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3/26/24 8:18 pm Mary Nemecek <0000000585d83684-dmarc-request...> Re: Proposed Solar Farm Near Montrose and Settle’s Ford Conservation Areas
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3/26/24 5:04 pm David Becher <davidbecher...> Re: WGNSS Birding
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3/26/24 3:02 pm Edge Wade <1edgewade...> Chance to Bird Eleven Point State Park
3/26/24 12:41 pm Edge Wade <1edgewade...> Eagle Bluffs Rusty Blackbirds and more
3/25/24 11:30 am Edge Wade <1edgewade...> Re: Merlin and chickadee identification
3/25/24 10:41 am Edge Wade <1edgewade...> Chickadees--More
3/25/24 8:39 am Edge Wade <1edgewade...> Merlin and chickadee identification
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3/24/24 8:45 am sgg.bluesfan <sgg.bluesfan...> Re: Boone County birds today
3/24/24 8:00 am Randy <randybirder...> Virginia Rail-Little Creve Coeur
3/23/24 2:40 pm Edge Wade <1edgewade...> Boone County birds today
3/23/24 1:07 pm Jane Frazier <janefraz2828...> Re: Ross' Geese at Eagle Bluffs now
3/23/24 10:38 am Edge Wade <1edgewade...> Ross' Geese at Eagle Bluffs now
3/22/24 6:12 pm Linda Williams <000005261ef93d0e-dmarc-request...> Whip-poor-will, Shannon County, March 22, 2024
3/22/24 3:27 pm Edge Wade <1edgewade...> Re: Louisiana Waterthrush in Kennedy Woods
3/22/24 2:55 pm Janis Valdes <janis.lee.valdes...> Louisiana Waterthrush in Kennedy Woods
3/21/24 2:35 pm Edge Wade <1edgewade...> Finger Lakes SP & Rocky Fork Lakes CA, Boone Co.
3/20/24 1:14 pm Mark Glenshaw <mglenshaw...> No Sighting, Great Horned Owl Lecture, St. Charles County, Sat 3/23
3/20/24 10:03 am Monacell, Peter L. <plmonacell...> NO SIGHTING Eagle Bluffs Management Shorebird ID Workshop will allow 10 members of the birding public
3/19/24 6:24 pm Carol Thompson <cthompson871...> MBS roommate
3/19/24 5:21 pm David Becher <davidbecher...> WGNSS BIrding 3/21 and 3/23
3/17/24 5:42 pm Dorcas Wanner <dewanner...> Previous email Fish Crows
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3/17/24 3:18 pm Edge Wade <1edgewade...> Eagle Bluffs this afternoon
3/17/24 2:37 pm Marge Lumpe <margelumpe...> Sunday at Hi Lonesome
3/16/24 3:25 pm Edge Wade <1edgewade...> Winter Wren, Hickory Co.
3/16/24 1:35 pm Jeff Cantrell <Jeff.Cantrell...> First of the season Yellow-throated warblers
3/16/24 10:01 am C <rosenfeldcheryl...> 46 American Golden l-Plover at EBCA
3/15/24 7:03 pm JERRY WILLIAMS <jmwilliams01982...> Aldrich, stockton lake
3/15/24 12:43 pm Jane Frazier <janefraz2828...> Binder lake
3/15/24 12:15 pm Edge Wade <1edgewade...> Rooms for MBS SPRING MEETING UPDATE and Correction
3/15/24 10:30 am Edge Wade <1edgewade...> Re: MBS meeting St. Joseph
3/15/24 9:44 am Greg Swick <grswick...> Re: Lesser Goldfinch - Springfield
3/15/24 9:25 am Jane Frazier <janefraz2828...> MBS meeting St. Joseph
3/15/24 8:59 am Lawrence Herbert <certhia13...> Flicker behavior
3/14/24 6:05 pm Greg Swick <grswick...> Lesser Goldfinch - Springfield
3/14/24 5:43 pm Edge Wade <1edgewade...> Lordi Marker Prairie Directions Correction
3/14/24 8:15 am Edge Wade <1edgewade...> Prairie birding
3/14/24 6:42 am Edge Wade <1edgewade...> Re: Turkey Vultures - Smithville Lake
3/13/24 6:23 pm Terry Miller <millert832...> Turkey Vultures - Smithville Lake
3/13/24 9:46 am Kevin Wehner <kevinwehner...> No Sighting: Listserv Photo Reminder
3/13/24 9:36 am Michael Grant <mikecurlew...> Eurasian Collared-Doves, Valley Park, St. Louis Co.
3/13/24 7:38 am Jane Frazier <janefraz2828...> RBAS reminder, Mississippi birds
3/13/24 6:34 am Edge Wade <1edgewade...> Sounds to Sort in March
3/13/24 6:07 am Tim Kavan <tkavan_76...> Re: Long Eared Owl - New Madrid County (Private location - access limited)
3/12/24 4:00 pm David Becher <davidbecher...> WGNSS Birding 3/14 and 3/16
3/12/24 1:16 pm Lawrence Herbert <certhia13...> Barred owl.
3/12/24 6:35 am Edge Wade <1edgewade...> Re: Long Eared Owl - New Madrid County (Private location - access limited)
3/12/24 5:05 am Tim Kavan <tkavan_76...> Re: Long Eared Owl - New Madrid County (Private location - access limited)
3/11/24 8:16 pm Mike Grant <mikecurlew...> Chipping Sparrow
3/11/24 6:13 pm Tim Kavan <tkavan_76...> Long Eared Owl - New Madrid County (Private location - access limited)
3/11/24 5:44 pm Edge Wade <1edgewade...> Re: Willets
3/11/24 3:34 pm KELLY ORMESHER <kbormesher...> Willets
3/10/24 8:49 am David Becher <davidbecher...> Howard Bend section of Big Muddy NWR
3/10/24 7:34 am Edge Wade <1edgewade...> Re: Prairie Falcon at Grand Pass CA, Saline Co.
3/10/24 6:18 am Edge Wade <1edgewade...> Prairie Falcon at Grand Pass CA, Saline Co.
3/10/24 6:00 am Edge Wade <1edgewade...> Re: Eastern Screech Owl
3/9/24 4:47 pm Daniel Getman <000002b3a133f539-dmarc-request...> Eastern Screech Owl
3/7/24 7:24 pm Mary Nemecek <0000000585d83684-dmarc-request...> No Sighting- planned eBird outage March 19-21
3/7/24 12:04 pm Edge Wade <1edgewade...> Fun Morning at Finger Lakes SP, Boone Co.
3/7/24 9:41 am sara scheil <000000dbfb1b011a-dmarc-request...> Kansas City Area- hike for young birders
3/6/24 12:14 pm MARY NEMECEK <0000000585d83684-dmarc-request...> No sighting - David Allen Sibley speaking in KC
3/5/24 3:06 pm David Becher <davidbecher...> WGNSS Birding 3/7 and 3/9
3/5/24 2:25 pm Sherry Leonardo <0000003f830b5818-dmarc-request...> Horned Grebes at Longview Lake
3/4/24 8:29 pm Michelle Dalbey <0000042ac5722fe1-dmarc-request...> Re: FOY Eastern Phoebe
3/4/24 1:44 pm Jane Frazier <janefraz2828...> River Bluffs Audubon
3/4/24 1:10 pm Marge Lumpe <margelumpe...> Re: FOY Eastern Phoebe
3/4/24 11:04 am Ethan Duke <ethan.duke...> Re: Tandem woodcock flight
3/4/24 7:06 am Glenn Pickett <gepgwc...> FOY Eastern Phoebe
3/4/24 7:05 am Ruanne Stamps <stampsr...> Re: Tandem woodcock flight
3/4/24 6:37 am Edge Wade <1edgewade...> Swainson's Hawk migration
3/3/24 2:20 pm Joanna Reuter <joanna...> Tandem woodcock flight
3/3/24 12:06 pm Jean Ellen Whatley <jeanellenwhatley...> Eurasian Tree Sparrows in the Bluebird Box
3/3/24 6:27 am <rankin.horton...> <rankin.horton...> Re: On changes to North American English bird names
3/3/24 6:17 am Timothy Barksdale <timothy.barksdale...> Re: Question for a few
3/1/24 10:45 am Monacell, Peter L. <plmonacell...> Winter Reports Due March 19
3/1/24 5:06 am Kendell Loyd <kloyd.birds...> Re: Winter Seasonal Reports due March 19
3/1/24 5:02 am Kendell Loyd <kloyd.birds...> Winter Seasonal Reports due March 19
2/28/24 7:40 am Edge Wade <1edgewade...> Re: Question for a few
2/28/24 6:58 am Timothy Barksdale <timothy.barksdale...> Question for a few
2/27/24 4:03 pm David Becher <davidbecher...> WGNSS Birding 2/29 and 3/2
2/27/24 8:00 am Edge Wade <1edgewade...> Message from Eagle Bluffs Manager Joe Zoellner
 
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Date: 3/28/24 4:54 pm
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Subject: Binder loons
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Both appeared to be common loons.

Jane Frazier


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Two loons now

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Loon on binder lake now, middle of the lake, long row of parking spots.

Jane Frazier
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Date: 3/28/24 9:58 am
From: Carol Thompson <cthompson871...>
Subject: Re: Merlin and chickadee identification

This has been very informative. Thanks for the observations and background info from everyone.


Carol Thompson

Foristell, MO

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The question of the hybrid zone width across its length is tricky because of the lack of genetic work anywhere besides west-central MO and east PA. As Jay said, 15-20 km is the estimate made by Mark Robbins and colleagues' work (and supported by my data) in west-central MO. To my knowledge, no genetic work has been published to inform us as to whether that estimate can be extrapolated to east MO. It would be cool to expand genetic sampling efforts eastward to help us zero in on where the hybrid zone is relative to the Missouri River (and to make birders' lives easier).
As far as the chickadee ID issue goes, I mostly jumped in here to support Edge's original statement with recent empirical data. Chickadees most definitely learn their songs from nearby neighbors, which—combined with the genetic hybridization—makes identification to species in and near the zone basically a shot in the dark. Well outside of the zone, I do believe species identifications should stay true to the range maps, even though Merlin may sometimes say otherwise.


Shelby Palmer
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Dept. of Biology
University of Florida
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Details on the paper I mentioned:


Alexander, A., M. B. Robbins, J. Holmes, R. G. Moyle, and A. T. Peterson (2022). Limited movement of an avian hybrid zone in relation to regional variation in magnitude of climate change. Molecular Ecology 31:6634–6648.

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Abstract

Studies of natural hybrid zones can provide documentation of range shifts in response to climate change and identify loci important to reproductive isolation. Using a temporal (36–38 years) comparison of the black-capped (Poecile atricapillus) and Carolina (P. carolinensis) chickadee hybrid zone, we investigated movement of the western portion of the zone (western Missouri) and assessed whether loci and pathways underpinning reproductive isolation were similar to those in the eastern portion of the hybrid zone. Using 92 birds sampled along the hybrid zone transect in 2016 and 68 birds sampled between 1978 and 1980, we generated 11,669 SNPs via ddRADseq. These SNPs were used to assess movement of the hybrid zone through time and to evaluate variation in introgression among loci. We demonstrate that the interface has moved ~5 km to the northwest over the last 36–38 years, that is, at only one-fifth the rate at which the eastern portion (e.g., Pennsylvania, Ohio) of the hybrid zone has moved. Temperature trends over the last 38 years reveal that eastern areas have warmed 50% more than western areas in terms of annual mean temperature, possibly providing an explanation for the slower movement of the hybrid zone in Missouri. Our results suggest hybrid zone movement in broadly distributed species, such as chickadees, will vary between areas in response to local differences in the impacts of climate change.

On Wed, Mar 27, 2024 at 12:48 PM Jay McEntee <jaymcentee...><mailto:<jaymcentee...>> wrote:
The best evidence on the current position of the hybrid zone in western MO, and on its movement over time, is in a paper which I'm attempting to attach here (but suspect won't make it through to the listserv). To my knowledge, central and eastern Missouri continue to be more of a mystery as there has been little genetic data collected.

The hybrid zone is indeed narrow where it's been measured (depending on how you calculate it, <20 km in western MO), but its position is varying over time, and 'species-typical' songs might make it further into the range of the other species than genes do, as mentioned. I think that's part of Shelby's suggested caution about ID (human and Merlin) in the vicinity of the zone. Even if you're not technically in the hybrid zone, you might hear a single song and conclude you've heard a Black-capped when you've heard a Carolina Chickadee that's incorporated Black-capped song into its repertoire. So the confusion generated by contact between the two species has a greater width than the hybrid zone itself.

While the hybrid zone is narrow, many of the birds within hybrid zone populations are hybrids, in that they have mixed genetic ancestry (including not just F1s but later-generation hybrids and/or backcrossed individuals).

On Wed, Mar 27, 2024 at 11:51 AM David Becher <davidbecher...><mailto:<davidbecher...>> wrote:

The hybrid zone is fairly narrow. I saw a study done at Hawk Mountain years ago, which found that the fledging success of mixed pairs was about 10% of that of homogeneous ones. This suggests that the actual number of hybrids may be small. Only DNA testing would show for sure. Bird songs are at least partially learned, so birds growing up in a mixed population might well sing intermediate songs. Also, since birds of the two species are presumably competitive it would make sense that they would react to each other’s songs. Species are in the end artificial human constructions. In nature, there are only breeding populations. I believe that it is easy to over think these issues. If the birds do not always care, why should we.



David Becher

Saint Louis



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Subject: Re: Merlin and chickadee identification



Well,



If there is a consensus that at least all mid Missouri Chickadees should be changed in Ebird, please post out here and it will reach other birders.



Before Metlin I had based on my own ear considered my yard in Jefferson City Carolinas, but if it takes DNA to confirm I will be glad to change my lists.



I always found it interesting that Merlin did say mine were Carolinas but less than 30 miles north Eagle Bluffs were Black Capped.



Thanks,

Steve Griffaw

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Jefferson City MO







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I'm glad to see this conversation happening, as I've also noticed quite a few chickadee observations (of both species) that are pretty well out of range on the MO eBird rare bird alert emails. I did my master's thesis at MSU on the relationship between song and genetic ancestry in Black-capped/Carolina chickadees and did all my field work in the hybrid zone in Henry County, MO (Sparrowfoot Park and Clinton) in 2021-2023. Can confirm (with the genetic data to back it up) that neither song nor morphological characteristics are good indicators of whether a chickadee is Black-capped, Carolina, or of mixed ancestry. In Sparrowfoot Park, most chickadees were 'bilingual' (would switch back and forth between species-typical BCCH and species-typical CACH song) and many also sang intermediate song variants; when the genetic work was completed, Sparrowfoot turned out to be mostly a combination of pure Carolina chickadees (which all, at some point, sang textbook BCCH song) and hybrids. Another location in Clinton had chickadees that sang almost exclusively BCCH-typical song, but had a range of genetic backgrounds from pure BCCH to majority-CACH individuals. Additionally, from a preliminary scan of the morphological data, the differences in body measurements that could be attributed to species was far less than could be attributed to sex (with males across genetic backgrounds larger and heavier than females).
All this to say, I'm of the belief that geography is a far better predictor of chickadee species than Merlin's sound-based ID, and even than the eye/ear of a trained birder. In addition to having been a MO birder for ~15 years, I have held pure BCCH and pure CACH in my hand within the span of a few days, purposefully looking for the established field marks, and am absolutely not convinced that I could tell them apart through binoculars in the field. And if you're in (or think you're near) the hybrid zone, all bets are off and in my opinion all chickadees sighted should be listed as Black-capped/Carolina chickadee.

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Date: 3/27/24 7:17 pm
From: Edge Wade <1edgewade...>
Subject: Re: Long-tailed Duck ... Platte County
That kind of excitement illustrates why birding is not for little old
ladies in tennis shoes...which is why I wear boots.
Edge


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> I had an interesting and disappointing experience about an hour ago. I
> went to the lake in front of the Marriott Hotel near KCI airport where Lisa
> Owens had found a Long-tailed Duck yesterday...possibly the first Platte
> County, MO record? Anyway, I stopped on a highway off-ramp in front of the
> hotel and lake where I could see around 85 Lesser Scaup. I spied the
> Long-tailed Duck and needed to turn my van around to scope it. That made
> me look like I *might* go down the off-ramp and into head-on traffic. (I
> was parked in a gravel pull off spot though..no safety concern).
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> I quickly got my scope equipped with my phone and had just taken a
> picture. A police man arrived, I paused and told him what I was doing...no
> problem. I tried to get another pic or two...and another truck pulled up
> and said he was going to be shooting pyro techniques to scare away all the
> waterfowl. They didn't want them around and any Bald Eagles from being near
> the airport. No sooner had he pulled away, after a couple more pics,
> another policeman pulled up and I explained again. We then hear the scare
> tactics being shot and the Long-tailed Duck and rest of the waterfowl left
> the area.
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> Will it return...maybe? But that was a lot of interaction within about 10
> minutes or so! I was glad I arrived when I did or I would have definitely
> missed it if I was any later...
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Date: 3/27/24 12:58 pm
From: Shelby Palmer <spalmer1998...>
Subject: Re: Merlin and chickadee identification
The question of the hybrid zone width across its length is tricky because of the lack of genetic work anywhere besides west-central MO and east PA. As Jay said, 15-20 km is the estimate made by Mark Robbins and colleagues' work (and supported by my data) in west-central MO. To my knowledge, no genetic work has been published to inform us as to whether that estimate can be extrapolated to east MO. It would be cool to expand genetic sampling efforts eastward to help us zero in on where the hybrid zone is relative to the Missouri River (and to make birders' lives easier).
As far as the chickadee ID issue goes, I mostly jumped in here to support Edge's original statement with recent empirical data. Chickadees most definitely learn their songs from nearby neighbors, which—combined with the genetic hybridization—makes identification to species in and near the zone basically a shot in the dark. Well outside of the zone, I do believe species identifications should stay true to the range maps, even though Merlin may sometimes say otherwise.


Shelby Palmer
PhD Student
Dept. of Biology
University of Florida
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Details on the paper I mentioned:


Alexander, A., M. B. Robbins, J. Holmes, R. G. Moyle, and A. T. Peterson (2022). Limited movement of an avian hybrid zone in relation to regional variation in magnitude of climate change. Molecular Ecology 31:6634–6648.

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Abstract

Studies of natural hybrid zones can provide documentation of range shifts in response to climate change and identify loci important to reproductive isolation. Using a temporal (36–38 years) comparison of the black-capped (Poecile atricapillus) and Carolina (P. carolinensis) chickadee hybrid zone, we investigated movement of the western portion of the zone (western Missouri) and assessed whether loci and pathways underpinning reproductive isolation were similar to those in the eastern portion of the hybrid zone. Using 92 birds sampled along the hybrid zone transect in 2016 and 68 birds sampled between 1978 and 1980, we generated 11,669 SNPs via ddRADseq. These SNPs were used to assess movement of the hybrid zone through time and to evaluate variation in introgression among loci. We demonstrate that the interface has moved ~5 km to the northwest over the last 36–38 years, that is, at only one-fifth the rate at which the eastern portion (e.g., Pennsylvania, Ohio) of the hybrid zone has moved. Temperature trends over the last 38 years reveal that eastern areas have warmed 50% more than western areas in terms of annual mean temperature, possibly providing an explanation for the slower movement of the hybrid zone in Missouri. Our results suggest hybrid zone movement in broadly distributed species, such as chickadees, will vary between areas in response to local differences in the impacts of climate change.

On Wed, Mar 27, 2024 at 12:48 PM Jay McEntee <jaymcentee...><mailto:<jaymcentee...>> wrote:
The best evidence on the current position of the hybrid zone in western MO, and on its movement over time, is in a paper which I'm attempting to attach here (but suspect won't make it through to the listserv). To my knowledge, central and eastern Missouri continue to be more of a mystery as there has been little genetic data collected.

The hybrid zone is indeed narrow where it's been measured (depending on how you calculate it, <20 km in western MO), but its position is varying over time, and 'species-typical' songs might make it further into the range of the other species than genes do, as mentioned. I think that's part of Shelby's suggested caution about ID (human and Merlin) in the vicinity of the zone. Even if you're not technically in the hybrid zone, you might hear a single song and conclude you've heard a Black-capped when you've heard a Carolina Chickadee that's incorporated Black-capped song into its repertoire. So the confusion generated by contact between the two species has a greater width than the hybrid zone itself.

While the hybrid zone is narrow, many of the birds within hybrid zone populations are hybrids, in that they have mixed genetic ancestry (including not just F1s but later-generation hybrids and/or backcrossed individuals).

On Wed, Mar 27, 2024 at 11:51 AM David Becher <davidbecher...><mailto:<davidbecher...>> wrote:

The hybrid zone is fairly narrow. I saw a study done at Hawk Mountain years ago, which found that the fledging success of mixed pairs was about 10% of that of homogeneous ones. This suggests that the actual number of hybrids may be small. Only DNA testing would show for sure. Bird songs are at least partially learned, so birds growing up in a mixed population might well sing intermediate songs. Also, since birds of the two species are presumably competitive it would make sense that they would react to each other’s songs. Species are in the end artificial human constructions. In nature, there are only breeding populations. I believe that it is easy to over think these issues. If the birds do not always care, why should we.



David Becher

Saint Louis



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Subject: Re: Merlin and chickadee identification



Well,



If there is a consensus that at least all mid Missouri Chickadees should be changed in Ebird, please post out here and it will reach other birders.



Before Metlin I had based on my own ear considered my yard in Jefferson City Carolinas, but if it takes DNA to confirm I will be glad to change my lists.



I always found it interesting that Merlin did say mine were Carolinas but less than 30 miles north Eagle Bluffs were Black Capped.



Thanks,

Steve Griffaw

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Date: 3/27/24 9:02 AM (GMT-06:00)

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Subject: Re: Merlin and chickadee identification



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I'm glad to see this conversation happening, as I've also noticed quite a few chickadee observations (of both species) that are pretty well out of range on the MO eBird rare bird alert emails. I did my master's thesis at MSU on the relationship between song and genetic ancestry in Black-capped/Carolina chickadees and did all my field work in the hybrid zone in Henry County, MO (Sparrowfoot Park and Clinton) in 2021-2023. Can confirm (with the genetic data to back it up) that neither song nor morphological characteristics are good indicators of whether a chickadee is Black-capped, Carolina, or of mixed ancestry. In Sparrowfoot Park, most chickadees were 'bilingual' (would switch back and forth between species-typical BCCH and species-typical CACH song) and many also sang intermediate song variants; when the genetic work was completed, Sparrowfoot turned out to be mostly a combination of pure Carolina chickadees (which all, at some point, sang textbook BCCH song) and hybrids. Another location in Clinton had chickadees that sang almost exclusively BCCH-typical song, but had a range of genetic backgrounds from pure BCCH to majority-CACH individuals. Additionally, from a preliminary scan of the morphological data, the differences in body measurements that could be attributed to species was far less than could be attributed to sex (with males across genetic backgrounds larger and heavier than females).
All this to say, I'm of the belief that geography is a far better predictor of chickadee species than Merlin's sound-based ID, and even than the eye/ear of a trained birder. In addition to having been a MO birder for ~15 years, I have held pure BCCH and pure CACH in my hand within the span of a few days, purposefully looking for the established field marks, and am absolutely not convinced that I could tell them apart through binoculars in the field. And if you're in (or think you're near) the hybrid zone, all bets are off and in my opinion all chickadees sighted should be listed as Black-capped/Carolina chickadee.

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Date: 3/27/24 12:49 pm
From: David Becher <davidbecher...>
Subject: Re: Merlin and chickadee identification
Very interesting. My personal experience suggests that the movement in the St. Louis area has been much more rapid, although my opinion is based only on observations rather than DNA evidence. Forty years ago, the chickadees at Busch Wildlife appeared to be mostly Black-capped (although probably some hybrid characteristics were present). Today, I do not expect to find them much south of Elsberry, quite a bit further north. There do seem to be some pockets of birds with more Black-capped characters further south. It is possible that there is some habitat based separation as well as the overall line.

Without DNA testing it is impossible to determine what percentage of Black-capped vs Carolina Chickadee ancestry a bird may have. If first generation hybrids are less fit than pure bred birds, then the second generation should contain mostly back-crosses, which would presumably be more fit that the first-generation hybrids. The result would be a mixture of birds with various degrees of ancestry and probably a variation with a small amount of admixture at the north and south and more in the middle of the zone. Since the birds are very similar (and not even closest relatives, since Black-capped is apparently more closely related to Mountain with which it also hybridizes, we should probably just call them chickadees.

In the end it does not matter. The birds will do what they do and they do not care about out opinions.

David Becher
Saint Louis

From: Missouri Wild Bird Forum <MOBIRDS-L...> On Behalf Of Jay McEntee
Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2024 12:53 PM
To: <MOBIRDS-L...>
Subject: Re: Merlin and chickadee identification


Details on the paper I mentioned:



Alexander, A., M. B. Robbins, J. Holmes, R. G. Moyle, and A. T. Peterson (2022). Limited movement of an avian hybrid zone in relation to regional variation in magnitude of climate change. Molecular Ecology 31:6634–6648.

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Abstract

Studies of natural hybrid zones can provide documentation of range shifts in response to climate change and identify loci important to reproductive isolation. Using a temporal (36–38 years) comparison of the black-capped (Poecile atricapillus) and Carolina (P. carolinensis) chickadee hybrid zone, we investigated movement of the western portion of the zone (western Missouri) and assessed whether loci and pathways underpinning reproductive isolation were similar to those in the eastern portion of the hybrid zone. Using 92 birds sampled along the hybrid zone transect in 2016 and 68 birds sampled between 1978 and 1980, we generated 11,669 SNPs via ddRADseq. These SNPs were used to assess movement of the hybrid zone through time and to evaluate variation in introgression among loci. We demonstrate that the interface has moved ~5 km to the northwest over the last 36–38 years, that is, at only one-fifth the rate at which the eastern portion (e.g., Pennsylvania, Ohio) of the hybrid zone has moved. Temperature trends over the last 38 years reveal that eastern areas have warmed 50% more than western areas in terms of annual mean temperature, possibly providing an explanation for the slower movement of the hybrid zone in Missouri. Our results suggest hybrid zone movement in broadly distributed species, such as chickadees, will vary between areas in response to local differences in the impacts of climate change.

On Wed, Mar 27, 2024 at 12:48 PM Jay McEntee <jaymcentee...><mailto:<jaymcentee...>> wrote:
The best evidence on the current position of the hybrid zone in western MO, and on its movement over time, is in a paper which I'm attempting to attach here (but suspect won't make it through to the listserv). To my knowledge, central and eastern Missouri continue to be more of a mystery as there has been little genetic data collected.

The hybrid zone is indeed narrow where it's been measured (depending on how you calculate it, <20 km in western MO), but its position is varying over time, and 'species-typical' songs might make it further into the range of the other species than genes do, as mentioned. I think that's part of Shelby's suggested caution about ID (human and Merlin) in the vicinity of the zone. Even if you're not technically in the hybrid zone, you might hear a single song and conclude you've heard a Black-capped when you've heard a Carolina Chickadee that's incorporated Black-capped song into its repertoire. So the confusion generated by contact between the two species has a greater width than the hybrid zone itself.

While the hybrid zone is narrow, many of the birds within hybrid zone populations are hybrids, in that they have mixed genetic ancestry (including not just F1s but later-generation hybrids and/or backcrossed individuals).

On Wed, Mar 27, 2024 at 11:51 AM David Becher <davidbecher...><mailto:<davidbecher...>> wrote:
The hybrid zone is fairly narrow. I saw a study done at Hawk Mountain years ago, which found that the fledging success of mixed pairs was about 10% of that of homogeneous ones. This suggests that the actual number of hybrids may be small. Only DNA testing would show for sure. Bird songs are at least partially learned, so birds growing up in a mixed population might well sing intermediate songs. Also, since birds of the two species are presumably competitive it would make sense that they would react to each other’s songs. Species are in the end artificial human constructions. In nature, there are only breeding populations. I believe that it is easy to over think these issues. If the birds do not always care, why should we.

David Becher
Saint Louis

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Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2024 11:39 AM
To: <MOBIRDS-L...><mailto:<MOBIRDS-L...>
Subject: Re: Merlin and chickadee identification

Well,

If there is a consensus that at least all mid Missouri Chickadees should be changed in Ebird, please post out here and it will reach other birders.

Before Metlin I had based on my own ear considered my yard in Jefferson City Carolinas, but if it takes DNA to confirm I will be glad to change my lists.

I always found it interesting that Merlin did say mine were Carolinas but less than 30 miles north Eagle Bluffs were Black Capped.

Thanks,
Steve Griffaw
<Sgg.bluesfan...><mailto:<Sgg.bluesfan...>
Jefferson City MO



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From: Shelby Palmer <spalmer1998...><mailto:<spalmer1998...>>
Date: 3/27/24 9:02 AM (GMT-06:00)
To: <MOBIRDS-L...><mailto:<MOBIRDS-L...>
Subject: Re: Merlin and chickadee identification

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I'm glad to see this conversation happening, as I've also noticed quite a few chickadee observations (of both species) that are pretty well out of range on the MO eBird rare bird alert emails. I did my master's thesis at MSU on the relationship between song and genetic ancestry in Black-capped/Carolina chickadees and did all my field work in the hybrid zone in Henry County, MO (Sparrowfoot Park and Clinton) in 2021-2023. Can confirm (with the genetic data to back it up) that neither song nor morphological characteristics are good indicators of whether a chickadee is Black-capped, Carolina, or of mixed ancestry. In Sparrowfoot Park, most chickadees were 'bilingual' (would switch back and forth between species-typical BCCH and species-typical CACH song) and many also sang intermediate song variants; when the genetic work was completed, Sparrowfoot turned out to be mostly a combination of pure Carolina chickadees (which all, at some point, sang textbook BCCH song) and hybrids. Another location in Clinton had chickadees that sang almost exclusively BCCH-typical song, but had a range of genetic backgrounds from pure BCCH to majority-CACH individuals. Additionally, from a preliminary scan of the morphological data, the differences in body measurements that could be attributed to species was far less than could be attributed to sex (with males across genetic backgrounds larger and heavier than females).
All this to say, I'm of the belief that geography is a far better predictor of chickadee species than Merlin's sound-based ID, and even than the eye/ear of a trained birder. In addition to having been a MO birder for ~15 years, I have held pure BCCH and pure CACH in my hand within the span of a few days, purposefully looking for the established field marks, and am absolutely not convinced that I could tell them apart through binoculars in the field. And if you're in (or think you're near) the hybrid zone, all bets are off and in my opinion all chickadees sighted should be listed as Black-capped/Carolina chickadee.

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Date: 3/27/24 12:46 pm
From: Terry Miller <millert832...>
Subject: Long-tailed Duck ... Platte County
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I had an interesting and disappointing experience about an hour ago. I went to the lake in front of the Marriott Hotel near KCI airport where Lisa Owens had found a Long-tailed Duck yesterday...possibly the first Platte County, MO record? Anyway, I stopped on a highway off-ramp in front of the hotel and lake where I could see around 85 Lesser Scaup. I spied the Long-tailed Duck and needed to turn my van around to scope it. That made me look like I might go down the off-ramp and into head-on traffic. (I was parked in a gravel pull off spot though..no safety concern).

I quickly got my scope equipped with my phone and had just taken a picture. A police man arrived, I paused and told him what I was doing...no problem. I tried to get another pic or two...and another truck pulled up and said he was going to be shooting pyro techniques to scare away all the waterfowl. They didn't want them around and any Bald Eagles from being near the airport. No sooner had he pulled away, after a couple more pics, another policeman pulled up and I explained again. We then hear the scare tactics being shot and the Long-tailed Duck and rest of the waterfowl left the area.

Will it return...maybe? But that was a lot of interaction within about 10 minutes or so! I was glad I arrived when I did or I would have definitely missed it if I was any later...

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Date: 3/27/24 12:44 pm
From: Alicia Todaro <todaro...>
Subject: Re: Proposed Solar Farm Near Montrose and Settle’s Ford Conservation Areas
Thanks for sharing this information, what is the stance from the
conservation department? Have they weighed in? How does this even
happen 😕

On Wed, Mar 27, 2024 at 1:35 PM Valerie Dent <rdent...> wrote:

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> Are you able to explain why the KCP&L land cannot be bored into?
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> On 2024-03-26 9:26 pm, Edge Wade wrote:
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> > This is a summary of limited information about a solar farm project
> > that has been developing for about four years with little information
> > conveyed to the public. It is placed on Mobirds-L as an informational
> > piece of potential interest to Missouri birders.
> >
> > A solar energy project proposed in Henry County could eventually
> > cover up to a 46 square mile area between Settle’s Ford and Montrose
> > conservation areas.
> >
> > Beavertail Solar and Ranger Power have already obtained leases by
> > area farmers, and the Henry County Commission, despite opposition by
> > area residents, appears to be highly favorable toward the project
> > which, if approved, would bring $1,000,000 to the county coffers
> > annually.
> >
> > If approved, solar panels will be placed on agricultural land. The
> > abandoned KCP&L property is not available for this project because
> > the contaminated land cannot be bored into to provide the base
> > supports for the panels.
> >
> > Henry County, like many rural Missouri counties, voted not to have
> > countywide planning and zoning several years ago. Some townships
> > within the county do have zoning in place. Davis Township, the area
> > of focus for the initial project installations, does not have zoning
> > regulations. Additional townships anticipated to be affected include
> > Walker and White Oak in Henry County and Spruce in Bates County.
> >
> > Ranger Power, with a record of more than 75 similar projects across
> > the United States, is spearheading the project. At a town hall
> > meeting in February, citizens raised many concerns. The
> > representative from Ranger Power answered questions and attempted to
> > reassure attendees that they would benefit from the project because of
> > low predictable costs of production of solar energy after the high
> > initial construction costs. He was unable to explain specifically how
> > the lower production costs for power sold to an undisclosed energy
> > company already under contract would translate to the citizens’
> > lower bills.
> >
> > The Ranger Power representative assured the citizens that the company
> > would be under close scrutiny of state and federal agencies and in
> > compliance with regulations of MDC, DNR, Fish and Wildlife Service and
> > the Army Corps of Engineers. He said they were conducting studies of
> > the effects of the project on habitats such as wetlands and
> > “conducting bird counts”.
> >
> > There are many unanswered questions. Among legal issues is a
> > provision that eminent domain may be applied to acquire additional
> > land adjacent to project land if a threshold of power production is
> > reached.
> >
> > State agencies and not-profit organizations are newly aware of this
> > impending potentially highly impactful solar farm project.
> >
> > The town hall meeting was videotaped, and is on YouTube:
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Date: 3/27/24 11:41 am
From: Jay McEntee <jaymcentee...>
Subject: Re: Merlin and chickadee identification
Details on the paper I mentioned:


Alexander, A., M. B. Robbins, J. Holmes, R. G. Moyle, and A. T. Peterson
(2022). Limited movement of an avian hybrid zone in relation to regional
variation in magnitude of climate change. Molecular Ecology 31:6634–6648.

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Abstract

Studies of natural hybrid zones can provide documentation of range shifts
in response to climate change and identify loci important to reproductive
isolation. Using a temporal (36–38 years) comparison of the
black-capped (*Poecile
atricapillus*) and Carolina (*P. carolinensis*) chickadee hybrid zone, we
investigated movement of the western portion of the zone (western Missouri)
and assessed whether loci and pathways underpinning reproductive isolation
were similar to those in the eastern portion of the hybrid zone. Using 92
birds sampled along the hybrid zone transect in 2016 and 68 birds sampled
between 1978 and 1980, we generated 11,669 SNPs via ddRADseq. These SNPs
were used to assess movement of the hybrid zone through time and to
evaluate variation in introgression among loci. We demonstrate that the
interface has moved ~5 km to the northwest over the last 36–38 years, that
is, at only one-fifth the rate at which the eastern portion (e.g.,
Pennsylvania, Ohio) of the hybrid zone has moved. Temperature trends over
the last 38 years reveal that eastern areas have warmed 50% more than
western areas in terms of annual mean temperature, possibly providing an
explanation for the slower movement of the hybrid zone in Missouri. Our
results suggest hybrid zone movement in broadly distributed species, such
as chickadees, will vary between areas in response to local differences in
the impacts of climate change.

On Wed, Mar 27, 2024 at 12:48 PM Jay McEntee <jaymcentee...> wrote:

> The best evidence on the current position of the hybrid zone in western
> MO, and on its movement over time, is in a paper which I'm attempting to
> attach here (but suspect won't make it through to the listserv). To my
> knowledge, central and eastern Missouri continue to be more of a mystery as
> there has been little genetic data collected.
>
> The hybrid zone is indeed narrow where it's been measured (depending on
> how you calculate it, <20 km in western MO), but its position is varying
> over time, and 'species-typical' songs might make it further into the range
> of the other species than genes do, as mentioned. I think that's part of
> Shelby's suggested caution about ID (human and Merlin) in the vicinity of
> the zone. Even if you're not technically in the hybrid zone, you might hear
> a single song and conclude you've heard a Black-capped when you've heard a
> Carolina Chickadee that's incorporated Black-capped song into its
> repertoire. So the confusion generated by contact between the two species
> has a greater width than the hybrid zone itself.
>
> While the hybrid zone is narrow, many of the birds within hybrid zone
> populations are hybrids, in that they have mixed genetic ancestry
> (including not just F1s but later-generation hybrids and/or backcrossed
> individuals).
>
> On Wed, Mar 27, 2024 at 11:51 AM David Becher <davidbecher...> wrote:
>
>> The hybrid zone is fairly narrow. I saw a study done at Hawk Mountain
>> years ago, which found that the fledging success of mixed pairs was about
>> 10% of that of homogeneous ones. This suggests that the actual number of
>> hybrids may be small. Only DNA testing would show for sure. Bird songs
>> are at least partially learned, so birds growing up in a mixed population
>> might well sing intermediate songs. Also, since birds of the two species
>> are presumably competitive it would make sense that they would react to
>> each other’s songs. Species are in the end artificial human
>> constructions. In nature, there are only breeding populations. I believe
>> that it is easy to over think these issues. If the birds do not always
>> care, why should we.
>>
>>
>>
>> David Becher
>>
>> Saint Louis
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Missouri Wild Bird Forum <MOBIRDS-L...> *On Behalf
>> Of *sgg.bluesfan
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 27, 2024 11:39 AM
>> *To:* <MOBIRDS-L...>
>> *Subject:* Re: Merlin and chickadee identification
>>
>>
>>
>> Well,
>>
>>
>>
>> If there is a consensus that at least all mid Missouri Chickadees should
>> be changed in Ebird, please post out here and it will reach other birders.
>>
>>
>>
>> Before Metlin I had based on my own ear considered my yard in Jefferson
>> City Carolinas, but if it takes DNA to confirm I will be glad to change my
>> lists.
>>
>>
>>
>> I always found it interesting that Merlin did say mine were Carolinas but
>> less than 30 miles north Eagle Bluffs were Black Capped.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Steve Griffaw
>>
>> <Sgg.bluesfan...>
>>
>> Jefferson City MO
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S21+ 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -------- Original message --------
>>
>> From: Shelby Palmer <spalmer1998...>
>>
>> Date: 3/27/24 9:02 AM (GMT-06:00)
>>
>> To: <MOBIRDS-L...>
>>
>> Subject: Re: Merlin and chickadee identification
>>
>>
>>
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>> I'm glad to see this conversation happening, as I've also noticed quite a
>> few chickadee observations (of both species) that are pretty well out of
>> range on the MO eBird rare bird alert emails. I did my master's thesis at
>> MSU on the relationship between song and genetic ancestry in
>> Black-capped/Carolina chickadees and did all my field work in the hybrid
>> zone in Henry County, MO (Sparrowfoot Park and Clinton) in 2021-2023. Can
>> confirm (with the genetic data to back it up) that neither song nor
>> morphological characteristics are good indicators of whether a chickadee is
>> Black-capped, Carolina, or of mixed ancestry. In Sparrowfoot Park, most
>> chickadees were 'bilingual' (would switch back and forth between
>> species-typical BCCH and species-typical CACH song) and many also sang
>> intermediate song variants; when the genetic work was completed,
>> Sparrowfoot turned out to be mostly a combination of pure Carolina
>> chickadees (which all, at some point, sang textbook BCCH song) and hybrids.
>> Another location in Clinton had chickadees that sang almost exclusively
>> BCCH-typical song, but had a range of genetic backgrounds from pure BCCH to
>> majority-CACH individuals. Additionally, from a preliminary scan of the
>> morphological data, the differences in body measurements that could be
>> attributed to species was far less than could be attributed to sex (with
>> males across genetic backgrounds larger and heavier than females).
>> All this to say, I'm of the belief that geography is a far better
>> predictor of chickadee species than Merlin's sound-based ID, and even than
>> the eye/ear of a trained birder. In addition to having been a MO birder for
>> ~15 years, I have held pure BCCH and pure CACH in my hand within the span
>> of a few days, purposefully looking for the established field marks, and am
>> absolutely not convinced that I could tell them apart through binoculars in
>> the field. And if you're in (or think you're near) the hybrid zone, all
>> bets are off and in my opinion all chickadees sighted should be listed as
>> Black-capped/Carolina chickadee.
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Date: 3/27/24 11:35 am
From: Valerie Dent <rdent...>
Subject: Re: Proposed Solar Farm Near Montrose and Settle’s Ford Conservation Areas
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Edge,

Are you able to explain why the KCP&L land cannot be bored into?


Valerie Dent
(Benton County)


On 2024-03-26 9:26 pm, Edge Wade wrote:
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> This is a summary of limited information about a solar farm project
> that has been developing for about four years with little information
> conveyed to the public. It is placed on Mobirds-L as an informational
> piece of potential interest to Missouri birders.
>
> A solar energy project proposed in Henry County could eventually
> cover up to a 46 square mile area between Settle’s Ford and Montrose
> conservation areas.
>
> Beavertail Solar and Ranger Power have already obtained leases by
> area farmers, and the Henry County Commission, despite opposition by
> area residents, appears to be highly favorable toward the project
> which, if approved, would bring $1,000,000 to the county coffers
> annually.
>
> If approved, solar panels will be placed on agricultural land. The
> abandoned KCP&L property is not available for this project because
> the contaminated land cannot be bored into to provide the base
> supports for the panels.
>
> Henry County, like many rural Missouri counties, voted not to have
> countywide planning and zoning several years ago. Some townships
> within the county do have zoning in place. Davis Township, the area
> of focus for the initial project installations, does not have zoning
> regulations. Additional townships anticipated to be affected include
> Walker and White Oak in Henry County and Spruce in Bates County.
>
> Ranger Power, with a record of more than 75 similar projects across
> the United States, is spearheading the project. At a town hall
> meeting in February, citizens raised many concerns. The
> representative from Ranger Power answered questions and attempted to
> reassure attendees that they would benefit from the project because of
> low predictable costs of production of solar energy after the high
> initial construction costs. He was unable to explain specifically how
> the lower production costs for power sold to an undisclosed energy
> company already under contract would translate to the citizens’
> lower bills.
>
> The Ranger Power representative assured the citizens that the company
> would be under close scrutiny of state and federal agencies and in
> compliance with regulations of MDC, DNR, Fish and Wildlife Service and
> the Army Corps of Engineers. He said they were conducting studies of
> the effects of the project on habitats such as wetlands and
> “conducting bird counts”.
>
> There are many unanswered questions. Among legal issues is a
> provision that eminent domain may be applied to acquire additional
> land adjacent to project land if a threshold of power production is
> reached.
>
> State agencies and not-profit organizations are newly aware of this
> impending potentially highly impactful solar farm project.
>
> The town hall meeting was videotaped, and is on YouTube:
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Date: 3/27/24 11:33 am
From: Valerie Dent <rdent...>
Subject: Re: Merlin and chickadee identification
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So back-crossing does occur?? That is interesting. We are in "the
zone" and had a nest that fledged 7 young in 2022

Valerie Dent
Benton County


On 2024-03-27 12:41 pm, Jay McEntee wrote:
> The best evidence on the current position of the hybrid zone in
> western MO, and on its movement over time, is in a paper which I'm
> attempting to attach here (but suspect won't make it through to the
> listserv). To my knowledge, central and eastern Missouri continue to
> be more of a mystery as there has been little genetic data collected.
>
> The hybrid zone is indeed narrow where it's been measured (depending
> on how you calculate it, <20 km in western MO), but its position is
> varying over time, and 'species-typical' songs might make it further
> into the range of the other species than genes do, as mentioned. I
> think that's part of Shelby's suggested caution about ID (human and
> Merlin) in the vicinity of the zone. Even if you're not technically in
> the hybrid zone, you might hear a single song and conclude you've
> heard a Black-capped when you've heard a Carolina Chickadee that's
> incorporated Black-capped song into its repertoire. So the confusion
> generated by contact between the two species has a greater width than
> the hybrid zone itself.
>
> While the hybrid zone is narrow, many of the birds within hybrid zone
> populations are hybrids, in that they have mixed genetic ancestry
> (including not just F1s but later-generation hybrids and/or
> backcrossed individuals).
>
> On Wed, Mar 27, 2024 at 11:51 AM David Becher <davidbecher...>
> wrote:
>
>> The hybrid zone is fairly narrow. I saw a study done at Hawk
>> Mountain years ago, which found that the fledging success of mixed
>> pairs was about 10% of that of homogeneous ones. This suggests that
>> the actual number of hybrids may be small. Only DNA testing would
>> show for sure. Bird songs are at least partially learned, so birds
>> growing up in a mixed population might well sing intermediate songs.
>> Also, since birds of the two species are presumably competitive it
>> would make sense that they would react to each other’s songs.
>> Species are in the end artificial human constructions. In nature,
>> there are only breeding populations. I believe that it is easy to
>> over think these issues. If the birds do not always care, why
>> should we.
>>
>> David Becher
>>
>> Saint Louis
>>
>> From: Missouri Wild Bird Forum <MOBIRDS-L...> On Behalf
>> Of sgg.bluesfan
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2024 11:39 AM
>> To: <MOBIRDS-L...>
>> Subject: Re: Merlin and chickadee identification
>>
>> Well,
>>
>> If there is a consensus that at least all mid Missouri Chickadees
>> should be changed in Ebird, please post out here and it will reach
>> other birders.
>>
>> Before Metlin I had based on my own ear considered my yard in
>> Jefferson City Carolinas, but if it takes DNA to confirm I will be
>> glad to change my lists.
>>
>> I always found it interesting that Merlin did say mine were
>> Carolinas but less than 30 miles north Eagle Bluffs were Black
>> Capped.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Steve Griffaw
>>
>> <Sgg.bluesfan...>
>>
>> Jefferson City MO
>>
>> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S21+ 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone
>>
>> -------- Original message --------
>>
>> From: Shelby Palmer <spalmer1998...>
>>
>> Date: 3/27/24 9:02 AM (GMT-06:00)
>>
>> To: <MOBIRDS-L...>
>>
>> Subject: Re: Merlin and chickadee identification
>>
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>> I'm glad to see this conversation happening, as I've also noticed
>> quite a few chickadee observations (of both species) that are pretty
>> well out of range on the MO eBird rare bird alert emails. I did my
>> master's thesis at MSU on the relationship between song and genetic
>> ancestry in Black-capped/Carolina chickadees and did all my field
>> work in the hybrid zone in Henry County, MO (Sparrowfoot Park and
>> Clinton) in 2021-2023. Can confirm (with the genetic data to back it
>> up) that neither song nor morphological characteristics are good
>> indicators of whether a chickadee is Black-capped, Carolina, or of
>> mixed ancestry. In Sparrowfoot Park, most chickadees were
>> 'bilingual' (would switch back and forth between species-typical
>> BCCH and species-typical CACH song) and many also sang intermediate
>> song variants; when the genetic work was completed, Sparrowfoot
>> turned out to be mostly a combination of pure Carolina chickadees
>> (which all, at some point, sang textbook BCCH song) and hybrids.
>> Another location in Clinton had chickadees that sang almost
>> exclusively BCCH-typical song, but had a range of genetic
>> backgrounds from pure BCCH to majority-CACH individuals.
>> Additionally, from a preliminary scan of the morphological data, the
>> differences in body measurements that could be attributed to species
>> was far less than could be attributed to sex (with males across
>> genetic backgrounds larger and heavier than females).
>> All this to say, I'm of the belief that geography is a far better
>> predictor of chickadee species than Merlin's sound-based ID, and
>> even than the eye/ear of a trained birder. In addition to having
>> been a MO birder for ~15 years, I have held pure BCCH and pure CACH
>> in my hand within the span of a few days, purposefully looking for
>> the established field marks, and am absolutely not convinced that I
>> could tell them apart through binoculars in the field. And if you're
>> in (or think you're near) the hybrid zone, all bets are off and in
>> my opinion all chickadees sighted should be listed as
>> Black-capped/Carolina chickadee.
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Date: 3/27/24 11:19 am
From: Jay McEntee <jaymcentee...>
Subject: Re: Merlin and chickadee identification
The best evidence on the current position of the hybrid zone in western MO,
and on its movement over time, is in a paper which I'm attempting to attach
here (but suspect won't make it through to the listserv). To my knowledge,
central and eastern Missouri continue to be more of a mystery as there has
been little genetic data collected.

The hybrid zone is indeed narrow where it's been measured (depending on how
you calculate it, <20 km in western MO), but its position is varying over
time, and 'species-typical' songs might make it further into the range of
the other species than genes do, as mentioned. I think that's part of
Shelby's suggested caution about ID (human and Merlin) in the vicinity of
the zone. Even if you're not technically in the hybrid zone, you might hear
a single song and conclude you've heard a Black-capped when you've heard a
Carolina Chickadee that's incorporated Black-capped song into its
repertoire. So the confusion generated by contact between the two species
has a greater width than the hybrid zone itself.

While the hybrid zone is narrow, many of the birds within hybrid zone
populations are hybrids, in that they have mixed genetic ancestry
(including not just F1s but later-generation hybrids and/or backcrossed
individuals).

On Wed, Mar 27, 2024 at 11:51 AM David Becher <davidbecher...> wrote:

> The hybrid zone is fairly narrow. I saw a study done at Hawk Mountain
> years ago, which found that the fledging success of mixed pairs was about
> 10% of that of homogeneous ones. This suggests that the actual number of
> hybrids may be small. Only DNA testing would show for sure. Bird songs
> are at least partially learned, so birds growing up in a mixed population
> might well sing intermediate songs. Also, since birds of the two species
> are presumably competitive it would make sense that they would react to
> each other’s songs. Species are in the end artificial human
> constructions. In nature, there are only breeding populations. I believe
> that it is easy to over think these issues. If the birds do not always
> care, why should we.
>
>
>
> David Becher
>
> Saint Louis
>
>
>
> *From:* Missouri Wild Bird Forum <MOBIRDS-L...> *On Behalf
> Of *sgg.bluesfan
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 27, 2024 11:39 AM
> *To:* <MOBIRDS-L...>
> *Subject:* Re: Merlin and chickadee identification
>
>
>
> Well,
>
>
>
> If there is a consensus that at least all mid Missouri Chickadees should
> be changed in Ebird, please post out here and it will reach other birders.
>
>
>
> Before Metlin I had based on my own ear considered my yard in Jefferson
> City Carolinas, but if it takes DNA to confirm I will be glad to change my
> lists.
>
>
>
> I always found it interesting that Merlin did say mine were Carolinas but
> less than 30 miles north Eagle Bluffs were Black Capped.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Steve Griffaw
>
> <Sgg.bluesfan...>
>
> Jefferson City MO
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
>
> From: Shelby Palmer <spalmer1998...>
>
> Date: 3/27/24 9:02 AM (GMT-06:00)
>
> To: <MOBIRDS-L...>
>
> Subject: Re: Merlin and chickadee identification
>
>
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> I'm glad to see this conversation happening, as I've also noticed quite a
> few chickadee observations (of both species) that are pretty well out of
> range on the MO eBird rare bird alert emails. I did my master's thesis at
> MSU on the relationship between song and genetic ancestry in
> Black-capped/Carolina chickadees and did all my field work in the hybrid
> zone in Henry County, MO (Sparrowfoot Park and Clinton) in 2021-2023. Can
> confirm (with the genetic data to back it up) that neither song nor
> morphological characteristics are good indicators of whether a chickadee is
> Black-capped, Carolina, or of mixed ancestry. In Sparrowfoot Park, most
> chickadees were 'bilingual' (would switch back and forth between
> species-typical BCCH and species-typical CACH song) and many also sang
> intermediate song variants; when the genetic work was completed,
> Sparrowfoot turned out to be mostly a combination of pure Carolina
> chickadees (which all, at some point, sang textbook BCCH song) and hybrids.
> Another location in Clinton had chickadees that sang almost exclusively
> BCCH-typical song, but had a range of genetic backgrounds from pure BCCH to
> majority-CACH individuals. Additionally, from a preliminary scan of the
> morphological data, the differences in body measurements that could be
> attributed to species was far less than could be attributed to sex (with
> males across genetic backgrounds larger and heavier than females).
> All this to say, I'm of the belief that geography is a far better
> predictor of chickadee species than Merlin's sound-based ID, and even than
> the eye/ear of a trained birder. In addition to having been a MO birder for
> ~15 years, I have held pure BCCH and pure CACH in my hand within the span
> of a few days, purposefully looking for the established field marks, and am
> absolutely not convinced that I could tell them apart through binoculars in
> the field. And if you're in (or think you're near) the hybrid zone, all
> bets are off and in my opinion all chickadees sighted should be listed as
> Black-capped/Carolina chickadee.
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Date: 3/27/24 9:51 am
From: David Becher <davidbecher...>
Subject: Re: Merlin and chickadee identification
The hybrid zone is fairly narrow. I saw a study done at Hawk Mountain years ago, which found that the fledging success of mixed pairs was about 10% of that of homogeneous ones. This suggests that the actual number of hybrids may be small. Only DNA testing would show for sure. Bird songs are at least partially learned, so birds growing up in a mixed population might well sing intermediate songs. Also, since birds of the two species are presumably competitive it would make sense that they would react to each other's songs. Species are in the end artificial human constructions. In nature, there are only breeding populations. I believe that it is easy to over think these issues. If the birds do not always care, why should we.

David Becher
Saint Louis

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Subject: Re: Merlin and chickadee identification

Well,

If there is a consensus that at least all mid Missouri Chickadees should be changed in Ebird, please post out here and it will reach other birders.

Before Metlin I had based on my own ear considered my yard in Jefferson City Carolinas, but if it takes DNA to confirm I will be glad to change my lists.

I always found it interesting that Merlin did say mine were Carolinas but less than 30 miles north Eagle Bluffs were Black Capped.

Thanks,
Steve Griffaw
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I'm glad to see this conversation happening, as I've also noticed quite a few chickadee observations (of both species) that are pretty well out of range on the MO eBird rare bird alert emails. I did my master's thesis at MSU on the relationship between song and genetic ancestry in Black-capped/Carolina chickadees and did all my field work in the hybrid zone in Henry County, MO (Sparrowfoot Park and Clinton) in 2021-2023. Can confirm (with the genetic data to back it up) that neither song nor morphological characteristics are good indicators of whether a chickadee is Black-capped, Carolina, or of mixed ancestry. In Sparrowfoot Park, most chickadees were 'bilingual' (would switch back and forth between species-typical BCCH and species-typical CACH song) and many also sang intermediate song variants; when the genetic work was completed, Sparrowfoot turned out to be mostly a combination of pure Carolina chickadees (which all, at some point, sang textbook BCCH song) and hybrids. Another location in Clinton had chickadees that sang almost exclusively BCCH-typical song, but had a range of genetic backgrounds from pure BCCH to majority-CACH individuals. Additionally, from a preliminary scan of the morphological data, the differences in body measurements that could be attributed to species was far less than could be attributed to sex (with males across genetic backgrounds larger and heavier than females).
All this to say, I'm of the belief that geography is a far better predictor of chickadee species than Merlin's sound-based ID, and even than the eye/ear of a trained birder. In addition to having been a MO birder for ~15 years, I have held pure BCCH and pure CACH in my hand within the span of a few days, purposefully looking for the established field marks, and am absolutely not convinced that I could tell them apart through binoculars in the field. And if you're in (or think you're near) the hybrid zone, all bets are off and in my opinion all chickadees sighted should be listed as Black-capped/Carolina chickadee.

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Date: 3/27/24 9:43 am
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Subject: Re: Eagle Bluffs Rusty Blackbirds and more
When I was at Eagle Bluffs on Sunday I saw two Rustys at the spilled grain and on Saturday two were reported as well.  So a multi day event.My first sighting in their black colors.  Oddly maybe a month ago I had one for two days in winter plumage in my backyard for extended periods.  A surprise and really cool.Thanks,Steve Griffaw <Sgg.bluesfan...> Jefferson City MOSent via the Samsung Galaxy S21+ 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone
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Paul McKenzie reports 75 Rusty Blackbirds feeding on spilled grain at the Eagle Bluffs pit toilet.


Elsewhere at Eagle Bluffs, 5,575 ducks, with huge flocks of Blue-winged Teal, 26 American Goldent-plovers, 37 Pectoral Sandpipers, 1 Greater Yellow legs (pools  8 and 10)


8 continuing Ross's Geese.


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From: sgg.bluesfan <sgg.bluesfan...>
Subject: Re: Merlin and chickadee identification
Well,If there is a consensus that at least all mid Missouri Chickadees should be changed in Ebird, please post out here and it will reach other birders.Before Metlin I had based on my own ear considered my yard in Jefferson City Carolinas, but if it takes DNA to confirm I will be glad to change my lists.I always found it interesting that Merlin did say mine were Carolinas but less than 30 miles north Eagle Bluffs were Black Capped.Thanks,Steve Griffaw <Sgg.bluesfan...> Jefferson  City MOSent via the Samsung Galaxy S21+ 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone
-------- Original message --------From: Shelby Palmer <spalmer1998...> Date: 3/27/24 9:02 AM (GMT-06:00) To: <MOBIRDS-L...> Subject: Re: Merlin and chickadee identification WARNING: This message has originated from an External Source. This may be a phishing expedition that can result in unauthorized access to our IT System. Please use proper judgment and caution when opening attachments, clicking links, or responding to this email.I'm glad to see this conversation happening, as I've also noticed quite a few chickadee observations (of both species) that are pretty well out of range on the MO eBird rare bird alert emails. I did my master's thesis at MSU on the relationship between song and genetic ancestry in Black-capped/Carolina chickadees and did all my field work in the hybrid zone in Henry County, MO (Sparrowfoot Park and Clinton) in 2021-2023. Can confirm (with the genetic data to back it up) that neither song nor morphological characteristics are good indicators of whether a chickadee is Black-capped, Carolina, or of mixed ancestry. In Sparrowfoot Park, most chickadees were 'bilingual' (would switch back and forth between species-typical BCCH and species-typical CACH song) and many also sang intermediate song variants; when the genetic work was completed, Sparrowfoot turned out to be mostly a combination of pure Carolina chickadees (which all, at some point, sang textbook BCCH song) and hybrids. Another location in Clinton had chickadees that sang almost exclusively BCCH-typical song, but had a range of genetic backgrounds from pure BCCH to majority-CACH individuals. Additionally, from a preliminary scan of the morphological data, the differences in body measurements that could be attributed to species was far less than could be attributed to sex (with males across genetic backgrounds larger and heavier than females).All this to say, I'm of the belief that geography is a far better predictor of chickadee species than Merlin's sound-based ID, and even than the eye/ear of a trained birder. In addition to having been a MO birder for ~15 years, I have held pure BCCH and pure CACH in my hand within the span of a few days, purposefully looking for the established field marks, and am absolutely not convinced that I could tell them apart through binoculars in the field. And if you're in (or think you're near) the hybrid zone, all bets are off and in my opinion all chickadees sighted should be listed as Black-capped/Carolina chickadee.------------------------------------------------------------The Missouri Birding Society's Wild Bird Discussion ForumList archives: https://po.missouri.edu/scripts/wa.exe?A0=MOBIRDS-LMBS Website: https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmobirds.org%2FQuestions&data=05%7C02%<7CMOBIRDS-L...>%7Cef77a8f6e4c9486982a008dc4e7c67fc%7Ce3fefdbef7e9401ba51a355e01b05a89%7C0%7C0%7C638471543721560826%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=k9BEz8IxJAdZ7p7hgYqGvMluY9YjMZrG3wex4dazgmM%3D&reserved=0 or comments? Email the list owners: mailto:<mobirds-l-request...> unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://po.missouri.edu/SCRIPTS/wa.exe/wa?SUBED1=mobirds-l&A=1ABA Birding Code of Ethics: https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.aba.org%2Fabout%2Fethics.htmlMBS&data=05%7C02%<7CMOBIRDS-L...>%7Cef77a8f6e4c9486982a008dc4e7c67fc%7Ce3fefdbef7e9401ba51a355e01b05a89%7C0%7C0%7C638471543721560826%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=UMHHxwueNXn1hEsuoL32U3MFvom146RQeI%2FM1bx5gbA%3D&reserved=0 Spring Meeting:  May 3 – 5, 2024 at Stoney Creek Inn, St. Joseph, MO.Details and registration: https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmobirds.org%2FMBS%2FNextMeeting.aspx&data=05%7C02%<7CMOBIRDS-L...>%7Cef77a8f6e4c9486982a008dc4e7c67fc%7Ce3fefdbef7e9401ba51a355e01b05a89%7C0%7C0%7C638471543721560826%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=KSqnY7o7wSt4laLrqhGVng6kWG3LMG7rTAaMBvrsydw%3D&reserved=0

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Date: 3/27/24 8:04 am
From: Carol Thompson <cthompson871...>
Subject: Re: Merlin and chickadee identification
Other questions to ponder concern the width of the hybrid zone. How far north is it safe to assume Black-capped and not hybrid? Are Carolinas moving further north expanding the width of the zone or pushing the zone north? I'm 15 mi N of the Missouri and hear both songs in my yard and have seen (maybe) both. And Lisa asked a good question, where exactly is the zone?

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I'm glad to see this conversation happening, as I've also noticed quite a few chickadee observations (of both species) that are pretty well out of range on the MO eBird rare bird alert emails. I did my master's thesis at MSU on the relationship between song and genetic ancestry in Black-capped/Carolina chickadees and did all my field work in the hybrid zone in Henry County, MO (Sparrowfoot Park and Clinton) in 2021-2023. Can confirm (with the genetic data to back it up) that neither song nor morphological characteristics are good indicators of whether a chickadee is Black-capped, Carolina, or of mixed ancestry. In Sparrowfoot Park, most chickadees were 'bilingual' (would switch back and forth between species-typical BCCH and species-typical CACH song) and many also sang intermediate song variants; when the genetic work was completed, Sparrowfoot turned out to be mostly a combination of pure Carolina chickadees (which all, at some point, sang textbook BCCH song) and hybrids. Another location in Clinton had chickadees that sang almost exclusively BCCH-typical song, but had a range of genetic backgrounds from pure BCCH to majority-CACH individuals. Additionally, from a preliminary scan of the morphological data, the differences in body measurements that could be attributed to species was far less than could be attributed to sex (with males across genetic backgrounds larger and heavier than females).
All this to say, I'm of the belief that geography is a far better predictor of chickadee species than Merlin's sound-based ID, and even than the eye/ear of a trained birder. In addition to having been a MO birder for ~15 years, I have held pure BCCH and pure CACH in my hand within the span of a few days, purposefully looking for the established field marks, and am absolutely not convinced that I could tell them apart through binoculars in the field. And if you're in (or think you're near) the hybrid zone, all bets are off and in my opinion all chickadees sighted should be listed as Black-capped/Carolina chickadee.

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Date: 3/27/24 7:50 am
From: Lisa Saffell <lesfstl...>
Subject: Re: Merlin and chickadee identification
Now I am questioning whether or not I should go back and change all of my sightings in my yard. Where exactly is the hybrid zone?

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> I'm glad to see this conversation happening, as I've also noticed quite a few chickadee observations (of both species) that are pretty well out of range on the MO eBird rare bird alert emails. I did my master's thesis at MSU on the relationship between song and genetic ancestry in Black-capped/Carolina chickadees and did all my field work in the hybrid zone in Henry County, MO (Sparrowfoot Park and Clinton) in 2021-2023. Can confirm (with the genetic data to back it up) that neither song nor morphological characteristics are good indicators of whether a chickadee is Black-capped, Carolina, or of mixed ancestry. In Sparrowfoot Park, most chickadees were 'bilingual' (would switch back and forth between species-typical BCCH and species-typical CACH song) and many also sang intermediate song variants; when the genetic work was completed, Sparrowfoot turned out to be mostly a combination of pure Carolina chickadees (which all, at some point, sang textbook BCCH song) and hybrids. Another location in Clinton had chickadees that sang almost exclusively BCCH-typical song, but had a range of genetic backgrounds from pure BCCH to majority-CACH individuals. Additionally, from a preliminary scan of the morphological data, the differences in body measurements that could be attributed to species was far less than could be attributed to sex (with males across genetic backgrounds larger and heavier than females).
> All this to say, I'm of the belief that geography is a far better predictor of chickadee species than Merlin's sound-based ID, and even than the eye/ear of a trained birder. In addition to having been a MO birder for ~15 years, I have held pure BCCH and pure CACH in my hand within the span of a few days, purposefully looking for the established field marks, and am absolutely not convinced that I could tell them apart through binoculars in the field. And if you're in (or think you're near) the hybrid zone, all bets are off and in my opinion all chickadees sighted should be listed as Black-capped/Carolina chickadee.
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Date: 3/27/24 7:01 am
From: Shelby Palmer <spalmer1998...>
Subject: Re: Merlin and chickadee identification
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I'm glad to see this conversation happening, as I've also noticed quite a few chickadee observations (of both species) that are pretty well out of range on the MO eBird rare bird alert emails. I did my master's thesis at MSU on the relationship between song and genetic ancestry in Black-capped/Carolina chickadees and did all my field work in the hybrid zone in Henry County, MO (Sparrowfoot Park and Clinton) in 2021-2023. Can confirm (with the genetic data to back it up) that neither song nor morphological characteristics are good indicators of whether a chickadee is Black-capped, Carolina, or of mixed ancestry. In Sparrowfoot Park, most chickadees were 'bilingual' (would switch back and forth between species-typical BCCH and species-typical CACH song) and many also sang intermediate song variants; when the genetic work was completed, Sparrowfoot turned out to be mostly a combination of pure Carolina chickadees (which all, at some point, sang textbook BCCH song) and hybrids. Another location in Clinton had chickadees that sang almost exclusively BCCH-typical song, but had a range of genetic backgrounds from pure BCCH to majority-CACH individuals. Additionally, from a preliminary scan of the morphological data, the differences in body measurements that could be attributed to species was far less than could be attributed to sex (with males across genetic backgrounds larger and heavier than females).
All this to say, I'm of the belief that geography is a far better predictor of chickadee species than Merlin's sound-based ID, and even than the eye/ear of a trained birder. In addition to having been a MO birder for ~15 years, I have held pure BCCH and pure CACH in my hand within the span of a few days, purposefully looking for the established field marks, and am absolutely not convinced that I could tell them apart through binoculars in the field. And if you're in (or think you're near) the hybrid zone, all bets are off and in my opinion all chickadees sighted should be listed as Black-capped/Carolina chickadee.

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Date: 3/26/24 8:18 pm
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Subject: Re: Proposed Solar Farm Near Montrose and Settle’s Ford Conservation Areas
Thank you for posting this Edge.  Just an FYI - in 2019 The Missouri Energy Infrastructure Conservation Siting Work Group published guidelines to minimize the impact of wind, solar and transmission infrastructure on Missouri's priority landscapes and wildlife. 
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On Tuesday, March 26, 2024 at 09:26:30 PM CDT, Edge Wade <1edgewade...> wrote:

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This is a summary of limited information about a solar farm project that has been developing for about four years with little information conveyed to the public. It is placed on Mobirds-L as an informational piece of potential interest to Missouri birders.

 

A solar energy project proposed in Henry County could eventually cover up to a 46 square mile area between Settle’s Ford and Montrose conservation areas.




Beavertail Solar and Ranger Power have already obtained leases by area farmers, and the Henry County Commission, despite opposition by area residents, appears to be highly favorable toward the project which, if approved, would bring $1,000,000 to the county coffers annually.

 

If approved, solar panels will be placed on agricultural land.  The abandoned KCP&L property is not available for this project because the contaminated land cannot be bored into to provide the base supports for the panels.

 

Henry County, like many rural Missouri counties, voted not to have countywide planning and zoning several years ago. Some townships within the county do have zoning in place.  Davis Township, the area of focus for the initial project installations, does not have zoning regulations. Additional townships anticipated to be affected include Walker and White Oak in Henry County and Spruce in Bates County.

 

Ranger Power, with a record of more than 75 similar projects across the United States, is spearheading the project. At a  town hall meeting in February, citizens raised many concerns. The representative from Ranger Power answered questions and attempted to reassure attendees that they would benefit from the project because of low predictable costs of production of solar energy after the high initial construction costs. He was unable to explain specifically how the lower production costs for power sold to an undisclosed energy company already under contract would translate to the citizens’ lower bills.

 

The Ranger Power representative assured the citizens that the company would be under close scrutiny of state and federal agencies and in compliance with regulations of MDC, DNR, Fish and Wildlife Service and the Army Corps of Engineers. He said they were conducting studies of the effects of the project on habitats such as wetlands and “conducting bird counts”.

 

There are many unanswered questions.  Among legal issues is a provision that eminent domain may be applied to acquire additional land adjacent to project land if a threshold of power production is reached.

 

State agencies and not-profit organizations are newly aware of this impending potentially highly impactful solar farm project. 

 

The town hall meeting was videotaped, and is on YouTube:  https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.reddit.com%2Fr%2Fmissouri%2Fcomments%2F1bjm88a%2Fhenry_county_solar_plan_town_hall%2F%3Frdt%3D43060&data=05%7C02%<7Cmobirds-l...>%7Ce0378ff5548844fe904e08dc4e0c6633%7Ce3fefdbef7e9401ba51a355e01b05a89%7C0%7C0%7C638471062509686570%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=usWh2hpcsDe4MmC3pW%2BE9ySoF1tK3XMpuWBi%2F2yIDMo%3D&reserved=0

 

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Date: 3/26/24 7:26 pm
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Subject: Proposed Solar Farm Near Montrose and Settle’s Ford Conservation Areas
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This is a summary of limited information about a solar farm project that has been developing for about four years with little information conveyed to the public. It is placed on Mobirds-L as an informational piece of potential interest to Missouri birders.

A solar energy project proposed in Henry County could eventually cover up to a 46 square mile area between Settle’s Ford and Montrose conservation areas.

Beavertail Solar and Ranger Power have already obtained leases by area farmers, and the Henry County Commission, despite opposition by area residents, appears to be highly favorable toward the project which, if approved, would bring $1,000,000 to the county coffers annually.

If approved, solar panels will be placed on agricultural land. The abandoned KCP&L property is not available for this project because the contaminated land cannot be bored into to provide the base supports for the panels.

Henry County, like many rural Missouri counties, voted not to have countywide planning and zoning several years ago. Some townships within the county do have zoning in place. Davis Township, the area of focus for the initial project installations, does not have zoning regulations. Additional townships anticipated to be affected include Walker and White Oak in Henry County and Spruce in Bates County.

Ranger Power, with a record of more than 75 similar projects across the United States, is spearheading the project. At a town hall meeting in February, citizens raised many concerns. The representative from Ranger Power answered questions and attempted to reassure attendees that they would benefit from the project because of low predictable costs of production of solar energy after the high initial construction costs. He was unable to explain specifically how the lower production costs for power sold to an undisclosed energy company already under contract would translate to the citizens’ lower bills.

The Ranger Power representative assured the citizens that the company would be under close scrutiny of state and federal agencies and in compliance with regulations of MDC, DNR, Fish and Wildlife Service and the Army Corps of Engineers. He said they were conducting studies of the effects of the project on habitats such as wetlands and “conducting bird counts”.

There are many unanswered questions. Among legal issues is a provision that eminent domain may be applied to acquire additional land adjacent to project land if a threshold of power production is reached.

State agencies and not-profit organizations are newly aware of this impending potentially highly impactful solar farm project.

The town hall meeting was videotaped, and is on YouTube: https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.reddit.com%2Fr%2Fmissouri%2Fcomments%2F1bjm88a%2Fhenry_county_solar_plan_town_hall%2F%3Frdt%3D43060&data=05%7C02%<7CMOBIRDS-L...>%7Ca0efa24bde8a42d11e7b08dc4e0548bf%7Ce3fefdbef7e9401ba51a355e01b05a89%7C0%7C0%7C638471031809187171%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=e9XwPiawE5akAG0sLPDKHyl9wCwoErvFDO%2BqO0iSYxQ%3D&reserved=0

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Date: 3/26/24 5:04 pm
From: David Becher <davidbecher...>
Subject: Re: WGNSS Birding
I should have said that the Saturday trip is also a 8.
David Becher
Saint Louis


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Date: 3/26/24 5:02 pm
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Thursday, we will meet at Columbia Bottom CA at the HQ at 8 am. (please remember that the restrooms are no longer open there).

Saturday, we will meet at the Busch Greenway Trailhead at Duckett Creek on Research Park Drive at Weldon Springs.

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Date: 3/26/24 3:02 pm
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Subject: Chance to Bird Eleven Point State Park
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On April 8, 2024 Eleven Point State Park, 10418 Rt. Y near Couch in Oregon County will be in the "path of totality" of the total solar eclipse.

The new Eleven Point SP has not yet been open for public visitation, BUT, it will be open to visitors between 11 a.m. and 4 p.m. on April 8 for eclipse viewing and a presentation of a conceptual development plan for the 4,200-acre park.

This is an opportunity to see the park, learn about its proposed development, view the eclipse, AND observe birds' behaviors during the eclipse and enter observations into the eBird hotspot for Eleven Point SP.

I know where I plan to be! Now, I just need to find a pair of cool eclipse viewing glasses.

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Date: 3/26/24 12:41 pm
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Subject: Eagle Bluffs Rusty Blackbirds and more
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Paul McKenzie reports 75 Rusty Blackbirds feeding on spilled grain at the Eagle Bluffs pit toilet.

Elsewhere at Eagle Bluffs, 5,575 ducks, with huge flocks of Blue-winged Teal, 26 American Goldent-plovers, 37 Pectoral Sandpipers, 1 Greater Yellow legs (pools 8 and 10)

8 continuing Ross's Geese.

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Date: 3/25/24 11:30 am
From: Edge Wade <1edgewade...>
Subject: Re: Merlin and chickadee identification
Thank you, Mike, for that clarification. That is important information! I
do hope that the pack version will someday be updated with more midwest and
western vocalizations. It is so heavy with eastern sounds now
(understandable, given the location and available material when it was
developed).

Merlin will get better and better. We birders need to work at improving
our skills so as not to become dependent on devices without having a
personal, brain-based dataset to work (and learn) from.

Edge Wade
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On Mon, Mar 25, 2024 at 1:20 PM Mike Taylor <3catacres...> wrote:

> One clarification to Edge's post on Merlin and chickadees. Merlin does not
> use the samples included in the bird packs to determine identification.
> According to the Merlin Sound ID FAQ, At least 150 audio recordings of a
> species are required to "train" Merlin to recognize that species by sound.
> Any audio that is uploaded into eBird (and thus Macaulay Library) can be
> used to train Merlin for sound recognition. The samples in the Merlin bird
> packs are just for comparison to help guide you.
>
>
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> Merlin uses your location to provide a list of likely birds in your area,
> then compares the spectrogram (a graphical representation of the sound) of
> the bird you are recording against its training data. For birders in the
> "chickadee zone," both species are possible and the spectrograms are very
> similar. Merlin thus presents you both options. As Edge rightfully says,
> use Merlin as a guide but it is not 100% reliable for all species in all
> locations. We will probably have this same conversation again when Red-eyed
> Vireo and Philadelphia Vireo are both passing through at the same time.
>
> PS: Several times this past Saturday morning, I heard a Carolina Chickadee
> switch back and forth between the four-note and two-note songs. Unless the
> zone has moved, I am not in the zone.
>
> Mike Taylor
> Bollinger County
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 25, 2024 at 10:39 AM Edge Wade <1edgewade...> wrote:
>
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>> I've seen some recent Missouri eBird alerts that include either
>> Black-capped or Carolina Chickadees well within the known range of the
>> other species. That's what prompts this caveat.
>>
>> Folks, I'm not a chickadee expert, but I've spent years in the field
>> paying special attention to chickadees in Missouri. Yes, the contact zone
>> is expanding and ranges are changing, BUT...
>> I've stood and watched many chickadees that Merlin first identifies as
>> one species, then switches to the other, then back, often multiple times.
>> Usually, I can identify the species by the sounds and the physical
>> characteristics (field marks), but not always.
>>
>> Merlin doesn't have the visual cues, just the sounds. And that means it
>> must match those to the sounds in its database to determine the species.
>> Look at the *source* of the sounds in Merlin Explore:
>> The Carolina Chickadee recordings in Merlin are from West Virginia,
>> Maryland, Florida, Pennsylvania;
>> The Black-capped Chickadee recordings are from New York, Alberta,
>> Michigan, Washington, Maine.
>>
>> There are no chickadee vocalizations from anywhere close to Missouri,
>> where we know they learn one another's song or a variation thereof,
>> hybridize, and, as with many species, have regional dialects/patois that
>> are not in Merlin's repertoire.
>>
>> This means Merlin is basing the identification of the species heard by
>> the snippets that match parts of vocalizations in its limited database.
>> Often it really can't determine the species, so the bouncing from one to
>> the other. And sometimes it settles (with or without the indecisiveness)
>> on the wrong one.
>>
>> Please do not rely on Merlin's sound identification alone when reporting
>> a chickadee species that doesn't match the known range. Make a VISUAL
>> identification to verify the species. If that isn't possible, the bird
>> should be reported in eBird as
>> Carolina/Black-capped Chickadee.
>>
>> Yes, we all would like to identify every species we see or hear, but
>> making an assumption, guessing, or relying solely on Merlin leads to
>> incorrect entries in the eBird database and muddles the
>> validity/reliability.
>>
>> This forum has limited members, so I may be preaching to the choir.
>> Please pass this information on to others (on Facebook, for instance, which
>> reaches a wider, generally less-experienced group of birders).
>>
>> Then, when it quits blowing and raining, go out and have some bodacious
>> birding.
>>
>> Edge Wade
>> Columbia, MO
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Date: 3/25/24 10:41 am
From: Edge Wade <1edgewade...>
Subject: Chickadees--More
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Marge Lumpe sent this response to the Carolina/Black-capped Chickadee message:
An added note: I used to be confident that the chickadee species could be identified by song. When Andy Forbes mist netted a few chickadees, he said the calls were not definitive. I thought I had Carolina’s, but Andy said all my chickadees that he examined were hybrids. I am in the zone. [She's in Benton Co.]

Marge is definitely in the contact zone.

Recently, I observed a small group of chickadees at Spring Fork Lake in adjacent Pettis Co. Merlin was bouncing back and forth. I watched and listened carefully.
One bird was particularly interesting. It made a mix of vocalizations and had a mix of physical characteristics. I entered Chickadee hybrid in my eBird checklist.
Nope! That was not accepted. My verbal description was not sufficient. Even a photo might not have been enough. A recording might not, either, for who could say for sure which of the birds was making which sounds on the recording, with three birds in the same small tree.

I received this explanation.
"This topic was discussed recently based on a hybrid which was reported near St. Louis, with discussion how hybrid, versus slash designations are best used.

Because these two species can hybridize along the contact zone, it's possible to see F1, F2, or F3 crosses with a varying set of phenotypes. They also share songs, or song variations of both species.

Guidance was established a few years ago: Without genetic testing, a hybrid may not be accepted by eBird in Missouri. Distillation stems from the wide divide between the two species (they're not next-door neighbors), and that genders are monotypic."


The bottom line is that the mavens have determined that only genetic testing can prove a bird is a hybrid.
Therefore, in Missouri eBird entries, we must use Carolina/Black-capped Chickadee, not "Hybrid" if the identification is not clear.

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Date: 3/25/24 8:39 am
From: Edge Wade <1edgewade...>
Subject: Merlin and chickadee identification
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I've seen some recent Missouri eBird alerts that include either Black-capped or Carolina Chickadees well within the known range of the other species. That's what prompts this caveat.

Folks, I'm not a chickadee expert, but I've spent years in the field paying special attention to chickadees in Missouri. Yes, the contact zone is expanding and ranges are changing, BUT...
I've stood and watched many chickadees that Merlin first identifies as one species, then switches to the other, then back, often multiple times. Usually, I can identify the species by the sounds and the physical characteristics (field marks), but not always.

Merlin doesn't have the visual cues, just the sounds. And that means it must match those to the sounds in its database to determine the species.
Look at the source of the sounds in Merlin Explore:
The Carolina Chickadee recordings in Merlin are from West Virginia, Maryland, Florida, Pennsylvania;
The Black-capped Chickadee recordings are from New York, Alberta, Michigan, Washington, Maine.

There are no chickadee vocalizations from anywhere close to Missouri, where we know they learn one another's song or a variation thereof, hybridize, and, as with many species, have regional dialects/patois that are not in Merlin's repertoire.

This means Merlin is basing the identification of the species heard by the snippets that match parts of vocalizations in its limited database. Often it really can't determine the species, so the bouncing from one to the other. And sometimes it settles (with or without the indecisiveness) on the wrong one.

Please do not rely on Merlin's sound identification alone when reporting a chickadee species that doesn't match the known range. Make a VISUAL identification to verify the species. If that isn't possible, the bird should be reported in eBird as
Carolina/Black-capped Chickadee.

Yes, we all would like to identify every species we see or hear, but making an assumption, guessing, or relying solely on Merlin leads to incorrect entries in the eBird database and muddles the validity/reliability.

This forum has limited members, so I may be preaching to the choir. Please pass this information on to others (on Facebook, for instance, which reaches a wider, generally less-experienced group of birders).

Then, when it quits blowing and raining, go out and have some bodacious birding.

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Columbia, MO
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Date: 3/24/24 6:44 pm
From: Timothy Barksdale <timothy.barksdale...>
Subject: Fluddle birds
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Today 7 Greater Yellowlegs, 3 Lesser Yellowlegs and 20 Pectoral Sandpipers worked the fluddle across the road.

Turkey Vultures are seeking nesting opportunities, E. Phoebes are being patient. On the west side up the hill, a Field Sparrow has been tuning up, while several White-throats are working the edges of the prairie. I'll mow the edges and probably 2 acres to get things growing. I bought a few new plants for the "diversity" at Mo Prairie Foundation sale in Jefferson city yesterday. Great to see Chris Barrigar, Austin Lambert and Anita Randolph, who also - was tabulating and reported at that moment- 698 people had attended!! Zow - Great turnout!. Many Volunteers helped things flow smoothly and I noted a really good percentage were young folks. This is great.

With more scientific papers being published, Spring burning has received another strong thumbs down and I hope MDC is listening. BTW- the CFM Grassland Conference in Jefferson City i believe is still open for registration.

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Date: 3/24/24 8:45 am
From: sgg.bluesfan <sgg.bluesfan...>
Subject: Re: Boone County birds today
Pipits are still here Sunday morning in the fold right before the left then right into Eagle Bluffs.  Ross Geese still here as well.Steve <GriffawSgg.bluesfan...> Jefferson City MOSent via the Samsung Galaxy S21+ 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone
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In addition to the Ross's Geese at Eagle Bluffs, as many as 40 American Pipits as many as 40 found by Josh Mosteller yesterday remained in the field bounded on the west by the main road (Star School Rd.) and
on the south by the road leading to Wastewater Treatment Unit #3.


The Osprey was back on a tall bare tree just north of the lot with the fishing dock & boat ramp at Perry Phillips Lake.



A Brown Thrasher was singing, attentively listened to by two mockingbirds, at the front pond of Lenoir Woods (not suggested as a good spot to bird as there is no parking in the immediate vicinity and this is
a retirement community with many elderly people driving and walking).


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In addition to the Ross's Geese at Eagle Bluffs, as many as 40 American Pipits as many as 40 found by Josh Mosteller yesterday remained in the field bounded on the west by the main road (Star School Rd.) and on the south by the road leading to Wastewater Treatment Unit #3.

The Osprey was back on a tall bare tree just north of the lot with the fishing dock & boat ramp at Perry Phillips Lake.

A Brown Thrasher was singing, attentively listened to by two mockingbirds, at the front pond of Lenoir Woods (not suggested as a good spot to bird as there is no parking in the immediate vicinity and this is a retirement community with many elderly people driving and walking).

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Date: 3/23/24 1:07 pm
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Subject: Re: Ross' Geese at Eagle Bluffs now
We saw the Ross's dozen at eagle bluffs as well as hundreds and hundreds of
ducks still there, shovelers, b w teal, g w teal, and a few horned larks.
Snipe reported by someone else near the pump house

RBAS
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FOY Whip-poor-will heard when I went outside to leave a friend’s house. What a wonderful sound!

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Date: 3/22/24 3:27 pm
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Subject: Re: Louisiana Waterthrush in Kennedy Woods
Congrats, Janis.

Your quest to find the Merlin-indicated Louisiana Waterthrush is a birder's
application of "Trust, but verify" the Russian adage popularized in the US
by Ronald Reagan

Betsy Garrett and I had a similar experience with Purple Martin earlier
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> Birding Forest Park Kennedy Woods this afternoon & just had first of year
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Hello all,

Birding Forest Park Kennedy Woods this afternoon & just had first of year Louisiana waterthrush!

Merlin sound had indicated one but as there is no water in the creek, I didn’t trust it without seeing. Walked in a big circle then came upon a puddle. A couple of walkers approached & the bird flew. Great surprise!

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Date: 3/21/24 2:35 pm
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An afternoon without heavy winds--finally.

I spent 1.5 hrs. at Finger Lakes. Woodpeckers were uncharacteristically quiet. Phoebes were looking hard for insects--temperature was still a little below insect-flying baseline.
Golden-crowned Kinglet still around.

An hour at Rocky Fork was highlighted by a pair of Wood Ducks, a lone female Lesser Scaup, one Purple Martin, a Swamp Sparrow along the lakeshore near the fishing dock privy, and a singing Pine Warbler across the arm of the lake near the same privy.

This was a very different list from that of Kai Frueh, who was there in the morning.


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Hello, all!

I am giving a FREE, public, all-ages presentation in St. Charles the county seat of St. Charles County this Saturday, March 23 about the Great Horned Owls I have studied in Forest Park in St. Louis for the last 18 years. I will share many of my photos and videos to illustrate the amazing behaviors of these beautiful birds. My sincere thanks to Wild Birds Unlimited (St. Charles) for hosting this presentation!

Here are the details including how to make the required registration RSVP:

"Forest Park Owls: Hiding In Plain Sight"
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Date: 3/20/24 10:03 am
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Subject: NO SIGHTING Eagle Bluffs Management Shorebird ID Workshop will allow 10 members of the birding public
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All,

Paul McKenzie and I have been asked to conduct a Shorebird ID workshop for Eagle Bluffs management. There is space for ten members of the birding public in this workshop. So, I’d like to extend an invitation on a first-come-first-served basis. You may email me back off-list at <plmonacell...><mailto:<plmonacell...> to request a spot.


* The date of the workshop will be Monday, April 22, with a weather backup date of Thursday, April 25. Please make sure you are able to attend either date.


* The workshop will begin with a PowerPoint presentation at Eagle Bluffs Headquarters at 8am. Then, at 9:30am, the group will head into Eagle Bluffs CA for three hours of field work.


* The workshop will be geared toward intermediate birders.


Please don’t respond on behalf of a large group. I’ll keep a waitlist after ten spots are filled.

Thank you, and good birding everyone.

Sincerely,
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I should have done this earlier, but is anyone interested n sharing a room for the MBS meeting in St. Joe.


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On Thursday, we will meet at Creve Coeur Lake on the east side (Taco Bell Pavilion) near the boat lauch off of Marine Ave by the cliffs at 8 am

On Saturday, we will meet at Riverlands at Teal Pond at 8 am.

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I'm sorry I hit send before I should have.
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We took a drive through Busch this evening and there were about a hundred Fish Crows getting ready to roost for the night. They were vocalizing so there was no doubt what they were. I guess they've recently returned.

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Date: 3/17/24 3:18 pm
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Subject: Eagle Bluffs this afternoon
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Eighteen American Golden-Plovers with about twice as many Killdeer in field bordered on west by n/s main road and on the south by the road to Columbia Wetland Unit #3.

Met Billy McCaslin who had found a lone Smith's Longspur near the blooming henbit close to the road to the wetland unit. He helped me locate it around 2 pm.

Tree Swallows were over the upper channel near the scaup. Billy had seen a Barn Swallow among them earlier.

The wind was strong, with high gusts, keeping songbirds down and silent (the lone Cardinal flew--or was blown--across the road in front of me.

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Date: 3/17/24 2:37 pm
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Subject: Sunday at Hi Lonesome
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The birds were pretty tucked in this morning. It was windy and brisk and not as spring-like as I had hoped.
Not many birds were out, and a few of them were moving so skittishly that I could not even get my binoculars on them. There were at least two kinds of sparrows that I could not i.d.
An unusual sight was of a group of about 20 Killdeer flying from south-ish to north-ish. Also there were two Horned Larks at the northernmost edge of Hi Lonesome. And my FOS Red-winged Blackbird. Others were American Robin, Eastern Meadowlark, Northern Flicker, Turkey Vulture, American Crow and Red-tailed Hawk.

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Date: 3/16/24 3:25 pm
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Subject: Winter Wren, Hickory Co.
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Right on schedule, according to Mark Robbins' Status and Distribution of Birds in Missouri, a Winter Wren was singing and bouncing near a very small creek along the main road through Mule Shoe CA today. Mark says mid-March, and mid it is.

Mule Shoe is an underbirded area. It's still largely unexplored by birders. A Site Guide for Mule Shoe is at https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmobirds.org%2FBirding%2FSiteGuides.aspx&data=05%7C02%<7CMOBIRDS-L...>%7C5046762c60f0476ad3c708dc4607df32%7Ce3fefdbef7e9401ba51a355e01b05a89%7C0%7C0%7C638462246817915231%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=%2BvKpmh8oW3qJjfg5RIJ8rGg5qczJ2IWrYRYoOauK1Gc%3D&reserved=0

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Date: 3/16/24 1:35 pm
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Subject: First of the season Yellow-throated warblers
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I taught a water quality workshop today on Shoal Creek, at the Shoal Creek Conservation Education Center, south Joplin, MO (Newton County).
We had two Yellow-throated Warblers (the old name Sycamore Warblers), plus more and more fish crows. A welcomed song!

Have a great week. - Jeff


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Date: 3/16/24 10:01 am
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46 American Golden-Plover in field by road going to wetland cell #3 at EBCA.

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Date: 3/15/24 7:03 pm
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The aldrich shorebird habitat on Stockton Lake, Polk County, is starting to get interesting. The storm yesterday moved in both water and birds. The water level is very good. Margie & I are not great at shorebirds, but we saw many Wilson's Snipe and American Golden Plovers. We also saw first of the year Semi-palmated and Pectoral Sandpipers. The deeper water east of 47th street, (which is rough but passible) still held a lot of waterfowl, including a lot of Lesser Scaup and Northern Shovelers, along with a few Common Mergansers and an Eared Grebe.

We also went around to the south access on South 50th Road. There were about 200 American White Pelicans. It was funny watching them taking baths. Very noisy. There were also about 125 Green winged teal, some Blue winged teal, and about 75 Bonapartes Gulls.

At the Aldrich boat ramp access we saw our first of the year Osprey.

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Tree swallows at binder shorebird area now, Jefferson City.

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Date: 3/15/24 12:15 pm
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Subject: Rooms for MBS SPRING MEETING UPDATE and Correction
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I replied hastily to Jane Frazier's email about rooms at Stoney Creek Hotel, St. Joseph, for the MBS Spring Meeting.

This is now on the MBS website under "Events" There are rooms available at the special rate:

Note: Stoney Creek has opened up a few more rooms for our block (Group Code 2305MOBIRD) Reserve your room online or call to make the arrangements. If reserving online, make sure you use the field for Group Code, not Promo Code. The hotel number is 816-901-9600 (option 2.)

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Date: 3/15/24 10:30 am
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Subject: Re: MBS meeting St. Joseph
It is my understanding that no more special rate rooms are available at
Stoney Creek Hotel.

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Date: 3/15/24 9:44 am
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Subject: Re: Lesser Goldfinch - Springfield
No sightings this morning.
Greg Swick
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> A Lesser Goldfinch was reported at a private residence in Springfield this afternoon and evening. I’ll check first thing in the morning, but the homeowner has indicated willingness to share if it sticks around. Watch for updates tomorrow morning.
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Date: 3/15/24 9:25 am
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Rooms are now gone from the group block. Any chance to open more?

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Date: 3/15/24 8:59 am
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Subject: Flicker behavior
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We enjoyed a northern flicker taking a bath at our on the ground bird bath
yesterday, March 14. IMO woodpeckers seldom come to bird baths.
Larry, Carleen and Mark, Joplin, Jasper County, MO. 3-15-24.


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Date: 3/14/24 6:05 pm
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Subject: Lesser Goldfinch - Springfield
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Hi MoBirders,

A Lesser Goldfinch was reported at a private residence in Springfield this afternoon and evening. I’ll check first thing in the morning, but the homeowner has indicated willingness to share if it sticks around. Watch for updates tomorrow morning.
I believe this is the 10th Missouri record.

Good birding,
Greg Swick
Ozark

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Date: 3/14/24 5:43 pm
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Subject: Lordi Marker Prairie Directions Correction
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My directions to Lordi Marker Prairie had one really bad error.
One should go WEST along Highway 52 from the intersection with Hoffman Rd., not east.

CORRECT DIRECTIONS:

AND...there is a "new" prairie in the area to bird: Lordi Marker Prairie, a fairly recently acquired property of the Missouri Prairie Foundation that links Friendly and Drover's prairies.
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The directions on the MPF site say to go to Hoffman Rd. (that's the road where Drover's is on the left (south) of Hwy. 52), but there is no parking available there. Proceed WEST on Hwy. 52, downhill, to an open gate on the right, pull in, park and enjoy this prairie.

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Date: 3/14/24 8:15 am
From: Edge Wade <1edgewade...>
Subject: Prairie birding
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Yesterday I birded 5 small prairies in Pettis and Benton counties. Here's why I went and some information about what I found.

The whys:
Spring is springing--that's really all the incentive one needs, but there is more.

Through the CACHE agreement between the Missouri Birding Society (MBS) and the Missouri Department of Conservation (MDC), MBS earns funds used to support partnership projects in habitat improvement, education and young birder programs.

That agreement is based largely on MBS birders filing eBird checklists with the goal of providing year-round bird occurrence data to further our understanding of what appears when and where and help direct management practices.

Year-round occurrence data requires visits to sites at least once for every week of the year--not every week every year, but over the course of time, filling in each week on site Bar Charts (see on eBird--an option in Site Details and/or under Explore on the left side of the page for a site.

There are three prairies within MDC's Hi Lonesome Priority Geography area that are target sites requiring visits: Grandfather, Friendly, and Mora.

I visited Grandfather and Friendly yesterday, providing data for a previously unreported week for both. And it was exciting birding! Two new species were added to the Grandfather Prairie checklist: Brewer's and Rusty Blackbirds.

You can have some good birding and contribute to data and CACHE by birding these prairies and Mora CA in the near future.

The site and the coming weeks lacking data:
Grandfather Prairie: March week 3, April weeks 1,2,4
Friendly Prairie: March week 3,4, April weeks 1,2
Mora CA: March week 3.

Looking at that list, a trip to the prairies between March 15 (tomorrow) and March 21 would be especially helpful for data collection via eBird reports.

AND...there is a "new" prairie in the area to bird: Lordi Marker Prairie, a fairly recently acquired property of the Missouri Prairie Foundation that links Friendly and Drover's prairies.
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The directions on the MPF site say to go to Hoffman Rd. (that's the road where Drover's is on the left (south) of Hwy. 52), but there is no parking available there. Proceed east on Hwy. 52, downhill, to an open gate on the right, pull in, park and enjoy this prairie.

Edge Wade
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Date: 3/14/24 6:42 am
From: Edge Wade <1edgewade...>
Subject: Re: Turkey Vultures - Smithville Lake
Thanks for the report, Terry. I live about a mile south of an
overwintering roost for Turkey Vultures (and in the last few years joined
by increasing numbers of Black Vultures).

I recall Tim Barksdale, teaching a class of beginning birders in rthe mid
1990's (we hung on his every word and most of us caught his infectious
enthusiasm for birding) that in Columbia Turkey vultures left about
September 10th and returned about the first or second week of March.

That held true for many years, thereafter. Then, one winter about 5 birds
stayed put. We had to document Turkey Vulture on the Christmas Bird Count
for the MRBC! The next year, about the same number were around all winter,
then they became more numerous. These days they are a common sight in the
skies above Columbia and surrounding countryside all year long.

Those of us in Boone County have come to take winter sightings of Turkey
Vultures as common, and we forget that is not the case for other parts of
the state.

I've been noting clearly migrating TUVUs in recent days. That is as sure a
sign of spring as Spring Beauty flowers, emerging houseflies, and the
greening of invasive plants.

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Date: 3/13/24 6:23 pm
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Subject: Turkey Vultures - Smithville Lake
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As I made a trip to Smithville late this afternoon, I noticed two pretty good kettles of Turkey Vultures. We have a pretty good storm heading this way from the southwest. Well, on my way back they had started roosting in basically one tree near Smoke and Davey Trailhead. I counted 67 in one tree with another dozen in the sky...I think more were probably coming but I had to leave. Hardly any here before today and now.... ubiquitous again!! I took one pic with my cell phone. As many road-killed raccoons as there are lately...they will have no problem finding enough to eat.

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Date: 3/13/24 9:36 am
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Subject: Eurasian Collared-Doves, Valley Park, St. Louis Co.
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ECDs at locations in checklist.
Was advised by the lady that has the feeders at Seventh and Vest that
the upstairs resident carries a firearm so do not come into the yard.

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Date: 3/13/24 7:38 am
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Subject: RBAS reminder, Mississippi birds
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Just a quick reminder that Dr. Adrian Andrei will be speaking Thursday, tomorrow, on the 14th at Runge Nature Center on "The Joys and Challenges of Birding on 4 Continents on a Student Budget." Time 6:30. Join us.

On Sunday a stop at the Sardis Lake, Mississippi dam area, yielded about 100 White Pelicans, several Forster's Terns, the perpetually wintering Lesser Black Backed Gull, two Brown Headed Nuthatches, a Pine Warbler, and Phoebe all seen my me and my friend. A few walks in the north MS area turned up a Golden Crowned Kinglet up close and saying hello (ok he really wasn't calling), 15 Cedar Waxwings, half a dozen Chipping Sparrows, 2 Brown Thrashers, and another Phoebe. Spring is arriving and we couldn't help but notice the died down kudzu there which will this summer be swallowing trees. As for the drive back through St. Louis, I have never seen so many Bradford Pears. Well they are here too.

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Date: 3/13/24 6:34 am
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Subject: Sounds to Sort in March
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Yesterday I birded some sites in Howard County.
Rickett's Lake, the original water supply for Fayette now retired from that function, has a well-kept 3/4 mile chat trail around it.
As with the other lakes I visited, there were no waterfowl present, but I was well entertained by singing birds despite the number of dogs leading their owners around on a leash.

I use Merlin to alert my inadequate ears, even with hearing aids in, to sounds I might not pick up. I heard and was watching a Dark-eyed Junco sing when Merlin lit up with "Pine Warbler", then bounced back and forth a couple times, finally landing correctly on Dark-eyed Junco.

That long lead in is to give context for this: In the early spring, three birds we are likely to encounter in parts of Missouri are singing very similar songs: Dark-eyed Juncos begin singing before they head north; Pine Warblers are singing as they set up territories mostly in pines, and Chipping Sparrows (often but certainly not always also in pines) are singing, too, as they arrive.
These three all have variations which can sound very, very similar.
This time of year we should listen to several recordings to renew our familiarity with each to help us sort out what we hear when birding.
And, Always, consider habitat. Yes, any bird can be about anywhere in migration, but the lack of any pines near Rickett's Lake would have been enough for me to question Merlin's initial reading, even if I hadn't been watching the singing junco.

Bodacious birding!
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Columbia
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During a prescribed fire exercise I observed an owl fly from one brushy thicket to another shortly after a woodcock did the same.
At first I didn't pay that much attention to it. I assumed it to be a barred owl, but shortly after I reengaged in the fire I noticed Adam Farrenburg (photo credit) staring at the bird. I ended up back tracking to the location of the bird and immediately saw the long ear tufts on a long slender bird from a distance of 40 yards and I immediately one what I was looking at. I called Adam back because his phone was better then mine (knowing I would need a better photo for documentation purposes). New county record for me (#251).

This comes two days after an owl succumbed to my windshield when I took my daughter to STL to fly to Dallas for her spring break.
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Carleen and I enjoyed a barred owl BDOW calling in our Joiplin,
Jasper County, home two mornings in a row, both times at 3 am
March 9 and 10. No screech owls however. Haven't heard one
here for a couple of years. We had a house for them It was used
until the limb came down.
Mark Herbert didn't hear it we're sure. He's a good sound sleeper
in his room,
We can't make it to St. Joe. We barely bird right here.
Good birding to all.
Larry, Carleen. and Mark. Joplin, Jasper County. 3-12-24.




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Date: 3/12/24 6:35 am
From: Edge Wade <1edgewade...>
Subject: Re: Long Eared Owl - New Madrid County (Private location - access limited)
Congrats, Tim!
This is one more example of how inadequate any form of the question, "How
often do you bird?" is.

Even in such an intense activity as working a controlled burn, we are aware
of the birds around us, attentive to their actions and alert to something
different.
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> I was informed the LEOW was buffered from showing it's location via eBird
> as being listed as a sensitive species.
> Here's a photo for those that are interested.
> [image: image1.jpeg]
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> On Mar 11, 2024, at 8:14 PM, Tim Kavan <tkavan_76...> wrote:
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> During a prescribed fire exercise I observed an owl fly from one brushy
> thicket to another shortly after a woodcock did the same.
> At first I didn't pay that much attention to it. I assumed it to be a
> barred owl, but shortly after I reengaged in the fire I noticed Adam
> Farrenburg (photo credit) staring at the bird. I ended up back tracking
> to the location of the bird and immediately saw the long ear tufts on a
> long slender bird from a distance of 40 yards and I immediately one what I
> was looking at. I called Adam back because his phone was better then
> mine (knowing I would need a better photo for documentation purposes).
> New county record for me (#251).
>
> This comes two days after an owl succumbed to my windshield when I took my
> daughter to STL to fly to Dallas for her spring break.
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Date: 3/12/24 5:05 am
From: Tim Kavan <tkavan_76...>
Subject: Re: Long Eared Owl - New Madrid County (Private location - access limited)
I was informed the LEOW was buffered from showing it's location via eBird as being listed as a sensitive species.
Here's a photo for those that are interested.
[image1.jpeg]
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On Mar 11, 2024, at 8:14 PM, Tim Kavan <tkavan_76...> wrote:


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During a prescribed fire exercise I observed an owl fly from one brushy thicket to another shortly after a woodcock did the same.
At first I didn't pay that much attention to it. I assumed it to be a barred owl, but shortly after I reengaged in the fire I noticed Adam Farrenburg (photo credit) staring at the bird. I ended up back tracking to the location of the bird and immediately saw the long ear tufts on a long slender bird from a distance of 40 yards and I immediately one what I was looking at. I called Adam back because his phone was better then mine (knowing I would need a better photo for documentation purposes). New county record for me (#251).

This comes two days after an owl succumbed to my windshield when I took my daughter to STL to fly to Dallas for her spring break.
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I had a Chipping Sparrow under my feeders this morning. A bit early, but I see that one over-wintered in Jefferson Co.

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Date: 3/11/24 6:13 pm
From: Tim Kavan <tkavan_76...>
Subject: Long Eared Owl - New Madrid County (Private location - access limited)
WARNING: This message has originated from an External Source. This may be a phishing expedition that can result in unauthorized access to our IT System. Please use proper judgment and caution when opening attachments, clicking links, or responding to this email.
During a prescribed fire exercise I observed an owl fly from one brushy thicket to another shortly after a woodcock did the same.
At first I didn't pay that much attention to it. I assumed it to be a barred owl, but shortly after I reengaged in the fire I noticed Adam Farrenburg (photo credit) staring at the bird. I ended up back tracking to the location of the bird and immediately saw the long ear tufts on a long slender bird from a distance of 40 yards and I immediately one what I was looking at. I called Adam back because his phone was better then mine (knowing I would need a better photo for documentation purposes). New county record for me (#251).

This comes two days after an owl succumbed to my windshield when I took my daughter to STL to fly to Dallas for her spring break.
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Date: 3/11/24 5:44 pm
From: Edge Wade <1edgewade...>
Subject: Re: Willets
Interesting. Congrats! Great find. Hoping many can follow up and find
this flock.

Edge Wade
Columbia
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> Today I headed down to Table Rock Lake to do a little birding. One of my
> stops was at the Dewey Shirt Visitor Center. While I was driving along the
> shore front, I noticed a group of large shorebirds approaching quickly
> from the dam/swim beach area. I pulled into a parking space and estimated
> 20-25 birds. Surprisingly, they were unmistakably Willets with their white
> and black wing pattern, gray bodies, light rumps, and long dark bills. I
> was not able to capture photos.
>
> I was surprised to see these birds and did a little checking on eBird. The
> earliest they've been reported in Missouri is the first week of April. This
> little group was very early, and I was wondering where they might be
> spending their time on the lake foraging. This was the largest group I
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Date: 3/11/24 3:34 pm
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Subject: Willets
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Hello,

Today I headed down to Table Rock Lake to do a little birding. One of my stops was at the Dewey Shirt Visitor Center. While I was driving along the shore front, I noticed a group of large shorebirds approaching quickly from the dam/swim beach area. I pulled into a parking space and estimated 20-25 birds. Surprisingly, they were unmistakably Willets with their white and black wing pattern, gray bodies, light rumps, and long dark bills. I was not able to capture photos.

I was surprised to see these birds and did a little checking on eBird. The earliest they've been reported in Missouri is the first week of April. This little group was very early, and I was wondering where they might be spending their time on the lake foraging. This was the largest group I have seen in Missouri.

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Date: 3/10/24 8:49 am
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Subject: Howard Bend section of Big Muddy NWR
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This is a new area behind the Amazon Warehouses near Little Creve Coeur. It is a small area consisting basically of a parking lot and a few small ponds on the river side of the levy. To access it, turn on to John Pellet Ct. (at the intersection of Hog Hollow Road and River Valley Drive) and go past the Monarch Fire District training area. Continue to the parking lot (note that the last part is a rather steep hill). From there you can walk onto the levy and look down at the ponds. There was nothing in particular there when I checked today except a few Kestrels and an active Bald Eagle nest, but it might be good for shorebird, herons, and other waterbirds during migration.

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Date: 3/10/24 7:34 am
From: Edge Wade <1edgewade...>
Subject: Re: Prairie Falcon at Grand Pass CA, Saline Co.
Ryan,
The February 3, 2023 sighting by Terry and Steve was a first county record
and first Grand Pass Prairie Falcon record.
Your December 12, 2023 record was the second county record.

That makes our sighting yesterday the third Saline Co. record and the
second Grand Pass record.

It's interesting and exciting to consider the possibility this species, one
found more typically south and west of Saline Co. may be becoming regularly
expected in Saline Co.

Edge

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> Edge,
>
> I saw a prairie falcon while scouting a couple days before the Grand Pass
> CBC. https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Febird.org%2Fchecklist%2FS156225075&data=05%7C02%<7CMOBIRDS-L...>%7Ca2e32512217b4918e95208dc410f194d%7Ce3fefdbef7e9401ba51a355e01b05a89%7C0%7C0%7C638456780646543715%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=L0N0eSrGOIxC%2FOIROELVMU4HXuvWC6j1yXdUN8JNbdw%3D&reserved=0. WAS the prairie falcon
> Terry and Steve found the first record at Grand Pass or the first record
> for Saline County?? If was the 1st county record, does that mean mine was
> the 2nd county record?? If so that'd be pretty cool!! I was just glas I was
> able to get photos of this one. Esp since I rarely see one. It was
> definitely the highlight of my trip and a great addition to the circle as a
> Count Week species.
>
> Thanks for sharing the report!
>
> Ryan S
> Benton County
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 10, 2024, 8:18 AM Edge Wade <1edgewade...> wrote:
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>> Yesterday four birders from Columbia spent nearly four hours at Grand
>> Pass CA, one of my favorite sites--alas, there are so many favorite sites I
>> don't get to any of them as often as I'd like.
>>
>> We went with hopes of seeing Ross's Goose--none, and only 50 Snows seen
>> in flight all day.
>> We hoped to see Sandhill Cranes. Nope.
>> We knew we had little chance of a Brown Creeper. Not seen.
>>
>> The only divers left on the water were Lesser Scaup and Ring-necks.
>>
>> We saw four occupied Bald Eagle nests, and were treated to a couple dark
>> Western Red-tailed Hawks.
>>
>> The bird of the day was Saline County's and Grand Pass's second record of
>> Prairie Falcon. The first was seen by Terry McNeely and Steve Kinder
>> February 3, 2023. We watched as it came toward us, nearly directly
>> overhead, then disappeared heading west over the Missouri River.
>>
>> Yup, we dipped on our hoped for species (didn't see even one Pied-billed
>> Grebe), and had to contend with strong winds that kept sparrows down, but a
>> day of birding with friends, watching the early signs of spring, seeing 46
>> species, topped off with a totally unexpected Prairie Falcon is a day that
>> goes into the memory bank with a nod and a grin.
>>
>> Get out and bird, folks!
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Date: 3/10/24 6:18 am
From: Edge Wade <1edgewade...>
Subject: Prairie Falcon at Grand Pass CA, Saline Co.
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Yesterday four birders from Columbia spent nearly four hours at Grand Pass CA, one of my favorite sites--alas, there are so many favorite sites I don't get to any of them as often as I'd like.

We went with hopes of seeing Ross's Goose--none, and only 50 Snows seen in flight all day.
We hoped to see Sandhill Cranes. Nope.
We knew we had little chance of a Brown Creeper. Not seen.

The only divers left on the water were Lesser Scaup and Ring-necks.

We saw four occupied Bald Eagle nests, and were treated to a couple dark Western Red-tailed Hawks.

The bird of the day was Saline County's and Grand Pass's second record of Prairie Falcon. The first was seen by Terry McNeely and Steve Kinder February 3, 2023. We watched as it came toward us, nearly directly overhead, then disappeared heading west over the Missouri River.

Yup, we dipped on our hoped for species (didn't see even one Pied-billed Grebe), and had to contend with strong winds that kept sparrows down, but a day of birding with friends, watching the early signs of spring, seeing 46 species, topped off with a totally unexpected Prairie Falcon is a day that goes into the memory bank with a nod and a grin.

Get out and bird, folks!

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Date: 3/10/24 6:00 am
From: Edge Wade <1edgewade...>
Subject: Re: Eastern Screech Owl
Dan,
Merlin, as with the human ear, has difficulty with some sounds, but Eastern
Screech-Owl isn't one of them--unless a very good human imitator is nearby,
and that's unlikely in your backyard.

Hoping to hear you've spotted one taking up residence in the box you've
provided.

Edge Wade
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> For the last couple months, my Haikubox has picked up a definite Eastern
> Screech Owl call, but it’s always sounded fairly distant.
>
> Tonight at 6:20 pm, it picked up one which sounded very close. Sunset was
> at 6:12pm. I sat outside for about 15 min, but didn’t hear it again.
>
> I know many are skeptical of Merlin Bird ID by sound and the Haikubox, but
> Haikubox allows you to play it back and it’s definitely the characteristic
> “whinny call”.
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> I do have 2 screech owl nest boxes in different parts of the yard, but
> haven’t seen any evidence of them being occupied.
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For the last couple months, my Haikubox has picked up a definite Eastern Screech Owl call, but it’s always sounded fairly distant.

Tonight at 6:20 pm, it picked up one which sounded very close. Sunset was at 6:12pm. I sat outside for about 15 min, but didn’t hear it again.

I know many are skeptical of Merlin Bird ID by sound and the Haikubox, but Haikubox allows you to play it back and it’s definitely the characteristic “whinny call”.

I do have 2 screech owl nest boxes in different parts of the yard, but haven’t seen any evidence of them being occupied.

Maybe I’ll sit outside near sunset for a couple days.

Who knows!

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Date: 3/7/24 12:04 pm
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Subject: Fun Morning at Finger Lakes SP, Boone Co.
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Such a dreary day...and it began with picking up my completed tax forms and a look at that bottom line. Coulda been worse.

I needed a happy boost, so opted to go to Finger Lakes SP where I could bird without having to wander around in the damp chill. Excellent choice! (and I don't feel guilty about sitting in the car).

I was met near the entrance with a surprise Pine Warbler. Trees are budding and I quickly realized I needed to look UP, not down, to see most of the juncos and White-throated Sparrows competing for goodies with Yellow-rumped Warblers, House Finches, even Purple Finches, and...another surprise, one Fox Sparrow up there while its buddy checked out the ground.

It was a good mix of "the usual suspects" seen in a little over two hours of slow cruising. 31 species. There was also a not so thrilling "first for the park list": a Black Vulture. They are becoming common in Boone Co.

Merlin indicated a Red Crossbill and I looked and listened hard, but could not verify it, so didn't list it. Maybe someone with sharper eyes and/or ears will find it soon.

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Date: 3/5/24 3:06 pm
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On Thursday, we will meet at Gaddy Garden in Tower Grove Park a 8 am
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Date: 3/5/24 2:25 pm
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Subject: Horned Grebes at Longview Lake
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Stopped by the marina to check for loons. No luck there, but did see 2 Horned Grebes. There were also a few Killdeer.

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Date: 3/4/24 8:29 pm
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Subject: Re: FOY Eastern Phoebe
 

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Date: 3/4/24 1:44 pm
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Come join us Thursday, March 14 at 6:30 pm to hear Dr. Adrian Andrei of the Lincoln U Agriculture dept. speak of his experiences birding on four continents on a student budget. We will meet at Runge Nature Center, Jefferson City.

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Date: 3/4/24 1:10 pm
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Subject: Re: FOY Eastern Phoebe
My Eastern Phoebe showed up today as well.
Marge Lumpe

On Mon, Mar 4, 2024 at 9:07 AM Glenn Pickett <gepgwc...> wrote:

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> First of the year Eastern Phoebe March 3, 2024.
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Date: 3/4/24 11:04 am
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Subject: Re: Tandem woodcock flight
Hi all,

Although I haven’t seen that behavior, I briefly looked at the “Sounds and Vocal Behavior<https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fbirdsoftheworld.org%2Fbow%2Fspecies%2Famewoo%2Fcur%2Fsounds&data=05%7C02%<7CMOBIRDS-L...>%7C0e89e5641cb84c40c7cc08dc3c7dbdbb%7Ce3fefdbef7e9401ba51a355e01b05a89%7C0%7C0%7C638451758339476004%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=jXCslXGde6%2F6RDofA%2Fl9HCHuGwJVElXlUCmk4qenaXI%3D&reserved=0> section of the American Woodcock species account on Birds of the World. It’s worth the subscription. The authors mention chasing behavior resulting from aggressive challenge.


“…Chirping is a fast, repetitive series of 4–6, melodious, twittering notes at 2–6 kHz (Figure 3c<https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcdn.download.ams.birds.cornell.edu%2Fapi%2Fv1%2Fasset%2F25011281&data=05%7C02%<7CMOBIRDS-L...>%7C0e89e5641cb84c40c7cc08dc3c7dbdbb%7Ce3fefdbef7e9401ba51a355e01b05a89%7C0%7C0%7C638451758339476004%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=bgjMxpeSMMF62On%2BmS%2Fi4MPOJsisLHU8Tvsg%2Bvc%2FLuE%3D&reserved=0>) during Song Flights, rendered as chirp-chirp-Chirpchirpchirp, ... (Pettingill 1936a<https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fbirdsoftheworld.org%2Fbow%2Fspecies%2Famewoo%2Fcur%2Freferences%23REF50671&data=05%7C02%<7CMOBIRDS-L...>%7C0e89e5641cb84c40c7cc08dc3c7dbdbb%7Ce3fefdbef7e9401ba51a355e01b05a89%7C0%7C0%7C638451758339476004%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=lw2gY8hATbTQxKYMT3jfRn8dxzpqKaNx0felKNwPS74%3D&reserved=0>: 290, Sheldon 1967<https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fbirdsoftheworld.org%2Fbow%2Fspecies%2Famewoo%2Fcur%2Freferences%23REF23734&data=05%7C02%<7CMOBIRDS-L...>%7C0e89e5641cb84c40c7cc08dc3c7dbdbb%7Ce3fefdbef7e9401ba51a355e01b05a89%7C0%7C0%7C638451758339476004%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=QS9GQHBFysDXb4LmyxFdamw3TpSn4m1MQMLWolXqvKI%3D&reserved=0>: 38). Duration of Chirping about 15 s. The rapid, harsh Cackle is most intense at 3–5 kHz (Figure 3d<https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcdn.download.ams.birds.cornell.edu%2Fapi%2Fv1%2Fasset%2F25011281&data=05%7C02%<7CMOBIRDS-L...>%7C0e89e5641cb84c40c7cc08dc3c7dbdbb%7Ce3fefdbef7e9401ba51a355e01b05a89%7C0%7C0%7C638451758339476004%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=bgjMxpeSMMF62On%2BmS%2Fi4MPOJsisLHU8Tvsg%2Bvc%2FLuE%3D&reserved=0>), given as ca-ca-ca-ca-ca . Given by a male flying low over another Peenting male, cackling appears to be aggressive challenge; may cause resident to increase Peenting rate or give chase; may Cackle during chase. Cackle sometimes given while a bird is on the ground, particularly if two Peenting males are close.
Other vocalizations elicited by females and chicks are not well known, most appear to reflect alarm or brood cohesion (Sheldon 1967<https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fbirdsoftheworld.org%2Fbow%2Fspecies%2Famewoo%2Fcur%2Freferences%23REF23734&data=05%7C02%<7CMOBIRDS-L...>%7C0e89e5641cb84c40c7cc08dc3c7dbdbb%7Ce3fefdbef7e9401ba51a355e01b05a89%7C0%7C0%7C638451758339632211%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=zjXdiyOFutZ%2FEU%2F6EXnUuhTOVx32zq9fKdY9Ip4oYhw%3D&reserved=0>: 39–40). Woodcock chicks make a loud weeeep call when separated from hen…”
Another good source for literature that is without a paywall is The Searchable Ornithological Research Archive<https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fsora.unm.edu%2F&data=05%7C02%<7CMOBIRDS-L...>%7C0e89e5641cb84c40c7cc08dc3c7dbdbb%7Ce3fefdbef7e9401ba51a355e01b05a89%7C0%7C0%7C638451758339632211%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=ts7s9BR76wH1SyJ35lq9BdB6oBoLAk7%2FH04MmrX%2FN%2Bs%3D&reserved=0> SORA. There are some real ‘searchable’ gems in like this one https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fsora.unm.edu%2Fsites%2Fdefault%2Ffiles%2Fjournals%2Fwilson%2Fv095n04%2Fp0655-p0656.pdf&data=05%7C02%<7CMOBIRDS-L...>%7C0e89e5641cb84c40c7cc08dc3c7dbdbb%7Ce3fefdbef7e9401ba51a355e01b05a89%7C0%7C0%7C638451758339632211%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=vFEnhx8tZ7EB5Nlx44IUVCoLw4Mii0HYZRWaIC62ilg%3D&reserved=0 in there 😊
Also, Olin Sewall Pettingill did great work studying the species https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fbooks.google.com%2Fbooks%2Fabout%2FThe_American_woodcock.html%3Fid%3DWyNYAAAAMAAJ&data=05%7C02%<7CMOBIRDS-L...>%7C0e89e5641cb84c40c7cc08dc3c7dbdbb%7Ce3fefdbef7e9401ba51a355e01b05a89%7C0%7C0%7C638451758339632211%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=i3ubXpY1LMOPSvz9ys2Fy2vX%2BQf8y7nIaz82dJ0%2BJjg%3D&reserved=0
Enjoy,
Ethan

Ethan C. Duke
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Date: Monday, March 4, 2024 at 9:06 AM
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Subject: Re: Tandem woodcock flight
That is interesting!! Surprised there isn't anything more recent than the 70's



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The Columbia Audubon Society woodcock walk that we led at Forum Nature Area in Columbia yesterday evening had a good turnout and a lot of new faces.

The motivation for this message, though, was a curious tandem woodcock flight that was unfamiliar to anyone on the trip, so we’re curious to learn from others about encounters of this behavior.

Peenting began at 6:22 p.m. CST. Two birds were peenting to the east of where the group was standing when a third woodcock flew low over the heads of our group making an unusual sound. I lost visual contact with the bird, but it flew in the direction of the northern of the two peenting birds, and that bird took off in flight soon thereafter. The two woodcocks proceeded to fly in tandem to a height that I was able to follow with binoculars but not with the naked eye. I tracked them with binoculars until they eventually disappeared to the north behind tree tops at a substantial distance. Throughout this flight, they maintained relatively close proximity to each other, and I had the impression that they were gently spiraling around each other. eBird list: https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Febird.org%2Fchecklist%2FS163625048&data=05%7C02%<7CMOBIRDS-L...>%7C0e89e5641cb84c40c7cc08dc3c7dbdbb%7Ce3fefdbef7e9401ba51a355e01b05a89%7C0%7C0%7C638451758339632211%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=SHerNTX4k8H%2BlBbgovKy8Jtugsnd0N08RfYIDmKnHlM%3D&reserved=0<https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Febird.org%2Fchecklist%2FS163625048&data=05%7C02%<7CMOBIRDS-L...>%7C0e89e5641cb84c40c7cc08dc3c7dbdbb%7Ce3fefdbef7e9401ba51a355e01b05a89%7C0%7C0%7C638451758339632211%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=SHerNTX4k8H%2BlBbgovKy8Jtugsnd0N08RfYIDmKnHlM%3D&reserved=0>
We guessed that these were both males, with little more to go on than an anthropomorphic instinct that the sounds of the incoming woodcock were more aggressive than romantic.

Searching the internet, I found a 1980 thesis by Raymond A. Lambert on "Habitat and behavior of the American Woodcock in northcenteral Oklahoma” (shareok.org/bitstream/handle/11244/17497/Thesis-1980-L222h.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y) with the following to say about some tandem flights that sound loosely similar:

"There has been much confusion about the nature of this dual flight and the sex of the participating woodcock. Pitelka (1943) suggested that the dual flight is due to the accidental simultaneous initiation of display flights by two male woodcock. Some ornithologists have maintained that the dual flight is a mating flight, but no evidence has ever been produced to justify this claim.

"I and other students observed this dual or tandem flight by two woodcock on the Ecology Preserve approximately 15 to 20 times. The typical pattern of a dual flight was as follows: One male woodcock would be calling or peenting from his singing site, when another male woodcock would fly directly over him, constantly cackling and circling
in ever smaller concentric circles, until both males would go up in a dual flight. They would rise 75 to 100 m breast to breast, flutter but never touch, and hover for a few seconds. Then both birds would fly away, one in pursuit of the other, in a straight and level direction. Usually the initial calling male would return to his site a minute or
two later while the antagonist would find another site or retreat into the woods for the rest of the evening.

"Among all of these observations, not once were the woodcock seen to touch. The flights did not appear to be accidental simultaneous courtship display flights by two males, nor were they believed to be mating flights. Instead, the dual flights appeared to be deliberate confrontations between two male woodcock that were competing for the
same singing site. On the evening of 21 February 1975, we caught, in a mist net, two woodcock that were involved in the late stages of a dual flight. Both birds were males.”


Joanna & Eric Reuter
Boone County, MO

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Date: 3/4/24 7:06 am
From: Glenn Pickett <gepgwc...>
Subject: FOY Eastern Phoebe
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First of the year Eastern Phoebe March 3, 2024.
Both heard and seen along ONeal Road in central Boone County.
A new early record for this observer.

Reported by

Glenn Pickett
Columbia, MO.


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Date: 3/4/24 7:05 am
From: Ruanne Stamps <stampsr...>
Subject: Re: Tandem woodcock flight
That is interesting!! Surprised there isn't anything more recent than the 70'sSent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
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The Columbia Audubon Society woodcock walk that we led at Forum Nature Area in Columbia yesterday evening had a good turnout and a lot of new faces. 


The motivation for this message, though, was a curious tandem woodcock flight that was unfamiliar to anyone on the trip, so we’re curious to learn from others about encounters of this behavior. 


Peenting began at 6:22 p.m. CST. Two birds were peenting to the east of where the group was standing when a third woodcock flew low over the heads of our group making an unusual sound. I lost visual contact with the bird, but it flew in the direction of
the northern of the two peenting birds, and that bird took off in flight soon thereafter. The two woodcocks proceeded to fly in tandem to a height that I was able to follow with binoculars but not with the naked eye. I tracked them with binoculars until they
eventually disappeared to the north behind tree tops at a substantial distance. Throughout this flight, they maintained relatively close proximity to each other, and I had the impression that they were gently spiraling around each other.   eBird list: https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Febird.org%2Fchecklist%2FS163625048&data=05%7C02%<7CMOBIRDS-L...>%7C99321b6d7030423b547208dc3bd5046c%7Ce3fefdbef7e9401ba51a355e01b05a89%7C0%7C0%7C638451033453583968%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=c358ICu2dBP1V%2Bh%2Bnzl%2FDNhFveeu0fLjHv3Um1pG3qQ%3D&reserved=0


We guessed that these were both males, with little more to go on than an anthropomorphic instinct that the sounds of the incoming woodcock were more aggressive than romantic. 


Searching the internet, I found a 1980 thesis by Raymond A. Lambert on "Habitat and behavior of the American Woodcock in northcenteral Oklahoma” (shareok.org/bitstream/handle/11244/17497/Thesis-1980-L222h.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y) with the following
to say about some tandem flights that sound loosely similar: 




"There has been much confusion about the nature of this dual flight and the sex of the participating woodcock. Pitelka (1943) suggested that the dual flight is due to the accidental simultaneous initiation of display flights by two male woodcock. Some
ornithologists have maintained that the dual flight is a mating flight, but no evidence has ever been produced to justify this claim.


"I and other students observed this dual or tandem flight by two woodcock on the Ecology Preserve approximately 15 to 20 times. The typical pattern of a dual flight was as follows: One male woodcock would be calling or peenting from his singing site, when
another male woodcock would fly directly over him, constantly cackling and circling
in ever smaller concentric circles, until both males would go up in a dual flight. They would rise 75 to 100 m breast to breast, flutter but never touch, and hover for a few seconds. Then both birds would fly away, one in pursuit of the other, in a straight
and level direction. Usually the initial calling male would return to his site a minute or
two later while the antagonist would find another site or retreat into the woods for the rest of the evening.


"Among all of these observations, not once were the woodcock seen to touch. The flights did not appear to be accidental simultaneous courtship display flights by two males, nor were they believed to be mating flights. Instead, the dual flights appeared
to be deliberate confrontations between two male woodcock that were competing for the
same singing site. On the evening of 21 February 1975, we caught, in a mist net, two woodcock that were involved in the late stages of a dual flight. Both birds were males.”






Joanna & Eric Reuter
Boone County, MO







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Date: 3/4/24 6:37 am
From: Edge Wade <1edgewade...>
Subject: Swainson's Hawk migration
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This word just in from southern California:
The Swainson's Hawk migration has begun, with several reports.

Keep an eye upwards, they gotta come through MO soon!

Edge Wade
Columbia, MO
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Date: 3/3/24 2:20 pm
From: Joanna Reuter <joanna...>
Subject: Tandem woodcock flight
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The Columbia Audubon Society woodcock walk that we led at Forum Nature Area in Columbia yesterday evening had a good turnout and a lot of new faces.

The motivation for this message, though, was a curious tandem woodcock flight that was unfamiliar to anyone on the trip, so we’re curious to learn from others about encounters of this behavior.

Peenting began at 6:22 p.m. CST. Two birds were peenting to the east of where the group was standing when a third woodcock flew low over the heads of our group making an unusual sound. I lost visual contact with the bird, but it flew in the direction of the northern of the two peenting birds, and that bird took off in flight soon thereafter. The two woodcocks proceeded to fly in tandem to a height that I was able to follow with binoculars but not with the naked eye. I tracked them with binoculars until they eventually disappeared to the north behind tree tops at a substantial distance. Throughout this flight, they maintained relatively close proximity to each other, and I had the impression that they were gently spiraling around each other. eBird list: https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Febird.org%2Fchecklist%2FS163625048&data=05%7C02%<7Cmobirds-l...>%7C7cd9038c72834e2c2b7308dc3bd0045a%7Ce3fefdbef7e9401ba51a355e01b05a89%7C0%7C0%7C638451011916300910%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C40000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=XUsqoKPwHtSFABTeNaKAnD2HCuADj%2B5ejGglGOuQodU%3D&reserved=0

We guessed that these were both males, with little more to go on than an anthropomorphic instinct that the sounds of the incoming woodcock were more aggressive than romantic.

Searching the internet, I found a 1980 thesis by Raymond A. Lambert on "Habitat and behavior of the American Woodcock in northcenteral Oklahoma” (shareok.org/bitstream/handle/11244/17497/Thesis-1980-L222h.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y) with the following to say about some tandem flights that sound loosely similar:

"There has been much confusion about the nature of this dual flight and the sex of the participating woodcock. Pitelka (1943) suggested that the dual flight is due to the accidental simultaneous initiation of display flights by two male woodcock. Some ornithologists have maintained that the dual flight is a mating flight, but no evidence has ever been produced to justify this claim.

"I and other students observed this dual or tandem flight by two woodcock on the Ecology Preserve approximately 15 to 20 times. The typical pattern of a dual flight was as follows: One male woodcock would be calling or peenting from his singing site, when another male woodcock would fly directly over him, constantly cackling and circling
in ever smaller concentric circles, until both males would go up in a dual flight. They would rise 75 to 100 m breast to breast, flutter but never touch, and hover for a few seconds. Then both birds would fly away, one in pursuit of the other, in a straight and level direction. Usually the initial calling male would return to his site a minute or
two later while the antagonist would find another site or retreat into the woods for the rest of the evening.

"Among all of these observations, not once were the woodcock seen to touch. The flights did not appear to be accidental simultaneous courtship display flights by two males, nor were they believed to be mating flights. Instead, the dual flights appeared to be deliberate confrontations between two male woodcock that were competing for the
same singing site. On the evening of 21 February 1975, we caught, in a mist net, two woodcock that were involved in the late stages of a dual flight. Both birds were males.”


Joanna & Eric Reuter
Boone County, MO



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Date: 3/3/24 12:06 pm
From: Jean Ellen Whatley <jeanellenwhatley...>
Subject: Eurasian Tree Sparrows in the Bluebird Box
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Hello,

Looks like the Eurasian Tree Sparrows have encroached on the bird box that the Eastern Bluebirds hatched two broods from last year. Usually I see the BBs fly in to protect their turf, as they've already begun building a nest there again this year.

Any suggestions on how to deter them? I don't want to do anything to their nest. Has anyone had luck with the fishing wire trick where you string fishing wire via screws above the hole and at the bottom of the birdhouse? I heard it deters other birds but the BBs aren't put off by it.

Hints?

Thanks,
Jean Whatley
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Date: 3/3/24 6:27 am
From: <rankin.horton...> <rankin.horton...>
Subject: Re: On changes to North American English bird names
I agree!


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On Tuesday, January 30, 2024, 6:21 PM, A Kinslow <kinslow.a.t...> wrote:


Thank you, Greg, for your thoughtful response. I concur.
Working my entire adult career with young birders, I feel certain that these honorific names that take away from the natural history of the birds we all know and love WILL be changed. 
It is just a matter of time. 
Either we can rename birds for their habitats, habits, and characteristics and remove the stigma of eponyms, or future generations will do it for us and wonder why we waited. This is the right thing to do.
Andrew KinslowColumbia and Fordland, Missouri



On Tue, Jan 30, 2024 at 5:43 PM Greg Swick <grswick...> wrote:

Dear MoBirders:
Lanny Chambers wrote:
“I suspect the AOS will do what it wants to do, regardless of what anyone else thinks.”

I am a birder, and I “think” I  wholeheartedly agree that the AOS decision to eliminate eponymous labels is based upon the idea that thoughtful, descriptive names facilitate bird identification because they embrace helpful field marks and/or habitats, and they respect equally all contributions to our understanding of nature, including those of women, indigenous cultures, and marginalized groups.

I am also pleased that AOS has no interest in making individual eponymous naming decisions based upon the moral evaluation and judgments of a select committee, no matter who comprise that committee.

There is no intent to rewrite history here, but simply to value the birds as autonomous, living organisms unlinked to some artificial human construct of either possession, social status, or both.

The lives of those people recognized in eponyms will remain intact, and their behaviors in life, good and bad, will hopefully be recorded and preserved in increasingly more accurate and truthful historical accounts. It does not serve posterity well to cover up either accomplishments or atrocities.

Let’s move boldly forward to support all efforts to facilitate access to more relevant bird knowledge and to welcome and respect our increasingly diverse and numerous bird conservation advocates. It will take the passion all of us working together to meet the challenges facing our winged wonders.

Good birding,
Greg Swick
Ozark,MO




> On Jan 30, 2024, at 1:49 PM, Lanny Chambers <lannychambers...> wrote:
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> I suspect the AOS will do what it wants to do, regardless of what anyone else thinks. If they do throw the baby out with the bathwater, we still have the option to ignore them and to use birds' historical common names among ourselves. Anyone who objects to that will be exposing themselves as more interested in supercilious pedantry than in birds.
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> I have no intention of changing the names of five species on my hummingbird website wherever they appear. I tried after the AOS changed Magnificent to back to Rivoli's, for a different stupid reason, and I probably missed a couple of occurrences; I'm expecting them now to reverse themselves again. Nope, not gonna play that game. No one is more pro-inclusivity than me, but this is simply woke roulette, and it gives doing the right thing a bad name, as well as offering fuel to those who would do the wrong thing.
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Date: 3/3/24 6:17 am
From: Timothy Barksdale <timothy.barksdale...>
Subject: Re: Question for a few
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Hello Mobsters!

I've now heard back from quite a few people privately and read the on-line responses too. First-

It is a gray drippy day and across the road in the pool which keeps trying to become a wetland instead of a farm field, the Killdeer (11), Wilson's Snipe (4) and today are joined by a single Baird's Sandpiper. In 1994, I took my first trip to film at the furthest wintering grounds of Baird's. (Wilson's Phalaropes along with several other species were surprisingly common too.) Through my 32 years of filming birds as a profession, after working as a field biologist for MDC and the USFWS, my appreciation of at least some of the conditions which a species like Baird's and the habitat and even countries along the migration pathways has only deepened. Finding multiple nests (not concentrated) at the base of a Canadian mountain far into the arctic archipelago, and noticing minute changes in plumage for better concealment of nesting females have been tiny but meaningful moments.

Whether I have had assignments or conducted month long (or longer) expeditions on my own because the goal is to lead viewers into deeper experiences with our subject or locations, things take longer. This time allows for an enrichment of the experience while allowing for deeper and deeper research into every aspect of the life history of the species or habitat I may be working in.

As a life-long birder, who also began to take photographs of birds before I was 14, I find that the experience of filming birds, wildlife and natural history has been like a construction project. Proper ground work leads to foundation, foundation leads to frame. etc.

With Greater Prairie Chickens, I spent 7 years accumulating data and materials; recorded interviews with over 20 National professionals, several ranchers & farmers, and a few educators along with a noted World authority or two; then assimilated this into my professional experience as a biologist, before completing the first draft of the film. The end result (9 years total) was a product which played on well over 187 PBS stations over 2 years and certainly reached well into the millions of viewers. Please note: PBS does not provide me with precise numbers. I have to pay to get them. I have estimates and numbers which were reported directly to me from several of my inside contacts. In spite of this, my film won 6 awards including internationally: a Best Nature Film in a European competition. Over the past few years, I have been invited to show the finished version in Iowa, Michigan and last year a repeat in Council Grove, Kansas where I participated with the State Biologist and Dr. Jackie Augustine.

During my research, I ended up acquiring Charles W. Schwartz's original, hand-typed manuscript, along with original images and hand-drawn maps of precise ranges and numbers of birds in each location, and Libby's corrections in the margins. To be honest, it felt a bit like the hand of god had touched my life and film. The sense of responsibility of carrying on the torch of a great biologist like either of the Schwartz's is enormous. The Schwartzs were certainly two of the people whose lives were primarily devoted to building MDC into the widely and highly respected state agency it is today.

This generation has been called the "Greatest Generation" and some of the notable achievements which we would be interested in include: the prevention of the extinction of the Trumpeter Swan, and the two most dire: California Condor and Whooping Crane among numerous other significant victories. Certainly, there were also misses.

As I said above, my research was conducted nationally and with World experts. Because of that my perspective is not limited. So, because I have agreed to write an article on the Schwartz period and am working on my publication- A Plan for the Recovery of the Greater Prairie Chicken in Missouri, I will conclude today's with the wisdom of Jeffrey Walk, PhD from his summary of the status of Greater Prairie Chicken in Illinois- "The recovery potential of the Greater Prairie Chicken is very good, and is limited ONLY by human motivation to provide adequate habitat." ( Caps are my emphasis)


Tim Barksdale
Mokane, MO






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Date: 3/1/24 10:45 am
From: Monacell, Peter L. <plmonacell...>
Subject: Winter Reports Due March 19
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Good afternoon everyone,

As Kendell mentioned, I’ll be compiling the report for the 2023-24 winter season. So, below is the blurb requesting your data. If you use eBird regularly, it’s not necessary that you send me a report, unless you want to be sure to call my attention to specific bird observations, population trends, weather events, or other information that would be essential to a full account of the avian winter season. I’m also happy to receive photographs, as described below. Thank you!

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The end of February brought the close of the avian winter season (December 1 - February 29). Please take some time to sort through your sightings for this period and send me your winter seasonal report on or before Tuesday, March 19. Contact information is listed at the end of this email.

Your seasonal report should only include significant sightings during this period. Examples of "significant sightings" include:

* any species listed as “rare," “casual," or "accidental" on the Annotated Checklist of Missouri Birds: https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmobirds.org%2FBirds%2FMOChecklist.aspx&data=05%7C02%<7CMOBIRDS-L...>%7Cfa0edff3e55e4767cbd508dc3a1fa85a%7Ce3fefdbef7e9401ba51a355e01b05a89%7C0%7C0%7C638449154844319865%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=WWimmbhLaxIX9263Gmig1Lal9gso0Rpf%2FPaZFemt5iU%3D&reserved=0

*unusually early or late dates - check Mark Robbins's excellent resource, The Status and Distribution of Birds in Missouri, second edition, available for free download at https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fkuscholarworks.ku.edu%2Fhandle%2F1808%2F30959&data=05%7C02%<7CMOBIRDS-L...>%7Cfa0edff3e55e4767cbd508dc3a1fa85a%7Ce3fefdbef7e9401ba51a355e01b05a89%7C0%7C0%7C638449154844319865%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=T3SSHCY%2FQSXWTpntyEE%2BJbOtpSSTlOpFP1pX%2BG0M9uo%3D&reserved=0

* high counts or unusually low counts (also include a note if a species usually present in your area during this period appeared to be absent or unusually abundant).

Information about weather events and observations in your area may also prove helpful.

Please include the following information:
1) Species
2) Number observed
3) Age/Sex (if known)
4) County
5) Location (i.e. park, residence, city, etc.)
6) Date
7) Additional Notes (such as notes about how you arrived at a particularly difficult identification, and whether you submitted documentation for casual or accidental species)
8) Observer(s)

PHOTOS -- Submissions of photos showing your significant sightings during the season are encouraged. Images can be emailed in JPEG format.

The data you provide is used to produce the regional report published in the American Birding Association's "journal of record for birders," North American Birds; and, a summary of sightings is also published in The Bluebird.

PLEASE REMEMBER -- Your sightings should be either submitted directly to me or in eBird public output in order to be considered for inclusion in the final seasonal report. Sightings posted only to MOBIRDS-L will not be included in the report.

Please send your sightings to me at one of the addresses below on or before Tuesday, March 19. I’ll reply to each email to confirm receipt.


Thank you,
Pete Monacell

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Date: 3/1/24 5:06 am
From: Kendell Loyd <kloyd.birds...>
Subject: Re: Winter Seasonal Reports due March 19
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My apologies, folks! This was a scheduled email. Pete Monacell will be doing the winter report. If you send me any reports, I will forward them to him. Thank you all!

On Fri, Mar 1, 2024 at 7:00 AM Kendell Loyd <kloyd.birds...><mailto:<kloyd.birds...>> wrote:
The end of February brought the close of the avian Winter season (December 1 - February 29). Please take some time to sort through your sightings for this period and send me your Winter Seasonal Report before March 19. Contact information is listed at the end of this email.

Information about weather events and observations in your area would be very helpful as would photos, especially of rare and unusual species, seen during this period.

If you have submitted your sightings to eBird, there is no need to send them to me. I can access them from the eBird database.

Your seasonal report should only include significant sightings during the period. Examples of "significant sightings" include:

* any species listed as "rare", "casual", or "accidental" on the Annotated Checklist of Missouri Birds: https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmobirds.org%2FMBRC%2FMOChecklist.asp&data=05%7C02%<7CMOBIRDS-L...>%7C551a8f89cb8f4ca5233808dc39f05737%7Ce3fefdbef7e9401ba51a355e01b05a89%7C0%7C0%7C638448951611890459%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=MJipyY%2FpYWAv4Yx%2BjMe5b2caTqleIlRttsC6jBNecQ0%3D&reserved=0;

*unusually early or late dates (check Mark Robbins excellent resource in the updated 'The Status and Distribution of Birds in Missouri' available for free download at https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fkuscholarworks.ku.edu%2Fhandle%2F1808%2F26287&data=05%7C02%<7CMOBIRDS-L...>%7C551a8f89cb8f4ca5233808dc39f05737%7Ce3fefdbef7e9401ba51a355e01b05a89%7C0%7C0%7C638448951611890459%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=fnR%2FsXNmRfc7Z%2BatLhRN%2BSUqGFYzZC6%2FSRiElucwaJU%3D&reserved=0 <https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fkuscholarworks.ku.edu%2Fhandle%2F1808%2F26287&data=05%7C02%<7CMOBIRDS-L...>%7C551a8f89cb8f4ca5233808dc39f05737%7Ce3fefdbef7e9401ba51a355e01b05a89%7C0%7C0%7C638448951611890459%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=fnR%2FsXNmRfc7Z%2BatLhRN%2BSUqGFYzZC6%2FSRiElucwaJU%3D&reserved=0> )

* high counts or unusually low counts (also include a note if a species usually present in your area during this period appeared to be completely absent or unusually abundant).

Please include the following information:
1) Species
2) Number observed
3) Age/Sex (if known)
4) County
5) Location (i.e. park, residence, city, etc.)
6) Date
7) Additional Notes (such as notes about how you arrived at a particularly difficult identification, and whether you submitted documentation for casual or accidental species)
8) Observer(s)

PHOTOS -- Submission of photos showing your significant sightings through the season is encouraged. High-resolution images can be emailed in JPEG format.

The data you provide is used to produce the regional report published in the American Birding Association's "journal of record for birders," North American Birds; and a summary of sightings is also published in the ASM's quarterly publication, The Bluebird.

PLEASE REMEMBER -- Your sightings should be either submitted directly to me or in the ebird public output in order to be considered for inclusion in the final seasonal report. Sightings posted only to MOBIRDS-L or other social media sites may be missed in the report.

Please send your sightings to me at one of the addresses below before Sunday, March 19. I will reply to each email to confirm receipt.

Email: <kloyd892...><mailto:<kloyd892...> [Subject the email with Winter Seasonal Report

Mailing address:
1730 E Valley Water Mill Rd, Apt D108; Springfield, MO 65803


Thank you!

--
Kendell Loyd
573-776-0901
Springfield, MO
Missouri Bird Records Committee
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Date: 3/1/24 5:02 am
From: Kendell Loyd <kloyd.birds...>
Subject: Winter Seasonal Reports due March 19
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The end of February brought the close of the avian Winter season (December 1 - February 29). Please take some time to sort through your sightings for this period and send me your Winter Seasonal Report before March 19. Contact information is listed at the end of this email.

Information about weather events and observations in your area would be very helpful as would photos, especially of rare and unusual species, seen during this period.

If you have submitted your sightings to eBird, there is no need to send them to me. I can access them from the eBird database.

Your seasonal report should only include significant sightings during the period. Examples of "significant sightings" include:

* any species listed as "rare", "casual", or "accidental" on the Annotated Checklist of Missouri Birds: https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmobirds.org%2FMBRC%2FMOChecklist.asp&data=05%7C02%<7CMOBIRDS-L...>%7C9e7340c4147c425b0a0108dc39efafac%7Ce3fefdbef7e9401ba51a355e01b05a89%7C0%7C0%7C638448948806651309%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=zkHf0emS1Y928wNnU%2BY73lbagPfbbcP97j9glGK6xGs%3D&reserved=0;

*unusually early or late dates (check Mark Robbins excellent resource in the updated 'The Status and Distribution of Birds in Missouri' available for free download at https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fkuscholarworks.ku.edu%2Fhandle%2F1808%2F26287&data=05%7C02%<7CMOBIRDS-L...>%7C9e7340c4147c425b0a0108dc39efafac%7Ce3fefdbef7e9401ba51a355e01b05a89%7C0%7C0%7C638448948806651309%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=JVOwlPZAqjQd3prIQlVPcPd8E4ZHtK5AxmppNEsFIqg%3D&reserved=0 <https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fkuscholarworks.ku.edu%2Fhandle%2F1808%2F26287&data=05%7C02%<7CMOBIRDS-L...>%7C9e7340c4147c425b0a0108dc39efafac%7Ce3fefdbef7e9401ba51a355e01b05a89%7C0%7C0%7C638448948806651309%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=JVOwlPZAqjQd3prIQlVPcPd8E4ZHtK5AxmppNEsFIqg%3D&reserved=0> )

* high counts or unusually low counts (also include a note if a species usually present in your area during this period appeared to be completely absent or unusually abundant).

Please include the following information:
1) Species
2) Number observed
3) Age/Sex (if known)
4) County
5) Location (i.e. park, residence, city, etc.)
6) Date
7) Additional Notes (such as notes about how you arrived at a particularly difficult identification, and whether you submitted documentation for casual or accidental species)
8) Observer(s)

PHOTOS -- Submission of photos showing your significant sightings through the season is encouraged. High-resolution images can be emailed in JPEG format.

The data you provide is used to produce the regional report published in the American Birding Association's "journal of record for birders," North American Birds; and a summary of sightings is also published in the ASM's quarterly publication, The Bluebird.

PLEASE REMEMBER -- Your sightings should be either submitted directly to me or in the ebird public output in order to be considered for inclusion in the final seasonal report. Sightings posted only to MOBIRDS-L or other social media sites may be missed in the report.

Please send your sightings to me at one of the addresses below before Sunday, March 19. I will reply to each email to confirm receipt.

Email: <kloyd892...><mailto:<kloyd892...> [Subject the email with Winter Seasonal Report

Mailing address:
1730 E Valley Water Mill Rd, Apt D108; Springfield, MO 65803


Thank you!

--
Kendell Loyd
573-776-0901
Springfield, MO
Missouri Bird Records Committee
Missouri Christmas Bird Count Compiler



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Date: 2/28/24 7:40 am
From: Edge Wade <1edgewade...>
Subject: Re: Question for a few
No, Tim, I don't feel we should give up, but I do know we must look at the
cultural/political/economic realities of today. I am a pragmatist, not a
pessimist.

Corporate farming, large scale "family" monoculture farms, Farm Bureau's
attitude/policies (and I don't mean insurance), a research university
kowtowing to chemical conglomerates, conservation-oriented NGOs funded
largely by middle income individuals (many of us on fixed incomes), a state
legislature that perennially spews forth assinine bills intended to
emasculate MDC, court battles to thwart land acquisition by DNR, a
dwindling hunting population (the base population responsible for the
formation of MDC) most of whom do not hunt grassland species, an
increasingly urban population with little contact or appreciation of
natural systems ...those are the realities of today.

Those realities are compounded by the scale of landscape necessary to
support a sustainable population of Greater Prairie-Chickens.

We should not give up, but we must be realistic in the process of the
effort to re-establish this iconic species in Missouri.

We're not going to hear booming on our prairies again in my lifetime, and
maybe not in yours, Tim, or most of the people reading this.

So, how do we go about the process? Financially support the conservation
oriented NGOs and gently/firmly urge them to focus on supporting
acquisition of suitable land on a larger scale than in recent years, and
support MDC and give credit when due for what they've done.

MDC has a great record with wetlands/waterfowl restoration. Why? Because
waterfowl hunters and federal programs support these efforts with voice and
dollars.

Only when something similar in emphasis and support (dollars as well as
words) becomes the norm for grasslands will we have the cultural/economic
climate to promote land acquisition on a scale large enough to maintain
Greater Prairie-Chicken habitat.

Edge Wade
usually in Columbia, MO
<1edgewade...>

On Wed, Feb 28, 2024 at 9:02 AM Timothy Barksdale <
<timothy.barksdale...> wrote:

> WARNING: This message has originated from an External Source. This may be
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> I noticed several public comments to this list serve regarding what people
> think about the sustainability of GReater Prairie Chickens in Missouri.
> Several people felt or thought they were no longer "sustainable". This
> negative feeling (or pessimistic) is very different than what actually
> caused the creation of MDC in 1934.
>
> I wondered if any of you have or had any scientific basis for this thought
> and why others are not Outraged that this species is being allowed to
> vanish from our landscape?
>
> Do you also feel that prairie is unsustainable? Should we give up on
> Missouri Prairie even though this biome once covered over 30% of our
> landscape?
>
> Do you support Missouri Prairie Foundation or the Nature Conservancy's
> efforts to reestablish prairies? MDC owns quite a few tiny remnant prairies
> which are also highly endangered, should we give up on them too? What
> about the private efforts by others like Rudi Roeslein in Putnam Co. or are
> these just also a waste of time?
>
> Do you feel that a better balance should be attempted by MDC to equal the
> proportions of forest/ prairie? Including Mark Twain NF and LAD there are
> over 5 million acres of forest in Missouri.
>
> Rudolph Bennitt wrote there were over 15 million acres of Prairie. As far
> as Prairie goes today, there is currently less than 0.003% remaining.
>
> I'd like to hear your thoughts on this.
>
>
>
> Tim Barksdale
> Mokane, MO
>
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Date: 2/28/24 6:58 am
From: Timothy Barksdale <timothy.barksdale...>
Subject: Question for a few
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I noticed several public comments to this list serve regarding what people think about the sustainability of GReater Prairie Chickens in Missouri. Several people felt or thought they were no longer "sustainable". This negative feeling (or pessimistic) is very different than what actually caused the creation of MDC in 1934.

I wondered if any of you have or had any scientific basis for this thought and why others are not Outraged that this species is being allowed to vanish from our landscape?

Do you also feel that prairie is unsustainable? Should we give up on Missouri Prairie even though this biome once covered over 30% of our landscape?

Do you support Missouri Prairie Foundation or the Nature Conservancy's efforts to reestablish prairies? MDC owns quite a few tiny remnant prairies which are also highly endangered, should we give up on them too? What about the private efforts by others like Rudi Roeslein in Putnam Co. or are these just also a waste of time?

Do you feel that a better balance should be attempted by MDC to equal the proportions of forest/ prairie? Including Mark Twain NF and LAD there are over 5 million acres of forest in Missouri.

Rudolph Bennitt wrote there were over 15 million acres of Prairie. As far as Prairie goes today, there is currently less than 0.003% remaining.

I'd like to hear your thoughts on this.



Tim Barksdale
Mokane, MO


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Date: 2/27/24 4:03 pm
From: David Becher <davidbecher...>
Subject: WGNSS Birding 2/29 and 3/2
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Thursday, we will meet at Teal Pond at Riverlands at 8 am.

Saturday, we will meet at the Blue Grosbeak Trail (Busch Greenway - Howell Trailhead) at 8 am.

David Becher
Saint Louis


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Date: 2/27/24 8:00 am
From: Edge Wade <1edgewade...>
Subject: Message from Eagle Bluffs Manager Joe Zoellner
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Forwarded by Edge Wade with thanks to Greg Leonard for sharing.

From the Friends of Eagle Bluffs Newsletter:

As we transition from winter to spring, we have both pumps running and we will maintain water levels where they are currently at or maybe slightly higher if possible. As we see waterfowl make their way north, we will begin to drain water from the pools in mid to late March to begin our draw down process which ensures we have bare moist soil exposed throughout the growing season to promote germination of desirable wetland plants as well as provide mudflats for migrating shorebirds.

We have several prescribed fires planned for the area, that we will conduct from now to early May, if need be, but we generally try to wrap up our burning operations by mid-April.

These prescribed fires will be used to set back excessive small woody encroachment in wetland pools and along levees, as well as clear organic material from the soil surface to promote germination of plants. They look black and barren at first, but by mid summer will be lush and green!

We also intend to complete a fairly significant amount of disturbance disking in our wetland pools throughout the spring to early summer, to set back areas of undesirable vegetation and promote high seed producing annual species to feed the migratory waterbirds that frequent our area.

The only closures we have right now are the areas designated as waterfowl refuge are still closed to all uses until March 1 (this includes the roads back to pools 14 and 15, gates will be opened March 1). The overlook boardwalk and platform is still also closed for repairs.

I would also like to add a small tidbit about why we have areas designated as refuge, as this has been a popular topic amongst area users as of late.

Eagle Bluffs Conservation Area has approximately 1200 acres of wetland habitat that is designated as waterfowl refuge from October 15th through March 1, much of this can still be viewed from the main road but is closed to all uses during this time.

This is uniform amongst all 15 of Missouri’s intensively managed wetlands. These dates are set around when we begin to see migratory waterfowl show up in Missouri and accommodate them all the way through the bulk of their return migration in the spring, hence the March 1 reopening. These involatile refuge acres do not just cater to waterfowl but all migratory bird species and offer them a place to rest and refuel through the duration of their migration, undisturbed by any human interaction.

It can take anywhere from a few days to a few weeks for migratory birds to recover from a significant migration depending on the quality of the habitat they have available, and at Eagle Bluffs we strive to provide them with the best quality habitat we can!

Eagle Bluffs staff do the best they can to stay out of these areas during refuge dates, and only enter them to make management adjustments to water levels or habitat when absolutely necessary and be sure to do so as non-intrusively as possible.

Maintaining high quality refuge on the area is good for everyone as a high number of birds means a high chance of encounters for all user groups! I am happy to say that the users of Eagle Bluffs seem strongly in favor and supportive of these refuge areas.

As people are out and about enjoying the area this year, I encourage them to visit with myself or staff if they have any management or area specific questions or concerns.


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