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6/20/24 7:03 pm Joshua Uffman <birdsandbugs...> 2024 Spring Reports Due
6/20/24 4:20 pm Daniel Getman <000002b3a133f539-dmarc-request...> Birds Resume Eating Berries
6/19/24 2:30 pm Maureen Thomas-Murphy <drmabuce...> Re: I thought this was worth sharing, no sightings
6/19/24 2:05 pm Edge Wade <1edgewade...> Re: I thought this was worth sharing, no sightings
6/19/24 1:56 pm MARK A GUTCHEN <0000048ef5b8e037-dmarc-request...> Re: I thought this was worth sharing, no sightings
6/19/24 1:52 pm MARK A GUTCHEN <0000048ef5b8e037-dmarc-request...> Re: I thought this was worth sharing, no sightings
6/19/24 1:13 pm Bill Eddleman <eddlemanw48...> Re: I thought this was worth sharing, no sightings
6/19/24 12:59 pm sgg.bluesfan <sgg.bluesfan...> Re: I thought this was worth sharing, no sightings
6/19/24 10:56 am MARK A GUTCHEN <0000048ef5b8e037-dmarc-request...> Re: I thought this was worth sharing, no sightings
6/19/24 9:46 am Mary Dueren <mary.dueren...> No Sighting-Update on Little Creve Coeur Parking lot
6/18/24 4:01 pm David Becher <davidbecher...> WGNSS BIrding 6/20
6/17/24 9:57 am Edge Wade <1edgewade...> Re: Western Kingbirds - STL City
6/17/24 8:33 am KELLY ORMESHER <kbormesher...> Re: I thought this was worth sharing, no sightings
6/17/24 6:49 am Kyle McCommis <mccommis...> Western Kingbirds - STL City
6/17/24 4:34 am Edge Wade <1edgewade...> Re: I thought this was worth sharing, no sightings
6/17/24 4:18 am John and Linda Frederick <frederickjohnandlinda...> I thought this was worth sharing, no sightings
6/16/24 1:49 pm David Becher <davidbecher...> Re: Merlin and close, loud sounds
6/16/24 10:16 am Bob Bailey <bohemewarbler...> Re: Merlin and close, loud sounds
6/16/24 9:38 am David Becher <davidbecher...> Re: Merlin and close, loud sounds
6/16/24 9:36 am Randy Korotev <rlkorotev...> Re: Merlin and close, loud sounds
6/16/24 8:24 am John and Linda Frederick <frederickjohnandlinda...> Re: Merlin and close, loud sounds
6/16/24 8:00 am Bill Eddleman <eddlemanw48...> Re: Merlin and close, loud sounds
6/16/24 7:54 am Edge Wade <1edgewade...> Merlin and close, loud sounds
6/16/24 3:54 am A Kinslow <kinslow.a.t...> Western Kingbirds @ Columbia Lowes
6/15/24 2:37 pm Bill Eddleman <eddlemanw48...> Re: Merlin: Another mystery resolved
6/15/24 1:49 pm John and Linda Frederick <frederickjohnandlinda...> Re: Merlin: Another mystery resolved
6/15/24 1:01 pm Edge Wade <1edgewade...> Merlin: Another mystery resolved
6/11/24 10:30 am David Becher <davidbecher...> WGNSS OBirding 6/13 and 6/15
6/9/24 2:52 pm Deepa Mohan <mohandeepa...> Re: Some Ironic Humor
6/9/24 12:52 pm Edge Wade <1edgewade...> Some Ironic Humor
6/9/24 7:30 am Edge Wade <1edgewade...> Re: Discussion of Bird Photography Predicament
6/9/24 6:10 am sgg.bluesfan <sgg.bluesfan...> Re: Discussion of Bird Photography Predicament
6/9/24 5:32 am Stephanie <birdsmo...> Re: Discussion of Bird Photography Predicament
6/8/24 7:18 pm Marge Lumpe <margelumpe...> Re: Discussion of Bird Photography Predicament
6/8/24 12:27 pm Mark Schuver <mschuver...> Re: Discussion of Bird Photography Predicament
6/8/24 11:54 am Linda Williams <000005261ef93d0e-dmarc-request...> Re: Discussion of Bird Photography Predicament
6/8/24 11:54 am Jean Ellen Whatley <jeanellenwhatley...> Re: Discussion of Bird Photography Predicament
6/8/24 10:49 am James Hickner <hickner...> Re: Discussion of Bird Photography Predicament
6/8/24 10:22 am Maureen Thomas-Murphy <drmabuce...> Re: Discussion of Bird Photography Predicament
6/8/24 10:00 am Janis Valdes <janis.lee.valdes...> Re: Discussion of Bird Photography Predicament
6/8/24 7:39 am Stephanie <birdsmo...> Re: Discussion of Bird Photography Predicament
6/8/24 7:03 am Margy Terpstra <0000061a61e5f423-dmarc-request...> Re: Discussion of Bird Photography Predicament
6/8/24 4:33 am sgg.bluesfan <sgg.bluesfan...> Re: Discussion of Bird Photography Predicament
6/8/24 4:07 am Marge Lumpe <margelumpe...> Re: Discussion of Bird Photography Predicament
6/8/24 3:48 am Susan Eaton <susiede...> Re: Discussion of Bird Photography Predicament
6/7/24 11:04 pm Lisa Saffell <lesfstl...> Re: Discussion of Bird Photography Predicament
6/7/24 7:56 pm Edge Wade <1edgewade...> Discussion of Bird Photography Predicament
6/7/24 1:05 pm Stephanie <birdsmo...> Re: Discussion of Bird Photography Predicament
6/7/24 12:44 pm Edge Wade <1edgewade...> Missouri Bluebird Society Annual Conference
6/7/24 5:23 am Edge Wade <1edgewade...> Discussion of Bird Photography Predicament
6/5/24 6:07 pm Edge Wade <1edgewade...> Birding with a Purpose--a couple reports
6/5/24 9:28 am Scott Johnston <jscott.johnston...> Error on ebird alert
6/4/24 7:15 pm David Becher <davidbecher...> WGNSS Birding 6/6 and 6/8On
6/3/24 10:51 am Edge Wade <1edgewade...> Mississippi Kites at 3M Wetlands, Columbia
6/2/24 1:01 am Paul Roisen <roisenp1950...> Re: No sighting: My thoughts on immigrants
6/2/24 12:45 am Deepa Mohan <mohandeepa...> No sighting: My thoughts on immigrants
5/31/24 2:31 pm Lanny Chambers <lannychambers...> Re: Altered Feeding Behavior
5/31/24 1:16 pm Daniel Getman <000002b3a133f539-dmarc-request...> Altered Feeding Behavior
5/31/24 12:53 pm Edge Wade <1edgewade...> Passing of two MBS members
5/30/24 8:59 am KELLY ORMESHER <kbormesher...> Re: Attn: eBirders: Birding with a purpose
5/30/24 8:02 am Edge Wade <1edgewade...> Attn: eBirders: Birding with a purpose
5/28/24 7:59 pm David Becher <davidbecher...> WGNSS BIrding Trips 5/30 and 6/1
5/27/24 4:35 pm Diane Bricmont <colaptes.auratus...> St. Charles County Shorebirds
5/27/24 12:58 pm Heidi McCullough <greenheronclayworks...> Re: Bird Street Names in West Central Missouri
5/27/24 12:39 pm Kevin Wehner <kevinwehner...> Re: Bird Street Names in West Central Missouri
5/27/24 12:31 pm Alicia Todaro <todaro...> Bird Street Names in West Central Missouri
5/27/24 11:25 am Dianne & Steve Kinder <000000023c9fba03-dmarc-request...> Limpkins?
5/27/24 7:01 am Edge Wade <1edgewade...> Re: Birding away from cicadas--some observations
5/26/24 7:28 pm Terry McNeely <terrymcneely...> Re: Birding away from cicadas--some observations
5/26/24 6:59 pm Tim Kavan <tkavan_76...> Curlew Sandpiper (leading candidate) - New Madrid County
5/26/24 10:50 am Margy Terpstra <0000061a61e5f423-dmarc-request...> Re: No sighting - Cicada question
5/26/24 10:12 am Mary Dueren <mary.dueren...> NO sighting-Little Creve Coeur Parking lot
5/26/24 8:19 am Edge Wade <1edgewade...> Birding away from cicadas--some observations
5/26/24 7:31 am Jean Ellen Whatley <jeanellenwhatley...> Re: No sighting - Cicada question
5/26/24 5:45 am Mike Taylor <3catacres...> Re: No sighting - Cicada question
5/25/24 6:33 pm Jean Whatley <jeanellenwhatley...> Re: No sighting - Cicada question
5/25/24 5:08 pm N Rock <4rockbird...> Re: Magical cicadas (no bird sightings other than one RSHA)
5/25/24 5:03 pm Daniel Getman <000002b3a133f539-dmarc-request...> Re: Magical cicadas (no bird sightings other than one RSHA)
5/25/24 4:45 pm Mark Gutchen <0000048ef5b8e037-dmarc-request...> Re: Magical cicadas (no bird sightings other than one RSHA)
5/25/24 4:27 pm sgg.bluesfan <sgg.bluesfan...> Re: Magical cicadas (no bird sightings other than one RSHA)
5/25/24 2:56 pm Lanny Chambers <lanny...> Re: Magical cicadas (no bird sightings other than one RSHA)
5/25/24 2:35 pm Bob Bailey <bohemewarbler...> Re: Magical cicadas (no bird sightings other than one RSHA)
5/25/24 2:11 pm Mike Taylor <3catacres...> Magical cicadas (no bird sightings other than one RSHA)
5/25/24 1:16 pm Marge Lumpe <margelumpe...> Re: No sighting - Cicada question
5/25/24 12:51 pm Lanny Chambers <lannychambers...> Re: No sighting - Cicada question
5/25/24 11:47 am Mark Gutchen <0000048ef5b8e037-dmarc-request...> Re: No sighting - Cicada question
5/25/24 5:27 am Margy Terpstra <0000061a61e5f423-dmarc-request...> Re: No sighting - Cicada question
5/24/24 9:44 pm Patrick Maloney <maloneypatrick...> Re: No sighting - Cicada question
5/24/24 4:19 pm N Rock <4rockbird...> Re: No sighting - Cicada question
5/24/24 3:55 pm Lanny Chambers <lannychambers...> Re: No sighting - Cicada question
5/24/24 3:20 pm Jean Ellen Whatley <jeanellenwhatley...> Re: No sighting - Cicada question
5/24/24 3:03 pm Tim Kavan <tkavan_76...> Re: Flooded fields - New Madrid County day 2 - WHIMBREL!!!
5/24/24 2:38 pm Mark Mittleman <0000014c8dd0ed8d-dmarc-request...> Re: No sighting - Cicada question
5/24/24 2:37 pm Bill Eddleman <eddlemanw48...> Re: No sighting - Cicada question
5/24/24 2:29 pm Kevin Wehner <kevinwehner...> Re: No sighting - Cicada question
5/24/24 2:27 pm Patrick Maloney <maloneypatrick...> No sighting - Cicada question
5/24/24 2:18 pm Edge Wade <1edgewade...> Re: Flooded fields - New Madrid County day 2 - WHIMBREL!!!
5/24/24 1:36 pm Tim Kavan <tkavan_76...> Flooded fields - New Madrid County day 2 - WHIMBREL!!!
5/24/24 11:58 am Margy Terpstra <0000061a61e5f423-dmarc-request...> Re: This is from Lisa Berger, whose computer is non-functioning ('til I get my new one set-up)
5/24/24 11:38 am Jean Whatley <jeanellenwhatley...> Re: This is from Lisa Berger, whose computer is non-functioning ('til I get my new one set-up)
5/24/24 11:12 am Patricia Lueders <0000045b01e0e3f5-dmarc-request...> Re: This is from Lisa Berger, whose computer is non-functioning ('til I get my new one set-up)
5/24/24 10:49 am Margy Terpstra <0000061a61e5f423-dmarc-request...> Re: This is from Lisa Berger, whose computer is non-functioning ('til I get my new one set-up)
5/24/24 10:12 am Marge Lumpe <margelumpe...> Re: This is from Lisa Berger, whose computer is non-functioning ('til I get my new one set-up)
5/24/24 6:31 am Edge Wade <1edgewade...> Fwd: This is from Lisa Berger, whose computer is non-functioning ('til I get my new one set-up)
 
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Date: 6/20/24 7:03 pm
From: Joshua Uffman <birdsandbugs...>
Subject: 2024 Spring Reports Due
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Hello Missouri Birders: The end of May has brought a close to the Spring 2024 avian season (March 1 – May 31) and now I need your help.

Please sort through and send me your significant Spring 2024 sightings by 30 June for the period (March 1 – May 31).

What is significant?
* Any species listed as "rare", "casual", or "accidental" on the Annotated Checklist of Missouri Birds: ANNOTATED CHECKLIST OF MISSOURI BIRDS (mobirds.org)<https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmobirds.org%2FBirds%2FMOChecklist.aspx&data=05%7C02%<7CMOBIRDS-L...>%7Cced9458b140345def87e08dc91964014%7Ce3fefdbef7e9401ba51a355e01b05a89%7C0%7C0%7C638545321707665020%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=ahiHELnJmDWHLyd18mvehi57NwKpusVfN9NR9c3Rw2M%3D&reserved=0>
* Unusually early or late dates (check Mark Robbins, excellent resource in the updated 'The Status and Distribution of Birds in Missouri' available for free download at: The Status and Distribution of Birds of Missouri, 2nd edition (ku.edu)<https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fkuscholarworks.ku.edu%2Fhandle%2F1808%2F30959&data=05%7C02%<7CMOBIRDS-L...>%7Cced9458b140345def87e08dc91964014%7Ce3fefdbef7e9401ba51a355e01b05a89%7C0%7C0%7C638545321707821264%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=8KWDGwkLKixZYYx3L4WbiHOXwPGv6Lr%2F03sQ7%2BZ8BeE%3D&reserved=0>
* High counts or unusually low counts (also include a note if a species usually present in your area during this period appeared to be completely absent or unusually abundant).


These sightings will then be compiled for two reports: The first report will include a summary of the 2024 spring highlights and will appear in the Missouri Birding Society’s journal – The Bluebird. That report report will then be used to write the Iowa-Missouri regional report for the American Birding Association's -- North American Birds online journal.

Contact information is listed at the end of this e-mail. Information related to weather and general observations in your area are encouraged and appreciated. Additionally, photos are encouraged, particularly of rare or unusual species seen during this period.

Your sightings must be submitted directly to me or be entered into eBird to be considered for inclusion in the final report. Sightings posted only to MOBIRDS-L will not be included in the report.

Please include the following information:
1) Species
2) Number observed
3) Age/Sex (if known)
4) County
5) Location (i.e. park, residence, city, etc.)
6) Date
7) Additional Notes (such as notes about how you arrived at a particularly difficult identification, and whether you submitted documentation for casual or accidental species)
8) Observer (s), including initial observer/finder if known.

If you have questions about species’ seasonal status, abundance, and or distribution specific to your area, please ask me.

Mailing Address:
Joshua Uffman
707 Ashton Way Circle
Eureka, MO 63025

Thank you,
Joshua Uffman
St. Louis County, MO
314-616-0296


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Date: 6/20/24 4:20 pm
From: Daniel Getman <000002b3a133f539-dmarc-request...>
Subject: Birds Resume Eating Berries
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Our cicadas are starting to fade somewhat and birds appear to be back eating berries. Today, over about 1/2 hour, I observed multiple birds eating the white berries on a cluster of 12 red-twig and yellow-twig dogwood bushes:
robins
gray catbird
brown thrasher
bluebird
cardinal
starling

Dan Getman, Kirksville, northeast MO

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Date: 6/19/24 2:30 pm
From: Maureen Thomas-Murphy <drmabuce...>
Subject: Re: I thought this was worth sharing, no sightings
Thanks for the valuable info Mark.
I added Rhode Island to my state bird list last May.  Had good shorebirds at Napatree Point.
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Maureen Thomas-MurphySt Louis




On Wednesday, June 19, 2024 at 04:04:43 PM CDT, Edge Wade <1edgewade...> wrote:

We won't ask if that update is due to observation or participation.
I recall an experience similar to Steve's.  The rocky cliffs above Botany Bay, Sydney Australia hold more to view than Silver Gulls for a binocular-wielding birder.  Good thing the binocs were strapped on!
Edge WadeColumbia, <MO1edgewade...>

On Wed, Jun 19, 2024 at 3:52 PM MARK A GUTCHEN <0000048ef5b8e037-dmarc-request...> wrote:


Yup, clothing for humans was optional at Moonstone for many years. That did not seem to scare the birds. However, I can attest that clothing for all humans is now required at Moonstone.




Mark Gutchen

Columbia, MO


On Wed, 19 Jun, 2024 at 3:13 PM, Bill Eddleman <eddlemanw48...> wrote: To: <mobirds-l...>
Although I’ve not been back in 29 years, I am quite familiar with all the sites you mention. I was a wildlife biology faculty member at URI from 1988-1994, and used to take field classes to all those places. Some great birding spots!
And yes, clothing was optional for sunbathers at Moonstone Beach.
——Bill Eddleman, Cape Girardeau
On Wed, Jun 19, 2024 at 12:57 PM MARK A GUTCHEN <0000048ef5b8e037-dmarc-request...> wrote:


I am from Rhode Island and have family there. That is where I started my interest in birds 60 or so years ago. Whenever I visit, I try to get some birding in. There are some great places. Some of my favorite places include: Block Island NWR (you will need to take the Block Island Ferry - another way to see sea birds), Trustom Pond NWR, Moonstone Beach, Charlestown Beach Raceway, Rome Point Trail (try the Rome Point Cafe for breakfast or lunch), Sachuest NWR, Ninigret NWR and Ninigret State Park (adjoining areas - but bring mosquito repellant!!!), John H. Chafee NWR (consider renting a canoe or kayak), and Norman Bird Sanctuary in Middletown. My favorite is Trustom Pond. It is small, easy to access, has many different habitats and has loads of different species to see. Rhode Island Audubon has a great website listing places to go. I have been to them all. But bring sunscreen and especially mosquito repellent - especially to Ninigret.




You may also want to join a whale watching boat for a trip. I recently read reports that there are lots of whales of New England this year, so you are bound to see whales and it will give you a good chance to see a lot of sea birds who stay offshore. However, if you go I would highly recommend taking some seasick pills or, better yet, get an anti-motion sickness patch to stick behind your ear from your doctor before you go. It can get a bit rough in block island sound and some folks get seasick (not me fortunately). I have gone several times and the wildlife (including whales, dolphins and birds) are always spectacular.




Don't miss Rhode Island. It is small, but there is a lot to see.




Mark Gutchen

Columbia, MO


On Mon, 17 Jun, 2024 at 6:34 AM, Edge Wade <1edgewade...> wrote: To: <mobirds-l...>
Thank you, Linda, for sharing.
With a "been there, done that" perspective I fully appreciate the many aspects depicted.Birding and family support--a great combination.I'm still looking forward to birding state #50 (Rhode Island), but can attest that even when there was not enough energy to fill the feeders, the emotional lift from watching birds was always a boost.  Having goals of future birding adventures gave valuable focus.

Edge WadeColumbia, <MO1edgewade...>

On Mon, Jun 17, 2024 at 6:17 AM John and Linda Frederick <frederickjohnandlinda...> wrote:

WARNING: This message has originated from an External Source. This may be a phishing expedition that can result in unauthorized access to our IT System. Please use proper judgment and caution when opening attachments, clicking links, or responding to this email.Birding my way through chemo... New York Timeshttps://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Farchive.ph%2F2024.06.15-151305%2Fhttps%3A%2F%2Fwww.nytimes.com%2F2024%2F06%2F15%2Fopinion%2Fbirdwatching-chemotherapy-cancer.html&data=05%7C02%<7Cmobirds-l...>%7C21267cf82add4b51ecf708dc90a6e709%7Ce3fefdbef7e9401ba51a355e01b05a89%7C0%7C0%7C638544294273952597%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=PYQDIKJ4nzJq8t12vzH3QQrh7emeV8j6i4D9JnAEUWg%3D&reserved=0
Or...
archive.ph/T71gY
Linda Frederick Rolla MO 




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Date: 6/19/24 2:05 pm
From: Edge Wade <1edgewade...>
Subject: Re: I thought this was worth sharing, no sightings
We won't ask if that update is due to observation or participation.

I recall an experience similar to Steve's. The rocky cliffs above Botany
Bay, Sydney Australia hold more to view than Silver Gulls for a
binocular-wielding birder. Good thing the binocs were strapped on!

Edge Wade
Columbia, MO
<1edgewade...>

On Wed, Jun 19, 2024 at 3:52 PM MARK A GUTCHEN <
<0000048ef5b8e037-dmarc-request...> wrote:

> Yup, clothing for humans was optional at Moonstone for many years. That
> did not seem to scare the birds. However, I can attest that clothing for
> all humans is now required at Moonstone.
>
>
> Mark Gutchen
>
> Columbia, MO
>
>
> On Wed, 19 Jun, 2024 at 3:13 PM, Bill Eddleman <eddlemanw48...>
> wrote:
>
> To: <mobirds-l...>
> Although I’ve not been back in 29 years, I am quite familiar with all the
> sites you mention. I was a wildlife biology faculty member at URI from
> 1988-1994, and used to take field classes to all those places. Some great
> birding spots!
>
> And yes, clothing was optional for sunbathers at Moonstone Beach.
>
> ——Bill Eddleman, Cape Girardeau
>
> On Wed, Jun 19, 2024 at 12:57 PM MARK A GUTCHEN <
> <0000048ef5b8e037-dmarc-request...> wrote:
>
>> I am from Rhode Island and have family there. That is where I started my
>> interest in birds 60 or so years ago. Whenever I visit, I try to get some
>> birding in. There are some great places. Some of my favorite places
>> include: Block Island NWR (you will need to take the Block Island Ferry -
>> another way to see sea birds), Trustom Pond NWR, Moonstone Beach,
>> Charlestown Beach Raceway, Rome Point Trail (try the Rome Point Cafe for
>> breakfast or lunch), Sachuest NWR, Ninigret NWR and Ninigret State Park
>> (adjoining areas - but bring mosquito repellant!!!), John H. Chafee NWR
>> (consider renting a canoe or kayak), and Norman Bird Sanctuary in
>> Middletown. My favorite is Trustom Pond. It is small, easy to access, has
>> many different habitats and has loads of different species to see. Rhode
>> Island Audubon has a great website listing places to go. I have been to
>> them all. But bring sunscreen and especially mosquito repellent -
>> especially to Ninigret.
>>
>>
>> You may also want to join a whale watching boat for a trip. I recently
>> read reports that there are lots of whales of New England this year, so you
>> are bound to see whales and it will give you a good chance to see a lot of
>> sea birds who stay offshore. However, if you go I would highly recommend
>> taking some seasick pills or, better yet, get an anti-motion sickness patch
>> to stick behind your ear from your doctor before you go. It can get a bit
>> rough in block island sound and some folks get seasick (not me
>> fortunately). I have gone several times and the wildlife (including whales,
>> dolphins and birds) are always spectacular.
>>
>>
>> Don't miss Rhode Island. It is small, but there is a lot to see.
>>
>>
>> Mark Gutchen
>>
>> Columbia, MO
>>
>>
>> On Mon, 17 Jun, 2024 at 6:34 AM, Edge Wade <1edgewade...> wrote:
>>
>> To: <mobirds-l...>
>> Thank you, Linda, for sharing.
>>
>> With a "been there, done that" perspective I fully appreciate the many
>> aspects depicted.
>> Birding and family support--a great combination.
>> I'm still looking forward to birding state #50 (Rhode Island), but can
>> attest that even when there was not enough energy to fill the feeders, the
>> emotional lift from watching birds was always a boost. Having goals of
>> future birding adventures gave valuable focus.
>>
>> Edge Wade
>> Columbia, MO
>> <1edgewade...>
>>
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Date: 6/19/24 1:56 pm
From: MARK A GUTCHEN <0000048ef5b8e037-dmarc-request...>
Subject: Re: I thought this was worth sharing, no sightings
Yes, Ninigret NWR was a long standing Naval Air Station dating back to WWII at least. I believe it closed in the 1970s and the land was converted into a park and wild life refuge. At least one of the runways still exists as an area to walk and bike on. They also have a big sea food festival there in the state park area during the summer.


Mark Gutchen
Columbia, MO


On Wed, 19 Jun, 2024 at 2:59 PM, sgg.bluesfan <sgg.bluesfan...> wrote:


To: <mobirds-l...>

Thanks for posting Mark.


While I did bird in Rhode Island back in 1999 that was before the Internet information we have today. With Edges post missing that state I looked at my New England records and definitely it is a region I need to do some work. I recall that Rhode Island at that time felt like few places were there but as said so much more information is now available, but it is always great to hear first hand.


I do have in my notes that I went to Trustom Pond, Ninigret NWR, and Sachuest NWR and picked up 52 species in one day. I recall one was I think at an old Air Force base? With the runways still there, a gazillion Gray Catbirds, and while scanning up the beach saw in the distance a poor man that must have been in rough water as he lost his swimsuit!


And thanks for the information about the ferry. I do have motion sickness issues and take the preventive measures but it has been awhile, so it is always good to be reminded if I make it back there. The area is on my list.


Thanks,
Steve Griffaw
<Sgg.bluesfan...><mailto:<Sgg.bluesfan...>
Jefferson City MO







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From: MARK A GUTCHEN <0000048ef5b8e037-dmarc-request...>
Date: 6/19/24 12:57 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: <MOBIRDS-L...><http://PO.MISSOURI.EDU>
Subject: Re: I thought this was worth sharing, no sightings



I am from Rhode Island and have family there. That is where I started my interest in birds 60 or so years ago. Whenever I visit, I try to get some birding in. There are some great places. Some of my favorite places include: Block Island NWR (you will need to take the Block Island Ferry - another way to see sea birds), Trustom Pond NWR, Moonstone Beach, Charlestown Beach Raceway, Rome Point Trail (try the Rome Point Cafe for breakfast or lunch), Sachuest NWR, Ninigret NWR and Ninigret State Park (adjoining areas - but bring mosquito repellant!!!), John H. Chafee NWR (consider renting a canoe or kayak), and Norman Bird Sanctuary in Middletown. My favorite is Trustom Pond. It is small, easy to access, has many different habitats and has loads of different species to see. Rhode Island Audubon has a great website listing places to go. I have been to them all. But bring sunscreen and especially mosquito repellent - especially to Ninigret.


You may also want to join a whale watching boat for a trip. I recently read reports that there are lots of whales of New England this year, so you are bound to see whales and it will give you a good chance to see a lot of sea birds who stay offshore. However, if you go I would highly recommend taking some seasick pills or, better yet, get an anti-motion sickness patch to stick behind your ear from your doctor before you go. It can get a bit rough in block island sound and some folks get seasick (not me fortunately). I have gone several times and the wildlife (including whales, dolphins and birds) are always spectacular.


Don't miss Rhode Island. It is small, but there is a lot to see.


Mark Gutchen
Columbia, MO


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To: <mobirds-l...><mailto:<mobirds-l...>


Thank you, Linda, for sharing.


With a "been there, done that" perspective I fully appreciate the many aspects depicted.
Birding and family support--a great combination.
I'm still looking forward to birding state #50 (Rhode Island), but can attest that even when there was not enough energy to fill the feeders, the emotional lift from watching birds was always a boost. Having goals of future birding adventures gave valuable focus.



Edge Wade
Columbia, MO
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Date: 6/19/24 1:52 pm
From: MARK A GUTCHEN <0000048ef5b8e037-dmarc-request...>
Subject: Re: I thought this was worth sharing, no sightings
Yup, clothing for humans was optional at Moonstone for many years. That did not seem to scare the birds. However, I can attest that clothing for all humans is now required at Moonstone.


Mark Gutchen
Columbia, MO


On Wed, 19 Jun, 2024 at 3:13 PM, Bill Eddleman <eddlemanw48...> wrote:


To: <mobirds-l...>

Although I’ve not been back in 29 years, I am quite familiar with all the sites you mention. I was a wildlife biology faculty member at URI from 1988-1994, and used to take field classes to all those places. Some great birding spots!


And yes, clothing was optional for sunbathers at Moonstone Beach.


——Bill Eddleman, Cape Girardeau



On Wed, Jun 19, 2024 at 12:57 PM MARK A GUTCHEN <0000048ef5b8e037-dmarc-request...><mailto:<0000048ef5b8e037-dmarc-request...>> wrote:




I am from Rhode Island and have family there. That is where I started my interest in birds 60 or so years ago. Whenever I visit, I try to get some birding in. There are some great places. Some of my favorite places include: Block Island NWR (you will need to take the Block Island Ferry - another way to see sea birds), Trustom Pond NWR, Moonstone Beach, Charlestown Beach Raceway, Rome Point Trail (try the Rome Point Cafe for breakfast or lunch), Sachuest NWR, Ninigret NWR and Ninigret State Park (adjoining areas - but bring mosquito repellant!!!), John H. Chafee NWR (consider renting a canoe or kayak), and Norman Bird Sanctuary in Middletown. My favorite is Trustom Pond. It is small, easy to access, has many different habitats and has loads of different species to see. Rhode Island Audubon has a great website listing places to go. I have been to them all. But bring sunscreen and especially mosquito repellent - especially to Ninigret.


You may also want to join a whale watching boat for a trip. I recently read reports that there are lots of whales of New England this year, so you are bound to see whales and it will give you a good chance to see a lot of sea birds who stay offshore. However, if you go I would highly recommend taking some seasick pills or, better yet, get an anti-motion sickness patch to stick behind your ear from your doctor before you go. It can get a bit rough in block island sound and some folks get seasick (not me fortunately). I have gone several times and the wildlife (including whales, dolphins and birds) are always spectacular.


Don't miss Rhode Island. It is small, but there is a lot to see.


Mark Gutchen
Columbia, MO


On Mon, 17 Jun, 2024 at 6:34 AM, Edge Wade <1edgewade...><mailto:<1edgewade...>> wrote:


To: <mobirds-l...><mailto:<mobirds-l...>


Thank you, Linda, for sharing.


With a "been there, done that" perspective I fully appreciate the many aspects depicted.
Birding and family support--a great combination.
I'm still looking forward to birding state #50 (Rhode Island), but can attest that even when there was not enough energy to fill the feeders, the emotional lift from watching birds was always a boost. Having goals of future birding adventures gave valuable focus.



Edge Wade
Columbia, MO
<1edgewade...><mailto:<1edgewade...>



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Date: 6/19/24 1:13 pm
From: Bill Eddleman <eddlemanw48...>
Subject: Re: I thought this was worth sharing, no sightings
Although I’ve not been back in 29 years, I am quite familiar with all the
sites you mention. I was a wildlife biology faculty member at URI from
1988-1994, and used to take field classes to all those places. Some great
birding spots!

And yes, clothing was optional for sunbathers at Moonstone Beach.

——Bill Eddleman, Cape Girardeau

On Wed, Jun 19, 2024 at 12:57 PM MARK A GUTCHEN <
<0000048ef5b8e037-dmarc-request...> wrote:

> I am from Rhode Island and have family there. That is where I started my
> interest in birds 60 or so years ago. Whenever I visit, I try to get some
> birding in. There are some great places. Some of my favorite places
> include: Block Island NWR (you will need to take the Block Island Ferry -
> another way to see sea birds), Trustom Pond NWR, Moonstone Beach,
> Charlestown Beach Raceway, Rome Point Trail (try the Rome Point Cafe for
> breakfast or lunch), Sachuest NWR, Ninigret NWR and Ninigret State Park
> (adjoining areas - but bring mosquito repellant!!!), John H. Chafee NWR
> (consider renting a canoe or kayak), and Norman Bird Sanctuary in
> Middletown. My favorite is Trustom Pond. It is small, easy to access, has
> many different habitats and has loads of different species to see. Rhode
> Island Audubon has a great website listing places to go. I have been to
> them all. But bring sunscreen and especially mosquito repellent -
> especially to Ninigret.
>
>
> You may also want to join a whale watching boat for a trip. I recently
> read reports that there are lots of whales of New England this year, so you
> are bound to see whales and it will give you a good chance to see a lot of
> sea birds who stay offshore. However, if you go I would highly recommend
> taking some seasick pills or, better yet, get an anti-motion sickness patch
> to stick behind your ear from your doctor before you go. It can get a bit
> rough in block island sound and some folks get seasick (not me
> fortunately). I have gone several times and the wildlife (including whales,
> dolphins and birds) are always spectacular.
>
>
> Don't miss Rhode Island. It is small, but there is a lot to see.
>
>
> Mark Gutchen
>
> Columbia, MO
>
>
> On Mon, 17 Jun, 2024 at 6:34 AM, Edge Wade <1edgewade...> wrote:
>
> To: <mobirds-l...>
> Thank you, Linda, for sharing.
>
> With a "been there, done that" perspective I fully appreciate the many
> aspects depicted.
> Birding and family support--a great combination.
> I'm still looking forward to birding state #50 (Rhode Island), but can
> attest that even when there was not enough energy to fill the feeders, the
> emotional lift from watching birds was always a boost. Having goals of
> future birding adventures gave valuable focus.
>
> Edge Wade
> Columbia, MO
> <1edgewade...>
>
> On Mon, Jun 17, 2024 at 6:17 AM John and Linda Frederick <
> <frederickjohnandlinda...> wrote:
>
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Date: 6/19/24 12:59 pm
From: sgg.bluesfan <sgg.bluesfan...>
Subject: Re: I thought this was worth sharing, no sightings
Thanks for posting Mark.While I did bird in Rhode Island back in 1999 that was before the Internet information we have today.  With Edges post missing that state I looked at my New England records and definitely it is a region I need to do some work.  I recall that Rhode Island at that time felt like few places were there but as said so much more information is now available,  but it is always great to hear first hand.I do have in my notes that I went to Trustom Pond, Ninigret NWR, and Sachuest NWR and picked up 52 species in one day.  I recall one was I think at an old Air Force base? With the runways still there, a gazillion Gray Catbirds, and while scanning up the beach saw in the distance a poor man that must have been in rough water as he lost his swimsuit!And thanks for the information about the ferry.  I do have motion sickness issues and take the preventive measures but it has been awhile, so it is always good to be reminded if I make it back there.  The area is on my list.Thanks,Steve  <GriffawSgg.bluesfan...> Jefferson  City MOSent via the Samsung Galaxy S21+ 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone
-------- Original message --------From: MARK A GUTCHEN <0000048ef5b8e037-dmarc-request...> Date: 6/19/24 12:57 PM (GMT-06:00) To: <MOBIRDS-L...> Subject: Re: I thought this was worth sharing, no sightings
I am from Rhode Island and have family there. That is where I started my interest in birds 60 or so years ago. Whenever I visit, I try to get some birding in. There are some great places. Some of my favorite places include: Block Island NWR (you will need to take the Block Island Ferry - another way to see sea birds), Trustom Pond NWR, Moonstone Beach, Charlestown Beach Raceway, Rome Point Trail (try the Rome Point Cafe for breakfast or lunch), Sachuest NWR, Ninigret NWR and Ninigret State Park (adjoining areas - but bring mosquito repellant!!!), John H. Chafee NWR (consider renting a canoe or kayak), and Norman Bird Sanctuary in Middletown. My favorite is Trustom Pond. It is small, easy to access, has many different habitats and has loads of different species to see. Rhode Island Audubon has a great website listing places to go. I have been to them all. But bring sunscreen and especially mosquito repellent - especially to Ninigret.
You may also want to join a whale watching boat for a trip. I recently read reports that there are lots of whales of New England this year, so you are bound to see whales and it will give you a good chance to see a lot of sea birds who stay offshore. However, if you go I would highly recommend taking some seasick pills or, better yet, get an anti-motion sickness patch to stick behind your ear from your doctor before you go. It can get a bit rough in block island sound and some folks get seasick (not me fortunately). I have gone several times and the wildlife (including whales, dolphins and birds) are always spectacular.
Don't miss Rhode Island. It is small, but there is a lot to see.
Mark GutchenColumbia, MO

On Mon, 17 Jun, 2024 at 6:34 AM, Edge Wade <1edgewade...> wrote: To: <mobirds-l...>
Thank you, Linda, for sharing.
With a "been there, done that" perspective I fully appreciate the many aspects depicted.Birding and family support--a great combination.I'm still looking forward to birding state #50 (Rhode Island), but can attest that even when there was not enough energy to fill the feeders, the emotional lift from watching birds was always a boost.  Having goals of future birding adventures gave valuable focus.

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Date: 6/19/24 10:56 am
From: MARK A GUTCHEN <0000048ef5b8e037-dmarc-request...>
Subject: Re: I thought this was worth sharing, no sightings
I am from Rhode Island and have family there. That is where I started my interest in birds 60 or so years ago. Whenever I visit, I try to get some birding in. There are some great places. Some of my favorite places include: Block Island NWR (you will need to take the Block Island Ferry - another way to see sea birds), Trustom Pond NWR, Moonstone Beach, Charlestown Beach Raceway, Rome Point Trail (try the Rome Point Cafe for breakfast or lunch), Sachuest NWR, Ninigret NWR and Ninigret State Park (adjoining areas - but bring mosquito repellant!!!), John H. Chafee NWR (consider renting a canoe or kayak), and Norman Bird Sanctuary in Middletown. My favorite is Trustom Pond. It is small, easy to access, has many different habitats and has loads of different species to see. Rhode Island Audubon has a great website listing places to go. I have been to them all. But bring sunscreen and especially mosquito repellent - especially to Ninigret.


You may also want to join a whale watching boat for a trip. I recently read reports that there are lots of whales of New England this year, so you are bound to see whales and it will give you a good chance to see a lot of sea birds who stay offshore. However, if you go I would highly recommend taking some seasick pills or, better yet, get an anti-motion sickness patch to stick behind your ear from your doctor before you go. It can get a bit rough in block island sound and some folks get seasick (not me fortunately). I have gone several times and the wildlife (including whales, dolphins and birds) are always spectacular.


Don't miss Rhode Island. It is small, but there is a lot to see.


Mark Gutchen
Columbia, MO


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Thank you, Linda, for sharing.


With a "been there, done that" perspective I fully appreciate the many aspects depicted.
Birding and family support--a great combination.
I'm still looking forward to birding state #50 (Rhode Island), but can attest that even when there was not enough energy to fill the feeders, the emotional lift from watching birds was always a boost. Having goals of future birding adventures gave valuable focus.



Edge Wade
Columbia, MO
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Date: 6/19/24 9:46 am
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Subject: No Sighting-Update on Little Creve Coeur Parking lot
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Date: 6/17/24 9:57 am
From: Edge Wade <1edgewade...>
Subject: Re: Western Kingbirds - STL City
Western Kingbirds like transformers, and often build nests where a
transformer attaches to the pole. Kyle, check those light poles and any
utility poles in the vicinity. You may get to watch nesting.

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> Adding to Andrew Kinslow's post yesterday about Western Kingbirds in the
> Columbia Lowe's parking lot, I just had at least 2 Western Kingbirds
> hanging around the parking lot behind my building at the Saint Louis
> University School of Medicine (near the intersection of Grand and
> Chouteau). The lot is fenced, and has some tall light poles with flat tops,
> but not sure what else would attract them here. But they certainly seem to
> be branching out from their usual power substations.
>
> Kyle McCommis
> Sunset Hills, MO
> St. Louis County
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Date: 6/17/24 8:33 am
From: KELLY ORMESHER <kbormesher...>
Subject: Re: I thought this was worth sharing, no sightings
It’s amazing how uplifting our feathered friends can be. Thanks for sharing!

Kelly Ormesher
Greenfield, MO
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Thank you, Linda, for sharing.

With a "been there, done that" perspective I fully appreciate the many aspects depicted.
Birding and family support--a great combination.
I'm still looking forward to birding state #50 (Rhode Island), but can attest that even when there was not enough energy to fill the feeders, the emotional lift from watching birds was always a boost. Having goals of future birding adventures gave valuable focus.

Edge Wade
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Date: 6/17/24 6:49 am
From: Kyle McCommis <mccommis...>
Subject: Western Kingbirds - STL City
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Adding to Andrew Kinslow's post yesterday about Western Kingbirds in the Columbia Lowe's parking lot, I just had at least 2 Western Kingbirds hanging around the parking lot behind my building at the Saint Louis University School of Medicine (near the intersection of Grand and Chouteau). The lot is fenced, and has some tall light poles with flat tops, but not sure what else would attract them here. But they certainly seem to be branching out from their usual power substations.

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Sunset Hills, MO
St. Louis County

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Date: 6/17/24 4:34 am
From: Edge Wade <1edgewade...>
Subject: Re: I thought this was worth sharing, no sightings
Thank you, Linda, for sharing.

With a "been there, done that" perspective I fully appreciate the many
aspects depicted.
Birding and family support--a great combination.
I'm still looking forward to birding state #50 (Rhode Island), but can
attest that even when there was not enough energy to fill the feeders, the
emotional lift from watching birds was always a boost. Having goals of
future birding adventures gave valuable focus.

Edge Wade
Columbia, MO
<1edgewade...>

On Mon, Jun 17, 2024 at 6:17 AM John and Linda Frederick <
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Date: 6/17/24 4:18 am
From: John and Linda Frederick <frederickjohnandlinda...>
Subject: I thought this was worth sharing, no sightings
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Date: 6/16/24 1:49 pm
From: David Becher <davidbecher...>
Subject: Re: Merlin and close, loud sounds
That brings to mind a trip too Big Bend some years ago. Our leader was using tape play back and it appeared that the Black-headed Grosbeaks and Hepatic Tanagers could not distinguish the songs either. They both responded to either song. If the birds can not always tell, it seems unlikely that Merlin could.
David Becher
Saint Louis

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Subject: Re: Merlin and close, loud sounds

American Robin, Scarlet Tanager, Summer Tanager, Rose-breasted Grosbeak? Yep. Merlin confuses these guys for sure. Here is what I do if it's not giving any other clues:

In my mind's ear I insert my memory of "chip-burr" and "pit-ti-tuck" sounds into the mix. Whichever seems to fit in the mix of what I'm hearing, is what I call it. Right or wrong.
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Subject: Re: Merlin and close, loud sounds

Yes! I have seen it put those names up and bounce between those 4 birds on the same song. It makes me feel a little better when I get confused.

Linda Frederick
Rolla MO

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Sometimes I think Merlin is picking up those close, loud sounds, but is not indicating the source because there are sounds within the series that correspond to more than one species in the app database. Often, after a prolonged period of no indication, the app lights up--usually with the correct identification.
My experience is that this type of thing happens with sounds of American Robin, Scarlet Tanager, Summer Tanager, Rose-breasted Grosbeak.
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Date: 6/16/24 10:16 am
From: Bob Bailey <bohemewarbler...>
Subject: Re: Merlin and close, loud sounds
American Robin, Scarlet Tanager, Summer Tanager, Rose-breasted Grosbeak? Yep. Merlin confuses these guys for sure. Here is what I do if it's not giving any other clues:

In my mind's ear I insert my memory of "chip-burr" and "pit-ti-tuck" sounds into the mix. Whichever seems to fit in the mix of what I'm hearing, is what I call it. Right or wrong.
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Yes! I have seen it put those names up and bounce between those 4 birds on the same song. It makes me feel a little better when I get confused.

Linda Frederick
Rolla MO

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Sometimes I think Merlin is picking up those close, loud sounds, but is not indicating the source because there are sounds within the series that correspond to more than one species in the app database. Often, after a prolonged period of no indication, the app lights up--usually with the correct identification.
My experience is that this type of thing happens with sounds of American Robin, Scarlet Tanager, Summer Tanager, Rose-breasted Grosbeak.

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Date: 6/16/24 9:38 am
From: David Becher <davidbecher...>
Subject: Re: Merlin and close, loud sounds
I have noticed that Merlin often has problems with birds that are close. I wonder if it is because it is picking up details in the song that are not detectable are a distance. Doing that might confuse the algorithms that compare the sound to the database.

David Becher
Saint Louis

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Subject: Re: Merlin and close, loud sounds

Yes! I have seen it put those names up and bounce between those 4 birds on the same song. It makes me feel a little better when I get confused.

Linda Frederick
Rolla MO

On Sun, Jun 16, 2024, 9:54 AM Edge Wade <1edgewade...><mailto:<1edgewade...>> wrote:
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Sometimes I think Merlin is picking up those close, loud sounds, but is not indicating the source because there are sounds within the series that correspond to more than one species in the app database. Often, after a prolonged period of no indication, the app lights up--usually with the correct identification.
My experience is that this type of thing happens with sounds of American Robin, Scarlet Tanager, Summer Tanager, Rose-breasted Grosbeak.
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Date: 6/16/24 9:36 am
From: Randy Korotev <rlkorotev...>
Subject: Re: Merlin and close, loud sounds
In my suburban neighborhood, Merlin sometimes identifies barking dogs as Wild Turkeys and, less frequently Great Blue Herons and Barred Owls.

Randy Korotev
University City MO


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Subject: Re: Merlin and close, loud sounds

Add Cooper’s Hawk and Baltimore Oriole to that group, based on my experience.

——Bill Eddleman, Cape Girardeau

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Sometimes I think Merlin is picking up those close, loud sounds, but is not indicating the source because there are sounds within the series that correspond to more than one species in the app database. Often, after a prolonged period of no indication, the app lights up--usually with the correct identification.
My experience is that this type of thing happens with sounds of American Robin, Scarlet Tanager, Summer Tanager, Rose-breasted Grosbeak.

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Date: 6/16/24 8:24 am
From: John and Linda Frederick <frederickjohnandlinda...>
Subject: Re: Merlin and close, loud sounds
Yes! I have seen it put those names up and bounce between those 4 birds on
the same song. It makes me feel a little better when I get confused.

Linda Frederick
Rolla MO

On Sun, Jun 16, 2024, 9:54 AM Edge Wade <1edgewade...> wrote:

> WARNING: This message has originated from an External Source. This may be
> a phishing expedition that can result in unauthorized access to our IT
> System. Please use proper judgment and caution when opening attachments,
> clicking links, or responding to this email.
> Sometimes I think Merlin is picking up those close, loud sounds, but is
> not indicating the source because there are sounds within the series that
> correspond to more than one species in the app database. Often, after a
> prolonged period of no indication, the app lights up--usually with the
> correct identification.
> My experience is that this type of thing happens with sounds of American
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Date: 6/16/24 8:00 am
From: Bill Eddleman <eddlemanw48...>
Subject: Re: Merlin and close, loud sounds
Add Cooper’s Hawk and Baltimore Oriole to that group, based on my
experience.

——Bill Eddleman, Cape Girardeau

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> not indicating the source because there are sounds within the series that
> correspond to more than one species in the app database. Often, after a
> prolonged period of no indication, the app lights up--usually with the
> correct identification.
> My experience is that this type of thing happens with sounds of American
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Date: 6/16/24 7:54 am
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Subject: Merlin and close, loud sounds
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Sometimes I think Merlin is picking up those close, loud sounds, but is not indicating the source because there are sounds within the series that correspond to more than one species in the app database. Often, after a prolonged period of no indication, the app lights up--usually with the correct identification.
My experience is that this type of thing happens with sounds of American Robin, Scarlet Tanager, Summer Tanager, Rose-breasted Grosbeak.

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Date: 6/16/24 3:54 am
From: A Kinslow <kinslow.a.t...>
Subject: Western Kingbirds @ Columbia Lowes
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Was a bit surprised yesterday around 7pm to find at least 4 Western Kingbirds noisily claiming the Columbia Lowes parking lot. They were all around the garden center and adjacent high shelving area.

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Date: 6/15/24 2:37 pm
From: Bill Eddleman <eddlemanw48...>
Subject: Re: Merlin: Another mystery resolved
Point well taken, Edge!

This emphasizes an issue I have with an over dependence on Merlin for
identification. One should use it as a tool to learn more (by learning
habitat, observing the bird and its behavior, and learning the
vocalizations), not as the last word.

Another example: There is a mockingbird around my house that does a perfect
rendition of Belted Kingfisher. Merlin agrees, but can’t tell me there is
no stream habitat in my yard!

——Bill Eddleman, Cape Girardeau

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> On recent trips to Eagle Bluffs Conservation Area, Boone Co., Merlin has
> lit up to indicate Virginia Rail in very marginal or absolutely
> inappropriate habitat.
>
> I've been unable to connect that with anything---until today.
>
> Late this morning I sat listening to a variety of bird sounds. Indigo
> Buntings, Field Sparrows, Dickcissels, Common Yellowthroat, Red-winged
> blackbird, Orchard Oriole, Warbling Vireo all wafted into my ear, and with
> hearing aids assisting, I readily identified them all before Merlin lit up
> with the corresponding species.
>
> When Merlin indicated Virginia Rail today, I had already recognized the
> unmelodious sounds of Yellow-breasted Chat. Among them is one sound that
> corresponds to a vocalizalization of Virginia Rail--a coincidence I hadn't
> noticed before.
>
> Lesson: Consider habitat before accepting a Merlin identification of a
> bird you can hear, but cannot see.
>
> Edge Wade
> Columbia, MO
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Date: 6/15/24 1:49 pm
From: John and Linda Frederick <frederickjohnandlinda...>
Subject: Re: Merlin: Another mystery resolved
Aren't Chats wonderful! One of my favorites.

I recently had Merlin running for a song in my neighborhood. I felt it was
a Scarlet Tanager, but we generally don't have them in this neighborhood
beyond spring migration (but there are plenty of nesting locations nearby).
Merlin picked up every other bird in the area, but seemed to not hear the
Tanager, though to my ears it was the loudest bird singing. Finally, I saw
it and about that same time Merlin heard it. Confirmed, Scarlet Tanager.
Birding is always an adventure, with or without our technology.

Linda Frederick


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> On recent trips to Eagle Bluffs Conservation Area, Boone Co., Merlin has
> lit up to indicate Virginia Rail in very marginal or absolutely
> inappropriate habitat.
>
> I've been unable to connect that with anything---until today.
>
> Late this morning I sat listening to a variety of bird sounds. Indigo
> Buntings, Field Sparrows, Dickcissels, Common Yellowthroat, Red-winged
> blackbird, Orchard Oriole, Warbling Vireo all wafted into my ear, and with
> hearing aids assisting, I readily identified them all before Merlin lit up
> with the corresponding species.
>
> When Merlin indicated Virginia Rail today, I had already recognized the
> unmelodious sounds of Yellow-breasted Chat. Among them is one sound that
> corresponds to a vocalizalization of Virginia Rail--a coincidence I hadn't
> noticed before.
>
> Lesson: Consider habitat before accepting a Merlin identification of a
> bird you can hear, but cannot see.
>
> Edge Wade
> Columbia, MO
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Date: 6/15/24 1:01 pm
From: Edge Wade <1edgewade...>
Subject: Merlin: Another mystery resolved
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On recent trips to Eagle Bluffs Conservation Area, Boone Co., Merlin has lit up to indicate Virginia Rail in very marginal or absolutely inappropriate habitat.

I've been unable to connect that with anything---until today.

Late this morning I sat listening to a variety of bird sounds. Indigo Buntings, Field Sparrows, Dickcissels, Common Yellowthroat, Red-winged blackbird, Orchard Oriole, Warbling Vireo all wafted into my ear, and with hearing aids assisting, I readily identified them all before Merlin lit up with the corresponding species.

When Merlin indicated Virginia Rail today, I had already recognized the unmelodious sounds of Yellow-breasted Chat. Among them is one sound that corresponds to a vocalizalization of Virginia Rail--a coincidence I hadn't noticed before.

Lesson: Consider habitat before accepting a Merlin identification of a bird you can hear, but cannot see.

Edge Wade
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Date: 6/11/24 10:30 am
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Subject: WGNSS OBirding 6/13 and 6/15
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On Thursday, we will meet at the HQ at Horseshoe Lake at 8 am.
Some of the interns from the UMSL CLIMB program will be joining us for birding and lunch. A good turnout would be appreciated. Try to be at the parking lots along the lake at 8am so we can do introductions.
Please make them welcome and consider bringing a lunch.

On Saturday, we will meet at Teal Pond at Riverlands at 8 am.

Please note that it is likely to be quite warm both days.

David Becher
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Date: 6/9/24 2:52 pm
From: Deepa Mohan <mohandeepa...>
Subject: Re: Some Ironic Humor
I have been following the birds-and-bird-photographers thread avidly; in
India, our large number of birders, the majority of whom carry cameras (
many do so without binoculars!) this issue is a very serious one. I often
resort, after my walks to photographs of birders (blurred out) who are
walking too close to the bird, or on the bed of a dried up lake, to warn my
fellow birders of the dangers such practices can pose. Educating people is
a slow process, but I think it eventually works.

Now, I was tickled pink by Edge's spotting of Eurasian Tree Sparrows (which
I went to see at Cahokia Mounds, I think with Edge herself!) as
representatives for National Bird Day! I am reminded of real estate ads in
my country which unfailingly post photos of Hummingbirds to attract
customers (we don't have them in India). We even have nice bird articles
in the newspapers with birds that we do not have!

I am in Seattle right now and it was lovely to see your National Bird
sitting far off, on a pole, when I joined the Eastside Audubon bird walk at
a place called Juanita Bay Park, and another one when I went to Sammamish
Landing Park to celebrate a friend's birthday. They seem to be common
here going by the casual reaction of the other birders on the walk, but
having gone all the way to confluence at Alton to see these
magnificent birds nesting, I was thrilled to see them, and you could see
several exclamation marks over my head!

Also thrilling was my first sight of an Osprey, carrying a large piece of
what I think is nesting material, at the Marymoor Audubon Trail (a very
brief visit to meet someone).

Please don't mind my SMS (Shamelessly Mediocre Shots). I photograph only
for documentation! That brings me back to the whole bird/bird photography
debate, but I've said what I had to say about that. In fact, when I
announce my walks, I add the ABA's guidelines to birding ethics. I couldn't
say it better, so I don't try to...just add my blogpost of it:

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Dear Edge, the bird book you gave me in 2015, which I took back to India in
2016 and which I brought back on this visit after a gap of 7 years, is
being used again. Oh yes, I have Merlin and eBird, and Google Lens.... but
nothing like Looking It Up In The Book (and looking at a few other pages
while doing so, too).

Cheers, Deepa
Kirkland, Seattle




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> ...
>
> A site that proclaims: Born Free USA emphasizes the importance of
> National Bird Day and lists it as a day to shine a spotlight on issues
> critical to the protection and survival of birds, both captive and wild.
>
> and was presented with three delightful photos of...
> European Tree Sparrows.
>
> Groaning and head shaking,
>
> Edge Wade
> Columbia, MO
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Date: 6/9/24 12:52 pm
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I spent a bit of time today researching material for future eNews items.

National Bird Day caught my eye. I went to the National Day Calendar website: https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nationaldaycalendar.com%2Fnational-day%2Fnational-bird-day-january-5&data=05%7C02%<7CMOBIRDS-L...>%7C77dd1a2e79c148b76c6508dc88bda787%7Ce3fefdbef7e9401ba51a355e01b05a89%7C0%7C0%7C638535595344741130%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=L%2Fv29E1JpkHXw0%2BMXVesJtLcjRsIdGeJAv%2BZelymQvs%3D&reserved=0 ...

A site that proclaims: Born Free USA emphasizes the importance of National Bird Day and lists it as a day to shine a spotlight on issues critical to the protection and survival of birds, both captive and wild.

and was presented with three delightful photos of...
European Tree Sparrows.

Groaning and head shaking,

Edge Wade
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Date: 6/9/24 7:30 am
From: Edge Wade <1edgewade...>
Subject: Re: Discussion of Bird Photography Predicament
Thank you, Steve, for directing the conversation back to the original
points: Good behavior vs. bad behavior, what we can do about reducing the
bad behavior, and how we can improve relations among the various
foci/focuses of members of the birding community.

This discussion is not intended as an Us against Them. It is not an
anti-photographer diatribe.

It is an attempt to promote better understanding of the issues that are
dividing us. The "us" is people who go looking for/at birds, whether it is
simply for the enjoyment/pleasure of seeing a bird, adding to a list,
getting a photo, or all of the above.

The purpose of seeking better understanding among us is two-fold.

One goal is to reduce the tension, the discord. A clear indication of the
degree of that tension is Stephanie's initial and continued defensive
responses to the discussion. It is precisely that feeling of antagonism
and defensiveness that we need to work on defusing.

We can only improve the relationships among the variously focused people
seeking opportunities to observe and photograph birds by speaking civilly
to one another. In that vein, I reiterate, this thread is not a
confrontation, but an attempt to open a dialog to improve communication and
attitudes.

The second goal is to reduce the behaviors that disturb birds through civil
discourse. After all, behavior insensitive disturbance is the crux of the
division among us.

We can't do anything about unintentional disturbances, but we can adjust
our behavior to reduce frightening/threatening/stressing birds.

This isn't a discussion about or directed to people, with or without
cameras, flushing birds intentionally to get them to fly in order to get
that quintessential flight shot or to see a critical identification
determining field mark. Those are extreme ego-driven actions unlikely to
be checked by reasoned dialog.

The intent of this discussion is to work on ways we can inform, teach,
promote responsible behavior in the presence of birds, especially to reduce
disturbance by people getting too close to the bird.

Knowing when one is getting too close to a bird (and this varies by species
and individuals--often dependent on season and what the bird is doing) is
something that is learned. That is only half of the matter. The second
half is caring about disturbing the bird.

This discussion is about how we can improve conveying the understanding of
what is "too close" and the caring about the effect and results of getting
too close. With or without a camera in hand.

Let's work on it.

Edge Wade
Columbia, MO
<1edgewade...>


On Sun, Jun 9, 2024 at 8:10 AM sgg.bluesfan <sgg.bluesfan...> wrote:

> You are missing the point Stephanie. Most birds will flush if a person
> gets too close whether a birder, photographer, a child playing, or
> whatever. On my morning walks this week each day the local turkeys
> standing on the walking path move away but don't fly off because they are
> used to people walking the paths, but in my own yard if I did not see them
> when i come out they will most likely fly off.
>
> How close one can get depends on the bird. Obviously those high up in a
> tree most likely will ignore us, but not always.
>
> Edge had gotten me addicted to Rio Grande Valley birding and one of the
> many good pieces of advice she gives is to set up bird alerts for the three
> counties down there. I have left them on since my first trip in 2021 and
> see the rare birds reported. I saw the reports on the Lapwing but with
> too many recent trips my vacation time did not allow me to try for it. But
> from the reports I saw it looked like they had a good setup for people to
> get to see the bird.
>
> Not seeing the person push it for that great shot, I can't personally
> confirm if they crossed the line so the speak. But regardless of whether
> that person had a camera or not if they crowded the bird and pushed it so
> much more than the others there it is a problem.
>
> And yes, I saw the Towee and I am thankful for that. But like all groups
> of people, there are mostly good ones and a few lemons and it sounds like
> this photographer in the vally was a lemon. Most are good and respectful.
> Certainly those that respect the bird and those that wish to see or
> photograph the bird do not need a talking to.
>
> Steve Griffaw
> <Sgg.bluesfan...>
> Jefferson City MO
>
>
>
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>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Stephanie <birdsmo...>
> Date: 6/9/24 7:32 AM (GMT-06:00)
> To: <MOBIRDS-L...>
> Subject: Re: Discussion of Bird Photography Predicament
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> Lest We Forget..
> The Spotted Towhees we all got to see at Lake 8 at Busch were there
> because of a photographer.
> I repeat, we got to see Spotted Towhees because of a photographer.
> What wrath should we impose on that photographer ?
>
>
> Stephanie Becket
> Maplewood, Mo.
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Date: 6/9/24 6:10 am
From: sgg.bluesfan <sgg.bluesfan...>
Subject: Re: Discussion of Bird Photography Predicament
You are missing the point Stephanie.   Most birds will flush if a person gets too close whether a birder, photographer,  a child playing, or whatever.  On my morning walks this week each day the local turkeys standing on the walking path move away but don't fly off because they are used to people walking the paths, but in my own yard if I did not see them when i come out they will most likely fly off.How close one can get depends on the bird.  Obviously those high up in a tree most likely will ignore us, but not always.Edge had gotten me addicted to Rio Grande Valley birding and one of the many good pieces of advice she gives is to set up bird alerts for the three counties down there. I have left them on since my first trip in 2021 and see the rare birds reported.   I saw the reports on the Lapwing but with too many recent trips my vacation time did not allow me to try for it.  But from the reports I saw it looked like they had a good setup for people to get to see the bird.Not seeing the person push it for that great shot, I can't personally confirm if they crossed the line so the speak.  But regardless of whether that person had a camera or not if they crowded the bird and pushed it so much more than the others there it is a problem.And yes, I saw the Towee and I am thankful for that.  But like all groups of people,  there are mostly good ones and a few lemons and it sounds like this photographer in the vally was a lemon.  Most are good and respectful.  Certainly those that respect the bird and those that wish to see or photograph the bird do not need a talking to.Steve <GriffawSgg.bluesfan...> Jefferson  City MOSent via the Samsung Galaxy S21+ 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone
-------- Original message --------From: Stephanie <birdsmo...> Date: 6/9/24 7:32 AM (GMT-06:00) To: <MOBIRDS-L...> Subject: Re: Discussion of Bird Photography Predicament WARNING: This message has originated from an External Source. This may be a phishing expedition that can result in unauthorized access to our IT System. Please use proper judgment and caution when opening attachments, clicking links, or responding to this email.Lest We Forget..The Spotted Towhees we all got to see at Lake 8 at Busch were therebecause of a photographer.I repeat, we got to see Spotted Towhees because of a photographer.What wrath should we impose on that photographer ?Stephanie BecketMaplewood, Mo.------------------------------------------------------------The Missouri Birding Society's Wild Bird Discussion ForumList archives: https://po.missouri.edu/scripts/wa.exe?A0=MOBIRDS-LMBS Website: https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmobirds.org%2FQuestions&data=05%7C02%<7CMOBIRDS-L...>%7C638d20a373ff4a12b02f08dc88850a9e%7Ce3fefdbef7e9401ba51a355e01b05a89%7C0%7C0%7C638535353746929096%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=3XCO4%2BGyLGpvqn3DXNJDQDHw7WfCUK70SV9IkOQe3TU%3D&reserved=0 or comments? Email the list owners: mailto:<mobirds-l-request...> unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://po.missouri.edu/SCRIPTS/wa.exe/wa?SUBED1=mobirds-l&A=1ABA Birding Code of Ethics: https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.aba.org%2Fabout%2Fethics.htmlMBS&data=05%7C02%<7CMOBIRDS-L...>%7C638d20a373ff4a12b02f08dc88850a9e%7Ce3fefdbef7e9401ba51a355e01b05a89%7C0%7C0%7C638535353746929096%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=AF2wNXhKl1k4%2Ba1A%2FUuuorbDB7jDKrXgYkDnIJDzhHg%3D&reserved=0 Fall Meeting:  October 4-6, 2024 at Three Trails Camp and Retreat Center, Independence, MO.Details and registration: https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmobirds.org%2FMBS%2FNextMeeting.aspx&data=05%7C02%<7CMOBIRDS-L...>%7C638d20a373ff4a12b02f08dc88850a9e%7Ce3fefdbef7e9401ba51a355e01b05a89%7C0%7C0%7C638535353746929096%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=KXWVs2kvaiCf6ixpXZuKHCVCjio9fyN3068aZ5Am3i8%3D&reserved=0

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Date: 6/9/24 5:32 am
From: Stephanie <birdsmo...>
Subject: Re: Discussion of Bird Photography Predicament
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Lest We Forget..
The Spotted Towhees we all got to see at Lake 8 at Busch were there
because of a photographer.
I repeat, we got to see Spotted Towhees because of a photographer.
What wrath should we impose on that photographer ?


Stephanie Becket
Maplewood, Mo.

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Date: 6/8/24 7:18 pm
From: Marge Lumpe <margelumpe...>
Subject: Re: Discussion of Bird Photography Predicament
Thank you for your contribution, Mark. Very sensible and helpful.
Marge Lumpe

On Sat, Jun 8, 2024 at 2:26 PM Mark Schuver <mschuver...> wrote:

> Hello Everyone:
>
> Some of you may know me, but many do not. I'm one of those people who
> loves photography and happens to love to photograph birds. Although I'm
> always learning, I don't consider myself a birder. From my perspective, I
> always try to respect any wildlife and do my best not to disturb them. I
> shoot with a long lens and often use my car as a blind to avoid scaring off
> birds. Before the Snowy Owl died here a few years ago I had observed
> several people getting too close, and I did very politely ask some of them
> to stay back and explained to them why. I think that as long as you are
> polite and non-confrontational, most people will listen and not take
> offense if you ask them to respect the wildlife. (Of course, there's always
> going to be a non-cooperative one now and then, but we can't control that).
> Most people who take the time to explore nature have a love and respect for
> it and don't want to intentionally cause harm to any animal. They may just
> not know any better, so a gentle explanation may be all that is needed.
>
> That's my 2 cents, for what it's worth.
>
> Mark Schuver
> Chesterfield, Missouri
>
>
>
> Mark S. Schuver
> Mathis, Marifian & Richter, LTD.
> <mschuver...>
> (618) 234-9800
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>
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Linda Williams <000005261ef93d0e-dmarc-request...>
> Date: 6/8/24 1:54 PM (GMT-06:00)
> To: <MOBIRDS-L...>
> Subject: Re: Discussion of Bird Photography Predicament
>
> Spot on, Margy! Sometimes the birds come to you and the only thing you
> should do is remain quiet and non-intrusive. You may or may not get a photo
> but you’ll have a fun experience.
>
> As for Noppadol and other professional photographers, they have many
> tricks they use to get great photos without disturbing wildlife such as
> blinds and remote-trigger cameras and exceptional equipment and I know
> Noppadol spends many hours and even days being patient for the right shot
> with minimal disruption. If you disturb your subject, you’re not going to
> get the shot.
>
> I’ve been accused of getting too close with a camera for a sensitive
> species based solely on the photo but you couldn’t tell from the photo that
> the bird was at least 50 yards away and I was in my car using a long lens
> with an extender and the photo was heavily cropped.
>
> 1. Don’t think you know the circumstances just looking at a photo.
>
> 2. The original article was only one uncommon example where other people
> were present. Birders as well as bird photographers as well as walkers who
> are not wildlife watching can intentionally or unintentionally flush an
> animal. The bird photographer with a long lens approaching a rare lapwing
> most likely knew it was wrong and didn’t care and there was no opportunity
> for education.
>
> 3. Say something if you like or not. No one is making you confront others
> if you’re not comfortable with it.
>
> Linda Williams
> Springfield, MO
> Winona, MO
>
>
> On Jun 8, 2024, at 9:02 AM, Margy Terpstra <
> <0000061a61e5f423-dmarc-request...> wrote:
>
> Edge,
>
> Thank you for starting this discussion. I would like to add a few comments
> being a birder/photographer myself.
>
> Twenty-one years ago, I started documenting birds here in our yard with a
> digital camera. This followed documenting a record Varied Thrush with a
> barely passable colored pencil drawing. So, I stand or sit quite still for
> long periods and just try to blend in. Sixteen years ago, my life
> Black-billed Cuckoo landed on a branch about seven feet from me. All I
> could do was breathe and not blink so I could take in the moment, and that
> stunning bright red orbital ring!
>
> Birds have landed on my hat numerous times, a titmouse landed on my
> shoulder, went under my hat and tucked a safflower seed into my turtleneck
> to retrieve later. Carolina wrens have bounced all around me and under my
> chair, curiously looking up at me and going about their business. They make
> me giggle. Adult birds bring their fledglings to the bubbler area and leave
> them for me to watch. The birds know it’s a safe place.
>
> Like many, I’ve flushed birds inadvertently, not realizing I was too close
> to its ‘aura’ or ‘comfort zone’. So, my ‘mantra’ became, “Minimal
> Disturbance”. We work together quickly in the garden and come back to the
> deck or inside to allow the birds to go about foraging, bathing or whatever
> they need to do throughout our yard’s habitat.
>
> Every time a bird has to change its behavior, it uses precious energy.
> Birds need to come first in our thoughts as we bird or photograph.
>
>
> Margy Terpstra
> <ladybirdterp...>
> Kirkwood, St. Louis CO, MO
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> On Jun 8, 2024, at 6:33 AM, sgg.bluesfan <sgg.bluesfan...> wrote:
>
> When it comes to getting too close to a bird whether for identification or
> a great picture we all should be aware that flushing the bird benefits no
> one including the bird. We all probably have done that. Not meaning to
> but if Edge's post makes us pause first then it is well worth it.
>
> Thanks,
> Steve Griffaw
> <Sgg.bluesfan...>
> Jefferson City MO
>
>
>
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> -------- Original message --------
> From: Marge Lumpe <margelumpe...>
> Date: 6/8/24 6:07 AM (GMT-06:00)
> To: <MOBIRDS-L...>
> Subject: Re: Discussion of Bird Photography Predicament
>
> As always, Edge, well said.
> Marge
>
> On Fri, Jun 7, 2024 at 9:56 PM Edge Wade <1edgewade...> wrote:
>
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>> Stephanie,
>> I cannot tell if your response is in well-intended humor or a sarcastic
>> response because you were offended by my post.
>>
>> I do want to stress that nowhere in the article, nor in my presentation
>> of it is it suggested that when saying something the speaker is to admonish
>> the photographer.
>>
>> Rather, the intent of speaking is to alert and educate. That is, to
>> explain to those who are not aware that there is a "comfort zone" for
>> various bird species and how violating that comfort zone can cause the bird
>> to change behavior, for example, leave a productive feeding area during
>> migration, or delay feeding hungry young or even abandon a nest with eggs
>> or young in it.
>>
>> It is hoped that once a person understands how deleterious getting too
>> close to a bird (with or without a camera) a respectful distance will be
>> maintained.
>>
>> Repeating the closing paragraph of the initial message: This
>> uncomfortable situation...can be a more pleasant relationship with a little
>> thought, education and mutual respect. Let's work on it!
>>
>> Edge Wade
>> Columbia, MO
>> <1edgewade...>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Date: 6/8/24 12:27 pm
From: Mark Schuver <mschuver...>
Subject: Re: Discussion of Bird Photography Predicament
Hello Everyone:

Some of you may know me, but many do not. I'm one of those people who loves photography and happens to love to photograph birds. Although I'm always learning, I don't consider myself a birder. From my perspective, I always try to respect any wildlife and do my best not to disturb them. I shoot with a long lens and often use my car as a blind to avoid scaring off birds. Before the Snowy Owl died here a few years ago I had observed several people getting too close, and I did very politely ask some of them to stay back and explained to them why. I think that as long as you are polite and non-confrontational, most people will listen and not take offense if you ask them to respect the wildlife. (Of course, there's always going to be a non-cooperative one now and then, but we can't control that). Most people who take the time to explore nature have a love and respect for it and don't want to intentionally cause harm to any animal. They may just not know any better, so a gentle explanation may be all that is needed.

That's my 2 cents, for what it's worth.

Mark Schuver
Chesterfield, Missouri



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-------- Original message --------
From: Linda Williams <000005261ef93d0e-dmarc-request...>
Date: 6/8/24 1:54 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: <MOBIRDS-L...>
Subject: Re: Discussion of Bird Photography Predicament

Spot on, Margy! Sometimes the birds come to you and the only thing you should do is remain quiet and non-intrusive. You may or may not get a photo but you’ll have a fun experience.

As for Noppadol and other professional photographers, they have many tricks they use to get great photos without disturbing wildlife such as blinds and remote-trigger cameras and exceptional equipment and I know Noppadol spends many hours and even days being patient for the right shot with minimal disruption. If you disturb your subject, you’re not going to get the shot.

I’ve been accused of getting too close with a camera for a sensitive species based solely on the photo but you couldn’t tell from the photo that the bird was at least 50 yards away and I was in my car using a long lens with an extender and the photo was heavily cropped.

1. Don’t think you know the circumstances just looking at a photo.

2. The original article was only one uncommon example where other people were present. Birders as well as bird photographers as well as walkers who are not wildlife watching can intentionally or unintentionally flush an animal. The bird photographer with a long lens approaching a rare lapwing most likely knew it was wrong and didn’t care and there was no opportunity for education.

3. Say something if you like or not. No one is making you confront others if you’re not comfortable with it.

Linda Williams
Springfield, MO
Winona, MO


On Jun 8, 2024, at 9:02 AM, Margy Terpstra <0000061a61e5f423-dmarc-request...> wrote:

Edge,

Thank you for starting this discussion. I would like to add a few comments being a birder/photographer myself.

Twenty-one years ago, I started documenting birds here in our yard with a digital camera. This followed documenting a record Varied Thrush with a barely passable colored pencil drawing. So, I stand or sit quite still for long periods and just try to blend in. Sixteen years ago, my life Black-billed Cuckoo landed on a branch about seven feet from me. All I could do was breathe and not blink so I could take in the moment, and that stunning bright red orbital ring!

Birds have landed on my hat numerous times, a titmouse landed on my shoulder, went under my hat and tucked a safflower seed into my turtleneck to retrieve later. Carolina wrens have bounced all around me and under my chair, curiously looking up at me and going about their business. They make me giggle. Adult birds bring their fledglings to the bubbler area and leave them for me to watch. The birds know it’s a safe place.

Like many, I’ve flushed birds inadvertently, not realizing I was too close to its ‘aura’ or ‘comfort zone’. So, my ‘mantra’ became, “Minimal Disturbance”. We work together quickly in the garden and come back to the deck or inside to allow the birds to go about foraging, bathing or whatever they need to do throughout our yard’s habitat.

Every time a bird has to change its behavior, it uses precious energy. Birds need to come first in our thoughts as we bird or photograph.


Margy Terpstra
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On Jun 8, 2024, at 6:33 AM, sgg.bluesfan <sgg.bluesfan...> wrote:

When it comes to getting too close to a bird whether for identification or a great picture we all should be aware that flushing the bird benefits no one including the bird. We all probably have done that. Not meaning to but if Edge's post makes us pause first then it is well worth it.

Thanks,
Steve Griffaw
<Sgg.bluesfan...>
Jefferson City MO



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-------- Original message --------
From: Marge Lumpe <margelumpe...>
Date: 6/8/24 6:07 AM (GMT-06:00)
To: <MOBIRDS-L...>
Subject: Re: Discussion of Bird Photography Predicament

As always, Edge, well said.
Marge

On Fri, Jun 7, 2024 at 9:56 PM Edge Wade <1edgewade...><mailto:<1edgewade...>> wrote:
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Stephanie,
I cannot tell if your response is in well-intended humor or a sarcastic response because you were offended by my post.

I do want to stress that nowhere in the article, nor in my presentation of it is it suggested that when saying something the speaker is to admonish the photographer.

Rather, the intent of speaking is to alert and educate. That is, to explain to those who are not aware that there is a "comfort zone" for various bird species and how violating that comfort zone can cause the bird to change behavior, for example, leave a productive feeding area during migration, or delay feeding hungry young or even abandon a nest with eggs or young in it.

It is hoped that once a person understands how deleterious getting too close to a bird (with or without a camera) a respectful distance will be maintained.

Repeating the closing paragraph of the initial message: This uncomfortable situation...can be a more pleasant relationship with a little thought, education and mutual respect. Let's work on it!

Edge Wade
Columbia, MO
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Date: 6/8/24 11:54 am
From: Linda Williams <000005261ef93d0e-dmarc-request...>
Subject: Re: Discussion of Bird Photography Predicament
Spot on, Margy! Sometimes the birds come to you and the only thing you should do is remain quiet and non-intrusive. You may or may not get a photo but you’ll have a fun experience.

As for Noppadol and other professional photographers, they have many tricks they use to get great photos without disturbing wildlife such as blinds and remote-trigger cameras and exceptional equipment and I know Noppadol spends many hours and even days being patient for the right shot with minimal disruption. If you disturb your subject, you’re not going to get the shot.

I’ve been accused of getting too close with a camera for a sensitive species based solely on the photo but you couldn’t tell from the photo that the bird was at least 50 yards away and I was in my car using a long lens with an extender and the photo was heavily cropped.

1. Don’t think you know the circumstances just looking at a photo.

2. The original article was only one uncommon example where other people were present. Birders as well as bird photographers as well as walkers who are not wildlife watching can intentionally or unintentionally flush an animal. The bird photographer with a long lens approaching a rare lapwing most likely knew it was wrong and didn’t care and there was no opportunity for education.

3. Say something if you like or not. No one is making you confront others if you’re not comfortable with it.

Linda Williams
Springfield, MO
Winona, MO


> On Jun 8, 2024, at 9:02 AM, Margy Terpstra <0000061a61e5f423-dmarc-request...> wrote:
>
> Edge,
>
> Thank you for starting this discussion. I would like to add a few comments being a birder/photographer myself.
>
> Twenty-one years ago, I started documenting birds here in our yard with a digital camera. This followed documenting a record Varied Thrush with a barely passable colored pencil drawing. So, I stand or sit quite still for long periods and just try to blend in. Sixteen years ago, my life Black-billed Cuckoo landed on a branch about seven feet from me. All I could do was breathe and not blink so I could take in the moment, and that stunning bright red orbital ring!
>
> Birds have landed on my hat numerous times, a titmouse landed on my shoulder, went under my hat and tucked a safflower seed into my turtleneck to retrieve later. Carolina wrens have bounced all around me and under my chair, curiously looking up at me and going about their business. They make me giggle. Adult birds bring their fledglings to the bubbler area and leave them for me to watch. The birds know it’s a safe place.
>
> Like many, I’ve flushed birds inadvertently, not realizing I was too close to its ‘aura’ or ‘comfort zone’. So, my ‘mantra’ became, “Minimal Disturbance”. We work together quickly in the garden and come back to the deck or inside to allow the birds to go about foraging, bathing or whatever they need to do throughout our yard’s habitat.
>
> Every time a bird has to change its behavior, it uses precious energy. Birds need to come first in our thoughts as we bird or photograph.
>
>
> Margy Terpstra
> <ladybirdterp...> <mailto:<ladybirdterp...>
> Kirkwood, St. Louis CO, MO
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>> On Jun 8, 2024, at 6:33 AM, sgg.bluesfan <sgg.bluesfan...> wrote:
>>
>> When it comes to getting too close to a bird whether for identification or a great picture we all should be aware that flushing the bird benefits no one including the bird. We all probably have done that. Not meaning to but if Edge's post makes us pause first then it is well worth it.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Steve Griffaw
>> <Sgg.bluesfan...>
>> Jefferson City MO
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S21+ 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone
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>>
>> -------- Original message --------
>> From: Marge Lumpe <margelumpe...>
>> Date: 6/8/24 6:07 AM (GMT-06:00)
>> To: <MOBIRDS-L...>
>> Subject: Re: Discussion of Bird Photography Predicament
>>
>> As always, Edge, well said.
>> Marge
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 7, 2024 at 9:56 PM Edge Wade <1edgewade...> <mailto:<1edgewade...>> wrote:
>>> WARNING: This message has originated from an External Source. This may be a phishing expedition that can result in unauthorized access to our IT System. Please use proper judgment and caution when opening attachments, clicking links, or responding to this email.
>>> Stephanie,
>>> I cannot tell if your response is in well-intended humor or a sarcastic response because you were offended by my post.
>>>
>>> I do want to stress that nowhere in the article, nor in my presentation of it is it suggested that when saying something the speaker is to admonish the photographer.
>>>
>>> Rather, the intent of speaking is to alert and educate. That is, to explain to those who are not aware that there is a "comfort zone" for various bird species and how violating that comfort zone can cause the bird to change behavior, for example, leave a productive feeding area during migration, or delay feeding hungry young or even abandon a nest with eggs or young in it.
>>>
>>> It is hoped that once a person understands how deleterious getting too close to a bird (with or without a camera) a respectful distance will be maintained.
>>>
>>> Repeating the closing paragraph of the initial message: This uncomfortable situation...can be a more pleasant relationship with a little thought, education and mutual respect. Let's work on it!
>>>
>>> Edge Wade
>>> Columbia, MO
>>> <1edgewade...> <mailto:<1edgewade...>
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>>>
>>>
>>>
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Date: 6/8/24 11:54 am
From: Jean Ellen Whatley <jeanellenwhatley...>
Subject: Re: Discussion of Bird Photography Predicament
Precisely how I feel. Well said, Janis and nod to Edge for opening up an
important conversation.

On Sat, Jun 8, 2024 at 12:00 PM Janis Valdes <janis.lee.valdes...>
wrote:

> Edge, thanks so much for sharing this article & opening the discussion -
> it’s so important!
>
> I think many recall a snowy owl at Riverlands a couple of falls ago. The
> Audubon Center had to quickly figure out how to control crowds of viewers &
> photographers. I went, viewed the bird for a few minutes & wanted to get
> out of there - it didn’t seem like a good situation for the bird at all.
> Just too many people of any kind.
>
> I feel strongly that no matter how rare a bird may be in an area, I am not
> entitled to see it.
> I can try to view it, if I can follow procedures that keep the bird safe &
> healthy. According to the ABA, vagrants don’t have a good chance of
> survival in far-flung places they may end up. I do not want to contribute
> to the stress of that bird already in unfamiliar habitat.
>
> And yes - I do understand how beautiful the birds are & the challenge of
> capturing them in photos. I’m always grateful to see great images of birds
> - & even more so when I know that my bird photographer friends have been
> scrupulous in their methods.
>
> As Edge says - let’s work on this.
>
> Janis
>
> On Fri, Jun 7, 2024 at 7:24 AM Edge Wade <1edgewade...> wrote:
>
>> WARNING: This message has originated from an External Source. This may
>> be a phishing expedition that can result in unauthorized access to our IT
>> System. Please use proper judgment and caution when opening attachments,
>> clicking links, or responding to this email.
>> Mobirders,
>> I am forwarding the article below which appears in the June 2024 Birding
>> Community eBulletin, written by Paul Baicich and Wayne Peterson.
>>
>> The article describes the situation well, contains points to consider,
>> and advocates an action: saying something.
>>
>> This uncomfortable situation among birders, bird photographers, and
>> photographers who take photos of birds as objects (yes, there is a
>> difference) can be a more pleasant relationship with a little thought,
>> education, and mutual respect. Let's work on it!
>>
>> Edge Wade, President
>> Missouri Birding Society
>>
>>
>> TIP OF THE MONTH: SAY SOMETHING
>>
>> Our “Tip of the Month” feature has been infrequent, appearing only
>> occasionally and not since January of last year, when we described “Goose
>> Checking”: https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fconta.cc%2F3Cmx1zk&data=05%7C02%<7CMOBIRDS-L...>%7C084f93f5cc0042e4fcf308dc87ec284f%7Ce3fefdbef7e9401ba51a355e01b05a89%7C0%7C0%7C638534696131795250%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=S3zMCOXev%2B%2BJIDRF5JCyR%2B%2B4DweGrgys2nABImc5ryk%3D&reserved=0
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>>
>>
>>
>> Your editors will endeavor to include this feature with greater frequency
>> in the future, but probably not monthly.
>>
>>
>>
>> This month’s tip was prompted by one of our long-term readers who flew in
>> April from St. Louis, Missouri, to the Lower Rio Grande Valley, Texas, to
>> see the rare Southern Lapwing that remained for about a week at the Llano
>> Grande Golf Course in Mercedes. We reported on the positive “Access”
>> experience for that bird last month: https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fconta.cc%2F4afNNOW&data=05%7C02%<7CMOBIRDS-L...>%7C084f93f5cc0042e4fcf308dc87ec284f%7Ce3fefdbef7e9401ba51a355e01b05a89%7C0%7C0%7C638534696131795250%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=ozVZk6zqJJzNHdwhxBhw4vj6Ch50uAK4rmP8j72eR3g%3D&reserved=0
>> <https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fjxdb7zgab.cc.rs6.net%2Ftn.jsp%3Ff%3D001xH-7kEht6sD_ia2FGV26DK3Gz2Y6hjNHQQqU8SZF3NmMLYyyNUUQN9R2PUARk-E6eq0wlbYTj_PpvMY6GoEi_SiyAMoDlrgighIjmv9-o6-MOLr8X675OBNt974Hi2hEe4styK0oJWdLq8870bLXRQ%3D%3D%26c%3DbRjptIauRRPv3KYmaMjBuptacMixEXC_0bnDWR3wGoiWUUPhoMbY6Q%3D%3D%26ch%3DjcdtLoy6CrVfkbS3jd-qNi6tQWB5b1KKDn0VDcOzOifzl02Drvl4Pg%3D%3D&data=05%7C02%<7CMOBIRDS-L...>%7C084f93f5cc0042e4fcf308dc87ec284f%7Ce3fefdbef7e9401ba51a355e01b05a89%7C0%7C0%7C638534696131795250%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=pWcXOna6TFTWguMoGSphRF9ga83%2F5HM43dJMieODqpk%3D&reserved=0>
>>
>>
>>
>> But not everything was happy with that event. While access at the golf
>> course was wonderfully accommodating and available, the bird ultimately
>> departed, disappointing multiple arriving birders. This was almost
>> certainly because of the behavior of one unnamed photographer.
>>
>>
>>
>> The Southern Lapwing had only mildly reacted to golfers and birders (in
>> or out of golf carts) in the general area where the bird preferred to feed.
>> The lapwing’s typical response was to walk a short distance from any
>> "intruders" and then return to continue feeding.
>>
>>
>>
>> But one photographer, even with a long-lens, walked toward the Southern
>> Lapwing within nine yards of the bird. The lapwing rose into the air, took
>> off, and was last seen flying into the distance. And that was that!
>>
>>
>>
>> Alas, the activity of some ignorant and/or uncaring bird photographers
>> pursuing birds too closely has been a matter of concern and an irritant to
>> many birders for years. One might think that the wonder of improved
>> photographic equipment would decrease the occurrence of birder/photographer
>> conflicts, but some folks have insisted that the very opposite is the case!
>>
>>
>>
>> Perhaps, they argue, the number and degree of disturbances have increased
>> with the availability of better cameras and the increasing popularity of
>> bird photography.
>>
>> What to do?
>>
>> First, let’s try to agree on at least six things:
>>
>> 1 Birding and bird-photography have become intertwined. Where one
>> activity ends and the other begins is often impossible to discern. So, it’s
>> increasingly less of a “them versus us” experience.
>>
>> 2 Some bird photographers are basically in pursuit of quality, and
>> almost artistic, photographs; others are more interested in “documenting” a
>> bird’s presence. Both desires are legitimate.
>>
>> 3 There is an expectation that “rarities” must be “documented,” and we
>> can all benefit from that objective.
>>
>> 4 In the “old days” of bird photography, it was expensive to pursue the
>> pastime – developing the print or slide – while now hundreds of shots can
>> be taken without any additional impact on the pocketbook. That has real
>> consequences.
>>
>> 5 The resultant “instant gratification” might engender a satisfaction
>> with a single fine shot, but the experience often prompts the quest for an
>> “even better one.”
>>
>> 6 After all the changes in the birding and photography scene are
>> examined, we should conclude that we all need to get along better and
>> pursue more creative ways to share the experience.
>>
>>
>>
>> If birders and birder/photographers find that an individual photographer
>> is not practicing a respectful distance when it comes to the bird (or other
>> people interested in the bird), it’s appropriate, and some may say
>> incumbent, to say something.
>>
>>
>>
>> Now, that doesn’t always mean that the response to such a request is
>> wholly satisfying, prompting compliance. It may be huffy, angry, or abrupt.
>> But it’s better to make a request than to grumble quietly to yourself or to
>> complain later to others.
>>
>>
>>
>> There is also the additional option – especially when responses from the
>> offender are unsatisfying – to let the managers or owners of the site
>> (e.g., refuge, park, sewage-treatment plant, or a household feeding
>> station) that appropriate standards should be established and enforced.
>>
>>
>>
>> Yes, “saying something” is essential, but we also realize that this issue
>> will not magically “go away.” Stay tuned.
>>
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Date: 6/8/24 10:49 am
From: James Hickner <hickner...>
Subject: Re: Discussion of Bird Photography Predicament
I see why I don't see an e-bird report of Snowy Owl anymore unless it's reported in an undisclosed location. I guess we learned a lesson. I think Snowy Owl should be considered a sensitive species. 
Jim Hickner <hickner...>

On Saturday, June 8, 2024 at 12:22:35 PM CDT, Maureen Thomas-Murphy <drmabuce...> wrote:

Stephanie,I am sure that no one would require you to say something if you do not feel comfortable doing so.  It's not taking photos that poses the problem; it's a disregard for the birds themselves as fellow living creatures.
I certainly cannot enjoy birds or nature when those around me, thinking only of their own agenda, fail to respect the bird's needs.  
Maureen Thomas-MurphySt Louis

On Saturday, June 8, 2024 at 09:39:38 AM CDT, Stephanie <birdsmo...> wrote:

WARNING: This message has originated from an External Source. This may be a phishing expedition that can result in unauthorized access to our IT System. Please use proper judgment and caution when opening attachments, clicking links, or responding to this email.

The concept that it is our duty to confront a person for what we
perceive is wrong doing is a bad precedent to set.

By that standard we must all immediately contact Jim Rathert and
Noppadol Paothong and inform them of their evil deeds.

It truly sounds silly ordering people to confront other people.

That is not what enjoying the birds and nature is all about.


Stephanie Becket
Maplewood, Mo.





>
>
>
>
>
>
> dge Wade wrote:
>> WARNING: This message has originated from an External Source. This
>> may be a phishing expedition that can result in unauthorized access
>> to our IT System. Please use proper judgment and caution when opening
>> attachments, clicking links, or responding to this email.
>> Mobirders,
>> I am forwarding the article below which appears in the June 2024
>> Birding Community eBulletin, written by Paul Baicich and Wayne Peterson.
>>
>> The article describes the situation well, contains points to
>> consider, and advocates an action:  saying something.
>> This uncomfortable situation among birders, bird photographers, and
>> photographers who take photos of birds as objects (yes, there is a
>> difference) can be a more pleasant  relationship with a little
>> thought, education, and mutual respect.  Let's work on it!
>>
>> Edge Wade, President
>> Missouri Birding Society
>>
>>
>> TIP OF THE MONTH: SAY SOMETHING
>>
>> Our “Tip of the Month” feature has been infrequent, appearing only
>> occasionally and not since January of last year, when we described
>> “Goose Checking”:  https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fconta.cc%2F3Cmx1zk&data=05%7C02%<7Cmobirds-l...>%7C7d91da9c2dd44a44797008dc87e2dfbf%7Ce3fefdbef7e9401ba51a355e01b05a89%7C0%7C0%7C638534657258212622%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C60000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=a0UXswH17gyKpjwg72LK%2FKyrUjcP5bxGhFqmlUKaE9Y%3D&reserved=0
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Your editors will endeavor to include this feature with greater
>> frequency in the future, but probably not monthly.
>>
>>
>>
>> This month’s tip was prompted by one of our long-term readers who
>> flew in April from St. Louis, Missouri, to the Lower Rio Grande
>> Valley, Texas, to see the rare Southern Lapwing that remained for
>> about a week at the Llano Grande Golf Course in Mercedes. We reported
>> on the positive “Access” experience for that bird last month:
>> https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fconta.cc%2F4afNNOW&data=05%7C02%<7Cmobirds-l...>%7C7d91da9c2dd44a44797008dc87e2dfbf%7Ce3fefdbef7e9401ba51a355e01b05a89%7C0%7C0%7C638534657258369046%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C60000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=aZRFWHh7sf%2FF84ogihWIEaHwVx4fUUsmrXRogdUmKvE%3D&reserved=0
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>> But not everything was happy with that event. While access at the
>> golf course was wonderfully accommodating and available, the bird
>> ultimately departed, disappointing multiple arriving birders. This
>> was almost certainly because of the behavior of one unnamed
>> photographer.
>>
>>
>>
>> The Southern Lapwing had only mildly reacted to golfers and birders
>> (in or out of golf carts) in the general area where the bird
>> preferred to feed. The lapwing’s typical response was to walk a short
>> distance from any "intruders" and then return to continue feeding.
>>
>>
>>
>> But one photographer, even with a long-lens, walked toward the
>> Southern Lapwing within nine yards of the bird. The lapwing rose into
>> the air, took off, and was last seen flying into the distance. And
>> that was that!
>>
>>
>>
>> Alas, the activity of some ignorant and/or uncaring bird
>> photographers pursuing birds too closely has been a matter of concern
>> and an irritant to many birders for years. One might think that the
>> wonder of improved photographic equipment would decrease the
>> occurrence of birder/photographer conflicts, but some folks have
>> insisted that the very opposite is the case!
>>
>>
>>
>> Perhaps, they argue, the number and degree of disturbances have
>> increased with the availability of better cameras and the increasing
>> popularity of bird photography.
>>
>> What to do?
>>
>>  First, let’s try to agree on at least six things:
>>
>> 1 Birding and bird-photography have become intertwined. Where one
>> activity ends and the other begins is often impossible to discern.
>> So, it’s increasingly less of a “them versus us” experience.
>>
>> 2  Some bird photographers are basically in pursuit of quality, and
>> almost artistic, photographs; others are more interested in
>> “documenting” a bird’s presence. Both desires are legitimate.
>>
>> 3  There is an expectation that “rarities” must be “documented,” and
>> we can all benefit from that objective.
>>
>> 4  In the “old days” of bird photography, it was expensive to pursue
>> the pastime – developing the print or slide – while now hundreds of
>> shots can be taken without any additional impact on the pocketbook.
>> That has real consequences.
>>
>> 5  The resultant “instant gratification” might engender a
>> satisfaction with a single fine shot, but the experience often
>> prompts the quest for an “even better one.”
>> 6  After all the changes in the birding and photography scene are
>> examined, we should conclude that we all need to get along better and
>> pursue more creative ways to share the experience.
>>
>>
>>
>> If birders and birder/photographers find that an individual
>> photographer is not practicing a respectful distance when it comes to
>> the bird (or other people interested in the bird), it’s appropriate,
>> and some may say incumbent, to say something.
>>
>>
>>
>> Now, that doesn’t always mean that the response to such a request is
>> wholly satisfying, prompting compliance. It may be huffy, angry, or
>> abrupt. But it’s better to make a request than to grumble quietly to
>> yourself or to complain later to others.
>>
>>
>>
>> There is also the additional option – especially when responses from
>> the offender are unsatisfying – to let the managers or owners of the
>> site (e.g., refuge, park, sewage-treatment plant, or a household
>> feeding station) that appropriate standards should be established and
>> enforced.
>>
>>
>>
>> Yes, “saying something” is essential, but we also realize that this
>> issue will not magically “go away.” Stay tuned.
>>
>> *The Missouri Birding Society's Wild Bird Discussion Forum*
>> Archives <https://po.missouri.edu/scripts/wa.exe?A0=MOBIRDS-L> /
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Date: 6/8/24 10:22 am
From: Maureen Thomas-Murphy <drmabuce...>
Subject: Re: Discussion of Bird Photography Predicament
Stephanie,I am sure that no one would require you to say something if you do not feel comfortable doing so.  It's not taking photos that poses the problem; it's a disregard for the birds themselves as fellow living creatures.
I certainly cannot enjoy birds or nature when those around me, thinking only of their own agenda, fail to respect the bird's needs.  
Maureen Thomas-MurphySt Louis

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The concept that it is our duty to confront a person for what we
perceive is wrong doing is a bad precedent to set.

By that standard we must all immediately contact Jim Rathert and
Noppadol Paothong and inform them of their evil deeds.

It truly sounds silly ordering people to confront other people.

That is not what enjoying the birds and nature is all about.


Stephanie Becket
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>> This uncomfortable situation among birders, bird photographers, and
>> photographers who take photos of birds as objects (yes, there is a
>> difference) can be a more pleasant  relationship with a little
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>> But not everything was happy with that event. While access at the
>> golf course was wonderfully accommodating and available, the bird
>> ultimately departed, disappointing multiple arriving birders. This
>> was almost certainly because of the behavior of one unnamed
>> photographer.
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>> The Southern Lapwing had only mildly reacted to golfers and birders
>> (in or out of golf carts) in the general area where the bird
>> preferred to feed. The lapwing’s typical response was to walk a short
>> distance from any "intruders" and then return to continue feeding.
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>> But one photographer, even with a long-lens, walked toward the
>> Southern Lapwing within nine yards of the bird. The lapwing rose into
>> the air, took off, and was last seen flying into the distance. And
>> that was that!
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>> Alas, the activity of some ignorant and/or uncaring bird
>> photographers pursuing birds too closely has been a matter of concern
>> and an irritant to many birders for years. One might think that the
>> wonder of improved photographic equipment would decrease the
>> occurrence of birder/photographer conflicts, but some folks have
>> insisted that the very opposite is the case!
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>> increased with the availability of better cameras and the increasing
>> popularity of bird photography.
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>> activity ends and the other begins is often impossible to discern.
>> So, it’s increasingly less of a “them versus us” experience.
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>> 2  Some bird photographers are basically in pursuit of quality, and
>> almost artistic, photographs; others are more interested in
>> “documenting” a bird’s presence. Both desires are legitimate.
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>> we can all benefit from that objective.
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>> 4  In the “old days” of bird photography, it was expensive to pursue
>> the pastime – developing the print or slide – while now hundreds of
>> shots can be taken without any additional impact on the pocketbook.
>> That has real consequences.
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>> satisfaction with a single fine shot, but the experience often
>> prompts the quest for an “even better one.”
>> 6  After all the changes in the birding and photography scene are
>> examined, we should conclude that we all need to get along better and
>> pursue more creative ways to share the experience.
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>> If birders and birder/photographers find that an individual
>> photographer is not practicing a respectful distance when it comes to
>> the bird (or other people interested in the bird), it’s appropriate,
>> and some may say incumbent, to say something.
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>> wholly satisfying, prompting compliance. It may be huffy, angry, or
>> abrupt. But it’s better to make a request than to grumble quietly to
>> yourself or to complain later to others.
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>> the offender are unsatisfying – to let the managers or owners of the
>> site (e.g., refuge, park, sewage-treatment plant, or a household
>> feeding station) that appropriate standards should be established and
>> enforced.
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>> issue will not magically “go away.” Stay tuned.
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Date: 6/8/24 10:00 am
From: Janis Valdes <janis.lee.valdes...>
Subject: Re: Discussion of Bird Photography Predicament
Edge, thanks so much for sharing this article & opening the discussion -
it’s so important!

I think many recall a snowy owl at Riverlands a couple of falls ago. The
Audubon Center had to quickly figure out how to control crowds of viewers &
photographers. I went, viewed the bird for a few minutes & wanted to get
out of there - it didn’t seem like a good situation for the bird at all.
Just too many people of any kind.

I feel strongly that no matter how rare a bird may be in an area, I am not
entitled to see it.
I can try to view it, if I can follow procedures that keep the bird safe &
healthy. According to the ABA, vagrants don’t have a good chance of
survival in far-flung places they may end up. I do not want to contribute
to the stress of that bird already in unfamiliar habitat.

And yes - I do understand how beautiful the birds are & the challenge of
capturing them in photos. I’m always grateful to see great images of birds
- & even more so when I know that my bird photographer friends have been
scrupulous in their methods.

As Edge says - let’s work on this.

Janis

On Fri, Jun 7, 2024 at 7:24 AM Edge Wade <1edgewade...> wrote:

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> I am forwarding the article below which appears in the June 2024 Birding
> Community eBulletin, written by Paul Baicich and Wayne Peterson.
>
> The article describes the situation well, contains points to consider, and
> advocates an action: saying something.
>
> This uncomfortable situation among birders, bird photographers, and
> photographers who take photos of birds as objects (yes, there is a
> difference) can be a more pleasant relationship with a little thought,
> education, and mutual respect. Let's work on it!
>
> Edge Wade, President
> Missouri Birding Society
>
>
> TIP OF THE MONTH: SAY SOMETHING
>
> Our “Tip of the Month” feature has been infrequent, appearing only
> occasionally and not since January of last year, when we described “Goose
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> Your editors will endeavor to include this feature with greater frequency
> in the future, but probably not monthly.
>
>
>
> This month’s tip was prompted by one of our long-term readers who flew in
> April from St. Louis, Missouri, to the Lower Rio Grande Valley, Texas, to
> see the rare Southern Lapwing that remained for about a week at the Llano
> Grande Golf Course in Mercedes. We reported on the positive “Access”
> experience for that bird last month: https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fconta.cc%2F4afNNOW&data=05%7C02%<7CMOBIRDS-L...>%7Cb8aca96246a04779b4ac08dc87dc4bf4%7Ce3fefdbef7e9401ba51a355e01b05a89%7C0%7C0%7C638534628190107423%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=pPDCyOIUsIS0gDo3WOHvZ1UYAtFlKLCSeWNIrkr1f3Q%3D&reserved=0
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>
>
> But not everything was happy with that event. While access at the golf
> course was wonderfully accommodating and available, the bird ultimately
> departed, disappointing multiple arriving birders. This was almost
> certainly because of the behavior of one unnamed photographer.
>
>
>
> The Southern Lapwing had only mildly reacted to golfers and birders (in or
> out of golf carts) in the general area where the bird preferred to feed.
> The lapwing’s typical response was to walk a short distance from any
> "intruders" and then return to continue feeding.
>
>
>
> But one photographer, even with a long-lens, walked toward the Southern
> Lapwing within nine yards of the bird. The lapwing rose into the air, took
> off, and was last seen flying into the distance. And that was that!
>
>
>
> Alas, the activity of some ignorant and/or uncaring bird photographers
> pursuing birds too closely has been a matter of concern and an irritant to
> many birders for years. One might think that the wonder of improved
> photographic equipment would decrease the occurrence of birder/photographer
> conflicts, but some folks have insisted that the very opposite is the case!
>
>
>
> Perhaps, they argue, the number and degree of disturbances have increased
> with the availability of better cameras and the increasing popularity of
> bird photography.
>
> What to do?
>
> First, let’s try to agree on at least six things:
>
> 1 Birding and bird-photography have become intertwined. Where one activity
> ends and the other begins is often impossible to discern. So, it’s
> increasingly less of a “them versus us” experience.
>
> 2 Some bird photographers are basically in pursuit of quality, and almost
> artistic, photographs; others are more interested in “documenting” a bird’s
> presence. Both desires are legitimate.
>
> 3 There is an expectation that “rarities” must be “documented,” and we
> can all benefit from that objective.
>
> 4 In the “old days” of bird photography, it was expensive to pursue the
> pastime – developing the print or slide – while now hundreds of shots can
> be taken without any additional impact on the pocketbook. That has real
> consequences.
>
> 5 The resultant “instant gratification” might engender a satisfaction
> with a single fine shot, but the experience often prompts the quest for an
> “even better one.”
>
> 6 After all the changes in the birding and photography scene are
> examined, we should conclude that we all need to get along better and
> pursue more creative ways to share the experience.
>
>
>
> If birders and birder/photographers find that an individual photographer
> is not practicing a respectful distance when it comes to the bird (or other
> people interested in the bird), it’s appropriate, and some may say
> incumbent, to say something.
>
>
>
> Now, that doesn’t always mean that the response to such a request is
> wholly satisfying, prompting compliance. It may be huffy, angry, or abrupt.
> But it’s better to make a request than to grumble quietly to yourself or to
> complain later to others.
>
>
>
> There is also the additional option – especially when responses from the
> offender are unsatisfying – to let the managers or owners of the site
> (e.g., refuge, park, sewage-treatment plant, or a household feeding
> station) that appropriate standards should be established and enforced.
>
>
>
> Yes, “saying something” is essential, but we also realize that this issue
> will not magically “go away.” Stay tuned.
>
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Date: 6/8/24 7:39 am
From: Stephanie <birdsmo...>
Subject: Re: Discussion of Bird Photography Predicament
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The concept that it is our duty to confront a person for what we
perceive is wrong doing is a bad precedent to set.

By that standard we must all immediately contact Jim Rathert and
Noppadol Paothong and inform them of their evil deeds.

It truly sounds silly ordering people to confront other people.

That is not what enjoying the birds and nature is all about.


Stephanie Becket
Maplewood, Mo.





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> dge Wade wrote:
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>> Mobirders,
>> I am forwarding the article below which appears in the June 2024
>> Birding Community eBulletin, written by Paul Baicich and Wayne Peterson.
>>
>> The article describes the situation well, contains points to
>> consider, and advocates an action: saying something.
>> This uncomfortable situation among birders, bird photographers, and
>> photographers who take photos of birds as objects (yes, there is a
>> difference) can be a more pleasant relationship with a little
>> thought, education, and mutual respect. Let's work on it!
>>
>> Edge Wade, President
>> Missouri Birding Society
>>
>>
>> TIP OF THE MONTH: SAY SOMETHING
>>
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>>
>>
>> Your editors will endeavor to include this feature with greater
>> frequency in the future, but probably not monthly.
>>
>>
>>
>> This month’s tip was prompted by one of our long-term readers who
>> flew in April from St. Louis, Missouri, to the Lower Rio Grande
>> Valley, Texas, to see the rare Southern Lapwing that remained for
>> about a week at the Llano Grande Golf Course in Mercedes. We reported
>> on the positive “Access” experience for that bird last month:
>> https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fconta.cc%2F4afNNOW&data=05%7C02%<7CMOBIRDS-L...>%7C2b574f888948499053a008dc87c87d32%7Ce3fefdbef7e9401ba51a355e01b05a89%7C0%7C0%7C638534543636545217%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C60000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=87sFRlQTinyeDWGvv8O1cRb4jxfD5blzyRxjpuz5%2FRg%3D&reserved=0
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>>
>>
>>
>> But not everything was happy with that event. While access at the
>> golf course was wonderfully accommodating and available, the bird
>> ultimately departed, disappointing multiple arriving birders. This
>> was almost certainly because of the behavior of one unnamed
>> photographer.
>>
>>
>>
>> The Southern Lapwing had only mildly reacted to golfers and birders
>> (in or out of golf carts) in the general area where the bird
>> preferred to feed. The lapwing’s typical response was to walk a short
>> distance from any "intruders" and then return to continue feeding.
>>
>>
>>
>> But one photographer, even with a long-lens, walked toward the
>> Southern Lapwing within nine yards of the bird. The lapwing rose into
>> the air, took off, and was last seen flying into the distance. And
>> that was that!
>>
>>
>>
>> Alas, the activity of some ignorant and/or uncaring bird
>> photographers pursuing birds too closely has been a matter of concern
>> and an irritant to many birders for years. One might think that the
>> wonder of improved photographic equipment would decrease the
>> occurrence of birder/photographer conflicts, but some folks have
>> insisted that the very opposite is the case!
>>
>>
>>
>> Perhaps, they argue, the number and degree of disturbances have
>> increased with the availability of better cameras and the increasing
>> popularity of bird photography.
>>
>> What to do?
>>
>> First, let’s try to agree on at least six things:
>>
>> 1 Birding and bird-photography have become intertwined. Where one
>> activity ends and the other begins is often impossible to discern.
>> So, it’s increasingly less of a “them versus us” experience.
>>
>> 2 Some bird photographers are basically in pursuit of quality, and
>> almost artistic, photographs; others are more interested in
>> “documenting” a bird’s presence. Both desires are legitimate.
>>
>> 3 There is an expectation that “rarities” must be “documented,” and
>> we can all benefit from that objective.
>>
>> 4 In the “old days” of bird photography, it was expensive to pursue
>> the pastime – developing the print or slide – while now hundreds of
>> shots can be taken without any additional impact on the pocketbook.
>> That has real consequences.
>>
>> 5 The resultant “instant gratification” might engender a
>> satisfaction with a single fine shot, but the experience often
>> prompts the quest for an “even better one.”
>> 6 After all the changes in the birding and photography scene are
>> examined, we should conclude that we all need to get along better and
>> pursue more creative ways to share the experience.
>>
>>
>>
>> If birders and birder/photographers find that an individual
>> photographer is not practicing a respectful distance when it comes to
>> the bird (or other people interested in the bird), it’s appropriate,
>> and some may say incumbent, to say something.
>>
>>
>>
>> Now, that doesn’t always mean that the response to such a request is
>> wholly satisfying, prompting compliance. It may be huffy, angry, or
>> abrupt. But it’s better to make a request than to grumble quietly to
>> yourself or to complain later to others.
>>
>>
>>
>> There is also the additional option – especially when responses from
>> the offender are unsatisfying – to let the managers or owners of the
>> site (e.g., refuge, park, sewage-treatment plant, or a household
>> feeding station) that appropriate standards should be established and
>> enforced.
>>
>>
>>
>> Yes, “saying something” is essential, but we also realize that this
>> issue will not magically “go away.” Stay tuned.
>>
>> *The Missouri Birding Society's Wild Bird Discussion Forum*
>> Archives <https://po.missouri.edu/scripts/wa.exe?A0=MOBIRDS-L> /
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>>
>
>
>

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Date: 6/8/24 7:03 am
From: Margy Terpstra <0000061a61e5f423-dmarc-request...>
Subject: Re: Discussion of Bird Photography Predicament
Edge,

Thank you for starting this discussion. I would like to add a few comments being a birder/photographer myself.

Twenty-one years ago, I started documenting birds here in our yard with a digital camera. This followed documenting a record Varied Thrush with a barely passable colored pencil drawing. So, I stand or sit quite still for long periods and just try to blend in. Sixteen years ago, my life Black-billed Cuckoo landed on a branch about seven feet from me. All I could do was breathe and not blink so I could take in the moment, and that stunning bright red orbital ring!

Birds have landed on my hat numerous times, a titmouse landed on my shoulder, went under my hat and tucked a safflower seed into my turtleneck to retrieve later. Carolina wrens have bounced all around me and under my chair, curiously looking up at me and going about their business. They make me giggle. Adult birds bring their fledglings to the bubbler area and leave them for me to watch. The birds know it’s a safe place.

Like many, I’ve flushed birds inadvertently, not realizing I was too close to its ‘aura’ or ‘comfort zone’. So, my ‘mantra’ became, “Minimal Disturbance”. We work together quickly in the garden and come back to the deck or inside to allow the birds to go about foraging, bathing or whatever they need to do throughout our yard’s habitat.

Every time a bird has to change its behavior, it uses precious energy. Birds need to come first in our thoughts as we bird or photograph.


Margy Terpstra
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> When it comes to getting too close to a bird whether for identification or a great picture we all should be aware that flushing the bird benefits no one including the bird. We all probably have done that. Not meaning to but if Edge's post makes us pause first then it is well worth it.
>
> Thanks,
> Steve Griffaw
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> Subject: Re: Discussion of Bird Photography Predicament
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> As always, Edge, well said.
> Marge
>
> On Fri, Jun 7, 2024 at 9:56 PM Edge Wade <1edgewade...> <mailto:<1edgewade...>> wrote:
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>> I cannot tell if your response is in well-intended humor or a sarcastic response because you were offended by my post.
>>
>> I do want to stress that nowhere in the article, nor in my presentation of it is it suggested that when saying something the speaker is to admonish the photographer.
>>
>> Rather, the intent of speaking is to alert and educate. That is, to explain to those who are not aware that there is a "comfort zone" for various bird species and how violating that comfort zone can cause the bird to change behavior, for example, leave a productive feeding area during migration, or delay feeding hungry young or even abandon a nest with eggs or young in it.
>>
>> It is hoped that once a person understands how deleterious getting too close to a bird (with or without a camera) a respectful distance will be maintained.
>>
>> Repeating the closing paragraph of the initial message: This uncomfortable situation...can be a more pleasant relationship with a little thought, education and mutual respect. Let's work on it!
>>
>> Edge Wade
>> Columbia, MO
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Date: 6/8/24 4:33 am
From: sgg.bluesfan <sgg.bluesfan...>
Subject: Re: Discussion of Bird Photography Predicament
When it comes to getting too close to a bird whether for identification or a great picture we all should be aware that flushing the bird benefits no one including the bird.  We all probably have done that.  Not meaning to but if Edge's post makes us pause first then it is well worth it.Thanks,Steve Griffaw <Sgg.bluesfan...> Jefferson  City MOSent via the Samsung Galaxy S21+ 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone
-------- Original message --------From: Marge Lumpe <margelumpe...> Date: 6/8/24 6:07 AM (GMT-06:00) To: <MOBIRDS-L...> Subject: Re: Discussion of Bird Photography Predicament As always, Edge, well said.MargeOn Fri, Jun 7, 2024 at 9:56 PM Edge Wade <1edgewade...> wrote:





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Stephanie,
I cannot tell if your response is in well-intended humor or a sarcastic response because you were offended by my post.


I do want to stress that nowhere in the article, nor in my presentation of it is it suggested that when saying something the speaker is to admonish the photographer.


Rather, the intent of speaking is to alert and educate.  That is, to explain to those who are not aware that there is a "comfort zone" for various bird species and how violating that comfort zone can cause
the bird to change behavior, for example, leave a productive feeding area during migration, or delay feeding hungry young or even abandon a nest with eggs or young in it.


It is hoped that once a person understands how deleterious getting too close to a bird (with or without a camera) a respectful distance will be maintained.


Repeating the closing paragraph of the initial message:  This uncomfortable situation...can be a more pleasant relationship with a little thought, education and mutual respect.  Let's work on it!



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Date: 6/8/24 4:07 am
From: Marge Lumpe <margelumpe...>
Subject: Re: Discussion of Bird Photography Predicament
As always, Edge, well said.
Marge

On Fri, Jun 7, 2024 at 9:56 PM Edge Wade <1edgewade...> wrote:

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> Stephanie,
> I cannot tell if your response is in well-intended humor or a sarcastic
> response because you were offended by my post.
>
> I do want to stress that nowhere in the article, nor in my presentation of
> it is it suggested that when saying something the speaker is to admonish
> the photographer.
>
> Rather, the intent of speaking is to alert and educate. That is, to
> explain to those who are not aware that there is a "comfort zone" for
> various bird species and how violating that comfort zone can cause the bird
> to change behavior, for example, leave a productive feeding area during
> migration, or delay feeding hungry young or even abandon a nest with eggs
> or young in it.
>
> It is hoped that once a person understands how deleterious getting too
> close to a bird (with or without a camera) a respectful distance will be
> maintained.
>
> Repeating the closing paragraph of the initial message: This
> uncomfortable situation...can be a more pleasant relationship with a little
> thought, education and mutual respect. Let's work on it!
>
> Edge Wade
> Columbia, MO
> <1edgewade...>
>
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Date: 6/8/24 3:48 am
From: Susan Eaton <susiede...>
Subject: Re: Discussion of Bird Photography Predicament
I do remember one instance , years ago in Duluth in winter, we had been
searching for Bohemian Waxwings. Finally found a little flock. Someone set
up a scope for a large group at a safe distance. Then a person with a
camera (with a substantial lens) kept walking up closer and closer and the
birds flew away.

I don’t have a camera like that though I occasionally get a decent photo
with what I have. But here’s what I have realized: when I see a bird, if I
grab my camera first, I may not get a decent photo anyway AND I might miss
the chance to get a good look with my binoculars! So I try to remind myself
to look with bins first; then, if the bird is still there, try to get a
photo…. From a distance.

Susan Eaton
<Susiede...>
STL CO MO

On Sat, Jun 8, 2024 at 2:04 AM Lisa Saffell <lesfstl...> wrote:

> Edge,
> I am so happy to see someone bringing this subject up. As a birder who
> came to birding through photography I have become increasingly disheartened
> by the actions of some.
>
> Social media and the desire to get a better photo than everyone else, I
> feel, is partly to blame. Social media is a double edged sword. It brings
> awareness but it also brings competition.
>
> Some people crave the acknowledgements from others so desperately they
> will do anything to get the shot. I have seen some really stupid and
> selfish behavior in the pursuit of photos.
>
> Some people get so caught up in the moment they might not realize that
> their behavior is unacceptable.
>
> I, as do many, adore birds and love taking photos of them…….for me! I do
> share some on social media but that is not why I take photos. I would hope
> that if I ever got caught up in the moment and got too close or did
> something bordering on unethical that someone would point that out to me.
> I think it’s extremely important that we hold ourselves and others
> accountable for objectionable actions.
>
>
> “A bird does not sing because it has an answer, it sings because it has a
> song.” — Maya Angelou
>
> Lisa Saffell, St. Louis
> @instagram.com/lisasaffell
> @instagram.com/stl_birder
>
> On Jun 7, 2024, at 9:56 PM, Edge Wade <1edgewade...> wrote:
>
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> Stephanie,
> I cannot tell if your response is in well-intended humor or a sarcastic
> response because you were offended by my post.
>
> I do want to stress that nowhere in the article, nor in my presentation of
> it is it suggested that when saying something the speaker is to admonish
> the photographer.
>
> Rather, the intent of speaking is to alert and educate. That is, to
> explain to those who are not aware that there is a "comfort zone" for
> various bird species and how violating that comfort zone can cause the bird
> to change behavior, for example, leave a productive feeding area during
> migration, or delay feeding hungry young or even abandon a nest with eggs
> or young in it.
>
> It is hoped that once a person understands how deleterious getting too
> close to a bird (with or without a camera) a respectful distance will be
> maintained.
>
> Repeating the closing paragraph of the initial message: This
> uncomfortable situation...can be a more pleasant relationship with a little
> thought, education and mutual respect. Let's work on it!
>
> Edge Wade
> Columbia, MO
> <1edgewade...>
>
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Date: 6/7/24 11:04 pm
From: Lisa Saffell <lesfstl...>
Subject: Re: Discussion of Bird Photography Predicament
 

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Date: 6/7/24 7:56 pm
From: Edge Wade <1edgewade...>
Subject: Discussion of Bird Photography Predicament
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Stephanie,
I cannot tell if your response is in well-intended humor or a sarcastic response because you were offended by my post.

I do want to stress that nowhere in the article, nor in my presentation of it is it suggested that when saying something the speaker is to admonish the photographer.

Rather, the intent of speaking is to alert and educate. That is, to explain to those who are not aware that there is a "comfort zone" for various bird species and how violating that comfort zone can cause the bird to change behavior, for example, leave a productive feeding area during migration, or delay feeding hungry young or even abandon a nest with eggs or young in it.

It is hoped that once a person understands how deleterious getting too close to a bird (with or without a camera) a respectful distance will be maintained.

Repeating the closing paragraph of the initial message: This uncomfortable situation...can be a more pleasant relationship with a little thought, education and mutual respect. Let's work on it!

Edge Wade
Columbia, MO
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Date: 6/7/24 1:05 pm
From: Stephanie <birdsmo...>
Subject: Re: Discussion of Bird Photography Predicament
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Question.
What if a photographer is just sitting there minding their own business
and the a bird gets too close to that photographer.
Are we then supposed to admonish the bird for getting too close to the
human ?
It sounds like it is appropriate, and incumbent, to say something to
that bird.

Stephanie Becket
Maplewood, Mo.





dge Wade wrote:
> WARNING: This message has originated from an External Source. This may
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> attachments, clicking links, or responding to this email.
> Mobirders,
> I am forwarding the article below which appears in the June 2024
> Birding Community eBulletin, written by Paul Baicich and Wayne Peterson.
>
> The article describes the situation well, contains points to consider,
> and advocates an action: saying something.
>
> This uncomfortable situation among birders, bird photographers, and
> photographers who take photos of birds as objects (yes, there is a
> difference) can be a more pleasant relationship with a little
> thought, education, and mutual respect. Let's work on it!
>
> Edge Wade, President
> Missouri Birding Society
>
>
> TIP OF THE MONTH: SAY SOMETHING
>
> Our “Tip of the Month” feature has been infrequent, appearing only
> occasionally and not since January of last year, when we described
> “Goose Checking”: https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fconta.cc%2F3Cmx1zk&data=05%7C02%<7CMOBIRDS-L...>%7Cdf08c536d7844b34e62b08dc872cc270%7Ce3fefdbef7e9401ba51a355e01b05a89%7C0%7C0%7C638533874839400161%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C80000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=8x3hOKJfsNHtG4xfeca3CpcVGEqixiDuy27cHWOJ6Cg%3D&reserved=0
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>
>
>
> Your editors will endeavor to include this feature with greater
> frequency in the future, but probably not monthly.
>
>
>
> This month’s tip was prompted by one of our long-term readers who flew
> in April from St. Louis, Missouri, to the Lower Rio Grande Valley,
> Texas, to see the rare Southern Lapwing that remained for about a week
> at the Llano Grande Golf Course in Mercedes. We reported on the
> positive “Access” experience for that bird last month:
> https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fconta.cc%2F4afNNOW&data=05%7C02%<7CMOBIRDS-L...>%7Cdf08c536d7844b34e62b08dc872cc270%7Ce3fefdbef7e9401ba51a355e01b05a89%7C0%7C0%7C638533874839400161%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C80000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=YZ6iM64SwoTAYDkBuiZiXgkCYC6QNb5bqPfnNpg5zhk%3D&reserved=0
> <https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fjxdb7zgab.cc.rs6.net%2Ftn.jsp%3Ff%3D001xH-7kEht6sD_ia2FGV26DK3Gz2Y6hjNHQQqU8SZF3NmMLYyyNUUQN9R2PUARk-E6eq0wlbYTj_PpvMY6GoEi_SiyAMoDlrgighIjmv9-o6-MOLr8X675OBNt974Hi2hEe4styK0oJWdLq8870bLXRQ%3D%3D%26c%3DbRjptIauRRPv3KYmaMjBuptacMixEXC_0bnDWR3wGoiWUUPhoMbY6Q%3D%3D%26ch%3DjcdtLoy6CrVfkbS3jd-qNi6tQWB5b1KKDn0VDcOzOifzl02Drvl4Pg%3D%3D&data=05%7C02%<7CMOBIRDS-L...>%7Cdf08c536d7844b34e62b08dc872cc270%7Ce3fefdbef7e9401ba51a355e01b05a89%7C0%7C0%7C638533874839400161%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C80000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=2%2FDlRC%2F5S%2BvwSb5j07kjvy0EBFm0dFgYuFxxe4e%2FtfI%3D&reserved=0>
>
>
>
> But not everything was happy with that event. While access at the golf
> course was wonderfully accommodating and available, the bird
> ultimately departed, disappointing multiple arriving birders. This was
> almost certainly because of the behavior of one unnamed photographer.
>
>
>
> The Southern Lapwing had only mildly reacted to golfers and birders
> (in or out of golf carts) in the general area where the bird preferred
> to feed. The lapwing’s typical response was to walk a short distance
> from any "intruders" and then return to continue feeding.
>
>
>
> But one photographer, even with a long-lens, walked toward the
> Southern Lapwing within nine yards of the bird. The lapwing rose into
> the air, took off, and was last seen flying into the distance. And
> that was that!
>
>
>
> Alas, the activity of some ignorant and/or uncaring bird photographers
> pursuing birds too closely has been a matter of concern and an
> irritant to many birders for years. One might think that the wonder of
> improved photographic equipment would decrease the occurrence of
> birder/photographer conflicts, but some folks have insisted that the
> very opposite is the case!
>
>
>
> Perhaps, they argue, the number and degree of disturbances have
> increased with the availability of better cameras and the increasing
> popularity of bird photography.
>
> What to do?
>
> First, let’s try to agree on at least six things:
>
> 1 Birding and bird-photography have become intertwined. Where one
> activity ends and the other begins is often impossible to discern. So,
> it’s increasingly less of a “them versus us” experience.
>
> 2 Some bird photographers are basically in pursuit of quality, and
> almost artistic, photographs; others are more interested in
> “documenting” a bird’s presence. Both desires are legitimate.
>
> 3 There is an expectation that “rarities” must be “documented,” and
> we can all benefit from that objective.
>
> 4 In the “old days” of bird photography, it was expensive to pursue
> the pastime – developing the print or slide – while now hundreds of
> shots can be taken without any additional impact on the pocketbook.
> That has real consequences.
>
> 5 The resultant “instant gratification” might engender a satisfaction
> with a single fine shot, but the experience often prompts the quest
> for an “even better one.”
>
> 6 After all the changes in the birding and photography scene are
> examined, we should conclude that we all need to get along better and
> pursue more creative ways to share the experience.
>
>
>
> If birders and birder/photographers find that an individual
> photographer is not practicing a respectful distance when it comes to
> the bird (or other people interested in the bird), it’s appropriate,
> and some may say incumbent, to say something.
>
>
>
> Now, that doesn’t always mean that the response to such a request is
> wholly satisfying, prompting compliance. It may be huffy, angry, or
> abrupt. But it’s better to make a request than to grumble quietly to
> yourself or to complain later to others.
>
>
>
> There is also the additional option – especially when responses from
> the offender are unsatisfying – to let the managers or owners of the
> site (e.g., refuge, park, sewage-treatment plant, or a household
> feeding station) that appropriate standards should be established and
> enforced.
>
>
>
> Yes, “saying something” is essential, but we also realize that this
> issue will not magically “go away.” Stay tuned.
>
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Date: 6/7/24 12:44 pm
From: Edge Wade <1edgewade...>
Subject: Missouri Bluebird Society Annual Conference
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Mobirders,

The MBS June eNews was missing a very important announcement with a registration deadline.

The 2024 Missouri Bluebird Conference July 12-14th, 2024
On the campus of Hannibal-LaGrange University
2800 Palmyra Rd., Hannibal MO 63401
Registration deadline: June 28, 2024

The weekend will feature workshops and educational programs, field trips to surrounding nature trails, a silent auction/raffle, the Friday evening "Bluebird Banquet", and Saturday evening social.

There is no specific host hotel, but many lodging options are available.

For additional information and link to registration, see:
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Date: 6/7/24 5:23 am
From: Edge Wade <1edgewade...>
Subject: Discussion of Bird Photography Predicament
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Mobirders,
I am forwarding the article below which appears in the June 2024 Birding Community eBulletin, written by Paul Baicich and Wayne Peterson.

The article describes the situation well, contains points to consider, and advocates an action: saying something.

This uncomfortable situation among birders, bird photographers, and photographers who take photos of birds as objects (yes, there is a difference) can be a more pleasant relationship with a little thought, education, and mutual respect. Let's work on it!

Edge Wade, President
Missouri Birding Society



TIP OF THE MONTH: SAY SOMETHING

Our “Tip of the Month” feature has been infrequent, appearing only occasionally and not since January of last year, when we described “Goose Checking”: https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fconta.cc%2F3Cmx1zk&data=05%7C02%<7CMOBIRDS-L...>%7C8667ee0175ec4a42c85f08dc86eca620%7Ce3fefdbef7e9401ba51a355e01b05a89%7C0%7C0%7C638533598159624238%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=AE3sEDzqG0XgWV27DUTvjl1pkA%2BqjkDBP6LpUMVUMds%3D&reserved=0<https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fjxdb7zgab.cc.rs6.net%2Ftn.jsp%3Ff%3D001xH-7kEht6sD_ia2FGV26DK3Gz2Y6hjNHQQqU8SZF3NmMLYyyNUUQNwhweoqlSNCiWSrdPZZGSLCAOHO4WnFu8w53WFqPKP7hXEksYcir0TAWLlM5TvdKBef53_SP3Gfum21yR0_x3ISVwF4PFWGgog%3D%3D%26c%3DbRjptIauRRPv3KYmaMjBuptacMixEXC_0bnDWR3wGoiWUUPhoMbY6Q%3D%3D%26ch%3DjcdtLoy6CrVfkbS3jd-qNi6tQWB5b1KKDn0VDcOzOifzl02Drvl4Pg%3D%3D&data=05%7C02%<7CMOBIRDS-L...>%7C8667ee0175ec4a42c85f08dc86eca620%7Ce3fefdbef7e9401ba51a355e01b05a89%7C0%7C0%7C638533598159624238%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=QM1UapKEC5XvNt6c2Doi1N%2Bgb6SS%2B1DPds8ugndnk5o%3D&reserved=0>



Your editors will endeavor to include this feature with greater frequency in the future, but probably not monthly.



This month’s tip was prompted by one of our long-term readers who flew in April from St. Louis, Missouri, to the Lower Rio Grande Valley, Texas, to see the rare Southern Lapwing that remained for about a week at the Llano Grande Golf Course in Mercedes. We reported on the positive “Access” experience for that bird last month: https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fconta.cc%2F4afNNOW&data=05%7C02%<7CMOBIRDS-L...>%7C8667ee0175ec4a42c85f08dc86eca620%7Ce3fefdbef7e9401ba51a355e01b05a89%7C0%7C0%7C638533598159624238%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=6LBPEgIDVqdfr79q5%2BJRQdDJUXS67VTWLr5z4IGMk2k%3D&reserved=0<https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fjxdb7zgab.cc.rs6.net%2Ftn.jsp%3Ff%3D001xH-7kEht6sD_ia2FGV26DK3Gz2Y6hjNHQQqU8SZF3NmMLYyyNUUQN9R2PUARk-E6eq0wlbYTj_PpvMY6GoEi_SiyAMoDlrgighIjmv9-o6-MOLr8X675OBNt974Hi2hEe4styK0oJWdLq8870bLXRQ%3D%3D%26c%3DbRjptIauRRPv3KYmaMjBuptacMixEXC_0bnDWR3wGoiWUUPhoMbY6Q%3D%3D%26ch%3DjcdtLoy6CrVfkbS3jd-qNi6tQWB5b1KKDn0VDcOzOifzl02Drvl4Pg%3D%3D&data=05%7C02%<7CMOBIRDS-L...>%7C8667ee0175ec4a42c85f08dc86eca620%7Ce3fefdbef7e9401ba51a355e01b05a89%7C0%7C0%7C638533598159780520%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=3%2BwjOOu2unfQ8kYyPcXNVB4W4dNQdJwAP%2BVithvrSGo%3D&reserved=0>



But not everything was happy with that event. While access at the golf course was wonderfully accommodating and available, the bird ultimately departed, disappointing multiple arriving birders. This was almost certainly because of the behavior of one unnamed photographer.



The Southern Lapwing had only mildly reacted to golfers and birders (in or out of golf carts) in the general area where the bird preferred to feed. The lapwing’s typical response was to walk a short distance from any "intruders" and then return to continue feeding.



But one photographer, even with a long-lens, walked toward the Southern Lapwing within nine yards of the bird. The lapwing rose into the air, took off, and was last seen flying into the distance. And that was that!



Alas, the activity of some ignorant and/or uncaring bird photographers pursuing birds too closely has been a matter of concern and an irritant to many birders for years. One might think that the wonder of improved photographic equipment would decrease the occurrence of birder/photographer conflicts, but some folks have insisted that the very opposite is the case!



Perhaps, they argue, the number and degree of disturbances have increased with the availability of better cameras and the increasing popularity of bird photography.

What to do?

First, let’s try to agree on at least six things:

1 Birding and bird-photography have become intertwined. Where one activity ends and the other begins is often impossible to discern. So, it’s increasingly less of a “them versus us” experience.

2 Some bird photographers are basically in pursuit of quality, and almost artistic, photographs; others are more interested in “documenting” a bird’s presence. Both desires are legitimate.

3 There is an expectation that “rarities” must be “documented,” and we can all benefit from that objective.

4 In the “old days” of bird photography, it was expensive to pursue the pastime – developing the print or slide – while now hundreds of shots can be taken without any additional impact on the pocketbook. That has real consequences.

5 The resultant “instant gratification” might engender a satisfaction with a single fine shot, but the experience often prompts the quest for an “even better one.”

6 After all the changes in the birding and photography scene are examined, we should conclude that we all need to get along better and pursue more creative ways to share the experience.



If birders and birder/photographers find that an individual photographer is not practicing a respectful distance when it comes to the bird (or other people interested in the bird), it’s appropriate, and some may say incumbent, to say something.



Now, that doesn’t always mean that the response to such a request is wholly satisfying, prompting compliance. It may be huffy, angry, or abrupt. But it’s better to make a request than to grumble quietly to yourself or to complain later to others.



There is also the additional option – especially when responses from the offender are unsatisfying – to let the managers or owners of the site (e.g., refuge, park, sewage-treatment plant, or a household feeding station) that appropriate standards should be established and enforced.



Yes, “saying something” is essential, but we also realize that this issue will not magically “go away.” Stay tuned.

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MBS Fall Meeting: October 4-6, 2024 at Three Trails Camp and Retreat Center, Independence, MO.
Details and registration: https://mobirds.org/MBS/NextMeeting.aspx

 

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Date: 6/5/24 6:07 pm
From: Edge Wade <1edgewade...>
Subject: Birding with a Purpose--a couple reports
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Today I went to Shoemaker CA, Adair Co., to bird there in a week with no eBird checklists submitted. I added several birds to my list for the area, and a new bird for Adair County for me: A surprise Northern Waterthrush.

I thought that was pretty good. Then I got an email from Tom Nagel, who went to Bilby Ranch Lake CA, Nodaway Co. today to fill in that blank week. Among the birds he found were 3 willow flycatchers, 15 sedge wrens, 10 grasshopper Sparrows, 7 Henslow's Sparrows, and several Northern Bobwhites and Ring-necked Pheasants.

There are some great birds out there waiting to be spotted this week at several sites with no reports for the first week of June:
Morris Prairie CA, Putnam Co.
Dark Hollow Natural Area, Sullivan Co.
Stockton Lake & SP, Cedar Co.
Shelton Memorial CA, Dade Co.

Go find a zootie!

Edge Wade
Columbia, MO
<1edgewade...><mailto:<1edgewade...>









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Date: 6/5/24 9:28 am
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Subject: Error on ebird alert
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My mistake on Sandhill Crane report for June 1.

This is not a current observation. I incorrectly dated it.

Was building life list with an old observation I failed to enter this one when I first started ebird.

I have corrected this entry.

I apologize for my error.

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Date: 6/4/24 7:15 pm
From: David Becher <davidbecher...>
Subject: WGNSS Birding 6/6 and 6/8On
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On Thursday, we will meet at the Lost Valley Hiking Trail at Weldon Springs CA a 8 am.

On Saturday, we will meet at the Weldon Springs Site on Highway 94 in the parking lot west of the museum at 8 am.

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Date: 6/3/24 10:51 am
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Subject: Mississippi Kites at 3M Wetlands, Columbia
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The group birding 3M today, led by Lottie Bushmann, counted 27 Mississippi Kites circling in a single kettle near the lower pond. We watched several perched and sometimes carrying willow branches, but dropping them seemingly intentionally.

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Date: 6/2/24 1:01 am
From: Paul Roisen <roisenp1950...>
Subject: Re: No sighting: My thoughts on immigrants
Well expressed, Deepa. Though I do bemone the abundance of some invasive
species, it is what it is and so we soldier on. As to immigrants, this
also touches my heart. Contrary to many in our country I believe that most
immigrants come here to better their lives. There are always, of course,
the usual suspects that should be excluded from our country however, I
believe this to be true of a great number of ugly and evil individuals
whose ancestors have been here for many generations who should also be
exclude from our country for their horrific behaviors towards individuals,
groups, and even our government. I often wonder how many of the hate
filled "Americans" who decry having people enter our country may have come
from families where one or more of their ancestors skirted the law to get
here. Our country was built on immigrants as well as through hostile
interaction with those who first inhabited this great land. We often
forget how to share our blessings.

God Bless.
*Paul O. Roisen*
*Woodbury County, IA*
*Mobile 712-301-2817*


On Sun, Jun 2, 2024 at 2:45 AM Deepa Mohan <mohandeepa...> wrote:

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> clicking links, or responding to this email.
> Hello, everyone, from Seattle
>
> Since my daughter (who lived with her family in St Louis for 18 years, and
> then moved to Bangalore, India, from 2016 to 2023) is now living in this
> beautiful city of the Pacific Northwest, I have come to visit her, and my
> beloved grandchildren.
>
> Right in the middle of a family outing to the waterfront attractions in
> downtown Seattle, I watched a heartwarming and touching moment between two
> immigrants.
>
> Immigrants are those who arrive at foreign shores and then adapt to the
> place they have come to, and try not only to survive, but to thrive. In
> this process, they are sometimes so successful that they are reviled by
> those already living in that place...for no fault of theirs!
>
> Well, if you click on the video link, you can see how one immigrant mother
> makes sure that the next generation is fed well and raised to become an
> adult in its own right. Oh, ok, if you don't have the time for that, I
> have included photos of the immigrant mother and child....and another
> immigrant, by itself.
>
> Wondering what my thoughts about immigrants have to do with the natural
> world?
>
> I am talking about the House Sparrow, which is not native to North
> America. An introduced species, it has adapted so well to conditions in its
> new home, that over the passage of years, it is now considered a pest in
> America!
>
>
> https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.gettingmoreontheground.com%2F2023%2F03%2F06%2Finvasive-species-spotlight-house-sparrow%2F&data=05%7C02%<7CMOBIRDS-L...>%7C9a09baa02cb645c2e8fe08dc82da0ce8%7Ce3fefdbef7e9401ba51a355e01b05a89%7C0%7C0%7C638529120723010650%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=z3QVyb9tlhUoVBFKnTfr5avhg65OJEVWWJtvcT0BROg%3D&reserved=0
> <https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.gettingmoreontheground.com%2F2023%2F03%2F06%2Finvasive-species-spotlight-house-sparrow%2F&data=05%7C02%<7CMOBIRDS-L...>%7C9a09baa02cb645c2e8fe08dc82da0ce8%7Ce3fefdbef7e9401ba51a355e01b05a89%7C0%7C0%7C638529120723010650%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=z3QVyb9tlhUoVBFKnTfr5avhg65OJEVWWJtvcT0BROg%3D&reserved=0>
>
> In Forest Park in St Louis, Missouri, where I spent a lot of time birding,
> I once came across a notice that said that the nests and eggs of the
> European Starlings (in India we know them as Common Starlings) should be
> destroyed. Though I agree that both these birds seem to be overrunning the
> populations of native birds, I was dismayed to see this, and wrote to the
> administration of the park, mentioning that these birds were immigrants,
> just like the majority of the population of America is...and that having
> one rule for themselves and another for other immigrants (particularly
> those which had no say in the matter!) Yes, the notice was removed!
>
> European Starlings were introduced in 1890, by a well-meaning Shakespeare
> lover, who wanted all the birds of Shakespeare to live in America:
>
> https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fread.dukeupress.edu%2Fenvironmental-humanities%2Farticle%2F13%2F2%2F301%2F234995%2F&data=05%7C02%<7CMOBIRDS-L...>%7C9a09baa02cb645c2e8fe08dc82da0ce8%7Ce3fefdbef7e9401ba51a355e01b05a89%7C0%7C0%7C638529120723010650%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=l589yz73053AgRUxdZjD0yO8Cv8HhYjd9yc0uOt9ngw%3D&reserved=0
> <https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fread.dukeupress.edu%2Fenvironmental-humanities%2Farticle%2F13%2F2%2F301%2F234995%2F&data=05%7C02%<7CMOBIRDS-L...>%7C9a09baa02cb645c2e8fe08dc82da0ce8%7Ce3fefdbef7e9401ba51a355e01b05a89%7C0%7C0%7C638529120723010650%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=l589yz73053AgRUxdZjD0yO8Cv8HhYjd9yc0uOt9ngw%3D&reserved=0>
>
> "On March 6, 1890, a wealthy socialite named Eugene Schieffelin released
> one hundred common starlings (Sturnus vulgaris) into Central Park in New
> York City. The release was part of Schieffelin’s decidedly eccentric effort
> to introduce to the United States all the birds mentioned in Shakespeare’s
> works. Although most of his imports died out, the starlings flourished—only
> to become one of the most destructive invasive species in North America.
> They can now be found across the continent, outcompeting native birds and
> doing hundreds of millions of dollars worth of annual damage to American
> agriculture."
>
> The article whose link I give below, says, in part:
>
> "Officially, the European Starling is designated as an invasive alien
> species in North America. But they didn't just land here mysteriously; they
> were introduced in 1890 by a well-meaning Shakespeare enthusiast. We
> invited starlings here to the U.S., and now we lament how these birds hurt
> our ecosystem and our economy."
>
> (Link to this article:
> https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.allaboutbirds.org%2Fnews%2Fessay-are-starlings-really-invasive-aliens%2F&data=05%7C02%<7CMOBIRDS-L...>%7C9a09baa02cb645c2e8fe08dc82da0ce8%7Ce3fefdbef7e9401ba51a355e01b05a89%7C0%7C0%7C638529120723010650%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=xXB5xuWmv1%2BRyPYjUjsW%2BND6%2FNA4kf6UWksHObtkdb8%3D&reserved=0
> <https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.allaboutbirds.org%2Fnews%2Fessay-are-starlings-really-invasive-aliens%2F&data=05%7C02%<7CMOBIRDS-L...>%7C9a09baa02cb645c2e8fe08dc82da0ce8%7Ce3fefdbef7e9401ba51a355e01b05a89%7C0%7C0%7C638529120723010650%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=xXB5xuWmv1%2BRyPYjUjsW%2BND6%2FNA4kf6UWksHObtkdb8%3D&reserved=0>
> )
>
> Ah...to get back to the delightful short video:
> https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fyoutu.be%2FJfp3t-IlVOY%3Fsi%3DW6KYLQRQ4khuAdsC&data=05%7C02%<7CMOBIRDS-L...>%7C9a09baa02cb645c2e8fe08dc82da0ce8%7Ce3fefdbef7e9401ba51a355e01b05a89%7C0%7C0%7C638529120723166799%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=mdx1lXNbBajjP6XwoUco9sZtRSuDQTIss8zShyKMasU%3D&reserved=0
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>
> As the mother of a first-generation immigrant to America, who is now
> bringing up her children here, this resonated with me on a level deeper
> than that of watching bird behaviour!
>
> Cheers, Deepa.
>
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Date: 6/2/24 12:45 am
From: Deepa Mohan <mohandeepa...>
Subject: No sighting: My thoughts on immigrants
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Hello, everyone, from Seattle

Since my daughter (who lived with her family in St Louis for 18 years, and then moved to Bangalore, India, from 2016 to 2023) is now living in this beautiful city of the Pacific Northwest, I have come to visit her, and my beloved grandchildren.

Right in the middle of a family outing to the waterfront attractions in downtown Seattle, I watched a heartwarming and touching moment between two immigrants.

Immigrants are those who arrive at foreign shores and then adapt to the place they have come to, and try not only to survive, but to thrive. In this process, they are sometimes so successful that they are reviled by those already living in that place...for no fault of theirs!

Well, if you click on the video link, you can see how one immigrant mother makes sure that the next generation is fed well and raised to become an adult in its own right. Oh, ok, if you don't have the time for that, I have included photos of the immigrant mother and child....and another immigrant, by itself.

Wondering what my thoughts about immigrants have to do with the natural world?

I am talking about the House Sparrow, which is not native to North America. An introduced species, it has adapted so well to conditions in its new home, that over the passage of years, it is now considered a pest in America!

https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.gettingmoreontheground.com%2F2023%2F03%2F06%2Finvasive-species-spotlight-house-sparrow%2F&data=05%7C02%<7CMOBIRDS-L...>%7C07f8a91947b44d083e2108dc82d7cdc3%7Ce3fefdbef7e9401ba51a355e01b05a89%7C0%7C0%7C638529110582352648%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=xn3oyqg8RxMcUfxJ6HfBXxfImwN4QoPRQcv4bKAntXM%3D&reserved=0

In Forest Park in St Louis, Missouri, where I spent a lot of time birding, I once came across a notice that said that the nests and eggs of the European Starlings (in India we know them as Common Starlings) should be destroyed. Though I agree that both these birds seem to be overrunning the populations of native birds, I was dismayed to see this, and wrote to the administration of the park, mentioning that these birds were immigrants, just like the majority of the population of America is...and that having one rule for themselves and another for other immigrants (particularly those which had no say in the matter!) Yes, the notice was removed!

European Starlings were introduced in 1890, by a well-meaning Shakespeare lover, who wanted all the birds of Shakespeare to live in America:
https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fread.dukeupress.edu%2Fenvironmental-humanities%2Farticle%2F13%2F2%2F301%2F234995%2F&data=05%7C02%<7CMOBIRDS-L...>%7C07f8a91947b44d083e2108dc82d7cdc3%7Ce3fefdbef7e9401ba51a355e01b05a89%7C0%7C0%7C638529110582352648%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=SUxByEHlPffd%2Bsfg7nlfZZ43HgzVi8a%2BjWF9cxcREjE%3D&reserved=0

"On March 6, 1890, a wealthy socialite named Eugene Schieffelin released one hundred common starlings (Sturnus vulgaris) into Central Park in New York City. The release was part of Schieffelin’s decidedly eccentric effort to introduce to the United States all the birds mentioned in Shakespeare’s works. Although most of his imports died out, the starlings flourished—only to become one of the most destructive invasive species in North America. They can now be found across the continent, outcompeting native birds and doing hundreds of millions of dollars worth of annual damage to American agriculture."

The article whose link I give below, says, in part:

"Officially, the European Starling is designated as an invasive alien species in North America. But they didn't just land here mysteriously; they were introduced in 1890 by a well-meaning Shakespeare enthusiast. We invited starlings here to the U.S., and now we lament how these birds hurt our ecosystem and our economy."

(Link to this article: https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.allaboutbirds.org%2Fnews%2Fessay-are-starlings-really-invasive-aliens%2F&data=05%7C02%<7CMOBIRDS-L...>%7C07f8a91947b44d083e2108dc82d7cdc3%7Ce3fefdbef7e9401ba51a355e01b05a89%7C0%7C0%7C638529110582352648%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=3YRfiywr%2BUnrMws6qVe5OG7KeWgyh%2Fl4DGIcIZ%2FqGoo%3D&reserved=0 )

Ah...to get back to the delightful short video:
https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fyoutu.be%2FJfp3t-IlVOY%3Fsi%3DW6KYLQRQ4khuAdsC&data=05%7C02%<7CMOBIRDS-L...>%7C07f8a91947b44d083e2108dc82d7cdc3%7Ce3fefdbef7e9401ba51a355e01b05a89%7C0%7C0%7C638529110582352648%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=byq4Y3X5DALhFI9IVxKtVMGLF54FGBsp%2FhwojW6W4qI%3D&reserved=0

As the mother of a first-generation immigrant to America, who is now bringing up her children here, this resonated with me on a level deeper than that of watching bird behaviour!

Cheers, Deepa.

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Date: 5/31/24 2:31 pm
From: Lanny Chambers <lannychambers...>
Subject: Re: Altered Feeding Behavior
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I've noticed the absence of the same birds, plus Northern Mockingbirds, at a large White Mulberry that's currently dropping ripe fruit onto our lawn. In previous years, all those birds would be plucking ripe berries from the tree--I've seen up to four species in the tree at the same time. My wife saw one robin visit, about thtree weeks ago, before the yard was full of cicadas. It may still be a bit early, but robin fledglings typically forage for dropped mulberries in the grass as well, but I have not seen a single chick so far this spring.

All of those bird species are still seen regularly in the neighborhood, so it's probably not the noise... ;-)

Lanny Chambers
Fenton, MO

> On May 31, 2024, at 15:16, Daniel Getman <000002b3a133f539-dmarc-request...> wrote:
>
> 2) we have 2 serviceberry trees currently loaded with ripe berries - normally they get eaten as soon as they ripen. Usual visitors are cedar waxwings, robins, gray catbirds, and brown thrashers. This past week I’ve briefly seen one pair of cedar waxwings and one robin feeding.

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Date: 5/31/24 1:16 pm
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Subject: Altered Feeding Behavior
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In our yard, with lots of trees, we have quite a few cicadas, but it doesn’t seem as bad as some have reported. It’s worse in other parts of Kirksville.

But I’ve noticed several altered feeding behaviors;
1) normally the grackles are regular visitors to our feeders and I frequently have to fill the peanut feeder - not this year. I’m also not seeing many woodpeckers feeding there either

2) we have 2 serviceberry trees currently loaded with ripe berries - normally they get eaten as soon as they ripen. Usual visitors are cedar waxwings, robins, gray catbirds, and brown thrashers. This past week I’ve briefly seen one pair of cedar waxwings and one robin feeding.

3) as I reported before, I’m seeing hardly any baltimore orioles and the grape jelly feeder rarely needs filling - very unusual

4) we’re also seeing lots of butterflies, which may mean the birds are not eating as many of their caterpillars, but that’s speculation

As of last Monday May 27, the Great Crested Flycatchers had 6 eggs in their nestbox and no more today. Cornell Ornithology says they typically lay 4-8 eggs, then 13-15 days incubation and 13-15 to fledge. So I should start to see them bringing in food in about 2 weeks. I wonder if it will include cicadas?

I’ve been meaning to check the nearby Purple Martins gourds to see if they’re bringing in cicadas to their nestlings. Anybody seen purple martins with cicadas? I often see them with dragonflies.

Dan Getman, Kirksville, northeast MO

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Date: 5/31/24 12:53 pm
From: Edge Wade <1edgewade...>
Subject: Passing of two MBS members
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It is with much sadness that I report the deaths of two ASM/MBS members this month.

Dolores Clark of Columbia died May 14, 2024; Larry Olpin of Warrensburg died May 24.

Both were members well before I joined. They each contributed to the society and to birding in Missouri in many positive ways.

Among many other activities, Dolores managed the cabin assignments, check in and check out at the Camp Clover Point ASM Fall Meetings for many years.

Larry in recent years was a frequent member of the surveys at Knob Noster SP.

I last birded with Larry the afternoon of August 25, 2022, aboard St. Somewhere, Doug White's motorized sailboat, on a successful quest to see the Limpkin feeding along the shore of Lake Jacomo.

Edge Wade, President
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Date: 5/30/24 8:59 am
From: KELLY ORMESHER <kbormesher...>
Subject: Re: Attn: eBirders: Birding with a purpose
Hi Edge,

Id be happy to bird Stockton Lake SP next week.

Kelly Ormesher
Greenfield, MO

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Im working on the final report for the 2023-24 SPARKS contract period to be submitted to the Missouri Department of Natural Resources, Division of State Parks. The report will be available for viewing on the Missouri Birding Society website after submission. Funds earned in this contract are used by MBS to finance partnership grants in education and habitat development.



Ive noted that over the course of several years we have now submitted full year surveys (that is at least one birding visit to the site for each week of the year) for 21 parks. An additional 26 parks lack fewer than 10 visits to fill in blank weeks and complete the bar chart for all weeks in the year.



Ill be posting heads up messages to Mobirds to alert birders to parks that birding in a particular week would bring us closer to completing year-round data in one of these 26 parks with fewer than 10 blank weeks.



There are two among the 26 with blank weeks in June:

Stockton Lake & SP, Cedar Co.: June week 1 (thats next week!)

Lake Wappapello SP, Wayne Co.: June weeks 3 and 4.



Parks with blank weeks in July are:

Harry S Truman Reservoir and SP, Benton Co., July week 1

St. Joe SP, St. Francois Co., July week 1

Katy Trail, Columbia, Boone Co., July week 1 and 2

Big Lake SP, Holt Co.: July week 2

Meramec SP, Franklin Co.: July week 2

Wallace SP, Clinton Co.: July week 2

Don Robinson SP, Jefferson Co.: July week 3



Please consider visiting one of these parks in the weeks missing data.



Edge Wade

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Columbia, MO

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Date: 5/30/24 8:02 am
From: Edge Wade <1edgewade...>
Subject: Attn: eBirders: Birding with a purpose
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I’m working on the final report for the 2023-24 SPARKS contract period to be submitted to the Missouri Department of Natural Resources, Division of State Parks. The report will be available for viewing on the Missouri Birding Society website after submission. Funds earned in this contract are used by MBS to finance partnership grants in education and habitat development.

I’ve noted that over the course of several years we have now submitted full year surveys (that is at least one birding visit to the site for each week of the year) for 21 parks. An additional 26 parks lack fewer than 10 visits to fill in blank weeks and complete the bar chart for all weeks in the year.

I’ll be posting “heads up” messages to Mobirds to alert birders to parks that birding in a particular week would bring us closer to completing year-round data in one of these 26 parks with fewer than 10 blank weeks.

There are two among the 26 with blank weeks in June:
Stockton Lake & SP, Cedar Co.: June week 1 (that’s next week!)
Lake Wappapello SP, Wayne Co.: June weeks 3 and 4.

Parks with blank weeks in July are:
Harry S Truman Reservoir and SP, Benton Co., July week 1
St. Joe SP, St. Francois Co., July week 1
Katy Trail, Columbia, Boone Co., July week 1 and 2
Big Lake SP, Holt Co.: July week 2
Meramec SP, Franklin Co.: July week 2
Wallace SP, Clinton Co.: July week 2
Don Robinson SP, Jefferson Co.: July week 3

Please consider visiting one of these parks in the weeks missing data.

Edge Wade
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Columbia, MO
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Date: 5/28/24 7:59 pm
From: David Becher <davidbecher...>
Subject: WGNSS BIrding Trips 5/30 and 6/1
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On Thursday, we will meet at the entrance parking lot at Route 66 State Park at 8 am. Bring lunch if you wish.
Note that there is no access to this area from the headquarters. To reach the parking lot if you going west on I-44, exit at Route 109 in Eureka and re-enter the highway east bound. Take the first exit (265) and follow the signs to the park.

On Saturday, we will meet at Horseshoe Lake at the headquarters at 8 am. Rain gear is probably a good precaution.

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Date: 5/27/24 4:35 pm
From: Diane Bricmont <colaptes.auratus...>
Subject: St. Charles County Shorebirds
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Continuing at Riverlands from earlier today: two Hudsonian Godwits, two Ruddy Turnstones, Black-bellied Plovers and loads of peeps. Two additional RUTU at Lincoln Shields, and a Godwit that flew before we saw enough to ID it. Also a late Snow Goose. Great birds for Birdathon! Northern Rough-winged Swallows providing backup vocals.

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STL CO

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Date: 5/27/24 12:58 pm
From: Heidi McCullough <greenheronclayworks...>
Subject: Re: Bird Street Names in West Central Missouri
In the Lee's Summit area, the south side of Raintree Lake is ALL birds.
Not sure it would be accessible for geocaching, though.

I used to enter all the subscription info for the Audubon Chapter here and
was disgusted that they have a "Surf Scooter Street." Yes, really. Also
"Seagull Street." Some cute ones, but a few that miss the mark. SW Green
Teal?

38°49'52.8"N 94°23'23.7"W

I'm in
Platte County

Heidi McCullough

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> My daughter is working on her Girl Scout Gold award. She will be
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> For example in Holden MO, there is Eagle Drive and in Harrisonville MO,
> there is Wren Street. She will provide some conservation and bird facts
> about each bird to inform geocachers about certain birds. Originally she
> would do it in conservation areas but the permitting is too strict.
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> Can anyone share their street name and town in the West Central MO area
> for consideration of placing a cache?
>
> Thanks for your help!
>
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Date: 5/27/24 12:39 pm
From: Kevin Wehner <kevinwehner...>
Subject: Re: Bird Street Names in West Central Missouri
There's an Albatross Avenue in Columbia, MO.


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Hello,
My daughter is working on her Girl Scout Gold award. She will be placing geocaches in a hidden area that has a street named after a bird. For example in Holden MO, there is Eagle Drive and in Harrisonville MO, there is Wren Street. She will provide some conservation and bird facts about each bird to inform geocachers about certain birds. Originally she would do it in conservation areas but the permitting is too strict.

Can anyone share their street name and town in the West Central MO area for consideration of placing a cache?

Thanks for your help!

--

Thank you,


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Date: 5/27/24 12:31 pm
From: Alicia Todaro <todaro...>
Subject: Bird Street Names in West Central Missouri
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Hello,
My daughter is working on her Girl Scout Gold award. She will be placing geocaches in a hidden area that has a street named after a bird. For example in Holden MO, there is Eagle Drive and in Harrisonville MO, there is Wren Street. She will provide some conservation and bird facts about each bird to inform geocachers about certain birds. Originally she would do it in conservation areas but the permitting is too strict.

Can anyone share their street name and town in the West Central MO area for consideration of placing a cache?

Thanks for your help!

--
Thank you,

Alicia Todaro
Campus Card & Student Services Manager
Elliott Student Union
511 S. Holden St Ste UN119
Warrensburg, MO 64093
Office: 660-543-8393
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Date: 5/27/24 11:25 am
From: Dianne & Steve Kinder <000000023c9fba03-dmarc-request...>
Subject: Limpkins?
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I was just wondering what happened to all the Limpkins that were all around the State the last couple of years??
Haven't seen any reports for awhile?

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Date: 5/27/24 7:01 am
From: Edge Wade <1edgewade...>
Subject: Re: Birding away from cicadas--some observations
Terry cites the legacy of Earl Butz and Wendy asks if I know why the area
(Bradford Farm) has been denuded.

As I listened to that bobwhite I, like Terry as he watched the destruction
of wildlife habitat, also thought of Earl Butz! Butz is on my list of
well-intended people whose speciocentric perspective has led us into this
era.

I'm old enough to remember Earl Butz and his advice to farmers to plow
fence row to fence row. As Jerry and I traveled through Missouri and Iowa
we watched fence rows and woodlots cleared. That coincided with the
increase in the availability and use of chemical fertilizers, insecticides
and herbicides. A three-way crop rotation with a nitrogen-bearing crop
sandwiched between corn and the increasingly popular soybean was no longer
necessary. The 1970s energy crisis (long lines at gas stations that often
had no gas for latecomers) occurred at the same time and
government-subsidized ethanol began appearing at pumps despite studies that
showed ethanol to be the result of a negative energy production process.

Farm machinery manufacturers began making larger and larger equipment that
could cover 16 rows instead of 4 on a single pass. Small family farms were
bought out by wealthier families and increasingly by corporations. Big
scale farming became the norm.

Corporations worked to find new uses for corn and soybeans in their own
labs and funded university research projects involving chemical enhanced
production, "improved" farming techniques and corn and bean uses. The
universities turned out class after class of ag school graduates steeped in
the new practices and their profitability.

Anything that reduces the amount of cultivated acreage or the bushels per
acre is anathema to this system. Wolf trees that shaded grazing cattle or
the farmer on his noontime break, undrained low areas, tree or shrub-lined
fences (and the fences, themselves) that shade out a crop row or might
harbor a crop destructive pest must be eliminated.

This is a very efficient system. We feed a lot of people at a low cost in
the short term. Bobwhites, thrashers, cardinals, and warbling vireos have
no role in this mindset, so are expendable.

Edge Wade
Columbia, MO
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On Sun, May 26, 2024 at 9:28 PM Terry McNeely <terrymcneely...>
wrote:

> Edge
>
> I totally understand your distress. My property is directly across the
> road from land once owned by J.C. Penney. It has recently sold again for
> the 4th time in 5 years.
>
> This property had brushy fence rows, a large waterway/ ditch full of
> mature cottonwood, soft maple and other soft wood trees. Several species
> utilized all of the areas. Also 3 small ponds for nesting Canada Geese,
> Wood Duck and all kinds of herptiles.
>
> I recently met the new owners (young farmers) that were excited to tell me
> " your going to love what we are going to do with this 135 acres, there
> won't be a tree on the property and we will fill in the ponds." They also
> went on to tell me that they didn't believe in weedy fields. So one can
> only imagine monoculture.
>
> Two weeks ago the big machinery showed up and now I watch the Brown
> Thrashers and Northern Cardinals fly from our brushy yard across the road
> to a few little sprouts, wondering what has happened. The Warbling Vireo no
> longer sings from the tree tops, the orioles are now lost and moving to our
> yard.
>
> I wonder if someday some of the flora might return?
>
> Earl “Rusty” Butz, secretary of the USDA under Nixon. "He envisioned a
> hyper-efficient, centralized food system, one that could profitably and
> cheaply “feed the world” by manipulating (or “adding value to”) mountains
> of Midwestern corn and soy. Patron saint of the Fast Food Nation, Butz
> lived to see his dream realized. He died in his sleep, a quiet end for a
> man whose career shook the earth, causing untold acres to succumb to the
> plow. Yet his legacy still thrives, and will not likely die as gently as
> the man."
>
> Terry McNeely
> 25843 Grate Ave
> Jameson MO
> Daviess County
> 660-663-9322
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> *Sent:* Sunday, May 26, 2024 10:18:50 AM
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> *Subject:* Birding away from cicadas--some observations
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> Yesterday I looked for respite from the din of periodic cicadas in every
> wooded area in Boone Co., and paired that desire with a similar wish to
> avoid places likely to be full of people enjoying the holiday weekend
> outdoors.
>
> So, I birded the University of Missouri agricultural research sites
> (Bradford Farm, Beef Farm and South Farm Headquarters).
>
> Recent activities at Bradford to rid the area of any trees, native
> grasses, or shrubs that might harbor vermin (and, therefore, provide food
> and shelter for species formerly found there such a Northern Harrier,
> Short-eared Owl, Northern Shrike) made Bradford a sure bet for no cicada
> cacophony.
>
> It was pretty quiet. European Starlings and Red-winged Blackbirds appear
> to be doing well, Dickcissels and Eastern Meadowlarks, too. Most
> species, however, were detected near the periphery of the University
> property.
>
> On the north side, near the northwest corner, stands a mulberry tree,
> saved from the saw by its trunk being across the fence on neighboring
> private property. The very unpleasant smell of some chemical (herbicide?)
> that hung over that portion of Bradford was made less offensive by the
> persistent renditions of a mockingbird hidden in the mulberry.
>
> I listened and was able to identify a half dozen songs, but I was bettered
> by Merlin, which dutifully indicated the songs I heard and those of a few I
> could confirm were not present: Carolina Wren, Scarlet Tanager, Purple
> Martin and Mallard. That's one accomplished mockingbird! [and a caveat for
> Merlin users--make sure it's not a mockingbird]
>
> On the south side, I listened to a lone Northern Bobwhite calling from a
> small pile of downed trees, surely doomed to be burned, eliminating the
> last indication of the former favorable conditions that had been preserved
> purposefully by previous managers to provide appropriate habitat for
> bobwhite (with a sign to inform the public of the commitment).
>
> The southwest corner that was a sure bet for Short-eared Owls and not so
> long ago harbored a Yellow Rail is now being tilled.
>
> I was reminded of an old GE (General Electric) TV ad series slogan:
> Progress is our most important product.
>
> And, I was saddened at the thought.
>
> Edge Wade
> Columbia, MO
> <1edgewade...>
>
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Date: 5/26/24 7:28 pm
From: Terry McNeely <terrymcneely...>
Subject: Re: Birding away from cicadas--some observations
Edge

I totally understand your distress. My property is directly across the road from land once owned by J.C. Penney. It has recently sold again for the 4th time in 5 years.

This property had brushy fence rows, a large waterway/ ditch full of mature cottonwood, soft maple and other soft wood trees. Several species utilized all of the areas. Also 3 small ponds for nesting Canada Geese, Wood Duck and all kinds of herptiles.

I recently met the new owners (young farmers) that were excited to tell me " your going to love what we are going to do with this 135 acres, there won't be a tree on the property and we will fill in the ponds." They also went on to tell me that they didn't believe in weedy fields. So one can only imagine monoculture.

Two weeks ago the big machinery showed up and now I watch the Brown Thrashers and Northern Cardinals fly from our brushy yard across the road to a few little sprouts, wondering what has happened. The Warbling Vireo no longer sings from the tree tops, the orioles are now lost and moving to our yard.

I wonder if someday some of the flora might return?

Earl Rusty Butz, secretary of the USDA under Nixon. "He envisioned a hyper-efficient, centralized food system, one that could profitably and cheaply feed the world by manipulating (or adding value to) mountains of Midwestern corn and soy. Patron saint of the Fast Food Nation, Butz lived to see his dream realized. He died in his sleep, a quiet end for a man whose career shook the earth, causing untold acres to succumb to the plow. Yet his legacy still thrives, and will not likely die as gently as the man."

Terry McNeely
25843 Grate Ave
Jameson MO
Daviess County
660-663-9322
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Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2024 10:18:50 AM
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Subject: Birding away from cicadas--some observations

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Yesterday I looked for respite from the din of periodic cicadas in every wooded area in Boone Co., and paired that desire with a similar wish to avoid places likely to be full of people enjoying the holiday weekend outdoors.

So, I birded the University of Missouri agricultural research sites (Bradford Farm, Beef Farm and South Farm Headquarters).

Recent activities at Bradford to rid the area of any trees, native grasses, or shrubs that might harbor vermin (and, therefore, provide food and shelter for species formerly found there such a Northern Harrier, Short-eared Owl, Northern Shrike) made Bradford a sure bet for no cicada cacophony.

It was pretty quiet. European Starlings and Red-winged Blackbirds appear to be doing well, Dickcissels and Eastern Meadowlarks, too. Most species, however, were detected near the periphery of the University property.

On the north side, near the northwest corner, stands a mulberry tree, saved from the saw by its trunk being across the fence on neighboring private property. The very unpleasant smell of some chemical (herbicide?) that hung over that portion of Bradford was made less offensive by the persistent renditions of a mockingbird hidden in the mulberry.

I listened and was able to identify a half dozen songs, but I was bettered by Merlin, which dutifully indicated the songs I heard and those of a few I could confirm were not present: Carolina Wren, Scarlet Tanager, Purple Martin and Mallard. That's one accomplished mockingbird! [and a caveat for Merlin users--make sure it's not a mockingbird]

On the south side, I listened to a lone Northern Bobwhite calling from a small pile of downed trees, surely doomed to be burned, eliminating the last indication of the former favorable conditions that had been preserved purposefully by previous managers to provide appropriate habitat for bobwhite (with a sign to inform the public of the commitment).

The southwest corner that was a sure bet for Short-eared Owls and not so long ago harbored a Yellow Rail is now being tilled.

I was reminded of an old GE (General Electric) TV ad series slogan: Progress is our most important product.

And, I was saddened at the thought.

Edge Wade
Columbia, MO
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Date: 5/26/24 6:59 pm
From: Tim Kavan <tkavan_76...>
Subject: Curlew Sandpiper (leading candidate) - New Madrid County
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Same field where I saw the Hudsonian Godwit and Whimbrels the previous 2 days. I'm leaning towards a curlew sandpiper on this bird for the following reasons. The beak longer then head w a hint of downward bend, big round head w eye stripe, white under parts ( I saw more white on rump through scope but didn't capture that in any photo). I watched this bird for over an hour. It remained in this position for 99% of that time tucking it's head in and stretching it's leg on occasion. I've compared my photos to a few of the other curlew Sandpipers seen in this part of the country (Mark green and the Stoll's from western TN) and I can't find anything to dispute this bird as being a Curlew Sandpiper.

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Date: 5/26/24 10:50 am
From: Margy Terpstra <0000061a61e5f423-dmarc-request...>
Subject: Re: No sighting - Cicada question
Spot on, Mike!! Thank you!!

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> On May 26, 2024, at 9:29 AM, Jean Ellen Whatley <jeanellenwhatley...> wrote:
>
> Thanks, Mike! I am in alignment with this option, which affirms the direction in which I was going. Hopefully this helps others who are wondering about this.
>
> Sign Me,
> Stinky in Webster Groves
>
> On Sun, May 26, 2024 at 7:45 AM Mike Taylor <3catacres...> <mailto:<3catacres...>> wrote:
>> My opinion: think of your yard as an ecosystem. For 13 years, the trees in your yard have been taking up rain that falls on your yard and taking up nutrients from the soil. The trees are contributing energy to your yard ecosystem.
>>
>> For 13 years, the cicada larvae have been taking some of the water, nutrients, and energy from your trees to fuel their growth to become adults. As adults, they continue to feed from the trees (for about six weeks).
>>
>> If you were to clean up and dispose of the carcasses, you are removing nutrients and energy from your yard ecosystem, reducing the health of your ecosystem.
>>
>> If you leave the carcasses to decompose, you are keeping nutrients and energy in your ecosystem for the other plants, animals, and fungi that live above and below ground in your yard.
>>
>> Embrace the smell! That is your ecosystem at work!
>>
>> Mike Taylor
>> Bollinger County
>>
>>> On May 25, 2024, at 8:33 PM, Jean Whatley <jeanellenwhatley...> <mailto:<jeanellenwhatley...>> wrote:
>>>
>>> To Lanny’s point: so once the cicadas mate, they will die — and we’ll have those carcasses to contend with + the exoskeletons on the ground already.
>>>
>>> Being the environmentalist that I am, I have thought I would just leave both on the ground. Let nature (decomposition ? Ugh) take its course. But I know people who have already cleaned up thousands on their yard. Raked them up & put them in the yard waste bin. Leaving them lay (gross) and raking them up (also gross) neither seems like a good option.
>>> I’m not anti cicada. Bless their hearts. Just don’t know how to handle thousands.
>>> Advice?
>>> Jean
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>>> On May 24, 2024, at 5:55 PM, Lanny Chambers <lannychambers...> <mailto:<lannychambers...>> wrote:
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>>>> That's my understanding...and the smell can be significant. But their rotting carcasses are great fertilizer--I've read that the trees from which cicadas fall will grow faster.
>>>>
>>>> On my daily walks through my subdivision here in Fenton, concentrations are highly localized, with large Callery ("Bradford") Pears seemingly a favorite. Yesterday, the din on my deck measured 82 dB; today my phone app registered 90 dB. No blankety-blank pears in my yard, either!
>>>>
>>>> Lanny Chambers
>>>> Fenton, MO
>>>>
>>>>> On May 24, 2024, at 17:20, Jean Ellen Whatley <jeanellenwhatley...> <mailto:<jeanellenwhatley...>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Meantime, a question: once they mate and the females lay their eggs in the branches of the trees, are all the "post-coital" cicadas going to die and fall from the trees?
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Date: 5/26/24 10:12 am
From: Mary Dueren <mary.dueren...>
Subject: NO sighting-Little Creve Coeur Parking lot
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While it might look like the lot is open, be very cautious. There are concrete barriers with a chain sometimes across the opening. Asphalting will happen sometime soon. The only way we were able to check bluebird boxes was to have my husband drop us off and pick us up when we were done.
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St Louis Audubon Society

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Date: 5/26/24 8:19 am
From: Edge Wade <1edgewade...>
Subject: Birding away from cicadas--some observations
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Yesterday I looked for respite from the din of periodic cicadas in every wooded area in Boone Co., and paired that desire with a similar wish to avoid places likely to be full of people enjoying the holiday weekend outdoors.

So, I birded the University of Missouri agricultural research sites (Bradford Farm, Beef Farm and South Farm Headquarters).

Recent activities at Bradford to rid the area of any trees, native grasses, or shrubs that might harbor vermin (and, therefore, provide food and shelter for species formerly found there such a Northern Harrier, Short-eared Owl, Northern Shrike) made Bradford a sure bet for no cicada cacophony.

It was pretty quiet. European Starlings and Red-winged Blackbirds appear to be doing well, Dickcissels and Eastern Meadowlarks, too. Most species, however, were detected near the periphery of the University property.

On the north side, near the northwest corner, stands a mulberry tree, saved from the saw by its trunk being across the fence on neighboring private property. The very unpleasant smell of some chemical (herbicide?) that hung over that portion of Bradford was made less offensive by the persistent renditions of a mockingbird hidden in the mulberry.

I listened and was able to identify a half dozen songs, but I was bettered by Merlin, which dutifully indicated the songs I heard and those of a few I could confirm were not present: Carolina Wren, Scarlet Tanager, Purple Martin and Mallard. That's one accomplished mockingbird! [and a caveat for Merlin users--make sure it's not a mockingbird]

On the south side, I listened to a lone Northern Bobwhite calling from a small pile of downed trees, surely doomed to be burned, eliminating the last indication of the former favorable conditions that had been preserved purposefully by previous managers to provide appropriate habitat for bobwhite (with a sign to inform the public of the commitment).

The southwest corner that was a sure bet for Short-eared Owls and not so long ago harbored a Yellow Rail is now being tilled.

I was reminded of an old GE (General Electric) TV ad series slogan: Progress is our most important product.

And, I was saddened at the thought.

Edge Wade
Columbia, MO
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Date: 5/26/24 7:31 am
From: Jean Ellen Whatley <jeanellenwhatley...>
Subject: Re: No sighting - Cicada question
Thanks, Mike! I am in alignment with this option, which affirms the
direction in which I was going. Hopefully this helps others who are
wondering about this.

Sign Me,
Stinky in Webster Groves

On Sun, May 26, 2024 at 7:45 AM Mike Taylor <3catacres...> wrote:

> My opinion: think of your yard as an ecosystem. For 13 years, the trees in
> your yard have been taking up rain that falls on your yard and taking up
> nutrients from the soil. The trees are contributing energy to your yard
> ecosystem.
>
> For 13 years, the cicada larvae have been taking some of the water,
> nutrients, and energy from your trees to fuel their growth to become
> adults. As adults, they continue to feed from the trees (for about six
> weeks).
>
> If you were to clean up and dispose of the carcasses, you are removing
> nutrients and energy from your yard ecosystem, reducing the health of your
> ecosystem.
>
> If you leave the carcasses to decompose, you are keeping nutrients and
> energy in your ecosystem for the other plants, animals, and fungi that live
> above and below ground in your yard.
>
> Embrace the smell! That is your ecosystem at work!
>
> Mike Taylor
> Bollinger County
>
> On May 25, 2024, at 8:33 PM, Jean Whatley <jeanellenwhatley...>
> wrote:
>
> To Lanny’s point: so once the cicadas mate, they will die — and we’ll
> have those carcasses to contend with + the exoskeletons on the ground
> already.
>
> Being the environmentalist that I am, I have thought I would just leave
> both on the ground. Let nature (decomposition ? Ugh) take its course. But I
> know people who have already cleaned up thousands on their yard. Raked
> them up & put them in the yard waste bin. Leaving them lay (gross) and
> raking them up (also gross) neither seems like a good option.
> I’m not anti cicada. Bless their hearts. Just don’t know how to handle
> thousands.
> Advice?
> Jean
> Sent from my iPhone
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> On May 24, 2024, at 5:55 PM, Lanny Chambers <lannychambers...>
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> That's my understanding...and the smell can be significant. But their
> rotting carcasses are great fertilizer--I've read that the trees from which
> cicadas fall will grow faster.
>
>
> On my daily walks through my subdivision here in Fenton, concentrations
> are highly localized, with large Callery ("Bradford") Pears seemingly a
> favorite. Yesterday, the din on my deck measured 82 dB; today my phone app
> registered 90 dB. No blankety-blank pears in my yard, either!
>
>
> Lanny Chambers
>
> Fenton, MO
>
>
> On May 24, 2024, at 17:20, Jean Ellen Whatley <jeanellenwhatley...>
> wrote:
>
>
> Meantime, a question: once they mate and the females lay their eggs in the
> branches of the trees, are all the "post-coital" cicadas going to die and
> fall from the trees?
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Date: 5/26/24 5:45 am
From: Mike Taylor <3catacres...>
Subject: Re: No sighting - Cicada question
My opinion: think of your yard as an ecosystem. For 13 years, the trees in your yard have been taking up rain that falls on your yard and taking up nutrients from the soil. The trees are contributing energy to your yard ecosystem.

For 13 years, the cicada larvae have been taking some of the water, nutrients, and energy from your trees to fuel their growth to become adults. As adults, they continue to feed from the trees (for about six weeks).

If you were to clean up and dispose of the carcasses, you are removing nutrients and energy from your yard ecosystem, reducing the health of your ecosystem.

If you leave the carcasses to decompose, you are keeping nutrients and energy in your ecosystem for the other plants, animals, and fungi that live above and below ground in your yard.

Embrace the smell! That is your ecosystem at work!

Mike Taylor
Bollinger County

> On May 25, 2024, at 8:33 PM, Jean Whatley <jeanellenwhatley...> wrote:
>
> To Lanny’s point: so once the cicadas mate, they will die — and we’ll have those carcasses to contend with + the exoskeletons on the ground already.
>
> Being the environmentalist that I am, I have thought I would just leave both on the ground. Let nature (decomposition ? Ugh) take its course. But I know people who have already cleaned up thousands on their yard. Raked them up & put them in the yard waste bin. Leaving them lay (gross) and raking them up (also gross) neither seems like a good option.
> I’m not anti cicada. Bless their hearts. Just don’t know how to handle thousands.
> Advice?
> Jean
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>> That's my understanding...and the smell can be significant. But their rotting carcasses are great fertilizer--I've read that the trees from which cicadas fall will grow faster.
>>
>> On my daily walks through my subdivision here in Fenton, concentrations are highly localized, with large Callery ("Bradford") Pears seemingly a favorite. Yesterday, the din on my deck measured 82 dB; today my phone app registered 90 dB. No blankety-blank pears in my yard, either!
>>
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>>>> On May 24, 2024, at 17:20, Jean Ellen Whatley <jeanellenwhatley...> wrote:
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>>> Meantime, a question: once they mate and the females lay their eggs in the branches of the trees, are all the "post-coital" cicadas going to die and fall from the trees?
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Date: 5/25/24 6:33 pm
From: Jean Whatley <jeanellenwhatley...>
Subject: Re: No sighting - Cicada question
To Lanny’s point: so once the cicadas mate, they will die — and we’ll have those carcasses to contend with + the exoskeletons on the ground already.

Being the environmentalist that I am, I have thought I would just leave both on the ground. Let nature (decomposition ? Ugh) take its course. But I know people who have already cleaned up thousands on their yard. Raked them up & put them in the yard waste bin. Leaving them lay (gross) and raking them up (also gross) neither seems like a good option.
I’m not anti cicada. Bless their hearts. Just don’t know how to handle thousands.
Advice?
Jean
Sent from my iPhone

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> That's my understanding...and the smell can be significant. But their rotting carcasses are great fertilizer--I've read that the trees from which cicadas fall will grow faster.
>
> On my daily walks through my subdivision here in Fenton, concentrations are highly localized, with large Callery ("Bradford") Pears seemingly a favorite. Yesterday, the din on my deck measured 82 dB; today my phone app registered 90 dB. No blankety-blank pears in my yard, either!
>
> Lanny Chambers
> Fenton, MO
>
>> On May 24, 2024, at 17:20, Jean Ellen Whatley <jeanellenwhatley...> wrote:
>>
>> Meantime, a question: once they mate and the females lay their eggs in the branches of the trees, are all the "post-coital" cicadas going to die and fall from the trees?
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Date: 5/25/24 5:08 pm
From: N Rock <4rockbird...>
Subject: Re: Magical cicadas (no bird sightings other than one RSHA)
I watched a house sparrow eat a cicada this evening. She smacked it around
on the concrete sidewalk for a bit, then ate out the body & left the wings
and head behind.

Nancy Rock
Shell Knob, Barry county

On Sat, May 25, 2024, 6:27 PM sgg.bluesfan <sgg.bluesfan...> wrote:

> I have been wondering how big the bird has to be to go after a cicada. I
> have seen some Watblers with an insect in their mouth that the look on
> their face says "How do I swallow this thing?"
> Could Warblers handle a cicada?
>
> I am not a bug person but with two huge maples in the back yard and my PC
> near the window I have been fascinated watching them. And I have probably
> thousands to watch. Got to see one twenty feet away work out of its
> exoskeleton. It was like watching the birth of a baby. It has been
> fascinating watching them change in such a short time in color and
> behavior. I appreciate the two that hitched a ride on me when I came back
> in the house stayed on until I got on the deck to send them on their way.
>
> The sounds have been crazy. Late in the afternoon the buzz is louder than
> a rock concert. And when first heard the weee-ooo sound, that was
> something out of this world.
>
> But while it is all fascinating, the time is short. Like others have
> said the sound has made birding by ear a great challenge the last couple of
> weeks. But we have many more years for that.
>
> As a non birder friend said on Facebook "What a year, the eclipse,
> northern lights, and the cicadas, get out and enjoy nature "
>
> Thanks,
> Steve Griffaw
> <Sgg.bluesfan...>
> Jefferson City MO
>
>
>
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>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Lanny Chambers <lanny...>
> Date: 5/25/24 4:56 PM (GMT-06:00)
> To: <MOBIRDS-L...>
> Subject: Re: Magical cicadas (no bird sightings other than one RSHA)
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> Perhaps their mouths are too full of cicadas? :-)
>
> Lanny Chambers
> Fenton, MO
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> > On May 25, 2024, at 16:35 , Bob Bailey <bohemewarbler...>
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> > I'm also hearing less songbirds. I don't think it's simply a matter of
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Date: 5/25/24 5:03 pm
From: Daniel Getman <000002b3a133f539-dmarc-request...>
Subject: Re: Magical cicadas (no bird sightings other than one RSHA)
 

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Date: 5/25/24 4:27 pm
From: sgg.bluesfan <sgg.bluesfan...>
Subject: Re: Magical cicadas (no bird sightings other than one RSHA)
I have been wondering how big the bird has to be to go after a cicada.  I have seen some Watblers with an insect in their mouth that the look on their face says "How do I swallow this thing?"Could Warblers handle a cicada?I am not a bug person but with two huge maples in the back yard and my PC near the window I have been fascinated watching them.   And I have probably thousands to watch.  Got to see one twenty feet away work out of its exoskeleton.  It was like watching the birth of a baby.  It has been fascinating watching them change in such a short time in color and behavior.  I appreciate the two that hitched a ride on me when I came back in the house stayed on until I got on the deck to send them on their way.The sounds have been crazy.  Late in the afternoon the buzz is louder than a rock concert.   And when first heard the weee-ooo sound, that was something out of this world.But while it is all fascinating,  the time is short.  Like others have said the sound has made birding by ear a great challenge the last couple of weeks.  But we have many more years for that.As a non birder friend said on Facebook "What a year, the eclipse,  northern lights, and the cicadas, get out and enjoy nature "Thanks,Steve <GriffawSgg.bluesfan...> Jefferson City MOSent via the Samsung Galaxy S21+ 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone
-------- Original message --------From: Lanny Chambers <lanny...> Date: 5/25/24 4:56 PM (GMT-06:00) To: <MOBIRDS-L...> Subject: Re: Magical cicadas (no bird sightings other than one RSHA) WARNING: This message has originated from an External Source. This may be a phishing expedition that can result in unauthorized access to our IT System. Please use proper judgment and caution when opening attachments, clicking links, or responding to this email.Perhaps their mouths are too full of cicadas? :-)Lanny ChambersFenton, MO> On May 25, 2024, at 16:35 , Bob Bailey <bohemewarbler...> wrote:>> I'm also hearing less songbirds. I don't think it's simply a matter of the din drowning out their songs.------------------------------------------------------------The Missouri Birding Society's Wild Bird Discussion ForumList archives: https://po.missouri.edu/scripts/wa.exe?A0=MOBIRDS-LMBS Website: https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmobirds.org%2FQuestions&data=05%7C02%<7CMOBIRDS-L...>%7C65a4416aefe648e3b41808dc7d120e8f%7Ce3fefdbef7e9401ba51a355e01b05a89%7C0%7C0%7C638522764201567414%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=Gk%2BhsCgFZiEoe1a9Wz0ZozDWS9OVzaRnTfBWmXR9DUQ%3D&reserved=0 or comments? Email the list owners: mailto:<mobirds-l-request...> unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://po.missouri.edu/SCRIPTS/wa.exe/wa?SUBED1=mobirds-l&A=1ABA Birding Code of Ethics: https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.aba.org%2Fabout%2Fethics.htmlMBS&data=05%7C02%<7CMOBIRDS-L...>%7C65a4416aefe648e3b41808dc7d120e8f%7Ce3fefdbef7e9401ba51a355e01b05a89%7C0%7C0%7C638522764201567414%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=SU35PFM7HSoXSebMi8Yno3quNUCpA21cLDaGOnwoWUM%3D&reserved=0 Fall Meeting:  October 4-6, 2024 at Three Trails Camp and Retreat Center, Independence, MO.Details and registration: https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmobirds.org%2FMBS%2FNextMeeting.aspx&data=05%7C02%<7CMOBIRDS-L...>%7C65a4416aefe648e3b41808dc7d120e8f%7Ce3fefdbef7e9401ba51a355e01b05a89%7C0%7C0%7C638522764201567414%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=PYtT80KKEFsoiVIuGn4RreuPws5t2EYzzm0dO7wENFQ%3D&reserved=0

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Date: 5/25/24 2:56 pm
From: Lanny Chambers <lanny...>
Subject: Re: Magical cicadas (no bird sightings other than one RSHA)
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Perhaps their mouths are too full of cicadas? :-)

Lanny Chambers
Fenton, MO

> On May 25, 2024, at 16:35 , Bob Bailey <bohemewarbler...> wrote:
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> I'm also hearing less songbirds. I don't think it's simply a matter of the din drowning out their songs.

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Date: 5/25/24 2:35 pm
From: Bob Bailey <bohemewarbler...>
Subject: Re: Magical cicadas (no bird sightings other than one RSHA)
I definitely have heard the weeee-ooo (with the second phrase descending) in the Weldon Spring CA, St. Charles County (e.g. Lost Valley), along with the din of the other cicadas. It has a more toad-like quality. I'm also hearing less songbirds. I don't think it's simply a matter of the din drowning out their songs.

Bob Bailey
St. Louis, MO
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Many articles have been written about the nutritional bounty provided by the periodical cicadas. A couple days ago, I watched a Red-shouldered Hawk walk around the ground under the White Ash tree in my backyard feeding on the cicadas. This morning, I watched a Gray Squirrel walking around the ground on the Green Ash in my side yard, also feeding on cicadas. The squirrel did not eat the wings or the (I think) head, but ate the rest.

Most of Missouri is covered by Brood XIX, on a 13 year cycle. The genus is Magicicada (great name!) but Brood XIX has as many as four species present within the genus. Most of us have three species present. Two of them, M. tredecassini and M. tredecula co-occur across the entire range of Brood 13. A third species, M. tredecim, occurs in southeastern Missouri then south and east across the southern part of the Brood XIX range. The fourth species, M. neotredecim, extends from southeastern Missouri northward across the rest of the state. This species was the most recently discovered, based in part on differences in song frequency (pitch) between M. tredecim and M. neotredecim.

There is a narrow zone of overlap in southeastern Missouri (including where I life in Bollinger County) where the latter two species overlap. With a little bit of practice, you can tell them apart. Dont listen to the incessant buzz. Instead, listen for the weeee-ooo (with the second phrase desending), which will be lower frequency than the background buzz. The song of M. neotredecim is slightly higher-pitched than M. tredecim. If you have a spectrogram app, you can pick out the differences. Merlin will not help you.

This site below has a lot of information on the periodical cicadas, including links to the original research.

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PS: Sorry for the scientific names. No one has bothered to give common names to these species. All of the names are variations of 13.

Mike Taylor
Bollinger County



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Date: 5/25/24 2:11 pm
From: Mike Taylor <3catacres...>
Subject: Magical cicadas (no bird sightings other than one RSHA)
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Many articles have been written about the nutritional bounty provided by the periodical cicadas. A couple days ago, I watched a Red-shouldered Hawk walk around the ground under the White Ash tree in my backyard feeding on the cicadas. This morning, I watched a Gray Squirrel walking around the ground on the Green Ash in my side yard, also feeding on cicadas. The squirrel did not eat the wings or the (I think) head, but ate the rest.

Most of Missouri is covered by Brood XIX, on a 13 year cycle. The genus is Magicicada (great name!) but Brood XIX has as many as four species present within the genus. Most of us have three species present. Two of them, M. tredecassini and M. tredecula co-occur across the entire range of Brood 13. A third species, M. tredecim, occurs in southeastern Missouri then south and east across the southern part of the Brood XIX range. The fourth species, M. neotredecim, extends from southeastern Missouri northward across the rest of the state. This species was the most recently discovered, based in part on differences in song frequency (pitch) between M. tredecim and M. neotredecim.

There is a narrow zone of overlap in southeastern Missouri (including where I life in Bollinger County) where the latter two species overlap. With a little bit of practice, you can tell them apart. Don’t listen to the incessant buzz. Instead, listen for the “weeee-ooo” (with the second phrase desending), which will be lower frequency than the background buzz. The song of M. neotredecim is slightly higher-pitched than M. tredecim. If you have a spectrogram app, you can pick out the differences. Merlin will not help you.

This site below has a lot of information on the periodical cicadas, including links to the original research.

https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcicadas.uconn.edu%2F&data=05%7C02%<7CMOBIRDS-L...>%7Cea73566c86ea4b1ad43d08dc7cff18a3%7Ce3fefdbef7e9401ba51a355e01b05a89%7C0%7C0%7C638522682268587228%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=7IezIbBQnYV4%2Bz17RJ6zK1%2BQtd3B91L7feeVui5TWpQ%3D&reserved=0

PS: Sorry for the scientific names. No one has bothered to give common names to these species. All of the names are variations of “13.”

Mike Taylor
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Date: 5/25/24 1:16 pm
From: Marge Lumpe <margelumpe...>
Subject: Re: No sighting - Cicada question
Up until today, I just had a few. Today is deafening.
Marge Lumpe
Benton County

On Sat, May 25, 2024 at 1:47 PM Mark Gutchen <
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> They are all at my house in Columbia having a party. 🤣
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> Mark Gutchen
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> The various broods of 13- and 17-year cicadas have pretty rigid
> distributional boundaries. I have absolutely none around my locale, but if
> I drive 30 minutes west I’m in the thick of them.
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Date: 5/25/24 12:51 pm
From: Lanny Chambers <lannychambers...>
Subject: Re: No sighting - Cicada question
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I hear two distinct cicada "songs." One is the harsh, raspy buzz, clearly individual bugs in individual trees. The other is a higher-pitched tone that seems to be a chorus not coming from a particular location. I hear both at the same time. Are these different species? Different behaviors?

Lanny Chambers
Fenton, MO

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Date: 5/25/24 11:47 am
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Date: 5/25/24 5:27 am
From: Margy Terpstra <0000061a61e5f423-dmarc-request...>
Subject: Re: No sighting - Cicada question
Just wanted to add my two cents worth. Diane’s yard is like ours, and the noise is unbearable in the afternoons. Yesterday, it was 67 degrees at 5:40 am and they were already screaming. This morning, after rain and only 60 degrees, they didn’t start up to our east until around 6:40 am. I get out there early to change the birdbath water, hummingbird feeders, etc. before they start flying, but I have to be quick about it. It gives me the only chance to listen for birds that might have come in overnight.

When Edge posted the MDC request for BBS volunteers, I made note of the numbers of cicadas mentioned:

"The population is expected to include trillions of individual cicadas with numbers ranging from 50,000 to 1.5 million per acre in healthy, forested habitats.”

I’m sure we have a million here in our 0.6 acre habitat!!

Margy Terpstra
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> Thanks to all. I guess they are rather sporadic, but also locally abundant. Thanks again!
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> The noise is absolutely deafening in my Ballwin yard. I have mature trees, and they are everywhere! I can hear them over my neighbors riding mower. I'm enjoying the experience, but it has made birding by ear really difficult unless I'm in a prairie/grassland area.
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Date: 5/24/24 9:44 pm
From: Patrick Maloney <maloneypatrick...>
Subject: Re: No sighting - Cicada question
Thanks to all.  I guess they are rather sporadic, but also locally abundant.  Thanks again!
On Friday, May 24, 2024 at 06:51:13 PM CDT, Diane Bricmont <colaptes.auratus...> wrote:

The noise is absolutely deafening in my Ballwin yard. I have mature trees, and they are everywhere! I can hear them over my neighbors riding mower. I'm enjoying the experience, but it has made birding by ear really difficult unless I'm in a prairie/grassland area.
Diane Bricmont STL CO
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WARNING: This message has originated from an External Source. This may be a phishing expedition that can result in unauthorized access to our IT System. Please use proper judgment and caution when opening attachments, clicking links, or responding to this email.Thus far, I have not seen or heard a cicada.  I live in South City near Christy and Kingshighway and have had nary a one.  Anybody know where they are?

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Date: 5/24/24 4:19 pm
From: N Rock <4rockbird...>
Subject: Re: No sighting - Cicada question
They're definitely in Barry county (south west). Watched a crow chasing one
today. The cicada won.

Nancy Rock

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Date: 5/24/24 3:55 pm
From: Lanny Chambers <lannychambers...>
Subject: Re: No sighting - Cicada question
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That's my understanding...and the smell can be significant. But their rotting carcasses are great fertilizer--I've read that the trees from which cicadas fall will grow faster.

On my daily walks through my subdivision here in Fenton, concentrations are highly localized, with large Callery ("Bradford") Pears seemingly a favorite. Yesterday, the din on my deck measured 82 dB; today my phone app registered 90 dB. No blankety-blank pears in my yard, either!

Lanny Chambers
Fenton, MO

> On May 24, 2024, at 17:20, Jean Ellen Whatley <jeanellenwhatley...> wrote:
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> Meantime, a question: once they mate and the females lay their eggs in the branches of the trees, are all the "post-coital" cicadas going to die and fall from the trees?

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Date: 5/24/24 3:20 pm
From: Jean Ellen Whatley <jeanellenwhatley...>
Subject: Re: No sighting - Cicada question
Hi All,
I have millions (well, maybe tens of thousands?) in my Webster Groves yard
too. I concur with Mark's observations that there doesn't seem to be a
discernible or predictable pattern of where they congregate.

One observation, incidental as it may be, thousands emerged from under my
sugar maple. That seems to be the most populated part of my yard. They've
gone from clinging to the hostas after they emerged to being high up in the
upper canopy of trees in my yard: an elm; black walnut; box elder; silver
maples -- but they surfaced mostly from the ground under and adjacent to
the sugar maple.

I was going to do a lot of pruning this week. Forget about it. They're so
thick in the spirea and trumpet vines that I can't get near them. They will
swarm, and I found out the hard way yesterday when attempting to prune a
kiwi vine. It's just all gonna have to wait...

Meantime, a question: once they mate and the females lay their eggs in the
branches of the trees, are all the "post-coital" cicadas going to die and
fall from the trees? I've already got thousands of exoskeletons to try to
manage.

Jean Whatley
Webster Groves, STL Co.

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> Where are they? In my yard in Webster Groves. But only in some parts of
> it. They seem to be strangely localized, with no discernable pattern,
> both around the St. Louis area as a whole and, even where they are found,
> sometimes present and sometimes absent within short distances virtually
> adjacent to each other.
>
> Yesterday afternoon I walked the trails in Emmenegger Park in Kirkwood.
> Little holes in the ground, from which the cicadas had emerged, were
> everywhere. In nearby areas, nothing. If there is some correlation with
> the weather or the vegetation, I can't discern it.
>
> --Mark Mittleman
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> In a message dated 5/24/2024 4:29:13 PM Central Daylight Time,
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> I'd be happy to send you some. :)
>
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Date: 5/24/24 3:03 pm
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Subject: Re: Flooded fields - New Madrid County day 2 - WHIMBREL!!!
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Checklist from this afternoon if anyone is interested.

I'll try to give a round #3 report tomorrow morning

Tim Kavan
East Prairie, MO
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Report from the field this afternoon. 2 Ruddy turnstones, 4 least terns, 1 black tern, black necked stilts, mallards, teal, Canada geese, & a LIFER WHIMBREL!!!! 7 of them. Pretty cool, cause I was just talking to my wife about this bird and how the river was up and how attractive this area would be for them.
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Date: 5/24/24 2:38 pm
From: Mark Mittleman <0000014c8dd0ed8d-dmarc-request...>
Subject: Re: No sighting - Cicada question
Where are they?  In my yard in Webster Groves.  But only in some parts of it.  They seem to be strangely localized, with no discernable pattern, both around the St. Louis area as a whole and, even where they are found, sometimes present and sometimes absent within short distances virtually adjacent to each other.
 Yesterday afternoon I walked the trails in Emmenegger Park in Kirkwood.  Little holes in the ground, from which the cicadas had emerged, were everywhere.  In nearby areas, nothing.  If there is some correlation with the weather or the vegetation, I can't discern it. --Mark Mittleman
In a message dated 5/24/2024 4:29:13 PM Central Daylight Time, <kevinwehner...> writes: 
I'd be happy to send you some. :) 
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Date: 5/24/24 2:37 pm
From: Bill Eddleman <eddlemanw48...>
Subject: Re: No sighting - Cicada question
The various broods of 13- and 17-year cicadas have pretty rigid
distributional boundaries. I have absolutely none around my locale, but if
I drive 30 minutes west I’m in the thick of them.

——Bill Eddleman, Cape Girardeau

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Date: 5/24/24 2:29 pm
From: Kevin Wehner <kevinwehner...>
Subject: Re: No sighting - Cicada question
I'd be happy to send you some. :)


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Date: 5/24/24 2:27 pm
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Subject: No sighting - Cicada question
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Date: 5/24/24 2:18 pm
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Subject: Re: Flooded fields - New Madrid County day 2 - WHIMBREL!!!
Super finds, Tim! Thanks for sharing.
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> Report from the field this afternoon. 2 Ruddy turnstones, 4 least terns,
> 1 black tern, black necked stilts, mallards, teal, Canada geese, & a LIFER
> WHIMBREL!!!! 7 of them. Pretty cool, cause I was just talking to my wife
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Date: 5/24/24 1:36 pm
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Subject: Flooded fields - New Madrid County day 2 - WHIMBREL!!!
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Report from the field this afternoon. 2 Ruddy turnstones, 4 least terns, 1 black tern, black necked stilts, mallards, teal, Canada geese, & a LIFER WHIMBREL!!!! 7 of them. Pretty cool, cause I was just talking to my wife about this bird and how the river was up and how attractive this area would be for them.
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Date: 5/24/24 11:58 am
From: Margy Terpstra <0000061a61e5f423-dmarc-request...>
Subject: Re: This is from Lisa Berger, whose computer is non-functioning ('til I get my new one set-up)
Thank you, Pat and Jean!

Miki McKee Koelsch wrote the article and she pulled it together beautifully. It was fun being able to share our perspective on healthy practices to benefit native pollinators, beneficial insects and birds, of course! The article will go online on Monday, I’ll share a link then.

The rewards of restoring habitat are just amazing some days! Yesterday, a female Canada Warbler was in the bubbler at lunchtime. I had not photographed a Canada since September, 2022.

So, keep on planting and help out our native birds!

Margy Terpstra
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>> On May 24, 2024, at 1:12 PM, Patricia Lueders <0000045b01e0e3f5-dmarc-request...> wrote:
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>> And congratulations to Margy and Dan for the inspiring and very well-deserved article in today’s Webster-Kirkwood Times about their backyard bird sanctuary!
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>>> On May 24, 2024, at 12:49 PM, Margy Terpstra <0000061a61e5f423-dmarc-request...> wrote:
>>>
>>> Thank you, Edge for forwarding Lisa’s email. I heard Doug when Dana Ripper and MRBO sponsored his program in the Winter Learning Series.
>>>
>>> Doug mentioned in that talk that moth caterpillars are the caterpillars most frequently eaten by birds. I asked him whether using Liquid Fence to deter deer would also deter moths. Liquid Fence makes the leaves less palatable to the deer because it has a strong, repellent odor. He said, "As for your deer spray, no one has tested whether those sprays deter ovipositing moths, but I suspect they do. Moths find their host plants via odor, so if you change the odor, …. “ Aha!
>>>
>>> We only use Liquid Fence on a few Hydrangeas along the outer perimeter near the large pond to deter the deer, females have waded in to eat water lily leaves and that is risky business. Don’t want a deer with a broken leg. Otherwise, we have a temporary fence behind the native Hydrangeas that surround the bubbler and so far this year, this is keeping the deer out. Once the deer have their fawns, they’ll probably come into the bubbler area, but we’ll spray the large pond area again. Sometimes we have to make some compromises. At least, the warblers were able to find caterpillars near the bubbler during spring migration.
>>>
>>> I still have to get his comments on that other study. Will see if he has a minute to do that for us.
>>>
>>> In the meantime, kudos to Lisa and to Marge and all who are planting natives! Restoring habitat where we can will help these birds we all love!
>>>
>>> Margy Terpstra
>>> Kirkwood, St. Louis CO, MO
>>> <ladybirdterp...>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On May 24, 2024, at 12:07 PM, Marge Lumpe <margelumpe...> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Good 👍 information. I’m making an effort to only plant natives. I have many more butterflies coming to the plants.
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, May 24, 2024 at 8:31 AM Edge Wade <1edgewade...> <mailto:<1edgewade...>> wrote:
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>>>>>
>>>>> Lisa Berger sent the following yesterday. Gardeners, please note.
>>>>> Edge Wade
>>>>> Columbia, MO
>>>>> <1edgewade...> <mailto:<1edgewade...>
>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>>>>> From: Charles Burwick <burwick.charles...> <mailto:<burwick.charles...>>
>>>>> Date: Thu, May 23, 2024 at 5:57 PM
>>>>> Subject: Native Plants vs. Cultivars, additional information
>>>>> To: <1edgewade...> <mailto:<1edgewade...>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello Edge,
>>>>>
>>>>> I read recently a discussion on Mobirds about native plants versus cultivars of natives.
>>>>>
>>>>> Doug Tallamy presented an inspiring program last Saturday in Springfield, mentioning a study by Mt. Cuba Center’s research into cultivars of natives and pure native plants. https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmtcubacenter.org%2Fdo-leaf-eating-insects-eat-nativars%2F&data=05%7C02%<7Cmobirds-l...>%7Cebd519a46f26473e734208dc7c22eb53%7Ce3fefdbef7e9401ba51a355e01b05a89%7C0%7C0%7C638521738603718451%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=xvg3Z%2FpvC70xis9Yv9qfQGN1ykz1mmRqRJCa2eEm%2FLg%3D&reserved=0 <https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmtcubacenter.org%2Fdo-leaf-eating-insects-eat-nativars%2F&data=05%7C02%<7Cmobirds-l...>%7Cebd519a46f26473e734208dc7c22eb53%7Ce3fefdbef7e9401ba51a355e01b05a89%7C0%7C0%7C638521738603718451%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=xvg3Z%2FpvC70xis9Yv9qfQGN1ykz1mmRqRJCa2eEm%2FLg%3D&reserved=0>
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>>>>> One thing in the MoBirds discussion that did not come forth was that cultivars, which have been engineered to express leaves with red/purple coloration, make them unpalatable to native insects, causing avoidance. The non-red natives and cultivars continue to support insects which feed birds and other wildlife.
>>>>>
>>>>> This might be shared, if it adds to the understanding of the pros and cons of cultivars. I didn’t know this and am going to remove these in my landscape since they take productive space away from the ecosystems we are trying to enhance.
>>>>>
>>>>> I recommend Talamy’s book, Nature’s Best Hope. I was a convert with Bringing Nature Home, but have doubled down on the best plants and practices.
>>>>>
>>>>> Fondly,
>>>>>
>>>>> Lisa
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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Date: 5/24/24 11:38 am
From: Jean Whatley <jeanellenwhatley...>
Subject: Re: This is from Lisa Berger, whose computer is non-functioning ('til I get my new one set-up)
 

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Subject: Re: This is from Lisa Berger, whose computer is non-functioning ('til I get my new one set-up)
 

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Date: 5/24/24 10:49 am
From: Margy Terpstra <0000061a61e5f423-dmarc-request...>
Subject: Re: This is from Lisa Berger, whose computer is non-functioning ('til I get my new one set-up)
Thank you, Edge for forwarding Lisa’s email. I heard Doug when Dana Ripper and MRBO sponsored his program in the Winter Learning Series.

Doug mentioned in that talk that moth caterpillars are the caterpillars most frequently eaten by birds. I asked him whether using Liquid Fence to deter deer would also deter moths. Liquid Fence makes the leaves less palatable to the deer because it has a strong, repellent odor. He said, "As for your deer spray, no one has tested whether those sprays deter ovipositing moths, but I suspect they do. Moths find their host plants via odor, so if you change the odor, …. “ Aha!

We only use Liquid Fence on a few Hydrangeas along the outer perimeter near the large pond to deter the deer, females have waded in to eat water lily leaves and that is risky business. Don’t want a deer with a broken leg. Otherwise, we have a temporary fence behind the native Hydrangeas that surround the bubbler and so far this year, this is keeping the deer out. Once the deer have their fawns, they’ll probably come into the bubbler area, but we’ll spray the large pond area again. Sometimes we have to make some compromises. At least, the warblers were able to find caterpillars near the bubbler during spring migration.

I still have to get his comments on that other study. Will see if he has a minute to do that for us.

In the meantime, kudos to Lisa and to Marge and all who are planting natives! Restoring habitat where we can will help these birds we all love!

Margy Terpstra
Kirkwood, St. Louis CO, MO
<ladybirdterp...>


> On May 24, 2024, at 12:07 PM, Marge Lumpe <margelumpe...> wrote:
>
> Good 👍 information. I’m making an effort to only plant natives. I have many more butterflies coming to the plants.
>
> On Fri, May 24, 2024 at 8:31 AM Edge Wade <1edgewade...> <mailto:<1edgewade...>> wrote:
>> WARNING: This message has originated from an External Source. This may be a phishing expedition that can result in unauthorized access to our IT System. Please use proper judgment and caution when opening attachments, clicking links, or responding to this email.
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>>
>> Lisa Berger sent the following yesterday. Gardeners, please note.
>> Edge Wade
>> Columbia, MO
>> <1edgewade...> <mailto:<1edgewade...>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>> From: Charles Burwick <burwick.charles...> <mailto:<burwick.charles...>>
>> Date: Thu, May 23, 2024 at 5:57 PM
>> Subject: Native Plants vs. Cultivars, additional information
>> To: <1edgewade...> <mailto:<1edgewade...>>
>>
>>
>> Hello Edge,
>>
>> I read recently a discussion on Mobirds about native plants versus cultivars of natives.
>>
>> Doug Tallamy presented an inspiring program last Saturday in Springfield, mentioning a study by Mt. Cuba Center’s research into cultivars of natives and pure native plants. https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmtcubacenter.org%2Fdo-leaf-eating-insects-eat-nativars%2F&data=05%7C02%<7Cmobirds-l...>%7C18fdff57aac84f66effa08dc7c1994db%7Ce3fefdbef7e9401ba51a355e01b05a89%7C0%7C0%7C638521697386769293%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=B2Loxck5kUUlPi5zP%2BUBIIQ7iTJ5VEKPLMCBsutApLw%3D&reserved=0 <https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmtcubacenter.org%2Fdo-leaf-eating-insects-eat-nativars%2F&data=05%7C02%<7Cmobirds-l...>%7C18fdff57aac84f66effa08dc7c1994db%7Ce3fefdbef7e9401ba51a355e01b05a89%7C0%7C0%7C638521697386769293%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=B2Loxck5kUUlPi5zP%2BUBIIQ7iTJ5VEKPLMCBsutApLw%3D&reserved=0>
>>
>> One thing in the MoBirds discussion that did not come forth was that cultivars, which have been engineered to express leaves with red/purple coloration, make them unpalatable to native insects, causing avoidance. The non-red natives and cultivars continue to support insects which feed birds and other wildlife.
>>
>> This might be shared, if it adds to the understanding of the pros and cons of cultivars. I didn’t know this and am going to remove these in my landscape since they take productive space away from the ecosystems we are trying to enhance.
>>
>> I recommend Talamy’s book, Nature’s Best Hope. I was a convert with Bringing Nature Home, but have doubled down on the best plants and practices.
>>
>> Fondly,
>>
>> Lisa
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Date: 5/24/24 10:12 am
From: Marge Lumpe <margelumpe...>
Subject: Re: This is from Lisa Berger, whose computer is non-functioning ('til I get my new one set-up)
Good 👍 information. I’m making an effort to only plant natives. I have
many more butterflies coming to the plants.

On Fri, May 24, 2024 at 8:31 AM Edge Wade <1edgewade...> wrote:

> WARNING: This message has originated from an External Source. This may be
> a phishing expedition that can result in unauthorized access to our IT
> System. Please use proper judgment and caution when opening attachments,
> clicking links, or responding to this email.
>
>
> Lisa Berger sent the following yesterday. Gardeners, please note.
> Edge Wade
> Columbia, MO
> <1edgewade...>
> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
> From: Charles Burwick <burwick.charles...>
> Date: Thu, May 23, 2024 at 5:57 PM
> Subject: Native Plants vs. Cultivars, additional information
> To: <1edgewade...>
>
>
> Hello Edge,
>
> I read recently a discussion on Mobirds about native plants versus
> cultivars of natives.
>
> Doug Tallamy presented an inspiring program last Saturday in Springfield,
> mentioning a study by Mt. Cuba Center’s research into cultivars of natives
> and pure native plants.
> https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmtcubacenter.org%2Fdo-leaf-eating-insects-eat-nativars%2F&data=05%7C02%<7CMOBIRDS-L...>%7Cd8a7dc5221eb4931a42b08dc7c1409ea%7Ce3fefdbef7e9401ba51a355e01b05a89%7C0%7C0%7C638521675145230812%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=f4isQaPp4Gc2gD4aEBWRpH3fGZiQIUbAgZNqp6aeHBA%3D&reserved=0
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>
> One thing in the MoBirds discussion that did not come forth was that
> cultivars, which have been engineered to express leaves with red/purple
> coloration, make them unpalatable to native insects, causing avoidance. The
> non-red natives and cultivars continue to support insects which feed birds
> and other wildlife.
>
> This might be shared, if it adds to the understanding of the pros and cons
> of cultivars. I didn’t know this and am going to remove these in my
> landscape since they take productive space away from the ecosystems we are
> trying to enhance.
>
> I recommend Talamy’s book,* Nature’s Best Hope*. I was a convert with *
> Bringing Nature Home*, but have doubled down on the best plants and
> practices.
>
> Fondly,
>
> Lisa
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Date: 5/24/24 6:31 am
From: Edge Wade <1edgewade...>
Subject: Fwd: This is from Lisa Berger, whose computer is non-functioning ('til I get my new one set-up)
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Lisa Berger sent the following yesterday. Gardeners, please note.
Edge Wade
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<1edgewade...><mailto:<1edgewade...>
---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: Charles Burwick <burwick.charles...><mailto:<burwick.charles...>>
Date: Thu, May 23, 2024 at 5:57 PM
Subject: Native Plants vs. Cultivars, additional information
To: <1edgewade...><mailto:<1edgewade...>>


Hello Edge,

I read recently a discussion on Mobirds about native plants versus cultivars of natives.

Doug Tallamy presented an inspiring program last Saturday in Springfield, mentioning a study by Mt. Cuba Center’s research into cultivars of natives and pure native plants. https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmtcubacenter.org%2Fdo-leaf-eating-insects-eat-nativars%2F&data=05%7C02%<7CMOBIRDS-L...>%7C67641106fb804d115ebb08dc7bf5cc06%7Ce3fefdbef7e9401ba51a355e01b05a89%7C0%7C0%7C638521542816437582%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=O4vfwDEOJDzAoAcSciGFpLteJv2BHZ5i0prG6DIIZZQ%3D&reserved=0

One thing in the MoBirds discussion that did not come forth was that cultivars, which have been engineered to express leaves with red/purple coloration, make them unpalatable to native insects, causing avoidance. The non-red natives and cultivars continue to support insects which feed birds and other wildlife.

This might be shared, if it adds to the understanding of the pros and cons of cultivars. I didn’t know this and am going to remove these in my landscape since they take productive space away from the ecosystems we are trying to enhance.

I recommend Talamy’s book, Nature’s Best Hope. I was a convert with Bringing Nature Home, but have doubled down on the best plants and practices.

Fondly,

Lisa







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