melons drawing the kites. To be precise, it's the huge flying
grasshoppers called Carolina Locust that frequent melon, hay, and just plain
old grass fields this time of year that the kites want.

On a roadmap, you will see a road called Kettering running south off of Hwy
50 just east of I-75. It runs south to Powerline Road, which runs west to
Lockhart Road. That rectangle contains hundreds of STKI at times, and has
seen Mississippi Kites, too. There's a field on Powerline Road where
burrowing owls regularly nest and we've seen the southeastern subspecies of
American Kestrels every time we've gone there.

Renee Leato
Windermere, Orange County




-----Original Message-----
From: Jack Stephens [mailto:<jackthule...>]
Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 7:17 PM
Subject: Swallow-Tail Kites

We were down at the watermelon fields in Sumter county where we were
delighted to see hundreds of kites. Does anyone know where other gathering
places for swallow-tail kites might be found? What about the Immokalee area
where many watermelon fields are located?
Jack Stephens

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Date: 7/24/14 10:44 pm
From: David Starrett <starrettda...>
Subject: [BRDBRAIN] RFI - NO SIGHTING
Birdbrainers,
I have the fortune to have to be in Ft Lauderdale next week for a professional meeting. My wife and I are going down a few days early. We want to spend some time trying to fill a few holes in our Florida bird list.
We are wanting to see if we can find a few specific birds. Any info on good places to find the following would be most appreciated. I have looked on eBird and have some thoughts on likely places. We will be in Ft Lauderdale and would need places that are within a couple, maybe three at the most, hours away as these would be day forays.
Spot-breasted oriole - Vista Park beach pretty close to where we will be staying seems the best repeat sighting spot not in someone's backyard. Any tips on seeing the bird here?Bachmans Sparrow - Scattered sightings NW of Ft Lauderdale, though nothing in past 10 days so perhaps too late in the year?Florida scrub jay - Vero beach area seems the closest with multiple recent sightings.Black-whiskered Vireo - Carysfort Circle or nearby in (Dagny Johnson Key Largo Hammock Botanical State Park) looks like the closest site with recent repeat sightings.
Am I on the right track above? And places to maximize seeing any or all of these?
Much thanks,
Dave



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Cape Girardeau, MO

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Date: 7/24/14 6:16 pm
From: Janet Leavens <janet.leavens1...>
Subject: [BRDBRAIN] Mystery bird: ID help, please!
Hi all,

Gary and I just got back from a trip to Utah -- Salt Lake City and the
Wasatch Mountains. Birding wasn't the primary objective of the work-related
trip, but we did squeeze in as much as possible (in spite of the heat!),
seeing and/or hearing 103 species, including lifers: Eared Grebe, Wilson's
Phalarope (100s of them, actually), Golden Eagle, Swainson's Hawk,
Townsend's Solitaire, Sage Thrasher, Fox Sparrow, Lark Sparrow, Bullock's
Oriole, Pine Grosbeak.

We also found a bird which we believe might be a Summer Tanager. This
species is considered rare in the SLC area, where the expected Tanager is
the Western. Truth be told, this bird doesn't look completely right for
Summer Tanager. The colors seem a little too washed out. But to our eyes,
it looks even less like a Western Tanager. The bill is too large and it
lacks distinct wing-bars, among other things.

We sent a bunch of photos to the local eBird reviewer (haven't heard back
yet). But, I'm curious as to what BRDBRAINERs think. After all, both Summer
and Western Tanagers do occur in Florida! So, if you have the time and
inclination, please take a look at the photos at the link below and let me
know what you think

https://www.flickr.com/photos/gary_leavens/sets/72157645894820971/

Thanks and ...

Happy Birding!

Janet Leavens
Oviedo, FL

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Date: 7/24/14 6:14 pm
From: Joyce Stefancic <jws2735...>
Subject: Re: [BRDBRAIN] (Call It Absolutely Magic ! ) NOT ... but Lake Panasoffkee WMA was magical
Hello Birdbrains,
Renne is correct. I know for sure that Alice mentioned that the birds seem
to disperse about noon. About 10 AM seems to be best the 2 days we went.

We should ALL realize that birding is not an absolute...one day you may see
100s of birds, and the next none. That is one of the things that makes
birding so special...or we would just take seeing the birds for granted. Go
and look, maybe you'll find them...maybe not that day.
Good birding!
Joyce Stefancic

-----Original Message-----
From: Birdbrains - Florida Birds/Natural History
[mailto:<BRDBRAIN...>] On Behalf Of Renne Leatto
Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 10:13 AM
To: <BRDBRAIN...>
Subject: Re: [BRDBRAIN] (Call It Absolutely Magic ! ) NOT ... but Lake
Panasoffkee WMA was magical

I really wish people would have READ my entire post correctly instead of
sending so many responses which imply that I said the reports were false.

To quote myself again, " I'm not doubting that the kites have gathered on
466 in great numbers. I'm just saying that they don't necessarily stay that
way all day long. If you go specifically to see the great numbers, have a
backup plan, because they might be widely dispersed instead when you
arrive."


Renee Leato
Windermere, Orange County



-----Original Message-----
From: dschromm [mailto:<dschromm...>]
Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2014 8:22 PM
To: Renne Leatto
Subject: Re: [BRDBRAIN] (Call It Absolutely Magic ! ) NOT ... but Lake
Panasoffkee WMA was magical

I.have been to this.location. several times as I live not far away and the
earlier estimates of kites are correct. Reports have been In the AM. the
birds seem to disperse around 11 AM to other areas. You probably missed the
large numbers due to the time of visit. Donna Schromm. ..

Sent from my iPad

> On Jul 23, 2014, at 7:20 PM, Renne Leatto <renne...> wrote:
>
> I think some of these swallow-tailed kite reports on 466 are
> overblowing expectations a bit.
>
> When we got there on Sunday, the kites were WIDELY dispersed all
> around the area. We stayed near the melon fields on 466 for a while
> but never saw more than 10 kites at one time, most of them FAR off in
> the distance. The one or two that came nearby moved on quickly to
> fields across the street or to other fields.
>
> In fact, you could drive down just about ANY road off 466 and find as
> many or more kites than were ever present at that particular melon
> field
on 466.
> (There are more melon fields all over the area.) All of those other
> places had much safer viewing than the side of the road on 466, where
> huge trucks and SUVs towing boats constantly speed by, clearly well
> over the speed limit.
>
> It was too hot to just stand there all day waiting for kites to
> drizzle
by.
> So we decided to go to a Great Florida Birding Trail location off SR
> 44 to the west, which is reliable for red-headed woodpeckers,
> sometimes by the dozen -- the Lake Panasoffkee Wildlife Management Area.
>
> It was 97 degrees in the shade when we got there -- not great weather
> for bird activity. But we saw/heard some fun species and one real
> find
...
>
> - 3 red-headed woodpeckers (our highest number at this location was
> 22, once when we got there right after a thunderstorm)
>
> - Male bobwhites calling from just about every direction
>

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Date: 7/24/14 4:17 pm
From: Jack Stephens <jackthule...>
Subject: [BRDBRAIN] Swallow-Tail Kites
We were down at the watermelon fields in Sumter county where we were
delighted to see hundreds of kites. Does anyone know where other gathering
places for swallow-tail kites might be found? What about the Immokalee area
where many watermelon fields are located?
Jack Stephens

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Date: 7/24/14 2:53 pm
From: Ron Smith <rsmithbirds...>
Subject: [BRDBRAIN] Red-necked Stint (Monroe County, 24 Jul 2014)
Good afternoon,

Nine days! Robert Epstein just called and reported he had just
photographed the stint at the far end of the trail, well past the "cross".
Robert was not there all day and said he had spoken to some people a bit
earlier who said they hadn't seen it there in the morning,

Robert is going to spend the night and will look for it again in the AM and
let me know. I will post his findings.

Ron Smith
St. Pete, FL

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Date: 7/24/14 9:22 am
From: Alice Horst <ahorst...>
Subject: [BRDBRAIN] Swallow-tailed and Mississippi Kites Sumter County
From 9:30am until 11:00am today I watched the STKI "event" on cr 466. There
were a couple of MIKIs in the hundreds of Swallow-tails.

I left and drove EAST (toward 301) on cr 466, turned right, or SOUTH, on
cr 209, drove 1.7 miles, turned LEFT on NO NAME road. There is another melon
field on the left with dozens of STKIs and we saw at least 6 MIKIs over that
melon field. Park on side of road. There is no way to walk into the fields, so you
can not get as close as the cr466 birds.
This melon field is only 3-4 miles from the original field. There are Kites flying
over both at the same time.

If you are driving to 466 from 75 or the Turnpike, the area is OXFORD for a GPS.
You do not need to drive north to Ocala to come south to 466 and 301.

The main melon field is on 466 , 2.3 miles west of RT 301 (OXFORD).

Have fun, STKIs are EVERYWHERE, for the time being!
Alice Horst
The villages, Marion County

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Date: 7/24/14 8:03 am
From: Renne Leatto <renne...>
Subject: [BRDBRAIN] NO MORE HATE MAIL, PLEASE
In my report about lowering expectations for the STKI gatherings, I included
information *I* would want to know .. About safety, traffic, heat, and the
fact that the kites tend to disperse in the afternoon (something none of the
hyperbolic reports bothered to mention).



I assumed that especially beginning birders might benefit from knowing they
might not see 100s of kites in that one place and might want to know other
places in the area they can check.



Now I am being privately bombarded with a large number of 'hate mails'
telling me to stay home if I can't stand the summer heat and other
ridiculous and immature responses to my posts.



They didn't even bother to get to my last paragraph -- where I say that I'm
not doubting the large numbers are there at times - before firing off their
silly vitriol at me.



No one is going to post on this listserv if they have to endure criticism
from people who never bother to read or understand their entire post but
just fire off juvenile insults based on a complete misread of the post.



If you don't like what I say, it's easy enough to skip my posts.





Renee Leato

Windermere, Orange County






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Date: 7/24/14 7:33 am
From: Robert Stalnaker <robert.wildlife...>
Subject: Re: [BRDBRAIN] (Call It Absolutely Magic ! ) NOT ... but Lake Panasoffkee WMA was magical


On my point:

"So far, I know of the following places were 100+ numbers have been seen:"

I should have qualified that to say "foraging areas", not known migration staging areas or roosting areas such as Lake Woodruff or Fisheating Creek.

Route 466 qualifies as that, being that 100+ were reported at this location that, as far as I know, never was reported previously as a feeding aggregation location for the kites, and is not a major roosting/staging area.  Again, if you know of any more locations like this, please let me or the listserv know.

Bob Stalnaker
Longwood, FL


On Thursday, July 24, 2014 9:57 AM, Renne Leatto <renne...> wrote:



Bob,
 
I think you missed my point.  If you read all of my post, then you saw the part that said,
 
“I'm not doubting that the kites have gathered on 466 in great numbers.  I'm just saying that they don't necessarily stay that way all day long.  If you go specifically to see the great numbers, have a backup plan, because they might be widely dispersed instead when you arrive.”

And I GAVE readers that backup plan, by informing them of all the side roads off of 466 where we saw the kites.  It IS overblowing expectations when readers might think (as it was phrased that way in other reports) that they might expect to see the multitude of kites all in that one location all day long.
 
My report merely added realism to the record.
 
Renee Leato
Windermere, Orange County
 


 
From:Robert Stalnaker [mailto:<robert.wildlife...>]
Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 12:59 AM
To: Renne Leatto; <BRDBRAIN...>
Subject: Re: [BRDBRAIN] (Call It Absolutely Magic ! ) NOT ... but Lake Panasoffkee WMA was magical
 
Hello,
 
Re, "I think some of these swallow-tailed kite reports on 466 are overblowing expectations a bit."
 
Swallow-tailed Kites (STKI) travel very long distances from their roost to feed in late June through July.  They could stumble upon a new foraging area on any given day enroute to a previous foraging area so they may not show up as "expected".  Also, they are known to sometimes not linger real long so 100+ could turn into a handful in short order. 
 
The reports were not "overblowing expectations".  They reported what they saw at the time they saw it.  There never is a guarantee it will replicate itself, especially with a species like STKI that travels such long distances to forage.  Most birders know that it is often a crapshoot to get the same results for any reported sighting.  The only "reliable" place I know of for large STKI numbers is Lake Apopka North Shore Restoration Area (LANSRA).
 
What is exciting is this Route 466 location is another "potential" location to see a large feeding aggregation of kites.
 
So far, I know of the following places were 100+ numbers have been seen:
 
-- Route 466 (Sumter County)
-- LANSRA 448A entrance (Lake County)
-- LANSRA seen from Jones Ave Basin Stormwater Park (Orange County)
-- Powerline Road (Pasco County).  
 
There likely are other "Route 466" surprises out there.  All it takes is some exploration to find them.
 
If anybody knows of any other location where 100+ STKI have been seen, please let us (me) know.  I would like to document known locations for feeding aggregations during the June-July pre-migration period. 
 
 
Bob Stalnaker
Longwood, FL
 
On Wednesday, July 23, 2014 7:21 PM, Renne Leatto <renne...> wrote:
 
I think some of these swallow-tailed kite reports on 466 are overblowing
expectations a bit. 

When we got there on Sunday, the kites were WIDELY dispersed all around the
area.  We stayed near the melon fields on 466 for a while but never saw more
than 10 kites at one time, most of them FAR off in the distance.  The one or
two that came nearby moved on quickly to fields across the street or to
other fields.

In fact, you could drive down just about ANY road off 466 and find as many
or more kites than were ever present at that particular melon field on 466.
(There are more melon fields all over the area.)  All of those other places
had much safer viewing than the side of the road on 466, where huge trucks
and SUVs towing boats constantly speed by, clearly well over the speed
limit.

It was too hot to just stand there all day waiting for kites to drizzle by.
So we decided to go to a Great Florida Birding Trail location off SR 44 to
the west, which is reliable for red-headed woodpeckers, sometimes by the
dozen -- the Lake Panasoffkee Wildlife Management Area.

It was 97 degrees in the shade when we got there -- not great weather for
bird activity.  But we saw/heard some fun species and one real find ...

- 3 red-headed woodpeckers (our highest number at this location was 22, once
when we got there right after a thunderstorm)

- Male bobwhites calling from just about every direction

- A pair of southeastern subspecies American Kestrals

- ONE MALE BLUE GROSBEAK in spectacular breeding plumage -- in the Florida
myrtles in the wetland areas off the road into the WMA.  You can stop on the
road and look in.  There was tremendous bird activity when we were there, a
flock of tufted titmice and others we did not ID, in addition to the blue
grosbeak

- 3 Swallow-tailed kites

To sum up: We've seen much bigger STKI gatherings near Powerline Road than
we saw on or near 466.  I'm not doubting that the kites have gathered on 466
in great numbers.  I'm just saying that they don't necessarily stay that way
all day long.  If you go specifically to see the great numbers, have a
backup plan, because they might be widely dispersed instead when you arrive.

Renee Leato
Windermere, Orange County




-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Petruniak [mailto:<raeliancaver...>]
Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2014 4:20 AM
Subject: (Call It Absolutely Magic ! ) Swallow-Tailed Kite-Land Fields
Forever ! Just a Flock Of Birds ! 300-400 Plus ! Route 466- Wildwood-
(Sumter County)‏

Just A Short Report !

The Gathering !

I just have to start and say that this past weekend just outside of Wildwood
in Sumter County was just pure Swallow-Tailed Kite Heaven ! I had been
following the various postings on this area and would like to Thank Very
Much- Alice Horst for initially posting on this amazing site ! I have to say
that in all the years that I have been following our Precious Swallow-Tailed
Kites I have never seen such a Wonderful and Beautiful Show of Pure Magic
and Graceful flying as was displayed and performed by these several hundreds
of Frenzy Feeding Swallow- Tailed Kites as they flew and fed over these
fields and all of the surrounding areas .

We spent part of Saturday afternoon and most of Sunday morning and afternoon
just transfixed and in sheer awe and amazement as The Swallow-Tailed Kites
came flying in from all over the surrounding areas and flying both high and
low and not only feeding from the skies but also a sight that I have never
seen before except when they are flying over the water drinking is that they
were actually flying way low to the ground and actually snatching the
various insects probably the grasshoppers and other insects along with the
millions of huge Dragonflies that were flying around everywhere ! Sometimes
there were just scores that could be seen flying low touching the plants
snatching some insects as they flew.

At one point on Sunday Morning from our vantage point along with 3 other
visiting  Lady Birders from Tampa and one from The Citrus Audubon Society,
watched in absolute jaw dropping amazement as we were literally surrounded
both high and low with hundreds of Swallow-Tailed Kites in every direction
that the eye could see 360 degrees all around both high and low to the
ground and even way beyond the fields there were Swallow-Tailed Kites flying
! And that description is not just an exaggeration to say the least !  You
just had to be there to see it ! It's just hard to put into words  just what
we were witnessing !
Several times the Swallow-Tailed Kite actually flew and buzzed right past
and over our heads ! One of the young ladies present from Tampa took out her
I- phone out and played the appropriately New "Coldplay" song simply  called
-O- Fly On :

Check Link : 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZX2KJKRViPA

as the Swallow-Tailed Kites performed their feeding frenzy ! Purely Magic !

There were lots of Swallow-Tailed Kite Juveniles flying along with the
adults vocalizing and even at some point I could actually hear the sounds of
swooshing and grabbing as the Swallow-Tailed Kites would come flying low to
the ground and were grabbing the various bugs and insects from the ground !

So I would highly recommend to anyone who  truly enjoys to see and follow
our Precious Swallow-Tailed Kites Please do come and witness and enjoy this
amazing once in a lifetime Swallow-Tailed Kite Spectacular while they are
still here as they are gathering and stocking up for their long journey home
to Mato De Grosso , Brazil !

The Swallow-Tailed Kite fields are located on route 466.  You can get there
by going on the turnpike to the Wildwood exit, to route 301.  Go north to
route
466, turn left and go about 2 1/2 miles down 466.  The site is on route
466, 2.5
miles west of 301.



Steve Petruniak

Daytona Beach

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Date: 7/24/14 7:12 am
From: Renne Leatto <renne...>
Subject: Re: [BRDBRAIN] (Call It Absolutely Magic ! ) NOT ... but Lake Panasoffkee WMA was magical
I really wish people would have READ my entire post correctly instead of
sending so many responses which imply that I said the reports were false.

To quote myself again, " I'm not doubting that the kites have gathered on
466 in great numbers. I'm just saying that they don't necessarily stay that
way all day long. If you go specifically to see the great numbers, have a
backup plan, because they might be widely dispersed instead when you
arrive."


Renee Leato
Windermere, Orange County



-----Original Message-----
From: dschromm [mailto:<dschromm...>]
Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2014 8:22 PM
To: Renne Leatto
Subject: Re: [BRDBRAIN] (Call It Absolutely Magic ! ) NOT ... but Lake
Panasoffkee WMA was magical

I.have been to this.location. several times as I live not far away and the
earlier estimates of kites are correct. Reports have been In the AM. the
birds seem to disperse around 11 AM to other areas. You probably missed the
large numbers due to the time of visit. Donna Schromm. ..

Sent from my iPad

> On Jul 23, 2014, at 7:20 PM, Renne Leatto <renne...> wrote:
>
> I think some of these swallow-tailed kite reports on 466 are
> overblowing expectations a bit.
>
> When we got there on Sunday, the kites were WIDELY dispersed all
> around the area. We stayed near the melon fields on 466 for a while
> but never saw more than 10 kites at one time, most of them FAR off in
> the distance. The one or two that came nearby moved on quickly to
> fields across the street or to other fields.
>
> In fact, you could drive down just about ANY road off 466 and find as
> many or more kites than were ever present at that particular melon field
on 466.
> (There are more melon fields all over the area.) All of those other
> places had much safer viewing than the side of the road on 466, where
> huge trucks and SUVs towing boats constantly speed by, clearly well
> over the speed limit.
>
> It was too hot to just stand there all day waiting for kites to drizzle
by.
> So we decided to go to a Great Florida Birding Trail location off SR
> 44 to the west, which is reliable for red-headed woodpeckers,
> sometimes by the dozen -- the Lake Panasoffkee Wildlife Management Area.
>
> It was 97 degrees in the shade when we got there -- not great weather
> for bird activity. But we saw/heard some fun species and one real find
...
>
> - 3 red-headed woodpeckers (our highest number at this location was
> 22, once when we got there right after a thunderstorm)
>
> - Male bobwhites calling from just about every direction
>

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Date: 7/24/14 6:57 am
From: Renne Leatto <renne...>
Subject: Re: [BRDBRAIN] (Call It Absolutely Magic ! ) NOT ... but Lake Panasoffkee WMA was magical
Bob,



I think you missed my point. If you read all of my post, then you saw the part that said,



“I'm not doubting that the kites have gathered on 466 in great numbers. I'm just saying that they don't necessarily stay that way all day long. If you go specifically to see the great numbers, have a backup plan, because they might be widely dispersed instead when you arrive.”

And I GAVE readers that backup plan, by informing them of all the side roads off of 466 where we saw the kites. It IS overblowing expectations when readers might think (as it was phrased that way in other reports) that they might expect to see the multitude of kites all in that one location all day long.



My report merely added realism to the record.



Renee Leato

Windermere, Orange County









From: Robert Stalnaker [mailto:<robert.wildlife...>]
Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 12:59 AM
To: Renne Leatto; <BRDBRAIN...>
Subject: Re: [BRDBRAIN] (Call It Absolutely Magic ! ) NOT ... but Lake Panasoffkee WMA was magical



Hello,



Re, "I think some of these swallow-tailed kite reports on 466 are overblowing expectations a bit."



Swallow-tailed Kites (STKI) travel very long distances from their roost to feed in late June through July. They could stumble upon a new foraging area on any given day enroute to a previous foraging area so they may not show up as "expected". Also, they are known to sometimes not linger real long so 100+ could turn into a handful in short order.



The reports were not "overblowing expectations". They reported what they saw at the time they saw it. There never is a guarantee it will replicate itself, especially with a species like STKI that travels such long distances to forage. Most birders know that it is often a crapshoot to get the same results for any reported sighting. The only "reliable" place I know of for large STKI numbers is Lake Apopka North Shore Restoration Area (LANSRA).



What is exciting is this Route 466 location is another "potential" location to see a large feeding aggregation of kites.



So far, I know of the following places were 100+ numbers have been seen:



-- Route 466 (Sumter County)

-- LANSRA 448A entrance (Lake County)

-- LANSRA seen from Jones Ave Basin Stormwater Park (Orange County)

-- Powerline Road (Pasco County).



There likely are other "Route 466" surprises out there. All it takes is some exploration to find them.



If anybody knows of any other location where 100+ STKI have been seen, please let us (me) know. I would like to document known locations for feeding aggregations during the June-July pre-migration period.





Bob Stalnaker
Longwood, FL



On Wednesday, July 23, 2014 7:21 PM, Renne Leatto <renne...> <mailto:<renne...> > wrote:



I think some of these swallow-tailed kite reports on 466 are overblowing
expectations a bit.

When we got there on Sunday, the kites were WIDELY dispersed all around the
area. We stayed near the melon fields on 466 for a while but never saw more
than 10 kites at one time, most of them FAR off in the distance. The one or
two that came nearby moved on quickly to fields across the street or to
other fields.

In fact, you could drive down just about ANY road off 466 and find as many
or more kites than were ever present at that particular melon field on 466.
(There are more melon fields all over the area.) All of those other places
had much safer viewing than the side of the road on 466, where huge trucks
and SUVs towing boats constantly speed by, clearly well over the speed
limit.

It was too hot to just stand there all day waiting for kites to drizzle by.
So we decided to go to a Great Florida Birding Trail location off SR 44 to
the west, which is reliable for red-headed woodpeckers, sometimes by the
dozen -- the Lake Panasoffkee Wildlife Management Area.

It was 97 degrees in the shade when we got there -- not great weather for
bird activity. But we saw/heard some fun species and one real find ...

- 3 red-headed woodpeckers (our highest number at this location was 22, once
when we got there right after a thunderstorm)

- Male bobwhites calling from just about every direction

- A pair of southeastern subspecies American Kestrals

- ONE MALE BLUE GROSBEAK in spectacular breeding plumage -- in the Florida
myrtles in the wetland areas off the road into the WMA. You can stop on the
road and look in. There was tremendous bird activity when we were there, a
flock of tufted titmice and others we did not ID, in addition to the blue
grosbeak

- 3 Swallow-tailed kites

To sum up: We've seen much bigger STKI gatherings near Powerline Road than
we saw on or near 466. I'm not doubting that the kites have gathered on 466
in great numbers. I'm just saying that they don't necessarily stay that way
all day long. If you go specifically to see the great numbers, have a
backup plan, because they might be widely dispersed instead when you arrive.

Renee Leato
Windermere, Orange County




-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Petruniak [mailto:<raeliancaver...> <mailto:<raeliancaver...> ]
Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2014 4:20 AM
Subject: (Call It Absolutely Magic ! ) Swallow-Tailed Kite-Land Fields
Forever ! Just a Flock Of Birds ! 300-400 Plus ! Route 466- Wildwood-
(Sumter County)‏

Just A Short Report !

The Gathering !

I just have to start and say that this past weekend just outside of Wildwood
in Sumter County was just pure Swallow-Tailed Kite Heaven ! I had been
following the various postings on this area and would like to Thank Very
Much- Alice Horst for initially posting on this amazing site ! I have to say
that in all the years that I have been following our Precious Swallow-Tailed
Kites I have never seen such a Wonderful and Beautiful Show of Pure Magic
and Graceful flying as was displayed and performed by these several hundreds
of Frenzy Feeding Swallow- Tailed Kites as they flew and fed over these
fields and all of the surrounding areas .

We spent part of Saturday afternoon and most of Sunday morning and afternoon
just transfixed and in sheer awe and amazement as The Swallow-Tailed Kites
came flying in from all over the surrounding areas and flying both high and
low and not only feeding from the skies but also a sight that I have never
seen before except when they are flying over the water drinking is that they
were actually flying way low to the ground and actually snatching the
various insects probably the grasshoppers and other insects along with the
millions of huge Dragonflies that were flying around everywhere ! Sometimes
there were just scores that could be seen flying low touching the plants
snatching some insects as they flew.

At one point on Sunday Morning from our vantage point along with 3 other
visiting Lady Birders from Tampa and one from The Citrus Audubon Society,
watched in absolute jaw dropping amazement as we were literally surrounded
both high and low with hundreds of Swallow-Tailed Kites in every direction
that the eye could see 360 degrees all around both high and low to the
ground and even way beyond the fields there were Swallow-Tailed Kites flying
! And that description is not just an exaggeration to say the least ! You
just had to be there to see it ! It's just hard to put into words just what
we were witnessing !
Several times the Swallow-Tailed Kite actually flew and buzzed right past
and over our heads ! One of the young ladies present from Tampa took out her
I- phone out and played the appropriately New "Coldplay" song simply called
-O- Fly On :

Check Link :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZX2KJKRViPA

as the Swallow-Tailed Kites performed their feeding frenzy ! Purely Magic !

There were lots of Swallow-Tailed Kite Juveniles flying along with the
adults vocalizing and even at some point I could actually hear the sounds of
swooshing and grabbing as the Swallow-Tailed Kites would come flying low to
the ground and were grabbing the various bugs and insects from the ground !

So I would highly recommend to anyone who truly enjoys to see and follow
our Precious Swallow-Tailed Kites Please do come and witness and enjoy this
amazing once in a lifetime Swallow-Tailed Kite Spectacular while they are
still here as they are gathering and stocking up for their long journey home
to Mato De Grosso , Brazil !

The Swallow-Tailed Kite fields are located on route 466. You can get there
by going on the turnpike to the Wildwood exit, to route 301. Go north to
route
466, turn left and go about 2 1/2 miles down 466. The site is on route
466, 2.5
miles west of 301.



Steve Petruniak

Daytona Beach

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Date: 7/24/14 5:59 am
From: <dotrobbins...> <dotrobbins...>
Subject: Re: [BRDBRAIN] Red-necked Stint further info...
Interesting. The large grain of salt here is that there is no way of knowing how long a bird was present before it was first sighted and reported. For instance, the Boca Chica area where "our" Stint is now is not covered regularly by birders. Who knows how long it was there before it was found? Dotty Robbins
High Springs

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From: Ron Smith <rsmithbirds...>
To: <BRDBRAIN...>
Subject: [BRDBRAIN] Red-necked Stint further info...
Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2014 05:45:13 -0500


Good morning, You might be like me, wanting to make the trip to Boca Chica, but at the moment other things in life are in the way. So how long will this bird remain? It's been eight days including yesterday's sightings. Because I was curious I checked eBird for into on other Red-necked Stint summer sightings in recent history along the Atlantic/Gulf coasts to see how just how many days those other stints remained. Of course, the below dates may differ slightly if non eBird users had seen the bird(s) on other dates not shown in the data. It's possible, too, I may have missed a sighting based on the time of day I just looked them up. The info was to provide ya'll with a historical perspective only. I hope it stays at least another week, or maybe it thinks Boca Chica is its wintering spot and it'll stay 'til next April... Duxbury Beach (MA) 24 Aug-7 Sep 1998 (15 days)South Beach, Chatham (MA) 27 Jun-4 Jul 2010 (8 days)Milford Pt. (CT) 17-23 July 2006 (7 days)Woodland Beach (DE) 12-18 May 1994 (7 days)Monomoy NWR (MA) 14-19 Aug 2003 (6 days)Bolivar Flats (TX) 2-6 Jul 2011 (5 days)West Ocean (MD) 19-23 Aug 1995 (5 days)Cupsogue Beach (NY) 30 Jun-4 Jul 2013 (5 days)Jamaica Bay (NY) 1-4 Aug 2008 (4 days)Pikes Beach (NY) 15-18 Jul 2000 (4 days)Sandy Pt. (MA) 27-28 Jun 2013 (2 days)Sandy Pt (MA) 26-27 Jun 1999 (2 days)Craney Island (VA) 22-23 Jul 1994 (2 days)Cape May (NJ) 29-30 Aug 2008 (2 days) Ron SmithSt. Pete, FLwww.PinellasBirds.com To subscribe, unsubscribe or view archives of the brdbrain listserv list, please visit us on the web at: http://listserv.admin.usf.edu/archives/brdbrain.html To set to no mail send a message: SET BRDBRAIN NOMAIL to <LISTSERV...> To reinstate mail service after NOMAIL send a message: SET BRDBRAIN MAIL to <LISTSERV...> Report any problems to the listserv administrator: <listadmin...> ____________________________________________________________________________

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Date: 7/24/14 3:45 am
From: Ron Smith <rsmithbirds...>
Subject: [BRDBRAIN] Red-necked Stint further info...
Good morning,

You might be like me, wanting to make the trip to Boca Chica, but at the
moment other things in life are in the way. So how long will this bird
remain? It's been *eight* days including yesterday's sightings. Because I
was curious I checked eBird for into on other Red-necked Stint *summer
*sightings
in *recent history* along the Atlantic/Gulf coasts to see how just how many
days those other stints remained. Of course, the below dates may differ
slightly if non eBird users had seen the bird(s) on other dates not shown
in the data. It's possible, too, I may have missed a sighting based on the
time of day I just looked them up. The info was to provide ya'll with a
historical perspective only.

I hope it stays at least another week, or maybe it thinks Boca Chica is its
wintering spot and it'll stay 'til next April...

Duxbury Beach (MA) 24 Aug-7 Sep 1998 (*15 days)*
South Beach, Chatham (MA) 27 Jun-4 Jul 2010 (*8 days*)
Milford Pt. (CT) 17-23 July 2006 (*7 days*)
Woodland Beach (DE) 12-18 May 1994 (*7 days*)
Monomoy NWR (MA) 14-19 Aug 2003 (*6 days*)
Bolivar Flats (TX) 2-6 Jul 2011 (*5 days*)
West Ocean (MD) 19-23 Aug 1995 (*5 days*)
Cupsogue Beach (NY) 30 Jun-4 Jul 2013 (*5 days*)
Jamaica Bay (NY) 1-4 Aug 2008 (*4 days*)
Pikes Beach (NY) 15-18 Jul 2000 (*4 days*)
Sandy Pt. (MA) 27-28 Jun 2013 (*2 days*)
Sandy Pt (MA) 26-27 Jun 1999 (*2 days*)
Craney Island (VA) 22-23 Jul 1994 (*2 days*)
Cape May (NJ) 29-30 Aug 2008 (*2 days*)

Ron Smith
St. Pete, FL
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Date: 7/23/14 9:59 pm
From: Robert Stalnaker <robert.wildlife...>
Subject: Re: [BRDBRAIN] (Call It Absolutely Magic ! ) NOT ... but Lake Panasoffkee WMA was magical
Hello,

Re, "I think some of these swallow-tailed kite reports on 466 are overblowing expectations a bit."

Swallow-tailed Kites (STKI) travel very long distances from their roost to feed in late June through July.  They could stumble upon a new foraging area on any given day enroute to a previous foraging area so they may not show up as "expected".  Also, they are known to sometimes not linger real long so 100+ could turn into a handful in short order. 


The reports were not "overblowing expectations".  They reported what they saw at the time they saw it.  There never is a guarantee it will replicate itself, especially with a species like STKI that travels such long distances to forage.  Most birders know that it is often a crapshoot to get the same results for any reported sighting.  The only "reliable" place I know of for large STKI numbers is Lake Apopka North Shore Restoration Area (LANSRA).

What is exciting is this Route 466 location is another "potential" location to see a large feeding aggregation of kites.

So far, I know of the following places were 100+ numbers have been seen:

-- Route 466 (Sumter County)

-- LANSRA 448A entrance (Lake County)

-- LANSRA seen from Jones Ave Basin Stormwater Park (Orange County)

-- Powerline Road (Pasco County).  

There likely are other "Route 466" surprises out there.  All it takes is some exploration to find them.


If anybody knows of any other location where 100+ STKI have been seen, please let us (me) know.  I would like to document known locations for feeding aggregations during the June-July pre-migration period. 

 
 
Bob Stalnaker
Longwood, FL


On Wednesday, July 23, 2014 7:21 PM, Renne Leatto <renne...> wrote:



I think some of these swallow-tailed kite reports on 466 are overblowing
expectations a bit. 

When we got there on Sunday, the kites were WIDELY dispersed all around the
area.  We stayed near the melon fields on 466 for a while but never saw more
than 10 kites at one time, most of them FAR off in the distance.  The one or
two that came nearby moved on quickly to fields across the street or to
other fields.

In fact, you could drive down just about ANY road off 466 and find as many
or more kites than were ever present at that particular melon field on 466.
(There are more melon fields all over the area.)  All of those other places
had much safer viewing than the side of the road on 466, where huge trucks
and SUVs towing boats constantly speed by, clearly well over the speed
limit.

It was too hot to just stand there all day waiting for kites to drizzle by.
So we decided to go to a Great Florida Birding Trail location off SR 44 to
the west, which is reliable for red-headed woodpeckers, sometimes by the
dozen -- the Lake Panasoffkee Wildlife Management Area.

It was 97 degrees in the shade when we got there -- not great weather for
bird activity.  But we saw/heard some fun species and one real find ...

- 3 red-headed woodpeckers (our highest number at this location was 22, once
when we got there right after a thunderstorm)

- Male bobwhites calling from just about every direction

- A pair of southeastern subspecies American Kestrals

- ONE MALE BLUE GROSBEAK in spectacular breeding plumage -- in the Florida
myrtles in the wetland areas off the road into the WMA.  You can stop on the
road and look in.  There was tremendous bird activity when we were there, a
flock of tufted titmice and others we did not ID, in addition to the blue
grosbeak

- 3 Swallow-tailed kites

To sum up: We've seen much bigger STKI gatherings near Powerline Road than
we saw on or near 466.  I'm not doubting that the kites have gathered on 466
in great numbers.  I'm just saying that they don't necessarily stay that way
all day long.  If you go specifically to see the great numbers, have a
backup plan, because they might be widely dispersed instead when you arrive.

Renee Leato
Windermere, Orange County




-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Petruniak [mailto:<raeliancaver...>]
Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2014 4:20 AM
Subject: (Call It Absolutely Magic ! ) Swallow-Tailed Kite-Land Fields
Forever ! Just a Flock Of Birds ! 300-400 Plus ! Route 466- Wildwood-
(Sumter County)‏

Just A Short Report !

The Gathering !

I just have to start and say that this past weekend just outside of Wildwood
in Sumter County was just pure Swallow-Tailed Kite Heaven ! I had been
following the various postings on this area and would like to Thank Very
Much- Alice Horst for initially posting on this amazing site ! I have to say
that in all the years that I have been following our Precious Swallow-Tailed
Kites I have never seen such a Wonderful and Beautiful Show of Pure Magic
and Graceful flying as was displayed and performed by these several hundreds
of Frenzy Feeding Swallow- Tailed Kites as they flew and fed over these
fields and all of the surrounding areas .

We spent part of Saturday afternoon and most of Sunday morning and afternoon
just transfixed and in sheer awe and amazement as The Swallow-Tailed Kites
came flying in from all over the surrounding areas and flying both high and
low and not only feeding from the skies but also a sight that I have never
seen before except when they are flying over the water drinking is that they
were actually flying way low to the ground and actually snatching the
various insects probably the grasshoppers and other insects along with the
millions of huge Dragonflies that were flying around everywhere ! Sometimes
there were just scores that could be seen flying low touching the plants
snatching some insects as they flew.

At one point on Sunday Morning from our vantage point along with 3 other
visiting  Lady Birders from Tampa and one from The Citrus Audubon Society,
watched in absolute jaw dropping amazement as we were literally surrounded
both high and low with hundreds of Swallow-Tailed Kites in every direction
that the eye could see 360 degrees all around both high and low to the
ground and even way beyond the fields there were Swallow-Tailed Kites flying
! And that description is not just an exaggeration to say the least !  You
just had to be there to see it ! It's just hard to put into words  just what
we were witnessing !
Several times the Swallow-Tailed Kite actually flew and buzzed right past
and over our heads ! One of the young ladies present from Tampa took out her
I- phone out and played the appropriately New "Coldplay" song simply  called
-O- Fly On :

Check Link : 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZX2KJKRViPA

as the Swallow-Tailed Kites performed their feeding frenzy ! Purely Magic !

There were lots of Swallow-Tailed Kite Juveniles flying along with the
adults vocalizing and even at some point I could actually hear the sounds of
swooshing and grabbing as the Swallow-Tailed Kites would come flying low to
the ground and were grabbing the various bugs and insects from the ground !

So I would highly recommend to anyone who  truly enjoys to see and follow
our Precious Swallow-Tailed Kites Please do come and witness and enjoy this
amazing once in a lifetime Swallow-Tailed Kite Spectacular while they are
still here as they are gathering and stocking up for their long journey home
to Mato De Grosso , Brazil !

The Swallow-Tailed Kite fields are located on route 466.  You can get there
by going on the turnpike to the Wildwood exit, to route 301.  Go north to
route
466, turn left and go about 2 1/2 miles down 466.  The site is on route
466, 2.5
miles west of 301.



Steve Petruniak

Daytona Beach

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Date: 7/23/14 6:32 pm
From: Alice Horst <ahorst...>
Subject: [BRDBRAIN] Swallow-tailed and Mississippi Kites on cr 466, Sumter County
From 9:45am until 11:15am today I watched the STKI "event" on cr 466. There
were a couple of MIKIs in the hundreds of Swallow-tails. I left and drove EAST
(toward 301) on cr 466, turned right, or SOUTH, on cr 209, drove 1.7 miles,
turned LEFT on NO NAME road. There is another melon field on the left with
dozens of STKIs and at least a couple of MIKIs mixed in.
This melon field is only 3-4 miles from the original field. There are Kites flying
over both at the same time.

If you are driving to 466 from 75 or the Turnpike, the area is OXFORD for a GPS.
You do not need to drive north to Ocala to come south to 466 and 301.

The main melon field is on 466 , 2.3 miles west of RT 301 (OXFORD).

Have fun, STKIs are EVERYWHERE, for the time being!
Alice Horst
The Villages, Marion County

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Date: 7/23/14 6:14 pm
From: Jim Swarr <jhschwarr...>
Subject: [BRDBRAIN] RED-NECKED STINT-Boca Chica Beach-4:45pm July 23, 2014
Joyce King and I drove south on Tues, July 22--staying at a friends place
that evening.

This morning, we were very happy to see Dave Simpson's posting that he had
seen the target birds shortly ater 8am.

We arrived in Marathon an hour before out motel was available--so continued
to Boca Chica Beach, arriving at the parking area at the end of the road
about 4pm. I am just 22 days post op from a new R. hip, and still a bit
sore--but managed with one crutch to walk to the end of the paved path--no
Stint.

When we had almost returned to the parking area, about 40 yards away, a
couple from Miami, Dave Pace and Alice--reported getting a scope view on
the Naval Airport mudflats, opposite the
beach--and then it flew.

Fortunately Alice found it on the beach opposite, and we all had good
binocular views; however it
flew before we could get a scope on it.

The time was 4:45pm

This is one remarkable FL bird!

Jim Swarr, Melrose, FL

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Date: 7/23/14 5:28 pm
From: Cole Fredricks <cfredricks...>
Subject: [BRDBRAIN] Saddle Creek & Lake Hancock Outfall Wetland birding tours
Please consider joining us for any of the following 2014-2015 field trips:

Lake Hancock Outfall Wetland Birding Tours
Tour a portion of this new 1,000-acre constructed treatment wetland. Over
130 species of bird have been recorded so far including local rarities such
as Fulvous Whistling-Duck, Red-breasted Merganser, White-faced Ibis, Willet,
Sandwich Tern, Franklins Gull, and Nelsons Sparrow. After carpooling in,
walk as little or as much as you like. A 2-mile hike will allow you to cover
the most productive areas. Meet at the Crossover Rd. gate (map -
https://goo.gl/maps/Tujwy). Bring binoculars, spotting scope if available,
water, hat, etc. There is very little shade and no restroom facilities at
this site. Limited number of participants allowed. Reservations required
contact Cole Fredricks <cfredricks...> or (863) 651-2454.

Sunday, September 14, 2014 7:30 am
Sunday, November 9, 2014 7:30 am
Sunday, January 11, 2015 8:00 am
Sunday, March 8, 2015 8:00 am
Sunday, May 10, 2015 7:30 am
Sunday, July 12, 2015 7:30 am


Saddle Creek Warbler Walks
Over 50 species of migrant songbird have been recorded at this well-known
fall migrant trap. Join us for a mostly shaded, 2-mile round trip walk. Meet
in the parking area (map - https://goo.gl/maps/1PqOo) to start at 8:00 am.
No reservations necessary. Bring binoculars, insect repellent, water, hat,
etc. Restrooms are available at the parking area.

Saturday, September 6, 2014 8:00 am
Saturday, September 27, 2014 8:00 am
Saturday, October 18, 2014 8:00 am


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Lake Region Audubon Society
Winter Haven, FL

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Date: 7/23/14 4:20 pm
From: Renne Leatto <renne...>
Subject: Re: [BRDBRAIN] (Call It Absolutely Magic ! ) NOT ... but Lake Panasoffkee WMA was magical
I think some of these swallow-tailed kite reports on 466 are overblowing
expectations a bit.

When we got there on Sunday, the kites were WIDELY dispersed all around the
area. We stayed near the melon fields on 466 for a while but never saw more
than 10 kites at one time, most of them FAR off in the distance. The one or
two that came nearby moved on quickly to fields across the street or to
other fields.

In fact, you could drive down just about ANY road off 466 and find as many
or more kites than were ever present at that particular melon field on 466.
(There are more melon fields all over the area.) All of those other places
had much safer viewing than the side of the road on 466, where huge trucks
and SUVs towing boats constantly speed by, clearly well over the speed
limit.

It was too hot to just stand there all day waiting for kites to drizzle by.
So we decided to go to a Great Florida Birding Trail location off SR 44 to
the west, which is reliable for red-headed woodpeckers, sometimes by the
dozen -- the Lake Panasoffkee Wildlife Management Area.

It was 97 degrees in the shade when we got there -- not great weather for
bird activity. But we saw/heard some fun species and one real find ...

- 3 red-headed woodpeckers (our highest number at this location was 22, once
when we got there right after a thunderstorm)

- Male bobwhites calling from just about every direction

- A pair of southeastern subspecies American Kestrals

- ONE MALE BLUE GROSBEAK in spectacular breeding plumage -- in the Florida
myrtles in the wetland areas off the road into the WMA. You can stop on the
road and look in. There was tremendous bird activity when we were there, a
flock of tufted titmice and others we did not ID, in addition to the blue
grosbeak

- 3 Swallow-tailed kites

To sum up: We've seen much bigger STKI gatherings near Powerline Road than
we saw on or near 466. I'm not doubting that the kites have gathered on 466
in great numbers. I'm just saying that they don't necessarily stay that way
all day long. If you go specifically to see the great numbers, have a
backup plan, because they might be widely dispersed instead when you arrive.

Renee Leato
Windermere, Orange County




-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Petruniak [mailto:<raeliancaver...>]
Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2014 4:20 AM
Subject: (Call It Absolutely Magic ! ) Swallow-Tailed Kite-Land Fields
Forever ! Just a Flock Of Birds ! 300-400 Plus ! Route 466- Wildwood-
(Sumter County)

Just A Short Report !

The Gathering !

I just have to start and say that this past weekend just outside of Wildwood
in Sumter County was just pure Swallow-Tailed Kite Heaven ! I had been
following the various postings on this area and would like to Thank Very
Much- Alice Horst for initially posting on this amazing site ! I have to say
that in all the years that I have been following our Precious Swallow-Tailed
Kites I have never seen such a Wonderful and Beautiful Show of Pure Magic
and Graceful flying as was displayed and performed by these several hundreds
of Frenzy Feeding Swallow- Tailed Kites as they flew and fed over these
fields and all of the surrounding areas .

We spent part of Saturday afternoon and most of Sunday morning and afternoon
just transfixed and in sheer awe and amazement as The Swallow-Tailed Kites
came flying in from all over the surrounding areas and flying both high and
low and not only feeding from the skies but also a sight that I have never
seen before except when they are flying over the water drinking is that they
were actually flying way low to the ground and actually snatching the
various insects probably the grasshoppers and other insects along with the
millions of huge Dragonflies that were flying around everywhere ! Sometimes
there were just scores that could be seen flying low touching the plants
snatching some insects as they flew.

At one point on Sunday Morning from our vantage point along with 3 other
visiting Lady Birders from Tampa and one from The Citrus Audubon Society,
watched in absolute jaw dropping amazement as we were literally surrounded
both high and low with hundreds of Swallow-Tailed Kites in every direction
that the eye could see 360 degrees all around both high and low to the
ground and even way beyond the fields there were Swallow-Tailed Kites flying
! And that description is not just an exaggeration to say the least ! You
just had to be there to see it ! It's just hard to put into words just what
we were witnessing !
Several times the Swallow-Tailed Kite actually flew and buzzed right past
and over our heads ! One of the young ladies present from Tampa took out her
I- phone out and played the appropriately New "Coldplay" song simply called
-O- Fly On :

Check Link :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZX2KJKRViPA

as the Swallow-Tailed Kites performed their feeding frenzy ! Purely Magic !

There were lots of Swallow-Tailed Kite Juveniles flying along with the
adults vocalizing and even at some point I could actually hear the sounds of
swooshing and grabbing as the Swallow-Tailed Kites would come flying low to
the ground and were grabbing the various bugs and insects from the ground !

So I would highly recommend to anyone who truly enjoys to see and follow
our Precious Swallow-Tailed Kites Please do come and witness and enjoy this
amazing once in a lifetime Swallow-Tailed Kite Spectacular while they are
still here as they are gathering and stocking up for their long journey home
to Mato De Grosso , Brazil !

The Swallow-Tailed Kite fields are located on route 466. You can get there
by going on the turnpike to the Wildwood exit, to route 301. Go north to
route
466, turn left and go about 2 1/2 miles down 466. The site is on route
466, 2.5
miles west of 301.



Steve Petruniak

Daytona Beach

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Date: 7/23/14 1:52 pm
From: David Hartgrove <birdman9...>
Subject: [BRDBRAIN] Biolab Road & MINWR
Hi All,
July is not the best time for a trip to Merritt Island NWR. The mosquitoes are thick and for the most part, the birds are thin, as in not many there. Or so we thought when 5 of us from Halifax River Audubon took a drive down there this morning. We had fledged young Wild Turkeys along SR 3 on the way in. We drove down to SR 402 and entered Canaveral National Seashore to drive in along Biolab Road from the south. This allowed a stop at the headquarters building for looks at Scrub Jays, Eastern Towhees and the first encounter with the mosquitoes that kept us company the rest of the morning. We drove east to Biolab Road and turned north. Almost immediately we had a fledged young Loggerhead Shrike perched along side the road in a small cabbage palm. There were numerous Snowy and Great Egrets, lots of Tricolored Herons, Red-winged Blackbirds and Boat-tailed Grackles. We finally got to a spot where we were driving along the shoreline of Mosquito Lagoon. The mangroves, castor bean and other plants block the view in most places but we did get some good looks at Greater and Lesser Yellowlegs, Stilt, Semi-palmated, Least and one or two Western Sandpipers. Further along as we drove north we found a Spotted Sandpiper and the first Forster's Terns we've seen this season. There were also Glossy and White Ibis, Roseate Spoonbills, Green Herons and Eastern Meadowlarks along the west side of the road and a large, off colored heron we took to be a Ward's Heron. I think Chuck Tague got photos. My camera was safe at home.

After a quick pause for the cause at the Visitor's Center we drove around Black Point. A disappointment except for the 2 Black Terns and the 2 Eastern Kingbirds we saw. The water levels are high along Black Point and this bodes well for this winter. Last year was the worst at MINWR that I can remember, due for the most part to the salinity of the water being out of balance thanks to last summer's prolonged drought. Last winter, in all my trips to MINWR, I saw just one American Coot. Where usually the rafts of coots are too numerous to count. Let's hope they return in numbers this year. Their presence seems to mean more ducks and other water fowl.


David Hartgrove
Daytona Beach, FL

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Date: 7/22/14 6:25 am
From: Ron Smith <rsmithbirds...>
Subject: [BRDBRAIN] Red-necked Stint (Monroe County, 22 Jul 2014)
Mark Berney reported this morning on the Tropical Audubon birdboard that
the Red-necked Stint was present again at the previous described location
on Boca Chica Beach.

Ron Smith
St. Pete, FL
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Date: 7/22/14 1:20 am
From: Steve Petruniak <raeliancaver...>
Subject: [BRDBRAIN] (Call It Absolutely Magic ! ) Swallow-Tailed Kite-Land Fields Forever ! Just a Flock Of Birds ! 300-400 Plus ! Route 466- Wildwood- (Sumter County)‏
Just A Short Report !

The Gathering !

I just have to start and say that this past weekend just outside of Wildwood in
Sumter County was just pure Swallow-Tailed Kite Heaven ! I had been following
the various postings on this area and would like to Thank Very Much- Alice Horst
for initially posting on this amazing site ! I have to say that in all the years that I
have been following our Precious Swallow-Tailed Kites I have never seen such a
Wonderful and Beautiful Show of Pure Magic and Graceful flying as was
displayed and performed by these several hundreds of Frenzy Feeding Swallow-
Tailed Kites as they flew and fed over these fields and all of the surrounding
areas .

We spent part of Saturday afternoon and most of Sunday morning and afternoon
just transfixed and in sheer awe and amazement as The Swallow-Tailed Kites
came flying in from all over the surrounding areas and flying both high and low
and not only feeding from the skies but also a sight that I have never seen
before except when they are flying over the water drinking is that they were
actually flying way low to the ground and actually snatching the various insects
probably the grasshoppers and other insects along with the millions of huge
Dragonflies that were flying around everywhere ! Sometimes there were just
scores that could be seen flying low touching the plants snatching some insects
as they flew.

At one point on Sunday Morning from our vantage point along with 3 other
visiting Lady Birders from Tampa and one from The Citrus Audubon Society,
watched in absolute jaw dropping amazement as we were literally surrounded
both high and low with hundreds of Swallow-Tailed Kites in every direction that
the eye could see 360 degrees all around both high and low to the ground and
even way beyond the fields there were Swallow-Tailed Kites flying ! And that
description is not just an exaggeration to say the least ! You just had to be
there to see it ! It's just hard to put into words just what we were witnessing !
Several times the Swallow-Tailed Kite actually flew and buzzed right past and
over our heads ! One of the young ladies present from Tampa took out her I-
phone out and played the appropriately New "Coldplay" song simply called -O-
Fly On :

Check Link :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZX2KJKRViPA

as the Swallow-Tailed Kites performed their feeding frenzy ! Purely Magic !

There were lots of Swallow-Tailed Kite Juveniles flying along with the adults
vocalizing and even at some point I could actually hear the sounds of swooshing
and grabbing as the Swallow-Tailed Kites would come flying low to the ground
and were grabbing the various bugs and insects from the ground !

So I would highly recommend to anyone who truly enjoys to see and follow our
Precious Swallow-Tailed Kites Please do come and witness and enjoy this
amazing once in a lifetime Swallow-Tailed Kite Spectacular while they are still
here as they are gathering and stocking up for their long journey home to Mato
De Grosso , Brazil !

The Swallow-Tailed Kite fields are located on route 466. You can get there by
going on the turnpike to the Wildwood exit, to route 301. Go north to route
466, turn left and go about 2 1/2 miles down 466. The site is on route 466, 2.5
miles west of 301.



Steve Petruniak

Daytona Beach

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Date: 7/20/14 6:38 pm
From: Reinhard Geisler <r102...>
Subject: [BRDBRAIN] Red-necked Stint, Boca Chica, Monroe County - refound today
A few information for those who may want to try for the bird:

Wednesday and Thursday it was seen approx. from 7:30 AM to 9:00 AM.

Friday and Saturday the bird was not seen at all.

This morning the Red-necked Stint was refound by David Foster from the Jacksonville area. The bird was seen actively feeding at approx. 9:30 AM approx. 150 yards into the paved path after Boca Chica roads ends.
By 11:00 the bird flew and then has not been seen again.

6 of us Central Florida birders had been in Miami looking for a Exotics when we received the info. After already having been there for 2 to 3 days we went back and arrived at approx. 1:30 PM. At 1:45 PM Lori had found it exact opposite the cross as originally described.
Over time it moved further down and when we left at 6:50 PM it was approx. 30 yards beyond the end of the paved path.

There are some small mounts and at times it was hidden for minutes behind them.
The Stint was feeding the whole width of the beach, not just the shoreline and sandy portion of the beach.

Good luck for anyone who tries.


Reinhard Geisler
Oviedo, FL - Seminole County
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Date: 7/20/14 4:38 pm
From: Cathy Walters <catherinwalters...>
Subject: Re: [BRDBRAIN] Kite Bonanza @ Wildwood (Sumter County)
We also saw the Swallow-Tailed Kites on CR 466, and a Mississippi Kite in a
different location. We took I-75 to Rte. 40 in Ocala, and turned right on
475A to reach 466. 475A parallels 75 for a while and dog-legs to the eat.
The Mississippi Kite was seen just east of the dog-leg.

What a treat, thanks for sharing this special location!

Cathy Walters
Tampa


On Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 5:12 PM, Joyce Stefancic <jws2735...>
wrote:

> Hi Birdbrains,
>
> We made the trip this morning up to Wildwood to view the Swallow-tailed
> Kites (STKI) that were posted by Alice Horst, and we were not
> disappointed. It is such a thrill to watch these graceful and beautiful
> birds in such numbers.
>
>
>
> We went to the area she described, where the melon fields are, and saw
> 100+ STKI over the fields, dipping low over the fields in search of the
> multitude of bugs. We watched one grab a butterfly, then “throw it away”,
> as butterfly obviously wasn’t on its menu. We also traveled most of the
> side roads around the area hoping to find more kites (we have kite
> gluttony), and did find a smaller group containing a Mississippi Kite
> (MIKI).
>
>
>
> The melon fields are located on route 466. We got there by going on the
> turnpike to the Wildwood exit, to route 301. Go north to route 466, turn
> left and go about 2 1/2 miles down 466. We parked along the road side…it’s
> is a pretty busy road. HOWEVER, if you go to CR 237 (west from the 466
> location), there is very light traffic, and a big shade tree to stand
> under. There the kites fly over the fields to the east, and the kites also
> fly over the trees to the west to snag beetles out of the treetops.
>
>
>
> The MIKI was seen on CR 216, with a few STKI.
>
> Good Birding!
>
> Joyce Stefancic
>
> Clermont
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Date: 7/20/14 9:27 am
From: Susan Daughtrey <susansd...>
Subject: [BRDBRAIN] The return of the Spotted Sandpiper to Charlotte County
Hi All,



My husband and I took a boat ride over to Stump Pass this morning, and saw
our first-of-the-season Spotted Sandpiper on the rocks of our subdivision
and the ICW. While at Stump Pass Beach State Park, we located an American
Oystercatcher in with the Least Tern colony, five Wilson's Plovers, and a
Western Sandpiper, as the more notable shorebirds. On the return trip, we
saw a few spread-out kettles of Magnificent Frigatebirds riding the thermals
above Lemon Bay.



Best,

Susan Daughtrey

Englewood, Charlotte County


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Date: 7/19/14 4:15 pm
From: Fred Hileman <fredleeh...>
Subject: [BRDBRAIN] Swallow-tailed Kites
We were at the cr 466 melon field today at 10-11 A.M. The Swallow-tailed Kites
were abundant. Snatching Dragonfly's and other insects on the wing. What a
spectacular sight. Lighting was perfect for great photos. Must have been 100+
circling the field.

Fred Hileman
Dunnellon, FL

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Date: 7/19/14 2:18 pm
From: Bill Pranty <billpranty...>
Subject: [BRDBRAIN] Magpie Geese, Volusia County, 19 Jul 2014
Good afternoon,

This morning, Brian Ahern, Valeri Ponzo, and I traveled to a gated community in Volusia County to help document a new exotic for Florida: two Magpie Geese that showed up about two weeks ago. (There is no public access to the site). Magpie Geese are is native to northern Australia and southern New Guinea. They are the 141st exotic species documented in Florida.


Best regards,

Bill Pranty
Bayonet Point, Florida

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Date: 7/18/14 2:36 pm
From: Joyce Stefancic <jws2735...>
Subject: [BRDBRAIN] Sumter county pic
Hi again,

I forgot to attach the pic of the melon fields where the Sumter County kites
can be found. This gives you an idea of what to look for.

Joyce Stefancic

Clermont


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Date: 7/18/14 2:12 pm
From: Joyce Stefancic <jws2735...>
Subject: [BRDBRAIN] Kite Bonanza @ Wildwood (Sumter County)
Hi Birdbrains,

We made the trip this morning up to Wildwood to view the Swallow-tailed
Kites (STKI) that were posted by Alice Horst, and we were not disappointed.
It is such a thrill to watch these graceful and beautiful birds in such
numbers.



We went to the area she described, where the melon fields are, and saw 100+
STKI over the fields, dipping low over the fields in search of the multitude
of bugs. We watched one grab a butterfly, then "throw it away", as
butterfly obviously wasn't on its menu. We also traveled most of the side
roads around the area hoping to find more kites (we have kite gluttony), and
did find a smaller group containing a Mississippi Kite (MIKI).



The melon fields are located on route 466. We got there by going on the
turnpike to the Wildwood exit, to route 301. Go north to route 466, turn
left and go about 2 1/2 miles down 466. We parked along the road side.it's
is a pretty busy road. HOWEVER, if you go to CR 237 (west from the 466
location), there is very light traffic, and a big shade tree to stand under.
There the kites fly over the fields to the east, and the kites also fly over
the trees to the west to snag beetles out of the treetops.



The MIKI was seen on CR 216, with a few STKI.

Good Birding!

Joyce Stefancic

Clermont










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Date: 7/18/14 9:59 am
From: Susan Daughtrey <susansd...>
Subject: [BRDBRAIN] Purple Gallinules at Laurel Landfill in Sarasota County
Hi All,



The Englewood birders were at the Central County Solid Waste Disposal
Complex, locally known as the Laurel Landfill, in Sarasota County today, and
located a pair of Purple Gallinules. These were the first Purple Gallinules
any of us had seen at this location before. They were in the pickerelweed
and alligator flag at the very start of the lake across from the R/C Model
Airplane field. Our total species count for the day was 47, and other
notable birds besides the PUGA were one Roseate Spoonbill in with a large
group of Wood Storks, a Red-headed Woodpecker flycatching from a barbed wire
fence, two singing Bachman's Sparrows, and a male Northern Bobwhite calling
continuously from a pine limb about 15 feet off the ground. Hot, but very
enjoyable, morning.



Best,

Susan Daughtrey

Englewood, Charlotte County


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Date: 7/18/14 9:27 am
From: Bill Pranty <billpranty...>
Subject: Re: [BRDBRAIN] another mystery bird
The bird is a Great Crested Flycatcher.


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Bayonet Point, Florida
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Date: 7/18/14 9:22 am
From: Mary Rusch <Lorelielee...>
Subject: Re: [BRDBRAIN] another mystery bird
Hi Ron..I do believe you mystery bird is a wood pewee ...love Oscar Schere park, I was
lucky enough the first time I went yo see the Scrub jay hanging out right next to the road.
So awesome. Have a great day
Mary Rusch
Dunedin Fl

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Date: 7/17/14 8:10 pm
From: Ron Looker <rlooker...>
Subject: [BRDBRAIN] another mystery bird
Everyone was so helpful with the last post, so I was hoping for more help. I went to Oscar Scherer State Park today between rain drops in search of Scrub Jays. I had no luck with the Jays. In addition to seeing my first Swallow-tailed Kite, I also saw this mystery bird:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c373/ronlooker/mysterybird1_zps81bbf051.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c373/ronlooker/mysterybird2_zps55c4ed89.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c373/ronlooker/mysterybird3_zpsb6d44056.jpg
Im thinking it is a type of flycatcher. Thanks once again for the help.
Ron,
Columbus, OH

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Date: 7/17/14 7:44 pm
From: Alice Horst <ahorst...>
Subject: [BRDBRAIN] Swallow-tailed Kites still on 466 in Sumter County
On 7/17 there still were hundreds of STKIs "kiting" over the melon fields on rt
466, 2.5 miles west of 301.

I have seen them most mornings from 10:30am - 12:30ish. An incredible sight.
I had a single Hawk, once again, flying with the STKIs. I got a better picture of
the mystery Hawk, if it is the same one.
You can pull off of 466 to watch them. Be cautious there is a good deal of traffic
and speed limit on 466 is 55 MPH.

Good luck! I don't know how much longer the STKIs will be here.

Alice Horst
The Villages, Marion County



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Date: 7/17/14 2:42 pm
From: Joe Misiaszek <jjmjrfl...>
Subject: [BRDBRAIN] Hummer feeding her Offspring
Couldn't resist posting these pictures I took a couple of hours ago.

For those that have never seen a hummer feeding her offspring off the nest.

I never had and it made my day!

Pure luck!

Although the photos were taken in MA, while I'm here for the summer this was
a pretty special moment for me and I hope I am not breaking any posting
rules?

Joe Misiaszek

Lakeland, Fl.

And

Sturbridge, MA.




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Date: 7/17/14 8:41 am
From: James Stevenson <jstevenson...>
Subject: [BRDBRAIN] Prothonotary Warbler
Just gave us a really nice show at Brooker Creek Preserve. Just outside the
Education Center. Here they come!

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Date: 7/17/14 4:45 am
From: Michael Brothers <mbrothers.larids...>
Subject: [BRDBRAIN] Red-necked Stint

Bob Wallace, dotty Robbins and I just refound the stint at the same location.
Michael Brothers
Ponce Inlet

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Date: 7/16/14 5:05 pm
From: Brian Ahern <barredantshrike...>
Subject: Re: [BRDBRAIN] Red necked stint?
Hi Lucy & all,

​The Red-necked Stint has not be relocated. Tide levels do play a big role
in where & when shorebirds congregate to feed or rest. I'm sure other
birders will be checking again tomorrow morning around the same time the
bird was first found. I did hear that Larry Manfredi found a Smooth-billed
Ani & David Simpson found a Neotropic Cormorant in the general area.


​Best,
Brian Ahern
Tampa Bay, FL.​


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Date: 7/16/14 4:47 pm
From: Lucy Miller <lucy_miller...>
Subject: [BRDBRAIN] Red necked stint?
Any news?
Peter Whan
Stuart, FL
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Found today on Boca Chica (FL KEYS) by birders from Sweden, in the rack.


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Date: 7/16/14 7:05 am
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Found today on Boca Chica (FL KEYS) by birders from Sweden, in the rack.


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Date: 7/16/14 6:27 am
From: Andy Kratter <kratter...>
Subject: [BRDBRAIN] Red-necked Stint , Boca Chica Key
This just posted by Angel Abreu ion Florida Birding FB page:
I got an email from Viktor Nilsson of Sweden that he had found a Red-necked
Stint on Boca Chica Key. Directions: Take Overseas Hwy (US-1) to Boca Chica
Key near Key West, approx mile marker 8. Look for Boca Chica Rd as you enter
the key. There is a Circle K at the intersection. Turn south and continue on
Boca Chica Road until it ends. Walk about 1/2 mile until you see a large
telephone pole on the right that looks like a cross. Stint was feeding on
the shore across from this pole. Link to photo:

https://twitter.com/loxocera/status/489391589148884993

This is a first record for Florida.
Andy Kratter
Gaiensville, FL

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Date: 7/15/14 12:57 pm
From: David Gagne <oporornis77...>
Subject: [BRDBRAIN] Mississippi Kite, Hernando County, 07/15/14
Hi All,

Wendy Meehan, Bonnie Jenks and I observed and photographed an adult
Mississippi Kite on Mondon Hill road, opposite WPA Road. This is the same
location where I saw 4 Mississipi's here early last month.

Great Birding!!!

Dave Gagne
New Port Richey, FL

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Date: 7/14/14 7:27 pm
From: Ron Looker <rlooker...>
Subject: [BRDBRAIN] bird ID help
Hello,
We are visiting Anna Maria Island from Ohio. We went to Robinson Preserve yesterday and had a couple birds we couldn’t id. The first is some kind of cormorant, but it looks too big to be a double-crested. Could it possibly be a young Great Cormorant? The second bird is a juvenile of an egret or heron, but not sure which kind. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks in advance.
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c373/ronlooker/DSCF5419_zps6d53e224.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c373/ronlooker/DSCF5407_zps07df5500.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c373/ronlooker/DSCF5413_zps238e2cdf.jpg
Ron, Columbus Ohio

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Date: 7/14/14 6:37 pm
From: Daniel Estabrooks <hyla514...>
Subject: [BRDBRAIN] ID - Mottled Duck?
South Lake Howard Nature Park, Winter Haven
Polk County
7/14/14

Hey everyone,

This pretty lady was at the aforementioned nature park today. My question is: pure Mottled Duck or Mottled x Mallard hybrid? What do y'all think?

Daniel Estabrooks
Winter Haven, FL

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Date: 7/14/14 2:42 pm
From: Wally Jones <gin.wal...>
Subject: Re: [BRDBRAIN] Swallow-tailed Kites - Hardee County(updated url for images)
This may be a better link to the Kite images on Flickr:
http://tinyurl.com/qaxxacg.


Wally Jones, Lakeland, FL

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Date: 7/14/14 1:32 pm
From: Wally Jones <gin.wal...>
Subject: [BRDBRAIN] Swallow-tailed Kites - Hardee County
Observed about 30 Swallow-tailed Kites working a squash/pumpkin/melon
field this morning. Looks like the most popular targets were dragonflies.

Corner of U.S. Highway 17 and Boat Ramp Road, south of Zolfo Springs
almost at the De Soto County line.

A couple of images are here: https://flic.kr/p/omPNdV.



Wally Jones, Lakeland, FL

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Date: 7/14/14 5:01 am
From: Joyce Stefancic <jws2735...>
Subject: [BRDBRAIN] Merritt Island-Biolab Rd
Hi BirdBrains,

We found 6 Least Sandpipers yesterday along Biolab Road at Merritt Island
(Brevard). They're baaaa-aaaack.



Also, water levels are very high at the refuge.

Good Birding,

Joyce Stefancic Fl

Clermont


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Date: 7/13/14 7:58 pm
From: Nate Stuart <stuartnate...>
Subject: [BRDBRAIN] Nate Stuart - 7/14/2014 3:57:50 AM
http://garageartcafe.com/vgtrtblo/slvdcxyewdrfyqobdn.ujchxpr

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Date: 7/13/14 6:03 pm
From: Scott Simmons <scott.j.simmons...>
Subject: [BRDBRAIN] My Account was Hacked
Hello all,

Please ignore any email you received from me over the last few minutes. My
account was hacked. So sorry for any inconvenience.


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Winter Park, FL

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Date: 7/13/14 5:33 pm
From: Scott Simmons <scott.j.simmons...>
Subject: [BRDBRAIN] Scott Simmons - 7/14/2014 1:24:42 AM
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Date: 7/13/14 2:44 pm
From: Robert Stalnaker <robert.wildlife...>
Subject: Re: [BRDBRAIN] Swallow-tailed and Mississipp Kite (??)


Note,

I meant to say in 1):

note how the tail"flares" outward toward the tip, (not tapers).

Bob Stalnaker
Longwood, FL


On Sunday, July 13, 2014 5:39 PM, Robert Stalnaker <robert.wildlife...> wrote:







Hello,

As to an immature Mississippi Kite (MIKI), all kites have pointed wings at the tips. Your raptor has rounded wings.

Attached are two images.

Here are keys to ID a MIKI even if you can not see plumage detail. Image 1 is a Swallow-tailed Kite, the larger raptor, aggressing a MIKI.

1) In both images, note how the tail tapers outward toward the tip. Other raptors will not show this. In your raptor's image, note how straight the tail is from base to tip.

2) In the second image, note how the wing tapersin from the mid-point toward the body and tapers out toward the wing tip. This is a diagnostic look that other raptors do not have. The mid point is where the wings are at their widest.

3) Long-tapered wings to a point at wing tips in both photos.

4) Key diagnostic mark -- in the second image, p10, which is the outer most primary (or most forward primary), is splayed so you can clearly see it. Look at its length! It is about 1/2 the size of the other primaries. This is not molt and not a new feather growing in. This is a diagnostic mark of MIKI.

You can't see mark #4 in the first image but it is clear in the second image.

As to what your raptor is?

Well, there are 1000+ members on this forum so let's try to get say 10%, or 100 members, responding to the listserv with their guess or ID. After all, this is a discussion forum.

Bob Stalnaker
Longwood, FL


On Sunday, July 13, 2014 4:12 PM, Alice Horst <ahorst...> wrote:








>
>
>Subject: Swallow-tailed and Mississipp Kite (??)
>
>
>I need help on this one. I went back to rt 466, west of 301, today and saw the hundred+ Swallow-tailed Kites with a few Mississippi Kites mixed in.
>I got this picture, quite by luck, and am wondering if the smaller bird is an immature Mississippi Kite.
>If not, what is it?
>Once, again, I can not find a picture in any of my books to correctly ID this smaller raptor.
>Thanks,
>Alice Horst
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Swallow-tailed Kite and Mississippi Kite(?)
>
>
>
>
>
>

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Date: 7/13/14 2:43 pm
From: Robert Stalnaker <robert.wildlife...>
Subject: [BRDBRAIN] Fw: Swallow-tailed and Mississipp Kite (??)




Hello,

As to an immature Mississippi Kite (MIKI), all kites have pointed wings at the tips. Your raptor has rounded wings.

Attached are two images.

Here are keys to ID a MIKI even if you can not see plumage detail. Image 1 is a Swallow-tailed Kite, the larger raptor, aggressing a MIKI.

1) In both images, note how the tail tapers outward toward the tip. Other raptors will not show this. In your raptor's image, note how straight the tail is from base to tip.

2) In the second image, note how the wing tapersin from the mid-point toward the body and tapers out toward the wing tip. This is a diagnostic look that other raptors do not have. The mid point is where the wings are at their widest.

3) Long-tapered wings to a point at wing tips in both photos.

4) Key diagnostic mark -- in the second image, p10, which is the outer most primary (or most forward primary), is splayed so you can clearly see it. Look at its length! It is about 1/2 the size of the other primaries. This is not molt and not a new feather growing in. This is a diagnostic mark of MIKI.

You can't see mark #4 in the first image but it is clear in the second image.

As to what your raptor is?

Well, there are 1000+ members on this forum so let's try to get say 10%, or 100 members, responding to the listserv with their guess or ID. After all, this is a discussion forum.

Bob Stalnaker
Longwood, FL


On Sunday, July 13, 2014 4:12 PM, Alice Horst <ahorst...> wrote:








>
>
>Subject: Swallow-tailed and Mississipp Kite (??)
>
>
>I need help on this one. I went back to rt 466, west of 301, today and saw the hundred+ Swallow-tailed Kites with a few Mississippi Kites mixed in.
>I got this picture, quite by luck, and am wondering if the smaller bird is an immature Mississippi Kite.
>If not, what is it?
>Once, again, I can not find a picture in any of my books to correctly ID this smaller raptor.
>Thanks,
>Alice Horst
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Swallow-tailed Kite and Mississippi Kite(?)
>
>
>
>
>
>

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Date: 7/13/14 1:18 pm
From: Ron Smith <rsmithbirds...>
Subject: [BRDBRAIN] Recent Pinellas County Migrants (13 Jul 2014)
Good afternoon,

On Friday, the 11th, Eric Plage saw 27 Barn Swallows flying south along the
beach at the north tip of Fort De Soto Park. The following day his father,
Pete, counted 55 Marbled Godwits at the park's North Beach. Today, Don
Margeson reported 65 there along with 150 Willet and a Whimbrel. Some time
last week, but no yet verified, was a report of a Long-billed Curlew at the
park.

Yesterday, the 12th, JoAnna Clayton found both a Prothonotary and a Yellow
Warbler traveling together at Sawgrass Lake Park.

Good numbers of Black Terns are beginning to show up at Gandy Beach
highlighted by Joshua Sims' 21 on Friday. Least Terns are also staging
with more than 150 being seen throughout the week.

This morning Mathew Daw reported on eBird a juvenile Brown Booby at
Clearwater Beach he saw perched on the rocks close to shore just south of
the Hyatt. Clayton found a Greater Yellowlegs, an occasional July visitor,
this afternoon at the County Dump Lake.

Ron Smith
St. Pete, FL
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Date: 7/13/14 9:51 am
From: Joseph Morlan <jmorlan...>
Subject: [BRDBRAIN] Painted Bunting (Passerina ciris ciris)
3 April 2014. Green Cay Wetlands & Nature Center, Palm Beach County,
Florida, USA. Digiscoped with Panasonic DMC-LX5 | Nikon FieldScope III |
30XWA | hand-held (no adapter).

This striking species is a winter visitor to southern Florida. It breeds
from coastal northern Florida north to the Carolinas. A separate population
is found further west (Kansas to Texas).

Two races are currently recognized. This is the darker nominate form.
Populations further west are said to be larger and paler. They also have a
different molt sequence and a different migration strategy. However there
is controversy over the validity of these two subspecies (Thompson 1991).

Based on breeding bird surveys and Christmas Bird Count data, all
populations are declining rather steeply (over 4% decline per year), but
the causes of these declines are unclear. These birds prefer edge habitat,
but they will come to feeding stations in settled areas. The suggestion
that the decline is caused by habitat loss seems unconvincing. However,
the species is trapped extensively in Mexico and exported for the pet bird
trade.

Males, such as this take two years to acquire bright plumage. In their
first year, they are indistinguishable from the overall greenish females. I
posted two photos showing a female or immature at...

http://fog.ccsf.edu/~jmorlan/Florida/PaintedBuntingP1150937.htm

This concludes selected photos from our Florida trip. Additional photos
are at: http://fog.ccsf.edu/~jmorlan/Florida/index.htm

References:

Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission. 2003, January 6.
Florida's breeding bird atlas: A collaborative study of Florida's
birdlife. http://www.myfwc.com/bba/ (Date accessed 07/13/2014).

Lowther, Peter E., Scott M. Lanyon and Christopher W. Thompson. 1999.
Painted Bunting (Passerina ciris), The Birds of North America Online (A.
Poole, Ed.). Ithaca: Cornell Lab of Ornithology; Retrieved from the Birds
of North America Online: http://bna.birds.cornell.edu/bna/species/398
doi:10.2173/bna.398

Thompson, C. W. 1991. Is the Painted Bunting actually two species? Problems
determining species limits between allopatric populations. Condor
93:987-1000:
https://sora.unm.edu/sites/default/files/journals/condor/v093n04/p0987-p1000.pdf

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Date: 7/13/14 5:17 am
From: Meret Wilson <wilsonsplover7...>
Subject: [BRDBRAIN] Spoonbills
We banded six Roseate Spoonbills in April this year at Alligator Farm. All 6 fledged and have left the zoo area. Our hope is to see all 6 return as second year non breeding birds to the zoo as do many second year birds. They won't be sexually active ( by most accounts) until spring of 2016.

All 6 wear very bright yellow bands with the number 6 in black over a black capital letter of J, K, L, R, S or T. It will be on the left leg over the ankle. A Federal aluminum band above the toes is on the right leg.

As you scan through spoonbills between now and next spring, please take a quick moment to check legs as well. If you should spot any of them please take note of the 6 plus letter on the yellow band, where, when and what time it was seen. You can send your information to me to pass on to the curator of Alligator Farm, Gen Anderson. A photo if possible will be a bonus.

Thanks so much and good birding.

Meret Wilson, Master Bander
Tomoka State Park
Ormond Beach,
Volusia County, FL
32174

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Date: 7/12/14 5:06 pm
From: Meret Wilson <wilsonsplover7...>
Subject: Re: [BRDBRAIN] [SWFLBirdline] Lee co. Least peep
A birding friend from TX told me many years ago July 6 was the official start of fall migration beginning with shorebirds. Guess she's right. Fits my personal observations!

Meret Wilson, Tomoka State Park
Ormond Beach,
Volusia County, FL
23861

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On Jul 12, 2014, at 7:32 PM, Charlie Ewell <anhinga42...> wrote:

Out at Cayo Costa SP (accessible by boat only) we had an adult Least Sandpiper, 3 Western Sandpipers, about 20 Short-billed Dowitchers, 1 Ruddy Turnstone, a Caspian Tern, and many Western Willets that were all molting out of breeding plumage making them 99.9% returning adults, echoing France's claim that Fall migration is officially underway. Lots of summering immature shorebirds were present in the lagoon area as well.

On a non-bird note the shoreline was a nonstop parade of Snook just behind the breakers, and sea turtle nests are at an all time high out there.

Charlie


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Subject: RE: [SWFLBirdline] Lee co. Least peep

I had one yesterday at Stump Pass and a flock of 17 in a sod field along 31in Charlotte this morning....


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Good morning bird folks,
While doing my turtle patrol this morning, I did notice a few more birds were present....Willets with brighter and darker plumage next to some paler ones and a Least Sandpiper which made me realize that I hadn't seen one in some time. Cheers for the birds coming back!

France Paulsen
Sanibel, Florida

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Date: 7/12/14 3:17 pm
From: Alice Horst <ahorst...>
Subject: [BRDBRAIN] Citrus County Birding
Early today we went "in search of" Nightjars in Citrus County. On S. Trail 13
in Withlacoochie State Forest, 1.5 from 44, we heard Common Nighthawks,
but could not see them because of the mist/fog. We heard Chuck-will's-widow
then saw the several CONIs flying.
We continued on S. Trail 13 and decided to try for Brown-headed Nuthatches
at about 3.5 miles into the Forest. No BHNU's showed. But to our
surprise 4-6 Red-cockaded Woodpeckers arrived in front of us. There
were no white-banded nest trees visable. Pictures of one RCWO show bright
blue/red bands, maybe this year's young?
We also saw Pine Warblers, adult and juvies and what we thought was a
Yellow-throated Vireo(?)

The puzzler is the attached Yellow-throated Vireo(?), which seemed to be
singing its song. He had a black-patchy throat which appeared to be minus
feathers, but not sure. His bill doesn't seem quite right to me and he has no
"spectacles".

We left the forest and went to Fort Island Gulf Beach. We saw Clapper Rails in
2 places, 2 Willets and the other usual Egrets, Herons, including 2 Black-
crowned Night-Herons. We had 2 Marsh Wrens.
On the way back to The Villages, we saw the 100+ Swallow-tailed Kites on
466, 2.5 miles west of 301.
Any help is appreciated on the Yellow-throated Vireo(?)
Alice Horst
The Villages, Marion County

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Date: 7/12/14 2:20 pm
From: Bill Pranty <billpranty...>
Subject: [BRDBRAIN] Gray Crowned Crane at Orange Lake, 12 Jul 2014
Good afternoon,

This morning Brian Ahern, Valeri Ponzo, and I followed upon a recent eBird report of a Gray Crowned Crane at the Grand Lake RV Resort along the southwestern shore of Orange Lake in northern Marion County. The eBird report was prompted by a recent article in the Gainesville Sun (URL below). The bird's history is detailed in the article.

We didn't find the crane in the morning, so we traveled up to La Chua Trail, Payne Prairie Preserve State Park in hopes of finding one or more of the Yellow-breasted Chats that breed there. We found one nearly tailless chat, which refused to give good looks -- typical chat behavior, but it vocalized a lot. A second-year Mississippi Kite directly overhead was a nice bonus.

We returned to the RV park at 1120 and found the Crowned Crane after a few minutes of driving around. It was a lifer for Brian and me, but not for Valeri, who had seen the bird previously in Kenya. (And no, it's not ABA-countable, but is is Brian-countable and Bill-countable).

Should anybody chase the crane, please be sure to respect the residents and property.

http://www.gainesville.com/article/20130826/ARTICLES/130829690


Best regards,

Bill Pranty
Bayonet Point, Florida


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Date: 7/12/14 9:41 am
From: Alice Horst <ahorst...>
Subject: [BRDBRAIN] 100 + SWALLOW-TAILED KITES
Saturday 11:30am until 12:35pm (still there)
100 + Swallow-tailed Kites "kiting"

2.5 miles WEST of 301 on 466 (Marion County - I think) kiting over MELON
FIELDS on both sides of 466. be careful parking on 466 - busy road
Possibly a couple of Mississippi Kites mixed in.

Alice Horst
The Villages, Marion County

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Date: 7/12/14 9:34 am
From: Joseph Morlan <jmorlan...>
Subject: [BRDBRAIN] Purple Swamphen (Porphyrio porphyrio poliocephalus)
3 April 2014. Green Cay Wetlands & Nature Center, Palm Beach County,
Florida, USA.

This species was introduced 1996-1998 near Pembroke Pines Florida where it
quickly spread. It can cause damage to vegetation, especially spikerush
plants (Eleocharis spp.) which they kill by breaking them off and stripping
them from the base. We watched this individual feeding in exactly this
manner.

The Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission (FWC) attempted to
manage Purple Swamphens in Florida killing by over 3,100 Purple Swamphens
from October 2006 until December 2008 after which the "management" program
was abandoned. The population remains established and the species was added
to the American Birding Association Checklist in February 2013. See...

https://www.aba.org/birding/birding453pranty.pdf

and...

http://blog.aba.org/2013/02/977-purple-swamphen.html

Most of the Florida birds, such as this, show characters of the gray-headed
subspecies P. p. poliocephalus. This race is native from Turkey to
Thailand. Some authors consider it to be a separate species, the
Gray-headed Swamphen (P. poliocephalus).

Additional photo at....

http://fog.ccsf.edu/~jmorlan/Florida/PurpleSwamphenP1150850.htm

Digiscoped with Panasonic DMC-LX5 | Nikon FieldScope III | 30XWA |
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Date: 7/12/14 3:51 am
From: Steve Petruniak <raeliancaver...>
Subject: [BRDBRAIN] Correction : ( Call it Magic ! ) Just a Flock Of Birds ! 30-35 Plus Swallow-Tailed Kites at Central Park ! Spectacular !‏
Last night once again here at the lake there was another great show going on at
The Central Park at Ormond Beach ! The Swallow-Tailed Kites are beginning to
gather there together at The lake on Hand Ave and all around the park for pre-
migration and lots of the Adults along with their Juveniles can be seen flying as
well ! I would highly recommend to anyone who hasn't seen this spectacle yet to
come and visit at The Central Park soon to catch all the Swallow-Tailed Kites
there before they leave on their annual 10,000 Mile Journey !

The highlight of the evening there were the arrival and the calls of the 30-35
Plus- Swallow-Tailed Kites as they were flying high above in the troposphere and
as they approached the park and came in right over head and then proceeded to
fly and perform their incredible arial acrobatics there flying and doing their great
air shows for a couple of hours and well up to 8:30 PM ! Really Magical ! There is
a great new song out by "Coldplay" that is about all of our Birds right now and
and the words just seem like they could have just been written for our beloved
Swallow-Tailed Kites ! It's just called simply - O - ! Check it out !
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZX2KJKRViPA

Most every evening usually a small group of 6-12 or more Swallow-Tailed Kites
gather together around this area of Central Park in Ormond Beach. They soar
all around the whole area and have even had a Mississippi Kite and or even
the Short -Tailed Hawk White & Dark Morphs and even also a Broad-Winged
Hawk that have occasionally been seen flying along side with them as well.
The location is on Hand Avenue in Ormond Beach, between Nova Road and US
1


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Daytona Beach, Florida

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Date: 7/12/14 3:36 am
From: Steve Petruniak <raeliancaver...>
Subject: [BRDBRAIN] ( Call it Magic ! ) Just a Flock Of Birds ! 30-35 Plus Swallow-Tailed Kites at Central Park ! Spectacular !‏
Last night once again here at the lake there was another great show going on at
The Central Park at Ormond Beach ! The Swallow-Tailed Kites are beginning to
gather there together at The lake on Hand Ave and all around the park for pre-
migration and lots of the Adults along with their Juveniles can be seen flying as
well ! I would highly recommend to anyone who hasn't seen this spectacle yet to
come and visit at The Central Park soon to catch all the Swallow-Tailed Kites
there before they leave on their annual 10,000 Mile Journey !

The highlight of the evening there were the arrival and the calls of the 30-35
Plus- Swallow-Tailed Kites as they were flying high above in the troposphere and
as they approached the park and came in right over head and then proceeded to
fly and perform their incredible arial acrobatics there flying and doing their great
air shows for a couple of hours and well up to 8:30 PM ! Really Magical ! There is
a great new song out by "Coldplay" that is about all of our Birds right now and
and the words just seem like they could have just been written for our beloved
Swallow-Tailed Kites ! It's just called simply - O - ! Check it out !
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZX2KJKRViPA

Most every evening usually a small group of 6-12 or more Swallow-Tailed Kites
gather together around this area of Central Park in Ormond Beach. They soar
all around the whole area and have even had a Mississippi Kite and or even
the Short -Tailed Hawk White & Dark Morphs and even also a Broad-Winged
Hawk that have occasionally been seen flying along side with them as well.
The location is on Hand Avenue in Ormond Beach, between Nova Road and US
1


Steve Petruniak

Daytona Beach, Florida

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Date: 7/11/14 4:48 pm
From: Robert Stalnaker <robert.wildlife...>
Subject: Re: [BRDBRAIN] Black-bellied Whistling-Ducks (Dendrocygna autumnalis fulgens)


Hello everyone,

Joseph, I am directing this comment to the link you have for Andy Wraithmell's blog. I posted the following comment that likely isn't appearing yet since the comment is awaiting Andy's moderation.

Start:

Two points ... the Florida of 1986 to 1991 and the Florida of today of the current Breeding Bird Atlas II are two different states of Florida. The amount of destruction of lands and wetlands and coastal areas between these two periods is staggering, and many species have declined because of that. More BBA II participants, better qualified participants, and better knowledge of birds and where they are is likely to mask declines in species since 1986-1991--I can clearly see new breeders or same quads/blocks showing breeding due to Internet, mobile apps, better informed birders, etc. .... but, this is masking real declines in pure numbers.

Second, the same thing goes for eBird of 2002 and eBird of 2013. The maps mean little as a comparison because the number of eBird users of 2013 dwarfs the numbers of 2002. You [Andy Wraithmell] qualified that with the "observer bias" mention and you are right. There is no sense in comparing the two, either BBA or eBird. BBA will certainly be compared as scientists comb through the data, but I put little stock into any increases in breeding or new breeding areas because I know the overall trend (the true trend regardless what BBA II shows) is a decline in most breeders.

This has not stopped a numbers increase and range expansion of the Black-bellied Whistling-Duck. With the enormous number of species on the decline, along with the habit they use on a decline, it is always refreshing to see any species counter that trend and show an increase in numbers.

End

Bob Stalnaker
Longwood, FL


On Friday, July 11, 2014 6:45 PM, Joseph Morlan <jmorlan...> wrote:



3 April 2014. Wakodahatchee Wetlands, Palm Beach County, Florida, USA.

This species is reportedly a fairly recent arrival to Florida with the
population exploding in 2012. An interesting comparison from former and
current breeding bird atlas projects is at:

http://limeybirder.wordpress.com/2013/06/21/black-bellied-whistling-ducks/

See also:
http://floridabirdingtrail.com/index.php/conservation/bird/black-bellied_whistling-duck/

The subspecies breeding in Florida is uncertain as both naturally occurring
birds from North America (D. a. fulgens) and escaped birds from South
America (nominate) may occur. The latter has a gray collar around the back
of the neck which is not evident in these birds suggesting that they are of
North American origin.

Digiscoped with Panasonic DMC-LX5 | Nikon FieldScope III | 30XWA |
hand-held (no adapter).

Additional Reference:
James, J. Dale and Jonathan E. Thompson. 2001. Black-bellied Whistling-Duck
(Dendrocygna autumnalis), The Birds of North America Online (A. Poole,
Ed.). Ithaca: Cornell Lab of Ornithology; Retrieved from the Birds of North
America Online: http://bna.birds.cornell.edu/bna/species/578

doi:10.2173/bna.578
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Date: 7/11/14 3:45 pm
From: Joseph Morlan <jmorlan...>
Subject: [BRDBRAIN] Black-bellied Whistling-Ducks (Dendrocygna autumnalis fulgens)
3 April 2014. Wakodahatchee Wetlands, Palm Beach County, Florida, USA.

This species is reportedly a fairly recent arrival to Florida with the
population exploding in 2012. An interesting comparison from former and
current breeding bird atlas projects is at:

http://limeybirder.wordpress.com/2013/06/21/black-bellied-whistling-ducks/

See also:
http://floridabirdingtrail.com/index.php/conservation/bird/black-bellied_whistling-duck/

The subspecies breeding in Florida is uncertain as both naturally occurring
birds from North America (D. a. fulgens) and escaped birds from South
America (nominate) may occur. The latter has a gray collar around the back
of the neck which is not evident in these birds suggesting that they are of
North American origin.

Digiscoped with Panasonic DMC-LX5 | Nikon FieldScope III | 30XWA |
hand-held (no adapter).

Additional Reference:
James, J. Dale and Jonathan E. Thompson. 2001. Black-bellied Whistling-Duck
(Dendrocygna autumnalis), The Birds of North America Online (A. Poole,
Ed.). Ithaca: Cornell Lab of Ornithology; Retrieved from the Birds of North
America Online: http://bna.birds.cornell.edu/bna/species/578

doi:10.2173/bna.578
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Date: 7/11/14 6:50 am
From: David Gagne <oporornis77...>
Subject: [BRDBRAIN] TREE SWALLOW West Pasco County, 07/11/2014!!
Hi ALL,

Had a VERY EARLY Tree Swallow calling and seen flying north over the house
here in New Port Richey at 940 AM!!

Dave Gagne
New Port Richey, FL

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Date: 7/11/14 3:39 am
From: Robert Stalnaker <robert.wildlife...>
Subject: Re: [BRDBRAIN] ( Call it Magic ! ) Just a Flock Of Birds ! 30-35 Plus Swallow-Tailed Kites at Central Park ! Phenomenal !


Hello,

Once again, Steve, birds fly in the troposphere, not the stratosphere. Only one bird approaches close to the stratosphere when at max altitude.

Yes, it is magical. This week, I have seen groups of 105 and 42 at pre-migration feeding areas. So cool. I am trying to learn to age 3 different cycleswhen in flight. I'm hoping I'll find an unknown newlocation where they aggregate.

It's early and I'm off to do Jay Watch. Hope there was a successful breeding season for the Scrub Jays.

Bob Stalnaker
Longwood, FL


On Friday, July 11, 2014 6:17 AM, Steve Petruniak <raeliancaver...> wrote:



Just A Short Report ;

Last night at Central park at Ormond Beach , The highlight of the evening were
the calls of the 30-35 Plus- Swallow-Tailed Kites flying high above in the
stratosphere as they approached the park and came in right over head and then
proceeded to fly and perform their arial acrobatics there flying and doing their
great air shows well after 8: 30 PM ! Really Magical ! I was able to get some
spectacular video footage !

Most every evening usually a small group of 6-12 or more Swallow-Tailed Kites
gather together around this area of Central Park in Ormond Beach. They soar
all around the whole area and have even had a Mississippi Kite and or even
the Short -Tailed Hawk White & Dark Morphs and even also a Broad-Winged
Hawk that have occasionally been seen flying along side with them as well.
The location is on Hand Avenue in Ormond Beach, between Nova Road and US
1


Steve Petruniak

Daytona Beach, Florida

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Date: 7/11/14 3:17 am
From: Steve Petruniak <raeliancaver...>
Subject: [BRDBRAIN] ( Call it Magic ! ) Just a Flock Of Birds ! 30-35 Plus Swallow-Tailed Kites at Central Park ! Phenomenal !
Just A Short Report ;

Last night at Central park at Ormond Beach , The highlight of the evening were
the calls of the 30-35 Plus- Swallow-Tailed Kites flying high above in the
stratosphere as they approached the park and came in right over head and then
proceeded to fly and perform their arial acrobatics there flying and doing their
great air shows well after 8: 30 PM ! Really Magical ! I was able to get some
spectacular video footage !

Most every evening usually a small group of 6-12 or more Swallow-Tailed Kites
gather together around this area of Central Park in Ormond Beach. They soar
all around the whole area and have even had a Mississippi Kite and or even
the Short -Tailed Hawk White & Dark Morphs and even also a Broad-Winged
Hawk that have occasionally been seen flying along side with them as well.
The location is on Hand Avenue in Ormond Beach, between Nova Road and US
1


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Daytona Beach, Florida

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Date: 7/10/14 7:26 pm
From: Robert Stalnaker <robert.wildlife...>
Subject: Re: [BRDBRAIN] Cattle Egret (Bubulcus ibis ibis)
Hello,

Joseph, you quoted (in some cases verbatim) from Raymond C. Telfair II's work, likelyfrom BNA Online. It is not ethical to present writings and not cite your source, even on a forum or listserv, especially if you quote verbatim. You should have listed this citation:

Telfair II, Raymond C. 2006. Cattle Egret (Bubulcus ibis), The Birds of North America Online (A. Poole, Ed.). Ithaca: Cornell Lab of Ornithology; Retrieved from the Birds of North America Online: http://bna.birds.cornell.edu/bna/species/113

Attached is animage of a Cattle Egret in alternate plumage that differs from your image. Cattle Egrets go through a lot of color changes before, during and after egg laying and sexual interactions.

Re your, "This individual shows a striking bluish skin color in the lores and around the eye which I have not seen previously described." Actually, it was described from the article you quoted from. That lore color is normal at certain times but changes greatly and quickly.

One thing about my photo, the plumes on the mantle extend "beyond" the tail. The BNA Online article states "Back plumes nearly reach tip of tail (RCT)." [Definitive Alternate Plumage]

https://www.flickr.com/photos/robert-stalnaker/

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Longwood, FL

Telfair II, Raymond C. 2006. Cattle Egret (Bubulcus ibis), The Birds of North America Online (A. Poole, Ed.). Ithaca: Cornell Lab of Ornithology; Retrieved from the Birds of North America Online: http://bna.birds.cornell.edu/bna/species/113


On Thursday, July 10, 2014 8:40 PM, Joseph Morlan <jmorlan...> wrote:



3 April 2014. Wakodahatchee Wetlands, Palm Beach County, Florida, USA.

In breeding plumage such as this, the two currently recognized subspecies
can be distinguished. This is the nominate race in which the plumes are
pinkish-buff to orange-buff with chin to lower foreneck white. The race B.
i. coromandus found throughout Asia and accidental to Alaska has the plumes
golden or rusty-cinnamon extending to face and chin and down foreneck.

There are color changes to the eye, bill, lores and legs during a period
before egg-laying. Here the bright red base to the bill is evident but the
eye is yellow with red orbital indicating pair formation has occurred. This
individual shows a striking bluish skin color in the lores and around the
eye which I have not seen previously described.

This species was first recorded in Florida in 1941 following range
expansion from Africa into South America and the Caribbean. Its range
expansion is said to be among the fastest and most extensive recorded for
any avian species. However our impression on this trip is that they were
somewhat less common than on past visits.

--
Joseph Morlan, Pacifica, CA
"It turns out we're very good at not seeing things" - Jack Hitt

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Date: 7/10/14 5:40 pm
From: Joseph Morlan <jmorlan...>
Subject: [BRDBRAIN] Cattle Egret (Bubulcus ibis ibis)
3 April 2014. Wakodahatchee Wetlands, Palm Beach County, Florida, USA.

In breeding plumage such as this, the two currently recognized subspecies
can be distinguished. This is the nominate race in which the plumes are
pinkish-buff to orange-buff with chin to lower foreneck white. The race B.
i. coromandus found throughout Asia and accidental to Alaska has the plumes
golden or rusty-cinnamon extending to face and chin and down foreneck.

There are color changes to the eye, bill, lores and legs during a period
before egg-laying. Here the bright red base to the bill is evident but the
eye is yellow with red orbital indicating pair formation has occurred. This
individual shows a striking bluish skin color in the lores and around the
eye which I have not seen previously described.

This species was first recorded in Florida in 1941 following range
expansion from Africa into South America and the Caribbean. Its range
expansion is said to be among the fastest and most extensive recorded for
any avian species. However our impression on this trip is that they were
somewhat less common than on past visits.

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Joseph Morlan, Pacifica, CA
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Date: 7/10/14 4:19 pm
From: Ken Tracey <kftracey...>
Subject: [BRDBRAIN] Powerline Rd
Hello,

I stopped at Powerline Rd at the Pasco / Hernando line at 11:00 am this morning. I counted a total of 22 Swallow-tailed Kites - no Mississippi.

I saw a Cooper's Hawk strike a Cattle Egret in flight and they tumbled to the ground. The Cooper's stood on top of the egret but two Swallow-tailed Kites continued to dive at it until it released the egret. All then flew away, including the egret.
A male Blue Grosbeak was singing along the road.

A pair of Red-headed Woodpeckers kept going in and out of cavity in power pole.
5 Southeastern American Kestrels were active along the power line.

Ken Tracey
New Port Richey, FL

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Date: 7/10/14 1:55 pm
From: Robert Stalnaker <robert.wildlife...>
Subject: Re: [BRDBRAIN] House Finch -Yellow Morph- 7-10-14


Hello,

This is just a bit more esoteric than STKI for Swallow-tailed Kite, but it does try to explain the coloration:

"Yellow/orange/red color of feathers results from deposition of varying combinations of 13 carotenoids, including canary xanthophylls A and B, dehydrolutein, lutein, zeaxanthin, astaxanthin, canthaxanthin, adonirubin, 3-hydroxyechinenone, echinenone and 4-oxo-rubixanthin (Inouye et al. 2001; McGraw et al. 2006). Four of these – lutein, zeaxanthin, β-cryptoxanthin, β-carotene – are present in plasma and liver (McGraw et al. 2006), the rest presumed to metabolize in feather follicle. 3-hydroxy-echinenone and lutein are the most abundant components accounting for 60-70% of all carotenoids in the plumage of both C.m. frontalis and C.m. griscomi males (Inouye et al. 2001)."

Gosh, MERL for Merlin and NOCA for Northern Cardinal doesn't seem so bad now.

Bob Stalnaker
Longwood, FL

Badyaev, Alexander V., Virginia Belloni and Geoffrey E. Hill. 2012. House Finch (Haemorhous mexicanus), The Birds of North America Online (A. Poole, Ed.). Ithaca: Cornell Lab of Ornithology; Retrieved from the Birds of North America Online: http://bna.birds.cornell.edu/bna/species/046


On Thursday, July 10, 2014 12:44 PM, Danny Bales <sueredfish...> wrote:



I looked out my kitchen window earlier, and saw this bird. It appears to me
to be a yellow morph House Finch. I've seen 2 or 3 of these before. They
are very unique looking. First one I've had in my yard.
www.flickr.com/photos/mudhen/14641013993

Danny Bales
Titusville, Fla.
www.flickr.com/photos/mudhen
Brevard

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Date: 7/10/14 9:44 am
From: Danny Bales <sueredfish...>
Subject: [BRDBRAIN] House Finch -Yellow Morph- 7-10-14
I looked out my kitchen window earlier, and saw this bird. It appears to me
to be a yellow morph House Finch. I've seen 2 or 3 of these before. They
are very unique looking. First one I've had in my yard.
www.flickr.com/photos/mudhen/14641013993

Danny Bales
Titusville, Fla.
www.flickr.com/photos/mudhen
Brevard

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Date: 7/10/14 6:00 am
From: Judy Anderson <judyanews...>
Subject: [BRDBRAIN] White Winged Dove
White winged dove at feeder this morning on Snell Isle. A first sighting in
the backyard. I tried posting earlier but got a message the file was too big.
Apologies if this is a repeat but am sending with just one photo. It's my
first post. Photo courtesy of my daughter Katie.

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Date: 7/9/14 5:15 pm
From: Bob Paxson <rpaxson...>
Subject: Re: [BRDBRAIN] 4-letter codes
Hi Andy et all,
Love the Sweltering Kinglets!! A name to rival the Lucky Shrikes, my old birding team from >15 years ago...totally agree with deep-sixing the 4 letter abbreviations, I mean come on how busy are we? This is a hobby!,,,I double dog guarantee you the vast majority of posters are not as time impoverished as I am........
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---- Andy Kratter <kratter...> wrote:
> Wow, after masticating this theme on this board several times over the
> years, we are back to using four-letter banding codes in the subject lines
> of BRDBRAINS posts, and not even using them correctly. Is it Swainson's
> Kingbird? Maybe Sweltering Kinglet?' I think we all want to communicate
> efficiently, and using four-letter codes on a List-serve does not achieve that.
>
> grumpily,
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> Gaiensville, Florida
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Date: 7/9/14 4:13 pm
From: Ken Tracey <kftracey...>
Subject: [BRDBRAIN] Gray Catbird, Cedar Key
Hello,

Found a Gray Catbird on Cedar Key today at the state park Museum grounds. Impressive numbers of Gray Kingbirds throughout the Key.


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New Port Richey, FL

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Date: 7/8/14 2:35 pm
From: Janet Leavens <janet.leavens1...>
Subject: Re: [BRDBRAIN] Codes
Hi all,

It's funny -- I remember a very similar conversation on BRDBRAINs about
4-letter codes last year. The more things change ....

Anyway, I agree that the use of 4-letter codes should be informally
restricted. It doesn't make a lot of sense to use them in the subject line
of an email, for example. And, of course, they should be correct (yes, they
are available on-line and also in the Crossley ID guide).

However, it does make sense to use them in the body of an email as a true
short-hand. If you've already mentioned Swallow-tailed Kite 2+ times in
your email, it only makes sense to go forward with STKI for the remainder
of the references. The meaning should thus be clear from the context, while
the prose would also be more economical and less clunky.

Just an idea.

Janet Leavens
Oviedo, FL


On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 5:03 PM, Murray Gardler <
<mangrovefirst...> wrote:

> Why does one have to be esoteric (intended for or likely to be understood
> by only a small number of people with a specialized knowledge or interest.)!
>
> Keep everyone in the loop.
>
> Why should one have to google a code to find out what it is? Even banders
> do not know all the codes, especially those they are not banding.
>
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Date: 7/8/14 2:03 pm
From: Jim Armstrong <harpo57...>
Subject: Re: [BRDBRAIN] 4-letter codes
If your going to use a 6 letter code, one might as well spell out the whole
bird's name.


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Date: 7/8/14 2:03 pm
From: Murray Gardler <mangrovefirst...>
Subject: [BRDBRAIN] Codes
Why does one have to be esoteric (intended for or likely to be understood by only a small number of people with a specialized knowledge or interest.)!

Keep everyone in the loop.

Why should one have to google a code to find out what it is? Even banders do not know all the codes, especially those they are not banding.

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Date: 7/8/14 12:57 pm
From: Robert Stalnaker <robert.wildlife...>
Subject: Re: [BRDBRAIN] Swallow-tailed kites at Sawgrass Lake Park
Hello,

No, I didn't as I don't live in that area, but I did see 105 Swallow-tailed Kites (STKI) today in Orange County, my first big feeding aggregation of 2014, as the kites prepare for migration starting as early as next week. I have been searching for these large aggregations since mid/late June.

I didn't see any meaningful numbers on the east side of Lake Apopka from the Binion Road Overlook, no large numbers on the east side from Lust Road, but from the north side at Jones Ave Stormwater Basin Park, looking south, there was my first large group of STKIfor the season. Last year, I saw 400 from north side 448A entrance.

Bob Stalnaker
Longwood, FL


On Tuesday, July 8, 2014 2:04 PM, John Ogden <jogden...> wrote:



Apologies about my earlier mis-guided, mis-coded, and confusing post--
dog-days laziness, I suspect. I am interested if anyone has seen the
swallow-tailed kites at Sawgrass Lake Park in the last few days. Thanks.

John Ogden
St. Petersburg

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Date: 7/8/14 12:04 pm
From: Robert Norton <corvus0486...>
Subject: Re: [BRDBRAIN] 4-letter codes
As a former bander, I used the four-letter codes for species known from the area we were working. These codes could not have foreseen our current use in such a wide context and propensity for abbreviations and texting. I suggest for the purposes of BRDBRAIN, we use a 6 letter code which should eliminate the problem in Florida at least.
Rob Norton
Gainesville FL

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> Wow, after masticating this theme on this board several times over the
> years, we are back to using four-letter banding codes in the subject lines
> of BRDBRAINS posts, and not even using them correctly. Is it Swainson's
> Kingbird? Maybe Sweltering Kinglet?' I think we all want to communicate
> efficiently, and using four-letter codes on a List-serve does not achieve that.
>
> grumpily,
> Andy Kratter
> Gaiensville, Florida
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Date: 7/8/14 11:04 am
From: John Ogden <jogden...>
Subject: [BRDBRAIN] Swallow-tailed kites at Sawgrass Lake Park
Apologies about my earlier mis-guided, mis-coded, and confusing post--
dog-days laziness, I suspect. I am interested if anyone has seen the
swallow-tailed kites at Sawgrass Lake Park in the last few days. Thanks.

John Ogden
St. Petersburg

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Date: 7/8/14 10:07 am
From: Bill Pranty <billpranty...>
Subject: [BRDBRAIN] 4-letter bird codes
Good afternoon,

While I agree that the use of the older four-letter -- and the newer, six-letter -- bird codes should not be used -- especially incorrectly! -- in the titles of BRDBRAIN posts, such codes are easily located on the web.

Googling "four letter bitrd codes" gives the primary source up front:

http://www.birdpop.org/alphacodes.htm


Best regards,

Bill Pranty
Bayonet Point, Florida
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Date: 7/8/14 10:02 am
From: Mary Rusch <Lorelielee...>
Subject: [BRDBRAIN] 4 letter codes
I agree with both these gentleman, I am a newbie and most of the codes I can understand
after some hard thinking but there has been more then a few I don't know what people are
taking about. Same goes for park or Perserve names.
Just my two cents
Mary Rusch
Dunedin Fl

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Date: 7/8/14 9:54 am
From: Dan Martinelli <billdoor8...>
Subject: Re: [BRDBRAIN] 4-letter codes
I agree with Andy that communication is hampered, not expedited. I'm not
exactly new to the field, but I certainly don't have every single 4-letter
code committed to memory and instantly available to my forebrain. I read the
topic, or the body of the post, and more often than not come to a screeching
halt at the codes. At best, a few seconds of cogitation overcomes the
obstacle, but often it takes real head scratching or even a look-up before I
can move along. I don't see any need for this. Using codes doesn't, in and
of itself, enhance a poster's gravitas.

I'll suggest that it would be a kindness (to me, and perhaps to others) if
the Listserv followed something like the standard style sheet for acronyms
-- the first time the name appears, write it out and include the
acronym/code after it in parentheses. Subsequently in the same document, use
the acronym/code.

Please.

Dan

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Wow, after masticating this theme on this board several times over the
years, we are back to using four-letter banding codes in the subject lines
of BRDBRAINS posts, and not even using them correctly. Is it Swainson's
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Date: 7/8/14 9:24 am
From: Andy Kratter <kratter...>
Subject: [BRDBRAIN] 4-letter codes
Wow, after masticating this theme on this board several times over the
years, we are back to using four-letter banding codes in the subject lines
of BRDBRAINS posts, and not even using them correctly. Is it Swainson's
Kingbird? Maybe Sweltering Kinglet?' I think we all want to communicate
efficiently, and using four-letter codes on a List-serve does not achieve that.

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Date: 7/8/14 8:03 am
From: John Ogden <jogden...>
Subject: [BRDBRAIN] SWKI in Sawgrass Lake Park?
Is anyone following the 2 adults and juvenile SWKI in Sawgrass Lake Park?
Are they still around?

John Ogden
St. Petersburg

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Date: 7/8/14 7:04 am
From: Ron Smith <rsmithbirds...>
Subject: Re: [BRDBRAIN] A video of a GBHE Catching and Eating a Big Fish (Sarasota)
More specifically, a tilapia.

Ron Smith
St. Pete, FL

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Date: 7/8/14 4:46 am
From: Mark H. Vance <mark...>
Subject: [BRDBRAIN] A video of a GBHE Catching and Eating a Big Fish (Sarasota)
Here is a video of a Great Blue Heron catching and eating a big fish.

Click the following link to watch - http://youtu.be/mCV6Yttysgw

Thanks, Mark Vance

Sarasota, FL

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Date: 7/7/14 5:44 pm
From: Leann Streeper <leann.jackson...>
Subject: [BRDBRAIN] RBWO food for thought
Being that there isnt any straight forward answer, RBWO and GFWO are still very close in genetic species. Seeing that Golden-fronted in central America, to me, looks like a Red-bellied, means that it is only about geographical location that is going to name these two species. Odd to me that they are split, if that is what it takes. I hear that a Golden-fronted did hybridize in North Florida with an RBWO. Wonder if FOS counted that as a record? Would be of great debate I imagine. Still could be a hybird.
I know they sound very similar, but there is a tone and a tune difference. Some people cant pick up on those pitches. I had someone tell me once, you cant tell the difference in the songs of Eurasian collared Dove and White Winged Dove. To me, they are very different.
I am still learning so I look at everything twice.
Thanks for the help and the photos.

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Date: 7/7/14 7:08 am
From: Janet Leavens <janet.leavens1...>
Subject: [BRDBRAIN] Neotropic Cormorant(s) at Wakodahatchee Wetlands: ID help, please
Hi all,

A couple of days ago Gary and I were at Wakodahatchee Wetlands (Palm Beach
Co.) to find a possible Neotropic Cormorant. What we found was 1 immature
(1st year) cormorant that seemed to be a really good candidate for NECO:
White "V" bordering chin patch, dark lores, dark brown neck and sides of
breast (would be lighter in immature DCCO), noticeably smaller than the
DCCO behind it. See attached photo.

I am in doubt about this ID however, because I was under the impression
that the NECO that has been hanging around Wakodahatchee since early 2012
was an adult. But after looking carefully at the many eBird reports and a
couple of accounts in reputable birding blogs, I'm more confused than ever.
I have seen the following reported:

* An adult NECO breeding with a DCCO.
* Two adults NECOS breeding together
* An adult NECO breeding with either a DCCO or a NECOxDCCO.
* One adult and one immature NECO
* Two adult NECOs in different plumages, one of which was nest with a DCCO.
In other words, there were two NECOs, but they weren't paired up.
* Lots of reports of single NECOs, but these reports of single birds all
referred to an adult or did not specify.

So, if indeed an Neotropic Cormorant has been at Wakodahatchee since 2012
and breeding with some kind of Cormorant, it seems likely that any
juveniles that have a NECO look are probably hybrids. But maybe not?

In any case, can anyone:

1) clear up the history of the Neotropic Cormorant(s)? at Wakodahatchee and
2) help me ID this one bird.

Thanks so much!

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Date: 7/5/14 7:03 pm
From: Dan Irizarry <rdirizarry...>
Subject: Re: [BRDBRAIN] RBWO technical question
The golden- fronted woodpeckers in Belize and Central America don't have golden fronts and look a lot like our red- bellied.

The one attached was taken in Honduras:

The calls can sound similar (at least to me).

Dan Irizarry
Ruskin, FL
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> On Jul 5, 2014, at 9:01 PM, Leann Streeper <leann.jackson...> wrote:
>
> Attached photo of an ordinary Red-bellied Woodpecker. So it seems. BUT, what I heard it sing was not that of an RBWO but of a Golden-fronted Woodpecker. I wasn’t the only one who took notice of the song. What made me think more was the fact that a Pileated Woodpecker mobbed the bird. I’m thinking “So, he doesn’t want to share the tree.” BUT then a group of Blue Jays mobbed her as well. I’m then thinking, “ Just maybe, they are hearing the wrong tune as well.” Now, knowing they are very closely related. Would this be a genetic glitch? A possible hybrid? Are the songs learned or genetically written? Too many questions for me to answer. I don’t see any evidence in the photo that would make this anything but an RBWO. Odd thing is that on the internet someone took a photo of what they called a Golden-fronted in Belize BUT it looked like an RBWO. How odd is that?
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> Thanks for help.
> Leann Streeper
> Leesburg, FL
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Date: 7/5/14 6:11 pm
From: Robert Stalnaker <robert.wildlife...>
Subject: Re: [BRDBRAIN] RBWO technical question


Hello,

"Its [Golden-fronted Woodpecker] appearance, behavior, and vocalizations are similar to those of the closely related Red-bellied Woodpecker (M. carolinus), with which it hybridizes."

Also,

"[Golden-fronted Woodpecker] accidental to Michigan and Florida; the Florida record involved a bird that remained almost 1 year in East Pensacola Heights and bred with a Red-bellied Woodpecker, producing 2 young (Snider 1968, Am. Ornithol. Union 1983, Stevenson and Anderson 1994)."

Bob Stalnaker
Longwood, FL

Husak, Michael S. and Terry C. Maxwell. 1998. Golden-fronted Woodpecker (Melanerpes aurifrons), The Birds of North America Online (A. Poole, Ed.). Ithaca: Cornell Lab of Ornithology; Retrieved from the Birds of North America Online: http://bna.birds.cornell.edu/bna/species/373


On Saturday, July 5, 2014 9:01 PM, Leann Streeper <leann.jackson...> wrote:



Attached photo of an ordinary Red-bellied Woodpecker.  So it
seems.  BUT, what I heard it sing was not that of an RBWO but of a
Golden-fronted Woodpecker.  I wasn’t the only one who took notice of the
song.  What made me think more was the fact that a Pileated Woodpecker
mobbed the bird.  I’m thinking “So, he doesn’t want to share the tree.” BUT
then a group of Blue Jays mobbed her as well.  I’m then thinking, “ Just
maybe, they are hearing the wrong tune as well.” Now, knowing they are very
closely related.  Would this be a genetic glitch? A possible hybrid? Are
the songs learned or genetically written?  Too many questions for me to
answer.  I don’t see any evidence in the photo that would make this
anything but an RBWO.  Odd thing is that on the internet someone took a
photo of what they called a Golden-fronted in Belize BUT it looked like an
RBWO.  How odd is that?

Thanks for help.
Leann Streeper
Leesburg, FL


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Date: 7/5/14 6:01 pm
From: Leann Streeper <leann.jackson...>
Subject: [BRDBRAIN] RBWO technical question
Attached photo of an ordinary Red-bellied Woodpecker. So it seems. BUT, what I heard it sing was not that of an RBWO but of a Golden-fronted Woodpecker. I wasn’t the only one who took notice of the song. What made me think more was the fact that a Pileated Woodpecker mobbed the bird. I’m thinking “So, he doesn’t want to share the tree.” BUT then a group of Blue Jays mobbed her as well. I’m then thinking, “ Just maybe, they are hearing the wrong tune as well.” Now, knowing they are very closely related. Would this be a genetic glitch? A possible hybrid? Are the songs learned or genetically written? Too many questions for me to answer. I don’t see any evidence in the photo that would make this anything but an RBWO. Odd thing is that on the internet someone took a photo of what they called a Golden-fronted in Belize BUT it looked like an RBWO. How odd is that?

Thanks for help.
Leann Streeper
Leesburg, FL

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Date: 7/5/14 5:26 pm
From: Stu Wilson <stuwilson...>
Subject: [BRDBRAIN] Sarasota Tropical Kingbird Raises Another Brood
Yesterday three chicks fledged from the nest of our returning female
Tropical Kingbird at St Armands Circle on Lido Key in Sarasota
County. Last year she fledged four chicks. This year's juveniles look
very much like last year's, i.e. like Gray Kingbirds except for a faint
yellow wash on the underparts concentrated on the undertail coverts. This
year she was observed constructing and dismantling six nests in four
different live oak trees before finally settling in with the seventh
nest. Last year a male Tropical Kingbird appeared four days before the
chicks fledged and lingered for 11 weeks. No male Tropical Kingbird has
yet been observed this year.

If behavior holds true to form, the juveniles (and their mother) should be
observable in the parking lot behind Columbia Restaurant over the next 2-4
weeks.


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Sarasota, FL USA
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Date: 7/5/14 5:11 pm
From: Michael Brothers <mbrothers...>
Subject: [BRDBRAIN] Cliff Swallow. Flagler Co.
Today, 7/5, I was surprised to find a lone early Cliff Swallow with a small group of Barn Swallows. This is the earliest Cliff Swallow I have seen in this area. The bird was feeding over the agricultural fields on rt 15 just south of rt 100, about 7 miles west of Bunnell in Flagler County.

Michael

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Date: 7/5/14 2:39 pm
From: Bill Maley <maleyvibes...>
Subject: Re: [BRDBRAIN] Gulf Coast King Rail
Hi all, my brother James (Maley) is one of the researchers mentioned in the
above article, and has done extensive research on Clapper and King Rails. I
forwarded the pics and info in this conversation along to James, and here's
what he had to say:

"I would call them freshly molted Clapper Rails. While they are a little
bright rufous, there are several field marks that point to Clapper Rail.
They have very extensive gray on the face going on to the neck, which I've
never seen in King Rails. The bill looks relatively long and slender like a
clapper, not stout and thick like a king. The other key character is the
dusky breast band, this is always missing in kings. The clappers along the
gulf are the brightest and look the most like kings, especially right after
molting their body feathers, which typically occurs in May and June."

Best regards,
Bill Maley
Albuquerque, NM


On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 8:53 AM, Ron Smith <rsmithbirds...> wrote:

> I agree with Jeanne that the bird(s) photo'd by Ken are Clapper Rails.
> Habitat, of course, would be the main reason, but the bird's steel gray
> face is also un-King like. Detailed markings along the flanks also can give
> away I.D.s on the best of specimens. Gulf Coast Clappers, I believe, are a
> bit brighter than those found along the Atlantic coast (see article link
> below). Photos I have seen of an inland, sure-bet King Rail from Pasco
> County show a bird much brighter than those shown in Ken's post.
>
> In Pinellas County, where I've watched our local population of King Rails
> decrease to a point where I cannot take you to a spot where I know there is
> one, we were lucky to have a King Rail spend last fall and the early
> winter season in a freshwater pond/marsh just yards from a saltwater marsh
> (a paved trail atop a dike seperate the two). Playing a tape of *either
> species* would get responses from *either species*, but Sue Tavaglione's
> excellent photos revealed a bright orange-ish, large rail, without a steel
> gray face walk up and out of the freshwater side of things. By early
> spring the bird was no longer present, off to northern climes we suspected.
>
> The below link is a nice read written by Ted Floyd about the various rail
> subspecies, etc.
>
> http://blog.aba.org/2013/10/clapper-rail-split.html
>
>
> Ron Smith
> St. Pete, FL
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Date: 7/5/14 4:54 am
From: Rex Rowan <rexrowan...>
Subject: [BRDBRAIN] June Challenge mistake #2
My link to Thomas Rohtsalu's "Duval June Challenge" photo gallery - showing
109 of the 113 species on his June Challenge list - was wrong. It should be
http://jaxbirding.com/june_photo_challenge_2014.php

Sorry, Thomas!

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Gainesville

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Date: 7/4/14 3:36 pm
From: Rex Rowan <rexrowan...>
Subject: [BRDBRAIN] Oops.
I'm sure I made more mistakes than this one, but a sentence in the June
Challenge summary should have read, "The three top cumulative county lists
if we stick to ABA-countable species - which we don't, but IF we did - are
Pinellas County (150), Palm Beach County (147), and in third place a tie
between Hillsborough County and Dave Gagne (145)."

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Date: 7/4/14 1:05 pm
From: Robert Stalnaker <robert.wildlife...>
Subject: Re: [BRDBRAIN] Gulf Coast King Rail Followup


Hello,

I was listening to both Clapper Rail and King Rail keks at the Macaulay Library. I came away with the impression that the kek cadence was variable. I heard Clapper Rail with a slow cadence of about 2/sec, and one with a faster cadence, maybe 4-5/sec, but at the end, it slowed down to 2/sec or even slower. It seemed to me that there are a couple different calls with various cadence.

Bob Stalnaker
Longwood, FL


On Friday, July 4, 2014 3:08 PM, Ken Tracey <kftracey...> wrote:



Hello,

I was out in the marsh just before lunch today trying for another King. None showed up at first, so I switched to Clapper call and two Clapper Rails came out of the mangroves; see photos. So there is a mixed group here.

I tried again for King and in a mangrove clump I was standing next to a King started calling. Although it never came out into view, I was able to record video for sound for 40.04 seconds of it's call. I counted the individual kek calls given by this King Rail;80 for the 40.04 seconds = 2 notes/sec. This agrees with Sibley's way to differentiate King from Clapper, (page 153),"(usually 2 notes/sec) - slower tempo is more reliable for identification" of King Rail. Clapper Rail gives "(4-5 notes/sec)".

Ken Tracey
New Port Richey, FL
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Date: 7/4/14 12:38 pm
From: Michael Brothers <mbrothers.larids...>
Subject: Re: [BRDBRAIN] Results of The June Challenge 2014
Congratulations Dave! Awesome job and amazing birds! What a finish to find the junco.
Way to go!
Michael

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> On Jul 4, 2014, at 1:13 PM, Rex Rowan <rexrowan...> wrote:
>
> To the extent that it's a contest, The June Challenge is an intra-county contest and not an inter-county contest. A small county doesn't have the same birding potential as a large county, a landlocked county doesn't have the same potential as a coastal county, and a county with a small or nonexistent birding community will never amass a list as long as that of a county with a lot of birders who communicate their finds to each other instantly via Facebook. So, while birders working within the same county during the same period of time can be reasonably compared to each other, comparisons between counties are senseless. Nonetheless they are very popular! So here are the top three individual lists in this year's Challenge, and the top three cumulative county lists:
>
> Remember, the first number in the parentheses is the number of ABA-countable birds, those that are considered to be native to North America or to have established populations here. The second number is the number of non-established exotics that were seen. So if I saw 100 native species during the June Challenge, and also saw a free-ranging peacock, my total would be listed as 101 (100/1).
>
> TOP INDIVIDUAL LISTS
> 1. Dave Gagne (Pasco) 145 (145/0)
> 2. Michael Brothers (Volusia) 142 (138/4)
> 3. Rocky Milburn (Hillsborough) 139 (138/1)
>
> TOP CUMULATIVE COUNTY LISTS
> 1. Miami-Dade 158
> 2. Palm Beach 155
> 3. Pinellas 152
>
> The three top cumulative county lists if we stick to ABA-countable species - which we don't, but IF we did - are Pinellas County (150), Palm Beach County (147), and in third place a tie between Palm Beach County and Dave Gagne (145).
>
> This year we had a total of 134 individual entries from 29 Florida counties, plus 36 entries from eleven counties in eight other states. In addition, two Florida birders submitted entries from outside the U.S. - Susan Daughtrey from Abaco, Bahamas, and Janet Leavens from Hyderabad, India. I asked only for numbers, not lists, but some people submitted lists anyway, and I've supplied links to out-of-state lists (including Susan's and Janet's) in case you want to see what's beyond our borders during June.
>
> My apologies if I left anyone out. Thanks for playing, and see you next year!
>
> ALACHUA 128 (124/4)
> Maralee Joos 116 (113/3)
> Danny Shehee 116 (113/3)
> Lloyd Davis 113 (110/3)
> Chris Cattau 111 (107/4)
> Barbara Shea 109 (106/3)
> Howard Adams 107 (105/2)
> Bob Simons 107 (105/2)
> Bob Carroll 104 (101/3)
> Rex Rowan 102 (101/1)
> Dalcio Dacol 101 (101/0)
> Brad Hall 101 (101/0)
> Ron Robinson 101 (98/3)
> Barbara Mollison 100 (98/2)
> Felicia Lee 100 (97/3)
> Benjamin Ewing 100 (96/4)
> Samuel Ewing 100 (96/4)
> Anne Kendall 97 (97/0)
> Erika Simons 97 (95/2)
> Sharon Kuchinski 94 (92/2)
> John Martin 93 (91/2)
> Geoff Parks 93 (90/3)
> Deena Mickelson 91 (91/0)
> Anne Barkdoll 90 (87/3)
> Phil Laipis 86 (86/0)
> Tina Greenberg 85 (84/1)
> Bob Knight 83 (83/0)
> Debbie Segal 82 (82/0)
> Ellen Frattino 82 (80/2)
> Becky Enneis 81 (80/1)
> Amber Roux 81 (80/1)
> Christine Zamora 81 (80/1)
> Nora Parks-Church 81 (78/3)
> Elizabeth Martin 79 (77/2)
> Katherine Edison 77 (74/3)
> Hannah Ewing 76 (73/3)
> Adam Zions 76 (72/4)
> Barbara Woodmansee 75 (75/0)
> Carol Huang 70 (69/1)
> Conrad Burkholder 69 (69/0)
> Emily Schwartz 69 (69/0)
> Roy Herrera 68 (68/0)
> Bill Enneis 56 (56/0)
> Sue Ann Enneis 56 (56/0)
> Sidney Wade 51 (59/0)
> Debbie Spiceland 43 (43/0)
> Arthur Baker 34 (34/0)
> Alex Baker 34 (34/0)
> Andy Baker 34 (34/0)
>
> BREVARD 119 (116/3)
> Jim Armstrong 102 (101/1)
> Sarah Linney 74 (74/0)
> Jim Eager 72 (70/2)
> Jenn Anselmo 63 (61/2)
> Doug Stuckey 61 (60/1)
> Jason Frederick 24 (24/0)
>
> BROWARD 106 (96/10)
> Steven Kaplan 101 (93/8)
> Warren Parker 79 (74/5)
>
> CHARLOTTE
> Dennis Peacock 123 (123/0)
> Mike Manetz 111 (111/0)
> Susan Daughtrey 100 (100/0)
> Brant Julius 81 (81/0)
>
> CLAY
> Martha Fethe 62 (62/0)
> Jan Morgan 62 (62/0)
> Cathy Levreault 57 (57/0)
>
> COLLIER 100 (100/0)
> Monica Higgins 84 (84/0)
>
> DUVAL
> Thomas Rohtsalu 115 (113/2) See his June Challenge photo album here.
> Carly Wainwright 107 (104/3)
>
> FLAGLER
> Amber Bobbitt 76 (76/0)
>
> FRANKLIN
> John Murphy 128 (128/0)
>
> GLADES
> Ann Starck 74 (72/2)
>
> HENDRY
> Kim Willis 77 (77/0)
> Margaret England 65 (65/0)
>
> HERNANDO
> Stephen Mann 110 (110/0)
>
> HILLSBOROUGH 148 (145/3)
> Rocky Milburn 139 (138/1)
> Sandy Harris 120 (118/2)
> Susan Pepper 120 (118/2)
> Ken Allen 116 (116/0)
> Jason Guerard 80 (80/0)
>
> INDIAN RIVER
> Doug Sutherland 64 (64/0)
> Jenn Anselmo 41 (40/1)
>
> LAKE
> Earl Horn 99 (97/2)
> Leann Streeper 93 (92/1)
> Bob Streeper 92 (91/1)
> Nadia Streeper 80 (79/1)
>
> LEE
> France Paulsen 94 (94/0)
> Bob Hargrave 86 (86/0)
> Bob Repenning 84 (84/0)
>
> MANATEE 129 (122/7)
> Billie Knight 125 (120/5)
> Jerry Knight 125 (120/5)
>
> MARION
> Doug Richard 101 (101/0)
> Alice Horst 95 (90/5)
> Donna Schromm 85 (82/3)
>
> MARTIN
> Nancy Price 95 (90/5)
>
> MIAMI-DADE 158 (143/15)
> Christine Manfredi 137 (123/14)
> Larry Manfredi 137 (123/14)
> Philip Manfredi 137 (123/14)
>
> OKALOOSA
> Bruce Purdy 120 (118/2)
>
> ORANGE
> Bob Sicolo 116 (109/7)
> John Thomton 107 (105/2)
> Ellen Rocco 91 (84/7)
> Andy Prather 42 (42/0)
>
> PALM BEACH 155 (147/8)
> Marcello Gomes 113 (108/5)
> Chuck Weber 112 (109/3)
> Susan McKemy 112 (107/5)
> Sue Young 102 (101/1)
>
> PASCO
> Dave Gagne 145 (145/0)
> Ken Tracey 135 (135/0)
> Bill Pranty 118 (118/0)
> Mike Ranck 98 (98/0)
> J. Mike Kell 93 (93/0)
> Jason Guerard 58 (58/0)
>
> PINELLAS 152 (150/2)
> Dan Sauvageau 138 (134/4)
> JoAnna Clayton 130 (126/4)
> Ron Smith 122 (122/0)
> Don Margeson 121 (121/0)
> Tom Mast 119 (119/0)
> Mark Burns 108 (108/0)
> Nicole Ploger 101 (101/0)
> Troy Ploger 101 (101/0)
> Cuneyt Yilmaz 100 (100/0)
> Colin Gjervold 99 (99/0)
> Eric Plage 95 (95/0)
>
> ST. JOHNS
> Sue Killeen 134 (133/1)
> James Wheat 130 (130/0)
> Diane Reed 127 (127/0)
> Chris Hooker 106 (104/2)
> Graham Williams 92 (92/0)
> C.J. McCartney 54 (54/0)
>
> SARASOTA 131 (124/7)
> Claire Herzog 131 (124/7)
> Nancy Edmondson 122 (115/6)
> Stu Wilson 97 (96/1)
>
> SEMINOLE
> Scott Simmons 105 (104/1)
> Graham Williams 101 (98/3)
>
> VOLUSIA
> Michael Brothers 142 (138/4)
> Eli Schaperow 98 (97/1)
>
>
> OUTSIDE FLORIDA (species lists are linked when provided)
>
> PUEBLO COUNTY, COLORADO
> Monica Higgins 42 (42/0)
>
> KENT COUNTY, DELAWARE
> Chris Bennett 155
> Doris Boyles 81
> Dottie Boyles 81
> Joel Martin 46
> Bob Bryant 34
>
> NEW CASTLE COUNTY, DELAWARE
> Derek Stoner 116
> Judy Montgomery 115
> Christopher Rowe 108
> Bill Stewart 91
> Amy O’Neil 77
> Chris Bennett 73
> Kelly Stringham 71
> Bob Bryant 58
> Ian Stewart 58
> David Beattie 47
> Doris Boyles 45
> Dottie Boyles 45
> Amy White 37
>
> SUSSEX COUNTY, DELAWARE
> Sue Gruver 134
> Sharon Lynn 125
> Jean Shaw 110
> Chris Bennett 108
> John Long 99
> Bob Edelen 52
> Doris Boyles 51
> Dottie Boyles 51
>
> FAYETTE COUNTY, GEORGIA
> Bob Hargrave 32 (32/0)
>
> HARFORD COUNTY, MARYLAND 139
> (No individual entries submitted.)
>
> KENT COUNTY, MICHIGAN
> Bly Bylsma 113 (113/0)
>
> HANCOCK COUNTY, MISSISSIPPI
> Barbara Bowen 88 (86/2)
> Susan Epps 88 (86/2)
>
> MONTGOMERY COUNTY, PENNSYLVANIA
> Brian Henderson 93 (93/0)
>
> BERKELEY COUNTY, SOUTH CAROLINA
> Christopher Tynan 76 (76/0)
>
> KERSHAW COUNTY, SOUTH CAROLINA 96 (96/0)
> Lex Glover 87 (87/0)
> Steve Patterson 68 (68/0)
>
>
> OUTSIDE THE U.S.
>
> ABACO, BAHAMAS
> Susan Daughtrey 57
>
> HYDERABAD, INDIA
> Janet Leavens 92
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Date: 7/4/14 12:09 pm
From: Ken Tracey <kftracey...>
Subject: [BRDBRAIN] Gulf Coast King Rail Followup
Hello,

I was out in the marsh just before lunch today trying for another King. None showed up at first, so I switched to Clapper call and two Clapper Rails came out of the mangroves; see photos. So there is a mixed group here.

I tried again for King and in a mangrove clump I was standing next to a King started calling. Although it never came out into view, I was able to record video for sound for 40.04 seconds of it's call. I counted the individual kek calls given by this King Rail;80 for the 40.04 seconds = 2 notes/sec. This agrees with Sibley's way to differentiate King from Clapper, (page 153),"(usually 2 notes/sec) - slower tempo is more reliable for identification" of King Rail. Clapper Rail gives "(4-5 notes/sec)".

Ken Tracey
New Port Richey, FL


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Date: 7/4/14 11:13 am
From: <dotrobbins...> <dotrobbins...>
Subject: Re: [BRDBRAIN] Results of The June Challenge 2014
Way to go, Dave, Michael, and Rocky! Wish I had a garish, hulking trophy to give each of you, like the one we pass around here in Alachua county! Dave, good thing those birds you mail ordered arrived in time! Dotty Robbins
High Springs

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From: Rex Rowan <rexrowan...>
To: <BRDBRAIN...>
Subject: [BRDBRAIN] Results of The June Challenge 2014
Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2014 13:13:49 -0400


To the extent that it's a contest, The June Challenge is an intra-county contest and not an inter-county contest. A small county doesn't have the same birding potential as a large county, a landlocked county doesn't have the same potential as a coastal county, and a county with a small or nonexistent birding community will never amass a list as long as that of a county with a lot of birders who communicate their finds to each other instantly via Facebook. So, while birders working within the same county during the same period of time can be reasonably compared to each other, comparisons between counties are senseless. Nonetheless they are very popular! So here are the top three individual lists in this year's Challenge, and the top three cumulative county lists:

Remember, the first number in the parentheses is the number of ABA-countable birds, those that are considered to be native to North America or to have established populations here. The second number is the number of non-established exotics that were seen. So if I saw 100 native species during the June Challenge, and also saw a free-ranging peacock, my total would be listed as 101 (100/1). TOP INDIVIDUAL LISTS1. Dave Gagne (Pasco) 145 (145/0)2. Michael Brothers (Volusia) 142 (138/4)3. Rocky Milburn (Hillsborough) 139 (138/1)

TOP CUMULATIVE COUNTY LISTS1. Miami-Dade 1582. Palm Beach 1553. Pinellas 152

The three top cumulative county lists if we stick to ABA-countable species - which we don't, but IF we did - are Pinellas County (150), Palm Beach County (147), and in third place a tie between Palm Beach County and Dave Gagne (145).

This year we had a total of 134 individual entries from 29 Florida counties, plus 36 entries from eleven counties in eight other states. In addition, two Florida birders submitted entries from outside the U.S. - Susan Daughtrey from Abaco, Bahamas, and Janet Leavens from Hyderabad, India. I asked only for numbers, not lists, but some people submitted lists anyway, and I've supplied links to out-of-state lists (including Susan's and Janet's) in case you want to see what's beyond our borders during June.

My apologies if I left anyone out. Thanks for playing, and see you next year!
ALACHUA 128 (124/4)Maralee Joos 116 (113/3)
Danny Shehee 116 (113/3)
Lloyd Davis 113 (110/3)
Chris Cattau 111 (107/4)
Barbara Shea 109 (106/3)
Howard Adams 107 (105/2)
Bob Simons 107 (105/2)
Bob Carroll 104 (101/3)
Rex Rowan 102 (101/1)
Dalcio Dacol 101 (101/0)
Brad Hall 101 (101/0)
Ron Robinson 101 (98/3)
Barbara Mollison 100 (98/2)
Felicia Lee 100 (97/3)
Benjamin Ewing 100 (96/4)
Samuel Ewing 100 (96/4)
Anne Kendall 97 (97/0)
Erika Simons 97 (95/2)
Sharon Kuchinski 94 (92/2)
John Martin 93 (91/2)
Geoff Parks 93 (90/3)
Deena Mickelson 91 (91/0)
Anne Barkdoll 90 (87/3)
Phil Laipis 86 (86/0)
Tina Greenberg 85 (84/1)
Bob Knight 83 (83/0)
Debbie Segal 82 (82/0)
Ellen Frattino 82 (80/2)
Becky Enneis 81 (80/1)
Amber Roux 81 (80/1)
Christine Zamora 81 (80/1)
Nora Parks-Church 81 (78/3)
Elizabeth Martin 79 (77/2)
Katherine Edison 77 (74/3)
Hannah Ewing 76 (73/3)
Adam Zions 76 (72/4)
Barbara Woodmansee 75 (75/0)
Carol Huang 70 (69/1)
Conrad Burkholder 69 (69/0)
Emily Schwartz 69 (69/0)
Roy Herrera 68 (68/0)
Bill Enneis 56 (56/0)
Sue Ann Enneis 56 (56/0)
Sidney Wade 51 (59/0)
Debbie Spiceland 43 (43/0)
Arthur Baker 34 (34/0)
Alex Baker 34 (34/0)
Andy Baker 34 (34/0)

BREVARD 119 (116/3)Jim Armstrong 102 (101/1)Sarah Linney 74 (74/0)Jim Eager 72 (70/2)Jenn Anselmo 63 (61/2)Doug Stuckey 61 (60/1)Jason Frederick 24 (24/0) BROWARD 106 (96/10)Steven Kaplan 101 (93/8)Warren Parker 79 (74/5)

CHARLOTTE
Dennis Peacock 123 (123/0)Mike Manetz 111 (111/0)Susan Daughtrey 100 (100/0)Brant Julius 81 (81/0) CLAYMartha Fethe 62 (62/0)Jan Morgan 62 (62/0)Cathy Levreault 57 (57/0)

COLLIER 100 (100/0)Monica Higgins 84 (84/0) DUVALThomas Rohtsalu 115 (113/2) See his June Challenge photo album here.Carly Wainwright 107 (104/3) FLAGLERAmber Bobbitt 76 (76/0) FRANKLINJohn Murphy 128 (128/0)

GLADESAnn Starck 74 (72/2) HENDRYKim Willis 77 (77/0)Margaret England 65 (65/0) HERNANDOStephen Mann 110 (110/0) HILLSBOROUGH 148 (145/3)Rocky Milburn 139 (138/1)Sandy Harris 120 (118/2)Susan Pepper 120 (118/2)Ken Allen 116 (116/0)Jason Guerard 80 (80/0) INDIAN RIVERDoug Sutherland 64 (64/0)Jenn Anselmo 41 (40/1) LAKEEarl Horn 99 (97/2)
Leann Streeper 93 (92/1)
Bob Streeper 92 (91/1)
Nadia Streeper 80 (79/1)
LEEFrance Paulsen 94 (94/0)Bob Hargrave 86 (86/0)Bob Repenning 84 (84/0) MANATEE 129 (122/7)
Billie Knight 125 (120/5)
Jerry Knight 125 (120/5) MARION Doug Richard 101 (101/0)Alice Horst 95 (90/5)Donna Schromm 85 (82/3) MARTINNancy Price 95 (90/5)

MIAMI-DADE 158 (143/15)Christine Manfredi 137 (123/14)Larry Manfredi 137 (123/14)Philip Manfredi 137 (123/14) OKALOOSABruce Purdy 120 (118/2) ORANGEBob Sicolo 116 (109/7)John Thomton 107 (105/2)Ellen Rocco 91 (84/7)Andy Prather 42 (42/0)

PALM BEACH 155 (147/8)
Marcello Gomes 113 (108/5)
Chuck Weber 112 (109/3)
Susan McKemy 112 (107/5)
Sue Young 102 (101/1) PASCODave Gagne 145 (145/0)Ken Tracey 135 (135/0)Bill Pranty 118 (118/0)Mike Ranck 98 (98/0)J. Mike Kell 93 (93/0)Jason Guerard 58 (58/0) PINELLAS 152 (150/2)
Dan Sauvageau 138 (134/4)JoAnna Clayton 130 (126/4)Ron Smith 122 (122/0)Don Margeson 121 (121/0)Tom Mast 119 (119/0)Mark Burns 108 (108/0)Nicole Ploger 101 (101/0)Troy Ploger 101 (101/0)Cuneyt Yilmaz 100 (100/0)Colin Gjervold 99 (99/0)Eric Plage 95 (95/0) ST. JOHNSSue Killeen 134 (133/1)James Wheat 130 (130/0)Diane Reed 127 (127/0) Chris Hooker 106 (104/2)
Graham Williams 92 (92/0)C.J. McCartney 54 (54/0)

SARASOTA 131 (124/7)Claire Herzog 131 (124/7)
Nancy Edmondson 122 (115/6)Stu Wilson 97 (96/1) SEMINOLEScott Simmons 105 (104/1)Graham Williams 101 (98/3)

VOLUSIAMichael Brothers 142 (138/4)Eli Schaperow 98 (97/1)

OUTSIDE FLORIDA (species lists are linked when provided) PUEBLO COUNTY, COLORADOMonica Higgins 42 (42/0)

KENT COUNTY, DELAWARE
Chris Bennett 155
Doris Boyles 81
Dottie Boyles 81
Joel Martin 46
Bob Bryant 34

NEW CASTLE COUNTY, DELAWARE
Derek Stoner 116
Judy Montgomery 115
Christopher Rowe 108
Bill Stewart 91
Amy O&rsquo;Neil 77
Chris Bennett 73
Kelly Stringham 71
Bob Bryant 58
Ian Stewart 58
David Beattie 47
Doris Boyles 45
Dottie Boyles 45
Amy White 37

SUSSEX COUNTY, DELAWARE
Sue Gruver 134
Sharon Lynn 125
Jean Shaw 110
Chris Bennett 108
John Long 99
Bob Edelen 52Doris Boyles 51Dottie Boyles 51
FAYETTE COUNTY, GEORGIABob Hargrave 32 (32/0)

HARFORD COUNTY, MARYLAND 139(No individual entries submitted.)
KENT COUNTY, MICHIGANBly Bylsma 113 (113/0)

HANCOCK COUNTY, MISSISSIPPIBarbara Bowen 88 (86/2)
Susan Epps 88 (86/2) MONTGOMERY COUNTY, PENNSYLVANIABrian Henderson 93 (93/0)
BERKELEY COUNTY, SOUTH CAROLINAChristopher Tynan 76 (76/0) KERSHAW COUNTY, SOUTH CAROLINA 96 (96/0)Lex Glover 87 (87/0)Steve Patterson 68 (68/0)
OUTSIDE THE U.S.ABACO, BAHAMASSusan Daughtrey 57
HYDERABAD, INDIAJanet Leavens 92To subscribe, unsubscribe or view archives of the brdbrain listserv list, please visit us on the web at: http://listserv.admin.usf.edu/archives/brdbrain.html To set to no mail send a message: SET BRDBRAIN NOMAIL to <LISTSERV...> To reinstate mail service after NOMAIL send a message: SET BRDBRAIN MAIL to <LISTSERV...> Report any problems to the listserv administrator: <listadmin...> ____________________________________________________________________________

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Date: 7/4/14 10:14 am
From: Rex Rowan <rexrowan...>
Subject: [BRDBRAIN] Results of The June Challenge 2014
To the extent that it's a contest, The June Challenge is an intra-county
contest and not an inter-county contest. A small county doesn't have the
same birding potential as a large county, a landlocked county doesn't have
the same potential as a coastal county, and a county with a small or
nonexistent birding community will never amass a list as long as that of a
county with a lot of birders who communicate their finds to each other
instantly via Facebook. So, while birders working within the same county
during the same period of time can be reasonably compared to each other,
comparisons between counties are senseless. Nonetheless they are very
popular! So here are the top three individual lists in this year's
Challenge, and the top three cumulative county lists:

Remember, the first number in the parentheses is the number of
ABA-countable birds, those that are considered to be native to North
America or to have established populations here. The second number is the
number of non-established exotics that were seen. So if I saw 100 native
species during the June Challenge, and also saw a free-ranging peacock, my
total would be listed as 101 (100/1).

TOP INDIVIDUAL LISTS
1. Dave Gagne (Pasco) 145 (145/0)
2. Michael Brothers (Volusia) 142 (138/4)
3. Rocky Milburn (Hillsborough) 139 (138/1)

TOP CUMULATIVE COUNTY LISTS
1. Miami-Dade 158
2. Palm Beach 155
3. Pinellas 152

The three top cumulative county lists if we stick to ABA-countable species
- which we don't, but IF we did - are Pinellas County (150), Palm Beach
County (147), and in third place a tie between Palm Beach County and Dave
Gagne (145).

This year we had a total of 134 individual entries from 29 Florida
counties, plus 36 entries from eleven counties in eight other states. In
addition, two Florida birders submitted entries from outside the U.S. -
Susan Daughtrey from Abaco, Bahamas, and Janet Leavens from Hyderabad,
India. I asked only for numbers, not lists, but some people submitted lists
anyway, and I've supplied links to out-of-state lists (including Susan's
and Janet's) in case you want to see what's beyond our borders during June.

My apologies if I left anyone out. Thanks for playing, and see you next
year!

ALACHUA 128 (124/4)
Maralee Joos 116 (113/3)
Danny Shehee 116 (113/3)
Lloyd Davis 113 (110/3)
Chris Cattau 111 (107/4)
Barbara Shea 109 (106/3)
Howard Adams 107 (105/2)
Bob Simons 107 (105/2)
Bob Carroll 104 (101/3)
Rex Rowan 102 (101/1)
Dalcio Dacol 101 (101/0)
Brad Hall 101 (101/0)
Ron Robinson 101 (98/3)
Barbara Mollison 100 (98/2)
Felicia Lee 100 (97/3)
Benjamin Ewing 100 (96/4)
Samuel Ewing 100 (96/4)
Anne Kendall 97 (97/0)
Erika Simons 97 (95/2)
Sharon Kuchinski 94 (92/2)
John Martin 93 (91/2)
Geoff Parks 93 (90/3)
Deena Mickelson 91 (91/0)
Anne Barkdoll 90 (87/3)
Phil Laipis 86 (86/0)
Tina Greenberg 85 (84/1)
Bob Knight 83 (83/0)
Debbie Segal 82 (82/0)
Ellen Frattino 82 (80/2)
Becky Enneis 81 (80/1)
Amber Roux 81 (80/1)
Christine Zamora 81 (80/1)
Nora Parks-Church 81 (78/3)
Elizabeth Martin 79 (77/2)
Katherine Edison 77 (74/3)
Hannah Ewing 76 (73/3)
Adam Zions 76 (72/4)
Barbara Woodmansee 75 (75/0)
Carol Huang 70 (69/1)
Conrad Burkholder 69 (69/0)
Emily Schwartz 69 (69/0)
Roy Herrera 68 (68/0)
Bill Enneis 56 (56/0)
Sue Ann Enneis 56 (56/0)
Sidney Wade 51 (59/0)
Debbie Spiceland 43 (43/0)
Arthur Baker 34 (34/0)
Alex Baker 34 (34/0)
Andy Baker 34 (34/0)

BREVARD 119 (116/3)
Jim Armstrong 102 (101/1)
Sarah Linney 74 (74/0)
Jim Eager 72 (70/2)
Jenn Anselmo 63 (61/2)
Doug Stuckey 61 (60/1)
Jason Frederick 24 (24/0)

BROWARD 106 (96/10)
Steven Kaplan 101 (93/8)
Warren Parker 79 (74/5)

CHARLOTTE
Dennis Peacock 123 (123/0)
Mike Manetz 111 (111/0)
Susan Daughtrey 100 (100/0)
Brant Julius 81 (81/0)

CLAY
Martha Fethe 62 (62/0)
Jan Morgan 62 (62/0)
Cathy Levreault 57 (57/0)

COLLIER 100 (100/0)
Monica Higgins 84 (84/0)

DUVAL
Thomas Rohtsalu 115 (113/2) See his June Challenge photo album here
<http://jaxbirding.com/june_photo_challenge_2014.php>.
Carly Wainwright 107 (104/3)

FLAGLER
Amber Bobbitt 76 (76/0)

FRANKLIN
John Murphy 128 (128/0)

GLADES
Ann Starck 74 (72/2)

HENDRY
Kim Willis 77 (77/0)
Margaret England 65 (65/0)

HERNANDO
Stephen Mann 110 (110/0)

HILLSBOROUGH 148 (145/3)
Rocky Milburn 139 (138/1)
Sandy Harris 120 (118/2)
Susan Pepper 120 (118/2)
Ken Allen 116 (116/0)
Jason Guerard 80 (80/0)

INDIAN RIVER
Doug Sutherland 64 (64/0)
Jenn Anselmo 41 (40/1)

LAKE
Earl Horn 99 (97/2)
Leann Streeper 93 (92/1)
Bob Streeper 92 (91/1)
Nadia Streeper 80 (79/1)

LEE
France Paulsen 94 (94/0)
Bob Hargrave 86 (86/0)
Bob Repenning 84 (84/0)

MANATEE 129 (122/7)
Billie Knight 125 (120/5)
Jerry Knight 125 (120/5)

MARION
Doug Richard 101 (101/0)
Alice Horst 95 (90/5)
Donna Schromm 85 (82/3)

MARTIN
Nancy Price 95 (90/5)

MIAMI-DADE 158 (143/15)
Christine Manfredi 137 (123/14)
Larry Manfredi 137 (123/14)
Philip Manfredi 137 (123/14)

OKALOOSA
Bruce Purdy 120 (118/2)

ORANGE
Bob Sicolo 116 (109/7)
John Thomton 107 (105/2)
Ellen Rocco 91 (84/7)
Andy Prather 42 (42/0)

PALM BEACH 155 (147/8)
Marcello Gomes 113 (108/5)
Chuck Weber 112 (109/3)
Susan McKemy 112 (107/5)
Sue Young 102 (101/1)

PASCO
Dave Gagne 145 (145/0)
Ken Tracey 135 (135/0)
Bill Pranty 118 (118/0)
Mike Ranck 98 (98/0)
J. Mike Kell 93 (93/0)
Jason Guerard 58 (58/0)

PINELLAS 152 (150/2)
Dan Sauvageau 138 (134/4)
JoAnna Clayton 130 (126/4)
Ron Smith 122 (122/0)
Don Margeson 121 (121/0)
Tom Mast 119 (119/0)
Mark Burns 108 (108/0)
Nicole Ploger 101 (101/0)
Troy Ploger 101 (101/0)
Cuneyt Yilmaz 100 (100/0)
Colin Gjervold 99 (99/0)
Eric Plage 95 (95/0)

ST. JOHNS
Sue Killeen 134 (133/1)
James Wheat 130 (130/0)
Diane Reed 127 (127/0)
Chris Hooker 106 (104/2)
Graham Williams 92 (92/0)
C.J. McCartney 54 (54/0)

SARASOTA 131 (124/7)
Claire Herzog 131 (124/7)
Nancy Edmondson 122 (115/6)
Stu Wilson 97 (96/1)

SEMINOLE
Scott Simmons 105 (104/1)
Graham Williams 101 (98/3)

VOLUSIA
Michael Brothers 142 (138/4)
Eli Schaperow 98 (97/1)


*OUTSIDE FLORIDA* (species lists are linked when provided)

PUEBLO COUNTY, COLORADO
Monica Higgins 42 (42/0)
<https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B4E7iNkfaDyUN1FNZWFJZ2RSUnFWWWhXMDhDaEdqakFvY0xB/edit?usp=sharing>

KENT COUNTY, DELAWARE
Chris Bennett 155
Doris Boyles 81
Dottie Boyles 81
Joel Martin 46
Bob Bryant 34

NEW CASTLE COUNTY, DELAWARE
Derek Stoner 116
Judy Montgomery 115
Christopher Rowe 108
Bill Stewart 91
Amy O’Neil 77
Chris Bennett 73
Kelly Stringham 71
Bob Bryant 58
Ian Stewart 58
David Beattie 47
Doris Boyles 45
Dottie Boyles 45
Amy White 37

SUSSEX COUNTY, DELAWARE
Sue Gruver 134
Sharon Lynn 125
Jean Shaw 110
Chris Bennett 108
John Long 99
Bob Edelen 52
Doris Boyles 51
Dottie Boyles 51

FAYETTE COUNTY, GEORGIA
Bob Hargrave 32 (32/0)
<https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jBHMKn1L-R2xpDUj-DMZAvTU0u38Jfy2aI60rmNXec4/edit?usp=sharing>

HARFORD COUNTY, MARYLAND 139
<http://www.harfordbirdclub.org/June%20Challenge-new.html>
(No individual entries submitted.)

KENT COUNTY, MICHIGAN
Bly Bylsma 113 (113/0)
<https://docs.google.com/document/d/12067chxwR2f208eZAH2pY9N9CDYWLYnXjvUI8rsFqzI/edit?usp=sharing>

HANCOCK COUNTY, MISSISSIPPI
Barbara Bowen 88 (86/2)
<https://docs.google.com/document/d/19-xU1EkDcZ_uGRiZNBy0hMfLcKtLlw01I11VoMVEg1s/edit?usp=sharing>
Susan Epps 88 (86/2)
<https://docs.google.com/document/d/19-xU1EkDcZ_uGRiZNBy0hMfLcKtLlw01I11VoMVEg1s/edit?usp=sharing>

MONTGOMERY COUNTY, PENNSYLVANIA
Brian Henderson 93 (93/0)
<https://docs.google.com/document/d/1w2T6nm0uM3JNG1Gm7nqnGMb1yvDmXHdXtXieC2Z3VOg/edit?usp=sharing>

BERKELEY COUNTY, SOUTH CAROLINA
Christopher Tynan 76 (76/0)
<https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B4E7iNkfaDyUeXF6WTJPWEJDZ05BeW4tT3V2enphXzB2OTJF/edit?usp=sharing>

KERSHAW COUNTY, SOUTH CAROLINA 96 (96/0)
Lex Glover 87 (87/0)
<https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B4E7iNkfaDyUb1RFWlRMT2t0RHZ6Z1J5bm9GajJkUVBuOG5B/edit?usp=sharing>
Steve Patterson 68 (68/0)
<https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B4E7iNkfaDyUb1RFWlRMT2t0RHZ6Z1J5bm9GajJkUVBuOG5B/edit?usp=sharing>


*OUTSIDE THE U.S.*

ABACO, BAHAMAS
Susan Daughtrey 57
<https://docs.google.com/document/d/1sK-D0WF5EOAxroO4YrLL_TlgazFEbGyuB2hNOC-1R1I/edit?usp=sharing>

HYDERABAD, INDIA
Janet Leavens 92
<https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Vi2hhzpqZtjO8leIlAC0GAQtU_jKxHkv2pLdX6GVwQ4/edit?usp=sharing>

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Date: 7/4/14 4:25 am
From: Diana Doyle <diana...>
Subject: [BRDBRAIN] Eyes Out for Storm Waif Swallows - Bahama Swallow
Yesterday just after sunrise while storm seawatching at St. Augustine Inlet I had two presumed storm waif swallows come in off the ocean. The field marks I saw matched Bahama Swallow.

I put out the word immediately to local county coastal birders, hoping that someone might re-sight, and ideally, photograph. Now I'm putting out the broader word:

**Please check all swallows over the next few days!!**

You can read my complete notes in my eBird report here: http://ebird.org/ebird/view/checklist?subID=S18978481

It's very longIf I had got a photo I wouldn't have had to write a thousand words ;-)

Diana Doyle
St. Augustine, FL


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Date: 7/3/14 5:40 pm
From: Ken Tracey <kftracey...>
Subject: [BRDBRAIN] Gulf Coast King Rail
Hello,

I have read over Brian's suggested papers on hybrids Clapper/King Rail and Ron's post about Pinellas orange-faced King.

I have also photographed many Pasco Clapper Rails and have never seen one with more than faint smudge of orange on it's lower chest. In the field they are very dark, including singing males.


Go on to Flicker and search "King Rail". Most King photos on that site from inland areas have gray faces so that orange faced Pinellas bird is not a field mark consistent for King.

My bird responded aggressively to the King call, which it then searched for the King in the tape to do battle. It then returned the King call repeatedly just like the tape, so if that is the best field mark to separate the species, it passed that test!


If any local birder had heard the call without a photo they would have placed into the King category! And the photo is not inconsistent for King.

Hybrid is not something a birder in the field can determine even if a bird has conflicting field marks. Collecting a bird to resolve the hybrid issue is the only solution. Many of every birders sightings could be hybrid birds that were not photographed to bring up the issue.

So until a researcher looks at"Gulf Coast King Rails" (notice the title of my original post, because I know they may be a little different) and resolves any issues of King Rails living in close proximity to Clapper Rails, like here at Pasco Palms, or along the Gulf coastmyKing Rail sighting stands.

Ken Tracey
New Port Richey FL

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Date: 7/3/14 5:22 pm
From: Alice Horst <ahorst...>
Subject: [BRDBRAIN] 4th of July
Have a REGAL 4th of July, everyone!
Alice Horst
The Villages, Marion County

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Date: 7/3/14 1:48 pm
From: Brian Ahern <barredantshrike...>
Subject: Re: [BRDBRAIN] Gulf Coast King Rail
Hi Ken & all,

Since several different Pasco birders agree that both King & Clapper Rails
occur in the general area close together, how are you all ruling out King X
Clapper Rails hybrids which have been documented to occur along the Gulf
Coast where the two species come in close contact? The link Ron posting on
the article by Ted Floyd is a really good read!

Best,
Brian Ahern
Tampa Bay, FL.




On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 1:13 PM, Ken Tracey <kftracey...> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> The photos and group of King Rails were along the mangrove edge next to
> the fresh water area along Strauber Hwy. The Clapper Rails occur on the
> west side of Strauber Hwy. King Rails occur here year around. By
> description this was a King Rail. The orange chest up to front part of
> neck, bright white side streaking do not fit any Clapper Rails in our area
> and agrees with field guides. Beside this male responded to King Rail
> tape and aggressively thinks he is a King. His calls matched King on
> tape. It is King Rail!
>
> Ken Tracey
> New Port Richey FL
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Date: 7/3/14 10:13 am
From: Ken Tracey <kftracey...>
Subject: [BRDBRAIN] Gulf Coast King Rail
Hello,

The photos and group of King Rails were along the mangrove edge next to the fresh water area along Strauber Hwy. The Clapper Rails occur on the west side of Strauber Hwy. King Rails occur here year around. By description this was a King Rail. The orange
chest up to front part of neck, bright white side streaking do not fit
any Clapper Rails in our area and agrees with field guides. Beside
this male responded to King Rail tape and aggressively thinks he is a
King. His calls matched King on tape. It is King Rail!


Ken Tracey
New Port Richey FL


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Date: 7/3/14 7:54 am
From: Ron Smith <rsmithbirds...>
Subject: Re: [BRDBRAIN] Gulf Coast King Rail
I agree with Jeanne that the bird(s) photo'd by Ken are Clapper Rails.
Habitat, of course, would be the main reason, but the bird's steel gray
face is also un-King like. Detailed markings along the flanks also can give
away I.D.s on the best of specimens. Gulf Coast Clappers, I believe, are a
bit brighter than those found along the Atlantic coast (see article link
below). Photos I have seen of an inland, sure-bet King Rail from Pasco
County show a bird much brighter than those shown in Ken's post.

In Pinellas County, where I've watched our local population of King Rails
decrease to a point where I cannot take you to a spot where I know there is
one, we were lucky to have a King Rail spend last fall and the early
winter season in a freshwater pond/marsh just yards from a saltwater marsh
(a paved trail atop a dike seperate the two). Playing a tape of *either
species* would get responses from *either species*, but Sue Tavaglione's
excellent photos revealed a bright orange-ish, large rail, without a steel
gray face walk up and out of the freshwater side of things. By early
spring the bird was no longer present, off to northern climes we suspected.

The below link is a nice read written by Ted Floyd about the various rail
subspecies, etc.

http://blog.aba.org/2013/10/clapper-rail-split.html


Ron Smith
St. Pete, FL
www.PInellasBirds.com <http://www.pinellasbirds.com/>

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Date: 7/3/14 7:30 am
From: David Gagne <oporornis77...>
Subject: Re: [BRDBRAIN] "KING" RAILS IN PASCO OUNTY
Hi All,

As I KNOW for a fact that they are in this one spot and have seen and heard
them for years, but that is only in the winter in the freshwater marsh.
These photos where taken in the mangroves and I highly suspect that the
were Clappers, as they are VERY COMMON here, as I have heard over 20+ birds
here along this stretch of road, and ALL in the Mangroves.

Great Birding!!

Dave Gagne
New Port Richey, FL

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Date: 7/3/14 6:43 am
From: dubi <dubi...>
Subject: Re: [BRDBRAIN] Gulf Coast King Rail
Hey Ken and All: this looks like a Clapper Rail to me. Any thoughts? Thanks,
Jeanne Dubi, Sarasota; <dubi...>



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Subject: [BRDBRAIN] Gulf Coast King Rail



Hello,



Found an apparent family group of King Rails along Strauber Hwy in West
Pasco this morning. At one time there were 4 in view although they were
running across a mud flat fast. A tape call brought out the male and then a
juvenile to investigate.



Ken Tracey

New Port Richey

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Date: 7/2/14 5:19 pm
From: Rex Rowan <rexrowan...>
Subject: Re: [BRDBRAIN] Canada Goose - Tierra Verde - Pinellas
Canada Geese were very common wintering birds along the Gulf Coast from
Apalachicola Bay to Cedar Key as recently as the 1960s. A.H. Howell's *Florida
Bird Life* (1932) describes a flock of 3,000 in coastal Wakulla County in
December 1928.

Rex Rowan
Gainesville


On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 7:41 PM, rcress <w_ouzel...> wrote:

> Up in New England, large flocks winter in the ocean bays
>
> Rich Cressman
>
> Tampa FL
>
>
>
> *From:* Birdbrains - Florida Birds/Natural History [mailto:
> <BRDBRAIN...>] *On Behalf Of *Roger Newell
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 2, 2014 6:22 PM
> *To:* <BRDBRAIN...>
> *Subject:* [BRDBRAIN] Canada Goose - Tierra Verde - Pinellas
>
>
>
> The attached pic was taken May 21, 2014 at Tierra Verde causeway, Pinellas
> County.
> I have never seen a Canada Goose in salt water before, and was curious as
> whether
> this is a common occurrence but just not in my experience.
>
> Thanks for any feedback.
>
> Roger Newell
> Valrico, FL
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Date: 7/2/14 4:41 pm
From: rcress <w_ouzel...>
Subject: Re: [BRDBRAIN] Canada Goose - Tierra Verde - Pinellas
Up in New England, large flocks winter in the ocean bays

Rich Cressman

Tampa FL



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The attached pic was taken May 21, 2014 at Tierra Verde causeway, Pinellas
County.
I have never seen a Canada Goose in salt water before, and was curious as
whether
this is a common occurrence but just not in my experience.

Thanks for any feedback.

Roger Newell
Valrico, FL

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Date: 7/2/14 3:21 pm
From: Roger Newell <rkn43...>
Subject: [BRDBRAIN] Canada Goose - Tierra Verde - Pinellas
The attached pic was taken May 21, 2014 at Tierra Verde causeway, Pinellas County.
I have never seen a Canada Goose in salt water before, and was curious as whether
this is a common occurrence but just not in my experience.

Thanks for any feedback.

Roger Newell
Valrico, FL

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Date: 7/2/14 11:52 am
From: Ken Tracey <kftracey...>
Subject: [BRDBRAIN] Gulf Coast King Rail
Hello,

Found an apparent family group of King Rails along Strauber Hwy in West Pasco this morning. At one time there were 4 in view although they were running across a mud flat fast. A tape call brought out the male and then a juvenile to investigate.


Ken Tracey
New Port Richey


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Date: 7/2/14 5:11 am
From: Danny Bales <sueredfish...>
Subject: [BRDBRAIN] Western Trip Ends 7-2-14
After 43 days in Arizona my trip is finally come to an end. What a
spectacular place Arizona is. From the southeastern section to the White
Mountains! I got 86 lifers. Normally I would have had more, but I saw
some of the birds in Belize that were in Arizona. I was by myself with no
guide. However my friend Carl Edwards was on the phone with me
everyday giving me vital information where to look for birds. Carl has been
there 3 times so he is very familiar with the territory. Without his help I
would not have gotten so many different species. I birded the
southeastern circuit then went to the northern section including the Grand
Canyon and the White Mountains. I did not get all my target birds, but it
gives me a reason to go back. My last bird was the Abert's Towhee. I hope
you all enjoyed reading my reports as I birded. I must say it is very difficult
to see, and get a picture of every bird. One bonus is I not only got a lot of
my target birds, but also got the fledglings of some of my target birds. I
didn't expect to do that. I have posted all my lifers on my flickr site, and I
will be posting more different pictures of them. Please visit
www.flickr.com/photos/mudhen ..... You can see why Arizona is such a
great place to go see birds!

Danny Bales
Titusville, Fla.
www.flickr.com/photos/mudhen
Brevard

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Date: 7/1/14 8:15 am
From: Cuneyt Yilmaz <cnytyz...>
Subject: Re: [BRDBRAIN] "Oregon" Junco, North Anclote Bar, 30 Jun 2014. (No kidding!)
Before taking the picture, you should have waited until the guy who
released the bird into the wild moved away. :-)

Congrats!

Cuneyt
On Jun 30, 2014 5:59 PM, "Bill Pranty" <billpranty...> wrote:

> Good afternoon,
>
> Few people other than Dave Gagne could top yesterday's American Bittern
> record -- the first photographic record for Florida during summer (but I
> neglected two earlier specimen records).
>
> But Dave outdid himself today, by several orders of magnitude.
>
> How about an "Oregon" Dark-eyed Junco in west-central Florida the last day
> of June? Sure, no problem. I'm still fond of the Kelp Gull discovery
> several years ago -- and the White Wagtail that preceded the gull -- but
> this one is up there too ...
>
> I think this is the first summer record in Florida of any junco, and the
> first photographic record of any of the western junco subspecies. Our bird
> had a blackish hood with brown back and sides. The tail showed very bold
> white outer rectrices and the conical bill was pink. The junco was in
> distress from the heat, so once we got IDable photos, we left it alone. A
> Red-winged Blackbird harassed it whenever it flew.
>
> Gail Deterra got better photos of the junco and I'm guessing will post
> them soon.
>
> Thanks to Gail and Dave for a ridiculously awesome day.
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Bill Pranty
> Bayonet Point, Florida
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Date: 7/1/14 5:17 am
From: Scott Simmons <scott.j.simmons...>
Subject: [BRDBRAIN] Bobolink at Marl Bed Flats, 6/30/2014 (Seminole Co)
Hello all,

Yesterday Graham Williams found a Bobolink at Marl Bed Flats. After he let
me know, I drove over there and was able to see it and get a photograph. It
was a great way to wrap up the June Challenge. Graham and I were wondering
if this might be a latest record for the species.

This June Challenge has been pretty fascinating in Seminole County, as
there have been several sightings like this. A Savannah Sparrow was seen
at Marl Bed Flats on 6/2, A Ring-billed Gull was seen at the Lake Monroe
Marina on 6/9, a Tree Swallow was seen on 6/20 and 6/30 at Cameron Wight
Park (certainly the same one found earlier by Michael Brothers), and a
Caspian Tern was seen at the Lake Monroe Marina on 6/17. Gotta love June
Challenge!

Happy birding,

Scott Simmons
Winter Park, FL

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Date: 7/1/14 4:00 am
From: Rex Rowan <rexrowan...>
Subject: [BRDBRAIN] Reminder
Please send me your June Challenge totals today.

Birders in Alachua County turned up a handful of interesting birds during
the month, among which were three American Robins, two of which appear to
be nesting (a first for the county), a singing Gray Catbird, and a Tree
Swallow. Like Pasco County we had an American Bittern, but it was not
documented by the observer, and on the day after the sighting the county
thoughtfully closed the trail for maintenance so no one was able to follow
up on it.

Anyway, if you could send your totals by midnight tonight I'd be grateful.

Rex Rowan
Gainesville

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Date: 6/30/14 6:19 pm
From: David Gagne <oporornis77...>
Subject: [BRDBRAIN] June Challenge Highlights
Hi All,

I was able to score 145 species in Pasco County this month with only one
species heard and not seen, as that was Black Rail, which I heard on 2
different dates, but was unable to see the bird.

Missed some incredibly easy species such as Great Horned Owl, Northern
Flicker (VERY HARD to find these days in Pasco), King Rail, Prothonotary
Warbler, Common Loon, and Red-breasted Merganser. Although some of these
are not easy, other birders were able to score them!

Was shooting for 150 but, will settle for this, as this is my first Florida
June Challenge, as I have been working out of state for the past five years.

Here were my highlights:

GREATER SCAUP Gulf Harbors Golf Course: Seen by many!! Only Summer Pasco
Record!!!
Horned Grebe Green Key Seen by many
American White Pelican SR 52 2 fly overs low, incredibly lucky timing!!!
AMERICAN BITTERN photographed!!!
Mississippi Kite 2 Fly overs at my residence!!!
18 Species of shorebirds, but missed Whimbrel, Dunlin and White-rumped
Sandpiper
Black Tern a total of 61 birds on the off shore islands today
Common Tern 3 Anclote North Bar
BOBOLINK 2 Werner-Boyce on June 3rd, latest spring record for Pasco
Seaside Sparrow 3 different sightings of 5-6 birds @ Werner Boyce
DARK-EYED JUNCO "Oregon subspecies" PHOTOGRAPHED First STATE RECORD
AMERICAN GOLDFINCH Key Vista Park Latest Pasco spring record!! Male Flyover

I wish to thank ALL the birders who helped my this month, as I don't drive
at the moment, and this is an unforgettable June to say the least on my
first Challenge!!!

Dave Gagne
New Port Richey, FL

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Date: 6/30/14 4:54 pm
From: Nate Dias <offshorebirder...>
Subject: Re: [BRDBRAIN] Mottled Duck (Anas fulvigula fulvigula)
Actually Joe: the Mottled Ducks in South Carolina were trapped in Texas,
Louisiana AND FLORIDA and introduced to coastal South Carolina in the late
1970s and early 1980s.

Though there were fewer relocated Florida MODU versus LA and TX birds, they
were a part of the project. I suspect whatever study you referenced had
very few SC sites involved and simply missed sampling offspring from any of
the Florida birds that were relocated to SC...

Nathan Dias - Charleston, SC

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Subject: Mottled Duck (Anas fulvigula fulvigula)
From: Joseph Morlan <jmorlan...> <javascript:;>>
Date:Sun, 29 Jun 2014 12:12:13 -0700

3 April 2014. Wakodahatchee Wetlands, Palm Beach County, Florida, USA.

The Florida population is now recognized as a separate subspecies (A.f.
fulvigula) from the allopatric Texas and Louisiana population (A. f.
maculosa). Florida birds have a yellower bill, paler and less distinctly
marked plumage.

The population breeding in coastal South Carolina has been determined from
genetics to be introduced from A. f. maculosa rather than a natural range
extension from Florida.

This is a male. The female has an orange bill and the male has a yellow
bill. Females also have broader buff fringes on the body feathers giving
them a subtly lighter overall appearance.

The Mexican Duck (A. p. diazi) is genetically closer to the Mottled Duck
than it is to the Mallard with which it is currently lumped. Current
classification is untenable. See....

http://azfo.org/journal/mottled_duck.html

The main threat to this species is hybridization with feral Mallards.

Nikon P510 Coolpix Point-and-shoot.


--
Joseph Morlan, Pacifica, CA
"It turns out we're very good at not seeing things" - Jack Hitt

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Date: 6/30/14 4:37 pm
From: David Gagne <oporornis77...>
Subject: [BRDBRAIN] Anclote Islands, Pasco County, June 30, 2014
Hi All,

To follow up on Gail Deterra's and Bill Pranty's posts on the Junco, here
are our other highlights for the islands today:

Anclote North Bar:

Black-bellied Plover 1
Snowy Plover 1
Wilson's Plover 6 including 2 juveniles
Semipalmated Plover 16
Greater Yellowlegs 1
Willet 6 including 2 juveniles
Ruddy Turnstone 6
Sanderling 24
Least Sandpiper 3
Semipalmated Sandpiper 3
Western Sandpiper 3
Short-billed Dowitcher 35 ALL in basic plumage but 1
Least Tern 10 including 3 incubating!! LATE!!!
Black Tern 15
Common Tern 3

Considering ALL the boats and dogs that roam this small barrier island, was
totally surprised to see that both the Willets and Wilson's Plovers were
able to successfully nest here. EVEN more surprising is the fact that 3
Least Terns were sitting on nests!!! We harshly spoke to one group that
had a dog running loose within 50 feet of these Terns and luckily the dog
was restrained.

Anclote Key Preserve North End:

Black-bellied Plover 2
Wilson's Plover 6
Semipalmated plover 18
Greater Yellowlegs 1
Marbled Godwit 3
Red Knot 3 basic plumage all unbanded
Short-billed Dowitcher 52
Least Tern 49 including at least 7 hatch year juveniles
Black Tern 46 EXCEPTIONAL COUNT!
Prairie Warbler 1 singing


I know that many of these species are rather common in other coastal areas
of the state at this time of year, however, we lack appropriate shoreline
habitat here in Pasco County to see these species unless one is able to get
out to the islands.

I REALLY want to thank Gail for giving Bill and I the opportunity to view
these birds and SCORE the Junco!!!

Great Birding!!!

Dave Gagne
New Port Richey, FL

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Date: 6/30/14 3:17 pm
From: Gail Deterra <gdeterra...>
Subject: [BRDBRAIN] Dark-eyed "Oregon" Junco
At approximately 12:30 PM today, 30 June 2014 myself, Bill Pranty and Dave
Gagne were birding North Anclote Bar (Pasco County) when Dave observed a
small bird dive into the mangroves on the West side of the bar. As we got
closer Dave observed the bird through the spotting scope and announced it
was a Dark-eyed Junco. After thoroughly observing the bird as it perched on a
mangrove limb it was noticed that it had a dark head and also buff sides.
Further discussion and observation concluded that this was a male Dark-eyed
"Oregon" Junco (western population). The bird was observed by all three
of us for nearly 45 min. See photo attached.


Gail A. Deterra
Palm Harbor, FL



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Date: 6/30/14 2:58 pm
From: Bill Pranty <billpranty...>
Subject: [BRDBRAIN] "Oregon" Junco, North Anclote Bar, 30 Jun 2014. (No kidding!)
Good afternoon,

Few people other than Dave Gagne could top yesterday's American Bittern record -- the first photographic record for Florida during summer (but I neglected two earlier specimen records).

But Dave outdid himself today, by several orders of magnitude.

How about an "Oregon" Dark-eyed Junco in west-central Florida the last day of June? Sure, no problem. I'm still fond of the Kelp Gull discovery several years ago -- and the White Wagtail that preceded the gull -- but this one is up there too ...

I think this is the first summer record in Florida of any junco, and the first photographic record of any of the western junco subspecies. Our bird had a blackish hood with brown back and sides. The tail showed very bold white outer rectrices and the conical bill was pink. The junco was in distress from the heat, so once we got IDable photos, we left it alone. A Red-winged Blackbird harassed it whenever it flew.

Gail Deterra got better photos of the junco and I'm guessing will post them soon.

Thanks to Gail and Dave for a ridiculously awesome day.


Best regards,

Bill Pranty
Bayonet Point, Florida

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Date: 6/30/14 10:51 am
From: Ken Tracey <kftracey...>
Subject: [BRDBRAIN] Redhead Duck, Sun Toyota Pond, Holiday, Pasco
Hello,

I found a Redhead Duck and 2 Greater Yellowlegs at the Sun Toyota pond in Holiday, Pasco County, this morning. Also had an imm. Glossy Ibis with white neck


Ken Tracey
New Port Richey, FL


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Date: 6/30/14 6:31 am
From: Renne Leatto <renne...>
Subject: Re: [BRDBRAIN] 3 Southeastern American Kestrel (Orange, 29 Jun 2014)
We found a male Southeastern Kestrel on Powerline Road on Saturday. We've
seen him every summer when we've gone there (to look for kites) but didn't
know that if you see one in May, June, or July, it's the Southeastern
subspecies.



We also just learned that FWC eagerly want reports of Southeastern Kestrel
sightings. Here's the page .. They want sightings of burrowing owls and
painted buntings, too.

https://public.myfwc.com/FWRI/RareUpland/UserHome.aspx



Renee Leato

Windermere, Orange County













From: Robert Stalnaker [mailto:<robert.wildlife...>]
Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2014 3:34 PM
Subject: 3 Southeastern American Kestrel (Orange, 29 Jun 2014)



Greetings,



Last year in July, I found a single male American Kestrel on Haas Road, a
short distance west of Plymouth Sorrento Road.



I went back there today and found a pair. This is on a powerline easement
that has metal poles. However, the first set of poles south of the road is
wooden with many cavities. This is where the pair was. There was a
Red-bellied Woodpecker a couple feet away from the Kestrels, perhaps using
one of the cavities. As far as you could see in both directions, the poles
and areas nearby were void of birds, except on these two wooden poles,
widely separated. The effect of removal of wooden poles clearly shows.
Perhaps a birder in this area worked with the power company to retain these
two wooden poles during the replacement program.



Far off to the south, there was one other set of wooden poles among all the
metal poles, and surprise, there was Kestrel perched on the wire near those
wooden poles.



The status for this BBA location, Sorrento quad, block 6, has the American
Kestrel as "Possible Breeding". Maybe that was my submission last year.
Today, I was able to upgrade that to "Probable Breeding" with the pair.



Through the scope, the male lacked spots, a mark of this subspecies, but
there did seem to be a couple thin streaks on the white belly, buffy breast.



http://ebird.org/ebird/view/checklist?subID=S18944396



Bob Stalnaker
Longwood, FL

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Date: 6/30/14 6:24 am
From: Renne Leatto <renne...>
Subject: Re: [BRDBRAIN] Duck/Goose?? Lee Co
France,



As most Brdbrainers know, I used to raise many breeds of domestic ducks and
geese.



You don't have any geese in your collection of pics. You have the Pekins
and some domestic mixed breeds related to them. They do not appear to be
part wild Mallard - they are too heavy bodied. Many breeds of domestic duck
were developed from the Mallard. Some look very different than wild
Mallards, like the Pekin. But others have almost identical coloring to wild
Mallards, though their size and profile might be different.



I'm not an ebird expert, but I think we are only supposed to report wild
birds there.



Renee Leato

Windermere, Orange County










From: France [mailto:<france4fa...>]
Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2014 3:52 PM
Subject: Duck/Goose?? Lee Co



Good Afternoon Bird Folks;



I've been having a grand time hitting my county (Lee) and participating in
the June Challenge - I've tallied 94 so far and if these babies are
countable, that would make 95. My problem is that I can't find them in any
of my books, nor has the internet been helpful. The duck in question looks
like a goose but the bill is yellow and shaped like a duck bill. It was in a
big "family" group of 12 or so and nearby in the pond were wigeon, mallard
and mottled ducks. Could someone shed some light on this? One of my bird
friend thinks that it might be a type of domestic mallard.....if this is the
case, does that mean that it can't be recorded in E-bird?



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France Paulsen

Sanibel, Florida

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