Date: 9/9/24 10:55 am From: LAWRENCE LIESE <larryliese...> Subject: [AZNMbirds] Fw: Sweetwater Wetlands
Subject: Sweetwater Wetlands
Had a chance for a short SWW visit this morning. The water levels were about zero. Anyone know why?Not too many species but single Solitary Sandpiper and Green Heron were nice in the first pond.Larry Liese
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Date: 9/9/24 10:47 am From: Henry Detwiler <swbirders...> Subject: [AZNMbirds] SWAZ: Yuma County Birds
Greetings Birders,
My first birds yesterday (9 Sep 24) morning were a pair of BARN OWLS at
Dateland before sunrise. At Spot Road Farm the LESSER NIGHTHAWKS were still
hawking for insects when I saw the juvenile SABINE'S GULL found by Brian &
Susan flying around the north pond. Not long after, one of the NORTHERN
WATERTHRUSHES started feeding along the drainage ditch. A VERMILION
FLYCATCHER and several WILLOW FLYCATCHERS (one without a tail) were also
feeding there. The parade of flycatchers, warblers, and other passerines
continued throughout the morning. I added several first-of-season birds,
including an early SPOTTED TOWHEE and a WHITE-CROWNED SPARROW. A DICKCISSEL
and a LARK BUNTING were rare for the county. In one particularly birdy
area, the NASHVILLE WARBLERS were feeding in an alfalfa field and then
coming into mesquite brush not six feet away from me--great for photos. It
was also an exceptional morning for swallows, and I spotted both
VIOLET-GREEN and BANK SWALLOWS, usually quite difficult birds to see in our
county. By the time I left at 11:00 I'd tallied 88 species.
I kept adding birds at various locations on the way back to Yuma. A
SANDERLING at the Solar Pond west of Wellton was the standout. By the time
I got home at 3:00 p.m. I was at 111 birds. Watching the pond and feeders
for a while, I added HOODED ORIOLE and a few others, to end the day with
115 species. A big surprise was seeing a LOGGERHEAD SHRIKE come to the pond
and take a bird for dinner--I believe it was a WARBLING VIREO. It hung the
carcass up on a snag in the juniper behind the pond and would periodically
go back into the bush to feed on it.
Date: 9/8/24 7:37 pm From: Erika Wilson <terika88...> Subject: [AZNMbirds] SEAZ: Sierra Vista EOP--08 Sep 2024
Hi, birders,
Only four locals showed up at 07:00 to walk the Sierra Vista EOP dikes this
morning. We regretted the lack of visiting birders because it was a
splendid morning, with a grand total of 77 species. Of special interest to
us was the fact that water is being pumped into two more dry impoundments,
which should provide good birding in the coming weeks.
The top bird of the day was a *Sage Thrasher*, the 5th record for the EOP.
It was quite interesting to have a N. Mockingbird and a Curve-billed
Thrasher sharing the same dead shrub at the same time as the Sage Thrasher.
Early September marks the start of this species moving through or settling
down for the winter season. All the previous EOP records were in December
and January, so this may portend increased sightings in the coming months.
Four more species caught our special attention. First off was a Prairie
Falcon flying rapidly around in zigs and zags, chasing ducks to no avail.
We used to see this species annually, but since 2017 there have been only
sporadic sightings. A bit later in the morning we had the more regular
Peregrine Falcon soaring overhead. The EOP is known for its wintering
rails, especially Sora. Today we had a dozen birds calling, but even more
impressive was actually seeing five different birds in flight.
Two Willow Flycatchers today extended the month long run of this species,
normally seen only one or twice a year. Likewise a Rufous-winged Sparrow
was singing from the mesquite trees for the third week in a row at Moson
Road.
Bird walks behind the locked gates of the Sierra Vista EOP occur every
Sunday morning. For the fall months (September-November) walks start
promptly at *7:00 a.m.* Arrive early at the EOP Bird Viewing Platform to
sign in with the guide--group size is limited to fifteen. Late arrivals
will not have access behind the locked gates. Scopes are useful. Bring a
hat and water--there is no shade nor any amenities on the walk route. There
is a chem toilet in the parking area.
The EOP is located just east (~ 3 miles) of Sierra Vista on AZ Hwy 90. Look
for the Brua Animal Care Center and the Wildlife Viewing signs on the north
side of Hwy 90. Turn left (north) and proceed to the bird viewing platform.
Note that Google Maps may direct you to the wrong entrance.
Date: 9/8/24 9:16 am From: Rosie Watts <pinyonjay...> Subject: [AZNMbirds] Tropical Kingbird Fort Lowell Park
Good morning, Birders,
I don't get to do the morning walks at Fort Lowell every day, but this
morning I did and I was treated to the very distinctive call of the
tropical kingbird. Heard it for quite a while before I finally saw it
sally out from one of the mesquites at the northwest corner of the big
pond. It's been around for a while and posted to eBirds (which I still
haven't found time to monitor, but Jim keeps me posted on some of the
reports).
Also a western tanager in the same area, close to 100 lark sparrows out
in the field to the west near the unused ball field, mixed with house
finches and goldfinches, and probably other species I failed to pick out
since
I didn't have my binocs (walking the dog).
At home this week, we've had a few western tanager sightings, Wilson's and
yellow warblers, and yesterday morning I heard an American kestrel nearby -
a rare treat.
Date: 9/8/24 12:13 am From: Monte Taylor <fixyourcomputersd...> Subject: Re: [AZNMbirds] how many subscribers?
Just think, in another 10 years we'll have 10 more places to post new or rare bird sightings added to the curremt several now, maybe more.
It's amazing to me how so many people can get snookered into yet another posting place that the new birders or old as well aren't necessarily going to even know about to where only those who belong to the umpteen bird posting places, and no doubt new ones added constantly, will anyone else hear of a new bird for months! That is if you believe in fairytales thst each new posting site will be disclosed just magically to every birder out there!
How can anyone with any common sense NOT see this problem?
Amazing to me!
Yahoo Mail: Search, Organize, Conquer
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Date: 9/8/24 12:12 am From: Monte Taylor <fixyourcomputersd...> Subject: Re: [AZNMbirds] how many subscribers?
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Date: 9/8/24 12:12 am From: Monte Taylor <fixyourcomputersd...> Subject: Re: [AZNMbirds] Curlew Sandpiper--article on first AZ report
Just think, in another 10 years we'll have 10 more places to post new or rare bird sightings added to the curremt several now, maybe more.
It's amazing to me how so many people can get snookered into yet another posting place that the new birders or old as well aren't necessarily going to even know about to where only those who belong to the umpteen bird posting places, and no doubt new ones added constantly, will anyone else hear of a new bird for months! That is if you believe in fairytales thst each new posting site will be disclosed just magically to every birder out there!
How can anyone with any common sense NOT see this problem?
Amazing to me!
Yahoo Mail: Search, Organize, Conquer
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Date: 9/8/24 12:12 am From: Monte Taylor <fixyourcomputersd...> Subject: Re: [AZNMbirds] how many subscribers?
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Date: 9/8/24 12:11 am From: Monte Taylor <fixyourcomputersd...> Subject: Re: [AZNMbirds] how many subscribers?
Just think, in another 10 years we'll have 10 more places to post new or rare bird sightings added to the curremt several now, maybe more.
It's amazing to me how so many people can get snookered into yet another posting place that the new birders or old as well aren't necessarily going to even know about to where only those who belong to the umpteen bird posting places, and no doubt new ones added constantly, will anyone else hear of a new bird for months! That is if you believe in fairytales thst each new posting site will be disclosed just magically to every birder out there!
How can anyone with any common sense NOT see this problem?
Amazing to me!
Yahoo Mail: Search, Organize, Conquer
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Date: 9/8/24 12:11 am From: Monte Taylor <fixyourcomputersd...> Subject: Re: [AZNMbirds] how many subscribers?
Just think, in another 10 years we'll have 10 more places to post new or rare bird sightings added to the curremt several now, maybe more.
It's amazing to me how so many people can get snookered into yet another posting place that the new birders or old as well aren't necessarily going to even know about to where only those who belong to the umpteen bird posting places, and no doubt new ones added constantly, will anyone else hear of a new bird for months! That is if you believe in fairytales thst each new posting site will be disclosed just magically to every birder out there!
How can anyone with any common sense NOT see this problem?
Amazing to me!
Yahoo Mail: Search, Organize, Conquer
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Date: 9/8/24 12:11 am From: Monte Taylor <fixyourcomputersd...> Subject: Re: [AZNMbirds] how many subscribers?
Just think, in another 10 years we'll have 10 more places to post new or rare bird sightings added to the curremt several now, maybe more.
It's amazing to me how so many people can get snookered into yet another posting place that the new birders or old as well aren't necessarily going to even know about to where only those who belong to the umpteen bird posting places, and no doubt new ones added constantly, will anyone else hear of a new bird for months! That is if you believe in fairytales thst each new posting site will be disclosed just magically to every birder out there!
How can anyone with any common sense NOT see this problem?
Amazing to me!
Yahoo Mail: Search, Organize, Conquer
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Date: 9/8/24 12:10 am From: Monte Taylor <fixyourcomputersd...> Subject: Re: [AZNMbirds] Listserv/Discord
Just think, in another 10 years we'll have 10 more places to post new or rare bird sightings added to the curremt several now, maybe more.
It's amazing to me how so many people can get snookered into yet another posting place that the new birders or old as well aren't necessarily going to even know about to where only those who belong to the umpteen bird posting places, and no doubt new ones added constantly, will anyone else hear of a new bird for months! That is if you believe in fairytales thst each new posting site will be disclosed just magically to every birder out there!
How can anyone with any common sense NOT see this problem?
Amazing to me!
Yahoo Mail: Search, Organize, Conquer
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Date: 9/8/24 12:07 am From: Monte Taylor <fixyourcomputersd...> Subject: Re: [AZNMbirds] Curlew Sandpiper--article on first AZ report
Yeah Karen just think, in another 10 years we'll have 10 more places to post new or rare bird sightings added to the curremt several now, maybe more.
It's amazing to me how so many people can get snookered into yet another posting place that the new birders or old as well aren't necessarily going to even know about to where only those who belong to the umpteen bird posting places, and no doubt new ones added constantly will anyone else hear of a new bird for months! That is if you believe in fairytales thst each new posting site will be disclosed just magically to every birder out there!
How can anyone with any common sense NOT see this problem?
Amazing to me!
Yahoo Mail: Search, Organize, Conquer
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Date: 9/7/24 5:38 pm From: Henry Detwiler <swbirders...> Subject: [AZNMbirds] SWAZ: Yuma County Migration Report
Greetings Birders,
This past week may have been the finest one-week stretch of migratory
standouts ever in Yuma County!
On Tuesday (3 Sep), I made a morning visit to Spot Road Farm and came away
78 species, the best of which were PURPLE MARTIN, VAUX'S and WHITE-THROATED
SWIFTS, 8 species of flycatchers, and 2 DICKCISSELS.
On Wednesday (4 Sep), Gary and company recorded 93 species of birds at Spot
Road Farm. Among the good ones were OLIVE-SIDED FLYCATCHER, SWAINSON'S
THRUSH, and 2 PAINTED BUNTINGS.
On Thursday (5 Sep), in our Yuma one-acre yard with a small pond and drip,
we counted 49 species of birds during the course of the day, the best of
which was an EASTERN KINGBIRD. Other nice birds seen were 2 RED-SHOULDERED
HAWKS, BROWN-CRESTED FLYCATCHER, CASSIN'S VIREO, and 7 species of warblers.
Yesterday morning (6 Sep) I spent four hours in the early morning at Spot
Road Farm and located 84 species, the best of which were PRAIRIE FALCON,
GRAY FLYCATCHER, BANK SWALLOW, and LARK BUNTING.
Today (7 Sep) Brian and Susan visited Spot Road Farm in the early afternoon
and spotted a SABINE'S GULL, a CASSIN'S KINGBIRD, and 3 NORTHERN
WATERTHRUSHES.
Migrants have run the gamut from waterfowl to shorebirds to flycatchers to
vireos to sparrows. It's been lots of fun!
Date: 9/7/24 5:08 pm From: <trochetj...> Subject: [AZNMbirds] CWNM: Zuni Mountains brown pelican now
Dear Birders,
At the far southern end of Bluewater Lake (access via Bluewater Lake State Park Las Tusas Unit-$5 entry fee) is a juvenile brown pelican. Crummy digiscoped picture documentation of this regional first.
Date: 9/7/24 3:57 pm From: <trochetj...> Subject: [AZNMbirds] CWNM: Zuni Mountains area birds the last few days
Dear Birders,
I have a signal at the moment, and I have turned up a couple of goodies, so I will send a note to the listserv now.
Best was a Philadelphia vireo this afternoon in a mixed flock responding to pygmy-owl calls north of Ojo Redondo campground in the eastern part of the Zunis. From the campground, take the drainage of Forest Road 504A, but take the cattle trail on the east side of the drainage. Go north to the top of a lush grassy swale, then angle right about 30 degrees up the slope nearly to the ridge top. The flock came to me in this area. It also included an adult male olive warbler. Another olive warbler, possibly a hatch year bird, was along 504A just over the divide in the Diener Canyon drainage. Both were calling.
Just now there is a pectoral sandpiper at the northwest extremity of Bluewater Lake. Two were here yesterday morning. Also seen and heard then was a chestnut-collared longspur. This seems early, but Arch McCallum calls September the month to find these longspurs on the south shore of the lake.
On Thursday at the dam area of Ramah Lake I found a ladder-backed woodpecker. These are regular in the area only along the eastern margin of these mountains.
Best,
John Trochet
Sacramento
currently in the Zuni Mountains region
Date: 9/7/24 8:36 am From: Mark Stevenson <drbrdr...> Subject: [AZNMbirds] FW RBA Tucson, AZ - 6 September 2024
From: Andrew Core
Date: Fri, Sep 6, 2024, 10:00 PM
Hello Birders,
This update of Tucson Audubon Society's Rare Bird Alert for Southeast Arizona was made on September 6, 2024; the next update will be made on September 13.
Abbreviation "m.ob." = multiple observers. An asterisk (*) preceding a species name in the list indicates that it merits careful, full documentation. A pound sign (#) indicates that brief corroborating details are warranted.
SPECIES MENTIONED IN THIS REPORT:
#Short-tailed Hawk
#Short-billed Dowitcher
#Berylline Hummingbird
#Green Kingfisher
#Eastern Kingbird
#Rose-throated Becard
#Hooded Warbler
#Rufous-capped Warbler
*FLAME-COLORED TANAGER
#Orchard Oriole
SIERRA VISTA & the HUACHUCAS
In Miller Canyon, the last report of *FLAME-COLORED TANAGERs was on 9/2 (Jim and Brenda Carpenter) a short distance up from the parking area. GPS: 31.4115, -110.2813
TUCSON area
A #SHORT-TAILED HAWK continued over the upper areas of Mt Lemmon, one being reported over Mt Bigelow Rd and Incinerator Ridge this week (m.ob.).
An #EASTERN KINGBIRD was photographed at Sabino Canyon near the dam on 9/3 (Jean Hengesbaugh).
An #EASTERN KINGBIRD was reported on 9/5 (Eric Kallen) at Sweetwater Wetlands; it continued through 9/6, often perching across the street at Agua Nueva Park.
WILLCOX & the SULPHUR SPRINGS VALLEY
A #SHORT-BILLED DOWITCHER was reported at Lake Cochise by the Twin Lakes Golf Course on 9/2 (Rob Payne) and two were reported on 9/6 (Dave Stejskal).
WHITEWATER DRAW
At Whitewater Draw Wildlife Area, three #SHORT-BILLED DOWITCHERS and an #ORCHARD ORIOLE were reported on 8/31 (Ron Beck); five dowitchers were reported on 9/3 and continued through 9/5 (m.ob.).
GREEN VALLEY & the SANTA RITAS
A #SHORT-BILLED DOWITCHER continued at the Green Valley WRF through 9/2 (m.ob.).
In Madera Canyon, a #BERYLLINE HUMMINGBIRD continued at both the Madera Kubo B&B and the Santa Rita Lodge this week (m.ob.). Another adult bird that has been frequenting the feeders for a few weeks is apparently a Broad-billed x Berylline Hummingbird, a combination unrecorded in the literature.
PORTAL & the CHIRICAHUAS
A #BERYLLINE HUMMINGBIRD continued at the Southwestern Research Station through 9/5 (m.ob.).
A #HOODED WARBLER was reported in South Fork of Cave Creek Canyon on 9/6 (Jerry Zatorski).
PATAGONIA
A #ROSE-THROATED BECARD continued along Harshaw Creek Road this week (m.ob.). GPS: 31.5151, -110.6928
TUBAC area
#ROSE-THROATED BECARDs continued north of the Tubac bridge and at Santa Gertrudis Lane this week (m.ob.).
NOGALES area
A #RUFOUS-CAPPED WARBLER continued in Sycamore Canyon on 8/31 (Jim and Brenda Carpenter).
Date: 9/7/24 7:47 am From: John Williams <john...> Subject: [AZNMbirds] Eastern Kingbird- Agua Nuevo 6:40 AM
The Eastern Kingbird was hawking from the railing of the old sewerage treatment tank inside the 8 foot chainlink to the east of the ponds.
A Bank Swallow took a drink, 24 White-faced Ibis flew by over the river.
15-25 Western Kingbirds were also foraging the area; the fruit tree by the shed roof was a favorite. The Eastern was in it when I first spotted it.
Saw it again at 6:55 as I headed out.
Date: 9/6/24 2:52 pm From: T.G. Miko <tgmiko...> Subject: Re: [AZNMbirds] how many subscribers?
The link is not working for me. Can I please have a new invitation?
Thomas Geza Miko
Claremont, LA County
909.241.3300
"If you seek the truth, be aware that the truth has many faces."--Neil
DeGrasse Tyson
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Date: 9/6/24 1:16 pm From: John Williams <john...> Subject: [AZNMbirds] Two Cents Worth
I have been reading through all the responses about who’s list is the best, brightest, fastest….
I differ from this world of needing/craving instant connection …. I look at what is in front of me, and listen for any sounds available…. I do not look at a phone APP. I am forced to know what I’m looking at, and try to retain what I hear well enough to look up at home. I bird watch to enjoy watching birds, not screens.
I know I miss out on the "latest of five minutes ago", but I decided long ago that I’m never going to be #1 on any bird list, so I enjoy the harmony of nature, reducing my blood pressure, BREATHE!
I have only used the AZlist as it provides what I want. And remember, there is no first prize.
That said, a Cassin’s Vireo was my fourth vireo species in two days. Multiple warblers moving through, many too fast to ID, A Yellow and a MacGillivray’s held still.
Every sparrow was a Brewer’s Sparrow (Dozens) until a pair of Savannah’s popped up, and a single Black-throated in the desert scrub around the golf course at Arthur Pack Park.
A Greater Yellowlegs flew over tew-tew-tewing as it headed south. A pair of American Wigeons was on the 9th hole pond. Missed on the recently reported Virginia Rail…. 5 coyotes.
Date: 9/6/24 9:31 am From: Lori Conrad <lconrad6853...> Subject: RE: [AZNMbirds] Curlew Sandpiper--article on first AZ report
Well said, Sharon!
From: <aznmbirds-request...> [mailto:<aznmbirds-request...>] On Behalf Of Sharon Goldwasser
Sent: Friday, September 6, 2024 2:26 AM
To: Laurie Nessel
Cc: Richard Ditch; AZ List; Pierre Deviche; Jacob Bagley; <byardm...>; Elizabeth Farquhar
Subject: Re: [AZNMbirds] Curlew Sandpiper--article on first AZ report
Hi there,
I’m away in Ireland and not reading all my email in a timely way, but just to add my 2 cents worth.
I guess I’m one of the old guard here. In 1980 when I moved to SE Arizona, we had the phone trees and the phone-in taped weekly message to distribute sightings. My husband, Chuck Williamson, was one of several people who were instrumental in developing the listserv systems (BirdChat) and getting weekly reports transcribed and sent out to subscribers. Eventually, the AZNM listserv was set up, and as more people got access to email, it was a huge advance in being able to exchange information. There was also learning curve in figuring out how to subscribe etc. and it does require the efforts someone as a moderator at times. Thank you Mark Stevenson for taking that on when Chuck had to bow out. (Not sure if someone else needs thanking for that as well).
For a good many years, the listserv was the best and most efficient way to distribute bird sightings in addition to the weekly recorded message. Now we have multiple digital platforms to choose from, with advantages and disadvantages. Some of our younger members of the birding community tend to be more comfortable with Discord and other apps and have led the way in helping get those established.
So now we can subscribe to the eBird bird alerts, and most of our community uses eBird. You can get hourly or daily alerts for rare birds. Disadvantage, if you want to hear about every rare bird more frequently than daily, the hourly alerts are going to clog up the email inbox pretty quick.
The Facebook page on Arizona Birding is out there now for photos and discussions.
And on to Discord… The obvious plus for Discord is that it offers instantaneous information. Not everyone wants or needs that, but it’s the best option I know of right now to hear about rare birds. I didn’t find the learning curve that hard. What I like is that you can opt in for which alerts you want by county, as well as the full state, and there are discussion channels for a lot of related topics such as meet-ups, site access, buy/sell/trade etc. Disadvantage- sometimes there is more chit-chat that can be distracting and not everyone remembers that 1000 people will be getting those conversations.
Back to the listserv: I think it is underutilized for getting out general information about sightings that are of interest but not necessarily about rare birds. Local population trends and changes, birds that are unexpected for a particular site etc. It’s better suited for narratives. I’m personally guilty of not using it as much as I used to, but on those seemingly rare occasions when I find something notable, I’ll usually put it here as well as Discord.
Personally, I appreciate getting the information in multiple ways and it’s really a tribute to Chuck’s efforts (and the efforts of a few others) that we have the listserv at all.
Respectfully,
Sharon Goldwasser
Tucson, AZ
On Sep 5, 2024, at 2:39 PM, Laurie Nessel <laurienessel...> wrote:
On Wed, Sep 4, 2024 at 8:32 PM Byard Miller <byardm...> wrote:
Amen Mr Ditch!
Why abandon a system that has been so productive for years.
I know nothing about Discord but assume it is yet another social media app that will find a way to mine my personal info. I abandoned FB many years ago. No TikTok for me. If the list serve gets abandoned it will be a loss for the birding community.
Sent from Byard's iPhone
On Sep 4, 2024, at 8:06 PM, Richard Ditch <richardditch...> wrote:
Pierre:
Thanks for replying. But you seem to be missing an important point here - who ever told those of us that this decision had been made? How are those of us who have been using the AZ List for almost 30 years supposed to know that a bunch of Alpha Birders have decided to not bother sharing information with those who have long contributed to the AZ birding community? Who decided this was the way it would be in the future? When and where was this discussed? What alternatives were considered? Who has decided what birders now comprise the state birding community?
I doubt if I am the only geezer birder in AZ who has a good history of contributing to our state birding community. But I guess that my declining mobility has now forced me out of that community.
Richard Ditch. AZ Geezer former birder
Phoenix, AZ
On Sep 4, 2024, at 7:47 PM, Pierre Deviche <Pierre.Deviche...> wrote:
For the record - not that it matters much either way - after discovering the Gila Bend Curlew Sandpiper last July, I posted on Discord and NOT on the AZ List. The AZ Discord channel now has ~1,000 members and seems to be the preferred mode of communication and rapid information exchange within the state birding community - for good reasons, as Jacob explains in his message.
Pierre Deviche.
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From: Jacob Bagley <jacobboutdoors...>
Sent: Wednesday, September 4, 2024 18:49
To: Elizabeth Farquhar <liz.farquhar51...>
Cc: Richard Ditch <richardditch...>; AZ List <aznmbirds...>; Pierre Deviche <deviche...>
Subject: Re: [AZNMbirds] Curlew Sandpiper--article on first AZ report
Or, Richard, we could use the Arizona Rare Birds and Discussion Discord that was recently created by young birders. It now has 1000 members, and has proven to be a fast and effective means of spreading the word of all manner of bird sightings. Additionally, the discussion aspect of it allows the community to connect on a wide manner of topics from conservation to bird id help to avian science.
This “telephone tree” system that you reference, as well as this listserv, are simply more dated means of communication. If you’re looking for the best way to hear about rare birds, I highly recommend joining the Discord. Birding is changing just like everything else in the world, and it’s much better to grow and adapt with it than be left behind. Hope to see you on the Discord!
Respectfully,
Jacob Bagley, AZ Young Birder
On Wed, Sep 4, 2024 at 17:30 Elizabeth Farquhar <liz.farquhar51...> wrote:
Hear hear! I'm for using this list service.
On Wed, Sep 4, 2024, 2:48 PM Richard Ditch <richardditch...> wrote:
I’d like to thank Pierre Deviche for the timely posting of information about the Curlew Sandpiper he discovered in Gila Bend on July 20, 2024. It is always so nice to see such reports of rarities here on the AZ List so that all AZ birders know about them without the need to check ebird, facebook, and even Discord. With so much Balkanization in the information world it can be difficult for the birding community to find such information in a timely manner. Perhaps we could create a Telephone Tree Network where a report is provided to a person at the top of Tree who then calls selected birders on the next level down, then each of those notified people can call other on the next lower level. Or, instead of this ’50’s era system we could just use the Listserv that we’ve had in AZ since the ’90’s.
Richard Ditch
Phoenix
On Sep 4, 2024, at 1:55 PM, Doug Jenness <dougjenness...> wrote:
Date: 9/6/24 8:28 am From: darlene lesterfam.com <darlene...> Subject: RE: [AZNMbirds] how many subscribers?
This link worked for me! Thank you!
Darlene Lester
From: <aznmbirds-request...> <aznmbirds-request...> On Behalf Of David Wright
Sent: Thursday, September 5, 2024 3:29 PM
To: Betsy Checchia <betsy.checchia...>
Cc: AZNM Birds <aznmbirds...>
Subject: Re: [AZNMbirds] how many subscribers?
If subscribers were encouraged to post on AZNMBIRDS, there might be more posts. New Mexico Rare Birds moved to Discord, but I for one have been unable to subscribe to it. That's why I try to post to AZNMBIRDS as often as possible. I get a lot of emails expressing thanks for my posts. Not sure why the newest, shiniest thing in apps is better.
Betsy Checchia
South Valley, ABQ, NM
On Thu, Sep 5, 2024 at 1:57 PM David Wright <davidwright11...><mailto:<davidwright11...>> wrote:
Listowner Mark S say 1715 subscribers (some not active) to AZNMBIRDS listserv
Date: 9/6/24 2:26 am From: Sharon Goldwasser <azfiddle...> Subject: Re: [AZNMbirds] Curlew Sandpiper--article on first AZ report
Hi there,
I’m away in Ireland and not reading all my email in a timely way, but just to add my 2 cents worth.
I guess I’m one of the old guard here. In 1980 when I moved to SE Arizona, we had the phone trees and the phone-in taped weekly message to distribute sightings. My husband, Chuck Williamson, was one of several people who were instrumental in developing the listserv systems (BirdChat) and getting weekly reports transcribed and sent out to subscribers. Eventually, the AZNM listserv was set up, and as more people got access to email, it was a huge advance in being able to exchange information. There was also learning curve in figuring out how to subscribe etc. and it does require the efforts someone as a moderator at times. Thank you Mark Stevenson for taking that on when Chuck had to bow out. (Not sure if someone else needs thanking for that as well).
For a good many years, the listserv was the best and most efficient way to distribute bird sightings in addition to the weekly recorded message. Now we have multiple digital platforms to choose from, with advantages and disadvantages. Some of our younger members of the birding community tend to be more comfortable with Discord and other apps and have led the way in helping get those established.
So now we can subscribe to the eBird bird alerts, and most of our community uses eBird. You can get hourly or daily alerts for rare birds. Disadvantage, if you want to hear about every rare bird more frequently than daily, the hourly alerts are going to clog up the email inbox pretty quick.
The Facebook page on Arizona Birding is out there now for photos and discussions.
And on to Discord… The obvious plus for Discord is that it offers instantaneous information. Not everyone wants or needs that, but it’s the best option I know of right now to hear about rare birds. I didn’t find the learning curve that hard. What I like is that you can opt in for which alerts you want by county, as well as the full state, and there are discussion channels for a lot of related topics such as meet-ups, site access, buy/sell/trade etc. Disadvantage- sometimes there is more chit-chat that can be distracting and not everyone remembers that 1000 people will be getting those conversations.
Back to the listserv: I think it is underutilized for getting out general information about sightings that are of interest but not necessarily about rare birds. Local population trends and changes, birds that are unexpected for a particular site etc. It’s better suited for narratives. I’m personally guilty of not using it as much as I used to, but on those seemingly rare occasions when I find something notable, I’ll usually put it here as well as Discord.
Personally, I appreciate getting the information in multiple ways and it’s really a tribute to Chuck’s efforts (and the efforts of a few others) that we have the listserv at all.
Respectfully,
Sharon Goldwasser
Tucson, AZ
> On Sep 5, 2024, at 2:39 PM, Laurie Nessel <laurienessel...> wrote:
>
> For those of us old geezers who are flexible and interested in keeping up with the times, the link to the birding Discord is https://url.usb.m.mimecastprotect.com/s/fjfoCA8EBztNlpDYZCGNLxU?<domain...> <https://url.usb.m.mimecastprotect.com/s/fjfoCA8EBztNlpDYZCGNLxU?<domain...>.
>
>
>
> Laurie Nessel
> 602.391.4303
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 4, 2024 at 8:32 PM Byard Miller <byardm...> <mailto:<byardm...>> wrote:
>> Amen Mr Ditch!
>>
>> Why abandon a system that has been so productive for years.
>>
>> I know nothing about Discord but assume it is yet another social media app that will find a way to mine my personal info. I abandoned FB many years ago. No TikTok for me. If the list serve gets abandoned it will be a loss for the birding community.
>>
>> Sent from Byard's iPhone
>>
>>> On Sep 4, 2024, at 8:06 PM, Richard Ditch <richardditch...> <mailto:<richardditch...>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Pierre:
>>>
>>> Thanks for replying. But you seem to be missing an important point here - who ever told those of us that this decision had been made? How are those of us who have been using the AZ List for almost 30 years supposed to know that a bunch of Alpha Birders have decided to not bother sharing information with those who have long contributed to the AZ birding community? Who decided this was the way it would be in the future? When and where was this discussed? What alternatives were considered? Who has decided what birders now comprise the state birding community?
>>>
>>> I doubt if I am the only geezer birder in AZ who has a good history of contributing to our state birding community. But I guess that my declining mobility has now forced me out of that community.
>>>
>>> Richard Ditch. AZ Geezer former birder
>>> Phoenix, AZ
>>>
>>>> On Sep 4, 2024, at 7:47 PM, Pierre Deviche <Pierre.Deviche...> <mailto:<Pierre.Deviche...>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> For the record - not that it matters much either way - after discovering the Gila Bend Curlew Sandpiper last July, I posted on Discord and NOT on the AZ List. The AZ Discord channel now has ~1,000 members and seems to be the preferred mode of communication and rapid information exchange within the state birding community - for good reasons, as Jacob explains in his message.
>>>>
>>>> Pierre Deviche.
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>>>> From: Jacob Bagley <jacobboutdoors...> <mailto:<jacobboutdoors...>> >>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 4, 2024 18:49
>>>> To: Elizabeth Farquhar <liz.farquhar51...> <mailto:<liz.farquhar51...>> >>>> Cc: Richard Ditch <richardditch...> <mailto:<richardditch...>>; AZ List <aznmbirds...> <mailto:<aznmbirds...>>; Pierre Deviche <deviche...> <mailto:<deviche...>> >>>> Subject: Re: [AZNMbirds] Curlew Sandpiper--article on first AZ report
>>>>
>>>> Or, Richard, we could use the Arizona Rare Birds and Discussion Discord that was recently created by young birders. It now has 1000 members, and has proven to be a fast and effective means of spreading the word of all manner of bird sightings. Additionally, the discussion aspect of it allows the community to connect on a wide manner of topics from conservation to bird id help to avian science.
>>>>
>>>> This “telephone tree” system that you reference, as well as this listserv, are simply more dated means of communication. If you’re looking for the best way to hear about rare birds, I highly recommend joining the Discord. Birding is changing just like everything else in the world, and it’s much better to grow and adapt with it than be left behind. Hope to see you on the Discord!
>>>>
>>>> Respectfully,
>>>>
>>>> Jacob Bagley, AZ Young Birder
>>>> On Wed, Sep 4, 2024 at 17:30 Elizabeth Farquhar <liz.farquhar51...> <mailto:<liz.farquhar51...>> wrote:
>>>> Hear hear! I'm for using this list service.
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Sep 4, 2024, 2:48 PM Richard Ditch <richardditch...> <mailto:<richardditch...>> wrote:
>>>> I’d like to thank Pierre Deviche for the timely posting of information about the Curlew Sandpiper he discovered in Gila Bend on July 20, 2024. It is always so nice to see such reports of rarities here on the AZ List so that all AZ birders know about them without the need to check ebird, facebook, and even Discord. With so much Balkanization in the information world it can be difficult for the birding community to find such information in a timely manner. Perhaps we could create a Telephone Tree Network where a report is provided to a person at the top of Tree who then calls selected birders on the next level down, then each of those notified people can call other on the next lower level. Or, instead of this ’50’s era system we could just use the Listserv that we’ve had in AZ since the ’90’s.
>>>>
>>>> Richard Ditch
>>>> Phoenix
>>>>
>>>>> On Sep 4, 2024, at 1:55 PM, Doug Jenness <dougjenness...> <mailto:<dougjenness...>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> 4 September 2024
>>>>>
>>>>> Arizona Birds <https://url.usb.m.mimecastprotect.com/s/ZZI4CB1GDAT7RWLoDS6mcl5?<domain...>, the online journal of the Arizona Field Ornithologists, has just posted a new article <https://url.usb.m.mimecastprotect.com/s/AFA9CDwKGDT5JY8PoCAsq1R?<domain...> on Arizona's first reported Curlew Sandpiper in July. You'll want to check out this article with its photos. While you're at the journal you may want to look at earlier articles about first state records of other shorebirds including American Woodcock <https://url.usb.m.mimecastprotect.com/s/uFmPCEKLJEt304ZPlCPNjiY?<domain...> and Black Turnstone <https://url.usb.m.mimecastprotect.com/s/XMT4CGwNLJT1O3zgBtkcxWg?<domain...>.
>>>>>
>>>>> Doug Jenness
>>>>> Tucson, Az
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Date: 9/6/24 1:16 am From: The Cornells <nickandvictoriacornell...> Subject: Re: [AZNMbirds] how many subscribers?
And AZNM Birds is so great for UK birders like myself who love visiting
Arizona. It has a real community feel about it.
Long may it continue.
On Fri, 6 Sept 2024, 01:38 Nicholas Whelan, <nicholas.whelan...>
wrote:
> I cannot stress too strongly the hope that we all continue to use this
> site. In other states that I check in on in the west, good birders, the
> most active birders, use their websites to report sightings, engage in
> observations and debates, in addition to using ebird to more formally
> record their sightings. To me, it is dismaying that the AZ and NM birding
> communities are not following suit.
>
> Nick Whelan
> Hereford, AZ
>
> On Thursday, September 5, 2024 at 03:36:26 PM MST, David Wright <
> <davidwright11...> wrote:
>
>
> Apparently that link is “protected” from being copied…
>
> The link in the post from Ash Ponders at 9:15 today worked this am.
>
>
>
> On Sep 5, 2024, at 2:46 PM, Betsy Checchia <betsy.checchia...>
> wrote:
>
> If subscribers were encouraged to post on AZNMBIRDS, there might be more
> posts. New Mexico Rare Birds moved to Discord, but I for one have been
> unable to subscribe to it. That's why I try to post to AZNMBIRDS as often
> as possible. I get a lot of emails expressing thanks for my posts. Not
> sure why the newest, shiniest thing in apps is better.
>
> Betsy Checchia
> South Valley, ABQ, NM
>
> On Thu, Sep 5, 2024 at 1:57 PM David Wright <davidwright11...>
> wrote:
>
> Listowner Mark S say 1715 subscribers (some not active) to AZNMBIRDS
> listserv
>
> So Discord is catching up…
>
>
> Home Page: https://list.arizona.edu/sympa/info/aznmbirds > To unsubscribe use the Unsubscribe button on that page.
> To view archive: click "Archive" on that page.
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>
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Date: 9/5/24 6:25 pm From: Lori Conrad <lconrad6853...> Subject: Re: [AZNMbirds] how many subscribers?
Discord got us to not drive right by Arizona’s first Curlew Sandpiper in
July, on our way to California. I wouldn’t have received that info as
quickly on the Listserve, wouldn’t have known about it until we were long
past it.
We personally love Discord for that reason, and several others. It’s very
user friendly, after a short learning period. And immediate. I’ve been
using it since it started in Arizona and I’m one of those “Old Geezers”!
And in a few other states as well.
It would be nice though, if people ALSO post their sightings on the
Listserve, for those that are still solely reliant on it for their
information.
Lori and Mark Conrad
Portal, AZ
On Thu, Sep 5, 2024 at 6:12 PM Mike Judd <ebwilderae...> wrote:
> This listserve got me to turn around in Wilcox & return for great looks at
> an Eared Quetzal. I expect others could cite lifers & rarities also. Real
> time information.
>
> Also the page on Facebook is useful & friendly. Then to eBird to record my
> sightings.
>
> I really need another platform as much as I need these ultra long
> elections.
>
> Cheers
>
> Mike
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 5, 2024, at 5:32 PM, Nicholas Whelan <nicholas.whelan...>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> I cannot stress too strongly the hope that we all continue to use this
> site. In other states that I check in on in the west, good birders, the
> most active birders, use their websites to report sightings, engage in
> observations and debates, in addition to using ebird to more formally
> record their sightings. To me, it is dismaying that the AZ and NM birding
> communities are not following suit.
>
> Nick Whelan
> Hereford, AZ
>
> On Thursday, September 5, 2024 at 03:36:26 PM MST, David Wright <
> <davidwright11...> wrote:
>
>
> Apparently that link is “protected” from being copied…
>
> The link in the post from Ash Ponders at 9:15 today worked this am.
>
>
>
> On Sep 5, 2024, at 2:46 PM, Betsy Checchia <betsy.checchia...>
> wrote:
>
> If subscribers were encouraged to post on AZNMBIRDS, there might be more
> posts. New Mexico Rare Birds moved to Discord, but I for one have been
> unable to subscribe to it. That's why I try to post to AZNMBIRDS as often
> as possible. I get a lot of emails expressing thanks for my posts. Not
> sure why the newest, shiniest thing in apps is better.
>
> Betsy Checchia
> South Valley, ABQ, NM
>
> On Thu, Sep 5, 2024 at 1:57 PM David Wright <davidwright11...>
> wrote:
>
> Listowner Mark S say 1715 subscribers (some not active) to AZNMBIRDS
> listserv
>
> So Discord is catching up…
>
>
> Home Page: https://list.arizona.edu/sympa/info/aznmbirds > To unsubscribe use the Unsubscribe button on that page.
> To view archive: click "Archive" on that page.
>
>
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> To view archive: click "Archive" on that page.
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Date: 9/5/24 5:32 pm From: Nicholas Whelan <nicholas.whelan...> Subject: Re: [AZNMbirds] how many subscribers?
I cannot stress too strongly the hope that we all continue to use this site. In other states that I check in on in the west, good birders, the most active birders, use their websites to report sightings, engage in observations and debates, in addition to using ebird to more formally record their sightings. To me, it is dismaying that the AZ and NM birding communities are not following suit.
Nick WhelanHereford, AZ
On Thursday, September 5, 2024 at 03:36:26 PM MST, David Wright <davidwright11...> wrote:
Apparently that link is “protected” from being copied…
The link in the post from Ash Ponders at 9:15 today worked this am.
On Sep 5, 2024, at 2:46 PM, Betsy Checchia <betsy.checchia...> wrote:
If subscribers were encouraged to post on AZNMBIRDS, there might be more posts. New Mexico Rare Birds moved to Discord, but I for one have been unable to subscribe to it. That's why I try to post to AZNMBIRDS as often as possible. I get a lot of emails expressing thanks for my posts. Not sure why the newest, shiniest thing in apps is better.
Betsy ChecchiaSouth Valley, ABQ, NM
On Thu, Sep 5, 2024 at 1:57 PM David Wright <davidwright11...> wrote:
Listowner Mark S say 1715 subscribers (some not active) to AZNMBIRDS listserv
Date: 9/5/24 5:24 pm From: John Williams <john...> Subject: [AZNMbirds] Migrants, Arthur Pack Regional Park, NW Tucson
This morning I noted three species of Vireos, Bell’s, Warbling, and Plumbeous, and Wilson’s, Yellow and MacGillivray’s Warblers as they foraged through the mesquites around the golf course.
Two or three empidonax types thwarted efforts to see them beyond brief glimpses; one could have been a Western Wood Pewee, but no clear ID.
One Western Kingbird and two Lazuli Buntings were seen.
Numbers of Brewer’s Sparrows have shown up over the last week; I’ve encountered flocks up to 18 single count.
Purple Martins continue, though fewer than last week.
Date: 9/5/24 3:36 pm From: David Wright <davidwright11...> Subject: Re: [AZNMbirds] how many subscribers?
Apparently that link is “protected” from being copied…
The link in the post from Ash Ponders at 9:15 today worked this am.
> On Sep 5, 2024, at 2:46 PM, Betsy Checchia <betsy.checchia...> wrote:
>
> If subscribers were encouraged to post on AZNMBIRDS, there might be more posts. New Mexico Rare Birds moved to Discord, but I for one have been unable to subscribe to it. That's why I try to post to AZNMBIRDS as often as possible. I get a lot of emails expressing thanks for my posts. Not sure why the newest, shiniest thing in apps is better.
>
> Betsy Checchia
> South Valley, ABQ, NM
>
> On Thu, Sep 5, 2024 at 1:57 PM David Wright <davidwright11...> <mailto:<davidwright11...>> wrote:
> Listowner Mark S say 1715 subscribers (some not active) to AZNMBIRDS listserv
>
> So Discord is catching up…
>
>
> Home Page: https://list.arizona.edu/sympa/info/aznmbirds <https://list.arizona.edu/sympa/info/aznmbirds> > To unsubscribe use the Unsubscribe button on that page.
> To view archive: click "Archive" on that page.
> On Sep 5, 2024, at 2:46 PM, Betsy Checchia <betsy.checchia...> wrote:
>
> If subscribers were encouraged to post on AZNMBIRDS, there might be more posts. New Mexico Rare Birds moved to Discord, but I for one have been unable to subscribe to it. That's why I try to post to AZNMBIRDS as often as possible. I get a lot of emails expressing thanks for my posts. Not sure why the newest, shiniest thing in apps is better.
>
> Betsy Checchia
> South Valley, ABQ, NM
>
> On Thu, Sep 5, 2024 at 1:57 PM David Wright <davidwright11...> <mailto:<davidwright11...>> wrote:
> Listowner Mark S say 1715 subscribers (some not active) to AZNMBIRDS listserv
>
> So Discord is catching up…
>
>
> Home Page: https://list.arizona.edu/sympa/info/aznmbirds <https://list.arizona.edu/sympa/info/aznmbirds> > To unsubscribe use the Unsubscribe button on that page.
> To view archive: click "Archive" on that page.
Date: 9/5/24 3:25 pm From: Kathryn M Leavey <kleavey...> Subject: Re: [AZNMbirds] how many subscribers?
I love the posts. Very informative and helpful.
Kathryn Leavey520-360-6495
On Thursday, September 5, 2024 at 03:12:45 PM MST, David Wright <davidwright11...> wrote:
Your posts are great…a narrative summary of highlights of birding a location, linked to an ebird checklist. Keep up the good work!
The first few links to discord that I tried did not work. Earlier today Ash Ponders posted to this listserv a discord invitation that finally worked (thanks). That link is coped below
Again the invite code is: https://url.usb.m.mimecastprotect.com/s/H1g1CVJz4qfxkwxgoSGM5lS?<domain...>
On Sep 5, 2024, at 2:46 PM, Betsy Checchia <betsy.checchia...> wrote:
If subscribers were encouraged to post on AZNMBIRDS, there might be more posts. New Mexico Rare Birds moved to Discord, but I for one have been unable to subscribe to it. That's why I try to post to AZNMBIRDS as often as possible. I get a lot of emails expressing thanks for my posts. Not sure why the newest, shiniest thing in apps is better.
Betsy ChecchiaSouth Valley, ABQ, NM
On Thu, Sep 5, 2024 at 1:57 PM David Wright <davidwright11...> wrote:
Listowner Mark S say 1715 subscribers (some not active) to AZNMBIRDS listserv
Date: 9/5/24 3:12 pm From: David Wright <davidwright11...> Subject: Re: [AZNMbirds] how many subscribers?
Your posts are great…a narrative summary of highlights of birding a location, linked to an ebird checklist. Keep up the good work!
The first few links to discord that I tried did not work. Earlier today Ash Ponders posted to this listserv a discord invitation that finally worked (thanks). That link is coped below
> On Sep 5, 2024, at 2:46 PM, Betsy Checchia <betsy.checchia...> wrote:
>
> If subscribers were encouraged to post on AZNMBIRDS, there might be more posts. New Mexico Rare Birds moved to Discord, but I for one have been unable to subscribe to it. That's why I try to post to AZNMBIRDS as often as possible. I get a lot of emails expressing thanks for my posts. Not sure why the newest, shiniest thing in apps is better.
>
> Betsy Checchia
> South Valley, ABQ, NM
>
> On Thu, Sep 5, 2024 at 1:57 PM David Wright <davidwright11...> <mailto:<davidwright11...>> wrote:
> Listowner Mark S say 1715 subscribers (some not active) to AZNMBIRDS listserv
>
> So Discord is catching up…
>
>
> Home Page: https://list.arizona.edu/sympa/info/aznmbirds <https://list.arizona.edu/sympa/info/aznmbirds> > To unsubscribe use the Unsubscribe button on that page.
> To view archive: click "Archive" on that page.
Date: 9/5/24 2:46 pm From: Betsy Checchia <betsy.checchia...> Subject: Re: [AZNMbirds] how many subscribers?
If subscribers were encouraged to post on AZNMBIRDS, there might be more
posts. New Mexico Rare Birds moved to Discord, but I for one have been
unable to subscribe to it. That's why I try to post to AZNMBIRDS as often
as possible. I get a lot of emails expressing thanks for my posts. Not
sure why the newest, shiniest thing in apps is better.
Betsy Checchia
South Valley, ABQ, NM
On Thu, Sep 5, 2024 at 1:57 PM David Wright <davidwright11...> wrote:
> Listowner Mark S say 1715 subscribers (some not active) to AZNMBIRDS
> listserv
>
> So Discord is catching up…
>
>
> Home Page: https://list.arizona.edu/sympa/info/aznmbirds > To unsubscribe use the Unsubscribe button on that page.
> To view archive: click "Archive" on that page.
Date: 9/5/24 1:14 pm From: Jim Newell <thehumannewell...> Subject: [AZNMbirds] Woods Canyon Lake
Had one nice mixed flock at Woods Canyon Lake (east of Payson) yesterday afternoon. With Townsends’s, Yellow, Wilson’s and Nashville Warblers. A couple Ospreys working the lake. Nuthatches and chickadees around. Etc.
Date: 9/5/24 12:46 pm From: Tom Hildebrandt <tomhildebrandt2012...> Subject: Re: [AZNMbirds] Curlew Sandpiper--article on first AZ report
The real issue for me is the realization that so much 'right now' birding
information is somewhere else than here. I like the conversational reports
here that describe habitats encountered and such along with the birds
seen. I've enjoyed comparing what I see here to the ebird alert lists, but
now finding out that a lot of birders may not even be posting to this one
anymore is daunting. Are they still using ebird?
Tom
On Thu, Sep 5, 2024 at 11:03 AM Karen Morley <karendeemorley...>
wrote:
> That is exactly the point. I moved here 10 years ago from Maryland. There
> were several options for getting bird info and it was a pain to have to
> follow a lot of different sites. It was wonderful to come to AZ and find
> the AZ List Serve. As short a time back as 10 years ago it had regular
> postings of the rare birds in the state. Now it hardly posts any unless a
> really kind person decides to post or share on it. I didn't know there was
> an app called Discord or that it was the new toy for sharing bird info.
> (Yes, I am an old geezer) I don't discount using the newer tech and Discord
> but why can't the same info get a quick post on the List Serve as well.
> Tech savvy folks shouldn't have a problem doing that. All the
> justifications I read here about just switching to Discord seem to have a
> touch of elitism on them. It makes me sad that the birding community here
> isn't as open and sharing as I had thought.
> Home Page: https://list.arizona.edu/sympa/info/aznmbirds > To unsubscribe use the Unsubscribe button on that page.
> To view archive: click "Archive" on that page.
Date: 9/5/24 10:56 am From: Karen Morley <karendeemorley...> Subject: Re: [AZNMbirds] Curlew Sandpiper--article on first AZ report
That is exactly the point. I moved here 10 years ago from Maryland. There
were several options for getting bird info and it was a pain to have to
follow a lot of different sites. It was wonderful to come to AZ and find
the AZ List Serve. As short a time back as 10 years ago it had regular
postings of the rare birds in the state. Now it hardly posts any unless a
really kind person decides to post or share on it. I didn't know there was
an app called Discord or that it was the new toy for sharing bird info.
(Yes, I am an old geezer) I don't discount using the newer tech and Discord
but why can't the same info get a quick post on the List Serve as well.
Tech savvy folks shouldn't have a problem doing that. All the
justifications I read here about just switching to Discord seem to have a
touch of elitism on them. It makes me sad that the birding community here
isn't as open and sharing as I had thought.
Date: 9/5/24 10:43 am From: Jacob Bagley <jacobboutdoors...> Subject: Re: [AZNMbirds] Listserv/Discord
Hello Olga,
I’m not sure exactly what you’re getting at. It sounds like you have a very
negative perception of the Discord and want to stick to what you’re
comfortable with. I respect that, and correct me if I’m wrong.
However, the almost 1000 (!!) members in the AZ Discord, as well as all
other Discord chats, are welcoming to anyone who wants to join. The
listserv is being used to spread the word about Discord as the listserv is
a tool that many still use and is the best way to reach people.
Here is the link to the Discord chat for you and anyone else who would like
to join!
I signed up but have questions and need to fix something. Who can help me?
On Thursday, September 5, 2024 at 09:15:57 AM MST, Ash Ponders <ashponders...> wrote:
We’re not. The listserve continues to function as is.Everything you like about the listserve will stay the same.You do not have to change anything.
Much like the rise of ebird hasn’t made paper listing verboten, discord will not damage email list serves.
If you’d like to know more about our discord and why people like it, below is for you.
Discord is an extension of older technology like IRC and BBS which in fact pre-date email list serves.It allows close to real time interaction, photos, sounds, and other ‘nice to haves’.My favorite function of our Arizona discord is muting topics which don’t appeal to me.
More than 40 US states have large active discords, and many smaller areas do, too.Few if any of them are dominated by young people, birding by and large remains—tragically, imo—an experienced person’s game.And so it is with our Arizona discord. Insisting it is a tool to alienate older members of our community is erroneous.
It *does* take a bit to figure out, but the discord has a channel for asking questions on using discord properly.And even better, due to its channel structure, when one asks for help, it doesn’t bother anyone that hasn’t signed up to see those questions. So feel to ask away.
Again the invite code is: https://url.usb.m.mimecastprotect.com/s/UywTCXYBgvfXDDQq4U6wenn?<domain...> on in, the water’s fine.
-ash pondershttps://url.usb.m.mimecastprotect.com/s/L0U5CYVDjwfLpp7NDUGTIhv?<domain...>
On Sep 5, 2024, at 8:59 AM, Catherine Davis <catherineann...> wrote:
Can you explain why we're changing? I don't get it
Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 5, 2024, at 9:55 AM, Laurie Nessel <laurienessel...> wrote:
Thanks, Mark.
So, you can click on the expired link. Ignore "Invite Invalid" and click on "Continue to Discord" right below it. On the top left column click on "Find or start a conversation". A dialogue box pops up. Enter "Arizona Rare Birds and Discussion"
For instruction on creating an account, go to https://url.usb.m.mimecastprotect.com/s/YZR2CZZEkxi5886D7iKNujs?<domain...> Good luck!!
Laurie Nessel602.391.4303
On Thu, Sep 5, 2024 at 8:44 AM Mark Stevenson <drbrdr99...> wrote:
The post immediately below yours in you reply includes an invitation to click on
On Thu, Sep 5, 2024, 8:43 AM Laurie Nessel <laurienessel...> wrote:
Jacob - do you know how to invite people to Discord? It appears to be by invitation only. NOT USER FRIENDLY! How do people migrate from the listserv to Discord?
Laurie Nessel602.391.4303
On Thu, Sep 5, 2024 at 6:39 AM Laurie Nessel <laurienessel...> wrote:
On Wed, Sep 4, 2024 at 8:32 PM Byard Miller <byardm...> wrote:
Amen Mr Ditch!
Why abandon a system that has been so productive for years.
I know nothing about Discord but assume it is yet another social media app that will find a way to mine my personal info. I abandoned FB many years ago. No TikTok for me. If the list serve gets abandoned it will be a loss for the birding community.
Sent from Byard's iPhone
On Sep 4, 2024, at 8:06 PM, Richard Ditch <richardditch...> wrote:
Pierre:
Thanks for replying. But you seem to be missing an important point here - who ever told those of us that this decision had been made? How are those of us who have been using the AZ List for almost 30 years supposed to know that a bunch of Alpha Birders have decided to not bother sharing information with those who have long contributed to the AZ birding community? Who decided this was the way it would be in the future? When and where was this discussed? What alternatives were considered? Who has decided what birders now comprise the state birding community?
I doubt if I am the only geezer birder in AZ who has a good history of contributing to our state birding community. But I guess that my declining mobility has now forced me out of that community.
Richard Ditch. AZ Geezer former birderPhoenix, AZ
On Sep 4, 2024, at 7:47 PM, Pierre Deviche <Pierre.Deviche...> wrote:
For the record - not that it matters much either way - after discovering the Gila Bend Curlew Sandpiper last July, I posted on Discord and NOT on the AZ List. The AZ Discord channel now has ~1,000 members and seems to be the preferred mode of communication and rapid information exchange within the state birding community - for good reasons, as Jacob explains in his message.
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From: Jacob Bagley <jacobboutdoors...>
Sent: Wednesday, September 4, 2024 18:49
To: Elizabeth Farquhar <liz.farquhar51...>
Cc: Richard Ditch <richardditch...>; AZ List <aznmbirds...>; Pierre Deviche <deviche...>
Subject: Re: [AZNMbirds] Curlew Sandpiper--article on first AZ report Or, Richard, we could use the Arizona Rare Birds and Discussion Discord that was recently created by young birders. It now has 1000 members, and has proven to be a fast and effective means of spreading the word of all manner of bird sightings. Additionally, the discussion aspect of it allows the community to connect on a wide manner of topics from conservation to bird id help to avian science.
This “telephone tree” system that you reference, as well as this listserv, are simply more dated means of communication. If you’re looking for the best way to hear about rare birds, I highly recommend joining the Discord. Birding is changing just like everything else in the world, and it’s much better to grow and adapt with it than be left behind. Hope to see you on the Discord!
Respectfully,
Jacob Bagley, AZ Young Birder
On Wed, Sep 4, 2024 at 17:30 Elizabeth Farquhar <liz.farquhar51...> wrote:
Hear hear! I'm for using this list service.
On Wed, Sep 4, 2024, 2:48 PM Richard Ditch <richardditch...> wrote:
I’d like to thank Pierre Deviche for the timely posting of information about the Curlew Sandpiper he discovered in Gila Bend on July 20, 2024. It is always so nice to see such reports of rarities here on the AZ List so that all AZ birders know about them without the need to check ebird, facebook, and even Discord. With so much Balkanization in the information world it can be difficult for the birding community to find such information in a timely manner. Perhaps we could create a Telephone Tree Network where a report is provided to a person at the top of Tree who then calls selected birders on the next level down, then each of those notified people can call other on the next lower level. Or, instead of this ’50’s era system we could just use the Listserv that we’ve had in AZ since the ’90’s.
Richard DitchPhoenix
On Sep 4, 2024, at 1:55 PM, Doug Jenness <dougjenness...> wrote:
4 September 2024
Arizona Birds, the online journal of the Arizona Field Ornithologists, has just posted a new article on Arizona's first reported Curlew Sandpiper in July. You'll want to check out this article with its photos. While you're at the journal you may want to look at earlier articles about first state records of other shorebirds including American Woodcock and Black Turnstone.
Doug JennessTucson, AzHome Page: https://list.arizona.edu/sympa/info/aznmbirds To unsubscribe use the Unsubscribe button on that page.
To view archive: click "Archive" on that page.
Date: 9/5/24 10:02 am From: Laurie Nessel <laurienessel...> Subject: Re: [AZNMbirds] Curlew Sandpiper--article on first AZ report
Dear Listserv,
I am brand new to Discord and cannot help you with your technical issues.
Instead of emailing me privately, please email the listserv and maybe
someone who knows will help you with Discord.
Date: 9/5/24 9:40 am From: Pierre Deviche <Pierre.Deviche...> Subject: Re: [AZNMbirds] Curlew Sandpiper--article on first AZ report
Hey, Rich:
I am afraid you misunderstood my reply. As others already stated, the idea is not to abandon/discontinue (as far as I know)/etc. the AZ Listserv. No one is asked to no longer use it if they like to do so - it's an entirely personal choice.
All I was saying is that Discord is an option that is favored by many birders and presents many obvious and compelling advantages compared to the listserv. But if someone feels like they won't gain anything from using Discord (or any comparable platform or, for this matter and while we are at it, also Ebird), this is absolutely fine too!
________________________________
From: Henry Detwiler <swbirders...>
Sent: Thursday, September 5, 2024 09:09
To: Catherine Davis <catherineann...>
Cc: Laurie Nessel <laurienessel...>; Mark Stevenson <drbrdr99...>; Richard Ditch <richardditch...>; AZ List <aznmbirds...>; Pierre Deviche <deviche...>; Jacob Bagley <jacobboutdoors...>; <byardm...> <byardm...>; Elizabeth Farquhar <liz.farquhar51...>
Subject: Re: [AZNMbirds] Curlew Sandpiper--article on first AZ report
Hi Catherine,
I don't see it as necessarily a change, since the LISTSERV isn't going away.
It is, however, another avenue by which to get information on rare bird sightings, and enter discussions on bird-related topics (from photography to bird books to optics).
Personally, I would advocate using all these services, if you feel comfortable doing so.
Good birding!
Henry
Yuma, AZ
On Thu, Sep 5, 2024 at 9:08 AM Catherine Davis <catherineann...><mailto:<catherineann...>> wrote:
Can you explain why we're changing? I don't get it
Sent from my iPhone
So, you can click on the expired link. Ignore "Invite Invalid" and click on "Continue to Discord" right below it.
On the top left column click on "Find or start a conversation". A dialogue box pops up.
Enter "Arizona Rare Birds and Discussion"
On Thu, Sep 5, 2024 at 8:44 AM Mark Stevenson <drbrdr99...><mailto:<drbrdr99...>> wrote:
The post immediately below yours in you reply includes an invitation to click on
On Thu, Sep 5, 2024, 8:43 AM Laurie Nessel <laurienessel...><mailto:<laurienessel...>> wrote:
Jacob - do you know how to invite people to Discord? It appears to be by invitation only. NOT USER FRIENDLY! How do people migrate from the listserv to Discord?
On Wed, Sep 4, 2024 at 8:32 PM Byard Miller <byardm...><mailto:<byardm...>> wrote:
Amen Mr Ditch!
Why abandon a system that has been so productive for years.
I know nothing about Discord but assume it is yet another social media app that will find a way to mine my personal info. I abandoned FB many years ago. No TikTok for me. If the list serve gets abandoned it will be a loss for the birding community.
Thanks for replying. But you seem to be missing an important point here - who ever told those of us that this decision had been made? How are those of us who have been using the AZ List for almost 30 years supposed to know that a bunch of Alpha Birders have decided to not bother sharing information with those who have long contributed to the AZ birding community? Who decided this was the way it would be in the future? When and where was this discussed? What alternatives were considered? Who has decided what birders now comprise the state birding community?
I doubt if I am the only geezer birder in AZ who has a good history of contributing to our state birding community. But I guess that my declining mobility has now forced me out of that community.
Richard Ditch. AZ Geezer former birder
Phoenix, AZ
For the record - not that it matters much either way - after discovering the Gila Bend Curlew Sandpiper last July, I posted on Discord and NOT on the AZ List. The AZ Discord channel now has ~1,000 members and seems to be the preferred mode of communication and rapid information exchange within the state birding community - for good reasons, as Jacob explains in his message.
Or, Richard, we could use the Arizona Rare Birds and Discussion Discord that was recently created by young birders. It now has 1000 members, and has proven to be a fast and effective means of spreading the word of all manner of bird sightings. Additionally, the discussion aspect of it allows the community to connect on a wide manner of topics from conservation to bird id help to avian science.
This “telephone tree” system that you reference, as well as this listserv, are simply more dated means of communication. If you’re looking for the best way to hear about rare birds, I highly recommend joining the Discord. Birding is changing just like everything else in the world, and it’s much better to grow and adapt with it than be left behind. Hope to see you on the Discord!
Respectfully,
Jacob Bagley, AZ Young Birder
On Wed, Sep 4, 2024 at 17:30 Elizabeth Farquhar <liz.farquhar51...><mailto:<liz.farquhar51...>> wrote:
Hear hear! I'm for using this list service.
On Wed, Sep 4, 2024, 2:48 PM Richard Ditch <richardditch...><mailto:<richardditch...>> wrote:
I’d like to thank Pierre Deviche for the timely posting of information about the Curlew Sandpiper he discovered in Gila Bend on July 20, 2024. It is always so nice to see such reports of rarities here on the AZ List so that all AZ birders know about them without the need to check ebird, facebook, and even Discord. With so much Balkanization in the information world it can be difficult for the birding community to find such information in a timely manner. Perhaps we could create a Telephone Tree Network where a report is provided to a person at the top of Tree who then calls selected birders on the next level down, then each of those notified people can call other on the next lower level. Or, instead of this ’50’s era system we could just use the Listserv that we’ve had in AZ since the ’90’s.
Date: 9/5/24 9:38 am From: Monte Taylor <fixyourcomputersd...> Subject: [AZNMbirds] Adding yet more posting site
Disagree as now each birder has to now join all these different groups to know about every single sighting as who knows what posting is going to what 'system' out there.
And each and every new birder also has to learn all of these and join all of them to know of all new sightings.
And what's to keep anyone tomorrow starting yet another and another and another messaging board for their personal fancy?
Doesn't anyone in their right mind see the craziness here?
Monte Taylor
Yahoo Mail: Search, Organize, Conquer
Home Page: https://list.arizona.edu/sympa/info/aznmbirds To unsubscribe use the Unsubscribe button on that page. To view archive: click "Archive" on that page.
Date: 9/5/24 9:09 am From: Henry Detwiler <swbirders...> Subject: Re: [AZNMbirds] Curlew Sandpiper--article on first AZ report
Hi Catherine,
I don't see it as necessarily a change, since the LISTSERV isn't going away.
It is, however, another avenue by which to get information on rare bird
sightings, and enter discussions on bird-related topics (from photography
to bird books to optics).
Personally, I would advocate using all these services, if you feel
comfortable doing so.
Good birding!
Henry
Yuma, AZ
On Thu, Sep 5, 2024 at 9:08 AM Catherine Davis <catherineann...>
wrote:
> Can you explain why we're changing? I don't get it
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 5, 2024, at 9:55 AM, Laurie Nessel <laurienessel...> wrote:
>
>
> Thanks, Mark.
>
> So, you can click on the expired link. Ignore "Invite Invalid" and click
> on "Continue to Discord" right below it.
> On the top left column click on "Find or start a conversation". A dialogue
> box pops up.
> Enter "Arizona Rare Birds and Discussion"
>
> For instruction on creating an account, go to
> https://url.usb.m.mimecastprotect.com/s/5ItwCoAWMofrPDB1wu1dJKh?<domain...> > <https://url.usb.m.mimecastprotect.com/s/5ItwCoAWMofrPDB1wu1dJKh?<domain...> >
> Good luck!!
>
>
> Laurie Nessel
> 602.391.4303
>
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 5, 2024 at 8:44 AM Mark Stevenson <drbrdr99...> wrote:
>
>> The post immediately below yours in you reply includes an invitation to
>> click on
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 5, 2024, 8:43 AM Laurie Nessel <laurienessel...>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Jacob - do you know how to invite people to Discord? It appears to be by
>>> invitation only. NOT USER FRIENDLY! How do people migrate from the listserv
>>> to Discord?
>>>
>>>
>>> Laurie Nessel
>>> 602.391.4303
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Sep 5, 2024 at 6:39 AM Laurie Nessel <laurienessel...>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> For those of us old geezers who are flexible and interested in keeping
>>>> up with the times, the link to the birding Discord is https://discord >>>> .gg/aBZspm5v
>>>> <https://url.usb.m.mimecastprotect.com/s/m3H2Cp9WNpfnO9vJwhDmPD6?<domain...> >>>> .
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Laurie Nessel
>>>> 602.391.4303
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Sep 4, 2024 at 8:32 PM Byard Miller <byardm...> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Amen Mr Ditch!
>>>>>
>>>>> Why abandon a system that has been so productive for years.
>>>>>
>>>>> I know nothing about Discord but assume it is yet another social media
>>>>> app that will find a way to mine my personal info. I abandoned FB many
>>>>> years ago. No TikTok for me. If the list serve gets abandoned it will be a
>>>>> loss for the birding community.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from Byard's iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sep 4, 2024, at 8:06 PM, Richard Ditch <richardditch...>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Pierre:
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for replying. But you seem to be missing an important point
>>>>> here - who ever told those of us that this decision had been made? How are
>>>>> those of us who have been using the AZ List for almost 30 years supposed to
>>>>> know that a bunch of Alpha Birders have decided to not bother sharing
>>>>> information with those who have long contributed to the AZ birding
>>>>> community? Who decided this was the way it would be in the future? When and
>>>>> where was this discussed? What alternatives were considered? Who has
>>>>> decided what birders now comprise the state birding community?
>>>>>
>>>>> I doubt if I am the only geezer birder in AZ who has a good history of
>>>>> contributing to our state birding community. But I guess that my declining
>>>>> mobility has now forced me out of that community.
>>>>>
>>>>> Richard Ditch. AZ Geezer former birder
>>>>> Phoenix, AZ
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sep 4, 2024, at 7:47 PM, Pierre Deviche <Pierre.Deviche...>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> For the record - not that it matters much either way - after
>>>>> discovering the Gila Bend Curlew Sandpiper last July, I posted on Discord
>>>>> and NOT on the AZ List. The AZ Discord channel now has ~1,000 members and
>>>>> seems to be the preferred mode of communication and rapid information
>>>>> exchange within the state birding community - for good reasons, as Jacob
>>>>> explains in his message.
>>>>>
>>>>> Pierre Deviche.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>> *From:* Jacob Bagley <jacobboutdoors...>
>>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 4, 2024 18:49
>>>>> *To:* Elizabeth Farquhar <liz.farquhar51...>
>>>>> *Cc:* Richard Ditch <richardditch...>; AZ List <
>>>>> <aznmbirds...>; Pierre Deviche <deviche...>
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AZNMbirds] Curlew Sandpiper--article on first AZ
>>>>> report
>>>>>
>>>>> Or, Richard, we could use the Arizona Rare Birds and Discussion
>>>>> Discord that was recently created by young birders. It now has 1000
>>>>> members, and has proven to be a fast and effective means of spreading the
>>>>> word of all manner of bird sightings. Additionally, the discussion aspect
>>>>> of it allows the community to connect on a wide manner of topics from
>>>>> conservation to bird id help to avian science.
>>>>>
>>>>> This “telephone tree” system that you reference, as well as this
>>>>> listserv, are simply more dated means of communication. If you’re looking
>>>>> for the best way to hear about rare birds, I highly recommend joining the
>>>>> Discord. Birding is changing just like everything else in the world, and
>>>>> it’s much better to grow and adapt with it than be left behind. Hope to see
>>>>> you on the Discord!
>>>>>
>>>>> Respectfully,
>>>>>
>>>>> Jacob Bagley, AZ Young Birder
>>>>> On Wed, Sep 4, 2024 at 17:30 Elizabeth Farquhar <
>>>>> <liz.farquhar51...> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hear hear! I'm for using this list service.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Sep 4, 2024, 2:48 PM Richard Ditch <richardditch...>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I’d like to thank Pierre Deviche for the timely posting of information
>>>>> about the Curlew Sandpiper he discovered in Gila Bend on July 20, 2024. It
>>>>> is always so nice to see such reports of rarities here on the AZ List so
>>>>> that all AZ birders know about them without the need to check ebird,
>>>>> facebook, and even Discord. With so much Balkanization in the information
>>>>> world it can be difficult for the birding community to find such
>>>>> information in a timely manner. Perhaps we could create a Telephone Tree
>>>>> Network where a report is provided to a person at the top of Tree who then
>>>>> calls selected birders on the next level down, then each of those notified
>>>>> people can call other on the next lower level. Or, instead of this ’50’s
>>>>> era system we could just use the Listserv that we’ve had in AZ since the
>>>>> ’90’s.
>>>>>
>>>>> Richard Ditch
>>>>> Phoenix
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sep 4, 2024, at 1:55 PM, Doug Jenness <dougjenness...>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> 4 September 2024
>>>>>
>>>>> Arizona Birds
>>>>> <https://url.usb.m.mimecastprotect.com/s/A9XZCqAWOqf8k1zx2sQbxcG?<domain...>,
>>>>> the online journal of the Arizona Field Ornithologists, has just posted a
>>>>> new article
>>>>> <https://url.usb.m.mimecastprotect.com/s/rQoICrgWPrT8nr1zmsyqfkE?<domain...> >>>>> on Arizona's first reported Curlew Sandpiper in July. You'll want to
>>>>> check out this article with its photos. While you're at the journal you may
>>>>> want to look at earlier articles about first state records of other
>>>>> shorebirds including American Woodcock
>>>>> <https://url.usb.m.mimecastprotect.com/s/Nh0ACvm6WyF7LE2PlSoOxlY?<domain...> >>>>> and Black Turnstone
>>>>> <https://url.usb.m.mimecastprotect.com/s/DAa4Cwn6XzHGVvA4NC8GUSH?<domain...> >>>>> .
>>>>>
>>>>> Doug Jenness
>>>>> Tucson, Az
>>>>> Home Page: https://list.arizona.edu/sympa/info/aznmbirds >>>>> <https://url.usb.m.mimecastprotect.com/s/yjQjCxoWYAI1RL9gXt2tGdQ?<domain...> >>>>> To unsubscribe use the Unsubscribe button on that page.
>>>>> To view archive: click "Archive" on that page.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Home Page: https://list.arizona.edu/sympa/info/aznmbirds >>>>> <https://url.usb.m.mimecastprotect.com/s/yjQjCxoWYAI1RL9gXt2tGdQ?<domain...> >>>>> To unsubscribe use the Unsubscribe button on that page.
>>>>> To view archive: click "Archive" on that page.
>>>>>
>>>>> Home Page: https://list.arizona.edu/sympa/info/aznmbirds >>>>> <https://url.usb.m.mimecastprotect.com/s/yjQjCxoWYAI1RL9gXt2tGdQ?<domain...> >>>>> To unsubscribe use the Unsubscribe button on that page.
>>>>> To view archive: click "Archive" on that page.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Home Page: https://list.arizona.edu/sympa/info/aznmbirds >>>>> To unsubscribe use the Unsubscribe button on that page.
>>>>> To view archive: click "Archive" on that page.
>>>>>
>>>>> Home Page: https://list.arizona.edu/sympa/info/aznmbirds >>>>> To unsubscribe use the Unsubscribe button on that page.
>>>>> To view archive: click "Archive" on that page.
>>>>
>>>> Home Page: https://list.arizona.edu/sympa/info/aznmbirds >>> To unsubscribe use the Unsubscribe button on that page.
>>> To view archive: click "Archive" on that page.
>>
>> Home Page: https://list.arizona.edu/sympa/info/aznmbirds > To unsubscribe use the Unsubscribe button on that page.
> To view archive: click "Archive" on that page.
>
> Home Page: https://list.arizona.edu/sympa/info/aznmbirds > To unsubscribe use the Unsubscribe button on that page.
> To view archive: click "Archive" on that page.
Date: 9/5/24 9:02 am From: Monte Taylor <fixyourcomputersd...> Subject: Re: [AZNMbirds] Curlew Sandpiper--article on first AZ report
So very well put Richard. Thank you for b stating this so eloquently!
And since when did you become "former"? Doesn't mean getting out there and stomping every patch you know? Or jumping on planes and birding the world.
Monte Taylorturning 75 in a few weeks and nothings stopping me!
Yahoo Mail: Search, Organize, Conquer
On Wed, Sep 4, 2024 at 8:06 PM, Richard Ditch<richardditch...> wrote: Home Page: https://list.arizona.edu/sympa/info/aznmbirds To unsubscribe use the Unsubscribe button on that page.
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Date: 9/5/24 8:55 am From: Laurie Nessel <laurienessel...> Subject: Re: [AZNMbirds] Curlew Sandpiper--article on first AZ report
Thanks, Mark.
So, you can click on the expired link. Ignore "Invite Invalid" and click on
"Continue to Discord" right below it.
On the top left column click on "Find or start a conversation". A dialogue
box pops up.
Enter "Arizona Rare Birds and Discussion"
On Thu, Sep 5, 2024 at 8:44 AM Mark Stevenson <drbrdr99...> wrote:
> The post immediately below yours in you reply includes an invitation to
> click on
>
> On Thu, Sep 5, 2024, 8:43 AM Laurie Nessel <laurienessel...> wrote:
>
>> Jacob - do you know how to invite people to Discord? It appears to be by
>> invitation only. NOT USER FRIENDLY! How do people migrate from the listserv
>> to Discord?
>>
>>
>> Laurie Nessel
>> 602.391.4303
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 5, 2024 at 6:39 AM Laurie Nessel <laurienessel...>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> For those of us old geezers who are flexible and interested in keeping
>>> up with the times, the link to the birding Discord is https://discord >>> .gg/aBZspm5v
>>> <https://url.usb.m.mimecastprotect.com/s/zqVhCVJz4qfxkl56WHzIdW4?<domain...> >>> .
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Laurie Nessel
>>> 602.391.4303
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Sep 4, 2024 at 8:32 PM Byard Miller <byardm...> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Amen Mr Ditch!
>>>>
>>>> Why abandon a system that has been so productive for years.
>>>>
>>>> I know nothing about Discord but assume it is yet another social media
>>>> app that will find a way to mine my personal info. I abandoned FB many
>>>> years ago. No TikTok for me. If the list serve gets abandoned it will be a
>>>> loss for the birding community.
>>>>
>>>> Sent from Byard's iPhone
>>>>
>>>> On Sep 4, 2024, at 8:06 PM, Richard Ditch <richardditch...>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Pierre:
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for replying. But you seem to be missing an important point here
>>>> - who ever told those of us that this decision had been made? How are those
>>>> of us who have been using the AZ List for almost 30 years supposed to know
>>>> that a bunch of Alpha Birders have decided to not bother sharing
>>>> information with those who have long contributed to the AZ birding
>>>> community? Who decided this was the way it would be in the future? When and
>>>> where was this discussed? What alternatives were considered? Who has
>>>> decided what birders now comprise the state birding community?
>>>>
>>>> I doubt if I am the only geezer birder in AZ who has a good history of
>>>> contributing to our state birding community. But I guess that my declining
>>>> mobility has now forced me out of that community.
>>>>
>>>> Richard Ditch. AZ Geezer former birder
>>>> Phoenix, AZ
>>>>
>>>> On Sep 4, 2024, at 7:47 PM, Pierre Deviche <Pierre.Deviche...>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> For the record - not that it matters much either way - after
>>>> discovering the Gila Bend Curlew Sandpiper last July, I posted on Discord
>>>> and NOT on the AZ List. The AZ Discord channel now has ~1,000 members and
>>>> seems to be the preferred mode of communication and rapid information
>>>> exchange within the state birding community - for good reasons, as Jacob
>>>> explains in his message.
>>>>
>>>> Pierre Deviche.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>> *From:* Jacob Bagley <jacobboutdoors...>
>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 4, 2024 18:49
>>>> *To:* Elizabeth Farquhar <liz.farquhar51...>
>>>> *Cc:* Richard Ditch <richardditch...>; AZ List <
>>>> <aznmbirds...>; Pierre Deviche <deviche...>
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AZNMbirds] Curlew Sandpiper--article on first AZ report
>>>>
>>>> Or, Richard, we could use the Arizona Rare Birds and Discussion Discord
>>>> that was recently created by young birders. It now has 1000 members, and
>>>> has proven to be a fast and effective means of spreading the word of all
>>>> manner of bird sightings. Additionally, the discussion aspect of it allows
>>>> the community to connect on a wide manner of topics from conservation to
>>>> bird id help to avian science.
>>>>
>>>> This “telephone tree” system that you reference, as well as this
>>>> listserv, are simply more dated means of communication. If you’re looking
>>>> for the best way to hear about rare birds, I highly recommend joining the
>>>> Discord. Birding is changing just like everything else in the world, and
>>>> it’s much better to grow and adapt with it than be left behind. Hope to see
>>>> you on the Discord!
>>>>
>>>> Respectfully,
>>>>
>>>> Jacob Bagley, AZ Young Birder
>>>> On Wed, Sep 4, 2024 at 17:30 Elizabeth Farquhar <
>>>> <liz.farquhar51...> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hear hear! I'm for using this list service.
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Sep 4, 2024, 2:48 PM Richard Ditch <richardditch...>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I’d like to thank Pierre Deviche for the timely posting of information
>>>> about the Curlew Sandpiper he discovered in Gila Bend on July 20, 2024. It
>>>> is always so nice to see such reports of rarities here on the AZ List so
>>>> that all AZ birders know about them without the need to check ebird,
>>>> facebook, and even Discord. With so much Balkanization in the information
>>>> world it can be difficult for the birding community to find such
>>>> information in a timely manner. Perhaps we could create a Telephone Tree
>>>> Network where a report is provided to a person at the top of Tree who then
>>>> calls selected birders on the next level down, then each of those notified
>>>> people can call other on the next lower level. Or, instead of this ’50’s
>>>> era system we could just use the Listserv that we’ve had in AZ since the
>>>> ’90’s.
>>>>
>>>> Richard Ditch
>>>> Phoenix
>>>>
>>>> On Sep 4, 2024, at 1:55 PM, Doug Jenness <dougjenness...> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> 4 September 2024
>>>>
>>>> Arizona Birds
>>>> <https://url.usb.m.mimecastprotect.com/s/x6WYCWWA5rT5XjPKMcKDLyk?<domain...>,
>>>> the online journal of the Arizona Field Ornithologists, has just posted a
>>>> new article
>>>> <https://url.usb.m.mimecastprotect.com/s/U5pCCXYBgvfXDnqR8CkUj9g?<domain...> >>>> on Arizona's first reported Curlew Sandpiper in July. You'll want to
>>>> check out this article with its photos. While you're at the journal you may
>>>> want to look at earlier articles about first state records of other
>>>> shorebirds including American Woodcock
>>>> <https://url.usb.m.mimecastprotect.com/s/zb6gCYVDjwfLp3NqniMLpBR?<domain...> >>>> and Black Turnstone
>>>> <https://url.usb.m.mimecastprotect.com/s/eDg7CZZEkxi58MDLkcPXTvx?<domain...> >>>> .
>>>>
>>>> Doug Jenness
>>>> Tucson, Az
>>>> Home Page: https://list.arizona.edu/sympa/info/aznmbirds >>>> <https://url.usb.m.mimecastprotect.com/s/6_SMC1VkgOfMBpkoPhyu-uz?<domain...> >>>> To unsubscribe use the Unsubscribe button on that page.
>>>> To view archive: click "Archive" on that page.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Home Page: https://list.arizona.edu/sympa/info/aznmbirds >>>> <https://url.usb.m.mimecastprotect.com/s/6_SMC1VkgOfMBpkoPhyu-uz?<domain...> >>>> To unsubscribe use the Unsubscribe button on that page.
>>>> To view archive: click "Archive" on that page.
>>>>
>>>> Home Page: https://list.arizona.edu/sympa/info/aznmbirds >>>> <https://url.usb.m.mimecastprotect.com/s/6_SMC1VkgOfMBpkoPhyu-uz?<domain...> >>>> To unsubscribe use the Unsubscribe button on that page.
>>>> To view archive: click "Archive" on that page.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Home Page: https://list.arizona.edu/sympa/info/aznmbirds >>>> To unsubscribe use the Unsubscribe button on that page.
>>>> To view archive: click "Archive" on that page.
>>>>
>>>> Home Page: https://list.arizona.edu/sympa/info/aznmbirds >>>> To unsubscribe use the Unsubscribe button on that page.
>>>> To view archive: click "Archive" on that page.
>>>
>>> Home Page: https://list.arizona.edu/sympa/info/aznmbirds >> To unsubscribe use the Unsubscribe button on that page.
>> To view archive: click "Archive" on that page.
>
>
Date: 9/5/24 8:43 am From: Laurie Nessel <laurienessel...> Subject: Re: [AZNMbirds] Curlew Sandpiper--article on first AZ report
Jacob - do you know how to invite people to Discord? It appears to be by
invitation only. NOT USER FRIENDLY! How do people migrate from the listserv
to Discord?
Laurie Nessel
602.391.4303
On Thu, Sep 5, 2024 at 6:39 AM Laurie Nessel <laurienessel...> wrote:
> For those of us old geezers who are flexible and interested in keeping up
> with the times, the link to the birding Discord is https://discord > .gg/aBZspm5v.
>
>
>
> Laurie Nessel
> 602.391.4303
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 4, 2024 at 8:32 PM Byard Miller <byardm...> wrote:
>
>> Amen Mr Ditch!
>>
>> Why abandon a system that has been so productive for years.
>>
>> I know nothing about Discord but assume it is yet another social media
>> app that will find a way to mine my personal info. I abandoned FB many
>> years ago. No TikTok for me. If the list serve gets abandoned it will be a
>> loss for the birding community.
>>
>> Sent from Byard's iPhone
>>
>> On Sep 4, 2024, at 8:06 PM, Richard Ditch <richardditch...> wrote:
>>
>> Pierre:
>>
>> Thanks for replying. But you seem to be missing an important point here -
>> who ever told those of us that this decision had been made? How are those
>> of us who have been using the AZ List for almost 30 years supposed to know
>> that a bunch of Alpha Birders have decided to not bother sharing
>> information with those who have long contributed to the AZ birding
>> community? Who decided this was the way it would be in the future? When and
>> where was this discussed? What alternatives were considered? Who has
>> decided what birders now comprise the state birding community?
>>
>> I doubt if I am the only geezer birder in AZ who has a good history of
>> contributing to our state birding community. But I guess that my declining
>> mobility has now forced me out of that community.
>>
>> Richard Ditch. AZ Geezer former birder
>> Phoenix, AZ
>>
>> On Sep 4, 2024, at 7:47 PM, Pierre Deviche <Pierre.Deviche...>
>> wrote:
>>
>> For the record - not that it matters much either way - after discovering
>> the Gila Bend Curlew Sandpiper last July, I posted on Discord and NOT on
>> the AZ List. The AZ Discord channel now has ~1,000 members and seems to be
>> the preferred mode of communication and rapid information exchange within
>> the state birding community - for good reasons, as Jacob explains in his
>> message.
>>
>> Pierre Deviche.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> *From:* Jacob Bagley <jacobboutdoors...>
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 4, 2024 18:49
>> *To:* Elizabeth Farquhar <liz.farquhar51...>
>> *Cc:* Richard Ditch <richardditch...>; AZ List <
>> <aznmbirds...>; Pierre Deviche <deviche...>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AZNMbirds] Curlew Sandpiper--article on first AZ report
>>
>> Or, Richard, we could use the Arizona Rare Birds and Discussion Discord
>> that was recently created by young birders. It now has 1000 members, and
>> has proven to be a fast and effective means of spreading the word of all
>> manner of bird sightings. Additionally, the discussion aspect of it allows
>> the community to connect on a wide manner of topics from conservation to
>> bird id help to avian science.
>>
>> This “telephone tree” system that you reference, as well as this
>> listserv, are simply more dated means of communication. If you’re looking
>> for the best way to hear about rare birds, I highly recommend joining the
>> Discord. Birding is changing just like everything else in the world, and
>> it’s much better to grow and adapt with it than be left behind. Hope to see
>> you on the Discord!
>>
>> Respectfully,
>>
>> Jacob Bagley, AZ Young Birder
>> On Wed, Sep 4, 2024 at 17:30 Elizabeth Farquhar <liz.farquhar51...>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hear hear! I'm for using this list service.
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 4, 2024, 2:48 PM Richard Ditch <richardditch...>
>> wrote:
>>
>> I’d like to thank Pierre Deviche for the timely posting of information
>> about the Curlew Sandpiper he discovered in Gila Bend on July 20, 2024. It
>> is always so nice to see such reports of rarities here on the AZ List so
>> that all AZ birders know about them without the need to check ebird,
>> facebook, and even Discord. With so much Balkanization in the information
>> world it can be difficult for the birding community to find such
>> information in a timely manner. Perhaps we could create a Telephone Tree
>> Network where a report is provided to a person at the top of Tree who then
>> calls selected birders on the next level down, then each of those notified
>> people can call other on the next lower level. Or, instead of this ’50’s
>> era system we could just use the Listserv that we’ve had in AZ since the
>> ’90’s.
>>
>> Richard Ditch
>> Phoenix
>>
>> On Sep 4, 2024, at 1:55 PM, Doug Jenness <dougjenness...> wrote:
>>
>> 4 September 2024
>>
>> Arizona Birds
>> <https://url.usb.m.mimecastprotect.com/s/yyYjCrgWPrT8n8z4Nt7Ae1O?<domain...>,
>> the online journal of the Arizona Field Ornithologists, has just posted a
>> new article
>> <https://url.usb.m.mimecastprotect.com/s/6dkcCvm6WyF7L7PrBfXwHkL?<domain...> >> on Arizona's first reported Curlew Sandpiper in July. You'll want to
>> check out this article with its photos. While you're at the journal you may
>> want to look at earlier articles about first state records of other
>> shorebirds including American Woodcock
>> <https://url.usb.m.mimecastprotect.com/s/H-BmCwn6XzHGVG4gOf9Szb5?<domain...> >> and Black Turnstone
>> <https://url.usb.m.mimecastprotect.com/s/XYcXCxoWYAI1R1gPGHwV8ro?<domain...> >> .
>>
>> Doug Jenness
>> Tucson, Az
>> Home Page: https://list.arizona.edu/sympa/info/aznmbirds >> <https://url.usb.m.mimecastprotect.com/s/wmPQCypWZBtr2rQAjtNZ0LB?<domain...> >> To unsubscribe use the Unsubscribe button on that page.
>> To view archive: click "Archive" on that page.
>>
>>
>> Home Page: https://list.arizona.edu/sympa/info/aznmbirds >> <https://url.usb.m.mimecastprotect.com/s/wmPQCypWZBtr2rQAjtNZ0LB?<domain...> >> To unsubscribe use the Unsubscribe button on that page.
>> To view archive: click "Archive" on that page.
>>
>> Home Page: https://list.arizona.edu/sympa/info/aznmbirds >> <https://url.usb.m.mimecastprotect.com/s/wmPQCypWZBtr2rQAjtNZ0LB?<domain...> >> To unsubscribe use the Unsubscribe button on that page.
>> To view archive: click "Archive" on that page.
>>
>>
>> Home Page: https://list.arizona.edu/sympa/info/aznmbirds >> To unsubscribe use the Unsubscribe button on that page.
>> To view archive: click "Archive" on that page.
>>
>> Home Page: https://list.arizona.edu/sympa/info/aznmbirds >> To unsubscribe use the Unsubscribe button on that page.
>> To view archive: click "Archive" on that page.
>
>
On Wed, Sep 4, 2024 at 8:32 PM Byard Miller <byardm...> wrote:
Amen Mr Ditch!
Why abandon a system that has been so productive for years.
I know nothing about Discord but assume it is yet another social media app that will find a way to mine my personal info. I abandoned FB many years ago. No TikTok for me. If the list serve gets abandoned it will be a loss for the birding community.
Sent from Byard's iPhone
On Sep 4, 2024, at 8:06 PM, Richard Ditch <richardditch...> wrote:
Pierre:
Thanks for replying. But you seem to be missing an important point here - who ever told those of us that this decision had been made? How are those of us who have been using the AZ List for almost 30 years supposed to know that a bunch of Alpha Birders have decided to not bother sharing information with those who have long contributed to the AZ birding community? Who decided this was the way it would be in the future? When and where was this discussed? What alternatives were considered? Who has decided what birders now comprise the state birding community?
I doubt if I am the only geezer birder in AZ who has a good history of contributing to our state birding community. But I guess that my declining mobility has now forced me out of that community.
Richard Ditch. AZ Geezer former birderPhoenix, AZ
On Sep 4, 2024, at 7:47 PM, Pierre Deviche <Pierre.Deviche...> wrote:
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From: Jacob Bagley <jacobboutdoors...>
Sent: Wednesday, September 4, 2024 18:49
To: Elizabeth Farquhar <liz.farquhar51...>
Cc: Richard Ditch <richardditch...>; AZ List <aznmbirds...>; Pierre Deviche <deviche...>
Subject: Re: [AZNMbirds] Curlew Sandpiper--article on first AZ report Or, Richard, we could use the Arizona Rare Birds and Discussion Discord that was recently created by young birders. It now has 1000 members, and has proven to be a fast and effective means of spreading the word of all manner of bird sightings. Additionally, the discussion aspect of it allows the community to connect on a wide manner of topics from conservation to bird id help to avian science.
This “telephone tree” system that you reference, as well as this listserv, are simply more dated means of communication. If you’re looking for the best way to hear about rare birds, I highly recommend joining the Discord. Birding is changing just like everything else in the world, and it’s much better to grow and adapt with it than be left behind. Hope to see you on the Discord!
Respectfully,
Jacob Bagley, AZ Young Birder
On Wed, Sep 4, 2024 at 17:30 Elizabeth Farquhar <liz.farquhar51...> wrote:
Hear hear! I'm for using this list service.
On Wed, Sep 4, 2024, 2:48 PM Richard Ditch <richardditch...> wrote:
I’d like to thank Pierre Deviche for the timely posting of information about the Curlew Sandpiper he discovered in Gila Bend on July 20, 2024. It is always so nice to see such reports of rarities here on the AZ List so that all AZ birders know about them without the need to check ebird, facebook, and even Discord. With so much Balkanization in the information world it can be difficult for the birding community to find such information in a timely manner. Perhaps we could create a Telephone Tree Network where a report is provided to a person at the top of Tree who then calls selected birders on the next level down, then each of those notified people can call other on the next lower level. Or, instead of this ’50’s era system we could just use the Listserv that we’ve had in AZ since the ’90’s.
Richard DitchPhoenix
On Sep 4, 2024, at 1:55 PM, Doug Jenness <dougjenness...> wrote:
4 September 2024
Arizona Birds, the online journal of the Arizona Field Ornithologists, has just posted a new article on Arizona's first reported Curlew Sandpiper in July. You'll want to check out this article with its photos. While you're at the journal you may want to look at earlier articles about first state records of other shorebirds including American Woodcock and Black Turnstone.
Doug JennessTucson, AzHome Page: https://list.arizona.edu/sympa/info/aznmbirds To unsubscribe use the Unsubscribe button on that page.
To view archive: click "Archive" on that page.
Date: 9/5/24 6:44 am From: Tom Hildebrandt <tomhildebrandt2012...> Subject: Re: [AZNMbirds] Curlew Sandpiper--article on first AZ report
Thank you Laurie. All this discussion and you're the first to give us
anything regarding access to discord.
Tom
On Thu, Sep 5, 2024 at 6:40 AM Laurie Nessel <laurienessel...> wrote:
> For those of us old geezers who are flexible and interested in keeping up
> with the times, the link to the birding Discord is https://discord > .gg/aBZspm5v
> <https://url.usb.m.mimecastprotect.com/s/V1EGCk6WGkCO5VKBWs2lTc1?<domain...> > .
>
>
>
> Laurie Nessel
> 602.391.4303
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 4, 2024 at 8:32 PM Byard Miller <byardm...> wrote:
>
>> Amen Mr Ditch!
>>
>> Why abandon a system that has been so productive for years.
>>
>> I know nothing about Discord but assume it is yet another social media
>> app that will find a way to mine my personal info. I abandoned FB many
>> years ago. No TikTok for me. If the list serve gets abandoned it will be a
>> loss for the birding community.
>>
>> Sent from Byard's iPhone
>>
>> On Sep 4, 2024, at 8:06 PM, Richard Ditch <richardditch...> wrote:
>>
>> Pierre:
>>
>> Thanks for replying. But you seem to be missing an important point here -
>> who ever told those of us that this decision had been made? How are those
>> of us who have been using the AZ List for almost 30 years supposed to know
>> that a bunch of Alpha Birders have decided to not bother sharing
>> information with those who have long contributed to the AZ birding
>> community? Who decided this was the way it would be in the future? When and
>> where was this discussed? What alternatives were considered? Who has
>> decided what birders now comprise the state birding community?
>>
>> I doubt if I am the only geezer birder in AZ who has a good history of
>> contributing to our state birding community. But I guess that my declining
>> mobility has now forced me out of that community.
>>
>> Richard Ditch. AZ Geezer former birder
>> Phoenix, AZ
>>
>> On Sep 4, 2024, at 7:47 PM, Pierre Deviche <Pierre.Deviche...>
>> wrote:
>>
>> For the record - not that it matters much either way - after discovering
>> the Gila Bend Curlew Sandpiper last July, I posted on Discord and NOT on
>> the AZ List. The AZ Discord channel now has ~1,000 members and seems to be
>> the preferred mode of communication and rapid information exchange within
>> the state birding community - for good reasons, as Jacob explains in his
>> message.
>>
>> Pierre Deviche.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> *From:* Jacob Bagley <jacobboutdoors...>
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 4, 2024 18:49
>> *To:* Elizabeth Farquhar <liz.farquhar51...>
>> *Cc:* Richard Ditch <richardditch...>; AZ List <
>> <aznmbirds...>; Pierre Deviche <deviche...>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AZNMbirds] Curlew Sandpiper--article on first AZ report
>>
>> Or, Richard, we could use the Arizona Rare Birds and Discussion Discord
>> that was recently created by young birders. It now has 1000 members, and
>> has proven to be a fast and effective means of spreading the word of all
>> manner of bird sightings. Additionally, the discussion aspect of it allows
>> the community to connect on a wide manner of topics from conservation to
>> bird id help to avian science.
>>
>> This “telephone tree” system that you reference, as well as this
>> listserv, are simply more dated means of communication. If you’re looking
>> for the best way to hear about rare birds, I highly recommend joining the
>> Discord. Birding is changing just like everything else in the world, and
>> it’s much better to grow and adapt with it than be left behind. Hope to see
>> you on the Discord!
>>
>> Respectfully,
>>
>> Jacob Bagley, AZ Young Birder
>> On Wed, Sep 4, 2024 at 17:30 Elizabeth Farquhar <liz.farquhar51...>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hear hear! I'm for using this list service.
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 4, 2024, 2:48 PM Richard Ditch <richardditch...>
>> wrote:
>>
>> I’d like to thank Pierre Deviche for the timely posting of information
>> about the Curlew Sandpiper he discovered in Gila Bend on July 20, 2024. It
>> is always so nice to see such reports of rarities here on the AZ List so
>> that all AZ birders know about them without the need to check ebird,
>> facebook, and even Discord. With so much Balkanization in the information
>> world it can be difficult for the birding community to find such
>> information in a timely manner. Perhaps we could create a Telephone Tree
>> Network where a report is provided to a person at the top of Tree who then
>> calls selected birders on the next level down, then each of those notified
>> people can call other on the next lower level. Or, instead of this ’50’s
>> era system we could just use the Listserv that we’ve had in AZ since the
>> ’90’s.
>>
>> Richard Ditch
>> Phoenix
>>
>> On Sep 4, 2024, at 1:55 PM, Doug Jenness <dougjenness...> wrote:
>>
>> 4 September 2024
>>
>> Arizona Birds
>> <https://url.usb.m.mimecastprotect.com/s/S_bfCl8WJlt2XJVEnS99pzy?<domain...>,
>> the online journal of the Arizona Field Ornithologists, has just posted a
>> new article
>> <https://url.usb.m.mimecastprotect.com/s/qttFCm7WKmIjWwglJFB83wF?<domain...> >> on Arizona's first reported Curlew Sandpiper in July. You'll want to
>> check out this article with its photos. While you're at the journal you may
>> want to look at earlier articles about first state records of other
>> shorebirds including American Woodcock
>> <https://url.usb.m.mimecastprotect.com/s/De5QCnGWL0c7m0PDOTZ8zLt?<domain...> >> and Black Turnstone
>> <https://url.usb.m.mimecastprotect.com/s/vCBkCoAWMofrvNgYqiOVv7k?<domain...> >> .
>>
>> Doug Jenness
>> Tucson, Az
>> Home Page: https://list.arizona.edu/sympa/info/aznmbirds >> <https://url.usb.m.mimecastprotect.com/s/Wh2DCp9WNpfnArVoMS2Kjv5?<domain...> >> To unsubscribe use the Unsubscribe button on that page.
>> To view archive: click "Archive" on that page.
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Date: 9/5/24 6:40 am From: Laurie Nessel <laurienessel...> Subject: Re: [AZNMbirds] Curlew Sandpiper--article on first AZ report
For those of us old geezers who are flexible and interested in keeping up
with the times, the link to the birding Discord is https://discord .gg/aBZspm5v.
Laurie Nessel
602.391.4303
On Wed, Sep 4, 2024 at 8:32 PM Byard Miller <byardm...> wrote:
> Amen Mr Ditch!
>
> Why abandon a system that has been so productive for years.
>
> I know nothing about Discord but assume it is yet another social media app
> that will find a way to mine my personal info. I abandoned FB many years
> ago. No TikTok for me. If the list serve gets abandoned it will be a loss
> for the birding community.
>
> Sent from Byard's iPhone
>
> On Sep 4, 2024, at 8:06 PM, Richard Ditch <richardditch...> wrote:
>
> Pierre:
>
> Thanks for replying. But you seem to be missing an important point here -
> who ever told those of us that this decision had been made? How are those
> of us who have been using the AZ List for almost 30 years supposed to know
> that a bunch of Alpha Birders have decided to not bother sharing
> information with those who have long contributed to the AZ birding
> community? Who decided this was the way it would be in the future? When and
> where was this discussed? What alternatives were considered? Who has
> decided what birders now comprise the state birding community?
>
> I doubt if I am the only geezer birder in AZ who has a good history of
> contributing to our state birding community. But I guess that my declining
> mobility has now forced me out of that community.
>
> Richard Ditch. AZ Geezer former birder
> Phoenix, AZ
>
> On Sep 4, 2024, at 7:47 PM, Pierre Deviche <Pierre.Deviche...> wrote:
>
> For the record - not that it matters much either way - after discovering
> the Gila Bend Curlew Sandpiper last July, I posted on Discord and NOT on
> the AZ List. The AZ Discord channel now has ~1,000 members and seems to be
> the preferred mode of communication and rapid information exchange within
> the state birding community - for good reasons, as Jacob explains in his
> message.
>
> Pierre Deviche.
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> *From:* Jacob Bagley <jacobboutdoors...>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 4, 2024 18:49
> *To:* Elizabeth Farquhar <liz.farquhar51...>
> *Cc:* Richard Ditch <richardditch...>; AZ List <
> <aznmbirds...>; Pierre Deviche <deviche...>
> *Subject:* Re: [AZNMbirds] Curlew Sandpiper--article on first AZ report
>
> Or, Richard, we could use the Arizona Rare Birds and Discussion Discord
> that was recently created by young birders. It now has 1000 members, and
> has proven to be a fast and effective means of spreading the word of all
> manner of bird sightings. Additionally, the discussion aspect of it allows
> the community to connect on a wide manner of topics from conservation to
> bird id help to avian science.
>
> This “telephone tree” system that you reference, as well as this listserv,
> are simply more dated means of communication. If you’re looking for the
> best way to hear about rare birds, I highly recommend joining the Discord.
> Birding is changing just like everything else in the world, and it’s much
> better to grow and adapt with it than be left behind. Hope to see you on
> the Discord!
>
> Respectfully,
>
> Jacob Bagley, AZ Young Birder
> On Wed, Sep 4, 2024 at 17:30 Elizabeth Farquhar <liz.farquhar51...>
> wrote:
>
> Hear hear! I'm for using this list service.
>
> On Wed, Sep 4, 2024, 2:48 PM Richard Ditch <richardditch...> wrote:
>
> I’d like to thank Pierre Deviche for the timely posting of information
> about the Curlew Sandpiper he discovered in Gila Bend on July 20, 2024. It
> is always so nice to see such reports of rarities here on the AZ List so
> that all AZ birders know about them without the need to check ebird,
> facebook, and even Discord. With so much Balkanization in the information
> world it can be difficult for the birding community to find such
> information in a timely manner. Perhaps we could create a Telephone Tree
> Network where a report is provided to a person at the top of Tree who then
> calls selected birders on the next level down, then each of those notified
> people can call other on the next lower level. Or, instead of this ’50’s
> era system we could just use the Listserv that we’ve had in AZ since the
> ’90’s.
>
> Richard Ditch
> Phoenix
>
> On Sep 4, 2024, at 1:55 PM, Doug Jenness <dougjenness...> wrote:
>
> 4 September 2024
>
> Arizona Birds
> <https://url.usb.m.mimecastprotect.com/s/VFnoCVJz4qfxgrBZDHGxltI?<domain...>,
> the online journal of the Arizona Field Ornithologists, has just posted a new
> article
> <https://url.usb.m.mimecastprotect.com/s/orAcCWWA5rT5D734AHx1GZW?<domain...> > on Arizona's first reported Curlew Sandpiper in July. You'll want to
> check out this article with its photos. While you're at the journal you may
> want to look at earlier articles about first state records of other
> shorebirds including American Woodcock
> <https://url.usb.m.mimecastprotect.com/s/Y4YRCXYBgvfXOvA9xcD-5XR?<domain...> > and Black Turnstone
> <https://url.usb.m.mimecastprotect.com/s/ZBF7CYVDjwfLARY9zTVlVmT?<domain...> > .
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> Doug Jenness
> Tucson, Az
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Date: 9/4/24 9:59 pm From: Sheri Martin <martis18...> Subject: Re: [AZNMbirds] Curlew Sandpiper--article on first AZ report
Once in discord, what do I type in? I tried AZ birder etc.
Regards;
Sheri Martin
On Wednesday, September 4, 2024 at 08:24:05 PM MST, Byard Miller <byardm...> wrote:
Amen Mr Ditch!
Why abandon a system that has been so productive for years.
I know nothing about Discord but assume it is yet another social media app that will find a way to mine my personal info. I abandoned FB many years ago. No TikTok for me. If the list serve gets abandoned it will be a loss for the birding community.
Sent from Byard's iPhone
On Sep 4, 2024, at 8:06 PM, Richard Ditch <richardditch...> wrote:
Pierre:
Thanks for replying. But you seem to be missing an important point here - who ever told those of us that this decision had been made? How are those of us who have been using the AZ List for almost 30 years supposed to know that a bunch of Alpha Birders have decided to not bother sharing information with those who have long contributed to the AZ birding community? Who decided this was the way it would be in the future? When and where was this discussed? What alternatives were considered? Who has decided what birders now comprise the state birding community?
I doubt if I am the only geezer birder in AZ who has a good history of contributing to our state birding community. But I guess that my declining mobility has now forced me out of that community.
Richard Ditch. AZ Geezer former birderPhoenix, AZ
On Sep 4, 2024, at 7:47 PM, Pierre Deviche <Pierre.Deviche...> wrote:
For the record - not that it matters much either way - after discovering the Gila Bend Curlew Sandpiper last July, I posted on Discord and NOT on the AZ List. The AZ Discord channel now has ~1,000 members and seems to be the preferred mode of communication and rapid information exchange within the state birding community - for good reasons, as Jacob explains in his message.
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From: Jacob Bagley <jacobboutdoors...>
Sent: Wednesday, September 4, 2024 18:49
To: Elizabeth Farquhar <liz.farquhar51...>
Cc: Richard Ditch <richardditch...>; AZ List <aznmbirds...>; Pierre Deviche <deviche...>
Subject: Re: [AZNMbirds] Curlew Sandpiper--article on first AZ report Or, Richard, we could use the Arizona Rare Birds and Discussion Discord that was recently created by young birders. It now has 1000 members, and has proven to be a fast and effective means of spreading the word of all manner of bird sightings. Additionally, the discussion aspect of it allows the community to connect on a wide manner of topics from conservation to bird id help to avian science.
This “telephone tree” system that you reference, as well as this listserv, are simply more dated means of communication. If you’re looking for the best way to hear about rare birds, I highly recommend joining the Discord. Birding is changing just like everything else in the world, and it’s much better to grow and adapt with it than be left behind. Hope to see you on the Discord!
Respectfully,
Jacob Bagley, AZ Young Birder
On Wed, Sep 4, 2024 at 17:30 Elizabeth Farquhar <liz.farquhar51...> wrote:
Hear hear! I'm for using this list service.
On Wed, Sep 4, 2024, 2:48 PM Richard Ditch <richardditch...> wrote:
I’d like to thank Pierre Deviche for the timely posting of information about the Curlew Sandpiper he discovered in Gila Bend on July 20, 2024. It is always so nice to see such reports of rarities here on the AZ List so that all AZ birders know about them without the need to check ebird, facebook, and even Discord. With so much Balkanization in the information world it can be difficult for the birding community to find such information in a timely manner. Perhaps we could create a Telephone Tree Network where a report is provided to a person at the top of Tree who then calls selected birders on the next level down, then each of those notified people can call other on the next lower level. Or, instead of this ’50’s era system we could just use the Listserv that we’ve had in AZ since the ’90’s.
Richard DitchPhoenix
On Sep 4, 2024, at 1:55 PM, Doug Jenness <dougjenness...> wrote:
4 September 2024
Arizona Birds, the online journal of the Arizona Field Ornithologists, has just posted a new article on Arizona's first reported Curlew Sandpiper in July. You'll want to check out this article with its photos. While you're at the journal you may want to look at earlier articles about first state records of other shorebirds including American Woodcock and Black Turnstone.
Doug JennessTucson, AzHome Page: https://list.arizona.edu/sympa/info/aznmbirds To unsubscribe use the Unsubscribe button on that page.
To view archive: click "Archive" on that page.
Date: 9/4/24 9:03 pm From: Veronica Heron <v.heron...> Subject: Re: [AZNMbirds] Curlew Sandpiper--article on first AZ report
What I find concerning about the abandonment of the Listserve is that it flys in the face of the ABA's efforts to make birding more inclusive. It seems to me that these invite-only apps and Facebook group only serve to exclude.
On Wednesday, September 4, 2024 at 08:24:06 PM MST, Byard Miller <byardm...> wrote:
Amen Mr Ditch!
Why abandon a system that has been so productive for years.
I know nothing about Discord but assume it is yet another social media app that will find a way to mine my personal info. I abandoned FB many years ago. No TikTok for me. If the list serve gets abandoned it will be a loss for the birding community.
Sent from Byard's iPhone
On Sep 4, 2024, at 8:06 PM, Richard Ditch <richardditch...> wrote:
Pierre:
Thanks for replying. But you seem to be missing an important point here - who ever told those of us that this decision had been made? How are those of us who have been using the AZ List for almost 30 years supposed to know that a bunch of Alpha Birders have decided to not bother sharing information with those who have long contributed to the AZ birding community? Who decided this was the way it would be in the future? When and where was this discussed? What alternatives were considered? Who has decided what birders now comprise the state birding community?
I doubt if I am the only geezer birder in AZ who has a good history of contributing to our state birding community. But I guess that my declining mobility has now forced me out of that community.
Richard Ditch. AZ Geezer former birderPhoenix, AZ
On Sep 4, 2024, at 7:47 PM, Pierre Deviche <Pierre.Deviche...> wrote:
For the record - not that it matters much either way - after discovering the Gila Bend Curlew Sandpiper last July, I posted on Discord and NOT on the AZ List. The AZ Discord channel now has ~1,000 members and seems to be the preferred mode of communication and rapid information exchange within the state birding community - for good reasons, as Jacob explains in his message.
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From: Jacob Bagley <jacobboutdoors...>
Sent: Wednesday, September 4, 2024 18:49
To: Elizabeth Farquhar <liz.farquhar51...>
Cc: Richard Ditch <richardditch...>; AZ List <aznmbirds...>; Pierre Deviche <deviche...>
Subject: Re: [AZNMbirds] Curlew Sandpiper--article on first AZ report Or, Richard, we could use the Arizona Rare Birds and Discussion Discord that was recently created by young birders. It now has 1000 members, and has proven to be a fast and effective means of spreading the word of all manner of bird sightings. Additionally, the discussion aspect of it allows the community to connect on a wide manner of topics from conservation to bird id help to avian science.
This “telephone tree” system that you reference, as well as this listserv, are simply more dated means of communication. If you’re looking for the best way to hear about rare birds, I highly recommend joining the Discord. Birding is changing just like everything else in the world, and it’s much better to grow and adapt with it than be left behind. Hope to see you on the Discord!
Respectfully,
Jacob Bagley, AZ Young Birder
On Wed, Sep 4, 2024 at 17:30 Elizabeth Farquhar <liz.farquhar51...> wrote:
Hear hear! I'm for using this list service.
On Wed, Sep 4, 2024, 2:48 PM Richard Ditch <richardditch...> wrote:
I’d like to thank Pierre Deviche for the timely posting of information about the Curlew Sandpiper he discovered in Gila Bend on July 20, 2024. It is always so nice to see such reports of rarities here on the AZ List so that all AZ birders know about them without the need to check ebird, facebook, and even Discord. With so much Balkanization in the information world it can be difficult for the birding community to find such information in a timely manner. Perhaps we could create a Telephone Tree Network where a report is provided to a person at the top of Tree who then calls selected birders on the next level down, then each of those notified people can call other on the next lower level. Or, instead of this ’50’s era system we could just use the Listserv that we’ve had in AZ since the ’90’s.
Richard DitchPhoenix
On Sep 4, 2024, at 1:55 PM, Doug Jenness <dougjenness...> wrote:
4 September 2024
Arizona Birds, the online journal of the Arizona Field Ornithologists, has just posted a new article on Arizona's first reported Curlew Sandpiper in July. You'll want to check out this article with its photos. While you're at the journal you may want to look at earlier articles about first state records of other shorebirds including American Woodcock and Black Turnstone.
Doug JennessTucson, AzHome Page: https://list.arizona.edu/sympa/info/aznmbirds To unsubscribe use the Unsubscribe button on that page.
To view archive: click "Archive" on that page.
Date: 9/4/24 8:52 pm From: Diane Drobka <sunny1az...> Subject: Re: [AZNMbirds] Curlew Sandpiper--article on first AZ report
I'm fine with whatever everyone wants to use to communicate quickly but just don't rid of the List-Serve. It's such an easy way to share detailed information about things like proposed projects that could negatively impact bird habitat. I also enjoy hearing various opinions.
On Wednesday, September 4, 2024 at 06:57:25 PM MST, T.G. Miko <tgmiko...> wrote:
Here's the thing: for some lovely reason a bunch of different birders in a bunch of different parts of the country are all using different apps. They are using whatsapp, discord, and slack. I'm sure there are other apps that are being used. If there was some kind of general agreement to only use one app I would be okay with it, but I keep having to add new apps to my phone and I'm constantly getting notifications from these various apps for what's going on in various counties in California and to keep track of what's going on in Arizona. I have a feral animal in my house, no wait, my teenage son, and he was appalled that bird watchers are now using Discord. He feels violated that we are using his Gamer Boy app.
Thomas Geza Miko
Claremont, LA County
909.241.3300
"If you seek the truth, be aware that the truth has many faces."--Neil DeGrasse Tyson
On Wed, Sep 4, 2024, 18:49 Jacob Bagley <jacobboutdoors...> wrote:
Or, Richard, we could use the Arizona Rare Birds and Discussion Discord that was recently created by young birders. It now has 1000 members, and has proven to be a fast and effective means of spreading the word of all manner of bird sightings. Additionally, the discussion aspect of it allows the community to connect on a wide manner of topics from conservation to bird id help to avian science.
This “telephone tree” system that you reference, as well as this listserv, are simply more dated means of communication. If you’re looking for the best way to hear about rare birds, I highly recommend joining the Discord. Birding is changing just like everything else in the world, and it’s much better to grow and adapt with it than be left behind. Hope to see you on the Discord!
Respectfully,
Jacob Bagley, AZ Young Birder
On Wed, Sep 4, 2024 at 17:30 Elizabeth Farquhar <liz.farquhar51...> wrote:
Hear hear! I'm for using this list service.
On Wed, Sep 4, 2024, 2:48 PM Richard Ditch <richardditch...> wrote:
I’d like to thank Pierre Deviche for the timely posting of information about the Curlew Sandpiper he discovered in Gila Bend on July 20, 2024. It is always so nice to see such reports of rarities here on the AZ List so that all AZ birders know about them without the need to check ebird, facebook, and even Discord. With so much Balkanization in the information world it can be difficult for the birding community to find such information in a timely manner. Perhaps we could create a Telephone Tree Network where a report is provided to a person at the top of Tree who then calls selected birders on the next level down, then each of those notified people can call other on the next lower level. Or, instead of this ’50’s era system we could just use the Listserv that we’ve had in AZ since the ’90’s.
Richard DitchPhoenix
On Sep 4, 2024, at 1:55 PM, Doug Jenness <dougjenness...> wrote:
4 September 2024
Arizona Birds, the online journal of the Arizona Field Ornithologists, has just posted a new article on Arizona's first reported Curlew Sandpiper in July. You'll want to check out this article with its photos. While you're at the journal you may want to look at earlier articles about first state records of other shorebirds including American Woodcock and Black Turnstone.
Doug JennessTucson, AzHome Page: https://list.arizona.edu/sympa/info/aznmbirds To unsubscribe use the Unsubscribe button on that page.
To view archive: click "Archive" on that page.
Date: 9/4/24 8:06 pm From: Richard Ditch <richardditch...> Subject: Re: [AZNMbirds] Curlew Sandpiper--article on first AZ report
Pierre:
Thanks for replying. But you seem to be missing an important point here - who ever told those of us that this decision had been made? How are those of us who have been using the AZ List for almost 30 years supposed to know that a bunch of Alpha Birders have decided to not bother sharing information with those who have long contributed to the AZ birding community? Who decided this was the way it would be in the future? When and where was this discussed? What alternatives were considered? Who has decided what birders now comprise the state birding community?
I doubt if I am the only geezer birder in AZ who has a good history of contributing to our state birding community. But I guess that my declining mobility has now forced me out of that community.
Richard Ditch. AZ Geezer former birder
Phoenix, AZ
> On Sep 4, 2024, at 7:47 PM, Pierre Deviche <Pierre.Deviche...> wrote:
>
> For the record - not that it matters much either way - after discovering the Gila Bend Curlew Sandpiper last July, I posted on Discord and NOT on the AZ List. The AZ Discord channel now has ~1,000 members and seems to be the preferred mode of communication and rapid information exchange within the state birding community - for good reasons, as Jacob explains in his message.
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> Pierre Deviche.
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> From: Jacob Bagley <jacobboutdoors...> <mailto:<jacobboutdoors...>> > Sent: Wednesday, September 4, 2024 18:49
> To: Elizabeth Farquhar <liz.farquhar51...> <mailto:<liz.farquhar51...>> > Cc: Richard Ditch <richardditch...> <mailto:<richardditch...>>; AZ List <aznmbirds...> <mailto:<aznmbirds...>>; Pierre Deviche <deviche...> <mailto:<deviche...>> > Subject: Re: [AZNMbirds] Curlew Sandpiper--article on first AZ report
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> Or, Richard, we could use the Arizona Rare Birds and Discussion Discord that was recently created by young birders. It now has 1000 members, and has proven to be a fast and effective means of spreading the word of all manner of bird sightings. Additionally, the discussion aspect of it allows the community to connect on a wide manner of topics from conservation to bird id help to avian science.
>
> This “telephone tree” system that you reference, as well as this listserv, are simply more dated means of communication. If you’re looking for the best way to hear about rare birds, I highly recommend joining the Discord. Birding is changing just like everything else in the world, and it’s much better to grow and adapt with it than be left behind. Hope to see you on the Discord!
>
> Respectfully,
>
> Jacob Bagley, AZ Young Birder
> On Wed, Sep 4, 2024 at 17:30 Elizabeth Farquhar <liz.farquhar51...> <mailto:<liz.farquhar51...>> wrote:
> Hear hear! I'm for using this list service.
>
> On Wed, Sep 4, 2024, 2:48 PM Richard Ditch <richardditch...> <mailto:<richardditch...>> wrote:
> I’d like to thank Pierre Deviche for the timely posting of information about the Curlew Sandpiper he discovered in Gila Bend on July 20, 2024. It is always so nice to see such reports of rarities here on the AZ List so that all AZ birders know about them without the need to check ebird, facebook, and even Discord. With so much Balkanization in the information world it can be difficult for the birding community to find such information in a timely manner. Perhaps we could create a Telephone Tree Network where a report is provided to a person at the top of Tree who then calls selected birders on the next level down, then each of those notified people can call other on the next lower level. Or, instead of this ’50’s era system we could just use the Listserv that we’ve had in AZ since the ’90’s.
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> Richard Ditch
> Phoenix
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>> On Sep 4, 2024, at 1:55 PM, Doug Jenness <dougjenness...> <mailto:<dougjenness...>> wrote:
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>> 4 September 2024
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>> Arizona Birds <https://url.usb.m.mimecastprotect.com/s/ET3ICwn6XzHGyQmzNSVCSC6?<domain...>, the online journal of the Arizona Field Ornithologists, has just posted a new article <https://url.usb.m.mimecastprotect.com/s/PgdACxoWYAI1x0V4XtvJmvD?<domain...> on Arizona's first reported Curlew Sandpiper in July. You'll want to check out this article with its photos. While you're at the journal you may want to look at earlier articles about first state records of other shorebirds including American Woodcock <https://url.usb.m.mimecastprotect.com/s/k3uOCypWZBtrLWwz4UQsCeA?<domain...> and Black Turnstone <https://url.usb.m.mimecastprotect.com/s/vVawCzqg1DiM4BZpriK-eU-?<domain...>.
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Date: 9/4/24 7:47 pm From: Pierre Deviche <Pierre.Deviche...> Subject: Re: [AZNMbirds] Curlew Sandpiper--article on first AZ report
For the record - not that it matters much either way - after discovering the Gila Bend Curlew Sandpiper last July, I posted on Discord and NOT on the AZ List. The AZ Discord channel now has ~1,000 members and seems to be the preferred mode of communication and rapid information exchange within the state birding community - for good reasons, as Jacob explains in his message.
Pierre Deviche.
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From: Jacob Bagley <jacobboutdoors...>
Sent: Wednesday, September 4, 2024 18:49
To: Elizabeth Farquhar <liz.farquhar51...>
Cc: Richard Ditch <richardditch...>; AZ List <aznmbirds...>; Pierre Deviche <deviche...>
Subject: Re: [AZNMbirds] Curlew Sandpiper--article on first AZ report
Or, Richard, we could use the Arizona Rare Birds and Discussion Discord that was recently created by young birders. It now has 1000 members, and has proven to be a fast and effective means of spreading the word of all manner of bird sightings. Additionally, the discussion aspect of it allows the community to connect on a wide manner of topics from conservation to bird id help to avian science.
This “telephone tree” system that you reference, as well as this listserv, are simply more dated means of communication. If you’re looking for the best way to hear about rare birds, I highly recommend joining the Discord. Birding is changing just like everything else in the world, and it’s much better to grow and adapt with it than be left behind. Hope to see you on the Discord!
Respectfully,
Jacob Bagley, AZ Young Birder
On Wed, Sep 4, 2024 at 17:30 Elizabeth Farquhar <liz.farquhar51...><mailto:<liz.farquhar51...>> wrote:
Hear hear! I'm for using this list service.
On Wed, Sep 4, 2024, 2:48 PM Richard Ditch <richardditch...><mailto:<richardditch...>> wrote:
I’d like to thank Pierre Deviche for the timely posting of information about the Curlew Sandpiper he discovered in Gila Bend on July 20, 2024. It is always so nice to see such reports of rarities here on the AZ List so that all AZ birders know about them without the need to check ebird, facebook, and even Discord. With so much Balkanization in the information world it can be difficult for the birding community to find such information in a timely manner. Perhaps we could create a Telephone Tree Network where a report is provided to a person at the top of Tree who then calls selected birders on the next level down, then each of those notified people can call other on the next lower level. Or, instead of this ’50’s era system we could just use the Listserv that we’ve had in AZ since the ’90’s.
Date: 9/4/24 6:57 pm From: T.G. Miko <tgmiko...> Subject: Re: [AZNMbirds] Curlew Sandpiper--article on first AZ report
Here's the thing: for some lovely reason a bunch of different birders in a
bunch of different parts of the country are all using different apps. They
are using whatsapp, discord, and slack. I'm sure there are other apps that
are being used. If there was some kind of general agreement to only use one
app I would be okay with it, but I keep having to add new apps to my phone
and I'm constantly getting notifications from these various apps for what's
going on in various counties in California and to keep track of what's
going on in Arizona.
I have a feral animal in my house, no wait, my teenage son, and he was
appalled that bird watchers are now using Discord. He feels violated that
we are using his Gamer Boy app.
Thomas Geza Miko
Claremont, LA County
909.241.3300
"If you seek the truth, be aware that the truth has many faces."--Neil
DeGrasse Tyson
On Wed, Sep 4, 2024, 18:49 Jacob Bagley <jacobboutdoors...> wrote:
> Or, Richard, we could use the Arizona Rare Birds and Discussion Discord
> that was recently created by young birders. It now has 1000 members, and
> has proven to be a fast and effective means of spreading the word of all
> manner of bird sightings. Additionally, the discussion aspect of it allows
> the community to connect on a wide manner of topics from conservation to
> bird id help to avian science.
>
> This “telephone tree” system that you reference, as well as this listserv,
> are simply more dated means of communication. If you’re looking for the
> best way to hear about rare birds, I highly recommend joining the Discord.
> Birding is changing just like everything else in the world, and it’s much
> better to grow and adapt with it than be left behind. Hope to see you on
> the Discord!
>
> Respectfully,
>
> Jacob Bagley, AZ Young Birder
> On Wed, Sep 4, 2024 at 17:30 Elizabeth Farquhar <liz.farquhar51...>
> wrote:
>
>> Hear hear! I'm for using this list service.
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 4, 2024, 2:48 PM Richard Ditch <richardditch...>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I’d like to thank Pierre Deviche for the timely posting of information
>>> about the Curlew Sandpiper he discovered in Gila Bend on July 20, 2024. It
>>> is always so nice to see such reports of rarities here on the AZ List so
>>> that all AZ birders know about them without the need to check ebird,
>>> facebook, and even Discord. With so much Balkanization in the information
>>> world it can be difficult for the birding community to find such
>>> information in a timely manner. Perhaps we could create a Telephone Tree
>>> Network where a report is provided to a person at the top of Tree who then
>>> calls selected birders on the next level down, then each of those notified
>>> people can call other on the next lower level. Or, instead of this ’50’s
>>> era system we could just use the Listserv that we’ve had in AZ since the
>>> ’90’s.
>>>
>>> Richard Ditch
>>> Phoenix
>>>
>>> On Sep 4, 2024, at 1:55 PM, Doug Jenness <dougjenness...> wrote:
>>>
>>> 4 September 2024
>>>
>>> Arizona Birds
>>> <https://url.usb.m.mimecastprotect.com/s/PIRECnGWL0c7mDBKwS9NyiC?<domain...>,
>>> the online journal of the Arizona Field Ornithologists, has just posted a new
>>> article
>>> <https://url.usb.m.mimecastprotect.com/s/FbVRCoAWMofrvYWB9izQFoX?<domain...> >>> on Arizona's first reported Curlew Sandpiper in July. You'll want to check
>>> out this article with its photos. While you're at the journal you may want
>>> to look at earlier articles about first state records of other shorebirds
>>> including American Woodcock
>>> <https://url.usb.m.mimecastprotect.com/s/d_WRCp9WNpfnAo6vkFYcWLE?<domain...> >>> and Black Turnstone
>>> <https://url.usb.m.mimecastprotect.com/s/m6k6CqAWOqf8XNwzBFEEUi1?<domain...> >>> .
>>>
>>> Doug Jenness
>>> Tucson, Az
>>> Home Page: https://list.arizona.edu/sympa/info/aznmbirds >>> To unsubscribe use the Unsubscribe button on that page.
>>> To view archive: click "Archive" on that page.
>>>
>>>
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Date: 9/4/24 6:49 pm From: Jacob Bagley <jacobboutdoors...> Subject: Re: [AZNMbirds] Curlew Sandpiper--article on first AZ report
Or, Richard, we could use the Arizona Rare Birds and Discussion Discord
that was recently created by young birders. It now has 1000 members, and
has proven to be a fast and effective means of spreading the word of all
manner of bird sightings. Additionally, the discussion aspect of it allows
the community to connect on a wide manner of topics from conservation to
bird id help to avian science.
This “telephone tree” system that you reference, as well as this listserv,
are simply more dated means of communication. If you’re looking for the
best way to hear about rare birds, I highly recommend joining the Discord.
Birding is changing just like everything else in the world, and it’s much
better to grow and adapt with it than be left behind. Hope to see you on
the Discord!
Respectfully,
Jacob Bagley, AZ Young Birder
On Wed, Sep 4, 2024 at 17:30 Elizabeth Farquhar <liz.farquhar51...>
wrote:
> Hear hear! I'm for using this list service.
>
> On Wed, Sep 4, 2024, 2:48 PM Richard Ditch <richardditch...> wrote:
>
>> I’d like to thank Pierre Deviche for the timely posting of information
>> about the Curlew Sandpiper he discovered in Gila Bend on July 20, 2024. It
>> is always so nice to see such reports of rarities here on the AZ List so
>> that all AZ birders know about them without the need to check ebird,
>> facebook, and even Discord. With so much Balkanization in the information
>> world it can be difficult for the birding community to find such
>> information in a timely manner. Perhaps we could create a Telephone Tree
>> Network where a report is provided to a person at the top of Tree who then
>> calls selected birders on the next level down, then each of those notified
>> people can call other on the next lower level. Or, instead of this ’50’s
>> era system we could just use the Listserv that we’ve had in AZ since the
>> ’90’s.
>>
>> Richard Ditch
>> Phoenix
>>
>> On Sep 4, 2024, at 1:55 PM, Doug Jenness <dougjenness...> wrote:
>>
>> 4 September 2024
>>
>> Arizona Birds
>> <https://url.usb.m.mimecastprotect.com/s/74pBCKAlPNf24WyOEiMyf7w?<domain...>,
>> the online journal of the Arizona Field Ornithologists, has just posted a new
>> article
>> <https://url.usb.m.mimecastprotect.com/s/k3HnCLAmQOfRQ9DKjtqC9Hi?<domain...> >> on Arizona's first reported Curlew Sandpiper in July. You'll want to check
>> out this article with its photos. While you're at the journal you may want
>> to look at earlier articles about first state records of other shorebirds
>> including American Woodcock
>> <https://url.usb.m.mimecastprotect.com/s/zUcKCM7nRPIqz3yXOIJ-pkU?<domain...> >> and Black Turnstone
>> <https://url.usb.m.mimecastprotect.com/s/BYlRCN7oVgI0j3q7lSRTbS9?<domain...> >> .
>>
>> Doug Jenness
>> Tucson, Az
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>> To view archive: click "Archive" on that page.
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>>
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Date: 9/4/24 6:13 pm From: Veronica Heron <v.heron...> Subject: Re: [AZNMbirds] Curlew Sandpiper--article on first AZ report
Me too ! Much more democratic and inclusive for all birders.
On Wednesday, September 4, 2024 at 05:30:19 PM MST, Elizabeth Farquhar <liz.farquhar51...> wrote:
Hear hear! I'm for using this list service.
On Wed, Sep 4, 2024, 2:48 PM Richard Ditch <richardditch...> wrote:
I’d like to thank Pierre Deviche for the timely posting of information about the Curlew Sandpiper he discovered in Gila Bend on July 20, 2024. It is always so nice to see such reports of rarities here on the AZ List so that all AZ birders know about them without the need to check ebird, facebook, and even Discord. With so much Balkanization in the information world it can be difficult for the birding community to find such information in a timely manner. Perhaps we could create a Telephone Tree Network where a report is provided to a person at the top of Tree who then calls selected birders on the next level down, then each of those notified people can call other on the next lower level. Or, instead of this ’50’s era system we could just use the Listserv that we’ve had in AZ since the ’90’s.
Richard DitchPhoenix
On Sep 4, 2024, at 1:55 PM, Doug Jenness <dougjenness...> wrote:
4 September 2024
Arizona Birds, the online journal of the Arizona Field Ornithologists, has just posted a new article on Arizona's first reported Curlew Sandpiper in July. You'll want to check out this article with its photos. While you're at the journal you may want to look at earlier articles about first state records of other shorebirds including American Woodcock and Black Turnstone.
Doug JennessTucson, AzHome Page: https://list.arizona.edu/sympa/info/aznmbirds To unsubscribe use the Unsubscribe button on that page.
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Date: 9/4/24 5:30 pm From: Elizabeth Farquhar <liz.farquhar51...> Subject: Re: [AZNMbirds] Curlew Sandpiper--article on first AZ report
Hear hear! I'm for using this list service.
On Wed, Sep 4, 2024, 2:48 PM Richard Ditch <richardditch...> wrote:
> I’d like to thank Pierre Deviche for the timely posting of information
> about the Curlew Sandpiper he discovered in Gila Bend on July 20, 2024. It
> is always so nice to see such reports of rarities here on the AZ List so
> that all AZ birders know about them without the need to check ebird,
> facebook, and even Discord. With so much Balkanization in the information
> world it can be difficult for the birding community to find such
> information in a timely manner. Perhaps we could create a Telephone Tree
> Network where a report is provided to a person at the top of Tree who then
> calls selected birders on the next level down, then each of those notified
> people can call other on the next lower level. Or, instead of this ’50’s
> era system we could just use the Listserv that we’ve had in AZ since the
> ’90’s.
>
> Richard Ditch
> Phoenix
>
> On Sep 4, 2024, at 1:55 PM, Doug Jenness <dougjenness...> wrote:
>
> 4 September 2024
>
> Arizona Birds
> <https://url.usb.m.mimecastprotect.com/s/3066CM7nRPIqz4jEzTwvxPO?<domain...>,
> the online journal of the Arizona Field Ornithologists, has just posted a new
> article
> <https://url.usb.m.mimecastprotect.com/s/ppDKCN7oVgI0jmovjc4G5cm?<domain...> > on Arizona's first reported Curlew Sandpiper in July. You'll want to check
> out this article with its photos. While you're at the journal you may want
> to look at earlier articles about first state records of other shorebirds
> including American Woodcock
> <https://url.usb.m.mimecastprotect.com/s/9QysCOJpWjfpvm3qvckJnHP?<domain...> > and Black Turnstone
> <https://url.usb.m.mimecastprotect.com/s/tiQwCP6q0kCK3EQy3hjvuUC?<domain...> > .
>
> Doug Jenness
> Tucson, Az
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> To view archive: click "Archive" on that page.
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Date: 9/4/24 2:48 pm From: Richard Ditch <richardditch...> Subject: Re: [AZNMbirds] Curlew Sandpiper--article on first AZ report
I’d like to thank Pierre Deviche for the timely posting of information about the Curlew Sandpiper he discovered in Gila Bend on July 20, 2024. It is always so nice to see such reports of rarities here on the AZ List so that all AZ birders know about them without the need to check ebird, facebook, and even Discord. With so much Balkanization in the information world it can be difficult for the birding community to find such information in a timely manner. Perhaps we could create a Telephone Tree Network where a report is provided to a person at the top of Tree who then calls selected birders on the next level down, then each of those notified people can call other on the next lower level. Or, instead of this ’50’s era system we could just use the Listserv that we’ve had in AZ since the ’90’s.
Date: 9/4/24 11:52 am From: Brian Jones <ravenwolf121...> Subject: [AZNMbirds] NO SIGHTING: Notice of upcoming projects on the Santa Cruz River in Pima County
I just wanted to let folks know that the Pima County Regional Flood Control
District is going to be starting work on several projects on the Santa Cruz
River in October, one of which will be phased over a couple of years. The
first is sediment removal near the Prince Road alignment to restore channel
capacity. Shortly after that a pedestrian bridge is going to be built in
the same area. This is near Sweetwater Wetlands and Columbus Park. Though
not it’s main intent, it will actually make it not unreasonable to walk
from one to the other, connecting these two birdy places.
The other projects are further north, from around Cortaro Road to Avra
Valley Road. One project in this area is the construction of a wildlife
ramp on the east bank of the river near El Rio Preserve to help wildlife
get past the bank protection there. Here’s a link to that project:
https://url.usb.m.mimecastprotect.com/s/hY-QC0Aj5NfGm8PyoIwP0AS?<domain...> The other project
is reconstruction of the low flow bank protection and installation of grade
control structures due to undercutting of the existing bank protection.
Here is a link to that project:
https://url.usb.m.mimecastprotect.com/s/N_XECg7WAOIAGkQB0uovLti?<domain...> Both
projects will involve a lot of sediment removal and relocation,
particularly the Cortaro Narrows bank protection/grade control structures
project. The bank protection and sediment work is necessary to ensure
public safety and the wildlife ramp is just a good thing to do to help
connect the Tucson Mountains with the Tortolita and Santa Catalina
mountains.
As with all Flood Control District projects of this type, the District will
be hiring consultants to do reptile/herp salvage/relocation and bird nest
surveys prior to construction, and will do habitat restoration work after
construction. The District will be removing non-native vegetation within
the project areas and will try to preserve as much of the native vegetation
in the project area as possible. But there will definitely be short term
disturbance of habitat and time needed for vegetation reestablishment.
For the birds!
Brian Jones
Tucson, AZ
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Date: 9/1/24 8:07 pm From: Erika Wilson <terika88...> Subject: [AZNMbirds] SEAZ: Sierra Vista EOP---1 Sep 2024
Hi, birders,
This morning 11 people walked the Sierra Vista EOP dikes, during which 74
species were tallied. Starting an hour later than during the summer months,
we missed the early morning flights of blackbirds and doves, but having
advanced another week into migration we found more species than during the
August walks.
Highlights today included the first Gadwalls joining the mixed duck flock;
the first Virginia Rail calling among the Soras; and a nice mix of
shorebirds, including an Am. Avocet and 3 Baird's Sandpipers. A Zone-tailed
Hawk soaring in a small group of Turkey Vultures was a great find.
Song birds of note were: a) one Willow Flycatcher, b) 50+ Western
Kingbirds, perched everywhere, c) a continuing Rufous-winged Sparrow
singing away, and d) small groups of flying Lark Buntings (adding up to 66
birds). Warblers spotted were one Orange-crowned, 6 Com. Yellowthroats
(much quieter now), 8 Yellow Warblers, and one Black-throated Gray Warbler.
Bird walks behind the locked gates of the Sierra Vista EOP occur every
Sunday morning. For the fall months (September-November) walks start
promptly at *7:00 a.m.* Arrive early at the EOP Bird Viewing Platform to
sign in with the guide--group size is limited to fifteen. Late arrivals
will not have access behind the locked gates. Scopes are useful. Bring a
hat and water--there is no shade nor any amenities on the walk route. There
is a chem toilet in the parking area.
The EOP is located just east (~ 3 miles) of Sierra Vista on AZ Hwy 90. Look
for the Brua Animal Care Center and the Wildlife Viewing signs on the north
side of Hwy 90. Turn left (north) and proceed to the bird viewing platform.
Note that Google Maps may direct you to the wrong entrance.
Date: 8/31/24 4:56 pm From: Henry Detwiler <swbirders...> Subject: [AZNMbirds] SWAZ: Yuma County Birding
Greetings Birders,
Yesterday morning (30 Aug 2024) I spent time at Spot Road Farm, the Aztec
Feedlot, and agricultural lands west of Aztec. Spot Road Farm had a few
herons, HAMMOND'S and WILLOW FLYCATCHERS, 3 BANK SPARROWS (pretty uncommon
in Yuma County), and two early BLACK-THROATED GRAY WARBLERS. As usual this
time of year, a good representation of shorebirds included: BLACK-NECKED
STILTS, LONG-BILLED CURLEWS, WILSON'S and RED-NECKED PHALAROPES, and
SOLITARY, LEAST, WESTERN, and SPOTTED SANDPIPERS. At Aztec I added 3
BAIRD'S SANDPIPERS and the continuing BLACK VULTURES (the only spot in the
county to find them).
In the fields west of the Aztec Feedlot I came upon a long berm with
another BURROWING OWL colony, where I counted 21 of the little guys. One
grassy field held three SWAINSON'S HAWKS. LOGGERHEAD SHRIKES, BLUE
GR0SBEAKS, and LAZULI BUNTINGS were some of the other fine birds I came
upon.
We've had a fine stream of migrants in our backyard over the past week. A
few days ago an ALLEN'S HUMMINGBIRD joined our many ANNA'S, BLACK-CHINNED,
COSTA'S, and RUFOUS HUMMINGBIRDS. It took a while, but I was able to get
photos showing the tapered middle feathers (R2) and the narrow outer
feathers (R5). This was bird #157 for our yard! Also visiting are 2
MACGILLIVRAY'S, 2 ORANGE-CROWNED, NASHVILLE, and YELLOW WARBLERS.
Date: 8/30/24 2:49 pm From: John Williams <john...> Subject: [AZNMbirds] NW Tucson, Arthur Pack park this morning
First the easy ID: there were two immature plumage Cattle Egrets on the 9th hole pond as I arrived…. The voice in my head said, “White spots, pull out the scope”
Landing nearby, three Ibis. They all crossed the pond, landing in The mesquite by the pump house, where I was able to get photos…. Doing edits for the ebird checklist, one of the ibis looked different.
The dark eye and white barring patch on the throat matched immature Glossy…. I sent photos to several people for review, but I expect that I will be claiming a Glossy Ibis, APPark species #242
The past two days I spotted a Western Sandpiper; photos showed two different birds.
Yesterday a single Black-necked Stilt flew over.
This morning a MacGillivray’s Warbler briefly poked out of a Desert Hackberry.
Zero White-winged Doves in a 2 mile loop; they were still wire sitting just outside the park entrance.
Zero European Starlings…. Curious miss.
17 Purple Martins were wire sitting as I arrived; their numbers are bouncing around a bit.
Date: 8/30/24 11:41 am From: Janet Ruth <janetmruth...> Subject: [AZNMbirds] Corrales Bosque Preserve, NM, Sandoval County - Romero Road entrance
This morning (Aug. 30, 2024) Dave Krueper and I walked the Clear Ditch and the bosque south of the Harvey Jones Channel down to the Romero Road entrance in the Corrales Bosque Preserve. (7:45 - 10:00 a.m.). Below is my eBird list, with a few additions at the bottom for species Dave saw that I didn't when we split up for a while.
> 33 species (+6 other taxa)
>
> Canada Goose 56
> Wood Duck 8
> Mallard 4
> teal sp. 2
> White-winged Dove 3
> Mourning Dove 11
> Black-chinned Hummingbird 16
> Rufous Hummingbird 2
> Neotropic Cormorant 3
> white egret sp. 1
> Mississippi Kite 1
> Swainson's Hawk 1
> Downy Woodpecker 1
> Northern Flicker (Red-shafted) 1
> Western Wood-Pewee 2
> Hammond's/Dusky Flycatcher 1 Empid; tail going up; wing bars quite buffy
> Empidonax sp. 1
> Black Phoebe 2
> Cassin's Kingbird 1
> Cassin's/Western Kingbird 1
> Common Raven 2
> Cliff Swallow 2
> Bushtit 2
> White-breasted Nuthatch (Interior West) 2
> House Wren (Northern) 1
> American Robin 4
> House Finch 12
> Lesser Goldfinch 6
> Spotted Towhee 3
> Yellow-breasted Chat 1
> Red-winged Blackbird 125
> blackbird sp. 275 I suspect that most/all of these were also Red-winged Blackbirds but flying high and fast with no clear view other than that there were darker and lighter individuals (male and female?); these were seen in two large and one medium sized flock flying over early in our time there (so around 8:00 a.m.); flying south; none seen later in the morning
> MacGillivray's Warbler 1
> Common Yellowthroat 6
> Yellow Warbler 1
> Wilson's Warbler 7
> Summer Tanager 2
> Blue Grosbeak 8
> Lazuli Bunting 3
In addition, Dave saw these:
Ladder-backed Woodpecker - 3
Bewick's Wren - 2
Black-capped Chickadee - 2
Willow Flycatcher - 1
Western Tanager - 2
Black-headed Grosbeak - 1
Date: 8/29/24 9:25 am From: Doug Jenness <dougjenness...> Subject: [AZNMbirds] Long-tailed Jaeger: 'Arizona Birds' Sept. species of the month
29 August 2024
If Arizona is going to be visited by a Long-tailed Jaeger, September is the
most likely month. For the September species of the month
<https://url.usb.m.mimecastprotect.com/s/FcS_COJpWjfpAgLG6IELXbW?<domain...> *Arizona
Birds*, the online journal of the Arizona Field
Ornithologists, features this species, showing the difference between adult
and juvenile plumages. *Arizona Birds <https://url.usb.m.mimecastprotect.com/s/fctYCP6q0kCK421l7C0oRrV?<domain...>* has been posting this feature in its pages since last December to highlight
excellent-quality photos of state and county rarities, birds out of
habitat, species of conservation concern, hybrids, and unusually plumaged
birds. You may want to look back and see the earlier features.
Coming soon will be an article on Arizona's first Curlew Sandpiper.
Date: 8/28/24 4:06 pm From: Steven Tracey <straceyflash...> Subject: [AZNMbirds] SEAZ: San Pedro House Birding Walk + seasonal start time change
Hi Birders,
This morning 9 participants enjoyed a pleasant bird walk on the trails
around San Pedro House. The walk was pleasant both from a bird and weather
perspective with the group finding 57 species, an increase from previous
weeks, under cool cloud cover throughout the morning. Along Kingfisher
Pond the mosquitoes tried to ruin the pleasantry but the group escaped most
of these once we got a bit away from the pond.
Highlights from today's walk started early with the famous Western
Screech-owl poking out briefly from its heart-shaped hole in the cottonwood
by the house as participants gathered. Also as we gathered, we got quite
the show at the hummingbird feeders with Anna's, Rufous, Broad-billed,
Broad-tailed, Black-chinned and Costa's. This is a good hummingbird list
for San Pedro House.
This time of year on the walks we are seeing some regular summer birds
beginning to disappear or diminish (no Lucy's Warblers today and Chats now
in the single digits), some summer birds continuing to go strong (large
numbers of Blue Grosbeaks and continuing singing Varied Buntings) and of
course plenty of migrants. On the migrant front we found Wilson's Warblers
and MacGillivray's Warblers along with tons (39) of Lazuli Buntings among
others. The migrant highlight was the flocks of Lark Buntings flying by,
totalling 66 birds.
While the 2nd and 4th Wednesday of the month walks are bird walks, we don't
hesitate to take a moment to check out other nature, especially when it's
rattling at you like the Western Diamondback Rattlesnake we encountered
this morning. It quickly riggled back into the bushes upon getting a good
look at us. Today was actually a two-snake day with an earlier seen
Ring-necked Snake completing the list. We had a nice butterfly list for a
cloudy day with over a dozen species seen. So even when the birds get
boring (which never really happens) there is always plenty of other nature
to take a look at on the Wednesday bird walks.
Good news for you late sleepers... With the fall months soon upon us, we
are shifting the start time from the summer month to the fall month
schedule. This means that the walks will now start at 7:00AM for
September, October and November. No excuses to not join a walk now.
For the month of September, the Friends of the San Pedro River will lead
two birding walks on Wednesday, 11 September and 25 September. The walk
starts at 7:00am and will begin at the BLM’s San Pedro House off AZ Highway
90 just west of the San Pedro River. The walk will last about three hours.
Bring your own binoculars, a hat and water.
Date: 8/26/24 9:21 pm From: Rosie Watts <pinyonjay...> Subject: [AZNMbirds] Fall migrants - Fort Lowell Park neighborhood
This morning, we had a young black-throated sparrow at our pond - FOS. We
didn't see them as often last winter as we have most winters.
This afternoon, Jim saw a MacGillivray's warbler out back, poking around
under the yellow bells (Tecoma) bushes. That's only the second one we've
recorded at this location - our first was 11 years ago, Sept 16 2013.
Keeping our eyes open for more migrant action. Happy Birding!
Date: 8/26/24 5:14 pm From: Larry <oldbirdbum...> Subject: [AZNMbirds] SEAZ - BUENOS AIRES NWR
A White-tailed Kite was hunting (kiting) high above the rank vegetation filling Aguirre Lake, Buenos Aires NWR this morning around 7:30. It was seen from the Grebe Pond Loop Trail; north levee after crossing the bridge. It was hunting above the hundreds of migrating Cliff Swallows that were feeding just above the tops of the tall weeds. 50 species for the morning.
Date: 8/25/24 4:04 pm From: Erika Wilson <terika88...> Subject: [AZNMbirds] SEAZ: Sierra Vista EOP--25 Aug 2024
Hi, birders,
Nine people (from AZ, IL, and SC) walked the Sierra Vista EOP dikes this
morning, noting 65 species. Highlights included Dickcissel, Rufous-winged
Sparrow, and FOS Marsh Wren.
A flyover Dickcissel, uttering its unique buzzy flight calls, was the 4th
EOP record, and the first August record, the previous records being in
September 2018 & September 2019. Another good find was a singing
Rufous-winged Sparrow, a species which comes and goes: regularly seen in
2018-2020, but only 1-2 times/year in 2021-2024. Two Marsh Wrens calling
back and forth in the cattails were the first arrivals for the fall and
winter seasons at the EOP.
Breeding is tailing off, but a Pied-billed Grebe nest we have been watching
was still active, with the female slipping into the water, her chicks on
her back, with their tiny heads poking up between her arched wings. Sora
numbers are rising: on 11 August we had 1 bird calling, on 18 August we had
3 calling birds, and today we have 12 calling, with one seen briefly in
flight. The EOP hosts up to two dozen Sora during the winter months.
*NOTE: EOP walks in September, October and November start at 7 a.m.*
Bird walks behind the locked gates of the Sierra Vista EOP occur every
Sunday morning. For the fall months (September-November) walks start
promptly at *7:00 a.m.* Arrive early at the EOP Bird Viewing Platform to
sign in with the guide--group size is limited to fifteen. Late arrivals
will not have access behind the locked gates. Scopes are useful. Bring a
hat and water--there is no shade nor any amenities on the walk route. There
is a chem toilet in the parking area.
The EOP is located just east (~ 3 miles) of Sierra Vista on AZ Hwy 90. Look
for the Brua Animal Care Center and the Wildlife Viewing signs on the north
side of Hwy 90. Turn left (north) and proceed to the bird viewing platform.
Note that Google Maps may direct you to the wrong entrance.
Cheers, Erika Wilson
--
Erika Wilson, Sierra Vista, AZ
Date: 8/25/24 3:33 pm From: John Williams <john...> Subject: [AZNMbirds] Catalina Regional Park
8/25
This morning I wandered in to the pond at Catalina Regional Park. Made nearly a full circle trying to get a look at a singing bunting (Lazuli) when a Barn Owl took off out of one of the cottonwoods, from about 15 feet over my head. It might be worth checking to see if it returns.
Lark Sparrows and Lesser Goldfinches continue in numbers, now feeding on ripening amaranth heads.
Here in the NW, Martins are flocking up and getting ready to leave. They’ll be gone in a few days.
Richard Carlson
Full time birder, part time economist
Tucson & Lake Tahoe
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> On Aug 23, 2024, at 8:32 AM, John Williams <john...> wrote:
>
> NW Tucson, 8/23
> The annual influx of Purple Martins is underway at Arthur Pack Reg Park. There have been 4-5 hesperia pairs breeding in the Saguaros, but this morning there were suddenly 40 or more wire sitting and over the 9th hole pond. Two days ago my high was 15 birds.
>
> An immature Double-crested Cormorant was on one of the 9th pond floats.
> Not much else to report from an abbreviated walk of 40 minutes.
>
> John R Williams
>
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Yesterday morning (22 Aug) I spent the early morning hours at Spot Road
Farm (some 11 miles east of Dateland). This was my first really good
migration day of the season, and in three hours I rounded up 58 species.
Shorebirds, which can be hit-or-miss in the small irrigation
impoundments/ponds there, put on a good show with 32 LONG-BILLED CURLEWS, 4
BAIRD'S SANDPIPERS, 3 SOLITARY SANDPIPERS, 17 BLACK-NECKED STILTS, and both
WILSON'S and RED-NECKED PHALAROPES. Unfortunately two of the ponds have had
their sides "groomed," which has filled in a number of the BURROWING OWL
nests. Fortunately they've all fledged, but my usual count was cut to less
than half of these birds--I only spotted 49 of these charismatic owls. A
BELTED KINGFISHER was a nice surprise, as was a GRAY FLYCATCHER among the 8
species of flycatchers. Lots of BULLOCK'S ORIOLES, WESTERN TANAGERS,
BLACK-HEADED GROSBEAKS, and LAZULI BUNTINGS provided lots of eye candy. A
month ago I crossed paths with a badger; yesterday morning I was fortunate
to see a kit fox.
If you visit this area, please note that there are two restrictions: do not
drive around the small ponds (the foreman is afraid we'll fall in) and do
not bird in the housing area at the northeast corner of the property.
Date: 8/23/24 8:32 am From: John Williams <john...> Subject: [AZNMbirds] Martins increase
NW Tucson, 8/23
The annual influx of Purple Martins is underway at Arthur Pack Reg Park. There have been 4-5 hesperia pairs breeding in the Saguaros, but this morning there were suddenly 40 or more wire sitting and over the 9th hole pond. Two days ago my high was 15 birds.
An immature Double-crested Cormorant was on one of the 9th pond floats.
Not much else to report from an abbreviated walk of 40 minutes.
Date: 8/22/24 11:59 am From: Doug Jenness <dougjenness...> Subject: [AZNMbirds] San Carlos Lake
22 August 2024
For 18 months, from January 2023 to early August 2024, the water level at
San Carlos Lake did not go below 225,000 acre-feet, and much of the time
was much higher. The last time it was above 225,00 acre-feet was briefly in
2010. The recent level was the longest sustained high water level at the
lake in this century. One of the consequences is that much emergent
vegetation along the shores was flooded and created good nesting
conditions for Clark's and Western Grebes. Nesting has been occurring
continuously for the past 13 months and is still continuing. Only in three
previous years since 2004 has nesting been detected at the lake, and for
much shorter periods.
Another result was that for much of the past year mudflats and
flooded grassy shores were absent and few shorebirds and wintering
waterfowl and pelicans were present. However, in recent weeks, the water
level has been dropping and some mudspits and islands are beginning to
appear. The largest mudflat so far is around the Monument on the north
side of the lake near the mouth of the San Carlos River. Shorebirds are
beginning to show up there as well as gulls and terns. The pelican
population is also growing.The stocking of the lake with 20,000 black
crappie and 30,000 channel catfish in May 2023, the first time in many
years, has helped increase the bird population. I anticipate that through
the fall and winter this year birding will be good at the lake. Several
rarities have appeared including a Lesser Black-backed Gull, third record
for the lake, if accepted by the Arizona Bird Committee, and a Laughing
Gull, the fourth record for the lake. An Iceland Gull is being reported
from the Monument area, likely the same one that has been reported at the
lake since 27 December 2023. On that date Keith Kamper and I observed a
first-winter Iceland Gull on a small rock island on the south side of the
lake on 1 July. At that same location I observed an immature Iceland Gull
that was transitioning from first to second winter plumage, and others
reported it until 10 July. Paul Heveran and I discovered an Iceland Gull at
the Monument area on 13 August that also appeared to have similar plumage
as the bird seen in July, though is a bit more ratty. Given the rarity of
Iceland Gull in AZ and the plumages of this bird, the ABC will have to
consider whether this is one or three records. The July and August reports
are the first for this species in AZ between the months of March and
September. The only previous Iceland Gull record at the lake was 8 November
2017.
Date: 8/21/24 4:41 pm From: Tom Arny <tarny...> Subject: [AZNMbirds] Olive Warblers at Rustler Park, Chiricahuas, AZ
Birded at Rustler and Barfoot Parks this morning (August 21, 2024) in
the Chiricahuas. Birds were in general pretty scarce apart from Pygmy
Nuthatches. I did see two pairs of Olive Warblers, one pair at the
parking lot by the Rustler Park restroom. The other pair was about half
a mile back toward Barfoot Junction. Saw one or two Grace's Warblers,
but no others. Portal got about one-tenth inch of rain about 2 PM.
Roadside wildflowers were scarce, although there were some nice patches
of blooms at both Rustler and Barfoot Parks.
--
T. Arny
PO Box 545
Patagonia, AZ 85624
tarny AT vtc.net
Date: 8/18/24 8:05 pm From: Mark Krenitsky <mkrenitsky...> Subject: [AZNMbirds] SEAZ: Sierra Vista EOP 18 August 2024
Six local birders attended the Sierra Vista EOP walk this morning. It was
overcast for the first part of the walk, which made for a very comfortable
trip. We ended up identifying 66 species on the day.
The highlight of the day was a Willow Flycatcher, seen well by the entire
group. It is a good find at the EOP - we see one or two a year at most.
Another highlight was spotting a Common Gallinule building a nest. This was
interesting because we know that a pair has already succeeded in raising a
juvenile - which we saw as well.
Other highlights:
1 Western Sandpiper and 4 Leasts was a good find. We also found one Spotted
Sandpiper.
10 White-faced Ibis were a treat.
A Zone-tailed Hawk was a welcome sight.
We got good looks at five species of swallows...again, Violet-Green and
Purple Martin were absent.
And we found two separate flocks of Lark Buntings, including one adult in
breeding plumage - a very pretty sight.
We also got good looks at a number of different species of butterflies and
dragonflies, and a very good look at a 4' long Gopher Snake in the middle
of the dike. Its camouflage was quite impressive!
The EOP walks are on Sundays at 6 AM for the rest of August, switching to 7
AM in September. Attendance is limited to 15 people on a first-come
first-serve basis.
Date: 8/17/24 10:45 am From: Doug Jenness <dougjenness...> Subject: [AZNMbirds] Arizona County Checklists
17 August 2024
The Arizona Field Ornithologists has a long-term project of compiling
checklists of the birds of each of Arizona's 15 counties. So far, six are
available (Cochise, Coconino, Gila, Graham, Pinal, and Yuma) on the AZFO's
new, updated website at: COUNTY CHECKLISTS | AZFO
<https://url.usb.m.mimecastprotect.com/s/F6nFCypWZBtMW4JMHZd8CL?<domain...>COUNTY CHECKLISTS | AZFO
<https://url.usb.m.mimecastprotect.com/s/F6nFCypWZBtMW4JMHZd8CL?<domain...> The lists not only include the
species that have been documented in the counties, but they also note
whether the species have nested and provide standardized abundance and
seasonal codes. The names and order are in accordance with those of the
American Ornithological Society. We will attempt to update the lists as
needed. If you would like to help compile the list one of the other
counties contact me,
The Arizona state checklist is available on the Arizona Bird Committee's
website <https://url.usb.m.mimecastprotect.com/s/3gcNCzqg1Di2Brn2IXIlfV?<domain...>, and has
been updated to reflect the AOS's changes in names and order as of July
2024, as well as the ABCs additions through January 2024. Currently, there
are 569 species on Arizona's state list.
Date: 8/15/24 8:24 am From: John Williams <john...> Subject: [AZNMbirds] Arthur Pack Regional Park arrivals.
NW Tucson.
This morning at the 9th hole pond there were Green-winged Teal and a single Norther Shoveler. First of the fall for both species at the park.
A Bullock’s Oriole, a Western Tanager and an Ash-throated Flycatcher were passing through.
Date: 8/14/24 12:45 pm From: <dpsiminski...> Subject: [AZNMbirds] San Pedro House Birding Walk
This morning, nine birders participated in The Friends of the San Pedro
River’s Birding Walk. The participants were from Ohio, Florida and Arizona.
We birded a 4.4km loop south of the San Pedro House, all within the San Pedro
Riparian National Conservation Area (SPRNCA). We saw 51 species of birds.
The highlights of the walk were the newly arrived migrants from the north. A
female MacGillivray’s Warbler popped up in Garden Wash for a nice sun-to-our-
backs view. She was a lifer for some of our birders from the east. Two Willow
Flycatchers made an appearance. Willows nest a little further north along the
Lower San Pedro River but are rare here in the Upper San Pedro except in
migration.
Some of our dry summer resident breeders have finished with their breeding and
have already moved on to Mexico for the rest of the year. For example, we did
not see any Brown-created Flycatchers nor Lucy’s Warblers which are abundant
in the spring and dry summer at this location.
Our monsoon breeders however are in full show. Botteri’s and Cassin’s Sparrows
were both singing as was a single male Varied Bunting. Yellow-billed cuckoos
made low-cooing songs and loud knocking calls from the cottonwood gallery
forest. One of the 27 observed Blue Grosbeaks was seen carrying nesting
material.
The seasons march on.
For the month of August, the Friends of the San Pedro River will lead one more
birding walk on Wednesday, 28 August. The walk starts at 6:00am and will begin
at the BLM’s San Pedro House off AZ Highway 90 just west of the San Pedro
River. The walk will last about three hours. Bring your own binoculars, a hat
and water.
Date: 8/13/24 3:32 pm From: Betsy Checchia <betsy.checchia...> Subject: [AZNMbirds] West Central NM -- Grants/Mt. Taylor area Monday, 12 August
I birded a couple of spots in Cibola County on the west and north-ish sides
of Mt. Taylor yesterday. Nice cool weather and some beautiful scenery at
8000+ feet. At the Coal Mine Campground north of Grants I had 23 species,
including Williamson's Sapsucker, Woodhouse's Scrub Jay, an adult and
juvenile Bullock's Oriole, and some Lesser Goldfinches (which I haven't
seen in Albuquerque's South Valley lately). I then drove up to a parking
spot below the La Mosca Lookout and hiked on part of the Continental Divide
Trail that gives good views of Mt. Taylor. I had 27 species there above
9000 feet (13 different species from the Coal Mine Campground) for a total
of 36 species for the day. Bird of the day was Dusky Flycatcher at La
Mosca -- there were 2 fledglings being fed by 2 adults there. The
fledglings sat next to each other on a branch and alternated single quiet
"whit"s to remind the adults they were there. Other birds at La Mosca
included 2 Wild Turkeys (I think the small pond there is fed by the aptly
named Gobbler Spring), Band-tailed Pigeon, Cassin's Finch, Pine Siskins,
and at least 12 Dark-eyed Juncos, most of them fledglings. LInks to both
eBird checklists are here: https://url.usb.m.mimecastprotect.com/s/dy90CDwKGDTpx2OMSWxEBL?<domain...> https://url.usb.m.mimecastprotect.com/s/Q_V_CEKLJEtyqr6nSwTS_s?<domain...>
On Saturday evening, I went to Whitewater Draw and found that recent rains
(I think Wednesday or so) had provided inflow into Whitwater Draw. There
were not many waterbirds in view, and I did not have time to check the
extent of the water, but at least most of the southern part was
underwater. From past experience, it takes a while for some of the
vegetation on the playa to decrease and for aquatic bird food to hatch and
grow, but folks who happen to be not too far away from Whitewater may
increasingly enjoy checking it out. There is still abundant seeding grass,
although on Saturday there were actually fewer seed-eating birds like
Lazuli Bunrtings and Lark Sparrows using it than there had been the week
before.
Date: 8/11/24 12:14 pm From: <dpsiminski...> Subject: [AZNMbirds] Sierra Vista EOP Birding Walk
This morning, twelve birders attended the birding walk at the Sierra Vista
Environmental Operations Park (EOP). Participants came from the UK, Indiana,
South Carolina and Arizona. We walked the dikes, and we saw 68 species of
birds.
It was a spectacular day at the EOP topped off by a couple of passage migrants
that we might see briefly at the EOP once every year or so and only in
migration. A Purple Martin and two Willow Flycatchers were seen well by all
participants. The martin was feeding in flight with a group of the five other
swallow species, Barn, Cliff, Bank, Violet-green and Tree Swallows. The martin
stood out from the others primarily by its large size. The Willow Flycatchers
were feeding in the stunted willows at the edge of the cattail impoundments.
The other delights were all EOP FOSs (First-Of-Season) species. Several flocks
of 20+ Lark Buntings flying across the fields with the males flashing black
and white making their soft whistle calls. Our FOS Sora was heard in one of
the cattail impoundments. The EOP population of Soras will grow to 20 or more
for our winter walks. A FOS Rufous Hummingbird whizzed by us at the Recharge
Pond cypress trees. Three FOS Wilson’s Phalaropes made several passes over
the open-water impoundment before deciding to head further south. We had a
glimpse of a FOS Orange-crowned Warbler too.
We took in a spectacular view of a female Swainson’s Hawk both perched closely
and in flight. By next month she will be on her way to Argentina for the
winter. We saw only one Lucy’s Warbler; many are now on their way to winter in
western Mexico.
Birding walks behind the locked gates of the Sierra Vista EOP occur every
Sunday morning. For the month of August, the walks start at 6:00am. Meet early
at the EOP Bird Viewing Platform to sign in with the guide. Late arrivals will
not have access behind the locked gates. Scopes are useful. A hat and water
are highly recommended.
The EOP is located just east (~ 3 miles) of Sierra Vista on AZ Hwy 90. Look
for the Brua Animal Care Center and the Wildlife Viewing signs on the
northside of Hwy 90. Turn left (north) and proceed to the bird viewing
platform. Note that Google Maps may direct you to the wrong entrance.
Date: 8/10/24 9:33 pm From: Rosie Watts <pinyonjay...> Subject: [AZNMbirds] Fort Lowell Park - influx of Lark Sparrows
This evening, we took the dogs to Fort Lowell park a little before 6 pm.
Just as we walked from the parking lot to the grass, a huge gust of wind
and dust blasted us from the south! Enough to make us quickly move away
from any of the large trees, and out onto the grassy field west of the
pond.
We took an abbreviated walk, but we did get to see a large flock
feeding out in the grass closer to Craycroft. Many house finches, but
also over 100 Lark Sparrows. Nice to see greater numbers tonight.
We were also graced with a male Western Tanager at our water feature this
morning. Love migration!
Date: 8/10/24 7:18 am From: John Williams <john...> Subject: [AZNMbirds] "What the heck!" Moment
6:10 AM, NW Tucson, coffee on the patio.
Birds moving through the trees…. Then a large gull moving SE about 50 feet high. Sun still behind the ridge so just an outline and that gull flight behavior. Large enough to have been California or Heerman’s, or something else.
Morning movement: 3 Western Tanagers, 3 Western Kingbirds, first year Black-headed Grosbeak, immature plumage Ash-throated Flycatcher, adult male Hooded Oriole and one other oriole…. Other yellow things moving.
Have not heard a Brown-crested Flycatcher in four days. Still hearing the local Curve-billed Thrasher with its two note greeting.
One Broad-billed and one Costa’s gracing the yard flowers.
Similarly, at Arthur Pack Park, the Myiarchus flycatchers have dwindled. Yesterday three Empidonax showed; one Williow, one Western and one? Cinnamon Teal have appeared.
The golf course continues to loose trees to the monsoons, with several more uprooted by the Aug 2-3 storms. Runoff into the ponds has the water levels above what the shorebirds like, so there have been few.
The Purple Martins seem to be doing okay, with at least four pairs in the area.
