Great day birding ,starting out with a kingfisher.
At shelburne bay , there were many scaup, common mergansers, ,bufflehead, hooded mergansers, and goldeneyes, one cormorant and one great blue heron.
Also , one red tailed hawk, and an immature eagle feasting on an unidentified object .
BUT BEST was in a corn field to the right hand side of the shelburne pond access road. There were 2 large mixed flocks of snow buntings and horned larks rising and falling over the field. A guessestimate would be at least 50 of each species.
There was nary a bird on the pond.
Date: 12/5/23 4:09 pm From: Steve Smith <ethologicac...> Subject: Re: [VTBIRD] Skeins of geese
I was outside working on the Burlington waterfront all day and saw seven
very large skeins pass overhead.
Wondering if this cold front triggered a little motivation to move.
On Tue, Dec 5, 2023 at 3:04 PM Elizabeth Alton <redbnuthatch...>
wrote:
> Thousands also went over Burlington today as I was walking the bike path
> around noon time. All headed SW.
> Liz Alton, Milton, VT
>
> On Tue, Dec 5, 2023 at 2:18 PM Katherine Donahue <kdonahue36...>
> wrote:
>
> > And, over 400 geese now on Lake Runnymede, Windsor. Replacing the several
> > hundred Mallards there yesterday.
> > Kate Donahue
> > Hartland
> >
> > On Tue, Dec 5, 2023 at 2:10 PM Susan Paradis <susanp.fcwc...>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Had a couple hundred fly over our house this morning after not seeing
> any
> > > for quite a while.
> > > Susan Paradis
> > > Middlesex
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Dec 5, 2023, 2:06 PM Mundi Smithers <amen1farm...>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Since about noon I’ve been watching, off and on, enormous skeins of
> > > Canada
> > > > Geese flying over my house from NW to SE. Numbers in the thousands,
> > I’m
> > > > sure.
> > > >
> > > > Quite a display!
> > > >
> > > > Mundi
> > > > North Pownal
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Mundi Smithers
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > The greatest tragedy in mankind's enitire history may be the
> hijacking
> > of
> > > > morality by religion.
> > > > Arthur C Clarke (1917-2008)
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
>
> --
> Liz Alton:
> "Keep a green tree in your heart; perhaps a singing bird will come."
>
I could hear them when I took my walk after dark this evening. Old Marsh on Grand Isle East Shore and between Grand Isle and Savage Island.
Barclay
> On Dec 5, 2023, at 4:32 PM, Rita Pitkin <ritapitkin15...> wrote:
>
> Same in Wolcott this AM, but with very low clouds where I am, couldn’t see
> them. Sure could hear them.
>
> On Tue, Dec 5, 2023 at 2:06 PM Mundi Smithers <amen1farm...> wrote:
>
>> Since about noon I’ve been watching, off and on, enormous skeins of Canada
>> Geese flying over my house from NW to SE. Numbers in the thousands, I’m
>> sure.
>>
>> Quite a display!
>>
>> Mundi
>> North Pownal
>>
>>
>> Mundi Smithers
>>
>>
>> The greatest tragedy in mankind's enitire history may be the hijacking of
>> morality by religion.
>> Arthur C Clarke (1917-2008)
>>
Date: 12/5/23 1:32 pm From: Rita Pitkin <ritapitkin15...> Subject: Re: [VTBIRD] Skeins of geese
Same in Wolcott this AM, but with very low clouds where I am, couldn’t see
them. Sure could hear them.
On Tue, Dec 5, 2023 at 2:06 PM Mundi Smithers <amen1farm...> wrote:
> Since about noon I’ve been watching, off and on, enormous skeins of Canada
> Geese flying over my house from NW to SE. Numbers in the thousands, I’m
> sure.
>
> Quite a display!
>
> Mundi
> North Pownal
>
>
> Mundi Smithers
>
>
> The greatest tragedy in mankind's enitire history may be the hijacking of
> morality by religion.
> Arthur C Clarke (1917-2008)
>
Date: 12/5/23 1:32 pm From: Pat Folsom <pfols...> Subject: Re: [VTBIRD] Skeins of geese
Saw several skeins in Waitsfield, midday.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Susan Paradis" <susanp.fcwc...>
To: "VT Bird" <VTBIRD...>
Sent: Tuesday, December 5, 2023 2:09:54 PM
Subject: Re: [VTBIRD] Skeins of geese
Had a couple hundred fly over our house this morning after not seeing any
for quite a while.
Susan Paradis
Middlesex
On Tue, Dec 5, 2023, 2:06 PM Mundi Smithers <amen1farm...> wrote:
> Since about noon I’ve been watching, off and on, enormous skeins of Canada
> Geese flying over my house from NW to SE. Numbers in the thousands, I’m
> sure.
>
> Quite a display!
>
> Mundi
> North Pownal
>
>
> Mundi Smithers
>
>
> The greatest tragedy in mankind's enitire history may be the hijacking of
> morality by religion.
> Arthur C Clarke (1917-2008)
>
Over 3000 in 2 1/2 hours at Shelburne Farms this morning.
On Tue, Dec 5, 2023 at 3:04 PM Elizabeth Alton <redbnuthatch...>
wrote:
> Thousands also went over Burlington today as I was walking the bike path
> around noon time. All headed SW.
> Liz Alton, Milton, VT
>
> On Tue, Dec 5, 2023 at 2:18 PM Katherine Donahue <kdonahue36...>
> wrote:
>
> > And, over 400 geese now on Lake Runnymede, Windsor. Replacing the several
> > hundred Mallards there yesterday.
> > Kate Donahue
> > Hartland
> >
> > On Tue, Dec 5, 2023 at 2:10 PM Susan Paradis <susanp.fcwc...>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Had a couple hundred fly over our house this morning after not seeing
> any
> > > for quite a while.
> > > Susan Paradis
> > > Middlesex
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Dec 5, 2023, 2:06 PM Mundi Smithers <amen1farm...>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Since about noon I’ve been watching, off and on, enormous skeins of
> > > Canada
> > > > Geese flying over my house from NW to SE. Numbers in the thousands,
> > I’m
> > > > sure.
> > > >
> > > > Quite a display!
> > > >
> > > > Mundi
> > > > North Pownal
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Mundi Smithers
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > The greatest tragedy in mankind's enitire history may be the
> hijacking
> > of
> > > > morality by religion.
> > > > Arthur C Clarke (1917-2008)
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
>
> --
> Liz Alton:
> "Keep a green tree in your heart; perhaps a singing bird will come."
>
Date: 12/5/23 12:04 pm From: Elizabeth Alton <redbnuthatch...> Subject: Re: [VTBIRD] Skeins of geese
Thousands also went over Burlington today as I was walking the bike path
around noon time. All headed SW.
Liz Alton, Milton, VT
On Tue, Dec 5, 2023 at 2:18 PM Katherine Donahue <kdonahue36...>
wrote:
> And, over 400 geese now on Lake Runnymede, Windsor. Replacing the several
> hundred Mallards there yesterday.
> Kate Donahue
> Hartland
>
> On Tue, Dec 5, 2023 at 2:10 PM Susan Paradis <susanp.fcwc...>
> wrote:
>
> > Had a couple hundred fly over our house this morning after not seeing any
> > for quite a while.
> > Susan Paradis
> > Middlesex
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Dec 5, 2023, 2:06 PM Mundi Smithers <amen1farm...> wrote:
> >
> > > Since about noon I’ve been watching, off and on, enormous skeins of
> > Canada
> > > Geese flying over my house from NW to SE. Numbers in the thousands,
> I’m
> > > sure.
> > >
> > > Quite a display!
> > >
> > > Mundi
> > > North Pownal
> > >
> > >
> > > Mundi Smithers
> > >
> > >
> > > The greatest tragedy in mankind's enitire history may be the hijacking
> of
> > > morality by religion.
> > > Arthur C Clarke (1917-2008)
> > >
> >
>
--
Liz Alton:
"Keep a green tree in your heart; perhaps a singing bird will come."
Date: 12/5/23 11:18 am From: Katherine Donahue <kdonahue36...> Subject: Re: [VTBIRD] Skeins of geese
And, over 400 geese now on Lake Runnymede, Windsor. Replacing the several
hundred Mallards there yesterday.
Kate Donahue
Hartland
On Tue, Dec 5, 2023 at 2:10 PM Susan Paradis <susanp.fcwc...> wrote:
> Had a couple hundred fly over our house this morning after not seeing any
> for quite a while.
> Susan Paradis
> Middlesex
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 5, 2023, 2:06 PM Mundi Smithers <amen1farm...> wrote:
>
> > Since about noon I’ve been watching, off and on, enormous skeins of
> Canada
> > Geese flying over my house from NW to SE. Numbers in the thousands, I’m
> > sure.
> >
> > Quite a display!
> >
> > Mundi
> > North Pownal
> >
> >
> > Mundi Smithers
> >
> >
> > The greatest tragedy in mankind's enitire history may be the hijacking of
> > morality by religion.
> > Arthur C Clarke (1917-2008)
> >
>
Date: 12/5/23 11:10 am From: Susan Paradis <susanp.fcwc...> Subject: Re: [VTBIRD] Skeins of geese
Had a couple hundred fly over our house this morning after not seeing any
for quite a while.
Susan Paradis
Middlesex
On Tue, Dec 5, 2023, 2:06 PM Mundi Smithers <amen1farm...> wrote:
> Since about noon I’ve been watching, off and on, enormous skeins of Canada
> Geese flying over my house from NW to SE. Numbers in the thousands, I’m
> sure.
>
> Quite a display!
>
> Mundi
> North Pownal
>
>
> Mundi Smithers
>
>
> The greatest tragedy in mankind's enitire history may be the hijacking of
> morality by religion.
> Arthur C Clarke (1917-2008)
>
Date: 12/5/23 11:06 am From: Mundi Smithers <amen1farm...> Subject: [VTBIRD] Skeins of geese
Since about noon I’ve been watching, off and on, enormous skeins of Canada Geese flying over my house from NW to SE. Numbers in the thousands, I’m sure.
Quite a display!
Mundi
North Pownal
Mundi Smithers
The greatest tragedy in mankind's enitire history may be the hijacking of morality by religion.
Arthur C Clarke (1917-2008)
I saw this eBird report, just now, wondering if public access? If so, how/where?
Dec 04, 2023 11:45, Rutland. R.R., Grand Isle, Vermont (https://www.google.com/maps/search/?api=1&<query...>,-73.3155441) , David H., The flock of 25-30 or more Dunlin flew up from underfoot, twice
swirled east and west right in front of me, then flew east and presumably up and south behind the trees. All were uniformly light-breasted — no Purple Sandpipers.
Date: 12/4/23 6:35 pm From: Ken Copenhaver <copenhvr...> Subject: [VTBIRD] Missisquoi NWR Bird Monitoring Walk
Please join us for our monthly bird monitoring walks on the refuge. Ken Copenhaver and Julie Filiberti lead the walks on various refuge trails on the 3rd Saturday of each month (except December when it is on the 2nd Saturday). The purpose of the walks is to gather long-term data on the presence of birds, their abundance, and changes in populations. Observations are entered into the Vermont eBird database where data is stored by the Cornell Lab of Ornithology. These walks are appropriate for birders of all skill levels and provide a wonderful opportunity to learn about birds throughout the seasons. After 163 months of walks, we have recorded 164 species of birds.
This month's walk will be on *Saturday, December 9, from 8:00 to 10:00 AM at the Black/Maquam Creek Trail*. Meet at the parking lot on Rt 78, about 2.5 miles west of Swanton village.
Trail description: The walk starts at a gravel parking lot and proceeds on a grassy path. It then goes up a short but fairly steep bank to cross the railroad tracks, and back down a similar bank. The rest of the trail through the floodplain forest is level with trail surfaces varying from gravel, to a long boardwalk, to a somewhat rougher trail near the end. There are three benches along the trail, including one at the end. Total distance, out and back, is about 2.25 miles.
Trail conditions: Considering all the sloppy weather we've had lately, it's never a bad idea to wear waterproof shoes.
If you have any questions, contact me at <copenhvr...>
Date: 12/4/23 9:55 am From: Terry Marron, Windstone Farm <tgmarron...> Subject: Re: [VTBIRD] Delta Park Invasive Removal Day
Here is a more detailed post for the workday.
Fall/Winter Volunteer Opportunity – Help the Winooski Valley Park District (WVPD) with management of invasive plants at Delta Park in Colchester.
The WVPD is looking to set up several invasive removal days over the fall and winter to help remove seed bearing stems of relevant invasive species. Species include but are not limited to - common buckthorn (Rhamnus cathartica), glossy buckthorn (Frangula alnus), Oriental bittersweet (Celastrus orbiculatus), multiflora rose (Rosa multiflora), and honeysuckle species (Lonicera spp).
While the ground is still soft we will utilize weed wrenches to remove stumps and roots, and when this is no longer possible we will be targeting some of the larger seed-bearing stems and cutting them to reduce the abundance of mature seed bearing invasives throughout the natural area.
Workdays will be on Monday and Tuesdays, currently scheduled dates include 12/5, 12/11, 12/12 from 930-1230.
Please reach out to WVPD Parks Superintendent Timothy Larned at <timlarned...> for more information.
> On 12/04/2023 12:49 PM EST Terry Marron <tgmarron...> wrote:
>
>
> WVPD will be out at Delta Park on December 5th 930-1230, December 11th 930-1230 and December 12th 930-1230. On December 11th some partners from Burlington Wildways will be joining us to learn more about the project and to help out.
>
> Work will be weather dependent, but as long as it is not pouring we plan to be out there.
>
> Gloves, water bottle, long pants and clothes you do not mind getting dirty. We should have plenty of tools for any helpers that can join us.
>
> There may be some other opportunities so even if you cannot join these dates we will keep you in the loop. Parking is at the end of Windemere Way in Colchester or in the larger F&W boat launch parking lot.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Timothy Larned
> <timlarned...>
> WVPD Parks Superintendent
>
> This is a popular birding hot spot and thought the birding community may be interested in helping improve the habitat for our feathered friends!
>
> Terry Marron
>
> Williston, VT
Date: 12/4/23 9:50 am From: Terry Marron <tgmarron...> Subject: [VTBIRD] Delta Park Invasive Removal Day
WVPD will be out at Delta Park on December 5th 930-1230, December 11th 930-1230 and December 12th 930-1230. On December 11th some partners from Burlington Wildways will be joining us to learn more about the project and to help out.
Work will be weather dependent, but as long as it is not pouring we plan to be out there.
Gloves, water bottle, long pants and clothes you do not mind getting dirty. We should have plenty of tools for any helpers that can join us.
There may be some other opportunities so even if you cannot join these dates we will keep you in the loop. Parking is at the end of Windemere Way in Colchester or in the larger F&W boat launch parking lot.
Thanks,
Timothy Larned <timlarned...> WVPD Parks Superintendent
This is a popular birding hot spot and thought the birding community may be interested in helping improve the habitat for our feathered friends!
Date: 12/3/23 5:57 am From: Jeffrey Allen <jjapple88...> Subject: Re: [VTBIRD] VTBIRD Digest - 1 Dec 2023 to 2 Dec 2023 (#2023-289)
Richard,
Thank you for so eloquently voicing your concern about naming.
It is a bit opportunistic of me but I’d like to say that I am done with naming things after people in general. Not quite as strongly as I feel about naming stadiums after corporations, but I don't have control over the world, right?
When they renamed Burlington international airport after Patrick Leahy, I started feeling I needed to do something about this. This is not about politics! I loved his work. He was a long-term neighbor of mine, really good man. I just think we need to get more and more out of the human-centric and yes narcissistic world of naming things after our species and start naming things based on place or longer history or natural history. Even Vermont International Airport would be better if they can’t stay with BTV. Or perhaps Pitawbagw International.
Sorry for the rant but stay creative and I’m sure you’ll come up with something wonderful.
And by the way, I am a descendant of Ethan Allen and besides being embarrassed and proud of that both, I’d be happy to see his name removed from all kinds of things (wrong guy got the credit anyway, despite the deed).
And to make this about birds…..Pileated hammering away here in South Burlington.
Thanks for listening,
Jeffrey Allen
South Burlington & Pittsford
>
> Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2023 08:53:32 -0500
> From: Richard Littauer <richard.littauer...>
> Subject: Re: Fw: [VTBIRD] Name change for Christmas Bird Count?
>
> Hey all,
>
> I thought more about Roy Pilcher's suggestion to rename the count to the
> Frank Chapman Annual Bird Count this morning, as I was reading
> Cornell's *Living
> Bird* magazine. There's a great article on modern South American
> expeditions run entirely by women, following the footsteps of early 20th
> century female field collectors, Elizabeth Kerr and Emilie Snethlage. Frank
> Chapman's, one of the people who paid Kerr for her specimens, came up:
>
>> Chapman went on to be regarded as one of the founding figures of modern
> ornithology, credited with starting the Christmas Bird Count, while “Mrs.
> Kerr” was relegated to footnotes in Chapman’s published work, even though
> she made remarkable contributions to his research.
>
> I wouldn't call it a stretch to say that Chapman was able to start the
> Christmas Bird Count because of his power and influence in a male-centric
> world. It's still a great thing to have done - who doesn't like counting
> chickadees on Boxing Day? - and I'm not accusing Chapman of anything. But
> now that we realize that all contributors to science should get equal
> merit, I think renaming the count in his name isn't the best of all
> possible options. It was exactly this sort of complexity that led the AOU
> to recently decide that all eponymic bird names should be renamed
> <https://americanornithology.org/american-ornithological-society-will-change-the-english-names-of-bird-species-named-after-people/>,
> regardless of who the birds were named for.
>
> You can read the article I mentioned here:
> https://www.allaboutbirds.org/news/two-expeditions-highlight-the-work-of-women-ornithologists-in-colombia-and-brazil/ >
> Best,
> R
>
Date: 12/2/23 9:17 am From: Veer Frost <0000038039fb4cf6-dmarc-request...> Subject: Re: [VTBIRD] Fw: [VTBIRD] Name change for Christmas Bird Count?
The article on young women ornithologists in Colombia should be in every classroom! Thank you for the link,Veer Frost
On 12/2/2023 at 10:28 AM, "Barbara Powers" wrote:Great article. I recommend reading it. Thanks for sharing it. Barbara Powers Sent from my iPad
> On Dec 2, 2023, at 8:53 AM, Richard Littauer wrote: > > Hey all, > > I thought more about Roy Pilcher's suggestion to rename the count to the > Frank Chapman Annual Bird Count this morning, as I was reading > Cornell's *Living > Bird* magazine. There's a great article on modern South American > expeditions run entirely by women, following the footsteps of early 20th > century female field collectors, Elizabeth Kerr and Emilie Snethlage. Frank > Chapman's, one of the people who paid Kerr for her specimens, came up: > >> Chapman went on to be regarded as one of the founding figures of modern > ornithology, credited with starting the Christmas Bird Count, while “Mrs. > Kerr” was relegated to footnotes in Chapman’s published work, even though > she made remarkable contributions to his research. > > I wouldn't call it a stretch to say that Chapman was able to start the > Christmas Bird Count because of his power and influence in a male-centric > world. It's still a great thing to have done - who doesn't like counting > chickadees on Boxing Day? - and I'm not accusing Chapman of anything. But > now that we realize that all contributors to science should get equal > merit, I think renaming the count in his name isn't the best of all > possible options. It was exactly this sort of complexity that led the AOU > to recently decide that all eponymic bird names should be renamed > , > regardless of who the birds were named for. > > You can read the article I mentioned here: > https://www.allaboutbirds.org/news/two-expeditions-highlight-the-work-of-women-ornithologists-in-colombia-and-brazil/ > > Best, > R > > > > >> On Mon, Nov 27, 2023 at 3:27 PM Richard Littauer >> wrote: >> >> Interesting idea, Roy. I don't like naming things after people, but it's a >> novel suggestion. >> >> On another note, I emailed all of the circle organizers and asked which >> circles have changed their names. So far, the centre of change appears to >> be Montpelier. >> >> *Changed* >> >> - Hunger Mountain >> - Mad River Valley/Northfield >> - Plainfield/Montpelier >> - Mt. Abraham >> >> *Mostly changed* >> >> - East Franklin County >> >> *Changing Next Year* >> >> - Barnet >> - Woodstock >> >> *Unchanged (Confirmed)* >> >> - Brattleboro >> - Burlington >> - Champlain Islands/St. Albans >> - Middlebury >> - Island Pond >> - Bennington >> - Ferrisburgh >> - Rutland >> - Tri-County (Essex and nearby towns) >> - Springfield >> - Winhall/Windham >> - Randolph Area >> - Hinesburg-Huntington >> - Lamoille County >> >> *No Response* >> >> - Hanover-Norwich >> - Plattsburgh, NY (reaches the VT Champlain islands) >> - Saxton’s River >> >> Some of the circle leaders were adamant that it won't change, or just >> unresponsive, which surprised me. Some also said that they would talk about >> it with their circles during the potluck, to see what people think. I think >> this is a great move. >> >> On a personal note, my decision to only do CBCs that have changed their >> names seems to be convenient, as most of the ones I am seriously >> considering counting for have changed their names, anyway. Way to go, >> Washington County. >> >> Best, >> Richard >> >> >> >> On Mon, Nov 27, 2023 at 12:22 PM Roy Pilcher < >> <00000022ffe6db53-dmarc-request...> wrote: >> >>> >>> If you find repetition in whatfollows, please excuse the lapse. Hereis >>> my contribution to the debate. >>> >>> The name of the count, now knownas the “Christmas Bird Count,” should be >>> replaced as the “Frank ChapmanAnnual Bird Count”. >>> >>> Why “Frank Chapman”? >>> >>> · Frank Chapman was the gentleman, who on December25, 1900, >>> organized and realized an alternative to the “Side Hunt”, a seasonal >>> maliciousand competitive killing of both birds and mammals. >>> >>> · Frank Chapman was a member of Audubon. >>> >>> · Frank Chapman was not only an academic ornithologistbut a lover of >>> birds. >>> >>> · Frank Chapman was an activist and an earlyenvironmentalist. >>> >>> · Frank Chapman was a community organizer havingrecruited 26 fellow >>> “birders” in both the USA and Canada to participate in the veryfirst >>> “census”. >>> >>> · Frank Chapman had no known religious affiliationthat prompted or >>> encouraged his action. >>> >>> Why “Annual”? >>> >>> · For one hundred and twenty-three years the counthas been “annual” >>> and traditionally there is no reason for change. >>> >>> · The data collected constitutes the longestrunning community >>> science project ever, the parameters of the count arestatistically >>> controlling. >>> >>> · “Annual” as opposed to “Winter” is moreinclusive, inviting and >>> encouraging participants south of the equator. >>> >>> Why “Birds”? >>> >>> · Birds, [and their numbers], have been the onlyscientific objective >>> of the count. >>> >>> · Birds occur on every continent and in everycountry inviting >>> participants from every country. >>> >>> · Birds recognize no national boundaries and havefreedom of movement. >>> >>> · Birds are found from the largest cities to the bleakestlandscapes. >>> >>> · Birds can be observed and counted from the youngestto the oldest >>> in every community. >>> >>> · Birds are both climate and environmental indicators. Their >>> numbers and locations are critical toboth their survival and our own >>> existence. >>> >>> Why “Count”? >>> >>> · Well, that is what we do and have been doing forover one hundred >>> years! >>> >>> · The cumulation of count numbers is a community activity,and >>> community is both healthy and empowering. >>> >>> · Count numbers and their cumulation over theyears are indicators of >>> the environmental condition that should stimulatepolicy objectives and >>> changes. >>> PS For 40-plus years I was the CBC coordinator for Rutland Couty Audubon >>> Society. >>> Roy Pilcher, Rutland, VT >>> ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: Jared Katz < >>> <000003825c43bc1a-dmarc-request...>To: "<vtbird...>" < >>> <vtbird...>Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2023 at 08:46:17 PM >>> ESTSubject: Re: [VTBIRD] Name change for Christmas Bird Count? >>> Richard, >>> >>> Well said. The more inclusion, and the less risk of exclusion, the better >>> off we all will be. >>> >>> With wishes for peace, I bid you all a happy Thanksgiving Day, however >>> you might spend it. >>> >>> Jared >>> >>> >>> Sent from my irresistible flat thing. >>> >>>> On Nov 22, 2023, at 09:45, Richard Littauer >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> No, Joe. Maple syrup will still be tapped, flannel will still be worn, >>>> peepers will still come to see the leaves. Birders will still go out >>>> together and look for birds at the end of December; Christians will >>> still >>>> open Christmas presents on Christmas Day; Jews in the state will >>> continue >>>> to celebrate, or not celebrate, their day off. >>>> >>>> All that is suggested is that we make it easier for people who aren't >>>> Christian to feel included during the Christmas Bird Count. As a person >>> of >>>> Jewish descent in Vermont and as an ex-Evangelical, I like the idea of >>>> changing the name. It's very tiring to hear "Merry Christmas" and to >>> feel >>>> like a grinch, year after year, simply because I don't celebrate the >>>> holiday. Having the name change so that birding together at this time of >>>> year isn't so tied to the Christian religion would help, if only a bit. >>>> >>>> It sounds like many circles in Vermont have already changed the name of >>>> their circle. Has anyone attempted to make a list of all of the circles >>>> that have, yet? >>>> >>>> Best, >>>> R >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Wed, Nov 22, 2023 at 9:17 AM Joe Cuoco wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Question are all “traditions” going by the wayside ? >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPad >>>>> >>>>>> On Nov 20, 2023, at 1:43 PM, TheVermont BirderGuy < >>>>> <000008ba8e52eb04-dmarc-request...> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi all >>>>>> >>>>>> Suggestion: The Great Vermont Bird Count >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks, The Vermont Birder Guy (aka Gary), Sheldon >>>>>> https://thevermontbirderguy.org/ >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Richard Littauer | burntfen.com | socials: >>>> richard.social >>> >>> >> >> -- >> Richard Littauer | burntfen.com | socials: >> richard.social >>
Date: 12/2/23 7:29 am From: Barbara Powers <barkiepvt...> Subject: Re: [VTBIRD] Fw: [VTBIRD] Name change for Christmas Bird Count?
Great article. I recommend reading it. Thanks for sharing it.
Barbara Powers
Sent from my iPad
> On Dec 2, 2023, at 8:53 AM, Richard Littauer <richard.littauer...> wrote:
>
> Hey all,
>
> I thought more about Roy Pilcher's suggestion to rename the count to the
> Frank Chapman Annual Bird Count this morning, as I was reading
> Cornell's *Living
> Bird* magazine. There's a great article on modern South American
> expeditions run entirely by women, following the footsteps of early 20th
> century female field collectors, Elizabeth Kerr and Emilie Snethlage. Frank
> Chapman's, one of the people who paid Kerr for her specimens, came up:
>
>> Chapman went on to be regarded as one of the founding figures of modern
> ornithology, credited with starting the Christmas Bird Count, while “Mrs.
> Kerr” was relegated to footnotes in Chapman’s published work, even though
> she made remarkable contributions to his research.
>
> I wouldn't call it a stretch to say that Chapman was able to start the
> Christmas Bird Count because of his power and influence in a male-centric
> world. It's still a great thing to have done - who doesn't like counting
> chickadees on Boxing Day? - and I'm not accusing Chapman of anything. But
> now that we realize that all contributors to science should get equal
> merit, I think renaming the count in his name isn't the best of all
> possible options. It was exactly this sort of complexity that led the AOU
> to recently decide that all eponymic bird names should be renamed
> <https://americanornithology.org/american-ornithological-society-will-change-the-english-names-of-bird-species-named-after-people/>,
> regardless of who the birds were named for.
>
> You can read the article I mentioned here:
> https://www.allaboutbirds.org/news/two-expeditions-highlight-the-work-of-women-ornithologists-in-colombia-and-brazil/ >
> Best,
> R
>
>
>
>
>> On Mon, Nov 27, 2023 at 3:27 PM Richard Littauer <richard.littauer...>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Interesting idea, Roy. I don't like naming things after people, but it's a
>> novel suggestion.
>>
>> On another note, I emailed all of the circle organizers and asked which
>> circles have changed their names. So far, the centre of change appears to
>> be Montpelier.
>>
>> *Changed*
>>
>> - Hunger Mountain
>> - Mad River Valley/Northfield
>> - Plainfield/Montpelier
>> - Mt. Abraham
>>
>> *Mostly changed*
>>
>> - East Franklin County
>>
>> *Changing Next Year*
>>
>> - Barnet
>> - Woodstock
>>
>> *Unchanged (Confirmed)*
>>
>> - Brattleboro
>> - Burlington
>> - Champlain Islands/St. Albans
>> - Middlebury
>> - Island Pond
>> - Bennington
>> - Ferrisburgh
>> - Rutland
>> - Tri-County (Essex and nearby towns)
>> - Springfield
>> - Winhall/Windham
>> - Randolph Area
>> - Hinesburg-Huntington
>> - Lamoille County
>>
>> *No Response*
>>
>> - Hanover-Norwich
>> - Plattsburgh, NY (reaches the VT Champlain islands)
>> - Saxton’s River
>>
>> Some of the circle leaders were adamant that it won't change, or just
>> unresponsive, which surprised me. Some also said that they would talk about
>> it with their circles during the potluck, to see what people think. I think
>> this is a great move.
>>
>> On a personal note, my decision to only do CBCs that have changed their
>> names seems to be convenient, as most of the ones I am seriously
>> considering counting for have changed their names, anyway. Way to go,
>> Washington County.
>>
>> Best,
>> Richard
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 27, 2023 at 12:22 PM Roy Pilcher <
>> <00000022ffe6db53-dmarc-request...> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> If you find repetition in whatfollows, please excuse the lapse. Hereis
>>> my contribution to the debate.
>>>
>>> The name of the count, now knownas the “Christmas Bird Count,” should be
>>> replaced as the “Frank ChapmanAnnual Bird Count”.
>>>
>>> Why “Frank Chapman”?
>>>
>>> · Frank Chapman was the gentleman, who on December25, 1900,
>>> organized and realized an alternative to the “Side Hunt”, a seasonal
>>> maliciousand competitive killing of both birds and mammals.
>>>
>>> · Frank Chapman was a member of Audubon.
>>>
>>> · Frank Chapman was not only an academic ornithologistbut a lover of
>>> birds.
>>>
>>> · Frank Chapman was an activist and an earlyenvironmentalist.
>>>
>>> · Frank Chapman was a community organizer havingrecruited 26 fellow
>>> “birders” in both the USA and Canada to participate in the veryfirst
>>> “census”.
>>>
>>> · Frank Chapman had no known religious affiliationthat prompted or
>>> encouraged his action.
>>>
>>> Why “Annual”?
>>>
>>> · For one hundred and twenty-three years the counthas been “annual”
>>> and traditionally there is no reason for change.
>>>
>>> · The data collected constitutes the longestrunning community
>>> science project ever, the parameters of the count arestatistically
>>> controlling.
>>>
>>> · “Annual” as opposed to “Winter” is moreinclusive, inviting and
>>> encouraging participants south of the equator.
>>>
>>> Why “Birds”?
>>>
>>> · Birds, [and their numbers], have been the onlyscientific objective
>>> of the count.
>>>
>>> · Birds occur on every continent and in everycountry inviting
>>> participants from every country.
>>>
>>> · Birds recognize no national boundaries and havefreedom of movement.
>>>
>>> · Birds are found from the largest cities to the bleakestlandscapes.
>>>
>>> · Birds can be observed and counted from the youngestto the oldest
>>> in every community.
>>>
>>> · Birds are both climate and environmental indicators. Their
>>> numbers and locations are critical toboth their survival and our own
>>> existence.
>>>
>>> Why “Count”?
>>>
>>> · Well, that is what we do and have been doing forover one hundred
>>> years!
>>>
>>> · The cumulation of count numbers is a community activity,and
>>> community is both healthy and empowering.
>>>
>>> · Count numbers and their cumulation over theyears are indicators of
>>> the environmental condition that should stimulatepolicy objectives and
>>> changes.
>>> PS For 40-plus years I was the CBC coordinator for Rutland Couty Audubon
>>> Society.
>>> Roy Pilcher, Rutland, VT
>>> ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: Jared Katz <
>>> <000003825c43bc1a-dmarc-request...>To: "<vtbird...>" <
>>> <vtbird...>Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2023 at 08:46:17 PM
>>> ESTSubject: Re: [VTBIRD] Name change for Christmas Bird Count?
>>> Richard,
>>>
>>> Well said. The more inclusion, and the less risk of exclusion, the better
>>> off we all will be.
>>>
>>> With wishes for peace, I bid you all a happy Thanksgiving Day, however
>>> you might spend it.
>>>
>>> Jared
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my irresistible flat thing.
>>>
>>>> On Nov 22, 2023, at 09:45, Richard Littauer <richard.littauer...>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> No, Joe. Maple syrup will still be tapped, flannel will still be worn,
>>>> peepers will still come to see the leaves. Birders will still go out
>>>> together and look for birds at the end of December; Christians will
>>> still
>>>> open Christmas presents on Christmas Day; Jews in the state will
>>> continue
>>>> to celebrate, or not celebrate, their day off.
>>>>
>>>> All that is suggested is that we make it easier for people who aren't
>>>> Christian to feel included during the Christmas Bird Count. As a person
>>> of
>>>> Jewish descent in Vermont and as an ex-Evangelical, I like the idea of
>>>> changing the name. It's very tiring to hear "Merry Christmas" and to
>>> feel
>>>> like a grinch, year after year, simply because I don't celebrate the
>>>> holiday. Having the name change so that birding together at this time of
>>>> year isn't so tied to the Christian religion would help, if only a bit.
>>>>
>>>> It sounds like many circles in Vermont have already changed the name of
>>>> their circle. Has anyone attempted to make a list of all of the circles
>>>> that have, yet?
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>> R
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Nov 22, 2023 at 9:17 AM Joe Cuoco <jcuoco...> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Question are all “traditions” going by the wayside ?
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Nov 20, 2023, at 1:43 PM, TheVermont BirderGuy <
>>>>> <000008ba8e52eb04-dmarc-request...> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi all
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Suggestion: The Great Vermont Bird Count
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks, The Vermont Birder Guy (aka Gary), Sheldon
>>>>>> https://thevermontbirderguy.org/ >>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Richard Littauer | burntfen.com <http://www.burntfen.com/> | socials:
>>>> richard.social
>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>> Richard Littauer | burntfen.com <http://www.burntfen.com/> | socials:
>> richard.social
>>
Date: 12/2/23 6:31 am From: Brenna <dbgaldenzi...> Subject: [VTBIRD] Lead
Hi all,
The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service issued a final rule indicating that the
“best available science” reveals that “lead ammunition and tackle have
negative impacts on both wildlife and human health.” But the agency is
phasing out lead ammunition over three years on just eight national
wildlife refuges, while allowing sport hunters to leave behind tons of lead
on hundreds of other refuges that will kill animals from 130+ species. The
eight refuges are Blackwater, Chincoteague, Eastern Neck, Erie, Great
Thicket, Patuxent Research, Rachel Carson, and Wallops Island national
wildlife refuges. All refuges, except Chincoteague, will also phase out
lead fishing tackle.
More than 500 peer-reviewed studies showed detrimental effects on wildlife,
including a continent-wide effect on bald and golden eagles. A study,
released in January 2022 in Science, determined that up to 47 percent of
eagles had “bone lead concentrations above thresholds for chronic
poisoning” and a third of eagles had “acute [lead] poisoning.” Fragments of
lead ammunition in the remains (so-called “gut piles”) of hunted animals
are having population-level effects on eagles, according to our statement.
I'm hoping that some folks on here might take a minute and ask your
legislator to cosponsor the LEAD Act to stop the use of lead ammunition in
wildlife refuges. It takes just two minutes. Click on the secure link
below.
Date: 12/2/23 5:54 am From: Richard Littauer <richard.littauer...> Subject: Re: [VTBIRD] Fw: [VTBIRD] Name change for Christmas Bird Count?
Hey all,
I thought more about Roy Pilcher's suggestion to rename the count to the
Frank Chapman Annual Bird Count this morning, as I was reading
Cornell's *Living
Bird* magazine. There's a great article on modern South American
expeditions run entirely by women, following the footsteps of early 20th
century female field collectors, Elizabeth Kerr and Emilie Snethlage. Frank
Chapman's, one of the people who paid Kerr for her specimens, came up:
> Chapman went on to be regarded as one of the founding figures of modern
ornithology, credited with starting the Christmas Bird Count, while “Mrs.
Kerr” was relegated to footnotes in Chapman’s published work, even though
she made remarkable contributions to his research.
I wouldn't call it a stretch to say that Chapman was able to start the
Christmas Bird Count because of his power and influence in a male-centric
world. It's still a great thing to have done - who doesn't like counting
chickadees on Boxing Day? - and I'm not accusing Chapman of anything. But
now that we realize that all contributors to science should get equal
merit, I think renaming the count in his name isn't the best of all
possible options. It was exactly this sort of complexity that led the AOU
to recently decide that all eponymic bird names should be renamed
<https://americanornithology.org/american-ornithological-society-will-change-the-english-names-of-bird-species-named-after-people/>,
regardless of who the birds were named for.
On Mon, Nov 27, 2023 at 3:27 PM Richard Littauer <richard.littauer...>
wrote:
> Interesting idea, Roy. I don't like naming things after people, but it's a
> novel suggestion.
>
> On another note, I emailed all of the circle organizers and asked which
> circles have changed their names. So far, the centre of change appears to
> be Montpelier.
>
> *Changed*
>
> - Hunger Mountain
> - Mad River Valley/Northfield
> - Plainfield/Montpelier
> - Mt. Abraham
>
> *Mostly changed*
>
> - East Franklin County
>
> *Changing Next Year*
>
> - Barnet
> - Woodstock
>
> *Unchanged (Confirmed)*
>
> - Brattleboro
> - Burlington
> - Champlain Islands/St. Albans
> - Middlebury
> - Island Pond
> - Bennington
> - Ferrisburgh
> - Rutland
> - Tri-County (Essex and nearby towns)
> - Springfield
> - Winhall/Windham
> - Randolph Area
> - Hinesburg-Huntington
> - Lamoille County
>
> *No Response*
>
> - Hanover-Norwich
> - Plattsburgh, NY (reaches the VT Champlain islands)
> - Saxton’s River
>
> Some of the circle leaders were adamant that it won't change, or just
> unresponsive, which surprised me. Some also said that they would talk about
> it with their circles during the potluck, to see what people think. I think
> this is a great move.
>
> On a personal note, my decision to only do CBCs that have changed their
> names seems to be convenient, as most of the ones I am seriously
> considering counting for have changed their names, anyway. Way to go,
> Washington County.
>
> Best,
> Richard
>
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 27, 2023 at 12:22 PM Roy Pilcher <
> <00000022ffe6db53-dmarc-request...> wrote:
>
>>
>> If you find repetition in whatfollows, please excuse the lapse. Hereis
>> my contribution to the debate.
>>
>> The name of the count, now knownas the “Christmas Bird Count,” should be
>> replaced as the “Frank ChapmanAnnual Bird Count”.
>>
>> Why “Frank Chapman”?
>>
>> · Frank Chapman was the gentleman, who on December25, 1900,
>> organized and realized an alternative to the “Side Hunt”, a seasonal
>> maliciousand competitive killing of both birds and mammals.
>>
>> · Frank Chapman was a member of Audubon.
>>
>> · Frank Chapman was not only an academic ornithologistbut a lover of
>> birds.
>>
>> · Frank Chapman was an activist and an earlyenvironmentalist.
>>
>> · Frank Chapman was a community organizer havingrecruited 26 fellow
>> “birders” in both the USA and Canada to participate in the veryfirst
>> “census”.
>>
>> · Frank Chapman had no known religious affiliationthat prompted or
>> encouraged his action.
>>
>> Why “Annual”?
>>
>> · For one hundred and twenty-three years the counthas been “annual”
>> and traditionally there is no reason for change.
>>
>> · The data collected constitutes the longestrunning community
>> science project ever, the parameters of the count arestatistically
>> controlling.
>>
>> · “Annual” as opposed to “Winter” is moreinclusive, inviting and
>> encouraging participants south of the equator.
>>
>> Why “Birds”?
>>
>> · Birds, [and their numbers], have been the onlyscientific objective
>> of the count.
>>
>> · Birds occur on every continent and in everycountry inviting
>> participants from every country.
>>
>> · Birds recognize no national boundaries and havefreedom of movement.
>>
>> · Birds are found from the largest cities to the bleakestlandscapes.
>>
>> · Birds can be observed and counted from the youngestto the oldest
>> in every community.
>>
>> · Birds are both climate and environmental indicators. Their
>> numbers and locations are critical toboth their survival and our own
>> existence.
>>
>> Why “Count”?
>>
>> · Well, that is what we do and have been doing forover one hundred
>> years!
>>
>> · The cumulation of count numbers is a community activity,and
>> community is both healthy and empowering.
>>
>> · Count numbers and their cumulation over theyears are indicators of
>> the environmental condition that should stimulatepolicy objectives and
>> changes.
>> PS For 40-plus years I was the CBC coordinator for Rutland Couty Audubon
>> Society.
>> Roy Pilcher, Rutland, VT
>> ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: Jared Katz <
>> <000003825c43bc1a-dmarc-request...>To: "<vtbird...>" <
>> <vtbird...>Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2023 at 08:46:17 PM
>> ESTSubject: Re: [VTBIRD] Name change for Christmas Bird Count?
>> Richard,
>>
>> Well said. The more inclusion, and the less risk of exclusion, the better
>> off we all will be.
>>
>> With wishes for peace, I bid you all a happy Thanksgiving Day, however
>> you might spend it.
>>
>> Jared
>>
>>
>> Sent from my irresistible flat thing.
>>
>> > On Nov 22, 2023, at 09:45, Richard Littauer <richard.littauer...>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > No, Joe. Maple syrup will still be tapped, flannel will still be worn,
>> > peepers will still come to see the leaves. Birders will still go out
>> > together and look for birds at the end of December; Christians will
>> still
>> > open Christmas presents on Christmas Day; Jews in the state will
>> continue
>> > to celebrate, or not celebrate, their day off.
>> >
>> > All that is suggested is that we make it easier for people who aren't
>> > Christian to feel included during the Christmas Bird Count. As a person
>> of
>> > Jewish descent in Vermont and as an ex-Evangelical, I like the idea of
>> > changing the name. It's very tiring to hear "Merry Christmas" and to
>> feel
>> > like a grinch, year after year, simply because I don't celebrate the
>> > holiday. Having the name change so that birding together at this time of
>> > year isn't so tied to the Christian religion would help, if only a bit.
>> >
>> > It sounds like many circles in Vermont have already changed the name of
>> > their circle. Has anyone attempted to make a list of all of the circles
>> > that have, yet?
>> >
>> > Best,
>> > R
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >> On Wed, Nov 22, 2023 at 9:17 AM Joe Cuoco <jcuoco...> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Question are all “traditions” going by the wayside ?
>> >>
>> >> Sent from my iPad
>> >>
>> >>> On Nov 20, 2023, at 1:43 PM, TheVermont BirderGuy <
>> >> <000008ba8e52eb04-dmarc-request...> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Hi all
>> >>>
>> >>> Suggestion: The Great Vermont Bird Count
>> >>>
>> >>> Thanks, The Vermont Birder Guy (aka Gary), Sheldon
>> >>> https://thevermontbirderguy.org/ >> >>
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Richard Littauer | burntfen.com <http://www.burntfen.com> | socials:
>> > richard.social
>>
>>
>
> --
> Richard Littauer | burntfen.com <http://www.burntfen.com> | socials:
> richard.social
>
Date: 12/1/23 5:48 pm From: <bmacphe...> <00000017afe5cb7a-dmarc-request...> Subject: Re: [VTBIRD] response from governor re Franklin County Airport
This is the specific comment in the VT Digger article that I was referring to:
Safety of the people using the airport should be the first priority, he (Cliff Coy) said, overriding everything from stormwater plans to endangered species habitat.
“The (Federal Aviation Administration) is very clear,” he said. “Animals and airplanes do not mix at all. Because, if you hit a bird at 130 miles an hour, it kills you, and everybody on board.”Bruce MacPhersonSouth Burlington
On Friday, December 1, 2023 at 08:03:32 PM EST, Ken Copenhaver <copenhvr...> wrote:
I could be wrong, but I think the safety concern is related to the cleared
(and mowed) area required around runways, not a concern with sparrow/plane
collisions. The original runway has always had frequently mowed areas
adjacent to the runway, surrounded by delayed-mowing areas where the
sparrows nest. Mowing of these areas is delayed until August by state
airport mowing protocol. I hope the extended runway will continue to have
these delayed-mowing areas. The mitigation is related to replacing the land
taken by extending the runway.
I used to do point count surveys at the airport and spoke to George Coy
many times. He never had a problem with sparrows and in fact, fully agreed
with the delayed-mowing protocol when implemented by the state because it
reduced the number of gulls that used to come into the airport after
mowing. Gulls and planes don't mix! Sparrows? Not a problem.
--Ken Copenhaver
On Thu, Nov 30, 2023 at 8:32 PM alison wagner <alikatofvt...> wrote:
> I, too, would like to know the name of this consultant
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Like Richard, I too would like to know the name of this consultant
> retained "...specifically for this project who specializes in bird habitat
> and airport management to provide the level of detail required for the
> Threatened & Endangered Species permit."
>
> I agree with Bruce's point about grassland birds not posing a threat to
> aircraft. In the monitoring i have done at Camp Johnson (restricted area),
> when loud, low flying helicopters come in to land, I have observed
> Grasshopper Sparrows that are disturbed will fly low, about ten feet off
> the ground and for short distances, then drop back down into the grass.
> They are "poor flyers" that hunker down and move through the grass.
> Nothing like a flock of Starlings or geese!
>
> And....Governor Scott seems to think the endangered species of birds
> impacted by the Franklin County Airport construction are
> "migrating"...there is a difference between migrating and breeding grounds!
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "<bmacphe...>" <00000017afe5cb7a-dmarc-request...>
> To: "Vermont Birds" <VTBIRD...>
> Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2023 6:24:31 PM
> Subject: Re: [VTBIRD] response from governor re Franklin County Airport
>
> Disappointing, but not surprising. It's worth pointing out, though, that
> Rome wasn't built in a day and neither was the airport. Persistent pressure
> on the administration might produce a result that all parties. can live
> with (including the birds).
> One item in the response that troubles me is the issue of safety. In the
> VT Digger article that Emma Cotton wrote, Cliff Coy, the manager of the
> airport, raised this issue, too. Birds and aircraft don't mix well, true,
> but in my opinion this is a smoke screen to justify exterminating the
> resident birds. I don't believe that Grasshopper Sparrows or any other
> birds pose any threat whatsoever to aircraft at the Franklin Co. Airport.
> Following up with the consultants, whoever they are, would be helpful.
> Bruce MacPherson
> South Burlington
> On Thursday, November 30, 2023 at 02:21:04 PM EST, Maeve Kim <
> <maevekim7...> wrote:
>
> It took a few months, but I finally heard back from the governor’s
> office. Here’s his note.
> Maeve Kim, Jericho Center
>
> Office of Governor Phil Scott
> 109 State Street
> Montpelier, VT 05609
> governor.vermont.gov <http://governor.vermont.gov/> > Dear Julia Maeve:
>
>
> Thank you for reaching out regarding your concerns with the Agency of
> Transportation’s (VTrans) project to widen and expand runways at Franklin
> County State Airport. We appreciate you taking the time to share your
> thoughts.
>
> VTrans oversees operations and maintenance of 10 state-owned airports
> throughout Vermont, which provides a valuable benefit to our economy by
> supporting businesses, tourism, recreation, and education. Investments in
> maintenance and capital improvements of airports are set annually, and must
> consider the requirements of the FAA and the safe operations of airports,
> as well as the environmental impacts of ongoing maintenance and
> improvements.
>
> With the Franklin County State Airport project, VTrans has been working
> through the same state and federal permitting processes other statewide
> developers are required to do; this has been an ongoing effort for more
> than three years. One of the required permits is the Threatened &
> Endangered Species permit (10 VSA § 5408) <
> https://legislature.vermont.gov/statutes/section/10/123/05408> under the
> Department of Fish & Wildlife (DFW). VTrans has retained a consultant
> specifically for this project who specializes in bird habitat and airport
> management to provide the level of detail required for the Threatened &
> Endangered Species permit.
>
> VTrans and DFW have been engaged in ongoing and productive discussions
> regarding the plans to find and maintain a thoughtful, safe approach to
> these issues. The consultant has also been very active in developing the
> required implementation and management plans.
>
> The Agencies believe there’s balance to the plan which will continue to
> provide a habitat for the migrating birds as well as continued safe
> operations and development of Franklin County Airport.
>
> Thank you again for reaching out.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Governor’s Constituent Services Office
>
> Philip B. Scott
> Governor of Vermont
>
Date: 12/1/23 5:04 pm From: Ken Copenhaver <copenhvr...> Subject: Re: [VTBIRD] response from governor re Franklin County Airport
I could be wrong, but I think the safety concern is related to the cleared
(and mowed) area required around runways, not a concern with sparrow/plane
collisions. The original runway has always had frequently mowed areas
adjacent to the runway, surrounded by delayed-mowing areas where the
sparrows nest. Mowing of these areas is delayed until August by state
airport mowing protocol. I hope the extended runway will continue to have
these delayed-mowing areas. The mitigation is related to replacing the land
taken by extending the runway.
I used to do point count surveys at the airport and spoke to George Coy
many times. He never had a problem with sparrows and in fact, fully agreed
with the delayed-mowing protocol when implemented by the state because it
reduced the number of gulls that used to come into the airport after
mowing. Gulls and planes don't mix! Sparrows? Not a problem.
--Ken Copenhaver
On Thu, Nov 30, 2023 at 8:32 PM alison wagner <alikatofvt...> wrote:
> I, too, would like to know the name of this consultant
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Like Richard, I too would like to know the name of this consultant
> retained "...specifically for this project who specializes in bird habitat
> and airport management to provide the level of detail required for the
> Threatened & Endangered Species permit."
>
> I agree with Bruce's point about grassland birds not posing a threat to
> aircraft. In the monitoring i have done at Camp Johnson (restricted area),
> when loud, low flying helicopters come in to land, I have observed
> Grasshopper Sparrows that are disturbed will fly low, about ten feet off
> the ground and for short distances, then drop back down into the grass.
> They are "poor flyers" that hunker down and move through the grass.
> Nothing like a flock of Starlings or geese!
>
> And....Governor Scott seems to think the endangered species of birds
> impacted by the Franklin County Airport construction are
> "migrating"...there is a difference between migrating and breeding grounds!
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "<bmacphe...>" <00000017afe5cb7a-dmarc-request...>
> To: "Vermont Birds" <VTBIRD...>
> Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2023 6:24:31 PM
> Subject: Re: [VTBIRD] response from governor re Franklin County Airport
>
> Disappointing, but not surprising. It's worth pointing out, though, that
> Rome wasn't built in a day and neither was the airport. Persistent pressure
> on the administration might produce a result that all parties. can live
> with (including the birds).
> One item in the response that troubles me is the issue of safety. In the
> VT Digger article that Emma Cotton wrote, Cliff Coy, the manager of the
> airport, raised this issue, too. Birds and aircraft don't mix well, true,
> but in my opinion this is a smoke screen to justify exterminating the
> resident birds. I don't believe that Grasshopper Sparrows or any other
> birds pose any threat whatsoever to aircraft at the Franklin Co. Airport.
> Following up with the consultants, whoever they are, would be helpful.
> Bruce MacPherson
> South Burlington
> On Thursday, November 30, 2023 at 02:21:04 PM EST, Maeve Kim <
> <maevekim7...> wrote:
>
> It took a few months, but I finally heard back from the governor’s
> office. Here’s his note.
> Maeve Kim, Jericho Center
>
> Office of Governor Phil Scott
> 109 State Street
> Montpelier, VT 05609
> governor.vermont.gov <http://governor.vermont.gov/> > Dear Julia Maeve:
>
>
> Thank you for reaching out regarding your concerns with the Agency of
> Transportation’s (VTrans) project to widen and expand runways at Franklin
> County State Airport. We appreciate you taking the time to share your
> thoughts.
>
> VTrans oversees operations and maintenance of 10 state-owned airports
> throughout Vermont, which provides a valuable benefit to our economy by
> supporting businesses, tourism, recreation, and education. Investments in
> maintenance and capital improvements of airports are set annually, and must
> consider the requirements of the FAA and the safe operations of airports,
> as well as the environmental impacts of ongoing maintenance and
> improvements.
>
> With the Franklin County State Airport project, VTrans has been working
> through the same state and federal permitting processes other statewide
> developers are required to do; this has been an ongoing effort for more
> than three years. One of the required permits is the Threatened &
> Endangered Species permit (10 VSA § 5408) <
> https://legislature.vermont.gov/statutes/section/10/123/05408> under the
> Department of Fish & Wildlife (DFW). VTrans has retained a consultant
> specifically for this project who specializes in bird habitat and airport
> management to provide the level of detail required for the Threatened &
> Endangered Species permit.
>
> VTrans and DFW have been engaged in ongoing and productive discussions
> regarding the plans to find and maintain a thoughtful, safe approach to
> these issues. The consultant has also been very active in developing the
> required implementation and management plans.
>
> The Agencies believe there’s balance to the plan which will continue to
> provide a habitat for the migrating birds as well as continued safe
> operations and development of Franklin County Airport.
>
> Thank you again for reaching out.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Governor’s Constituent Services Office
>
> Philip B. Scott
> Governor of Vermont
>
Date: 11/30/23 5:32 pm From: alison wagner <alikatofvt...> Subject: Re: [VTBIRD] response from governor re Franklin County Airport
I, too, would like to know the name of this consultant
Like Richard, I too would like to know the name of this consultant retained "...specifically for this project who specializes in bird habitat and airport management to provide the level of detail required for the Threatened & Endangered Species permit."
I agree with Bruce's point about grassland birds not posing a threat to aircraft. In the monitoring i have done at Camp Johnson (restricted area), when loud, low flying helicopters come in to land, I have observed Grasshopper Sparrows that are disturbed will fly low, about ten feet off the ground and for short distances, then drop back down into the grass. They are "poor flyers" that hunker down and move through the grass. Nothing like a flock of Starlings or geese!
And....Governor Scott seems to think the endangered species of birds impacted by the Franklin County Airport construction are "migrating"...there is a difference between migrating and breeding grounds!
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To: "Vermont Birds" <VTBIRD...>
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2023 6:24:31 PM
Subject: Re: [VTBIRD] response from governor re Franklin County Airport
Disappointing, but not surprising. It's worth pointing out, though, that Rome wasn't built in a day and neither was the airport. Persistent pressure on the administration might produce a result that all parties. can live with (including the birds).
One item in the response that troubles me is the issue of safety. In the VT Digger article that Emma Cotton wrote, Cliff Coy, the manager of the airport, raised this issue, too. Birds and aircraft don't mix well, true, but in my opinion this is a smoke screen to justify exterminating the resident birds. I don't believe that Grasshopper Sparrows or any other birds pose any threat whatsoever to aircraft at the Franklin Co. Airport.
Following up with the consultants, whoever they are, would be helpful.
Bruce MacPherson
South Burlington
On Thursday, November 30, 2023 at 02:21:04 PM EST, Maeve Kim <maevekim7...> wrote:
It took a few months, but I finally heard back from the governor’s office. Here’s his note.
Maeve Kim, Jericho Center
Office of Governor Phil Scott
109 State Street
Montpelier, VT 05609
governor.vermont.gov <http://governor.vermont.gov/> Dear Julia Maeve:
Thank you for reaching out regarding your concerns with the Agency of Transportation’s (VTrans) project to widen and expand runways at Franklin County State Airport. We appreciate you taking the time to share your thoughts.
VTrans oversees operations and maintenance of 10 state-owned airports throughout Vermont, which provides a valuable benefit to our economy by supporting businesses, tourism, recreation, and education. Investments in maintenance and capital improvements of airports are set annually, and must consider the requirements of the FAA and the safe operations of airports, as well as the environmental impacts of ongoing maintenance and improvements.
With the Franklin County State Airport project, VTrans has been working through the same state and federal permitting processes other statewide developers are required to do; this has been an ongoing effort for more than three years. One of the required permits is the Threatened & Endangered Species permit (10 VSA § 5408) <https://legislature.vermont.gov/statutes/section/10/123/05408> under the Department of Fish & Wildlife (DFW). VTrans has retained a consultant specifically for this project who specializes in bird habitat and airport management to provide the level of detail required for the Threatened & Endangered Species permit.
VTrans and DFW have been engaged in ongoing and productive discussions regarding the plans to find and maintain a thoughtful, safe approach to these issues. The consultant has also been very active in developing the required implementation and management plans.
The Agencies believe there’s balance to the plan which will continue to provide a habitat for the migrating birds as well as continued safe operations and development of Franklin County Airport.
Date: 11/30/23 3:25 pm From: <bmacphe...> <00000017afe5cb7a-dmarc-request...> Subject: Re: [VTBIRD] response from governor re Franklin County Airport
Disappointing, but not surprising. It's worth pointing out, though, that Rome wasn't built in a day and neither was the airport. Persistent pressure on the administration might produce a result that all parties. can live with (including the birds).
One item in the response that troubles me is the issue of safety. In the VT Digger article that Emma Cotton wrote, Cliff Coy, the manager of the airport, raised this issue, too. Birds and aircraft don't mix well, true, but in my opinion this is a smoke screen to justify exterminating the resident birds. I don't believe that Grasshopper Sparrows or any other birds pose any threat whatsoever to aircraft at the Franklin Co. Airport.
Following up with the consultants, whoever they are, would be helpful.
Bruce MacPherson
South Burlington
On Thursday, November 30, 2023 at 02:21:04 PM EST, Maeve Kim <maevekim7...> wrote:
It took a few months, but I finally heard back from the governor’s office. Here’s his note.
Maeve Kim, Jericho Center
Office of Governor Phil Scott
109 State Street
Montpelier, VT 05609
governor.vermont.gov <http://governor.vermont.gov/> Dear Julia Maeve:
Thank you for reaching out regarding your concerns with the Agency of Transportation’s (VTrans) project to widen and expand runways at Franklin County State Airport. We appreciate you taking the time to share your thoughts.
VTrans oversees operations and maintenance of 10 state-owned airports throughout Vermont, which provides a valuable benefit to our economy by supporting businesses, tourism, recreation, and education. Investments in maintenance and capital improvements of airports are set annually, and must consider the requirements of the FAA and the safe operations of airports, as well as the environmental impacts of ongoing maintenance and improvements.
With the Franklin County State Airport project, VTrans has been working through the same state and federal permitting processes other statewide developers are required to do; this has been an ongoing effort for more than three years. One of the required permits is the Threatened & Endangered Species permit (10 VSA § 5408) <https://legislature.vermont.gov/statutes/section/10/123/05408> under the Department of Fish & Wildlife (DFW). VTrans has retained a consultant specifically for this project who specializes in bird habitat and airport management to provide the level of detail required for the Threatened & Endangered Species permit.
VTrans and DFW have been engaged in ongoing and productive discussions regarding the plans to find and maintain a thoughtful, safe approach to these issues. The consultant has also been very active in developing the required implementation and management plans.
The Agencies believe there’s balance to the plan which will continue to provide a habitat for the migrating birds as well as continued safe operations and development of Franklin County Airport.
Date: 11/30/23 2:46 pm From: Maeve Kim <maevekim7...> Subject: Re: [VTBIRD] response from governor re Franklin County Airport
I don’t believe they’re buying their way out of the climate emergency. I believe they don’t believe there IS a climate emergency; at least not a real and immediate emergency. Also I believe (cynically) that they will act in the interests of those who pay them. All we have to do is to look at the frantic “we need more houses” refrain from all over New England, without the logical, sensible, responsible and principled additions of “more energy-efficient, small, affordable”. We will continue to see 3000-5000 square foot buildings with three-car garages on ten acres of barren, sterile lawn. Why? Because developers of those kinds of developments have money and spend money.
On a more positive note, Underhill is planning a cluster of smaller and energy-efficient homes built by Habitat for Humanity (i.e., not by a money-making entity).
Maeve Kim, Jericho Center
> On Nov 30, 2023, at 5:30 PM, Ryan Tomazin <wvwarblers...> wrote:
>
> There are a lot of people in power that think they can buy their way out of the climate emergency. The flagrant ignoring of the prescribed laws across the country is incredibly troubling. I've always thought that the Vermont legislature was better than these sorts of things, but I guess the problems exist all over. Sad...
>>
Date: 11/30/23 2:32 pm From: Ryan Tomazin <wvwarblers...> Subject: Re: [VTBIRD] response from governor re Franklin County Airport
There are a lot of people in power that think they can buy their way out of the climate emergency. The flagrant ignoring of the prescribed laws across the country is incredibly troubling. I've always thought that the Vermont legislature was better than these sorts of things, but I guess the problems exist all over. Sad...
________________________________
From: Vermont Birds <VTBIRD...> on behalf of Meredith Barges <meredith.barges...>
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2023 4:53 PM
To: <VTBIRD...> <VTBIRD...>
Subject: Re: [VTBIRD] response from governor re Franklin County Airport
On Thu, Nov 30, 2023 at 2:41 PM Maeve Kim <maevekim7...> wrote:
> I believe that the governor’s note has a clear message: Development (i.e.,
> money) will always win out.
> Maeve Kim, Jericho Center
>
> > On Nov 30, 2023, at 2:38 PM, TheVermont BirderGuy <
> <000008ba8e52eb04-dmarc-request...> wrote:
> >
> > Hi all
> >
> > ... and how are we (environmentalists and conservationists) taking this
> response? Sounds like they are saying "we are crossing our T's and dotting
> our Is, so we're good" :-)
> >
> > Thanks, The Vermont Birder Guy (aka Gary), Sheldon
> > https://thevermontbirderguy.org/ >
On Thu, Nov 30, 2023 at 2:41 PM Maeve Kim <maevekim7...> wrote:
> I believe that the governor’s note has a clear message: Development (i.e.,
> money) will always win out.
> Maeve Kim, Jericho Center
>
> > On Nov 30, 2023, at 2:38 PM, TheVermont BirderGuy <
> <000008ba8e52eb04-dmarc-request...> wrote:
> >
> > Hi all
> >
> > ... and how are we (environmentalists and conservationists) taking this
> response? Sounds like they are saying "we are crossing our T's and dotting
> our Is, so we're good" :-)
> >
> > Thanks, The Vermont Birder Guy (aka Gary), Sheldon
> > https://thevermontbirderguy.org/ >
Date: 11/30/23 1:40 pm From: Richard Littauer <richard.littauer...> Subject: Re: [VTBIRD] response from governor re Franklin County Airport
The message is pretty clear to me: as Maeve said, a growing economy is the
only thing that the administration ultimately values.
Hiring a consultant is a non-answer to damage already done this year by
widening the runway without a permit. Anyone know who the consultant is, in
any event?
Best,
R
On Thu, Nov 30, 2023 at 2:52 PM TheVermont BirderGuy <
<000008ba8e52eb04-dmarc-request...> wrote:
> Hi again
>
> In Colorado citizens passed a State Ballot issue that redefined how the
> Colorado Oil and Gas Commission operates (oversees oil and gas development
> activities). This article I just found points out the pros and cons of the
> initiative and implementation-one year later. The bill was an early victory
> for citizens and environmentalists.
>
>
> https://www.gibsondunn.com/colorados-sweeping-oil-and-gas-law-one-year-later/ >
> Thanks, The Vermont Birder Guy (aka Gary), Sheldon
> https://thevermontbirderguy.org/ >
Date: 11/30/23 11:52 am From: TheVermont BirderGuy <000008ba8e52eb04-dmarc-request...> Subject: Re: [VTBIRD] response from governor re Franklin County Airport
Hi again
In Colorado citizens passed a State Ballot issue that redefined how the Colorado Oil and Gas Commission operates (oversees oil and gas development activities). This article I just found points out the pros and cons of the initiative and implementation-one year later. The bill was an early victory for citizens and environmentalists.
Date: 11/30/23 11:42 am From: Maeve Kim <maevekim7...> Subject: Re: [VTBIRD] response from governor re Franklin County Airport
I believe that the governor’s note has a clear message: Development (i.e., money) will always win out.
Maeve Kim, Jericho Center
> On Nov 30, 2023, at 2:38 PM, TheVermont BirderGuy <000008ba8e52eb04-dmarc-request...> wrote:
>
> Hi all
>
> ... and how are we (environmentalists and conservationists) taking this response? Sounds like they are saying "we are crossing our T's and dotting our Is, so we're good" :-)
>
> Thanks, The Vermont Birder Guy (aka Gary), Sheldon
> https://thevermontbirderguy.org/
Date: 11/30/23 11:39 am From: TheVermont BirderGuy <000008ba8e52eb04-dmarc-request...> Subject: Re: [VTBIRD] response from governor re Franklin County Airport
Hi all
... and how are we (environmentalists and conservationists) taking this response? Sounds like they are saying "we are crossing our T's and dotting our Is, so we're good" :-)
Date: 11/30/23 11:22 am From: Maeve Kim <maevekim7...> Subject: [VTBIRD] response from governor re Franklin County Airport
It took a few months, but I finally heard back from the governor’s office. Here’s his note.
Maeve Kim, Jericho Center
Office of Governor Phil Scott
109 State Street
Montpelier, VT 05609
governor.vermont.gov <http://governor.vermont.gov/> Dear Julia Maeve:
Thank you for reaching out regarding your concerns with the Agency of Transportation’s (VTrans) project to widen and expand runways at Franklin County State Airport. We appreciate you taking the time to share your thoughts.
VTrans oversees operations and maintenance of 10 state-owned airports throughout Vermont, which provides a valuable benefit to our economy by supporting businesses, tourism, recreation, and education. Investments in maintenance and capital improvements of airports are set annually, and must consider the requirements of the FAA and the safe operations of airports, as well as the environmental impacts of ongoing maintenance and improvements.
With the Franklin County State Airport project, VTrans has been working through the same state and federal permitting processes other statewide developers are required to do; this has been an ongoing effort for more than three years. One of the required permits is the Threatened & Endangered Species permit (10 VSA § 5408) <https://legislature.vermont.gov/statutes/section/10/123/05408> under the Department of Fish & Wildlife (DFW). VTrans has retained a consultant specifically for this project who specializes in bird habitat and airport management to provide the level of detail required for the Threatened & Endangered Species permit.
VTrans and DFW have been engaged in ongoing and productive discussions regarding the plans to find and maintain a thoughtful, safe approach to these issues. The consultant has also been very active in developing the required implementation and management plans.
The Agencies believe there’s balance to the plan which will continue to provide a habitat for the migrating birds as well as continued safe operations and development of Franklin County Airport.
Date: 11/28/23 6:45 am From: Kent McFarland <kmcfarland...> Subject: [VTBIRD] Vermont Winter Bird Count locations and schedule
I have all the counts listed and most of the dates for this year. Visit Vermont eBird and check out the blog post that I just updated to find a count near you! You can also read about how to add your checklists during the day to Vermont eBird and more. https://ebird.org/vt/news/the-124th-winter-bird-count
Happy birding, Kent ____________________________
Kent McFarland (he/him) Vermont Center for Ecostudies PO Box 420 | Norwich, Vermont 05055
Date: 11/28/23 6:06 am From: Terry Marron <tgmarron...> Subject: Re: [VTBIRD] Collecting Vermont CBC dates
Correction! The Island CBC is on Sunday Dec 17th not the 19th
Looking forward to a fun count this year! Enjoy
> On 11/28/2023 8:59 AM EST Kit Emery <kaemery...> wrote:
>
>
> Oh great thank you!
> Kit
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Nov 28, 2023, at 7:48 AM, Terry Marron <tgmarron...> wrote:
> >
> > Champlain Island CBC is Sunday December 19
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Nov 9, 2023, at 10:10 AM, Paul Wieczoreck <MGCPW...> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hinesburg CBC is Saturday , Dec 30th
> >>
> >>>> On Nov 8, 2023, at 9:43 AM, Durand <DURAND...> wrote:
> >>> VTMAbraham CBC ~ January 1 , 2024 - RD
> >>> Sent from my iPad
> >>>>> On Nov 8, 2023, at 9:36 AM, R Stewart <2cnewbirds...> wrote:
> >>>> Winhall will be Sat., Dec 16. More observers welcome.
> >>>>> On Wed, Nov 8, 2023 at 9:21 AM Kent McFarland <kmcfarland...>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>> Please send me to my email any CBC dates for Vermont so I can add them to
> >>>>> the list on our annual eBird Vermont post here:
> >>>>> https://ebird.org/vt/news/the-124th-christmas-bird-count-find-your-count > >>>>> Thank you,
> >>>>> Kent
> >>>>> ____________________________
> >>>>> Kent McFarland (he/him)
> >>>>> Vermont Center for Ecostudies
> >>>>> PO Box 420 | Norwich, Vermont 05055
> >>>>> <https://ecoevo.social/@kpmcfarland> > >>>>> <https://www.inaturalist.org/people/317> > >>>>> <https://www.e-butterfly.org/ebapp/en/users/profile/kpmcfarland> > >>>>> <https://ebird.org/vt/profile/MjAwNjI> > >>>>> <https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Kent-Mcfarland> > >>>>> <http://val.vtecostudies.org/> > >>>> --
> >>>> Ruth Stewart
> >>>> E. Dorset VT
> On Nov 28, 2023, at 7:48 AM, Terry Marron <tgmarron...> wrote:
>
> Champlain Island CBC is Sunday December 19
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Nov 9, 2023, at 10:10 AM, Paul Wieczoreck <MGCPW...> wrote:
>>
>> Hinesburg CBC is Saturday , Dec 30th
>>
>>>> On Nov 8, 2023, at 9:43 AM, Durand <DURAND...> wrote:
>>> VTMAbraham CBC ~ January 1 , 2024 - RD
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>> On Nov 8, 2023, at 9:36 AM, R Stewart <2cnewbirds...> wrote:
>>>> Winhall will be Sat., Dec 16. More observers welcome.
>>>>> On Wed, Nov 8, 2023 at 9:21 AM Kent McFarland <kmcfarland...>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> Please send me to my email any CBC dates for Vermont so I can add them to
>>>>> the list on our annual eBird Vermont post here:
>>>>> https://ebird.org/vt/news/the-124th-christmas-bird-count-find-your-count >>>>> Thank you,
>>>>> Kent
>>>>> ____________________________
>>>>> Kent McFarland (he/him)
>>>>> Vermont Center for Ecostudies
>>>>> PO Box 420 | Norwich, Vermont 05055
>>>>> <https://ecoevo.social/@kpmcfarland> >>>>> <https://www.inaturalist.org/people/317> >>>>> <https://www.e-butterfly.org/ebapp/en/users/profile/kpmcfarland> >>>>> <https://ebird.org/vt/profile/MjAwNjI> >>>>> <https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Kent-Mcfarland> >>>>> <http://val.vtecostudies.org/> >>>> --
>>>> Ruth Stewart
>>>> E. Dorset VT
Date: 11/27/23 12:28 pm From: Richard Littauer <richard.littauer...> Subject: Re: [VTBIRD] Fw: [VTBIRD] Name change for Christmas Bird Count?
Interesting idea, Roy. I don't like naming things after people, but it's a
novel suggestion.
On another note, I emailed all of the circle organizers and asked which
circles have changed their names. So far, the centre of change appears to
be Montpelier.
*Changed*
- Hunger Mountain
- Mad River Valley/Northfield
- Plainfield/Montpelier
- Mt. Abraham
*Mostly changed*
- East Franklin County
*Changing Next Year*
- Barnet
- Woodstock
*Unchanged (Confirmed)*
- Brattleboro
- Burlington
- Champlain Islands/St. Albans
- Middlebury
- Island Pond
- Bennington
- Ferrisburgh
- Rutland
- Tri-County (Essex and nearby towns)
- Springfield
- Winhall/Windham
- Randolph Area
- Hinesburg-Huntington
- Lamoille County
*No Response*
- Hanover-Norwich
- Plattsburgh, NY (reaches the VT Champlain islands)
- Saxton’s River
Some of the circle leaders were adamant that it won't change, or just
unresponsive, which surprised me. Some also said that they would talk about
it with their circles during the potluck, to see what people think. I think
this is a great move.
On a personal note, my decision to only do CBCs that have changed their
names seems to be convenient, as most of the ones I am seriously
considering counting for have changed their names, anyway. Way to go,
Washington County.
Best,
Richard
On Mon, Nov 27, 2023 at 12:22 PM Roy Pilcher <
<00000022ffe6db53-dmarc-request...> wrote:
>
> If you find repetition in whatfollows, please excuse the lapse. Hereis my
> contribution to the debate.
>
> The name of the count, now knownas the “Christmas Bird Count,” should be
> replaced as the “Frank ChapmanAnnual Bird Count”.
>
> Why “Frank Chapman”?
>
> · Frank Chapman was the gentleman, who on December25, 1900, organized
> and realized an alternative to the “Side Hunt”, a seasonal maliciousand
> competitive killing of both birds and mammals.
>
> · Frank Chapman was a member of Audubon.
>
> · Frank Chapman was not only an academic ornithologistbut a lover of
> birds.
>
> · Frank Chapman was an activist and an earlyenvironmentalist.
>
> · Frank Chapman was a community organizer havingrecruited 26 fellow
> “birders” in both the USA and Canada to participate in the veryfirst
> “census”.
>
> · Frank Chapman had no known religious affiliationthat prompted or
> encouraged his action.
>
> Why “Annual”?
>
> · For one hundred and twenty-three years the counthas been “annual”
> and traditionally there is no reason for change.
>
> · The data collected constitutes the longestrunning community science
> project ever, the parameters of the count arestatistically controlling.
>
> · “Annual” as opposed to “Winter” is moreinclusive, inviting and
> encouraging participants south of the equator.
>
> Why “Birds”?
>
> · Birds, [and their numbers], have been the onlyscientific objective
> of the count.
>
> · Birds occur on every continent and in everycountry inviting
> participants from every country.
>
> · Birds recognize no national boundaries and havefreedom of movement.
>
> · Birds are found from the largest cities to the bleakestlandscapes.
>
> · Birds can be observed and counted from the youngestto the oldest in
> every community.
>
> · Birds are both climate and environmental indicators. Their numbers
> and locations are critical toboth their survival and our own existence.
>
> Why “Count”?
>
> · Well, that is what we do and have been doing forover one hundred
> years!
>
> · The cumulation of count numbers is a community activity,and
> community is both healthy and empowering.
>
> · Count numbers and their cumulation over theyears are indicators of
> the environmental condition that should stimulatepolicy objectives and
> changes.
> PS For 40-plus years I was the CBC coordinator for Rutland Couty Audubon
> Society.
> Roy Pilcher, Rutland, VT
> ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: Jared Katz <
> <000003825c43bc1a-dmarc-request...>To: "<vtbird...>" <
> <vtbird...>Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2023 at 08:46:17 PM
> ESTSubject: Re: [VTBIRD] Name change for Christmas Bird Count?
> Richard,
>
> Well said. The more inclusion, and the less risk of exclusion, the better
> off we all will be.
>
> With wishes for peace, I bid you all a happy Thanksgiving Day, however you
> might spend it.
>
> Jared
>
>
> Sent from my irresistible flat thing.
>
> > On Nov 22, 2023, at 09:45, Richard Littauer <richard.littauer...>
> wrote:
> >
> > No, Joe. Maple syrup will still be tapped, flannel will still be worn,
> > peepers will still come to see the leaves. Birders will still go out
> > together and look for birds at the end of December; Christians will still
> > open Christmas presents on Christmas Day; Jews in the state will continue
> > to celebrate, or not celebrate, their day off.
> >
> > All that is suggested is that we make it easier for people who aren't
> > Christian to feel included during the Christmas Bird Count. As a person
> of
> > Jewish descent in Vermont and as an ex-Evangelical, I like the idea of
> > changing the name. It's very tiring to hear "Merry Christmas" and to feel
> > like a grinch, year after year, simply because I don't celebrate the
> > holiday. Having the name change so that birding together at this time of
> > year isn't so tied to the Christian religion would help, if only a bit.
> >
> > It sounds like many circles in Vermont have already changed the name of
> > their circle. Has anyone attempted to make a list of all of the circles
> > that have, yet?
> >
> > Best,
> > R
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> On Wed, Nov 22, 2023 at 9:17 AM Joe Cuoco <jcuoco...> wrote:
> >>
> >> Question are all “traditions” going by the wayside ?
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPad
> >>
> >>> On Nov 20, 2023, at 1:43 PM, TheVermont BirderGuy <
> >> <000008ba8e52eb04-dmarc-request...> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi all
> >>>
> >>> Suggestion: The Great Vermont Bird Count
> >>>
> >>> Thanks, The Vermont Birder Guy (aka Gary), Sheldon
> >>> https://thevermontbirderguy.org/ > >>
> >
> >
> > --
> > Richard Littauer | burntfen.com <http://www.burntfen.com> | socials:
> > richard.social
>
>
Date: 11/27/23 9:22 am From: Roy Pilcher <00000022ffe6db53-dmarc-request...> Subject: [VTBIRD] Fw: [VTBIRD] Name change for Christmas Bird Count?
If you find repetition in whatfollows, please excuse the lapse. Hereis my contribution to the debate.
The name of the count, now knownas the “Christmas Bird Count,” should be replaced as the “Frank ChapmanAnnual Bird Count”.
Why “Frank Chapman”?
· Frank Chapman was the gentleman, who on December25, 1900, organized and realized an alternative to the “Side Hunt”, a seasonal maliciousand competitive killing of both birds and mammals.
· Frank Chapman was a member of Audubon.
· Frank Chapman was not only an academic ornithologistbut a lover of birds.
· Frank Chapman was an activist and an earlyenvironmentalist.
· Frank Chapman was a community organizer havingrecruited 26 fellow “birders” in both the USA and Canada to participate in the veryfirst “census”.
· Frank Chapman had no known religious affiliationthat prompted or encouraged his action.
Why “Annual”?
· For one hundred and twenty-three years the counthas been “annual” and traditionally there is no reason for change.
· The data collected constitutes the longestrunning community science project ever, the parameters of the count arestatistically controlling.
· “Annual” as opposed to “Winter” is moreinclusive, inviting and encouraging participants south of the equator.
Why “Birds”?
· Birds, [and their numbers], have been the onlyscientific objective of the count.
· Birds occur on every continent and in everycountry inviting participants from every country.
· Birds recognize no national boundaries and havefreedom of movement.
· Birds are found from the largest cities to the bleakestlandscapes.
· Birds can be observed and counted from the youngestto the oldest in every community.
· Birds are both climate and environmental indicators. Their numbers and locations are critical toboth their survival and our own existence.
Why “Count”?
· Well, that is what we do and have been doing forover one hundred years!
· The cumulation of count numbers is a community activity,and community is both healthy and empowering.
· Count numbers and their cumulation over theyears are indicators of the environmental condition that should stimulatepolicy objectives and changes.
PS For 40-plus years I was the CBC coordinator for Rutland Couty Audubon Society.
Roy Pilcher, Rutland, VT
----- Forwarded Message ----- From: Jared Katz <000003825c43bc1a-dmarc-request...>To: "<vtbird...>" <vtbird...>Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2023 at 08:46:17 PM ESTSubject: Re: [VTBIRD] Name change for Christmas Bird Count?
Richard,
Well said. The more inclusion, and the less risk of exclusion, the better off we all will be.
With wishes for peace, I bid you all a happy Thanksgiving Day, however you might spend it.
Jared
Sent from my irresistible flat thing.
> On Nov 22, 2023, at 09:45, Richard Littauer <richard.littauer...> wrote:
>
> No, Joe. Maple syrup will still be tapped, flannel will still be worn,
> peepers will still come to see the leaves. Birders will still go out
> together and look for birds at the end of December; Christians will still
> open Christmas presents on Christmas Day; Jews in the state will continue
> to celebrate, or not celebrate, their day off.
>
> All that is suggested is that we make it easier for people who aren't
> Christian to feel included during the Christmas Bird Count. As a person of
> Jewish descent in Vermont and as an ex-Evangelical, I like the idea of
> changing the name. It's very tiring to hear "Merry Christmas" and to feel
> like a grinch, year after year, simply because I don't celebrate the
> holiday. Having the name change so that birding together at this time of
> year isn't so tied to the Christian religion would help, if only a bit.
>
> It sounds like many circles in Vermont have already changed the name of
> their circle. Has anyone attempted to make a list of all of the circles
> that have, yet?
>
> Best,
> R
>
>
>
>
>
>> On Wed, Nov 22, 2023 at 9:17 AM Joe Cuoco <jcuoco...> wrote:
>>
>> Question are all “traditions” going by the wayside ?
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>> On Nov 20, 2023, at 1:43 PM, TheVermont BirderGuy <
>> <000008ba8e52eb04-dmarc-request...> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi all
>>>
>>> Suggestion: The Great Vermont Bird Count
>>>
>>> Thanks, The Vermont Birder Guy (aka Gary), Sheldon
>>> https://thevermontbirderguy.org/ >>
>
>
> --
> Richard Littauer | burntfen.com <http://www.burntfen.com> | socials:
> richard.social
Date: 11/27/23 8:55 am From: TheVermont BirderGuy <000008ba8e52eb04-dmarc-request...> Subject: [VTBIRD] Sandhill Crane, Rough-legged Hawk, Northern Harrier and Snow Bunting [Franklin]
Hi all
Cranes last seen on past Friday. Did not find on Sat or Sun attempts. I found two Rough-legged Hawk, one Northern Harrier and three Snow Bunting on Missisquoi NWR headquarters road Saturday.
Single female, quite dark (prob from wet snow) appearance but summer white/tan markings visible if subdued. She joined the ground feeding going on below windows where I throw sunflower hearts etc. in bad weather, a giantess among the winter birds.Veer Frost, Passumpsic
_In an information-rich world, the wealth of information means a dearth of something else: a scarcity of whatever it is that information consumes. What information consumes is rather obvious: it consumes the attention of its recipients. Hence a wealth of information creates a poverty of attention._H Simon, Nobel Laureate
Date: 11/27/23 6:16 am From: Maeve Kim <maevekim7...> Subject: Re: [VTBIRD] NYTimes.com: Why Warblers Flock to Wealthier Neighborhoods
Fascinating and distressing - and obvious. Poor areas have fewer trees, fewer parks, more areas with nothing but broken pavement. We have a friend who has been instrumental in rejuvenating Chester PA, at one time the murder capital of the country; the group involved made the inner city both safer and more attractive to humans, with murals, an art center, etc. We humans CAN make things better, but right now it appears there is a strong desire only to make things worse!
Maeve Kim, Jericho Center
Date: 11/27/23 5:58 am From: kfinch <kfinch51...> Subject: Re: [VTBIRD] NYTimes.com: Why Warblers Flock to Wealthier Neighborhoods
Very interesting! Thanks for sharing. Ken Finch -------- Original message --------From: Mundi Smithers <amen1farm...> Date: 11/27/23 7:51 AM (GMT-05:00) To: <VTBIRD...> Subject: [VTBIRD] NYTimes.com: Why Warblers Flock to Wealthier Neighborhoods Check out this article from The New York Times. Because I'm a subscriber, you can read it through this gift link without a subscription.Makes perfect sense! Even though I am aware of this phenomenon, until reading this article I honestly didn’t ‘know that I knew’ ….if that makes any sense. MundiNorth PownalWhy Warblers Flock to Wealthier NeighborhoodsIn the unequal distribution of birds and other species, ecologists are tracing the impact of bigoted urban policies adopted decades ago.https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/21/science/birds-cities-redlining.html?<unlocked_article_code...>&smid=em-shareSent from my iPadThe greatest tragedy in mankind’s entire history may be the hijacking of morality by religion.Arthur C Clarke 1917 - 2008Garden-Making is the slowest of the performing arts.Mac Griswold
Date: 11/27/23 4:52 am From: Mundi Smithers <amen1farm...> Subject: [VTBIRD] NYTimes.com: Why Warblers Flock to Wealthier Neighborhoods
Check out this article from The New York Times. Because I'm a subscriber, you can read it through this gift link without a subscription.
Makes perfect sense! Even though I am aware of this phenomenon, until reading this article I honestly didn’t ‘know that I knew’ ….if that makes any sense.
Mundi
North Pownal
Why Warblers Flock to Wealthier Neighborhoods
In the unequal distribution of birds and other species, ecologists are tracing the impact of bigoted urban policies adopted decades ago.
Date: 11/26/23 6:10 am From: Jeanne Elias <moosewoman...> Subject: [VTBIRD] SEEKING FIELD TEAM Birders for the Mad Birder Winter Bird Count (WBC) on Friday 12/15/23
The Mad Birders are looking for a few birders wanting to participate for a full or half day of birding on Friday December 15th in the Mad River Valley and Northfield WBC. We have about 6 remaining spots on Field Teams for our WBC and would LOVE your help. We renamed our count last year to the Winter Bird Count, but follow traditional CBC protocols and share our data with Audubon. Please reply off list to me or to <info...>
Thanks!
Jeannie Elias
Date: 11/24/23 8:41 am From: Amanda Pompili <ivmeer...> Subject: Re: [VTBIRD] Name change for Christmas Bird Count?
Just saying, as a non-Christian and a birder, it would be helpful if the Christmas bird count weren't on a Saturday. As a Jewish person, I can go out on Christmas, but Sabbath gets much more tricky.
________________________________
From: Vermont Birds <VTBIRD...> on behalf of Meredith Barges <meredith.barges...>
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2023 12:56 PM
To: <VTBIRD...> <VTBIRD...>
Subject: Re: [VTBIRD] Name change for Christmas Bird Count?
Thank you, Jared, for sharing that. It's an important reminder for us all
that not everyone who participates in the CBC are Christian or observe
Christmas. We should want to encourage more people to join the count.
The history behind the annual count is interesting. In the nascent days of
the conservation movement, people used to spend the Christmas holiday
competitively hunting birds, so conservationists devised count as a way to
shift people's behaviors from shooting birds to counting birds. So, the
count's origins have nothing to do with the Christmas holiday itself. And
it's good to consider that the New Testament says nothing about marking the
Christ child's birth by shooting birds or counting birds.
So, a name that's more inclusive and more accurate seems like the way to go.
--
*Meredith Barges *
*Urban Bird Conservationist &*
*Public Policy Advocate*
Co-author, Building Safer Cities for Birds (American Bird Conservancy &
Yale Law School, 2023)
<https://law.yale.edu/sites/default/files/documents/pdf/building_safer_cities_for_birds.pdf> Yale University Law, Ethics & Animals Program Grant (2022)
Certificate of Outstanding Recognition in Sustainability, Yale University
(2023)
On Fri, Nov 17, 2023, 12:18 PM Jared Katz <
<000003825c43bc1a-dmarc-request...> wrote:
> Well, Christmas Tree refers specifically to a tree associated with the
> celebration of that religious holiday, whereas the bird count is associated
> with a season in which several religions celebrate. A clear difference.
> Notwithstanding the thread of the current discussion the naming of the
> count has always seemed troublesome to be because it’s inaccurate. I’m not
> sure that I’ve ever seen a count date listed as the 25th.
>
> I am a Jew, and I grew up with a Christmas tree, not a Chanukah bush,
> which we decorated (complete with Star of David on top) and displayed for
> Christmas. It was not for winter. I, personally, have no religious qualms
> with the CBC name. I only question its accuracy in describing the count.
>
> Winter bird count would certainly be a more accurate representation of
> when counts occur - obviously, on more than one day - religion and
> “political correctness” aside.
>
> Jared Katz
>
> Sent from my irresistible flat thing.
>
> > On Nov 17, 2023, at 08:55, L Kulas <
> <0000048acbee2c0c-dmarc-request...> wrote:
> >
> > It is too bad that political correctness and divisive politics is
> taking over the birding conversation. In the face of so much sadness in the
> world why worry about the "correct" wording of the CBC. Next will it be
> "winter tree"?
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Nov 17, 2023, at 6:20 AM, <cgbbill...> wrote:
> >>
> >> Thank you, Zac!
> >>
> >> Long ago, I used to contribute my $5 to the CBC for my participation,
> and
> >> when that requirement sunsetted, I donated regularly to both the CBC and
> >> the sponsoring organization. Ignorance is bliss, but events of the last
> >> year changed that, so just yesterday, I returned my envelope to the
> >> sponsoring organization, empty of any donation but with a written
> request
> >> to remove my name from their solicitation list. The "lack of ...
> willpower"
> >> at the national leadership level means I will no longer contribute to
> them.
> >> There are other worthy national (and local) birding organizations that
> can
> >> use the money instead of one that won't do the right thing.
> >>
> >>> On Thu, Nov 16, 2023 at 7:50 AM Zacheriah Cota-Weaver <
> <zcotaweaver...>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Teage,
> >>>
> >>> As the founding compiler of the Hunger Mountain count, I made the
> >>> unilateral decision last year to rename and rebrand the count as the
> Winter
> >>> Bird Count in the absence of guidance from the sponsoring organization.
> >>> I've also removed the name of the sponsoring organization from
> promotional
> >>> material due to the national organizations failure to change their name
> >>> last year. The count is still run as part of the NAS effort and the
> data is
> >>> submitted the same as always. Unfortunately the seeming lack of
> progress
> >>> willpower at the top of NAS means that it will be up to leaders at the
> >>> local level to make these changes.
> >>>
> >>> Zac
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, Nov 15, 2023 at 7:42 AM Teage O'Connor <badger.meli...>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> I have no idea what the process for this would be on a state level as
> I
> >>>> know this is tied in with a much larger multi-continent effort to
> count
> >>>> birds every year around the same time, but I think it would be an
> >>> important
> >>>> step towards making the event more inclusive to change the name of the
> >>> CBC
> >>>> to something secular - Winter Bird Count? I am not sure how the name
> >>>> actually impacts participation numbers for the event, but speaking for
> >>>> myself (and reflecting what I've heard others note over the years),
> this
> >>> is
> >>>> just another case where as a Jew I feel slightly on the outside in a
> >>> space
> >>>> that should be secular. I'll still be participating counting the
> crows in
> >>>> Burlington, but just wanted to add my thoughts here.
> >>>>
> >>>> Here's a well articulated post on the topic:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> https://www.10000birds.com/should-we-take-the-christmas-out-of-the-christmas-bird-count.htm > >>>>
> >>>> Teage O'Connor (he/him)
> >>>> CrowsPath.org <https://crowspath.org/> > >>>>
> >>>> *Wild Burlington natural history newsletter*
> >>>> - https://crowspath.org/newsletter > >>>> *Natural History field guides*
> >>>> - https://crowspath.org/field-guides > >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Zacheriah (Zac) Cota-Weaver
> >>> 32 University Lane, Apt #106
> >>> Colchester, VT 05446
> >>> (802) 696-8613 cell
> >>> <zcotaweaver...>
> >>>
>
Date: 11/22/23 5:46 pm From: Jared Katz <000003825c43bc1a-dmarc-request...> Subject: Re: [VTBIRD] Name change for Christmas Bird Count?
Richard,
Well said. The more inclusion, and the less risk of exclusion, the better off we all will be.
With wishes for peace, I bid you all a happy Thanksgiving Day, however you might spend it.
Jared
Sent from my irresistible flat thing.
> On Nov 22, 2023, at 09:45, Richard Littauer <richard.littauer...> wrote:
>
> No, Joe. Maple syrup will still be tapped, flannel will still be worn,
> peepers will still come to see the leaves. Birders will still go out
> together and look for birds at the end of December; Christians will still
> open Christmas presents on Christmas Day; Jews in the state will continue
> to celebrate, or not celebrate, their day off.
>
> All that is suggested is that we make it easier for people who aren't
> Christian to feel included during the Christmas Bird Count. As a person of
> Jewish descent in Vermont and as an ex-Evangelical, I like the idea of
> changing the name. It's very tiring to hear "Merry Christmas" and to feel
> like a grinch, year after year, simply because I don't celebrate the
> holiday. Having the name change so that birding together at this time of
> year isn't so tied to the Christian religion would help, if only a bit.
>
> It sounds like many circles in Vermont have already changed the name of
> their circle. Has anyone attempted to make a list of all of the circles
> that have, yet?
>
> Best,
> R
>
>
>
>
>
>> On Wed, Nov 22, 2023 at 9:17 AM Joe Cuoco <jcuoco...> wrote:
>>
>> Question are all “traditions” going by the wayside ?
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>> On Nov 20, 2023, at 1:43 PM, TheVermont BirderGuy <
>> <000008ba8e52eb04-dmarc-request...> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi all
>>>
>>> Suggestion: The Great Vermont Bird Count
>>>
>>> Thanks, The Vermont Birder Guy (aka Gary), Sheldon
>>> https://thevermontbirderguy.org/ >>
>
>
> --
> Richard Littauer | burntfen.com <http://www.burntfen.com> | socials:
> richard.social
Date: 11/22/23 5:38 pm From: R Stewart <2cnewbirds...> Subject: Re: [VTBIRD] Vermont Birding Hotspots website updated
Thank you, Ken and Adam, for this incredible resource. AND so very glad
that Namibia is part of the project! 😉.
On Wed, Nov 22, 2023 at 3:40 PM Ken Ostermiller <ostermik...> wrote:
> There is a wealth of information about where to go birding in Vermont on
> the Vermont Birding Hotspots website:
> https://birdinghotspots.org/region/US-VT >
> I recently updated all the pages with information about restrooms, roadside
> birding, wheelchair-accessible trails, and entry fees. If you note any
> adjustments, please use the links on the page about the hotspot to suggest
> updated information. Many pages lack *Tips for Birding *or information
> about *Birds of Interest*. Additions to those areas are also welcome
> as are *photos
> *of the location to replace the Google Street view that is a temporary
> photo banner for the page.
>
> I have made similar improvements to the pages about hotspots in New
> Hampshire:
> https://birdinghotspots.org/region/US-NH > Similar additions are welcome for those locations!
>
> Ken Ostermiller
> Shelburne, VT
> Birding Hotspots (https://birdinghotspots.org/) is a non-commercial,
> open-source project of two birders. Ken Ostermiller is a volunteer eBird
> hotspot reviewer who recently moved to Vermont and started the website in
> cooperation with the Ohio Ornithological Society. Adam Jackson is a
> software developer and has done the coding for the project. The project has
> information about eBird hotspots in 33 US states, 2 provinces in Canada,
> and Namibia.
>
I recently updated all the pages with information about restrooms, roadside birding, wheelchair-accessible trails, and entry fees. If you note any adjustments, please use the links on the page about the hotspot to suggest updated information. Many pages lack *Tips for Birding *or information about *Birds of Interest*. Additions to those areas are also welcome as are *photos *of the location to replace the Google Street view that is a temporary photo banner for the page.
I have made similar improvements to the pages about hotspots in New Hampshire: https://birdinghotspots.org/region/US-NH Similar additions are welcome for those locations!
Ken Ostermiller Shelburne, VT Birding Hotspots (https://birdinghotspots.org/) is a non-commercial, open-source project of two birders. Ken Ostermiller is a volunteer eBird hotspot reviewer who recently moved to Vermont and started the website in cooperation with the Ohio Ornithological Society. Adam Jackson is a software developer and has done the coding for the project. The project has information about eBird hotspots in 33 US states, 2 provinces in Canada, and Namibia.
Date: 11/22/23 12:34 pm From: Susan Paradis <susanp.fcwc...> Subject: [VTBIRD] Name change, Christmas Bird Count
Richard, I found your reply to be moving and eloquent ... and I think Jeff MacQueen has a good idea to just keep it simple -- Winter Bird Count (which Zac is using for the Hunger Mountain count.) Susan
Date: 11/22/23 12:29 pm From: Charlie Teske <cteske140...> Subject: Re: [VTBIRD] Name change for Christmas Bird Count?
"An Accumulation of Acclimatized Avians" has a nice ring to it, no?
On Wed, 22 Nov 2023 12:56:20 -0500, Jeff MacQueen <jmacqueen65...> wrote:
I would like to change the name of the Barnet count next year. I am in
favor of a simple, strait forward name change....Winter Bird Count.
Jeff St. Johnsbury
On Wednesday, November 22, 2023, Richard Littauer <
<richard.littauer...> wrote:
> No, Joe. Maple syrup will still be tapped, flannel will still be worn,
> peepers will still come to see the leaves. Birders will still go out
> together and look for birds at the end of December; Christians will still
> open Christmas presents on Christmas Day; Jews in the state will continue
> to celebrate, or not celebrate, their day off.
>
> All that is suggested is that we make it easier for people who aren't
> Christian to feel included during the Christmas Bird Count. As a person of
> Jewish descent in Vermont and as an ex-Evangelical, I like the idea of
> changing the name. It's very tiring to hear "Merry Christmas" and to feel
> like a grinch, year after year, simply because I don't celebrate the
> holiday. Having the name change so that birding together at this time of
> year isn't so tied to the Christian religion would help, if only a bit.
>
> It sounds like many circles in Vermont have already changed the name of
> their circle. Has anyone attempted to make a list of all of the circles
> that have, yet?
>
> Best,
> R
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 22, 2023 at 9:17 AM Joe Cuoco wrote:
>
> > Question are all “traditions” going by the wayside ?
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
> >
> > > On Nov 20, 2023, at 1:43 PM, TheVermont BirderGuy <
> > <000008ba8e52eb04-dmarc-request...> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi all
> > >
> > > Suggestion: The Great Vermont Bird Count
> > >
> > > Thanks, The Vermont Birder Guy (aka Gary), Sheldon
> > > https://thevermontbirderguy.org/ > >
>
>
> --
> Richard Littauer | burntfen.com | socials:
> richard.social
>
Date: 11/22/23 9:56 am From: Jeff MacQueen <jmacqueen65...> Subject: Re: [VTBIRD] Name change for Christmas Bird Count?
I would like to change the name of the Barnet count next year. I am in
favor of a simple, strait forward name change....Winter Bird Count.
Jeff St. Johnsbury
On Wednesday, November 22, 2023, Richard Littauer <
<richard.littauer...> wrote:
> No, Joe. Maple syrup will still be tapped, flannel will still be worn,
> peepers will still come to see the leaves. Birders will still go out
> together and look for birds at the end of December; Christians will still
> open Christmas presents on Christmas Day; Jews in the state will continue
> to celebrate, or not celebrate, their day off.
>
> All that is suggested is that we make it easier for people who aren't
> Christian to feel included during the Christmas Bird Count. As a person of
> Jewish descent in Vermont and as an ex-Evangelical, I like the idea of
> changing the name. It's very tiring to hear "Merry Christmas" and to feel
> like a grinch, year after year, simply because I don't celebrate the
> holiday. Having the name change so that birding together at this time of
> year isn't so tied to the Christian religion would help, if only a bit.
>
> It sounds like many circles in Vermont have already changed the name of
> their circle. Has anyone attempted to make a list of all of the circles
> that have, yet?
>
> Best,
> R
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 22, 2023 at 9:17 AM Joe Cuoco <jcuoco...> wrote:
>
> > Question are all “traditions” going by the wayside ?
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
> >
> > > On Nov 20, 2023, at 1:43 PM, TheVermont BirderGuy <
> > <000008ba8e52eb04-dmarc-request...> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi all
> > >
> > > Suggestion: The Great Vermont Bird Count
> > >
> > > Thanks, The Vermont Birder Guy (aka Gary), Sheldon
> > > https://thevermontbirderguy.org/ > >
>
>
> --
> Richard Littauer | burntfen.com <http://www.burntfen.com> | socials:
> richard.social
>
Date: 11/22/23 6:45 am From: Richard Littauer <richard.littauer...> Subject: Re: [VTBIRD] Name change for Christmas Bird Count?
No, Joe. Maple syrup will still be tapped, flannel will still be worn,
peepers will still come to see the leaves. Birders will still go out
together and look for birds at the end of December; Christians will still
open Christmas presents on Christmas Day; Jews in the state will continue
to celebrate, or not celebrate, their day off.
All that is suggested is that we make it easier for people who aren't
Christian to feel included during the Christmas Bird Count. As a person of
Jewish descent in Vermont and as an ex-Evangelical, I like the idea of
changing the name. It's very tiring to hear "Merry Christmas" and to feel
like a grinch, year after year, simply because I don't celebrate the
holiday. Having the name change so that birding together at this time of
year isn't so tied to the Christian religion would help, if only a bit.
It sounds like many circles in Vermont have already changed the name of
their circle. Has anyone attempted to make a list of all of the circles
that have, yet?
Best,
R
On Wed, Nov 22, 2023 at 9:17 AM Joe Cuoco <jcuoco...> wrote:
> Question are all “traditions” going by the wayside ?
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On Nov 20, 2023, at 1:43 PM, TheVermont BirderGuy <
> <000008ba8e52eb04-dmarc-request...> wrote:
> >
> > Hi all
> >
> > Suggestion: The Great Vermont Bird Count
> >
> > Thanks, The Vermont Birder Guy (aka Gary), Sheldon
> > https://thevermontbirderguy.org/ >
Date: 11/22/23 6:17 am From: Joe Cuoco <jcuoco...> Subject: Re: [VTBIRD] Name change for Christmas Bird Count?
Question are all “traditions” going by the wayside ?
Sent from my iPad
> On Nov 20, 2023, at 1:43 PM, TheVermont BirderGuy <000008ba8e52eb04-dmarc-request...> wrote:
>
> Hi all
>
> Suggestion: The Great Vermont Bird Count
>
> Thanks, The Vermont Birder Guy (aka Gary), Sheldon
> https://thevermontbirderguy.org/
Date: 11/20/23 10:34 am From: Steve Smith <ethologicac...> Subject: Re: [VTBIRD] Name change for Christmas Bird Count?
Well, there's the Big Sit.
The Christmas Bird Count could become the Frigid Sit... well, up here in
Vermont anyway. Birdsicle Bird Count?
And regarding the actual time of Christmas, it becomes more confusing when
we remember that there are 12 days of Christmas.
On Fri, Nov 17, 2023 at 12:47 PM Larry Morin <lmorin...> wrote:
> For what it is worth, the Christmas Bird Count officially occurs each year
> during a 23 day window, Dec. 14 to Jan. 5. The center of that window is
> Dec. 25, the day of a national holiday in the US known as "Christmas." The
> interval itself is not a "winter interval" as winter arrives with the
> winter solstice on Dec. 21, 2023, a week after the start of the Christmas
> Count window.
> Larry
>
> On Fri, Nov 17, 2023 at 12:19 PM Jared Katz <
> <000003825c43bc1a-dmarc-request...> wrote:
>
> > Well, Christmas Tree refers specifically to a tree associated with the
> > celebration of that religious holiday, whereas the bird count is
> associated
> > with a season in which several religions celebrate. A clear difference.
> > Notwithstanding the thread of the current discussion the naming of the
> > count has always seemed troublesome to be because it’s inaccurate. I’m
> not
> > sure that I’ve ever seen a count date listed as the 25th.
> >
> > I am a Jew, and I grew up with a Christmas tree, not a Chanukah bush,
> > which we decorated (complete with Star of David on top) and displayed for
> > Christmas. It was not for winter. I, personally, have no religious qualms
> > with the CBC name. I only question its accuracy in describing the count.
> >
> > Winter bird count would certainly be a more accurate representation of
> > when counts occur - obviously, on more than one day - religion and
> > “political correctness” aside.
> >
> > Jared Katz
> >
> > Sent from my irresistible flat thing.
> >
> > > On Nov 17, 2023, at 08:55, L Kulas <
> > <0000048acbee2c0c-dmarc-request...> wrote:
> > >
> > > It is too bad that political correctness and divisive politics is
> > taking over the birding conversation. In the face of so much sadness in
> the
> > world why worry about the "correct" wording of the CBC. Next will it be
> > "winter tree"?
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > >> On Nov 17, 2023, at 6:20 AM, <cgbbill...> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Thank you, Zac!
> > >>
> > >> Long ago, I used to contribute my $5 to the CBC for my participation,
> > and
> > >> when that requirement sunsetted, I donated regularly to both the CBC
> and
> > >> the sponsoring organization. Ignorance is bliss, but events of the
> last
> > >> year changed that, so just yesterday, I returned my envelope to the
> > >> sponsoring organization, empty of any donation but with a written
> > request
> > >> to remove my name from their solicitation list. The "lack of ...
> > willpower"
> > >> at the national leadership level means I will no longer contribute to
> > them.
> > >> There are other worthy national (and local) birding organizations that
> > can
> > >> use the money instead of one that won't do the right thing.
> > >>
> > >>> On Thu, Nov 16, 2023 at 7:50 AM Zacheriah Cota-Weaver <
> > <zcotaweaver...>
> > >>> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> Teage,
> > >>>
> > >>> As the founding compiler of the Hunger Mountain count, I made the
> > >>> unilateral decision last year to rename and rebrand the count as the
> > Winter
> > >>> Bird Count in the absence of guidance from the sponsoring
> organization.
> > >>> I've also removed the name of the sponsoring organization from
> > promotional
> > >>> material due to the national organizations failure to change their
> name
> > >>> last year. The count is still run as part of the NAS effort and the
> > data is
> > >>> submitted the same as always. Unfortunately the seeming lack of
> > progress
> > >>> willpower at the top of NAS means that it will be up to leaders at
> the
> > >>> local level to make these changes.
> > >>>
> > >>> Zac
> > >>>
> > >>> On Wed, Nov 15, 2023 at 7:42 AM Teage O'Connor <
> <badger.meli...>
> > >>> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> I have no idea what the process for this would be on a state level
> as
> > I
> > >>>> know this is tied in with a much larger multi-continent effort to
> > count
> > >>>> birds every year around the same time, but I think it would be an
> > >>> important
> > >>>> step towards making the event more inclusive to change the name of
> the
> > >>> CBC
> > >>>> to something secular - Winter Bird Count? I am not sure how the name
> > >>>> actually impacts participation numbers for the event, but speaking
> for
> > >>>> myself (and reflecting what I've heard others note over the years),
> > this
> > >>> is
> > >>>> just another case where as a Jew I feel slightly on the outside in a
> > >>> space
> > >>>> that should be secular. I'll still be participating counting the
> > crows in
> > >>>> Burlington, but just wanted to add my thoughts here.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Here's a well articulated post on the topic:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>
> >
> https://www.10000birds.com/should-we-take-the-christmas-out-of-the-christmas-bird-count.htm > > >>>>
> > >>>> Teage O'Connor (he/him)
> > >>>> CrowsPath.org <https://crowspath.org/> > > >>>>
> > >>>> *Wild Burlington natural history newsletter*
> > >>>> - https://crowspath.org/newsletter > > >>>> *Natural History field guides*
> > >>>> - https://crowspath.org/field-guides > > >>>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> --
> > >>> Zacheriah (Zac) Cota-Weaver
> > >>> 32 University Lane, Apt #106
> > >>> Colchester, VT 05446
> > >>> (802) 696-8613 cell
> > >>> <zcotaweaver...>
> > >>>
> >
>
Date: 11/20/23 9:17 am From: Rich Kelley <rich...> Subject: Re: [VTBIRD] Wolcott Family Natural Area
I think the parking lot is gated off after October so they don't have to plow or maintain it through the winter.
-----Original Message-----
From: Vermont Birds <VTBIRD...> On Behalf Of <thevermontbirderguy...>
Sent: Monday, November 20, 2023 12:08 PM
To: <VTBIRD...>
Subject: Re: [VTBIRD] Wolcott Family Natural Area
also waiting on a response from Winooski Parks about it I sent this morning
On Monday, November 20, 2023 at 11:49:30 AM EST, Ken Ostermiller <ostermik...> wrote:
It would be great if someone who has visited this location would add tips for birding and info on the trails. I would also like to replace the Google Street View with photos of the habitats at this location.
On Mon, Nov 20, 2023 at 11:03 AM TheVermont BirderGuy < <000008ba8e52eb04-dmarc-request...> wrote:
> Hi all
>
> This place open for public use? Trail(s)? Birding any good? I saw the
> other day while heading toward Colchester Pond.
>
> Thanks, The Vermont Birder Guy (aka Gary), Sheldon
> https://thev/ > ermontbirderguy.org%2F&data=05%7C01%<7Crich...>%7C77d283d
> c861d4e223cc208dbe9eb3299%7C01a5aaa3c2634a2a979be0175eff7ed6%7C0%7C0%7C638360968609403073%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=vI7wWd3%2Bqq8oawLQdXEBXhybxiR3FWwDk43p53PTABM%3D&reserved=0
>
Date: 11/20/23 9:08 am From: <thevermontbirderguy...> <000008ba8e52eb04-dmarc-request...> Subject: Re: [VTBIRD] Wolcott Family Natural Area
also waiting on a response from Winooski Parks about it I sent this morning
On Monday, November 20, 2023 at 11:49:30 AM EST, Ken Ostermiller <ostermik...> wrote:
It would be great if someone who has visited this location would add tips
for birding and info on the trails. I would also like to replace the Google
Street View with photos of the habitats at this location.
On Mon, Nov 20, 2023 at 11:03 AM TheVermont BirderGuy <
<000008ba8e52eb04-dmarc-request...> wrote:
> Hi all
>
> This place open for public use? Trail(s)? Birding any good? I saw the
> other day while heading toward Colchester Pond.
>
> Thanks, The Vermont Birder Guy (aka Gary), Sheldon
> https://thevermontbirderguy.org/ >
Date: 11/20/23 9:06 am From: <thevermontbirderguy...> <000008ba8e52eb04-dmarc-request...> Subject: Re: [VTBIRD] Wolcott Family Natural Area
Thanks, we'll probably go this weekend. I'll take plenty of photos and make tips/suggestions. Would think it would be good place during bird migration.
On Monday, November 20, 2023 at 11:49:30 AM EST, Ken Ostermiller <ostermik...> wrote:
It would be great if someone who has visited this location would add tips
for birding and info on the trails. I would also like to replace the Google
Street View with photos of the habitats at this location.
On Mon, Nov 20, 2023 at 11:03 AM TheVermont BirderGuy <
<000008ba8e52eb04-dmarc-request...> wrote:
> Hi all
>
> This place open for public use? Trail(s)? Birding any good? I saw the
> other day while heading toward Colchester Pond.
>
> Thanks, The Vermont Birder Guy (aka Gary), Sheldon
> https://thevermontbirderguy.org/ >
It would be great if someone who has visited this location would add tips
for birding and info on the trails. I would also like to replace the Google
Street View with photos of the habitats at this location.
On Mon, Nov 20, 2023 at 11:03 AM TheVermont BirderGuy <
<000008ba8e52eb04-dmarc-request...> wrote:
> Hi all
>
> This place open for public use? Trail(s)? Birding any good? I saw the
> other day while heading toward Colchester Pond.
>
> Thanks, The Vermont Birder Guy (aka Gary), Sheldon
> https://thevermontbirderguy.org/ >
Date: 11/19/23 9:40 am From: Peg Clement <clementpeg...> Subject: [VTBIRD] Sandhill Cranes, still
The pair is still present as of this morning in the corn stubble field on St. Pierre Road Fairfax. Between the yellow house and the green house, north side.
Date: 11/19/23 8:47 am From: Maeve Kim <maevekim7...> Subject: Re: [VTBIRD] Want to help birds this winter? Plant native berries.
An article we should all read! Thanks, Walter. - Here’s a link to an article about our yard, which we’ve spent several years making into a sanctuary for pollinators, birds, other wildlife, and us:
https://www.birdwatchingdaily.com/beginners/bird-friendly-yards/creating-sanctuary-birds/ Anyone can get three articles without a subscription. Sorry about all the ads, but most of them can be deleted by clicking on the x-es.
Maeve Kim, Jericho Center
> On Nov 19, 2023, at 7:09 AM, Walter Medwid <wmedwid...> wrote:
>
> Here is a link to a WaPo article that may be of interest.
>
> https://wapo.st/3R8wKrS
Date: 11/17/23 2:37 pm From: Jim Morris <0000019b462d357c-dmarc-request...> Subject: Re: [VTBIRD] How about ---The Great End of Year Bird Count!
Solstice Bird count is getting closer, but it lacks the alliteration, and a connection to a cultural element.I propose “ Saturnalia Bird Search “ .
On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 04:30:40 PM EST, Sally Laughlin <sblaughlininvt...> wrote:
What about *Winter Solstice Bird Count* - which would align it correctly
with the Season, differentiate it from other winter bird counts, and be
stating a fact about the movement of the earth around our sun? (might
offend some flat earth folks, but they are unlikely to be taking part in a
bird census).
My two cents, to a good discussion. Sally Laughlin
****************************
*Sally Laughlin*
*Cambridge VT *
*<sblaughlininvt...> <sblaughlininvt...>*
***************************
On Fri, Nov 17, 2023 at 3:28 PM Ian Worley <iworley...> wrote:
Date: 11/17/23 2:33 pm From: <bmacphe...> <00000017afe5cb7a-dmarc-request...> Subject: Re: [VTBIRD] Name change for Christmas Bird Count?
I don't have an answer to Ken's question, but an easy way to tell whether a state organization is affiliated with NAS or not is to look at the name. If Audubon comes first (eg Audubon Vermont, Audubon Connecticut) it's an NAS affiliate. If the Audubon name comes after the state name (eg Mass Audubon, Connecticut Audubon Society) the organization is independent of NAS.
Bruce MacPherson
South Burlington
On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 11:38:59 AM EST, Ken Copenhaver <copenhvr...> wrote:
I would be interested to know if any state Audubons have changed their
names. I believe some are more independent of National Audubon than others.
Some larger chapters (Seattle, Portland, Chicago, Golden Gate) have new
names. Probably some smaller ones have too that haven't made the news.
Ken Copenhaver
On Fri, Nov 17, 2023 at 9:06 AM <kj813...> <
<0000002d57029402-dmarc-request...> wrote:
> Agree about changing to Winter Bird Count - less religious, more global,
> and simply respectful.
> Submitting our citizen science data and engaging in the wonderful act of
> birding is the point -- that can continue with VTBird, Ebird, Merlin, etc.
> To Ken's point, I have been reading that some state and city entities with
> Audubon in their name have been making a name change. Not sure what it
> would entail or who would lead such an effort but note it is happening
> elsewhere. Best, Kay
> On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 10:45:28 AM EST, alison wagner <
> <alikatofvt...> wrote:
>
> plus the count is now an international event...Winter Bird Count works
> for the northern hemisphere!
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ken Copenhaver" <copenhvr...>
> To: "Vermont Birds" <VTBIRD...>
> Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2023 10:41:55 AM
> Subject: Re: [VTBIRD] Name change for Christmas Bird Count?
>
> As I understand it, Audubon Vermont is owned by National Audubon, and its
> employees are paid by National Audubon. They therefore have no ability to
> change their name, and I wouldn't expect that they would take a stand on
> the Christmas Bird Count name. On the other hand, the local "Audubon"
> chapters (just like the "CBC" circles) are independent and can name
> themselves anything they want.
>
> Ken Copenhaver
>
> On Thu, Nov 16, 2023 at 9:52 AM Jim Phillips <jim...> wrote:
>
> > Surely the Vermont Avian Society would be open to entertaining these
> ideas.
> >
> > On 11/16/2023 9:21 AM, Meredith Barges wrote:
> > > This is an important effort that I wholeheartedly support. It's on
> topic
> > > for the National Audubon Society. At their recent Audubon Leadership
> > > Conference in Colorado (Nov 2-5), they showed a real commitment to
> > promote
> > > inclusivity in their topics and participants, to widen the birding and
> > bird
> > > conservation community, to be more representative of the America we
> live
> > in
> > > and the world that we live in.
> > >
> > > I think that this name change proposal would get real attention from
> > them.
> > >
> > > On Thu, Nov 16, 2023, 8:56 AM Andrea Landsberg <olokaandrea...>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> I have to admit I was taken aback by the name when I first became
> aware
> > of
> > >> this great tradition about 6 years ago. But not surprised really as we
> > all
> > >> know NAS is not at the forefront of cultural awareness...
> > >>
> > >> Yes, we can all just rename our local counts. But that still doesn't
> > feel
> > >> right. It seems this is 'tacit' approval as we continue to support
> the
> > >> Audubon CBC effort (I know, I know - the data is uber important!)
> > >>
> > >> I don't know if anyone from Audubon Vermont is on the list serve?
> Maybe
> > >> we can approach them and see if they might work with the VT birding
> > >> community on this. Or at least get all of the local chapters on board
> > and
> > >> then go to state organization - and get media involved! I wonder if
> we
> > can
> > >> enlist Cornell Lab as I have to believe they would also want to change
> > the
> > >> name?
> > >>
> > >> We shouldn't give up trying! Starting this global revolution from our
> > >> brave little state seems appropriate.
> > >>
> > >> Thanks Teage for speaking up about something we all obviously have
> been
> > >> troubled by but simply 'acquiesced' to or skirted around.
> > >>
> > >> Andrea
> > >>
> >
>
>
Date: 11/17/23 2:18 pm From: Marvin Elliott <marvelliott61...> Subject: Re: [VTBIRD] Name change for Christmas Bird Count?
I like the present count name but do see the point of having an Audubon
event be all inclusive. I am a long time Audubon member and although
Audubon has some shortcomings its contributions to preserve and protect the
habitat of birds far outweigh any inconveniences. When thinking of National
Audubon I am always reminded of the time when the oil well was spewing
thousands of gallons of oil into the Gulf. Audubon mounted a
phenomenal number of volunteers to wash and clean birds coated with oil
that would surely have died without help. I hope we can see both sides of
this issue and recommend we make it the Audubon Winter Bird Count. Audubon
has been keeping this count alive for a good many years.
Marv Elliott
On Fri, Nov 17, 2023 at 11:39 AM Ken Copenhaver <copenhvr...> wrote:
> I would be interested to know if any state Audubons have changed their
> names. I believe some are more independent of National Audubon than others.
> Some larger chapters (Seattle, Portland, Chicago, Golden Gate) have new
> names. Probably some smaller ones have too that haven't made the news.
>
> Ken Copenhaver
>
> On Fri, Nov 17, 2023 at 9:06 AM <kj813...> <
> <0000002d57029402-dmarc-request...> wrote:
>
> > Agree about changing to Winter Bird Count - less religious, more global,
> > and simply respectful.
> > Submitting our citizen science data and engaging in the wonderful act of
> > birding is the point -- that can continue with VTBird, Ebird, Merlin,
> etc.
> > To Ken's point, I have been reading that some state and city entities
> with
> > Audubon in their name have been making a name change. Not sure what it
> > would entail or who would lead such an effort but note it is happening
> > elsewhere. Best, Kay
> > On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 10:45:28 AM EST, alison wagner <
> > <alikatofvt...> wrote:
> >
> > plus the count is now an international event...Winter Bird Count works
> > for the northern hemisphere!
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Ken Copenhaver" <copenhvr...>
> > To: "Vermont Birds" <VTBIRD...>
> > Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2023 10:41:55 AM
> > Subject: Re: [VTBIRD] Name change for Christmas Bird Count?
> >
> > As I understand it, Audubon Vermont is owned by National Audubon, and its
> > employees are paid by National Audubon. They therefore have no ability to
> > change their name, and I wouldn't expect that they would take a stand on
> > the Christmas Bird Count name. On the other hand, the local "Audubon"
> > chapters (just like the "CBC" circles) are independent and can name
> > themselves anything they want.
> >
> > Ken Copenhaver
> >
> > On Thu, Nov 16, 2023 at 9:52 AM Jim Phillips <jim...>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Surely the Vermont Avian Society would be open to entertaining these
> > ideas.
> > >
> > > On 11/16/2023 9:21 AM, Meredith Barges wrote:
> > > > This is an important effort that I wholeheartedly support. It's on
> > topic
> > > > for the National Audubon Society. At their recent Audubon Leadership
> > > > Conference in Colorado (Nov 2-5), they showed a real commitment to
> > > promote
> > > > inclusivity in their topics and participants, to widen the birding
> and
> > > bird
> > > > conservation community, to be more representative of the America we
> > live
> > > in
> > > > and the world that we live in.
> > > >
> > > > I think that this name change proposal would get real attention from
> > > them.
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Nov 16, 2023, 8:56 AM Andrea Landsberg <
> <olokaandrea...>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> I have to admit I was taken aback by the name when I first became
> > aware
> > > of
> > > >> this great tradition about 6 years ago. But not surprised really as
> we
> > > all
> > > >> know NAS is not at the forefront of cultural awareness...
> > > >>
> > > >> Yes, we can all just rename our local counts. But that still
> doesn't
> > > feel
> > > >> right. It seems this is 'tacit' approval as we continue to support
> > the
> > > >> Audubon CBC effort (I know, I know - the data is uber important!)
> > > >>
> > > >> I don't know if anyone from Audubon Vermont is on the list serve?
> > Maybe
> > > >> we can approach them and see if they might work with the VT birding
> > > >> community on this. Or at least get all of the local chapters on
> board
> > > and
> > > >> then go to state organization - and get media involved! I wonder if
> > we
> > > can
> > > >> enlist Cornell Lab as I have to believe they would also want to
> change
> > > the
> > > >> name?
> > > >>
> > > >> We shouldn't give up trying! Starting this global revolution from
> our
> > > >> brave little state seems appropriate.
> > > >>
> > > >> Thanks Teage for speaking up about something we all obviously have
> > been
> > > >> troubled by but simply 'acquiesced' to or skirted around.
> > > >>
> > > >> Andrea
> > > >>
> > >
> >
> >
>
Date: 11/17/23 1:31 pm From: Sally Laughlin <sblaughlininvt...> Subject: Re: [VTBIRD] How about ---The Great End of Year Bird Count!
What about *Winter Solstice Bird Count* - which would align it correctly
with the Season, differentiate it from other winter bird counts, and be
stating a fact about the movement of the earth around our sun? (might
offend some flat earth folks, but they are unlikely to be taking part in a
bird census).
My two cents, to a good discussion. Sally Laughlin
****************************
*Sally Laughlin*
*Cambridge VT *
*<sblaughlininvt...> <sblaughlininvt...>*
***************************
On Fri, Nov 17, 2023 at 3:28 PM Ian Worley <iworley...> wrote:
Date: 11/17/23 9:57 am From: Meredith Barges <meredith.barges...> Subject: Re: [VTBIRD] Name change for Christmas Bird Count?
Thank you, Jared, for sharing that. It's an important reminder for us all
that not everyone who participates in the CBC are Christian or observe
Christmas. We should want to encourage more people to join the count.
The history behind the annual count is interesting. In the nascent days of
the conservation movement, people used to spend the Christmas holiday
competitively hunting birds, so conservationists devised count as a way to
shift people's behaviors from shooting birds to counting birds. So, the
count's origins have nothing to do with the Christmas holiday itself. And
it's good to consider that the New Testament says nothing about marking the
Christ child's birth by shooting birds or counting birds.
So, a name that's more inclusive and more accurate seems like the way to go.
More on the CBC history here --
www.audubon.org/conservation/science/christmas-bird-count/history-christmas-bird-count#:~:text=Prior%20to%20the%20turn%20of,(and%20furred)%20quarry%20won
.
--
*Meredith Barges *
*Urban Bird Conservationist &*
*Public Policy Advocate*
Co-author, Building Safer Cities for Birds (American Bird Conservancy &
Yale Law School, 2023)
<https://law.yale.edu/sites/default/files/documents/pdf/building_safer_cities_for_birds.pdf> Yale University Law, Ethics & Animals Program Grant (2022)
Certificate of Outstanding Recognition in Sustainability, Yale University
(2023)
On Fri, Nov 17, 2023, 12:18 PM Jared Katz <
<000003825c43bc1a-dmarc-request...> wrote:
> Well, Christmas Tree refers specifically to a tree associated with the
> celebration of that religious holiday, whereas the bird count is associated
> with a season in which several religions celebrate. A clear difference.
> Notwithstanding the thread of the current discussion the naming of the
> count has always seemed troublesome to be because it’s inaccurate. I’m not
> sure that I’ve ever seen a count date listed as the 25th.
>
> I am a Jew, and I grew up with a Christmas tree, not a Chanukah bush,
> which we decorated (complete with Star of David on top) and displayed for
> Christmas. It was not for winter. I, personally, have no religious qualms
> with the CBC name. I only question its accuracy in describing the count.
>
> Winter bird count would certainly be a more accurate representation of
> when counts occur - obviously, on more than one day - religion and
> “political correctness” aside.
>
> Jared Katz
>
> Sent from my irresistible flat thing.
>
> > On Nov 17, 2023, at 08:55, L Kulas <
> <0000048acbee2c0c-dmarc-request...> wrote:
> >
> > It is too bad that political correctness and divisive politics is
> taking over the birding conversation. In the face of so much sadness in the
> world why worry about the "correct" wording of the CBC. Next will it be
> "winter tree"?
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Nov 17, 2023, at 6:20 AM, <cgbbill...> wrote:
> >>
> >> Thank you, Zac!
> >>
> >> Long ago, I used to contribute my $5 to the CBC for my participation,
> and
> >> when that requirement sunsetted, I donated regularly to both the CBC and
> >> the sponsoring organization. Ignorance is bliss, but events of the last
> >> year changed that, so just yesterday, I returned my envelope to the
> >> sponsoring organization, empty of any donation but with a written
> request
> >> to remove my name from their solicitation list. The "lack of ...
> willpower"
> >> at the national leadership level means I will no longer contribute to
> them.
> >> There are other worthy national (and local) birding organizations that
> can
> >> use the money instead of one that won't do the right thing.
> >>
> >>> On Thu, Nov 16, 2023 at 7:50 AM Zacheriah Cota-Weaver <
> <zcotaweaver...>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Teage,
> >>>
> >>> As the founding compiler of the Hunger Mountain count, I made the
> >>> unilateral decision last year to rename and rebrand the count as the
> Winter
> >>> Bird Count in the absence of guidance from the sponsoring organization.
> >>> I've also removed the name of the sponsoring organization from
> promotional
> >>> material due to the national organizations failure to change their name
> >>> last year. The count is still run as part of the NAS effort and the
> data is
> >>> submitted the same as always. Unfortunately the seeming lack of
> progress
> >>> willpower at the top of NAS means that it will be up to leaders at the
> >>> local level to make these changes.
> >>>
> >>> Zac
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, Nov 15, 2023 at 7:42 AM Teage O'Connor <badger.meli...>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> I have no idea what the process for this would be on a state level as
> I
> >>>> know this is tied in with a much larger multi-continent effort to
> count
> >>>> birds every year around the same time, but I think it would be an
> >>> important
> >>>> step towards making the event more inclusive to change the name of the
> >>> CBC
> >>>> to something secular - Winter Bird Count? I am not sure how the name
> >>>> actually impacts participation numbers for the event, but speaking for
> >>>> myself (and reflecting what I've heard others note over the years),
> this
> >>> is
> >>>> just another case where as a Jew I feel slightly on the outside in a
> >>> space
> >>>> that should be secular. I'll still be participating counting the
> crows in
> >>>> Burlington, but just wanted to add my thoughts here.
> >>>>
> >>>> Here's a well articulated post on the topic:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> https://www.10000birds.com/should-we-take-the-christmas-out-of-the-christmas-bird-count.htm > >>>>
> >>>> Teage O'Connor (he/him)
> >>>> CrowsPath.org <https://crowspath.org/> > >>>>
> >>>> *Wild Burlington natural history newsletter*
> >>>> - https://crowspath.org/newsletter > >>>> *Natural History field guides*
> >>>> - https://crowspath.org/field-guides > >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Zacheriah (Zac) Cota-Weaver
> >>> 32 University Lane, Apt #106
> >>> Colchester, VT 05446
> >>> (802) 696-8613 cell
> >>> <zcotaweaver...>
> >>>
>
Date: 11/17/23 9:47 am From: Larry Morin <lmorin...> Subject: Re: [VTBIRD] Name change for Christmas Bird Count?
For what it is worth, the Christmas Bird Count officially occurs each year
during a 23 day window, Dec. 14 to Jan. 5. The center of that window is
Dec. 25, the day of a national holiday in the US known as "Christmas." The
interval itself is not a "winter interval" as winter arrives with the
winter solstice on Dec. 21, 2023, a week after the start of the Christmas
Count window.
Larry
On Fri, Nov 17, 2023 at 12:19 PM Jared Katz <
<000003825c43bc1a-dmarc-request...> wrote:
> Well, Christmas Tree refers specifically to a tree associated with the
> celebration of that religious holiday, whereas the bird count is associated
> with a season in which several religions celebrate. A clear difference.
> Notwithstanding the thread of the current discussion the naming of the
> count has always seemed troublesome to be because it’s inaccurate. I’m not
> sure that I’ve ever seen a count date listed as the 25th.
>
> I am a Jew, and I grew up with a Christmas tree, not a Chanukah bush,
> which we decorated (complete with Star of David on top) and displayed for
> Christmas. It was not for winter. I, personally, have no religious qualms
> with the CBC name. I only question its accuracy in describing the count.
>
> Winter bird count would certainly be a more accurate representation of
> when counts occur - obviously, on more than one day - religion and
> “political correctness” aside.
>
> Jared Katz
>
> Sent from my irresistible flat thing.
>
> > On Nov 17, 2023, at 08:55, L Kulas <
> <0000048acbee2c0c-dmarc-request...> wrote:
> >
> > It is too bad that political correctness and divisive politics is
> taking over the birding conversation. In the face of so much sadness in the
> world why worry about the "correct" wording of the CBC. Next will it be
> "winter tree"?
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Nov 17, 2023, at 6:20 AM, <cgbbill...> wrote:
> >>
> >> Thank you, Zac!
> >>
> >> Long ago, I used to contribute my $5 to the CBC for my participation,
> and
> >> when that requirement sunsetted, I donated regularly to both the CBC and
> >> the sponsoring organization. Ignorance is bliss, but events of the last
> >> year changed that, so just yesterday, I returned my envelope to the
> >> sponsoring organization, empty of any donation but with a written
> request
> >> to remove my name from their solicitation list. The "lack of ...
> willpower"
> >> at the national leadership level means I will no longer contribute to
> them.
> >> There are other worthy national (and local) birding organizations that
> can
> >> use the money instead of one that won't do the right thing.
> >>
> >>> On Thu, Nov 16, 2023 at 7:50 AM Zacheriah Cota-Weaver <
> <zcotaweaver...>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Teage,
> >>>
> >>> As the founding compiler of the Hunger Mountain count, I made the
> >>> unilateral decision last year to rename and rebrand the count as the
> Winter
> >>> Bird Count in the absence of guidance from the sponsoring organization.
> >>> I've also removed the name of the sponsoring organization from
> promotional
> >>> material due to the national organizations failure to change their name
> >>> last year. The count is still run as part of the NAS effort and the
> data is
> >>> submitted the same as always. Unfortunately the seeming lack of
> progress
> >>> willpower at the top of NAS means that it will be up to leaders at the
> >>> local level to make these changes.
> >>>
> >>> Zac
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, Nov 15, 2023 at 7:42 AM Teage O'Connor <badger.meli...>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> I have no idea what the process for this would be on a state level as
> I
> >>>> know this is tied in with a much larger multi-continent effort to
> count
> >>>> birds every year around the same time, but I think it would be an
> >>> important
> >>>> step towards making the event more inclusive to change the name of the
> >>> CBC
> >>>> to something secular - Winter Bird Count? I am not sure how the name
> >>>> actually impacts participation numbers for the event, but speaking for
> >>>> myself (and reflecting what I've heard others note over the years),
> this
> >>> is
> >>>> just another case where as a Jew I feel slightly on the outside in a
> >>> space
> >>>> that should be secular. I'll still be participating counting the
> crows in
> >>>> Burlington, but just wanted to add my thoughts here.
> >>>>
> >>>> Here's a well articulated post on the topic:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> https://www.10000birds.com/should-we-take-the-christmas-out-of-the-christmas-bird-count.htm > >>>>
> >>>> Teage O'Connor (he/him)
> >>>> CrowsPath.org <https://crowspath.org/> > >>>>
> >>>> *Wild Burlington natural history newsletter*
> >>>> - https://crowspath.org/newsletter > >>>> *Natural History field guides*
> >>>> - https://crowspath.org/field-guides > >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Zacheriah (Zac) Cota-Weaver
> >>> 32 University Lane, Apt #106
> >>> Colchester, VT 05446
> >>> (802) 696-8613 cell
> >>> <zcotaweaver...>
> >>>
>
Date: 11/17/23 9:19 am From: Jared Katz <000003825c43bc1a-dmarc-request...> Subject: Re: [VTBIRD] Name change for Christmas Bird Count?
Well, Christmas Tree refers specifically to a tree associated with the celebration of that religious holiday, whereas the bird count is associated with a season in which several religions celebrate. A clear difference. Notwithstanding the thread of the current discussion the naming of the count has always seemed troublesome to be because it’s inaccurate. I’m not sure that I’ve ever seen a count date listed as the 25th.
I am a Jew, and I grew up with a Christmas tree, not a Chanukah bush, which we decorated (complete with Star of David on top) and displayed for Christmas. It was not for winter. I, personally, have no religious qualms with the CBC name. I only question its accuracy in describing the count.
Winter bird count would certainly be a more accurate representation of when counts occur - obviously, on more than one day - religion and “political correctness” aside.
Jared Katz
Sent from my irresistible flat thing.
> On Nov 17, 2023, at 08:55, L Kulas <0000048acbee2c0c-dmarc-request...> wrote:
>
> It is too bad that political correctness and divisive politics is taking over the birding conversation. In the face of so much sadness in the world why worry about the "correct" wording of the CBC. Next will it be "winter tree"?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Nov 17, 2023, at 6:20 AM, <cgbbill...> wrote:
>>
>> Thank you, Zac!
>>
>> Long ago, I used to contribute my $5 to the CBC for my participation, and
>> when that requirement sunsetted, I donated regularly to both the CBC and
>> the sponsoring organization. Ignorance is bliss, but events of the last
>> year changed that, so just yesterday, I returned my envelope to the
>> sponsoring organization, empty of any donation but with a written request
>> to remove my name from their solicitation list. The "lack of ... willpower"
>> at the national leadership level means I will no longer contribute to them.
>> There are other worthy national (and local) birding organizations that can
>> use the money instead of one that won't do the right thing.
>>
>>> On Thu, Nov 16, 2023 at 7:50 AM Zacheriah Cota-Weaver <zcotaweaver...>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Teage,
>>>
>>> As the founding compiler of the Hunger Mountain count, I made the
>>> unilateral decision last year to rename and rebrand the count as the Winter
>>> Bird Count in the absence of guidance from the sponsoring organization.
>>> I've also removed the name of the sponsoring organization from promotional
>>> material due to the national organizations failure to change their name
>>> last year. The count is still run as part of the NAS effort and the data is
>>> submitted the same as always. Unfortunately the seeming lack of progress
>>> willpower at the top of NAS means that it will be up to leaders at the
>>> local level to make these changes.
>>>
>>> Zac
>>>
>>> On Wed, Nov 15, 2023 at 7:42 AM Teage O'Connor <badger.meli...>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have no idea what the process for this would be on a state level as I
>>>> know this is tied in with a much larger multi-continent effort to count
>>>> birds every year around the same time, but I think it would be an
>>> important
>>>> step towards making the event more inclusive to change the name of the
>>> CBC
>>>> to something secular - Winter Bird Count? I am not sure how the name
>>>> actually impacts participation numbers for the event, but speaking for
>>>> myself (and reflecting what I've heard others note over the years), this
>>> is
>>>> just another case where as a Jew I feel slightly on the outside in a
>>> space
>>>> that should be secular. I'll still be participating counting the crows in
>>>> Burlington, but just wanted to add my thoughts here.
>>>>
>>>> Here's a well articulated post on the topic:
>>>>
>>>>
>>> https://www.10000birds.com/should-we-take-the-christmas-out-of-the-christmas-bird-count.htm >>>>
>>>> Teage O'Connor (he/him)
>>>> CrowsPath.org <https://crowspath.org/> >>>>
>>>> *Wild Burlington natural history newsletter*
>>>> - https://crowspath.org/newsletter >>>> *Natural History field guides*
>>>> - https://crowspath.org/field-guides >>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Zacheriah (Zac) Cota-Weaver
>>> 32 University Lane, Apt #106
>>> Colchester, VT 05446
>>> (802) 696-8613 cell
>>> <zcotaweaver...>
>>>
Date: 11/17/23 8:40 am From: Ken Copenhaver <copenhvr...> Subject: Re: [VTBIRD] Name change for Christmas Bird Count?
I would be interested to know if any state Audubons have changed their
names. I believe some are more independent of National Audubon than others.
Some larger chapters (Seattle, Portland, Chicago, Golden Gate) have new
names. Probably some smaller ones have too that haven't made the news.
Ken Copenhaver
On Fri, Nov 17, 2023 at 9:06 AM <kj813...> <
<0000002d57029402-dmarc-request...> wrote:
> Agree about changing to Winter Bird Count - less religious, more global,
> and simply respectful.
> Submitting our citizen science data and engaging in the wonderful act of
> birding is the point -- that can continue with VTBird, Ebird, Merlin, etc.
> To Ken's point, I have been reading that some state and city entities with
> Audubon in their name have been making a name change. Not sure what it
> would entail or who would lead such an effort but note it is happening
> elsewhere. Best, Kay
> On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 10:45:28 AM EST, alison wagner <
> <alikatofvt...> wrote:
>
> plus the count is now an international event...Winter Bird Count works
> for the northern hemisphere!
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ken Copenhaver" <copenhvr...>
> To: "Vermont Birds" <VTBIRD...>
> Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2023 10:41:55 AM
> Subject: Re: [VTBIRD] Name change for Christmas Bird Count?
>
> As I understand it, Audubon Vermont is owned by National Audubon, and its
> employees are paid by National Audubon. They therefore have no ability to
> change their name, and I wouldn't expect that they would take a stand on
> the Christmas Bird Count name. On the other hand, the local "Audubon"
> chapters (just like the "CBC" circles) are independent and can name
> themselves anything they want.
>
> Ken Copenhaver
>
> On Thu, Nov 16, 2023 at 9:52 AM Jim Phillips <jim...> wrote:
>
> > Surely the Vermont Avian Society would be open to entertaining these
> ideas.
> >
> > On 11/16/2023 9:21 AM, Meredith Barges wrote:
> > > This is an important effort that I wholeheartedly support. It's on
> topic
> > > for the National Audubon Society. At their recent Audubon Leadership
> > > Conference in Colorado (Nov 2-5), they showed a real commitment to
> > promote
> > > inclusivity in their topics and participants, to widen the birding and
> > bird
> > > conservation community, to be more representative of the America we
> live
> > in
> > > and the world that we live in.
> > >
> > > I think that this name change proposal would get real attention from
> > them.
> > >
> > > On Thu, Nov 16, 2023, 8:56 AM Andrea Landsberg <olokaandrea...>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> I have to admit I was taken aback by the name when I first became
> aware
> > of
> > >> this great tradition about 6 years ago. But not surprised really as we
> > all
> > >> know NAS is not at the forefront of cultural awareness...
> > >>
> > >> Yes, we can all just rename our local counts. But that still doesn't
> > feel
> > >> right. It seems this is 'tacit' approval as we continue to support
> the
> > >> Audubon CBC effort (I know, I know - the data is uber important!)
> > >>
> > >> I don't know if anyone from Audubon Vermont is on the list serve?
> Maybe
> > >> we can approach them and see if they might work with the VT birding
> > >> community on this. Or at least get all of the local chapters on board
> > and
> > >> then go to state organization - and get media involved! I wonder if
> we
> > can
> > >> enlist Cornell Lab as I have to believe they would also want to change
> > the
> > >> name?
> > >>
> > >> We shouldn't give up trying! Starting this global revolution from our
> > >> brave little state seems appropriate.
> > >>
> > >> Thanks Teage for speaking up about something we all obviously have
> been
> > >> troubled by but simply 'acquiesced' to or skirted around.
> > >>
> > >> Andrea
> > >>
> >
>
>
Date: 11/17/23 7:32 am From: Kent McFarland <kmcfarland...> Subject: [VTBIRD] eBird Vermont Status and Trends updated
Thank you to everyone that adds complete checklists to eBird Vermont and in other locations too. This allows us to have amazing results like the updated status and trends for eBird data that just came out. When I started eBird Vermont 20 years ago I wanted us to be able to track range and phenology changes and just maybe...population trends. Thanks to all of you collecting data, our data experts reviewing our submissions, and of course the entire eBird Team...here we are... incredible! Read all about the additional data and tools that have just been released on the eBird Vermont blog post - https://ebird.org/vt/news/new-data-and-tools-for-ebird-status-and-trends.
Thanks for eBirding! Kent
ps. Now let's do this with butterflies folks! e-Butterfly.org is your place! Smart phone App coming soon! ____________________________
Kent McFarland (he/him) Vermont Center for Ecostudies PO Box 420 | Norwich, Vermont 05055
Date: 11/17/23 7:19 am From: Charlie Teske <cteske140...> Subject: Re: [VTBIRD] Name change for Christmas Bird Count?
If we don't do something quickly about the changing climate we will soon be trying to remember what winter and snow were like. Imagine the "non-hispanic, white goose!
On Fri, 17 Nov 2023 08:55:20 -0500, L Kulas <0000048acbee2c0c-dmarc-request...> wrote:
It is too bad that political correctness and divisive politics is taking over the birding conversation. In the face of so much sadness in the world why worry about the "correct" wording of the CBC. Next will it be "winter tree"?
Sent from my iPhone
> On Nov 17, 2023, at 6:20 AM, <cgbbill...> wrote:
>
> Thank you, Zac!
>
> Long ago, I used to contribute my $5 to the CBC for my participation, and
> when that requirement sunsetted, I donated regularly to both the CBC and
> the sponsoring organization. Ignorance is bliss, but events of the last
> year changed that, so just yesterday, I returned my envelope to the
> sponsoring organization, empty of any donation but with a written request
> to remove my name from their solicitation list. The "lack of ... willpower"
> at the national leadership level means I will no longer contribute to them.
> There are other worthy national (and local) birding organizations that can
> use the money instead of one that won't do the right thing.
>
>> On Thu, Nov 16, 2023 at 7:50 AM Zacheriah Cota-Weaver
>> wrote:
>>
>> Teage,
>>
>> As the founding compiler of the Hunger Mountain count, I made the
>> unilateral decision last year to rename and rebrand the count as the Winter
>> Bird Count in the absence of guidance from the sponsoring organization.
>> I've also removed the name of the sponsoring organization from promotional
>> material due to the national organizations failure to change their name
>> last year. The count is still run as part of the NAS effort and the data is
>> submitted the same as always. Unfortunately the seeming lack of progress
>> willpower at the top of NAS means that it will be up to leaders at the
>> local level to make these changes.
>>
>> Zac
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 15, 2023 at 7:42 AM Teage O'Connor
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I have no idea what the process for this would be on a state level as I
>>> know this is tied in with a much larger multi-continent effort to count
>>> birds every year around the same time, but I think it would be an
>> important
>>> step towards making the event more inclusive to change the name of the
>> CBC
>>> to something secular - Winter Bird Count? I am not sure how the name
>>> actually impacts participation numbers for the event, but speaking for
>>> myself (and reflecting what I've heard others note over the years), this
>> is
>>> just another case where as a Jew I feel slightly on the outside in a
>> space
>>> that should be secular. I'll still be participating counting the crows in
>>> Burlington, but just wanted to add my thoughts here.
>>>
>>> Here's a well articulated post on the topic:
>>>
>>>
>> https://www.10000birds.com/should-we-take-the-christmas-out-of-the-christmas-bird-count.htm >>>
>>> Teage O'Connor (he/him)
>>> CrowsPath.org
>>>
>>> *Wild Burlington natural history newsletter*
>>> - https://crowspath.org/newsletter >>> *Natural History field guides*
>>> - https://crowspath.org/field-guides >>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Zacheriah (Zac) Cota-Weaver
>> 32 University Lane, Apt #106
>> Colchester, VT 05446
>> (802) 696-8613 cell
>> <zcotaweaver...>
>>
Date: 11/17/23 6:06 am From: <kj813...> <0000002d57029402-dmarc-request...> Subject: Re: [VTBIRD] Name change for Christmas Bird Count?
Agree about changing to Winter Bird Count - less religious, more global, and simply respectful.
Submitting our citizen science data and engaging in the wonderful act of birding is the point -- that can continue with VTBird, Ebird, Merlin, etc.
To Ken's point, I have been reading that some state and city entities with Audubon in their name have been making a name change. Not sure what it would entail or who would lead such an effort but note it is happening elsewhere. Best, Kay
On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 10:45:28 AM EST, alison wagner <alikatofvt...> wrote:
plus the count is now an international event...Winter Bird Count works for the northern hemisphere!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken Copenhaver" <copenhvr...>
To: "Vermont Birds" <VTBIRD...>
Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2023 10:41:55 AM
Subject: Re: [VTBIRD] Name change for Christmas Bird Count?
As I understand it, Audubon Vermont is owned by National Audubon, and its
employees are paid by National Audubon. They therefore have no ability to
change their name, and I wouldn't expect that they would take a stand on
the Christmas Bird Count name. On the other hand, the local "Audubon"
chapters (just like the "CBC" circles) are independent and can name
themselves anything they want.
Ken Copenhaver
On Thu, Nov 16, 2023 at 9:52 AM Jim Phillips <jim...> wrote:
> Surely the Vermont Avian Society would be open to entertaining these ideas.
>
> On 11/16/2023 9:21 AM, Meredith Barges wrote:
> > This is an important effort that I wholeheartedly support. It's on topic
> > for the National Audubon Society. At their recent Audubon Leadership
> > Conference in Colorado (Nov 2-5), they showed a real commitment to
> promote
> > inclusivity in their topics and participants, to widen the birding and
> bird
> > conservation community, to be more representative of the America we live
> in
> > and the world that we live in.
> >
> > I think that this name change proposal would get real attention from
> them.
> >
> > On Thu, Nov 16, 2023, 8:56 AM Andrea Landsberg <olokaandrea...>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> I have to admit I was taken aback by the name when I first became aware
> of
> >> this great tradition about 6 years ago. But not surprised really as we
> all
> >> know NAS is not at the forefront of cultural awareness...
> >>
> >> Yes, we can all just rename our local counts. But that still doesn't
> feel
> >> right. It seems this is 'tacit' approval as we continue to support the
> >> Audubon CBC effort (I know, I know - the data is uber important!)
> >>
> >> I don't know if anyone from Audubon Vermont is on the list serve? Maybe
> >> we can approach them and see if they might work with the VT birding
> >> community on this. Or at least get all of the local chapters on board
> and
> >> then go to state organization - and get media involved! I wonder if we
> can
> >> enlist Cornell Lab as I have to believe they would also want to change
> the
> >> name?
> >>
> >> We shouldn't give up trying! Starting this global revolution from our
> >> brave little state seems appropriate.
> >>
> >> Thanks Teage for speaking up about something we all obviously have been
> >> troubled by but simply 'acquiesced' to or skirted around.
> >>
> >> Andrea
> >>
>
Date: 11/17/23 5:56 am From: L Kulas <0000048acbee2c0c-dmarc-request...> Subject: Re: [VTBIRD] Name change for Christmas Bird Count?
It is too bad that political correctness and divisive politics is taking over the birding conversation. In the face of so much sadness in the world why worry about the "correct" wording of the CBC. Next will it be "winter tree"?
Sent from my iPhone
> On Nov 17, 2023, at 6:20 AM, <cgbbill...> wrote:
>
> Thank you, Zac!
>
> Long ago, I used to contribute my $5 to the CBC for my participation, and
> when that requirement sunsetted, I donated regularly to both the CBC and
> the sponsoring organization. Ignorance is bliss, but events of the last
> year changed that, so just yesterday, I returned my envelope to the
> sponsoring organization, empty of any donation but with a written request
> to remove my name from their solicitation list. The "lack of ... willpower"
> at the national leadership level means I will no longer contribute to them.
> There are other worthy national (and local) birding organizations that can
> use the money instead of one that won't do the right thing.
>
>> On Thu, Nov 16, 2023 at 7:50 AM Zacheriah Cota-Weaver <zcotaweaver...>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Teage,
>>
>> As the founding compiler of the Hunger Mountain count, I made the
>> unilateral decision last year to rename and rebrand the count as the Winter
>> Bird Count in the absence of guidance from the sponsoring organization.
>> I've also removed the name of the sponsoring organization from promotional
>> material due to the national organizations failure to change their name
>> last year. The count is still run as part of the NAS effort and the data is
>> submitted the same as always. Unfortunately the seeming lack of progress
>> willpower at the top of NAS means that it will be up to leaders at the
>> local level to make these changes.
>>
>> Zac
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 15, 2023 at 7:42 AM Teage O'Connor <badger.meli...>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I have no idea what the process for this would be on a state level as I
>>> know this is tied in with a much larger multi-continent effort to count
>>> birds every year around the same time, but I think it would be an
>> important
>>> step towards making the event more inclusive to change the name of the
>> CBC
>>> to something secular - Winter Bird Count? I am not sure how the name
>>> actually impacts participation numbers for the event, but speaking for
>>> myself (and reflecting what I've heard others note over the years), this
>> is
>>> just another case where as a Jew I feel slightly on the outside in a
>> space
>>> that should be secular. I'll still be participating counting the crows in
>>> Burlington, but just wanted to add my thoughts here.
>>>
>>> Here's a well articulated post on the topic:
>>>
>>>
>> https://www.10000birds.com/should-we-take-the-christmas-out-of-the-christmas-bird-count.htm >>>
>>> Teage O'Connor (he/him)
>>> CrowsPath.org <https://crowspath.org/> >>>
>>> *Wild Burlington natural history newsletter*
>>> - https://crowspath.org/newsletter >>> *Natural History field guides*
>>> - https://crowspath.org/field-guides >>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Zacheriah (Zac) Cota-Weaver
>> 32 University Lane, Apt #106
>> Colchester, VT 05446
>> (802) 696-8613 cell
>> <zcotaweaver...>
>>
Hi Bruce - Ah, I just had on my Bosque del Apache Refuge shirt yesterday -- from 2003, the 100th anniversary of NWR.It has a lovely image of a crane on it.
I've been three times to see the thousands of cranes and snow geese at Bosque del Apache Refuge. Wish I had planned to go this year. Thanks for reminder of a wonderful place to bird. Kay
On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 07:44:06 PM EST, <bmacphe...> <00000017afe5cb7a-dmarc-request...> wrote:
They are late leaving, but they've still got time. The Festival of the Cranes at the Bosque del Apache Refuge in New Mexico doesn't start until Dec. 6.
Bruce MacPhersonSouth Burlington
On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 07:31:11 PM EST, Jared Katz <000003825c43bc1a-dmarc-request...> wrote:
The majestic wonders are still in the corn stubble off St. Pierre Rd as of midday today.
Date: 11/17/23 3:23 am From: <cgbbill...> <cgbbill...> Subject: Re: [VTBIRD] Name change for Christmas Bird Count?
forgot to sign my name on previous post -
Charlotte Bill
Enosburgh
On Fri, Nov 17, 2023 at 6:19 AM <cgbbill...> <cgbbill...> wrote:
> Thank you, Zac!
>
> Long ago, I used to contribute my $5 to the CBC for my participation, and
> when that requirement sunsetted, I donated regularly to both the CBC and
> the sponsoring organization. Ignorance is bliss, but events of the last
> year changed that, so just yesterday, I returned my envelope to the
> sponsoring organization, empty of any donation but with a written request
> to remove my name from their solicitation list. The "lack of ... willpower"
> at the national leadership level means I will no longer contribute to them.
> There are other worthy national (and local) birding organizations that can
> use the money instead of one that won't do the right thing.
>
> On Thu, Nov 16, 2023 at 7:50 AM Zacheriah Cota-Weaver <
> <zcotaweaver...> wrote:
>
>> Teage,
>>
>> As the founding compiler of the Hunger Mountain count, I made the
>> unilateral decision last year to rename and rebrand the count as the
>> Winter
>> Bird Count in the absence of guidance from the sponsoring organization.
>> I've also removed the name of the sponsoring organization from promotional
>> material due to the national organizations failure to change their name
>> last year. The count is still run as part of the NAS effort and the data
>> is
>> submitted the same as always. Unfortunately the seeming lack of progress
>> willpower at the top of NAS means that it will be up to leaders at the
>> local level to make these changes.
>>
>> Zac
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 15, 2023 at 7:42 AM Teage O'Connor <badger.meli...>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > I have no idea what the process for this would be on a state level as I
>> > know this is tied in with a much larger multi-continent effort to count
>> > birds every year around the same time, but I think it would be an
>> important
>> > step towards making the event more inclusive to change the name of the
>> CBC
>> > to something secular - Winter Bird Count? I am not sure how the name
>> > actually impacts participation numbers for the event, but speaking for
>> > myself (and reflecting what I've heard others note over the years),
>> this is
>> > just another case where as a Jew I feel slightly on the outside in a
>> space
>> > that should be secular. I'll still be participating counting the crows
>> in
>> > Burlington, but just wanted to add my thoughts here.
>> >
>> > Here's a well articulated post on the topic:
>> >
>> >
>> https://www.10000birds.com/should-we-take-the-christmas-out-of-the-christmas-bird-count.htm >> >
>> > Teage O'Connor (he/him)
>> > CrowsPath.org <https://crowspath.org/> >> >
>> > *Wild Burlington natural history newsletter*
>> > - https://crowspath.org/newsletter >> > *Natural History field guides*
>> > - https://crowspath.org/field-guides >> >
>>
>>
>> --
>> Zacheriah (Zac) Cota-Weaver
>> 32 University Lane, Apt #106
>> Colchester, VT 05446
>> (802) 696-8613 cell
>> <zcotaweaver...>
>>
>
Date: 11/17/23 3:21 am From: <cgbbill...> <cgbbill...> Subject: Re: [VTBIRD] Name change for Christmas Bird Count?
Thank you, Zac!
Long ago, I used to contribute my $5 to the CBC for my participation, and
when that requirement sunsetted, I donated regularly to both the CBC and
the sponsoring organization. Ignorance is bliss, but events of the last
year changed that, so just yesterday, I returned my envelope to the
sponsoring organization, empty of any donation but with a written request
to remove my name from their solicitation list. The "lack of ... willpower"
at the national leadership level means I will no longer contribute to them.
There are other worthy national (and local) birding organizations that can
use the money instead of one that won't do the right thing.
On Thu, Nov 16, 2023 at 7:50 AM Zacheriah Cota-Weaver <zcotaweaver...>
wrote:
> Teage,
>
> As the founding compiler of the Hunger Mountain count, I made the
> unilateral decision last year to rename and rebrand the count as the Winter
> Bird Count in the absence of guidance from the sponsoring organization.
> I've also removed the name of the sponsoring organization from promotional
> material due to the national organizations failure to change their name
> last year. The count is still run as part of the NAS effort and the data is
> submitted the same as always. Unfortunately the seeming lack of progress
> willpower at the top of NAS means that it will be up to leaders at the
> local level to make these changes.
>
> Zac
>
> On Wed, Nov 15, 2023 at 7:42 AM Teage O'Connor <badger.meli...>
> wrote:
>
> > I have no idea what the process for this would be on a state level as I
> > know this is tied in with a much larger multi-continent effort to count
> > birds every year around the same time, but I think it would be an
> important
> > step towards making the event more inclusive to change the name of the
> CBC
> > to something secular - Winter Bird Count? I am not sure how the name
> > actually impacts participation numbers for the event, but speaking for
> > myself (and reflecting what I've heard others note over the years), this
> is
> > just another case where as a Jew I feel slightly on the outside in a
> space
> > that should be secular. I'll still be participating counting the crows in
> > Burlington, but just wanted to add my thoughts here.
> >
> > Here's a well articulated post on the topic:
> >
> >
> https://www.10000birds.com/should-we-take-the-christmas-out-of-the-christmas-bird-count.htm > >
> > Teage O'Connor (he/him)
> > CrowsPath.org <https://crowspath.org/> > >
> > *Wild Burlington natural history newsletter*
> > - https://crowspath.org/newsletter > > *Natural History field guides*
> > - https://crowspath.org/field-guides > >
>
>
> --
> Zacheriah (Zac) Cota-Weaver
> 32 University Lane, Apt #106
> Colchester, VT 05446
> (802) 696-8613 cell
> <zcotaweaver...>
>
They are late leaving, but they've still got time. The Festival of the Cranes at the Bosque del Apache Refuge in New Mexico doesn't start until Dec. 6. Bruce MacPhersonSouth Burlington On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 07:31:11 PM EST, Jared Katz <000003825c43bc1a-dmarc-request...> wrote:
The majestic wonders are still in the corn stubble off St. Pierre Rd as of midday today.
Date: 11/16/23 7:46 am From: alison wagner <alikatofvt...> Subject: Re: [VTBIRD] Name change for Christmas Bird Count?
plus the count is now an international event...Winter Bird Count works for the northern hemisphere!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken Copenhaver" <copenhvr...>
To: "Vermont Birds" <VTBIRD...>
Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2023 10:41:55 AM
Subject: Re: [VTBIRD] Name change for Christmas Bird Count?
As I understand it, Audubon Vermont is owned by National Audubon, and its
employees are paid by National Audubon. They therefore have no ability to
change their name, and I wouldn't expect that they would take a stand on
the Christmas Bird Count name. On the other hand, the local "Audubon"
chapters (just like the "CBC" circles) are independent and can name
themselves anything they want.
Ken Copenhaver
On Thu, Nov 16, 2023 at 9:52 AM Jim Phillips <jim...> wrote:
> Surely the Vermont Avian Society would be open to entertaining these ideas.
>
> On 11/16/2023 9:21 AM, Meredith Barges wrote:
> > This is an important effort that I wholeheartedly support. It's on topic
> > for the National Audubon Society. At their recent Audubon Leadership
> > Conference in Colorado (Nov 2-5), they showed a real commitment to
> promote
> > inclusivity in their topics and participants, to widen the birding and
> bird
> > conservation community, to be more representative of the America we live
> in
> > and the world that we live in.
> >
> > I think that this name change proposal would get real attention from
> them.
> >
> > On Thu, Nov 16, 2023, 8:56 AM Andrea Landsberg <olokaandrea...>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> I have to admit I was taken aback by the name when I first became aware
> of
> >> this great tradition about 6 years ago. But not surprised really as we
> all
> >> know NAS is not at the forefront of cultural awareness...
> >>
> >> Yes, we can all just rename our local counts. But that still doesn't
> feel
> >> right. It seems this is 'tacit' approval as we continue to support the
> >> Audubon CBC effort (I know, I know - the data is uber important!)
> >>
> >> I don't know if anyone from Audubon Vermont is on the list serve? Maybe
> >> we can approach them and see if they might work with the VT birding
> >> community on this. Or at least get all of the local chapters on board
> and
> >> then go to state organization - and get media involved! I wonder if we
> can
> >> enlist Cornell Lab as I have to believe they would also want to change
> the
> >> name?
> >>
> >> We shouldn't give up trying! Starting this global revolution from our
> >> brave little state seems appropriate.
> >>
> >> Thanks Teage for speaking up about something we all obviously have been
> >> troubled by but simply 'acquiesced' to or skirted around.
> >>
> >> Andrea
> >>
>
Date: 11/16/23 7:43 am From: Ken Copenhaver <copenhvr...> Subject: Re: [VTBIRD] Name change for Christmas Bird Count?
As I understand it, Audubon Vermont is owned by National Audubon, and its
employees are paid by National Audubon. They therefore have no ability to
change their name, and I wouldn't expect that they would take a stand on
the Christmas Bird Count name. On the other hand, the local "Audubon"
chapters (just like the "CBC" circles) are independent and can name
themselves anything they want.
Ken Copenhaver
On Thu, Nov 16, 2023 at 9:52 AM Jim Phillips <jim...> wrote:
> Surely the Vermont Avian Society would be open to entertaining these ideas.
>
> On 11/16/2023 9:21 AM, Meredith Barges wrote:
> > This is an important effort that I wholeheartedly support. It's on topic
> > for the National Audubon Society. At their recent Audubon Leadership
> > Conference in Colorado (Nov 2-5), they showed a real commitment to
> promote
> > inclusivity in their topics and participants, to widen the birding and
> bird
> > conservation community, to be more representative of the America we live
> in
> > and the world that we live in.
> >
> > I think that this name change proposal would get real attention from
> them.
> >
> > On Thu, Nov 16, 2023, 8:56 AM Andrea Landsberg <olokaandrea...>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> I have to admit I was taken aback by the name when I first became aware
> of
> >> this great tradition about 6 years ago. But not surprised really as we
> all
> >> know NAS is not at the forefront of cultural awareness...
> >>
> >> Yes, we can all just rename our local counts. But that still doesn't
> feel
> >> right. It seems this is 'tacit' approval as we continue to support the
> >> Audubon CBC effort (I know, I know - the data is uber important!)
> >>
> >> I don't know if anyone from Audubon Vermont is on the list serve? Maybe
> >> we can approach them and see if they might work with the VT birding
> >> community on this. Or at least get all of the local chapters on board
> and
> >> then go to state organization - and get media involved! I wonder if we
> can
> >> enlist Cornell Lab as I have to believe they would also want to change
> the
> >> name?
> >>
> >> We shouldn't give up trying! Starting this global revolution from our
> >> brave little state seems appropriate.
> >>
> >> Thanks Teage for speaking up about something we all obviously have been
> >> troubled by but simply 'acquiesced' to or skirted around.
> >>
> >> Andrea
> >>
>
Date: 11/16/23 6:52 am From: Jim Phillips <jim...> Subject: Re: [VTBIRD] Name change for Christmas Bird Count?
Surely the Vermont Avian Society would be open to entertaining these ideas.
On 11/16/2023 9:21 AM, Meredith Barges wrote: > This is an important effort that I wholeheartedly support. It's on topic > for the National Audubon Society. At their recent Audubon Leadership > Conference in Colorado (Nov 2-5), they showed a real commitment to promote > inclusivity in their topics and participants, to widen the birding and bird > conservation community, to be more representative of the America we live in > and the world that we live in. > > I think that this name change proposal would get real attention from them. > > On Thu, Nov 16, 2023, 8:56 AM Andrea Landsberg <olokaandrea...> > wrote: > >> I have to admit I was taken aback by the name when I first became aware of >> this great tradition about 6 years ago. But not surprised really as we all >> know NAS is not at the forefront of cultural awareness... >> >> Yes, we can all just rename our local counts. But that still doesn't feel >> right. It seems this is 'tacit' approval as we continue to support the >> Audubon CBC effort (I know, I know - the data is uber important!) >> >> I don't know if anyone from Audubon Vermont is on the list serve? Maybe >> we can approach them and see if they might work with the VT birding >> community on this. Or at least get all of the local chapters on board and >> then go to state organization - and get media involved! I wonder if we can >> enlist Cornell Lab as I have to believe they would also want to change the >> name? >> >> We shouldn't give up trying! Starting this global revolution from our >> brave little state seems appropriate. >> >> Thanks Teage for speaking up about something we all obviously have been >> troubled by but simply 'acquiesced' to or skirted around. >> >> Andrea >>
Date: 11/16/23 6:22 am From: Meredith Barges <meredith.barges...> Subject: Re: [VTBIRD] Name change for Christmas Bird Count?
This is an important effort that I wholeheartedly support. It's on topic for the National Audubon Society. At their recent Audubon Leadership Conference in Colorado (Nov 2-5), they showed a real commitment to promote inclusivity in their topics and participants, to widen the birding and bird conservation community, to be more representative of the America we live in and the world that we live in.
I think that this name change proposal would get real attention from them.
On Thu, Nov 16, 2023, 8:56 AM Andrea Landsberg <olokaandrea...> wrote:
> I have to admit I was taken aback by the name when I first became aware of > this great tradition about 6 years ago. But not surprised really as we all > know NAS is not at the forefront of cultural awareness... > > Yes, we can all just rename our local counts. But that still doesn't feel > right. It seems this is 'tacit' approval as we continue to support the > Audubon CBC effort (I know, I know - the data is uber important!) > > I don't know if anyone from Audubon Vermont is on the list serve? Maybe > we can approach them and see if they might work with the VT birding > community on this. Or at least get all of the local chapters on board and > then go to state organization - and get media involved! I wonder if we can > enlist Cornell Lab as I have to believe they would also want to change the > name? > > We shouldn't give up trying! Starting this global revolution from our > brave little state seems appropriate. > > Thanks Teage for speaking up about something we all obviously have been > troubled by but simply 'acquiesced' to or skirted around. > > Andrea >
Date: 11/16/23 5:57 am From: Andrea Landsberg <olokaandrea...> Subject: Re: [VTBIRD] Name change for Christmas Bird Count?
I have to admit I was taken aback by the name when I first became aware of this great tradition about 6 years ago. But not surprised really as we all know NAS is not at the forefront of cultural awareness...
Yes, we can all just rename our local counts. But that still doesn't feel right. It seems this is 'tacit' approval as we continue to support the Audubon CBC effort (I know, I know - the data is uber important!)
I don't know if anyone from Audubon Vermont is on the list serve? Maybe we can approach them and see if they might work with the VT birding community on this. Or at least get all of the local chapters on board and then go to state organization - and get media involved! I wonder if we can enlist Cornell Lab as I have to believe they would also want to change the name?
We shouldn't give up trying! Starting this global revolution from our brave little state seems appropriate.
Thanks Teage for speaking up about something we all obviously have been troubled by but simply 'acquiesced' to or skirted around.
Date: 11/16/23 4:56 am From: Jeanne Elias <moosewoman...> Subject: Re: [VTBIRD] Name change for Christmas Bird Count?
To Zac’s point, a member of the Mad Birders had petitioned Audubon for years to change the name from Christmas Bird Count to something more universal, but those efforts were rebuffed. We at Mad Birders took matters into our own hands last year and our membership is very supportive of our doing so.
Jeanne Elias
> On Nov 16, 2023, at 7:49 AM, Zacheriah Cota-Weaver <zcotaweaver...> wrote:
>
> Teage,
>
> As the founding compiler of the Hunger Mountain count, I made the
> unilateral decision last year to rename and rebrand the count as the Winter
> Bird Count in the absence of guidance from the sponsoring organization.
> I've also removed the name of the sponsoring organization from promotional
> material due to the national organizations failure to change their name
> last year. The count is still run as part of the NAS effort and the data is
> submitted the same as always. Unfortunately the seeming lack of progress
> willpower at the top of NAS means that it will be up to leaders at the
> local level to make these changes.
>
> Zac
>
>> On Wed, Nov 15, 2023 at 7:42 AM Teage O'Connor <badger.meli...>
>> wrote:
>>
>> I have no idea what the process for this would be on a state level as I
>> know this is tied in with a much larger multi-continent effort to count
>> birds every year around the same time, but I think it would be an important
>> step towards making the event more inclusive to change the name of the CBC
>> to something secular - Winter Bird Count? I am not sure how the name
>> actually impacts participation numbers for the event, but speaking for
>> myself (and reflecting what I've heard others note over the years), this is
>> just another case where as a Jew I feel slightly on the outside in a space
>> that should be secular. I'll still be participating counting the crows in
>> Burlington, but just wanted to add my thoughts here.
>>
>> Here's a well articulated post on the topic:
>>
>> https://www.10000birds.com/should-we-take-the-christmas-out-of-the-christmas-bird-count.htm >>
>> Teage O'Connor (he/him)
>> CrowsPath.org <https://crowspath.org/> >>
>> *Wild Burlington natural history newsletter*
>> - https://crowspath.org/newsletter >> *Natural History field guides*
>> - https://crowspath.org/field-guides >>
>
>
> --
> Zacheriah (Zac) Cota-Weaver
> 32 University Lane, Apt #106
> Colchester, VT 05446
> (802) 696-8613 cell
> <zcotaweaver...>
Date: 11/16/23 4:50 am From: Zacheriah Cota-Weaver <zcotaweaver...> Subject: Re: [VTBIRD] Name change for Christmas Bird Count?
Teage,
As the founding compiler of the Hunger Mountain count, I made the
unilateral decision last year to rename and rebrand the count as the Winter
Bird Count in the absence of guidance from the sponsoring organization.
I've also removed the name of the sponsoring organization from promotional
material due to the national organizations failure to change their name
last year. The count is still run as part of the NAS effort and the data is
submitted the same as always. Unfortunately the seeming lack of progress
willpower at the top of NAS means that it will be up to leaders at the
local level to make these changes.
Zac
On Wed, Nov 15, 2023 at 7:42 AM Teage O'Connor <badger.meli...>
wrote:
> I have no idea what the process for this would be on a state level as I
> know this is tied in with a much larger multi-continent effort to count
> birds every year around the same time, but I think it would be an important
> step towards making the event more inclusive to change the name of the CBC
> to something secular - Winter Bird Count? I am not sure how the name
> actually impacts participation numbers for the event, but speaking for
> myself (and reflecting what I've heard others note over the years), this is
> just another case where as a Jew I feel slightly on the outside in a space
> that should be secular. I'll still be participating counting the crows in
> Burlington, but just wanted to add my thoughts here.
>
> Here's a well articulated post on the topic:
>
> https://www.10000birds.com/should-we-take-the-christmas-out-of-the-christmas-bird-count.htm >
> Teage O'Connor (he/him)
> CrowsPath.org <https://crowspath.org/> >
> *Wild Burlington natural history newsletter*
> - https://crowspath.org/newsletter > *Natural History field guides*
> - https://crowspath.org/field-guides >
Date: 11/16/23 4:30 am From: Jeanne Elias <moosewoman...> Subject: Re: [VTBIRD] Name change for Christmas Bird Count?
The Mad Birders in the Mad River Valley changed the name of our count to the Winter Bird Count (WBC) for related reasons. We did so to be more inclusive to all birders. We still follow Audubon protocols and report our data to them.
Jeanne Elias
Mad Birders
> On Nov 15, 2023, at 11:13 AM, Jim Mead <jimmead4...> wrote:
>
> Great topic to bring up Teage. The actual purpose to participate in this event is to count birds. Therefore I think the words bird & count should remain in the name of this event. My simple suggestion is to call the event the Annual Bird Count. It’s also a simple acronym to remember.
>
> Jim Mead
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Nov 15, 2023, at 10:13 AM, Mark Marroni <mjmarroni...> wrote:
>>
>> How about the Winter Solstice Count or WSC?
>>
>>>> On Wed, Nov 15, 2023 at 10:07 AM Maeve Kim <maevekim7...> wrote:
>>>
>>> Oh! Good point! There is a frightening surge of neo-Nazism in many parts
>>> of the world, including here in the US. Let’s keep it out of birding!
>>> Maeve Kim
>>>
>>>> On Nov 15, 2023, at 10:01 AM, Glenn Etter <glennetterjr...>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "solstice" accounts for northern and southern hemispheres, so maybe
>>>> there's that in favor of the Seasonal Solstice Survey. Solstice Survey
>>> is
>>>> perhaps a more elegant name, but I don't think SS is the best acronym, at
>>>> least in English.
>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Nov 15, 2023 at 9:57 AM Maeve Kim <maevekim7...> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Ah! Alliteration is always good, Rich!
>>>>> I agree - It’s an international event and the name change would probably
>>>>> have to be international.
>>>>> Maeve Kim, Jericho Center
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Nov 15, 2023, at 9:35 AM, Rich Kelley <rich...> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Seasonal Solstice Survey...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Or to keep the initials, the first C could be Community, Collaborative,
>>>>> or Circular.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't know how this could be a Vermont level thing. There are more
>>>>> circles straddling the Vermont border than there are entirely within
>>>>> Vermont.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Vermont Birds <VTBIRD...> On Behalf Of Teage O'Connor
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2023 7:41 AM
>>>>>> To: <VTBIRD...>
>>>>>> Subject: [VTBIRD] Name change for Christmas Bird Count?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have no idea what the process for this would be on a state level as I
>>>>> know this is tied in with a much larger multi-continent effort to count
>>>>> birds every year around the same time, but I think it would be an
>>> important
>>>>> step towards making the event more inclusive to change the name of the
>>> CBC
>>>>> to something secular - Winter Bird Count? I am not sure how the name
>>>>> actually impacts participation numbers for the event, but speaking for
>>>>> myself (and reflecting what I've heard others note over the years),
>>> this is
>>>>> just another case where as a Jew I feel slightly on the outside in a
>>> space
>>>>> that should be secular. I'll still be participating counting the crows
>>> in
>>>>> Burlington, but just wanted to add my thoughts here.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here's a well articulated post on the topic:
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>> https://www.10000birds.com/should-we-take-the-christmas-out-of-the-christmas-bird-count.htm >>>>>>
>>>>>> Teage O'Connor (he/him)
>>>>>> CrowsPath.org <https://crowspath.org/> >>>>>>
>>>>>> *Wild Burlington natural history newsletter*
>>>>>> - https://crowspath.org/newsletter >>>>>> *Natural History field guides*
>>>>>> - https://crowspath.org/field-guides >>>>>
>>>
Date: 11/16/23 3:08 am From: Jeffrey Allen <jjapple88...> Subject: [VTBIRD] Solstice Bird Count
Teague et al,
I’ve been secretly calling it the Solstice Bird Count for years now. Some version that maintains the data significance (close to the Solstice), that it is about birds and we are counting them. Good on ya Teague.
Jeffrey Allen
South Burlington
Date: 11/15/23 2:58 pm From: Karan Cutler <kdcutler42...> Subject: Re: [VTBIRD] Sandhill Crane Still Present and Accounted for ... [Franklin]
Just a nice as a good book!
On Wed, Nov 15, 2023 at 5:40 PM <Jvickers...> <jvickers...>
wrote:
> Two of them were at the local branch of my library here in
> Stuart, Florida, on the Atlantic coast, where they belong.
> Every library patron drove into the adjacent lots spaces to
> give them the entire center section. They are so handsome.
>
> > On Nov 15, 2023, at 3:27 PM, TheVermont BirderGuy <
> <000008ba8e52eb04-dmarc-request...> wrote:
> >
> > Hi all
> >
> > We found them about 1/2 hour ago in St Pierre Road corn stubble field
> again.
> >
> >
> https://thevermontbirderguy.org/2023/09/26/marbled-godwit-and-sandhill-crane/ > >
> > Thanks, The Vermont Birder Guy (aka Gary), Sheldon
> > https://thevermontbirderguy.org/ >
Date: 11/15/23 2:40 pm From: <Jvickers...> <jvickers...> Subject: Re: [VTBIRD] Sandhill Crane Still Present and Accounted for ... [Franklin]
Two of them were at the local branch of my library here in
Stuart, Florida, on the Atlantic coast, where they belong.
Every library patron drove into the adjacent lots spaces to
give them the entire center section. They are so handsome.
Date: 11/15/23 8:14 am From: Jim Mead <jimmead4...> Subject: Re: [VTBIRD] Name change for Christmas Bird Count?
Great topic to bring up Teage. The actual purpose to participate in this event is to count birds. Therefore I think the words bird & count should remain in the name of this event. My simple suggestion is to call the event the Annual Bird Count. It’s also a simple acronym to remember.
Jim Mead
Sent from my iPhone
> On Nov 15, 2023, at 10:13 AM, Mark Marroni <mjmarroni...> wrote:
>
> How about the Winter Solstice Count or WSC?
>
>> On Wed, Nov 15, 2023 at 10:07 AM Maeve Kim <maevekim7...> wrote:
>>
>> Oh! Good point! There is a frightening surge of neo-Nazism in many parts
>> of the world, including here in the US. Let’s keep it out of birding!
>> Maeve Kim
>>
>>> On Nov 15, 2023, at 10:01 AM, Glenn Etter <glennetterjr...>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> "solstice" accounts for northern and southern hemispheres, so maybe
>>> there's that in favor of the Seasonal Solstice Survey. Solstice Survey
>> is
>>> perhaps a more elegant name, but I don't think SS is the best acronym, at
>>> least in English.
>>>
>>>> On Wed, Nov 15, 2023 at 9:57 AM Maeve Kim <maevekim7...> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ah! Alliteration is always good, Rich!
>>>> I agree - It’s an international event and the name change would probably
>>>> have to be international.
>>>> Maeve Kim, Jericho Center
>>>>
>>>>> On Nov 15, 2023, at 9:35 AM, Rich Kelley <rich...> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Seasonal Solstice Survey...
>>>>>
>>>>> Or to keep the initials, the first C could be Community, Collaborative,
>>>> or Circular.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't know how this could be a Vermont level thing. There are more
>>>> circles straddling the Vermont border than there are entirely within
>>>> Vermont.
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Vermont Birds <VTBIRD...> On Behalf Of Teage O'Connor
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2023 7:41 AM
>>>>> To: <VTBIRD...>
>>>>> Subject: [VTBIRD] Name change for Christmas Bird Count?
>>>>>
>>>>> I have no idea what the process for this would be on a state level as I
>>>> know this is tied in with a much larger multi-continent effort to count
>>>> birds every year around the same time, but I think it would be an
>> important
>>>> step towards making the event more inclusive to change the name of the
>> CBC
>>>> to something secular - Winter Bird Count? I am not sure how the name
>>>> actually impacts participation numbers for the event, but speaking for
>>>> myself (and reflecting what I've heard others note over the years),
>> this is
>>>> just another case where as a Jew I feel slightly on the outside in a
>> space
>>>> that should be secular. I'll still be participating counting the crows
>> in
>>>> Burlington, but just wanted to add my thoughts here.
>>>>>
>>>>> Here's a well articulated post on the topic:
>>>>>
>>>>
>> https://www.10000birds.com/should-we-take-the-christmas-out-of-the-christmas-bird-count.htm >>>>>
>>>>> Teage O'Connor (he/him)
>>>>> CrowsPath.org <https://crowspath.org/> >>>>>
>>>>> *Wild Burlington natural history newsletter*
>>>>> - https://crowspath.org/newsletter >>>>> *Natural History field guides*
>>>>> - https://crowspath.org/field-guides >>>>
>>
Date: 11/15/23 8:07 am From: Julie Cadwallader Staub <juliecs1...> Subject: Re: [VTBIRD] Name change for Christmas Bird Count?
Love this idea—and it aligns with the other changes that are being made with how birds have been named, so hopefully whatever powers there be are thinking along these same lines, or will be open to it.
Thanks so much for bringing this up!
Julie
> On Nov 15, 2023, at 10:12 AM, Mark Marroni <mjmarroni...> wrote:
>
> How about the Winter Solstice Count or WSC?
>
> On Wed, Nov 15, 2023 at 10:07 AM Maeve Kim <maevekim7...> wrote:
>
>> Oh! Good point! There is a frightening surge of neo-Nazism in many parts
>> of the world, including here in the US. Let’s keep it out of birding!
>> Maeve Kim
>>
>>> On Nov 15, 2023, at 10:01 AM, Glenn Etter <glennetterjr...>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> "solstice" accounts for northern and southern hemispheres, so maybe
>>> there's that in favor of the Seasonal Solstice Survey. Solstice Survey
>> is
>>> perhaps a more elegant name, but I don't think SS is the best acronym, at
>>> least in English.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Nov 15, 2023 at 9:57 AM Maeve Kim <maevekim7...> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ah! Alliteration is always good, Rich!
>>>> I agree - It’s an international event and the name change would probably
>>>> have to be international.
>>>> Maeve Kim, Jericho Center
>>>>
>>>>> On Nov 15, 2023, at 9:35 AM, Rich Kelley <rich...> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Seasonal Solstice Survey...
>>>>>
>>>>> Or to keep the initials, the first C could be Community, Collaborative,
>>>> or Circular.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't know how this could be a Vermont level thing. There are more
>>>> circles straddling the Vermont border than there are entirely within
>>>> Vermont.
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Vermont Birds <VTBIRD...> On Behalf Of Teage O'Connor
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2023 7:41 AM
>>>>> To: <VTBIRD...>
>>>>> Subject: [VTBIRD] Name change for Christmas Bird Count?
>>>>>
>>>>> I have no idea what the process for this would be on a state level as I
>>>> know this is tied in with a much larger multi-continent effort to count
>>>> birds every year around the same time, but I think it would be an
>> important
>>>> step towards making the event more inclusive to change the name of the
>> CBC
>>>> to something secular - Winter Bird Count? I am not sure how the name
>>>> actually impacts participation numbers for the event, but speaking for
>>>> myself (and reflecting what I've heard others note over the years),
>> this is
>>>> just another case where as a Jew I feel slightly on the outside in a
>> space
>>>> that should be secular. I'll still be participating counting the crows
>> in
>>>> Burlington, but just wanted to add my thoughts here.
>>>>>
>>>>> Here's a well articulated post on the topic:
>>>>>
>>>>
>> https://www.10000birds.com/should-we-take-the-christmas-out-of-the-christmas-bird-count.htm >>>>>
>>>>> Teage O'Connor (he/him)
>>>>> CrowsPath.org <https://crowspath.org/> >>>>>
>>>>> *Wild Burlington natural history newsletter*
>>>>> - https://crowspath.org/newsletter >>>>> *Natural History field guides*
>>>>> - https://crowspath.org/field-guides >>>>
>>
Date: 11/15/23 7:13 am From: Mark Marroni <mjmarroni...> Subject: Re: [VTBIRD] Name change for Christmas Bird Count?
How about the Winter Solstice Count or WSC?
On Wed, Nov 15, 2023 at 10:07 AM Maeve Kim <maevekim7...> wrote:
> Oh! Good point! There is a frightening surge of neo-Nazism in many parts
> of the world, including here in the US. Let’s keep it out of birding!
> Maeve Kim
>
> > On Nov 15, 2023, at 10:01 AM, Glenn Etter <glennetterjr...>
> wrote:
> >
> > "solstice" accounts for northern and southern hemispheres, so maybe
> > there's that in favor of the Seasonal Solstice Survey. Solstice Survey
> is
> > perhaps a more elegant name, but I don't think SS is the best acronym, at
> > least in English.
> >
> > On Wed, Nov 15, 2023 at 9:57 AM Maeve Kim <maevekim7...> wrote:
> >
> >> Ah! Alliteration is always good, Rich!
> >> I agree - It’s an international event and the name change would probably
> >> have to be international.
> >> Maeve Kim, Jericho Center
> >>
> >>> On Nov 15, 2023, at 9:35 AM, Rich Kelley <rich...> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Seasonal Solstice Survey...
> >>>
> >>> Or to keep the initials, the first C could be Community, Collaborative,
> >> or Circular.
> >>>
> >>> I don't know how this could be a Vermont level thing. There are more
> >> circles straddling the Vermont border than there are entirely within
> >> Vermont.
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: Vermont Birds <VTBIRD...> On Behalf Of Teage O'Connor
> >>> Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2023 7:41 AM
> >>> To: <VTBIRD...>
> >>> Subject: [VTBIRD] Name change for Christmas Bird Count?
> >>>
> >>> I have no idea what the process for this would be on a state level as I
> >> know this is tied in with a much larger multi-continent effort to count
> >> birds every year around the same time, but I think it would be an
> important
> >> step towards making the event more inclusive to change the name of the
> CBC
> >> to something secular - Winter Bird Count? I am not sure how the name
> >> actually impacts participation numbers for the event, but speaking for
> >> myself (and reflecting what I've heard others note over the years),
> this is
> >> just another case where as a Jew I feel slightly on the outside in a
> space
> >> that should be secular. I'll still be participating counting the crows
> in
> >> Burlington, but just wanted to add my thoughts here.
> >>>
> >>> Here's a well articulated post on the topic:
> >>>
> >>
> https://www.10000birds.com/should-we-take-the-christmas-out-of-the-christmas-bird-count.htm > >>>
> >>> Teage O'Connor (he/him)
> >>> CrowsPath.org <https://crowspath.org/> > >>>
> >>> *Wild Burlington natural history newsletter*
> >>> - https://crowspath.org/newsletter > >>> *Natural History field guides*
> >>> - https://crowspath.org/field-guides > >>
>
Date: 11/15/23 7:13 am From: Maeve Kim <maevekim7...> Subject: Re: [VTBIRD] Name change for Christmas Bird Count?
No. Each circle can name itself. For example, a three-year-old circle here in Vermont decided on Tri-County Count, and that was approved.
Maeve
> On Nov 15, 2023, at 10:07 AM, TheVermont BirderGuy <000008ba8e52eb04-dmarc-request...> wrote:
>
> Hi all
>
> I'm a process guy at heart ... (not knowing) does National Audubon Society care what states call their circles?
>
> Thanks, The Vermont Birder Guy (aka Gary), Sheldon
Date: 11/15/23 7:08 am From: Rich Kelley <rich...> Subject: Re: [VTBIRD] Name change for Christmas Bird Count?
Precisely why I added "Seasonal"
Community Bird Count keeps the initials for all the gmail addresses that use CBC
-----Original Message-----
From: Vermont Birds <VTBIRD...> On Behalf Of Glenn Etter
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2023 10:01 AM
To: <VTBIRD...>
Subject: Re: [VTBIRD] Name change for Christmas Bird Count?
"solstice" accounts for northern and southern hemispheres, so maybe there's that in favor of the Seasonal Solstice Survey. Solstice Survey is perhaps a more elegant name, but I don't think SS is the best acronym, at least in English.
On Wed, Nov 15, 2023 at 9:57 AM Maeve Kim <maevekim7...> wrote:
> Ah! Alliteration is always good, Rich!
> I agree - It’s an international event and the name change would
> probably have to be international.
> Maeve Kim, Jericho Center
>
> > On Nov 15, 2023, at 9:35 AM, Rich Kelley <rich...> wrote:
> >
> > Seasonal Solstice Survey...
> >
> > Or to keep the initials, the first C could be Community,
> > Collaborative,
> or Circular.
> >
> > I don't know how this could be a Vermont level thing. There are
> > more
> circles straddling the Vermont border than there are entirely within
> Vermont.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Vermont Birds <VTBIRD...> On Behalf Of Teage
> > O'Connor
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2023 7:41 AM
> > To: <VTBIRD...>
> > Subject: [VTBIRD] Name change for Christmas Bird Count?
> >
> > I have no idea what the process for this would be on a state level
> > as I
> know this is tied in with a much larger multi-continent effort to
> count birds every year around the same time, but I think it would be
> an important step towards making the event more inclusive to change
> the name of the CBC to something secular - Winter Bird Count? I am not
> sure how the name actually impacts participation numbers for the
> event, but speaking for myself (and reflecting what I've heard others
> note over the years), this is just another case where as a Jew I feel
> slightly on the outside in a space that should be secular. I'll still
> be participating counting the crows in Burlington, but just wanted to add my thoughts here.
> >
> > Here's a well articulated post on the topic:
> >
> https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.
> 10000birds.com%2Fshould-we-take-the-christmas-out-of-the-christmas-bir
> d-count.htm&data=05%7C01%<7Crich...>%7C64fdf831b8d2497f32
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> c0WAe%2BA3Eb2y9Y2ia6k79%2BPyksQ%3D&reserved=0
> >
> > Teage O'Connor (he/him)
> > CrowsPath.org
> > <https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fc > > rowspath.org%2F&data=05%7C01%<7Crich...>%7C64fdf831b8d2
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> > 1Iv5viWYF1DtyY08%2B7hcvjGuoaoaqkIlLxqCg%3D&reserved=0>
> >
> > *Wild Burlington natural history newsletter*
> > -
> > https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcr > > owspath.org%2Fnewsletter&data=05%7C01%<7Crich...>%7C64f
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> > ta=PhjhueGiw7u5bUNCdi7l1lyihEQcIL7Ac0Xn3A3wNLc%3D&reserved=0
> > *Natural History field guides*
> > -
> > https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcr > > owspath.org%2Ffield-guides&data=05%7C01%<7Crich...>%7C6
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Date: 11/15/23 7:07 am From: Maeve Kim <maevekim7...> Subject: Re: [VTBIRD] Name change for Christmas Bird Count?
Oh! Good point! There is a frightening surge of neo-Nazism in many parts of the world, including here in the US. Let’s keep it out of birding!
Maeve Kim
> On Nov 15, 2023, at 10:01 AM, Glenn Etter <glennetterjr...> wrote:
>
> "solstice" accounts for northern and southern hemispheres, so maybe
> there's that in favor of the Seasonal Solstice Survey. Solstice Survey is
> perhaps a more elegant name, but I don't think SS is the best acronym, at
> least in English.
>
> On Wed, Nov 15, 2023 at 9:57 AM Maeve Kim <maevekim7...> wrote:
>
>> Ah! Alliteration is always good, Rich!
>> I agree - It’s an international event and the name change would probably
>> have to be international.
>> Maeve Kim, Jericho Center
>>
>>> On Nov 15, 2023, at 9:35 AM, Rich Kelley <rich...> wrote:
>>>
>>> Seasonal Solstice Survey...
>>>
>>> Or to keep the initials, the first C could be Community, Collaborative,
>> or Circular.
>>>
>>> I don't know how this could be a Vermont level thing. There are more
>> circles straddling the Vermont border than there are entirely within
>> Vermont.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Vermont Birds <VTBIRD...> On Behalf Of Teage O'Connor
>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2023 7:41 AM
>>> To: <VTBIRD...>
>>> Subject: [VTBIRD] Name change for Christmas Bird Count?
>>>
>>> I have no idea what the process for this would be on a state level as I
>> know this is tied in with a much larger multi-continent effort to count
>> birds every year around the same time, but I think it would be an important
>> step towards making the event more inclusive to change the name of the CBC
>> to something secular - Winter Bird Count? I am not sure how the name
>> actually impacts participation numbers for the event, but speaking for
>> myself (and reflecting what I've heard others note over the years), this is
>> just another case where as a Jew I feel slightly on the outside in a space
>> that should be secular. I'll still be participating counting the crows in
>> Burlington, but just wanted to add my thoughts here.
>>>
>>> Here's a well articulated post on the topic:
>>>
>> https://www.10000birds.com/should-we-take-the-christmas-out-of-the-christmas-bird-count.htm >>>
>>> Teage O'Connor (he/him)
>>> CrowsPath.org <https://crowspath.org/> >>>
>>> *Wild Burlington natural history newsletter*
>>> - https://crowspath.org/newsletter >>> *Natural History field guides*
>>> - https://crowspath.org/field-guides >>
Date: 11/15/23 7:02 am From: Glenn Etter <glennetterjr...> Subject: Re: [VTBIRD] Name change for Christmas Bird Count?
"solstice" accounts for northern and southern hemispheres, so maybe
there's that in favor of the Seasonal Solstice Survey. Solstice Survey is
perhaps a more elegant name, but I don't think SS is the best acronym, at
least in English.
On Wed, Nov 15, 2023 at 9:57 AM Maeve Kim <maevekim7...> wrote:
> Ah! Alliteration is always good, Rich!
> I agree - It’s an international event and the name change would probably
> have to be international.
> Maeve Kim, Jericho Center
>
> > On Nov 15, 2023, at 9:35 AM, Rich Kelley <rich...> wrote:
> >
> > Seasonal Solstice Survey...
> >
> > Or to keep the initials, the first C could be Community, Collaborative,
> or Circular.
> >
> > I don't know how this could be a Vermont level thing. There are more
> circles straddling the Vermont border than there are entirely within
> Vermont.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Vermont Birds <VTBIRD...> On Behalf Of Teage O'Connor
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2023 7:41 AM
> > To: <VTBIRD...>
> > Subject: [VTBIRD] Name change for Christmas Bird Count?
> >
> > I have no idea what the process for this would be on a state level as I
> know this is tied in with a much larger multi-continent effort to count
> birds every year around the same time, but I think it would be an important
> step towards making the event more inclusive to change the name of the CBC
> to something secular - Winter Bird Count? I am not sure how the name
> actually impacts participation numbers for the event, but speaking for
> myself (and reflecting what I've heard others note over the years), this is
> just another case where as a Jew I feel slightly on the outside in a space
> that should be secular. I'll still be participating counting the crows in
> Burlington, but just wanted to add my thoughts here.
> >
> > Here's a well articulated post on the topic:
> >
> https://www.10000birds.com/should-we-take-the-christmas-out-of-the-christmas-bird-count.htm > >
> > Teage O'Connor (he/him)
> > CrowsPath.org <https://crowspath.org/> > >
> > *Wild Burlington natural history newsletter*
> > - https://crowspath.org/newsletter > > *Natural History field guides*
> > - https://crowspath.org/field-guides >
Date: 11/15/23 6:57 am From: Maeve Kim <maevekim7...> Subject: Re: [VTBIRD] Name change for Christmas Bird Count?
Ah! Alliteration is always good, Rich!
I agree - It’s an international event and the name change would probably have to be international.
Maeve Kim, Jericho Center
> On Nov 15, 2023, at 9:35 AM, Rich Kelley <rich...> wrote:
>
> Seasonal Solstice Survey...
>
> Or to keep the initials, the first C could be Community, Collaborative, or Circular.
>
> I don't know how this could be a Vermont level thing. There are more circles straddling the Vermont border than there are entirely within Vermont.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Vermont Birds <VTBIRD...> On Behalf Of Teage O'Connor
> Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2023 7:41 AM
> To: <VTBIRD...>
> Subject: [VTBIRD] Name change for Christmas Bird Count?
>
> I have no idea what the process for this would be on a state level as I know this is tied in with a much larger multi-continent effort to count birds every year around the same time, but I think it would be an important step towards making the event more inclusive to change the name of the CBC to something secular - Winter Bird Count? I am not sure how the name actually impacts participation numbers for the event, but speaking for myself (and reflecting what I've heard others note over the years), this is just another case where as a Jew I feel slightly on the outside in a space that should be secular. I'll still be participating counting the crows in Burlington, but just wanted to add my thoughts here.
>
> Here's a well articulated post on the topic:
> https://www.10000birds.com/should-we-take-the-christmas-out-of-the-christmas-bird-count.htm >
> Teage O'Connor (he/him)
> CrowsPath.org <https://crowspath.org/> >
> *Wild Burlington natural history newsletter*
> - https://crowspath.org/newsletter > *Natural History field guides*
> - https://crowspath.org/field-guides
Date: 11/15/23 6:44 am From: Rich Kelley <rich...> Subject: Re: [VTBIRD] Name change for Christmas Bird Count?
Seasonal Solstice Survey...
Or to keep the initials, the first C could be Community, Collaborative, or Circular.
I don't know how this could be a Vermont level thing. There are more circles straddling the Vermont border than there are entirely within Vermont.
-----Original Message-----
From: Vermont Birds <VTBIRD...> On Behalf Of Teage O'Connor
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2023 7:41 AM
To: <VTBIRD...>
Subject: [VTBIRD] Name change for Christmas Bird Count?
I have no idea what the process for this would be on a state level as I know this is tied in with a much larger multi-continent effort to count birds every year around the same time, but I think it would be an important step towards making the event more inclusive to change the name of the CBC to something secular - Winter Bird Count? I am not sure how the name actually impacts participation numbers for the event, but speaking for myself (and reflecting what I've heard others note over the years), this is just another case where as a Jew I feel slightly on the outside in a space that should be secular. I'll still be participating counting the crows in Burlington, but just wanted to add my thoughts here.
Date: 11/15/23 6:41 am From: <szund...> <0000011d6faf8cfb-dmarc-request...> Subject: Re: [VTBIRD] Name change for Christmas Bird Count?
Thanks for bringing this point up, Teage, Time for a change.
Shirley Z.
Sent from the all new AOL app for iOS
On Wednesday, November 15, 2023, 7:41 AM, Teage O'Connor <badger.meli...> wrote:
I have no idea what the process for this would be on a state level as I
know this is tied in with a much larger multi-continent effort to count
birds every year around the same time, but I think it would be an important
step towards making the event more inclusive to change the name of the CBC
to something secular - Winter Bird Count? I am not sure how the name
actually impacts participation numbers for the event, but speaking for
myself (and reflecting what I've heard others note over the years), this is
just another case where as a Jew I feel slightly on the outside in a space
that should be secular. I'll still be participating counting the crows in
Burlington, but just wanted to add my thoughts here.
Date: 11/15/23 6:33 am From: Maeve Kim <maevekim7...> Subject: Re: [VTBIRD] Name change for Christmas Bird Count?
The name came about when early conservatists wanted an alternative to the Christmas Side Hunt, a disgusting “sport” in which hunters would go afield, while the holiday feast was being prepared, and compete to see who could end up with the biggest pile of feathered and furred creatures. Anything was fair game, and sometimes the piles were twice the height of the hunters. Ornithologist Frank Chapman proposed a Christmas Bird Census as an alternative. So it did, originally, coincide with Christmas Day. However, that was over 120 years ago. It makes sense now to name the event for what it is: a Winter Bird Count or Winter Bird Census.
Maeve Kim, Jericho Center
> On Nov 15, 2023, at 9:18 AM, Rita Pitkin <ritapitkin15...> wrote:
>
> Excellent idea. Thank you.
>
> On Wed, Nov 15, 2023 at 9:15 AM Glenn Etter <glennetterjr...> wrote:
>
>> Winter Bird Count makes sense to me - it seems more inclusive, and the CBC
>> almost never takes place on Christmas Day, so it's also more accurate
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 15, 2023 at 7:42 AM Teage O'Connor <badger.meli...>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I have no idea what the process for this would be on a state level as I
>>> know this is tied in with a much larger multi-continent effort to count
>>> birds every year around the same time, but I think it would be an
>> important
>>> step towards making the event more inclusive to change the name of the
>> CBC
>>> to something secular - Winter Bird Count? I am not sure how the name
>>> actually impacts participation numbers for the event, but speaking for
>>> myself (and reflecting what I've heard others note over the years), this
>> is
>>> just another case where as a Jew I feel slightly on the outside in a
>> space
>>> that should be secular. I'll still be participating counting the crows in
>>> Burlington, but just wanted to add my thoughts here.
>>>
>>> Here's a well articulated post on the topic:
>>>
>>>
>> https://www.10000birds.com/should-we-take-the-christmas-out-of-the-christmas-bird-count.htm >>>
>>> Teage O'Connor (he/him)
>>> CrowsPath.org <https://crowspath.org/> >>>
>>> *Wild Burlington natural history newsletter*
>>> - https://crowspath.org/newsletter >>> *Natural History field guides*
>>> - https://crowspath.org/field-guides >>>
>>
Date: 11/15/23 6:20 am From: Rita Pitkin <ritapitkin15...> Subject: Re: [VTBIRD] Name change for Christmas Bird Count?
Excellent idea. Thank you.
On Wed, Nov 15, 2023 at 9:15 AM Glenn Etter <glennetterjr...> wrote:
> Winter Bird Count makes sense to me - it seems more inclusive, and the CBC
> almost never takes place on Christmas Day, so it's also more accurate
>
> On Wed, Nov 15, 2023 at 7:42 AM Teage O'Connor <badger.meli...>
> wrote:
>
> > I have no idea what the process for this would be on a state level as I
> > know this is tied in with a much larger multi-continent effort to count
> > birds every year around the same time, but I think it would be an
> important
> > step towards making the event more inclusive to change the name of the
> CBC
> > to something secular - Winter Bird Count? I am not sure how the name
> > actually impacts participation numbers for the event, but speaking for
> > myself (and reflecting what I've heard others note over the years), this
> is
> > just another case where as a Jew I feel slightly on the outside in a
> space
> > that should be secular. I'll still be participating counting the crows in
> > Burlington, but just wanted to add my thoughts here.
> >
> > Here's a well articulated post on the topic:
> >
> >
> https://www.10000birds.com/should-we-take-the-christmas-out-of-the-christmas-bird-count.htm > >
> > Teage O'Connor (he/him)
> > CrowsPath.org <https://crowspath.org/> > >
> > *Wild Burlington natural history newsletter*
> > - https://crowspath.org/newsletter > > *Natural History field guides*
> > - https://crowspath.org/field-guides > >
>
Date: 11/15/23 6:15 am From: Glenn Etter <glennetterjr...> Subject: Re: [VTBIRD] Name change for Christmas Bird Count?
Winter Bird Count makes sense to me - it seems more inclusive, and the CBC
almost never takes place on Christmas Day, so it's also more accurate
On Wed, Nov 15, 2023 at 7:42 AM Teage O'Connor <badger.meli...>
wrote:
> I have no idea what the process for this would be on a state level as I
> know this is tied in with a much larger multi-continent effort to count
> birds every year around the same time, but I think it would be an important
> step towards making the event more inclusive to change the name of the CBC
> to something secular - Winter Bird Count? I am not sure how the name
> actually impacts participation numbers for the event, but speaking for
> myself (and reflecting what I've heard others note over the years), this is
> just another case where as a Jew I feel slightly on the outside in a space
> that should be secular. I'll still be participating counting the crows in
> Burlington, but just wanted to add my thoughts here.
>
> Here's a well articulated post on the topic:
>
> https://www.10000birds.com/should-we-take-the-christmas-out-of-the-christmas-bird-count.htm >
> Teage O'Connor (he/him)
> CrowsPath.org <https://crowspath.org/> >
> *Wild Burlington natural history newsletter*
> - https://crowspath.org/newsletter > *Natural History field guides*
> - https://crowspath.org/field-guides >
Date: 11/15/23 4:42 am From: Teage O'Connor <badger.meli...> Subject: [VTBIRD] Name change for Christmas Bird Count?
I have no idea what the process for this would be on a state level as I know this is tied in with a much larger multi-continent effort to count birds every year around the same time, but I think it would be an important step towards making the event more inclusive to change the name of the CBC to something secular - Winter Bird Count? I am not sure how the name actually impacts participation numbers for the event, but speaking for myself (and reflecting what I've heard others note over the years), this is just another case where as a Jew I feel slightly on the outside in a space that should be secular. I'll still be participating counting the crows in Burlington, but just wanted to add my thoughts here.
Hi Linda, St Michael's Natural Area is part of the Burlington Sector. I'm not sure what day Middlebury is counting but I'd love to have you join us if you are free. St Mike's offers a variety of habitats, generally pretty flat and birding is great year round.
Sunday December 17 is our count day.
On Sunday, December 17th, Green Mountain Audubon Society will be hosting the 76th annual Burlington Christmas Bird Count! We are looking for a few experienced birders who are willing to lead a sector for the count, but also welcome birders of all experience levels to participate. Please reach out if you are interested and I can follow up with more details, and thanks!
Date: 11/14/23 12:26 pm From: Veer Frost <0000038039fb4cf6-dmarc-request...> Subject: [VTBIRD] American Tree Sparrow
Two, first of season here.Veer, Passumpsic, NEK
_In an information-rich world, the wealth of information means a dearth of something else: a scarcity of whatever it is that information consumes. What information consumes is rather obvious: it consumes the attention of its recipients. Hence a wealth of information creates a poverty of attention._H Simon, Nobel Laureate
Date: 11/14/23 11:08 am From: David Guertin <dave...> Subject: Re: [VTBIRD] Christmas Bird Count
Linda,
Your contact for the Middlebury CBC is Jim Andrews: <jandrews...>
Hope to see you there!
Dave
On 11/14/23 14:01, L Kulas wrote: > We are new to Middlebury, but have participated in CBC for years in the Rutland area. Is your sector in the Middlebury area? > Linda Kulas > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Nov 14, 2023, at 9:26 AM, Becky Giroux <ravenrr...> wrote: >> >> Hi all, I am the leader for sector 6 that covers St Mike's Natural Area up to Suzie Wilson and down Severance Rd and I could use a couple more people. If you haven't signed up for another sector and want to get involved I would love to hear from you. >> >> Becky
Date: 11/14/23 11:02 am From: L Kulas <0000048acbee2c0c-dmarc-request...> Subject: Re: [VTBIRD] Christmas Bird Count
We are new to Middlebury, but have participated in CBC for years in the Rutland area. Is your sector in the Middlebury area?
Linda Kulas
Sent from my iPhone
> On Nov 14, 2023, at 9:26 AM, Becky Giroux <ravenrr...> wrote:
>
> Hi all, I am the leader for sector 6 that covers St Mike's Natural Area up to Suzie Wilson and down Severance Rd and I could use a couple more people. If you haven't signed up for another sector and want to get involved I would love to hear from you.
>
> Becky
Date: 11/14/23 7:36 am From: Ken Copenhaver <copenhvr...> Subject: [VTBIRD] Missisquoi NWR Bird Monitoring Walk
Please join us for our monthly bird monitoring walks on the refuge. Ken Copenhaver and Julie Filiberti lead the walks on various refuge trails on the 3rd Saturday of each month (except December when it is on the 2nd Saturday). The purpose of the walks is to gather long-term data on the presence of birds, their abundance, and changes in populations. Observations are entered into the Vermont eBird database where data is stored by the Cornell Lab of Ornithology. These walks are appropriate for birders of all skill levels and provide a wonderful opportunity to learn about birds throughout the seasons. After 163 months of walks, we have recorded 164 species of birds.
This month's walk will be on *Saturday, November 18, from 8:00 to 10:00 AM at the Black/Maquam Creek Trail*. Meet at the parking lot on Rt 78, about 2.5 miles west of Swanton village.
*NOTE: In the event of a government shutdown, this event will be canceled per U.S. Fish & Wildlife shutdown rules.*
Trail description: The walk starts at a gravel parking lot and proceeds on a grassy path. It then goes up a short but fairly steep bank to cross the railroad tracks, and back down a similar bank. The rest of the trail through the floodplain forest is level with trail surfaces varying from gravel, to a long boardwalk, to a somewhat rougher trail near the end. There are three benches along the trail, including one at the end. Total distance, out and back, is about 2.25 miles.
Trail conditions: Considering all the rain we've had lately, it's never a bad idea to wear waterproof shoes.
If you have any questions, contact me at <copenhvr...>
Hi all, I am the leader for sector 6 that covers St Mike's Natural Area up to Suzie Wilson and down Severance Rd and I could use a couple more people. If you haven't signed up for another sector and want to get involved I would love to hear from you.
Date: 11/14/23 5:40 am From: Tom Jiamachello <000000f285df68b6-dmarc-request...> Subject: Re: [VTBIRD] Collecting Vermont CBC dates
Hi Zac,
Well here we are mid-November. Thanks for agreeing to give a powerpoint for the GMAS.
As we discussed, you are our first presenter on December 6 at 6:30 pm on the topic "Winter Birds Primer". Do you think you will need a Practice Session?
Zac, we are getting ready to start advertising this season's Programs. Can you send to me in the next few days a writeup on your presentation?
I will take your bio from last year's talk. Did you want to add or change anything?
I am increasing the honorarium this year to $300 per program. To what address shall I have our Treasurer send your check after the program?
Thanks again, Zac. I am really looking forward to your program.
Best,
Tom Jiamachello
On Tuesday, November 14, 2023 at 06:05:23 AM EST, Zacheriah Cota-Weaver <zcotaweaver...> wrote:
The 8th Hunger Mountain Winter Bird Count will be held in the Waterbury
area on Friday, December 29th. We are always looking for new participants,
regardless of experience, and anyone interested in joining can reach out to
me directly.
Zac Cota
<zcotaweaver...>
On Wed, Nov 8, 2023 at 9:21 AM Kent McFarland <kmcfarland...>
wrote:
The 8th Hunger Mountain Winter Bird Count will be held in the Waterbury
area on Friday, December 29th. We are always looking for new participants,
regardless of experience, and anyone interested in joining can reach out to
me directly.
Zac Cota
<zcotaweaver...>
On Wed, Nov 8, 2023 at 9:21 AM Kent McFarland <kmcfarland...>
wrote:
Date: 11/13/23 10:30 am From: Maeve Kim <maevekim7...> Subject: Re: [VTBIRD] why are geese in NY rather than VT
Hi, everyone - I understand that different farming methods and machinery are or have been used in the big fields around Chazy, N.Y., resulting in more chaff and seed left on the ground than here in Vermont. Once the geese discovered that and began accustomed to heading for the eastern shore of Lake Champlain, they continued doing it. - Also, they’re using crop rotation at Dead Creek (corn is very hard on farmland) so there have been several years now with no corn close to the Goose Viewing Area on Route 17. I thought that corn was going to be planted there in 2023 or ’24.
Maeve Kim, Jericho Center
> On Nov 13, 2023, at 1:04 PM, TheVermont BirderGuy <000008ba8e52eb04-dmarc-request...> wrote:
>
> Hi all
>
> First, Sandhill Cranes are still present at Swamp and St Pierre Roads as are the Great Egrets at Missisquoi NWR (I saw my usual one along Vermont 78, someone else reported four along Jeep Trail).
>
> As for the "whiteout" we were driving home from Plattsburgh, NY and ran into a large flock and a "ginormous" flock of Snow Goose (multiple thousands) along NY State Highway 9B south of Rouse's Point. Question is "why do large gatherings of Snow Goose seem to occur on the NY side of Lake Champlain primarily? More and larger corn stubble fields?
>
> Ducks seem plentiful this weekend at Sand Bar SP, Dillenbach and Saint A Bays. Large groups of scaup, hoodies, buffleheads, ring-neckeds. Six loons at Dillenbech Bay.
>
> Photos here, top three posts: https://thevermontbirderguy.org/ >
> Thanks, The Vermont Birder Guy (aka Gary), Sheldon
> https://thevermontbirderguy.org/
Date: 11/13/23 10:05 am From: TheVermont BirderGuy <000008ba8e52eb04-dmarc-request...> Subject: [VTBIRD] I Saw a "Whiteout" This Weekend and Other VT Birds [NY/VT]
Hi all
First, Sandhill Cranes are still present at Swamp and St Pierre Roads as are the Great Egrets at Missisquoi NWR (I saw my usual one along Vermont 78, someone else reported four along Jeep Trail).
As for the "whiteout" we were driving home from Plattsburgh, NY and ran into a large flock and a "ginormous" flock of Snow Goose (multiple thousands) along NY State Highway 9B south of Rouse's Point. Question is "why do large gatherings of Snow Goose seem to occur on the NY side of Lake Champlain primarily? More and larger corn stubble fields?
Ducks seem plentiful this weekend at Sand Bar SP, Dillenbach and Saint A Bays. Large groups of scaup, hoodies, buffleheads, ring-neckeds. Six loons at Dillenbech Bay.
_In an information-rich world, the wealth of information means a dearth of something else: a scarcity of whatever it is that information consumes. What information consumes is rather obvious: it consumes the attention of its recipients. Hence a wealth of information creates a poverty of attention._H Simon, Nobel Laureate
Date: 11/9/23 9:57 am From: Kent McFarland <kmcfarland...> Subject: [VTBIRD] VT CBC dates and locations
Hi folks Check out the latest news post on eBird Vermont for dates and locations of CBC in the state - https://ebird.org/vt/home. I have made many updates today and as I get more dates, I will keep updating the post. Thanks, Kent ____________________________
Kent McFarland (he/him) Vermont Center for Ecostudies PO Box 420 | Norwich, Vermont 05055
Always a joy when the Great Horned Owls have a chat from the big pine by my garage. Got my attention even though the house is closed up tight with the heat on. Just another good reason for the TV to stay off.
Champlain Islands is Sunday, Dec 17. Contact Terry Marron (
<tgmarron...>)
Franklin East is Saturday, Dec 30. Contact Annette Goyne (
<annette.goyne...>)
Ken Copenhaver
On Wed, Nov 8, 2023 at 3:38 PM Sally Laughlin <sblaughlininvt...>
wrote:
Date: 11/7/23 7:18 am From: TheVermont BirderGuy <000008ba8e52eb04-dmarc-request...> Subject: [VTBIRD] Sandhill Crane Still Present and Other Weekend Birds [Franklin]
Hi all
Seen again this morning. Photos in first two blog posts here https://thevermontbirderguy.org/ as well as a new U. S. Forest Service bird research article.
Date: 11/6/23 6:58 am From: R Stewart <2cnewbirds...> Subject: [VTBIRD] Winhall Christmas Bird Count - Dec 16.
I am recruiting local birders and nature enthusiasts to join the CHRISTMAS BIRD COUNT in the Winhall, VT area on Saturday, *December 16, 2023*. This is a day for participants to count birds from early morning to dusk covering many miles on a driving route, or to survey an hour or two in a small neighborhood area or to just check on the feeder activity from their home. Anyone can help. Please contact me off list.
Although the first Christmas Bird Count took place in 1901, this will be the 55th year for counting in the Winhall CBC which began in 1968. The Winhall 15 mile diameter count circle is centered one mile south of the four corners on Winhall Hollow Road, north of Gale Meadows. The west border is Manchester Depot, north just south of Weston village; east at the edge of Windham village and south almost to Jamaica. It encompasses the villages of Peru, Landgrove, Londonderry, S. Londonderry, Bondville, and Rawsonville as well as Stratton, Bromley and Magic Ski areas. Many counters are needed to cover this circle. Particularly important are counts from people living within this area who are feeding the birds.
Ruth Stewart E. Dorset VT <stewdor7...> or 802.362.1185
Date: 11/5/23 7:41 pm From: Barbara Powers <barkiepvt...> Subject: Re: [VTBIRD] ebird help
You could try deleting the app and then downloading it again. That might remove the stored phone information. I’ve done it with game apps a
Sent from my iPad
> On Nov 5, 2023, at 10:29 PM, Ken Ostermiller <ostermik...> wrote:
> I believe that the smartphone app no longer stores the checklists you have
> submitted on the phone. Your phone shows you a list of the checklists that
> are stored in eBird. You can edit them and your phone accesses what is
> stored on eBird. There is no way to mass delete checklists in eBird. I have
> the iPhone version. I believe the Android app works similarly, but I am not
> sure.
>
> Ken Ostermiller
>
> On Sun, Nov 5, 2023 at 9:30 PM R Stewart <2cnewbirds...> wrote:
>
>> Is there a way to globally delete submitted checklists on my smart phone?
>> I know I can do it one by one by swiping left.
>>
>> --
>> Ruth Stewart
>> E. Dorset VT
Date: 11/5/23 7:41 pm From: Barbara Powers <barkiepvt...> Subject: Re: [VTBIRD] ebird help
You could try deleting the app from your phone and then downloading it again. That might remove the stored phone information. I’ve done it with game apps and it works.
Barbara Powers
Sent from my iPad
> On Nov 5, 2023, at 10:29 PM, Ken Ostermiller <ostermik...> wrote:
>
> I believe that the smartphone app no longer stores the checklists you have
> submitted on the phone. Your phone shows you a list of the checklists that
> are stored in eBird. You can edit them and your phone accesses what is
> stored on eBird. There is no way to mass delete checklists in eBird. I have
> the iPhone version. I believe the Android app works similarly, but I am not
> sure.
>
> Ken Ostermiller
>
>> On Sun, Nov 5, 2023 at 9:30 PM R Stewart <2cnewbirds...> wrote:
>>
>> Is there a way to globally delete submitted checklists on my smart phone?
>> I know I can do it one by one by swiping left.
>>
>> --
>> Ruth Stewart
>> E. Dorset VT
>>
Date: 11/5/23 7:30 pm From: Ken Ostermiller <ostermik...> Subject: Re: [VTBIRD] ebird help
I believe that the smartphone app no longer stores the checklists you have
submitted on the phone. Your phone shows you a list of the checklists that
are stored in eBird. You can edit them and your phone accesses what is
stored on eBird. There is no way to mass delete checklists in eBird. I have
the iPhone version. I believe the Android app works similarly, but I am not
sure.
Ken Ostermiller
On Sun, Nov 5, 2023 at 9:30 PM R Stewart <2cnewbirds...> wrote:
> Is there a way to globally delete submitted checklists on my smart phone?
> I know I can do it one by one by swiping left.
>
> --
> Ruth Stewart
> E. Dorset VT
>
Date: 11/5/23 6:58 pm From: Richard Littauer <richard.littauer...> Subject: Re: [VTBIRD] ebird help
If you mean deleting checklists which are not yet submitted, I don't know a
way of deleting them all easily besides swiping. If you mean deleting
checklists that you have already submitted to eBird, but through your phone
- I don't know of a way to do that, either.
Good luck!
Best,
R
On Sun, Nov 5, 2023 at 8:30 PM R Stewart <2cnewbirds...> wrote:
> Is there a way to globally delete submitted checklists on my smart phone?
> I know I can do it one by one by swiping left.
>
> --
> Ruth Stewart
> E. Dorset VT
>
