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6/17/19 3:42 pm Joseph Hood <jhood001...> [texbirds] Re: Mexican Violetear, Reagan Wells (Uvalde Co.) YES
6/17/19 5:56 am Anthony Hewetson <fattonybirds...> [texbirds] Highlights from Plains BBS
6/16/19 1:42 pm Dan Smith <dan...> [texbirds] Re: Gray Gull on Galveston east beach
6/16/19 11:52 am Berner Family <dmarc-noreply...> (Redacted sender jcazberner for DMARC) [texbirds] Close up juvenile Brown Booby Texas City Dike
6/16/19 11:05 am David McDonald <dkmmdpa...> [texbirds] Gray Gull on Galveston east beach
6/15/19 5:05 pm Rex Stanford <calidris.bairdii...> [texbirds] Re: Potential LAVA GULL at Galveston East Beach/Appfel Park
6/15/19 4:11 pm Troy Hibbitts <alterna2627...> [texbirds] Re: Potential LAVA GULL at Galveston East Beach/Appfel Park
6/15/19 2:53 pm MARTIN HAGNE <dmarc-noreply...> (Redacted sender martinhagne for DMARC) [texbirds] Re: Potential LAVA GULL at Galveston East Beach/Appfel Park
6/15/19 2:48 pm Bill Eisele <transportationbill...> [texbirds] Re: Potential LAVA GULL at Galveston East Beach/Appfel Park
6/15/19 10:52 am Mary Beth Stowe <mbstowe...> [texbirds] Yellow-green Vireo LRGV
6/15/19 10:43 am Troy Hibbitts <alterna2627...> [texbirds] Potential LAVA GULL at Galveston East Beach/Appfel Park
6/14/19 6:29 pm Susan Schaezler <susan...> [texbirds] Wild Turkey @ Old Wiederstein Rd
6/14/19 4:14 pm Petra Hockey <phockey...> [texbirds] Update: Ganado Kite Capital of the Coastal Bend
6/11/19 8:17 pm Garett Hodne <garyhodne...> [texbirds] Only Texas Pelagic Trip in 2019 still need Participants
6/10/19 8:57 am Mark Lockwood <mwlockwood402...> [texbirds] Re: Odd oriole at Fort Pena Colorado Park, Marathon, Brewster County
6/10/19 12:23 am Charmaine Ganson <cgtimes2...> [texbirds] Re: texbirds Digest V8 #158
6/9/19 4:57 pm Joseph Kennedy <josephkennedy36...> [texbirds] Pictures from last week from the coast
6/9/19 4:29 pm Keith Arnold <kbarnold2...> [texbirds] Re: Odd oriole at Fort Pena Colorado Park, Marathon, Brewster County
6/9/19 2:29 pm Anthony Hewetson <fattonybirds...> [texbirds] Lubbock Area Birding Summary for May - Long
6/9/19 9:14 am Mark Lockwood <mwlockwood402...> [texbirds] Odd oriole at Fort Pena Colorado Park, Marathon, Brewster County
6/9/19 9:14 am Lamont Brown <lamont...> [texbirds] Miller Creek Reservoir South side heavy flooding NCTX local interest
6/8/19 9:44 am Susan Strasevicz <susanstrasevicz...> [texbirds] Canon 7D
6/7/19 9:15 pm Justin Bosler <justin.bosler...> [texbirds] Mexican Violetear, Reagan Wells (Uvalde Co.) YES
6/7/19 9:02 pm Justin Bosler <justin.bosler...> [texbirds] Clay-colored Thrush, Rio Frio (Real Co.) NO
6/7/19 7:53 pm justin.bosler <justin.bosler...> [texbirds] Yellow-green Vireo, Marathon (Brewster Co.) YES
6/7/19 4:43 pm Joseph Kennedy <josephkennedy36...> [texbirds] East Beach to Anahuac today. Regulars and a few goodies
6/7/19 11:00 am Susan Strasevicz <susanstrasevicz...> [texbirds] Canon EOS 7D
6/6/19 8:44 am Mark Lockwood <mwlockwood402...> [texbirds] Brown-crested Flycatcher at The Post
6/5/19 11:17 am Joseph Kennedy <josephkennedy36...> [texbirds] Galveston to Winnie Monday, summer setting in
6/5/19 7:09 am Anthony Hewetson <fattonybirds...> [texbirds] 2019 eBird Game - May Report - of Interest to TCC/eBird Folk
6/5/19 6:46 am Anthony Hewetson <fattonybirds...> [texbirds] 2019 Photographic Game - May Report
6/4/19 1:00 pm Collins, Fred (Commissioner Pct. 3) <Fred.Collins...> [texbirds] FW: 23rd Birding Classic results and highlights
6/4/19 12:59 pm Collins, Fred (Commissioner Pct. 3) <Fred.Collins...> [texbirds] Re: 23rd Birding Classic results and highlights
6/4/19 11:41 am John Blackwell <john.a.blackwell51...> [texbirds] Northern Parula
6/4/19 11:01 am Shelly Plante <dmarc-noreply...> (Redacted sender Shelly.Plante for DMARC) [texbirds] 23rd Birding Classic results and highlights
6/4/19 10:16 am Anthony Hewetson <fattonybirds...> [texbirds] Highlights from Circle Breeding Bird Survey
6/4/19 10:13 am Anthony Hewetson <fattonybirds...> [texbirds] Highlights from Post Breeding Bird Survey
6/3/19 11:32 am Nina S <dmarc-noreply...> (Redacted sender birds.nina for DMARC) [texbirds] Red Phalarope
6/3/19 9:25 am David Sarkozi <david...> [texbirds] Re: Red Phalarope Harris County 6-2-18 7 am
6/3/19 8:22 am Mark Lockwood <mwlockwood402...> [texbirds] Brown-crested Flycatcher at The Post (south of Marathon) yesterday
6/3/19 7:34 am Collins, Fred (Commissioner Pct. 3) <Fred.Collins...> [texbirds] Any follow-up on Red-breasted Meadowlark?
6/2/19 5:21 pm Susan Foster <idratherbebirding...> [texbirds] Sooty Tern at Rockport Beach Park
6/2/19 3:22 pm Susan Schaezler <susan...> [texbirds] 6-2-19 Yellow-bellied Flycatcher, Parula @ Warbler Woods Bird Sanctuary
6/2/19 2:33 pm Bill Eisele <transportationbill...> [texbirds] Re: Red Phalarope Harris County 6-2-18 7 am
6/2/19 7:20 am Susan Schaezler <susan...> [texbirds] 6-2-19 Northern Parula nesting @ Warbler Woods Bird Sanctuary
6/2/19 5:20 am Sonny Bratz <dmarc-noreply...> (Redacted sender ibratz for DMARC) [texbirds] Red Phalarope Harris County 6-2-18 7 am
6/1/19 12:26 pm John Faber <jrfabertx...> [texbirds] Re: Harris County Red Phalarope
6/1/19 8:54 am Berner Family <dmarc-noreply...> (Redacted sender jcazberner for DMARC) [texbirds] Harris County Red Phalarope
6/1/19 8:20 am Noreen Baker <gnbaker92...> [texbirds] Red Phalarope in Jersey Village
5/31/19 1:53 pm <scott...> [texbirds] Re: Bewicks Wren Help
5/31/19 7:40 am Joseph Kennedy <josephkennedy36...> [texbirds] Galveston to Anahuac Tuesday, Oystercatchers and shorebirds
5/30/19 3:28 pm John Blackwell <john.a.blackwell51...> [texbirds] Re: Bewicks Wren Help
5/30/19 3:08 pm Collins, Fred (Commissioner Pct. 3) <Fred.Collins...> [texbirds] Re: Bewicks Wren Help
5/30/19 11:55 am Mark and Brenda Steuer <steuers...> [texbirds] Re: Bewicks Wren Help
5/30/19 11:47 am John Blackwell <john.a.blackwell51...> [texbirds] Re: Bewicks Wren Help
5/29/19 11:01 pm Tad Finnell <tadcipiter...> [texbirds] Re: Bewicks Wren Help
5/29/19 8:47 pm <mitch...> [texbirds] Re: Bewicks Wren Help
5/29/19 3:57 pm Frank Ohrt <fgohrt...> [texbirds] Re: Bewicks Wren Help
5/29/19 2:40 pm Lea Simmons <lsimmons1575...> [texbirds] Re: Mary Jo Ballator's passing
5/29/19 2:30 pm Jennifer Miller <foundnatureblog...> [texbirds] Mary Jo Ballator's passing
5/29/19 1:42 pm <scott...> [texbirds] Re: Bewicks Wren Help
5/28/19 3:14 pm John Blackwell <john.a.blackwell51...> [texbirds] Bewicks Wren Help
5/28/19 7:52 am <fcndc...> [texbirds] Re: First Williamson Co. Couch's Kingbird breeding record
5/27/19 12:48 pm Brush Freeman <brushfreeman...> [texbirds] Re: First Williamson Co. Couch's Kingbird breeding record
5/27/19 10:23 am Brush Freeman <brushfreeman...> [texbirds] First Williamson Co. Couch's Kingbird breeding record
5/27/19 6:08 am Susan Schaezler <susan...> [texbirds] 5-27-19 Nightjar Hike Tonight @ Warbler Woods Bird Sanctuary
5/26/19 7:12 am Susan Schaezler <susan...> [texbirds] 5-25-19 Three warbler sp @ Warbler Woods Bird Sanctuary
5/25/19 8:39 pm Chuck Carlson <carchuck...> [texbirds] Re: Ebird
5/25/19 6:12 pm Chuck Davis <chuck...> [texbirds] Re: Ebird
5/25/19 4:57 pm Justin Bosler <justin.bosler...> [texbirds] Re: Ebird
5/25/19 1:51 pm Joseph Kennedy <josephkennedy36...> [texbirds] Banded oystercatchers, bolivar flats Thursday
5/25/19 1:35 pm James Hailey <irasciblej...> [texbirds] Ebird
5/25/19 12:01 pm Joseph Kennedy <josephkennedy36...> [texbirds] East Beach to Galveston for Oystercatcher Thursday
5/24/19 7:05 pm Susan Schaezler <susan...> [texbirds] 5-24-19 Pauraque, Chuck, Nighthawk @ Warbler Woods Bird Sanctuary
5/24/19 2:34 pm Collins, Fred (Commissioner Pct. 3) <Fred.Collins...> [texbirds] Houston Exotics
5/24/19 1:25 pm David Sarkozi <david...> [texbirds] Pomarine Jaeger, East Beach Galveston, TX
5/24/19 1:24 pm Collins, Fred (Commissioner Pct. 3) <Fred.Collins...> [texbirds] Re: Bins or Lens and why the divide?
5/24/19 12:28 pm Clay Taylor <Clay.Taylor...> [texbirds] Re: Bins or Lens and why the divide?
5/24/19 11:37 am Keith Arnold <kbarnold2...> [texbirds] Re: Bins or Lens and why the divide?
5/24/19 11:33 am Keith Arnold <kbarnold2...> [texbirds] Re: Bins or Lens and why the divide?
5/24/19 10:28 am Brush Freeman <brushfreeman...> [texbirds] Re: Bins or Lens and why the divide?
5/24/19 9:56 am Clay Taylor <Clay.Taylor...> [texbirds] Re: Bins or Lens and why the divide?
5/24/19 8:18 am Timothy Brush <timothy.brush...> [texbirds] Re: Bins or Lens and why the divide?
5/23/19 11:07 pm Tad Finnell <tadcipiter...> [texbirds] Re: Bins or Lens and why the divide?
5/23/19 12:56 pm David Sarkozi <david...> [texbirds] Re: Bins or Lens and why the divide?
5/22/19 4:01 pm Patricia Wight <pcwight...> [texbirds] Re: Bins or Lens and why the divide?
5/22/19 3:56 pm CAROL CULIN <culi...> [texbirds] Re: Bins or Lens and why the divide?
5/22/19 3:26 pm Bob White <bobwhitebsacbc...> [texbirds] Re: Bins or Lens and why the divide?
5/22/19 2:08 pm James Hailey <irasciblej...> [texbirds] Re: Bins or Lens and why the divide?
5/22/19 1:07 pm Lea Simmons <lsimmons1575...> [texbirds] Bins or Lens and why the divide?
5/22/19 12:59 pm Brush Freeman <brushfreeman...> [texbirds] Re: Swallow-tailed Kite in far southwest Austin
5/22/19 12:15 pm marlin andrus <dmarc-noreply...> (Redacted sender marconandrus for DMARC) [texbirds] Re: Local guide
5/22/19 11:24 am Clay Taylor <Clay.Taylor...> [texbirds] Re: Swallow-tailed Kite in far southwest Austin
5/22/19 10:22 am Timothy Brush <timothy.brush...> [texbirds] Re: Nesting pair of Slate-throated Redstarts - Please Do Not Disturb
5/22/19 9:27 am James Hailey <irasciblej...> [texbirds] Local guide
5/22/19 8:37 am Justin Bosler <justin.bosler...> [texbirds] Re: Swallow-tailed Kite in far southwest Austin
5/22/19 8:22 am John Arvin <jcarvin43...> [texbirds] Swallow-tailed Kite in far southwest Austin
5/22/19 6:54 am Dennis Shepler <dawgler...> [texbirds] Re: Nesting pair of Slate-throated Redstarts - Please Do Not Disturb
5/22/19 5:18 am Tad Finnell <tadcipiter...> [texbirds] Re: Nesting pair of Slate-throated Redstarts - Please Do Not Disturb
5/22/19 5:16 am Dan Smith <dan...> [texbirds] Migrating land birds in Tiger Shark diets
5/21/19 4:17 pm Brush Freeman <brushfreeman...> [texbirds] Re: Nesting pair of Slate-throated Redstarts - Please Do Not Disturb
5/21/19 3:37 pm Brush Freeman <brushfreeman...> [texbirds] Re: Nesting pair of Slate-throated Redstarts - Please Do Not Disturb
5/21/19 2:32 pm Justin Bosler <justin.bosler...> [texbirds] Re: Nesting pair of Slate-throated Redstarts - Please Do Not Disturb
5/21/19 1:45 pm Keith Arnold <kbarnold2...> [texbirds] Re: Nesting pair of Slate-throated Redstarts - Please Do Not Disturb
5/21/19 12:23 pm David Sarkozi <david...> [texbirds] Re: Nesting pair of Slate-throated Redstarts - Please Do Not Disturb
5/20/19 2:15 pm Susan Schaezler <susan...> [texbirds] 5-20-19 Warblers, Black-billed @ Warbler Woods Bird Sanctuary
5/20/19 11:51 am Brush Freeman <brushfreeman...> [texbirds] Re: Nesting pair of Slate-throated Redstarts - Please Do Not Disturb
5/20/19 11:10 am Brush Freeman <brushfreeman...> [texbirds] Re: Nesting pair of Slate-throated Redstarts - Please Do Not Disturb
5/20/19 9:50 am Jeannette Piecznski <acourtresearch...> [texbirds] Re: Nesting pair of Slate-throated Redstarts - Please Do Not Disturb
5/20/19 9:46 am Brush Freeman <brushfreeman...> [texbirds] Re: Western Wood-Pewee in Palo Duro Canyon
5/20/19 9:43 am Brush Freeman <brushfreeman...> [texbirds] Re: Nesting pair of Slate-throated Redstarts - Please Do Not Disturb
5/20/19 8:27 am Kleb Woods (Commissioner Pct. 3) <klebwoods...> [texbirds] More Participants Needed for the Red-vented Bulbul Survey in Houston - June 1
5/20/19 8:26 am Susan Schaezler <susan...> [texbirds] 5-20-19 BLACK-BILLED CUCKOO w/photos @ Warbler Woods Bird Sanctuary
5/20/19 8:25 am Mark Lockwood <mwlockwood402...> [texbirds] Re: Western Wood-Pewee in Palo Duro Canyon
5/20/19 7:54 am Barrett Pierce <bpierce...> [texbirds] Re: Western Wood-Pewee in Palo Duro Canyon
5/20/19 7:23 am justin.bosler <justin.bosler...> [texbirds] Re: Nesting pair of Slate-throated Redstarts - Please Do Not Disturb
5/20/19 7:18 am Clay Taylor <Clay.Taylor...> [texbirds] Re: Nesting pair of Slate-throated Redstarts - Please Do Not Disturb
5/20/19 7:08 am sdyost <dmarc-noreply...> (Redacted sender sdyost for DMARC) [texbirds] Re: Nesting pair of Slate-throated Redstarts - Please Do Not Disturb
5/20/19 7:05 am justin.bosler <justin.bosler...> [texbirds] Re: Nesting pair of Slate-throated Redstarts - Please Do Not Disturb
5/20/19 6:18 am Clay Taylor <Clay.Taylor...> [texbirds] Re: Nesting pair of Slate-throated Redstarts - Please Do Not Disturb
5/20/19 5:26 am Brush Freeman <brushfreeman...> [texbirds] Re: Nesting pair of Slate-throated Redstarts - Please Do Not Disturb
5/20/19 4:34 am Jim Weber <jweber...> [texbirds] Nesting pair of Slate-throated Redstarts - Please Do Not Disturb
 
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Date: 6/17/19 3:42 pm
From: Joseph Hood <jhood001...>
Subject: [texbirds] Re: Mexican Violetear, Reagan Wells (Uvalde Co.) YES


The continuing Mexican Violetear visited the nectar feeder at the residence
at Reagan Wells regularly from 7:00 am through 11:00 am on 6-16-19, vying
with the many black-chinned hummingbirds present at the feeder. Many thanks
to the homeowners for their kind hospitality as well as to Robert Rasa for
acting as our guide/liaison.



Joseph M. Hood, M.Ed., D.C.

Austin, TX



On Fri Jun 7 2019 23:15 pm, Justin.bosler AT gmail.com wrote:


Subject: Mexican Violetear, Reagan Wells (Uvalde Co.) YES
Date: Fri Jun 7 2019 23:15 pm
From: justin.bosler AT gmail.com





Texbirds,



The Mexican Violetear continued through yesterday, 6 June, at a private
residence on the Dry Frio River near Reagan Wells in Uvalde County. It's
been frequenting the feeders there for about 3 weeks now. Please see
facebook Texbirds or Texas Chase Birds for information regarding access or
contact me directly.



Good birding!Justin BoslerSanderson, Texas




 

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Date: 6/17/19 5:56 am
From: Anthony Hewetson <fattonybirds...>
Subject: [texbirds] Highlights from Plains BBS
Greetings All:

I completed the Plains Breeding Bird Survey on Saturday and, while I
hope to post a full reports at some point, thought I would get the
highlights out a bit sooner.

Yoakum County highlight: 1 Scaled Quail north of Plains.

Cochran County highlights: 1 Scaled Quail southwest of Lehman, 2
Scaled Quails west-southwest of Lehman, 1 Scaled Quail a bi further
north, 2 Scaled Quails a bit further north, 1 Scaled Quail west of
Lehman, 2 Say's Phoebes southwest of Lehman, and 1 male Bronzed
Cowbird west of Lehman.

On the way home Cochran County kicked 2 Black-necked Stilts and 2
American Avocets at the Lehman Playa, 4 American Avocets west of
Whiteface, and 1 male Bronzed Cowbird in Whiteface.

The sole highlight from Hockley County during the morning yielded 4
Scaled Quails at the Smyer Playa.

Much later in the day, Drew Harvey took Phillip Kite and I out herping
and we managed a few nocturnal highlights. Drew and Phillip had 6
American Avocets near Hale Center, Hale County and I had 2
Black-necked Stilts and 4 American Avocets near Edmonson, Hale County.

Anthony Hewetson; Lubbock
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Date: 6/16/19 1:42 pm
From: Dan Smith <dan...>
Subject: [texbirds] Re: Gray Gull on Galveston east beach
Hi Texbirders,

I don’t really have an opinion on this bird’s identity, but I can tell you that container ships do indeed traverse the Panama Canal. I was there in 2009 and watched multiple container ships go through the Miraflores locks, and there are multiple recent videos of containers ships going through the newer, wider locks. Here’s a link to one of them, but if you do a search on “do container ships go through the Panama Canal?” you’ll find several examples.

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=do+container+ships+go+through+the+Panama+Canal%3f&view=detail&mid=C8428A10A2F56AE01EE8C8428A10A2F56AE01EE8&FORM=VIRE <https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=do+container+ships+go+through+the+Panama+Canal?&view=detail&mid=C8428A10A2F56AE01EE8C8428A10A2F56AE01EE8&FORM=VIRE>

Dan Smith
<dan...> <mailto:<dan...>
512-451-2632
http://www.wordsmithofaustin.com <http://www.wordsmithofaustin.com/>

"Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gains.” Thomas Jefferson, 1814.




> On Jun 16, 2019, at 1:04 PM, David McDonald <dkmmdpa...> wrote:
>
> Hi Texbirders,
>
> I was intrigued by this report of the gray gull on East Beach Galveston. I was hoping for a positive ID as a Lava Gull,.
>
> I decided to do some research to see if even a possibility that it could be. All it took was looking at Avibase checklists for all the countries on the Pacific coast of North, Central and South America to see if this species has been spotted in any of these countries.
>
> Zero, zip, nada - not even mainland Ecuador.
>
> In addition, I have birded Panama and the guide told me the container ships traversing the canal zone actually do not go through the canal as too expensive. All the containers are offloaded and go by train across the isthmus and they reloaded onto a sister ship for the rest of the journey.
>
> So I think we can say it is an impossibility that the first ever Lava Gull on mainland Americas is in Galveston.
>
> David McDonald
> Friendswood TX
>


 

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Date: 6/16/19 11:52 am
From: Berner Family <dmarc-noreply...> (Redacted sender jcazberner for DMARC)
Subject: [texbirds] Close up juvenile Brown Booby Texas City Dike
Trxbirders:Anybody interested in photographing/seeing a very closeup young Brown Booby. Just had one now 1:45PM Texas City Dike. Less than 20 feet from road. On large pink granite rocks. 0.6 miles out from the $5 payment booth on the right/south side of dike just before the docked shrimp boats. Bird Was placid and not disturbed by the many nearby passing vehicles.
John BernerW. Houston


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone

 

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Date: 6/16/19 11:05 am
From: David McDonald <dkmmdpa...>
Subject: [texbirds] Gray Gull on Galveston east beach
Hi Texbirders,

I was intrigued by this report of the gray gull on East Beach Galveston.
I was hoping for a positive ID as a Lava Gull,.

I decided to do some research to see if even a possibility that it could
be. All it took was looking at Avibase checklists for all the countries on
the Pacific coast of North, Central and South America to see if this
species has been spotted in any of these countries.

Zero, zip, nada - not even mainland Ecuador.

In addition, I have birded Panama and the guide told me the container ships
traversing the canal zone actually do not go through the canal as too
expensive. All the containers are offloaded and go by train across the
isthmus and they reloaded onto a sister ship for the rest of the journey.

So I think we can say it is an impossibility that the first ever Lava Gull
on mainland Americas is in Galveston.

David McDonald
Friendswood TX

 

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Date: 6/15/19 5:05 pm
From: Rex Stanford <calidris.bairdii...>
Subject: [texbirds] Re: Potential LAVA GULL at Galveston East Beach/Appfel Park
Which species is at hand needs to be considered on the basis of strength of
argument(s) for a claimed species and contrasted with strength of arguments
for alternative(s). In terms of evidence, it would be interesting if
someone could show us (or tell us where to find) a photo(s) known to be of
any form of Laughing Gull--aberrant, melantistic, or whatever it might be
called--that has a tail (situated within a rear end) that is anything like
that on the gull found by Troy Hibbitts, as well as possessing any other
Lava Gull consonant characteristics that might be deemed present in his
photo set. Would this presumed Laughing Gull be more like the one in
Hibbitts' photo than is the Lava Gull? Which would have the stronger
resemblance to Hibbitts' find? Very important, in the end, would be
whether a bird resembling Lava Gull is similar enough to conclude that it
is that species. Even if Hibbitts' find resembled Lava Gull more than a
Laughing Gull alternative, would it be similar enough to be convincing
relative to that species (as there might be other alternatives--other
similar species or genetic oddities--out there)?

Rex Stanford
Weslaco, TX.

On Sat, Jun 15, 2019 at 6:11 PM Troy Hibbitts <alterna2627...> wrote:

> While Im not certain whether "the jury is in" or not on the dark gull at
> Galveston, I am pretty confident that Bill and I photographed different
> birds (his image appears to a lighter individual)
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>
> On Sat, Jun 15, 2019 at 16:48, Bill Eisele
> <transportationbill...> wrote:
> Troy,
> This was an email I was hoping I might see.
> I saw this "all gray gull" early Monday morning on the jetty. Slightly
> larger than the nearby laughing gulls. I do not have a good camera, but I
> snapped a bad picture or two (and deleted most of them), but I kept one
> (shot through my scope with my camera). The ID of this bird was eating at
> me, and I was hoping someone would post an "all gray gull" from the beach
> area. I'm far from a gull expert. I have updated my list accordingly, based
> upon your insights, photos and ID. There were many ships coming through
> the day I was there too - so perhaps this bird was a ship assist.
>
> Here is my updated eBird list: https://ebird.org/view/checklist/S57289160
>
> My updated notes on the bird are as follows in my eBird post - I am happy
> to update as the experts weigh in:
> *Found, identified and photographed much better by Troy Hibbitts on 14
> June (https://ebird.org/view/checklist/S57365113
> <https://ebird.org/view/checklist/S57365113>). When I read Troy's TexBirds
> post, I was delighted because it described this mystery bird I saw out on
> the jetty while searching for the Jaeger on this day (and on 14 June I am
> updating my eBird post). The bird was all gray on top and bottom, and I
> passed it off as an odd laughing gull although it did appear slightly
> larger than the laughing gulls near it, and it appeared to have all black
> primaries with no white. I snapped a couple poor photos and thought to
> myself - "maybe those poor photos will be useful if someone else happens to
> post an overall gray gull at East Beach in the coming days." I'm far from a
> gull expert so I didn't pursue it further because I had to leave the beach,
> and I didn't have a chance to get back to it - so, I tried to let it go,
> but it was eating at me - and then Troy's email was posted on TexBirds on
> 15 June. As Troy indicated, there were many ships in the channel - as far
> as the eye could see on this day. Perhaps this gull was a ship assist. I
> will leave this description in here for now, but I do look forward to the
> experts weighing in. My horrible photo through the scope doesn't do it
> justice - Troy's pictures from 14 June are far better for ID.*
>
> Thank you for posting to TexBirds because I am not on Facebook.
>
> cheers,
> Bill Eisele
> College Station, TX
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jun 15, 2019 at 12:42 PM Troy Hibbitts <alterna2627...>
> wrote:
>
> Just putting the word out for those who don't use facebook. Yesterday
> morning, my wife and I extensively photographed at close range a possible
> Lava Gull at Galveston East Beach free parking area. While the experts are
> debating the ID, I thought it best to get the word out and folks out
> looking.
>
> eBird Checklist - 14 Jun 2019 - Galveston--Apffel Park / East Beach (UTC
> 062) - 32 species <https://ebird.org/view/checklist/S57365113>
>
> eBird Checklist - 14 Jun 2019 - Galveston--Apffel Park / East Beach (UTC...
>
> Submitted by Troy Hibbitts.
> <https://ebird.org/view/checklist/S57365113>
>
>
>
> Troy Hibbitts
>
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Date: 6/15/19 4:11 pm
From: Troy Hibbitts <alterna2627...>
Subject: [texbirds] Re: Potential LAVA GULL at Galveston East Beach/Appfel Park
While Im not certain whether "the jury is in" or not on the dark gull at Galveston, I am pretty confident that Bill and I photographed different birds (his image appears to a lighter individual)

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android

On Sat, Jun 15, 2019 at 16:48, Bill Eisele<transportationbill...> wrote: Troy, This was an email I was hoping I might see.  I saw this "all gray gull" early Monday morning on the jetty. Slightly larger than the nearby laughing gulls. I do not have a good camera, but I snapped a bad picture or two (and deleted most of them), but I kept one (shot through my scope with my camera). The ID of this bird was eating at me, and I was hoping someone would post an "all gray gull" from the beach area. I'm far from a gull expert. I have updated my list accordingly, based upon your insights, photos and ID.  There were many ships coming through the day I was there too - so perhaps this bird was a ship assist. 
Here is my updated eBird list: https://ebird.org/view/checklist/S57289160
My updated notes on the bird are as follows in my eBird post - I am happy to update as the experts weigh in: Found, identified and photographed much better by Troy Hibbitts on 14 June (https://ebird.org/view/checklist/S57365113). When I read Troy's TexBirds post, I was delighted because it described this mystery bird I saw out on the jetty while searching for the Jaeger on this day (and on 14 June I am updating my eBird post). The bird was all gray on top and bottom, and I passed it off as an odd laughing gull although it did appear slightly larger than the laughing gulls near it, and it appeared to have all black primaries with no white. I snapped a couple poor photos and thought to myself - "maybe those poor photos will be useful if someone else happens to post an overall gray gull at East Beach in the coming days." I'm far from a gull expert so I didn't pursue it further because I had to leave the beach, and I didn't have a chance to get back to it - so, I tried to let it go, but it was eating at me - and then Troy's email was posted on TexBirds on 15 June. As Troy indicated, there were many ships in the channel - as far as the eye could see on this day. Perhaps this gull was a ship assist. I will leave this description in here for now, but I do look forward to the experts weighing in. My horrible photo through the scope doesn't do it justice - Troy's pictures from 14 June are far better for ID.

Thank you for posting to TexBirds because I am not on Facebook. 
cheers, Bill EiseleCollege Station, TX 





On Sat, Jun 15, 2019 at 12:42 PM Troy Hibbitts <alterna2627...> wrote:

Just putting the word out for those who don't use facebook.  Yesterday morning, my wife and I extensively photographed at close range a possible Lava Gull at Galveston East Beach free parking area.  While the experts are debating the ID, I thought it best to get the word out and folks out looking.

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Date: 6/15/19 2:53 pm
From: MARTIN HAGNE <dmarc-noreply...> (Redacted sender martinhagne for DMARC)
Subject: [texbirds] Re: Potential LAVA GULL at Galveston East Beach/Appfel Park
Hi Bill and all,

The bird has now been identified as an odd plumages Laughing Gull. Melanistic I believe. So it’s not a Lava.

Best, Martin

Martin Hagne
Lake Jackson, TX

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> On Jun 15, 2019, at 4:47 PM, Bill Eisele <transportationbill...> wrote:
>
> Troy,
> This was an email I was hoping I might see.
> I saw this "all gray gull" early Monday morning on the jetty. Slightly larger than the nearby laughing gulls. I do not have a good camera, but I snapped a bad picture or two (and deleted most of them), but I kept one (shot through my scope with my camera). The ID of this bird was eating at me, and I was hoping someone would post an "all gray gull" from the beach area. I'm far from a gull expert. I have updated my list accordingly, based upon your insights, photos and ID. There were many ships coming through the day I was there too - so perhaps this bird was a ship assist.
>
> Here is my updated eBird list: https://ebird.org/view/checklist/S57289160
>
> My updated notes on the bird are as follows in my eBird post - I am happy to update as the experts weigh in:
> Found, identified and photographed much better by Troy Hibbitts on 14 June (https://ebird.org/view/checklist/S57365113). When I read Troy's TexBirds post, I was delighted because it described this mystery bird I saw out on the jetty while searching for the Jaeger on this day (and on 14 June I am updating my eBird post). The bird was all gray on top and bottom, and I passed it off as an odd laughing gull although it did appear slightly larger than the laughing gulls near it, and it appeared to have all black primaries with no white. I snapped a couple poor photos and thought to myself - "maybe those poor photos will be useful if someone else happens to post an overall gray gull at East Beach in the coming days." I'm far from a gull expert so I didn't pursue it further because I had to leave the beach, and I didn't have a chance to get back to it - so, I tried to let it go, but it was eating at me - and then Troy's email was posted on TexBirds on 15 June. As Troy indicated, there were many ships in the channel - as far as the eye could see on this day. Perhaps this gull was a ship assist. I will leave this description in here for now, but I do look forward to the experts weighing in. My horrible photo through the scope doesn't do it justice - Troy's pictures from 14 June are far better for ID.
>
> Thank you for posting to TexBirds because I am not on Facebook.
>
> cheers,
> Bill Eisele
> College Station, TX
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>> On Sat, Jun 15, 2019 at 12:42 PM Troy Hibbitts <alterna2627...> wrote:
>> Just putting the word out for those who don't use facebook. Yesterday morning, my wife and I extensively photographed at close range a possible Lava Gull at Galveston East Beach free parking area. While the experts are debating the ID, I thought it best to get the word out and folks out looking.
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>> eBird Checklist - 14 Jun 2019 - Galveston--Apffel Park / East Beach (UTC 062) - 32 species
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Date: 6/15/19 2:48 pm
From: Bill Eisele <transportationbill...>
Subject: [texbirds] Re: Potential LAVA GULL at Galveston East Beach/Appfel Park
Troy,
This was an email I was hoping I might see.
I saw this "all gray gull" early Monday morning on the jetty. Slightly
larger than the nearby laughing gulls. I do not have a good camera, but I
snapped a bad picture or two (and deleted most of them), but I kept one
(shot through my scope with my camera). The ID of this bird was eating at
me, and I was hoping someone would post an "all gray gull" from the beach
area. I'm far from a gull expert. I have updated my list accordingly, based
upon your insights, photos and ID. There were many ships coming through
the day I was there too - so perhaps this bird was a ship assist.

Here is my updated eBird list: https://ebird.org/view/checklist/S57289160

My updated notes on the bird are as follows in my eBird post - I am happy
to update as the experts weigh in:
*Found, identified and photographed much better by Troy Hibbitts on 14 June
(https://ebird.org/view/checklist/S57365113
<https://ebird.org/view/checklist/S57365113>). When I read Troy's TexBirds
post, I was delighted because it described this mystery bird I saw out on
the jetty while searching for the Jaeger on this day (and on 14 June I am
updating my eBird post). The bird was all gray on top and bottom, and I
passed it off as an odd laughing gull although it did appear slightly
larger than the laughing gulls near it, and it appeared to have all black
primaries with no white. I snapped a couple poor photos and thought to
myself - "maybe those poor photos will be useful if someone else happens to
post an overall gray gull at East Beach in the coming days." I'm far from a
gull expert so I didn't pursue it further because I had to leave the beach,
and I didn't have a chance to get back to it - so, I tried to let it go,
but it was eating at me - and then Troy's email was posted on TexBirds on
15 June. As Troy indicated, there were many ships in the channel - as far
as the eye could see on this day. Perhaps this gull was a ship assist. I
will leave this description in here for now, but I do look forward to the
experts weighing in. My horrible photo through the scope doesn't do it
justice - Troy's pictures from 14 June are far better for ID.*

Thank you for posting to TexBirds because I am not on Facebook.

cheers,
Bill Eisele
College Station, TX






On Sat, Jun 15, 2019 at 12:42 PM Troy Hibbitts <alterna2627...> wrote:

> Just putting the word out for those who don't use facebook. Yesterday
> morning, my wife and I extensively photographed at close range a possible
> Lava Gull at Galveston East Beach free parking area. While the experts are
> debating the ID, I thought it best to get the word out and folks out
> looking.
>
> eBird Checklist - 14 Jun 2019 - Galveston--Apffel Park / East Beach (UTC
> 062) - 32 species <https://ebird.org/view/checklist/S57365113>
>
> eBird Checklist - 14 Jun 2019 - Galveston--Apffel Park / East Beach (UTC...
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> Submitted by Troy Hibbitts.
> <https://ebird.org/view/checklist/S57365113>
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>
>
> Troy Hibbitts
>

 

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Date: 6/15/19 10:52 am
From: Mary Beth Stowe <mbstowe...>
Subject: [texbirds] Yellow-green Vireo LRGV
Hi, all,



Had a singing Yellow-green Vireo along Palmito Hill Road this morning, which
is off Boca Chica Boulevard and near the refuge tract; Palmito Hill makes a
three-sided square before you come to a "residential" area, and the bird was
along the "third side" just before the road swings left towards the homes.
A recording is on my eBird checklist:



https://ebird.org/view/checklist/S57396260



Mary Beth Stowe

Alamo, TX

www.miriameaglemon.com <http://www.miriameaglemon.com>




 

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Date: 6/15/19 10:43 am
From: Troy Hibbitts <alterna2627...>
Subject: [texbirds] Potential LAVA GULL at Galveston East Beach/Appfel Park
Just putting the word out for those who don't use facebook.  Yesterday morning, my wife and I extensively photographed at close range a possible Lava Gull at Galveston East Beach free parking area.  While the experts are debating the ID, I thought it best to get the word out and folks out looking.

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Date: 6/14/19 6:29 pm
From: Susan Schaezler <susan...>
Subject: [texbirds] Wild Turkey @ Old Wiederstein Rd
Wild Turkey @ Old Wiederstein Rd

Our neighbor, across from us, told us today that a Wild Turkey was seen crossing Old Wiederstein Rd this week—so excited—they used to come during mating season and then, crossed FM 1103 and went to a retirement community to stay the rest of the year, which pleased some, but not others. We will keep our eyes open for them!

Enjoying all the nesting birds fledging and going out on their own and having Painted Bunting coming in again! Amazing how clumsy they are in the morning and by mid-day, they are moving well and able to fly across the pond wo trouble.

We also trimmed and removed some problem trees/limbs. Two limbs were in the way of the main blind sitting area and a tree was leaning across the yard and blocking the Crape Myrtle, which the birds love. Now, the view is much better. We are also enjoying having children come and enjoy Nature!

The Northern Parula aren’t being seen each day—that was great fun when they were young. We also have a hummer nesting in the same area that lost a branch and the nest failed—hope it succeeds now.

Susan Schaezler
WarblerWoods.org, http://ebird.org/ebird/hotspot/L213585?yr=cur
501(c)(3) Cibolo/Schertz/Guadalupe County
Lone Star Land Steward Winner 2011. GCBO Site Partner
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Date: 6/14/19 4:14 pm
From: Petra Hockey <phockey...>
Subject: [texbirds] Update: Ganado Kite Capital of the Coastal Bend
Texbirders,

a follow-up visit to Devers Creek Park in Ganado to check on the status of nesting Swallow-tailed and Mississippi Kites revealed some welcome news yesterday.

There are now at least 7 Swallow-tailed Kites in the neighborhood. I saw 4 adults and 1 juvenile flying at the same time and - best news of the day - found a second nest with 2 young. One was considerably larger than the other and actively stretched its wings. A parent was feeding the young a sizable bloody red chunk that looked like it could have been a large fledgling bird.

The number of Mississippi Kites has shot up considerably. We watched 23 airborne all at once with several additional birds on nests. One nesting trees had 3 active nests and 7 adults hanging around in addition to the incubating birds. A veritable colony. Some of the nests must have small young in them as the behavior of the parents indicated as much.

One of the young Barred Owls had found itself a quiet shady day roost. Only a few down feathers are left on top of the head. The rest of the feathers look all grown up.

The 3 Red-shouldered Hawk babies are well out of the nest and on their own. They hunted clumsily mainly on the ground, looking for bugs in the mowed grass and invertebrates along the overgrown creek edge. They scream and yell incessantly. No wonder the adults were a good ways away from them.

The Yellow-crowned Night-Herons raised 2 young that were climbing around in the creekside trees, practicing picking up items and moving them around in their beak.

I saw 2 additional adult Swallow-tailed Kites over a heavily wooded area along the Lake Texana shoreline. It seems that the foothold of the species in this area is pretty solid.

Petra Hockey
Port O’Connor, Calhoun Co.


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Date: 6/11/19 8:17 pm
From: Garett Hodne <garyhodne...>
Subject: [texbirds] Only Texas Pelagic Trip in 2019 still need Participants
Hi Texbirders and Pelagic Fanatics,



The first two Texas Pelagics scheduled for 2019 on May 25th and July 27th had to be cancelled due to a lack of participants. This means there is only one chance to get offshore to see Pelagic seabirds this year on August 24th.



Click the above below to learn more about this single Texas Pelagic trips, i.e. fare, trip length, departure time, spaces remaining, etc.



<http://texaspelagics.com/2019-schedule/> 3. Sat. August 24th, 16 hour; aboard the Kingfisher from Port Aransas;



There have been two summer Texas Pelagics from Port Aransas and both were great trips with a large number of seabirds, near record numbers of seabird species and good showings of marine mammals. I personally have high hopes for continuing great trips out of Port Aransas because of the varied deep water seafloor bathymetry and the closer proximity to the Gulf's Loop Current.



WHY GO ON A TEXAS PELAGIC? Short answer – the seabirds, the marine mammals (whales and dolphins), the world's biggest fish and they are a lot of FUN!! If you talk to any of the Texas Pelagic leaders and regulars they'll probably tell you some of the most amazing seabird and wildlife encounters they've ever had in the state of Texas occurred on a Texas Pelagic.



Some of our trips over the last few years have encountered very high numbers of many of the regular pelagic seabirds:

Audubon’s & Cory’s Shearwaters, Leaches & Band-rumped Storm-Petrels, Magnificent Frigatebirds, Masked Booby, Brown Booby (now annually), Sooty & Bridled Terns and Pomarine Jaegers . In additional to those regular seabirds above we regularly (sometimes) encounter Red-billed Tropicbird, Great Shearwater, Sooty Shearwater, Long-tailed Jaeger and Parasitic Jaeger. We have also accumulated an impressive list of rarities: Manx Shearwater, Sabine’s Gull, Brown Noddy and South Polar Skua. We have now had two trips that were fortunate enough to have a mixed species flock that included both Brown Noddy and Brown Booby in the same binocular view!  And of course in Sept 2003 we had an incredible Yellow-nosed Albatross encounter! Prior to that there were 3 YNAB that had been found moribund or dead on Texas beaches. The first record of South Polar Skua for the Gulf of Mexico was seen in October 2004. And two other SPSK have been seen since from deep water Tuna fishing boats. Black-capped Petrel and Arctic Tern has been seen twice from Port O'Connor in May and July. BCPE has also been encountered at least once from deep water tuna fishing boats in Texas waters in the fall . It is exciting possibilities like this that keeps folks coming back for more. There are undoubtedly new discoveries still to be made offshore. White-tailed Tropicbird, Red-footed Booby and Wilson's Storm-Petrels will eventually be found on an organized pelagic birding trip as these birds have already been found by fisherman in Texas waters or in the case of the WTTR on a Texas beach. I've compiled a list of hypothetical future possibilities of pelagic seabirds that have either already been found in the Gulf of Mexico but not yet in Texas or occur off the East Coast of the US in the North Atlantic. Just FYI that list can be found here: <http://texaspelagics.com/seabird-occurrence/hypothetical/> http://texaspelagics.com/seabird-occurrence/hypothetical/ . Seabird galleries, checklists and bar-graphs can be found here: <http://texaspelagics.com/seabird-occurrence/> http://texaspelagics.com/seabird-occurrence/.



MARINE MAMMALS AND WHALE SHARKS: And of course, when there aren't great birds around, sometimes other marine life activity steals the show.  We routinely get Bottlenose Dolphins and Atlantic spotted dolphins on most trips. We have had frequent encounters with Whale Sharks, like the August 2011 trip where an absolutely monstrous Whale Shark bumped into the boat. Check out the photos of it about half-way through the slide-show from that trip at:

<http://www.texaspelagics.com/trips/20110827/index.html> http://www.texaspelagics.com/trips/20110827/index.html



In 2014 on one trip we saw 18+ Sperm Whales, some right next to the boat, and 250+ Melon-headed Whales that also circled the boat. Sperm Whales are the most common whale we encounter and have been seen on 7 trips with over 50 individual whales seen in total. Mesoplodon Beaked Whales and a number of other large dolphins and smaller whales have also been seen on Texas Pelagic trips. These are some of the amazing wildlife encounters you may experience on a Texas Pelagic.



If you've never been on a Texas Pelagic this is the year you should try one or two. If it's been a long time since you've been on a Texas Pelagic come back this year and see how much fun they can be. If you're afraid of seasickness try using the Transderm Scop patch (prescription needed) and enjoy a day at sea with our great pelagic leaders and groups. These trips are also a great way to spend a hot summer weekend out birding where it is definitely cooler offshore than it is onshore. If you're still unconvinced check out the testimonials from our participants and leaders here: <http://texaspelagics.com/testimonials/> http://texaspelagics.com/testimonials/



SIGN-UP SOON BEFORE ITS TOO LATE: The deadline for the August 24th trip is Aug 1st, but please don't wait until the last minute to sign up. It helps me and the operator of our charter boat to know further in advance if we can commit to running the trip with adequate participation. So far there are 20 people signed up and we only need 16 more. I would hate to not have adequate participation for this last and only Texas Pelagic of 2019.



Unfortunately our Charter boat prices have increased significantly in the last few years over what they were a decade ago. Our leaders also pay close to full fare depending on the number of participants we can gather.



More information on these trips, logistical considerations and sign-up instructions can be found here: <http://texaspelagics.com/register-2/> http://texaspelagics.com/register-2/



CHECK OUT THE WEBSITE:

Information on Texas Pelagics in general (including photos from previous trips and what species can be expected) can be found at this informative website:

<http://www.texaspelagics.com/> http://www.texaspelagics.com/



Also there is a Facebook group for Texas Pelagics.

<https://www.facebook.com/groups/219671194850690/> https://www.facebook.com/groups/219671194850690/



Please check these out for more information as well.

I hope you'll join us.

Gary Hodne

The Woodlands, TX

<garyhodne...>



Garett ‘Gary’ Hodne



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Date: 6/10/19 8:57 am
From: Mark Lockwood <mwlockwood402...>
Subject: [texbirds] Re: Odd oriole at Fort Pena Colorado Park, Marathon, Brewster County
I have contacted several people who are familiar with Streak-backed Orioles
and it appears that this bird is consistent with birds of that species from
Oaxaca and farther south. It differs in several important ways to birds
from the northern portion of the range in western Mexico, such as the back
of those birds is typically primarily olive-orange with distinct, narrow
black streaks with the brighter orange restricted to the face and upper
breast. The birds from southwestern Mexico are bright orange and have
extensive orange edging to the back in fresh plumage, such as this is the
case with this individual, which wears off over time and creates the all
black mantles of worn birds (populations further south often have all black
mantles). One has to wonder if this individual got here on its own or was
man-assisted.

Mark

Mark Lockwood
Alpine, Texas

On Sun, Jun 9, 2019 at 11:13 AM Mark Lockwood <mwlockwood402...>
wrote:

> I visited The Post park south of Marathon again this morning. In addition
> to the continuing White-eyed and Yellow-green Vireos I photographed a
> hybrid (?) oriole. I suspect this bird has been reported as a Hooded, but
> it isn't that. When I first saw it I thought it was a Streak-backed, but
> doesn't fit that species either. It has a streaked back, but it is largely
> black. The wings have a lot of white in them suggesting Bullock's as one
> of the parents, but it also has orange shoulders. I am struggling to even
> come up with a second species that could be involved. Interesting bird for
> sure. I have places three images on my Flicker page at:
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/70194759@N05/
>
>
> Mark
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Date: 6/10/19 12:23 am
From: Charmaine Ganson <cgtimes2...>
Subject: [texbirds] Re: texbirds Digest V8 #158
What about Altamira x Streaked-backed. Altamira always shows that orange
inset into the upper wing & has a lot of white on the wing. Though the bill
is thinner than in Altamira. Also Dr. Arnold has a point. It could be
aberrant plumage.

A DNA sample would be nice. ;-) Maybe someone could mist net it.

Charmaine Ganson





From: Mark Lockwood <mwlockwood402...>
Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2019 11:13:50 -0500
Subject: [texbirds] Odd oriole at Fort Pena Colorado Park, Marathon,
Brewster C

I visited The Post park south of Marathon again this morning. In addition to
the continuing White-eyed and Yellow-green Vireos I photographed a hybrid
(?) oriole. I suspect this bird has been reported as a Hooded, but it isn't
that. When I first saw it I thought it was a Streak-backed, but doesn't fit
that species either. It has a streaked back, but it is largely black. The
wings have a lot of white in them suggesting Bullock's as one of the
parents, but it also has orange shoulders. I am struggling to even come up
with a second species that could be involved. Interesting bird for sure. I
have places three images on my Flicker page at:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/70194759@N05/


Mark



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Date: 6/9/19 4:57 pm
From: Joseph Kennedy <josephkennedy36...>
Subject: [texbirds] Pictures from last week from the coast
Started Friday on east beach on Galveston. The pomarine jaeger continues
mainly ignoring passersby and fishermen.

https://pbase.com/joseph_kennedy_36/image/169330463

It was doing lots of preening which gave a good chance to check the
feathers. There is a little wear but no bare quills like when he was here 3
years ago

https://pbase.com/joseph_kennedy_36/image/169330457

The flight feathers are in good shape and the bird is growing its central
tail feathers. They are just getting to the point of being longer than the
other tail feathers

https://pbase.com/joseph_kennedy_36/image/169330456

But you can see the shape when it holds them at the right angle.

https://pbase.com/joseph_kennedy_36/image/169330462

And if all birds could be as cooperative.

https://pbase.com/joseph_kennedy_36/image/169330460

The red knot was on east beach this morning and is also molting

https://pbase.com/joseph_kennedy_36/image/169330444

Lots more new feathers than a week ago

https://pbase.com/joseph_kennedy_36/image/169330445

One does not think of the knot as a large shorebird but it is really bigger
than the semipalmated sandpiper

https://pbase.com/joseph_kennedy_36/image/169330445

But the peep really went after the knot

https://pbase.com/joseph_kennedy_36/image/169330446

The single white-rumped sandpiper continues

https://pbase.com/joseph_kennedy_36/image/169330447

the wilson's and snowy plovers continue to dislike each other and the
wilson's are starting to look a little ragged

https://pbase.com/joseph_kennedy_36/image/169330450

Had part of the coyote herd hanging around the beach entrance and the park
center when I arrived. They are still destroying the barrier for the
nesting bird area.

Over on bolivar flats the coconut migration is picking up. This one has
been in the water longer and probably come further as it has fair sized
barnacles.

https://pbase.com/joseph_kennedy_36/image/169330466

These are the two least terns who landed right in front of me and laid an
egg by the waters edge

https://pbase.com/joseph_kennedy_36/image/169330468

https://pbase.com/joseph_kennedy_36/image/169330469

Many neotropic cormorants drying on the beach. They are catching lots of
small fish in shallow water. They can swim submerged in about 1 foot of
water.

https://pbase.com/joseph_kennedy_36/image/169330470

I was able to call in one of the semipalmated sandpipers

https://pbase.com/joseph_kennedy_36/image/169330474

A summering piping plover was a surprise. Its been several years since I
found one

https://pbase.com/joseph_kennedy_36/image/169330471

The sun has lightened the color on the semipalmated plovers so that there
isn't much difference in the tone as when everyone has fresh plumage

https://pbase.com/joseph_kennedy_36/image/169330472

The commonest call out on the flats now is the wilson's plovers scolding
and cursing anyone that goes by

https://pbase.com/joseph_kennedy_36/image/169330477

https://pbase.com/joseph_kennedy_36/image/169330478

One of the wilson's was able to trap a ghost crab out of its burrow

https://pbase.com/joseph_kennedy_36/image/169330482

It went at the crab by grabbing and shaking it until a leg came off which
was then eaten

https://pbase.com/joseph_kennedy_36/image/169330483

Still has legs

https://pbase.com/joseph_kennedy_36/image/169330485

Its easier to get a leg when the crab was upside down

https://pbase.com/joseph_kennedy_36/image/169330486

Only one left

https://pbase.com/joseph_kennedy_36/image/169330487

And there it goes

https://pbase.com/joseph_kennedy_36/image/169330488

At this point, the plover picked up the crab and started off in fits and
starts. However, the other plover in the pair objected and made a bee line
to the first bird and crab and there was a discussion about sharing and
kids. I started to leave but came back and they took the crab behind some
vegetation where there were at least 2 half grown chicks to share. The
adults were able to get the crab open.

Always new a interesting things out there.

--
Joseph C. Kennedy
on Buffalo Bayou in West Houston
<Josephkennedy36...>

 

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Date: 6/9/19 4:29 pm
From: Keith Arnold <kbarnold2...>
Subject: [texbirds] Re: Odd oriole at Fort Pena Colorado Park, Marathon, Brewster County
Mark,
You may well be correct I’m calling this bird as a hybrid. However, it might be an aberrant plumage.
Keith
P.S. if the bird is a hybrid, as you suggest, Bullock’s would be one parent; I have no idea as to what the second parent might be.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 9, 2019, at 11:13 AM, Mark Lockwood <mwlockwood402...> wrote:
>
> I visited The Post park south of Marathon again this morning. In addition to the continuing White-eyed and Yellow-green Vireos I photographed a hybrid (?) oriole. I suspect this bird has been reported as a Hooded, but it isn't that. When I first saw it I thought it was a Streak-backed, but doesn't fit that species either. It has a streaked back, but it is largely black. The wings have a lot of white in them suggesting Bullock's as one of the parents, but it also has orange shoulders. I am struggling to even come up with a second species that could be involved. Interesting bird for sure. I have places three images on my Flicker page at:
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/70194759@N05/
>
>
> Mark

 

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Date: 6/9/19 2:29 pm
From: Anthony Hewetson <fattonybirds...>
Subject: [texbirds] Lubbock Area Birding Summary for May - Long
Lubbock received 3.96 inches of rain during May, well above the
average May total of 2.31 inches, putting us at 6.88 inches for the
year, now well above the average year-to-date total of 5.57 inches
with damp conditions prevailing throughout the region. Because the
rains kicked in rather late this year, waterfowl had, for the most
part, already fled the scene. Most of the storm systems favored
movement rather than stalling migrants. The combination of these
factors made for a somewhat random set of highlights.

Regional summaries of eBird data can not be acquired in a timely
fashion. As a result, records submitted to eBird may not appear in
this report. Reports from the region that are submitted to the
texbirds or leasbirds listservs can be reviewed in a timely fashion
and should appear.

As always, the county follows the site in ( ) and birds are mentioned
by virtue of rarity, atypical abundance, or atypical scarcity. Water
Treatment Ponds have come to feature so prominently in these reports
that they will, henceforth, be referred to as WTP.

CACKLING GOOSE: 2 at Guy Park (Lubbock) on 5/1/19 (JM) and 2 at
Buffalo Springs Lake (Lubbock) on 5/7/19 (JCr) the only reports for
the month – LOW.

CANADA GOOSE: 2-6 at Guy Park (Lubbock) on 5/1/19 (JoC, PKe, JM, LM,
BSc, BSh) and 4-5 at Buffalo Springs Lake (Lubbock) from 5/6/19 to
5/7/19 (JCr, DH) the only reports – A TAD LOW.

BLUE-WINGED TEAL: Seven reports of 2-5 birds and three reports of
11-22 birds in the region (Crosby, Lubbock) during the period (SB,
JCo, MDL, DH, SK, PKe, LM, BSh) – AVERAGE NUMBER OF REPORTS, NUMBERS
REMAIN A BIT LOW.

CINNAMON TEAL: 4 at Reese Center (Lubbock) on 5/11/19 (JCo) the only
report – LOW NUMBER OF REPORTS AND LOW NUMBERS.

MALLARD x MEXICAN DUCK: 1 at Clapp Park (Lubbock) on 5/5/19 (LM) –
STATUS OF THIS ‘FORM’ REMAINS A BIT ELUSIVE IN THE REGION.

REDHEAD: 3 at Buffalo Springs Lake (Lubbock) on 5/7/19 (JCr) and1 at
Reese Center (Lubbock) on 5/11/19 (JCo) the only reports – A TAD LOW.

BUFFLEHEAD: 2 at McAlister Park (Lubbock) on 5/4/19 (JCo) the only
report – A TAD LOW.

RUDDY DUCK: 1 at Reese Center (Lubbock) on 5/11/19 (JCo) and 4 at
Tahoka Playa (Lynn) on 5/17/19 (PKi) the only reports – A TAD LOW.

SCALED QUAIL: 7 south of Morton (Cochran) on 5/25/19 (GC) the only
report – LOW BUT FEW REPORTS FROM THE APPROPRIATE COUNTIES.

RING-NECKED PHEASANT: 2 below Lake Six (Lubbock) on 5/9/19 (BSh) and 2
below Lake Six (Lubbock) on 5/18/19 (LM) the only reports – LOW.

EARED GREBE: 1 at White River Lake (Crosby) on 5/5/19 (SB, MDL) the
only report – A TAD LOW.

INCA DOVE: 4 (at an active nest) in a Lubbock yard (Lubbock) on
5/12/19 (LM) and 2 at Clapp Park (Lubbock) on 5/20/19 (JCr) the only
reports – STILL HANGING ON.

COMMON POORWILL: 1 at McAlister Park (Lubbock) on 5/4/19 (JCr) the
only report – LOW.

RUBY-THROATED HUMMINGBIRD: 1 at Windsor Park (Lubbock) on 5/5/19 (LH)
the only report – ABOUT AVERAGE FOR THIS RARE SPRING OVERSHOOT.

RUFOUS HUMMINGBIRD: 1 in a Lubbock yard (Lubbock) on 5/3/19 (SK) the
only report – A TAD LOW; THIS IS GENERALLY THE SECOND MOST COMMON
HUMMINGBIRD IN SPRING.

VIRGINIA RAIL: 1 at Clapp Park (Lubbock) on 5/5/19 (LM) the only
report – A BIT LOW.

SORA: 2 at Clapp Park (Lubbock) on 5/5/19 (LM), 2 at Clapp Park
(Lubbock) on 5/11/19 (BSh), and 1 at Clapp Park (Lubbock) on 5/12/19
(LM) – AN AVERAGE NUMBER OF REPORTS, SCATTER NONEXISTENT!

COMMON GALLINULE: 1 at Clapp Park (Lubbock) on 5/19/19 (DH, PKe, LM,
JM, BSc) – A RARE REPORT AWAY FROM THE SPECIES’ USUAL HAUNTS ALONG THE
CANYON LAKES OF LUBBOCK.

BLACK-NECKED STILT: Fifteen reports of 1-7 birds and one report of 20
birds in the region (Crosby, Garza, Lubbock, Lynn) during the period
(SB, JoC, JCo, JCr, MDL, AH, GK, PKe, PKi, LM, JM, BSc, BSh) – AN
AVERAGE NUMBER OF REPORTS BUT NUMBERS A BIT LOW; POSSIBLY DUE TO LATE
ONSET OF RAINS THIS YEAR.

AMERICAN AVOCET: Nine reports of 1-10 birds in the region (Garza,
Lubbock) during the period (JoC, DH, AH, GK, PKe, LM, JM, BSc) – LOW
NUMBER OF REPORTS AND VERY LOW NUMBERS: PROBABLY DUE TO LATE ONSET OF
RAINS THIS YEAR.

UPLAND SANDPIPER: 2 near Idalou (Lubbock) on 5/2/19 (DH) the only report – LOW.

BAIRD’S SANDPIPER: 2 at McAlister Park (Lubbock) on 5/2/19 (JM) the
only report for the period – VERY LOW.

LEAST SANDPIPER: 8 at McAlister Park (Lubbock) on 5/4/19 (JCo) the
only report for the period – EXTRAORDINARILY LOW.

SEMIPALMATED SANDPIPER: 1 at McAlister Park (Lubbock) on 5/2/19 (JM)
the only report – VERY LOW.

SPOTTED SANDPIPER: Thirteen reports of 1-8 birds in the region
(Dickens, Lubbock) during the period (JOc, GC, JCo, JCr, GK, PKe, LM,
JM, BSc, BSh) – SURPRISINGLY GOOD NUMBER OF REPORTS AND NUMBERS –
GIVEN THE GENERAL LY LOW SHOREBIRD NUMBERS DURING THE PERIOD.

WILLET: 1 at the TTU HSC Fields (Lubbock) from 5/11/19 to 5/12/19 (GK,
JCo, JCr, DH, GK, PKe) – A PRETTY EXCITING SIGHTING FOR SUCH AN ODD
PLACE!

WILSON’S PHALAROPE: 3 at McAlister Park (Lubbock) on 5/2/19 (JM) and 9
at Reese Center (Lubbock) on 5/11/19 (JCo) the only reports – VERY
LOW.

FRANKLIN’S GULL: 1 at White River Lake (Crosby) on 5/5/19 (SB) the
only report for the month – LOW.

LAUGHING GULL: 1 at White River Lake (Crosby) on 5/5/19 (SB, MDL) –
ACCIDENTAL TO THE REGION; ONE OF A HANDFUL OF RECORDS.

BLACK TERN: 2 at Buffalo Springs Lake (Lubbock) on 5/6/19 (DH) the
only report for the month – LOW.

COMMON TERN: 1 at Buffalo Springs Lake (Lubbock) on 5/6/19 (DH,
photographs) and on 5/7/19 (JCr, photographs) – A VERY RARE VISITOR TO
THE REGION.

COMMON LOON: 1 at Guy Park (Lubbock) on 5/1/19 (JOc, JCr, DH, PKe, ML,
LM, JM, BSc, BSh) – CONTINUING BIRD – MADE IT FROM VERY LATE APRIL
INTO VERY EARLY MAY - A VERY LATE REPORT FOR THIS WINTER VISITOR.

NEOTROPIC CORMORANT: 1 over Lubbock on 5/18/19 (AH) the only report –
LOW BUT FEW REPORTS CAME IN FROM FAVORED SITES IN THE REGION.

AMERICAN WHITE PELICAN: 20 at White River Lake (Crosby) on 5/5/19 (SB,
MDL) and 3 over Lubbock (Lubbock) on 5/6/19 (LM) – GOOD NUMBER OF
REPORTS AND GOOD NUMBERS; ESPECIALLY FOR SPRING REPORTS.

GREAT EGRET: 1 at Clapp Park (Lubbock) on 5/20/19 (JrC) and 1 at
Ransom Lake (Lubbock) on 5/27/19 (BSc) the only reports – LOW;
POSSIBLY SPREAD OUT DUE TO WIDE AVAILABITY OF WATER IN THE REGION.

SNOWY EGRET: Twelve reports of 1-5 birds in the region (Crosby,
Lubbock) during the period (SB, JCo, JCr, MDL, DH, AH, GK, JM, BSC,
BSh) – LOW NUMBERS; POSSIBLY AT SOME UNCOVERED OUTLYING SITES THIS
YEAR.

CATTLE EGRET: 11 at White River Lake (Crosby) on 5/5/19 (SB, MDL) and
2 at Lake Six (Lubbock) on 5/8/19 (GK) the only reports –
EXTRAORDINARILY LOW NUMBER OF REPORTS AND OF NUMBERS.

YELLOW-CROWNED NIGHT HERON: 1-3 at Clapp Park (Lubbock) throughout the
period (JCr, DH, PKe, LM, JM, BSh) the only report – LOW.

WHITE-FACED IBIS: 28 at Earl Crow Park (Lubbock) on 5/9/19 (DHa) the
only report – VERY LOW.

OSPREY: 1 at Buffalo Springs Lake (Lubbock) on 5/6/19 (DH) and 5/7/19
(JCr) and 1 at Ransom Lake (Lubbock) on 5/27/19 (BSc) – RATHER LATE
REPORTS; ESPECIALLY THE LATE MAY REPORT!

MISSISSIPPI KITE: A flock of 15 over Lubbock (Lubbock) on 5/1/19 (GK)
– A TAD LATE BUT, FINALLY, IN GOOD NUMBERS.

BROAD-WINGED HAWK: 1 at Clapp Park (Lubbock) on 5/19/19 (DH, LM, BSc)
– A TAD ON THE LATE SIDE; THE SPECIES IS USUALLY THROUGH THE REGION BY
MID-MAY.

RED-HEADED WOODPECKER: 1 at Buffalo Springs Lake (Lubbock) on 5/6/19
(DH) – WELL WEST OF NORMAL BREEDING RANGE WITHIN THE REGION.

CRESTED CARACARA: 1 near Justiceburd (Garza) on 5/2/19 (AH) – STILL
CASUAL IN THE REGION THOUGH IT SHOULD BE AN EXPECTED SPECIES,
PROBABLY, IN KENT AND GARZA COUNTIES.

MONK PARAKEET: 1 at Wayland Baptist University (Hale) on 5/12/19 (NP)
– THE LONE QUAKE R IS BACK ON A BAPTIST CAMPUS:)

OLIVE-SIDED FLYCATCHER: 1 at Dickens Springs (Dickens) on 5/24/19 (GC)
the only report for the period – LOW.

WESTERN WOOD PEWEE: 1 at Buffalo Springs Lake (Lubbock) on 5/6/19
(DH), 1 at Clapp Park (Lubbock) on 5/12/19 (LM), 1 at Clapp Park
(Lubbock) on 5/19/19 and 5/20/19 (JCr, DH, BSc), and 3 at Lake Six
(Lubbock) on 5/25/19 (BK, PKi) the only reports – A TAD LOW.

WILLOW FLYCATCHER: 1 south of Morton (Cochran) on 5/25/19 (GC) the
only report – VERY LOW.

EASTERN PHOEBE: 1 at White River Lake (Crosby) on 5/5/19 (SB, MDL), 1
at Dickens Springs (Dickens) on 5/24/19 (GC), 1 at the Dickens WTP
(Dickens) on 5/24/19 (GC), and 2 at Lake Alan Henry (Garza) on 5/30/19
(SK) – ABOUT AVERAGE FOR THIS SPOTTY REGIONALY BREEDER.

VERMILION FLYCATCHER: 1 near Dickens (Dickens) on 5/24/19 (GC) –
FORMERLY ACCIDENTAL TO THE REGION; NOW POPS UP JUST ABOUT ANYWHERE AND
AT ANY SEASON THOUGH STILL VERY RARE.

CASSIN’S KINGBIRD: 1 in Floydada (Floyd) on 5/22/19 (WE) the only
report – ABOUT AVERAGE; GENERALLY PASSES THROUGH THE REGION EARLIER IN
THE SEASON.

EASTERN KINGBIRD: 1 below Lake Six (Lubbock) on 5/9/19 (BSh) and 1 in
Floydada (Floyd) on 5/22/19 (WE) – ABOUT AVERAGE FOR THIS RARE SPRING
OVERSHOOT.

BELL’S VIREO: 1 near Dickens (Dickens) on 5/24/19 (GC) the only report
– STILL FILLING IN THE REGION; SURPRISINGLY LOW NUMBER OF REPORTS.

RED-EYED VIREO: 1 at Clapp Park (Lubbock) on 5/11/19 (BSh) – A VERY
RARE MIGRANT TO THE REGION; ONE OF THE NIFTIEST SONGBIRD REPORTS OF
THE MONTH.

COMMON RAVEN: 1-5 at Lake Alan Henry (Garza) throughout the period
(SK) and 1 at White River Lake (Crosby) on 5/5/19 (SB, MDL) – ABOUT
AVERAGE AND, AS IS NORMAL FOR THE BREEDING SEASON, ALONG OR BELOW THE
CAPROCK ESCARPMENT.

PURPLE MARTIN: Eight pairs at a Lubbock colony (Lubbock) throughout
the period (GJ, PJ); else-wise nine reports of 1-11 birds in the
region (Crosby, Lubbock) during the period (SB, JoC, MDL, LH, DH, PKe,
LM, JM, BSc, BSh) – GOOD NUMBERS; LOW SCATTER PROBABLY DUE TO POOR
COVERAGE OF USUAL HAUNTS.

TREE SWALLOW: 2 near Justiceburg (Garza) on 5/2/19 (AH) and 1 below
Lake Six (Lubbock) on 5/18/19 LM) – ABOUT AVERAGE FOR THIS LATE IN THE
SEASON.

BANK SWALLOW: 4 at McAlister Park (Lubbock) on 5/4/19 (JCo), 1 at
Reese Center (Lubbock) on 5/11/19 (JCo), and 1 at Tahoka (Lynn) on
5/26/19 (MDL) the only reports – A TAD LOW, PROBABLY A RESULT OF THE
STRONG APRIL MOVEMENT.

VERDIN: 1 at Buffalo Springs Lake (Lubbock) on 5/6/19 (DH) – FORMERLY
FOUND THROUGHOUT THE REGION; THIS NOW REPRESENTS A RECORD WELL WEST OF
THE SPECIES’ RANGE.

CANYON WREN: 7 (including five nestlings) at Lake Alan Henry (Kent) on
5/1/19 (SK), 5/15/19 (SK) – ABOUT AVERAGE FOR THIS SPARSELY
DISTRIBUTED BREEDER.

ROCK WREN: 3 at Lake Alan Henry (Kent) on 5/115/19 (SK) the only report – LOW.

EASTERN BLUEBIRD: 3 at White River Lake (Crosby) on 5/5/19 (SB, MDL)
and 2 near Dickens (Dickens) on 5/24/19 (GC) – ABOUT AVERAGE FOR THIS
RARE BREEDER.

SWAINSON’S THRUSH: 1 near Idalou (Lubbock) on 5/2/19 (DH) the only report – LOW.

HERMIT THRUSH: 1 below Lake Six (Lubbock) on 5/11/19 (BSc) and 1 at
Clapp Park (Lubbock) on 5/19/19 (BSc) the only reports – VERY LOW.

CEDAR WAXWING: Three reports of 3-7 birds, four reports of 14-21
birds, and three reports of 26-35 birds in the region (Crosby,
Dickens, Lubbock) during the period (SB, JoC, MDL, GC, SH, LM, BSc) –
GOOD NUMBER OF REPORTS AND GOOD NUMBERS; THIS IS BECOMING A REGULAR
PATTER: POOR NUMBERS IN WINTER AND GOOD TO VERY GOOD NUMBERS IN
SPRING.

PINE SISKIN: 22 in a Lubbock yard (Lubbock) on 5/1/19 (GK), 3 in a
Lubbock yard (Lubbock)on 5/1/19 (KM), and 1 at Windsor Park (Lubbock)
on 5/5/19 (LH) – ABOUT AVERAGE FOR LATE SEASON REPORTS.

AMERICAN GOLDFINCH: 1 in a Lubbock yard (Lubbock) on 5/1/19 (GK), 1 in
a Lubbock yard (Lubbock) on 5/1/19 (CR, FR), 4 in a Lubbock yard
(Lubbock) on 5/2/19 (LM), 3 at Clapp Park (Lubbock) on 5/19/19 (LM),
and 1 at Clapp Park (Lubbock) on 5/20/19 (JCr) – GOOD NUMBER OF
REPORTS AND NUMBERS FOR THIS LATE IN THE SEASON.

CHIPPING SPARROW: Eleven reports of 1-7 birds and four reports of
10-26 birds in the region (Crosby, Garza, Kent, Lubbock) during the
period (SB, JoC, JCo ,MDL, PKe, LM, JM, BSc, BSh) – LOW NUMBER OF
REPORTS AND LOW NUMBERS, FINISHING OFF A VERY POOR SPRING MIGRATION
FOR THIS SPECIES IN THE REGION.

CLAY-COLORED SPARROW: Ten reports of 1-8 birds in the region (Crosby,
Lubbock) during the period (SB, JoC, JCo, DH, PKe, LM, JM, BSc) the
only reports received – LOW NUMBER OF REPORTS AND LOW NUMBERS,
FINISHING OFF A POOR SPRING MIGRATION FOR THIS SPECIES IN THE REGION.

LINCOLN’S SPARROW: 1 in a Lubbock yard (Lubbock) on 5/1/19 (AH), 1 in
a Lubbock yard (Lubbock) on 5/3/19 (GK), and 1 at Clapp Park (Lubbock)
on 5/19/19 (LM) – LOW; WE GENERALLY HAVE HIGHER NUMBERS OF THIS
SPECIES WELL INTO MAY.

YELLOW-BREASTED CHAT: 4 at White River Lake (Crosby) on 5/5/19 (SB,
MDL) the only report – LOW.

YELLOW-HEADED BLACKBIRD: 5 at Lake Alan Henry (Garza) on 5/1/19 (SK)
and 1 at McAlister Park (Lubbock) on 5/5/19 (LM) the only reports –
LOW.

BRONZED COWBIRD: 1-2 at Guy Park (Lubbock) on 5/1/19 (PKe, LM, JM,
BSh), 2 at Buffalo Springs Lake (Lubbock)on 5/6/19 (DH), and 3 at Lake
Six (Lubbock) on 5/25/19 (BK, PKi) the only reports – A TAD LOW.

NORTHERN WATERTHRUSH: 1 at Buffalo Springs Lake (Lubbock) on 5/6/19
(DH), 1 at Clapp Park (Lubbock) on 5/11/19 (BSh), and 3 at Clapp Park
(Lubbock) on 5/12/19 (LM) – ABOUT AVERAGE FOR THIS UNCOMMON SPRING
MIGRANT.

BLACK-AND-WHITE WARBLER: 1 in Tahoka (Lynn) on 5/5/19 (MDL) the only
report – A TAD LOW.

ORANGE-CROWNED WARBLER: 1 at Guy Park (Lubbock) on 5/1/19 (LM), 2 at
Clapp Park (Lubbock) on 5/5/19 (LM), and 1 at Clapp Park (Lubbock) on
5/12/19 (LM) the only reports – VERY LOW.

NASHVILLE WARBLER: 2 at Clapp Park (Lubbock) on 5/5/19 (LM), 1 at
Wayland Baptist University (Hale) on 5/12/19 (NP), and 1 at Lubbock
Lake Landmark (Lubbock) on 5/25/19 (CK) the only reports – LOW.

COMMON YELLOWTHROAT: 4 at Clapp Park (Lubbock) on 5/5/19 (LM), 1 at
Buffalo Springs Lake (Lubbock) on 5/6/19 (DH), 1 below Lake Six
(Lubbock) on 5/9/19 (BSh), and 1 at Clapp Park (Lubbock) on 5/19/19
(PKe, LM) – ABOUT AVERAGE – PROBABLY A MIX OF MIGRANTS AND BREEDERS
SETTLING IN.

MACGILLIVRAY’S WARBLER: 1 at Clapp Park (Lubbock) on 5/19/19 (JM) the
only report received – VERY LOW.

YELLOW WARBLER: Eighteen reports of 1-4 birds in the region (Crosby,
Hale, Lubbock) during the period (SB, JoC, MDL, KD, DH, BK, PKe, PKi,
LM, JM, NP, BSc, BSh) – GOOD NUMBER OF REPORTS AND AVERAGE NUMBERS –
SURPRISINGLY BETTER PERFORMANCE THAN OUR USUALLY MORE COMMON WILSON’S
WARBELR.

BAY-BREASTED WARBLER: 1 male at Clapp Park (Lubbock) on 5/19/19 (DH,
PKe, LM, JM, BSc) and 5/20/19 (JoC, JrC, JCr, BSc) – ACCIDENTAL TO THE
REGION; A VERY EXCITING REPORT!

CANADA WARBLER: 1 male in a Lubbock yard (Lubbock) on 5/25/19 (JMa) –
ACCIDENTAL TO THE REGION; PROBABLY THE BEST SONGBIRD REPORT OF THE
MONTH!

WILSON’S WARBLER: 2 in a Lubbock yard (Lubbock) on 5/2/19 (KD), 2 at
Buffalo Springs Lake (Lubbock) on 5/6/19 (DH), and 1 at Clapp Park
(Lubbock) on 5/19/19 (BSc) the only reports – VERY LOW.

SUMMER TANAGER: 1 at Clapp Park (Lubbock) on 5/11/19 (BSh) and 5/12/19
(LM), 1 female at Clapp Park (Lubbock) on 5/19/19 (DH, LM), and 1 at
Dickens Springs (Dickens) on 5/24/19 (GC) – ABOUT AVERAGE FOR THIS
RARE MIGRANT.

WESTERN TANAGER: 1 at Buffalo Springs Lake (Lubbock) on 5/6/19 (DH)
the only report for the month – LOW, FOLLOWING A POOR APRIL
PERFORMANCE AS WELL.

PYRRHULOXIA: 1 south of Morton (Cochran) on 5/25/19 (GC) – SIGHTINGS
ARE UNUSUAL THIS FAR WEST INTO THE REGION.

BLACK-HEADED GROSBEAK: 2 females and 2 males in a Lubbock yard
(Lubbock) on 5/4/19 KM), 1 at Buffalo Springs Lake (Lubbock) on 5/6/19
(DH), and 1 below Lake Six (Lubbock) on 5/11/19 (BSc) – GOOD NUMBER OF
REPORTS AND VERY GOOD NUMBERS.

LAZULI BUNTING: 1 at Guy Park (Lubbock) on 5/1/19 (PKe, LM, BSh), 1 in
a Lubbock yard (Lubbock) from 5/2/19 through 5/6/19 (LM), 3 below Lake
Six (Lubbock) on 5/11/19 (JCr), 1 at MacKenzie Park (Lubbock) on
5/11/19 (WW), and 1 below Lake Six (Lubbock) on 5/18/19 (LM) – GOOD
NUMBER OF REPORTS AND VERY GOOD NUMBERS.

INDIGO BUNTING: 1 near Idalou (Lubbock) on 5/2/19 (DH), 1 at White
River Lake (Crosby) on 5/5/19 (SB, MDL), 2 below Lake Six (Lubbock) on
5/9/19 (BSh), and 1 below Lake Six (Lubbock) on 5/18/19 (LM) – ABOUT
AVERAGE FOR THIS RARE MIGRANT AND SPOTTILY-DISTRIBUTED BREEDER.

OBSERVERS: SB=Susan Bergeson, JoC=Joe Cochran, JrC=Jordan Cochran,
GC=Greg Cook, JCo=James Court, JCr=Jim Crites, MDL=Manuel De Leon,
KD=Ken Dixon, WE=Wyatt Engelhoff, LH=Lyle Hale, DHa=Danny Hancock,
DH=Drew Harvey, AH=Anthony Hewetson, , GJ=George Jury, PJ=Pat Jury,
CK=Charles Kahle, AK=Andrew Kasner, SK=Stephen Kasper, BK=Barry Keith,
GK=Glenda Kelly, PKe=Peter Keyel, PKi=Phillip Kite, ML=Mark Lee,
JMa=Joseph Manthey, KM=Keven McClaran, LM=Liam McGuire, JM=Jennifer
Miller, NP=Niler Pyeatt, CR=Clarice Robertson, FR=Floyd Robertson,
BSc=Bobby Schat, BSh=Brad Shine, William Wenthe

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Date: 6/9/19 9:14 am
From: Mark Lockwood <mwlockwood402...>
Subject: [texbirds] Odd oriole at Fort Pena Colorado Park, Marathon, Brewster County
I visited The Post park south of Marathon again this morning. In addition
to the continuing White-eyed and Yellow-green Vireos I photographed a
hybrid (?) oriole. I suspect this bird has been reported as a Hooded, but
it isn't that. When I first saw it I thought it was a Streak-backed, but
doesn't fit that species either. It has a streaked back, but it is largely
black. The wings have a lot of white in them suggesting Bullock's as one
of the parents, but it also has orange shoulders. I am struggling to even
come up with a second species that could be involved. Interesting bird for
sure. I have places three images on my Flicker page at:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/70194759@N05/


Mark

 

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Date: 6/9/19 9:14 am
From: Lamont Brown <lamont...>
Subject: [texbirds] Miller Creek Reservoir South side heavy flooding NCTX local interest
Throckmorton and Baylor Co, Local interest



For those that use the Greg Cook Super-thoroughfare from Throckmorton to Miller Creek Reservoir [Baylor Co] approaching from the SW side, using TX 222 and CR 190, the bridge crossing the creek on CR 190 is heavily flooded.



I ran the Haskell BBS yesterday and that route approaches the CR 190 bridge from the north. I could only get to within .2 of a mile and walked in to get that BBS stop. On the north side of the bridge the major problem is the depth of the water at more than 12 inches as I got to within 100 feet of the bridge. There is plenty of gravel on the roadway on the north side of the bridge so the road base appears intact with few if any major potholes.



To continue the BBS, I back-tracked to TX 222 and came in to the south side of the flooded bridge. This portion of CR 190 routinely has significantly less gravel near the bridge and many potholes. From the rancher’s house above this area, I scanned this south side of CR 190 and bridge area. It appeared in at least two spots the water had washed away portions of the road, while likely still passable when you can see the road, it appeared dicey for even high-clearance. And suffice it to say the egret, stilt and coot nests normally in that area were gone or under water.



To approach Miller Creek Reservoir from the SW, continue North on TX 222 to CR 195 to CR 190. I did not travel on the turn-off road from CR 190 into Baylor Co, so that too could be flooded in some spots.



Lamont Brown

Denton

 

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Date: 6/8/19 9:44 am
From: Susan Strasevicz <susanstrasevicz...>
Subject: [texbirds] Canon 7D
Thanks to all who inquired. The camera is sold!

Susan Strasevicz
Fair Oaks Ranch, Tx



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Date: 6/7/19 9:15 pm
From: Justin Bosler <justin.bosler...>
Subject: [texbirds] Mexican Violetear, Reagan Wells (Uvalde Co.) YES
Texbirds,

The Mexican Violetear continued through yesterday, 6 June, at a private
residence on the Dry Frio River near Reagan Wells in Uvalde County. It's
been frequenting the feeders there for about 3 weeks now. Please see
facebook Texbirds or Texas Chase Birds for information regarding access or
contact me directly.

Good birding!
Justin Bosler
Sanderson, Texas

 

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Date: 6/7/19 9:02 pm
From: Justin Bosler <justin.bosler...>
Subject: [texbirds] Clay-colored Thrush, Rio Frio (Real Co.) NO
Texbirds,

Yesterday, 6 June, after completing the Leakey BBS route, I went to follow
up the the Clay-colored Thrush that was reported by Paul Fushille off RR
1120 in Rio Frio from 1 June through 3/4 June. It was apparently there for
a few days but despite over an hour of searching I failed to locate the
bird. I spent a lot of the time on the first 1/4-mile of Pecan Grove Ln,
where Paul's eBird checklist originated. I assume that's where the bird was
given what little intel I had.

Good birding.
Justin Bosler
currently in Sanderson, Texas

 

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Date: 6/7/19 7:53 pm
From: justin.bosler <justin.bosler...>
Subject: [texbirds] Yellow-green Vireo, Marathon (Brewster Co.) YES
Texbirds,Remarkably, the Yellow-green Vireo continues to sing incessantly as if on territory at Fort Peña Colorado Park (The Post) in Marathon. There was also a White-eyed Vireo singing from the thicket along Aveune D just before reaching the gravel parking lot. Good birding!Justin Bosler currently in Sanderson, TexasP.S. check out the new Blu Quail Kitchen on Oak St. (US 90) if you find yourself passing through Sanderson
 

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Date: 6/7/19 4:43 pm
From: Joseph Kennedy <josephkennedy36...>
Subject: [texbirds] East Beach to Anahuac today. Regulars and a few goodies
Got going a little late today as someone set the alarm for the wrong time.
Got out on east beach with a couple of horned larks on the way and then the
pomarine jaeger down at the corner past the jetty. Just past him, the
lingering gray red knot was feeding with a single western sandpiper. 3
unbanded american oystercatchers. Only a couple of sanderlings and ruddy
turnstones were around. the usual summering semipalmated plovers.

Commonest bird was about 240 american avocets.

Had the first tern chick of the year, a caspian with a parent. It is an
interesting experience when a caspian tern starts yelling and head right at
your head with the red mouth wide open. It made 3 passes after the chick
moved inside the barrier to join other caspians. Had a total of 15 for the
area.

Snowy and wilson's plovers were interacting. In some parking lot puddles
had a few more western sandpipers and a breeding plumaged white-rumped
sandpiper.

Tides were still rather high but had washed back into the vegetation along
the channel and breached into the lagoon down the channel.

Very few birds along the ferry. Several singing painted buntings continue
along Frenchtown road which had some water on the pavement. Clapper rails
out but no shorebird habitat. A couple of painted bunting also on the start
of Retillon Road. No shorebirds at Fort Travis and no wet spots.

Bolivar flats was rather empty. Almost no birds along the beach and there
was more beach than in recent trips. But the good shorebird feeding areas
down closer to the jetty were still underwater.

3 more unbanded oystercatchers. Roosting semipalmated plovers with a single
piping plover. 15 reddish egrets remained but the banded bird was absent.

The least tern nest from Monday was gone but 3 birds were doing fish games
at the spot. Later 2 least terns dropped down just in front of me and one
laid an egg amid lots of odd calling. Not going to do well as the egg was
in the new debris just deposited and about 2 feet from the water. The terns
then scolded me a bit and left.

Watched a wilson's plover catch a ghost crab about an inch across. Worked
at getting legs etc off and ate them as removed. Started to carry it off.
Mother plover then charged and took over the crab. Later on or the other
took it back to where a couple of chicks were hiding. Still had one claw.
Really big prey for a small bird. Took a lot more work to dismember a crab
than when a whimbrel or night heron grabs a crab.

Highest water of the season at Rollover pass had all bird areas covered.
Nothing along the highway and a good delay for the repaving.

The rice fields along 1985 had the best water and shorebird habitat for the
year. However the shorebirds are gone and I did not find any.

The Anahuac rookery in the reeds in shoveler pond were busy and you can now
hear youngsters.

Best bird for the refuge was a singing red-eyed vireo singing in the woods
behind the service area. You can hear it and get a glimpse from the road to
the boat launch opposite the shoveler pond road.

Worked up to I10 along back roads where there have been hawks and kites in
the past but had none.

Good birds out there despite the heat etc.

--
Joseph C. Kennedy
on Buffalo Bayou in West Houston
<Josephkennedy36...>

 

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Date: 6/7/19 11:00 am
From: Susan Strasevicz <susanstrasevicz...>
Subject: [texbirds] Canon EOS 7D
Hello Texbirders,

I hope this is ok to post. I am selling a Canon EOS 7D for $450 obo. It
was never used and still in the box. I also have a Canon 85 mm lens, that
was used a handful of times, that I am selling for $150. If interested,
please contact me privately through email or text at 956-457-1890.

Good birding,

Susan Strasevicz
currently in Fair Oaks Ranch, TX
sometimes in South Padre Island
956-457-1890


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Date: 6/6/19 8:44 am
From: Mark Lockwood <mwlockwood402...>
Subject: [texbirds] Brown-crested Flycatcher at The Post
Keith Arnold was kind enough to take my photograph of the Brown-crested
Flycatcher that was south of Marathon, Brewster County, on 2 June and
compare the proportions of the bill compared to the head to specimens of
both M. t. magister and M. t. cooperi. His finding supported my initial
thoughts that this bird fits the morphology of magister. This is the first
report of magister in Brewster County to my knowledge, but considering the
two subspecies are very similar vocally and the differences in morphology
can be overlooked and misleading when looking at a single individual the
significance of this record may be misleading. Thanks to Keith for his
assistance and time for looking into this bird.

Mark

Mark Lockwood
Alpine, Texas

 

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Date: 6/5/19 11:17 am
From: Joseph Kennedy <josephkennedy36...>
Subject: [texbirds] Galveston to Winnie Monday, summer setting in
Started the day as usual on Galveston's east beach just after sunrise. No
local sunrise as one of those long dark clouds kept overhead but I could
see sunshine in all directions. Cloud followed me most of the way across
the ferry ride.

A few birds still present starting with a freshly fledged horned lark in
the parking area. 3 unbanded oystercatchers on the beach flew way out on
the jetty by the rock part where they joined 5 others. Still good numbers
of ruddy turnstones but just a few sanderlings and maybe 40 gulls and terns
and no jaeger.

2 avocet flocks of 71 and 37 birds, 8 each semipalmated sandpipers and
plovers, 2 greater yellowlegs were normal for the summer. Heard wilson's
plovers more than saw them. 2 adult plumaged ring-billed gulls with fine
feathers.

Not many birds on the ferry or in Port Bolivar. My favorite pond there is
now duckless as there is a large alligator that likes ducks. No shorebirds
at Fort Travis.

Bolivar flats and other beaches had fewer birds than a week ago. No normal
summering non-breeding black, least and only 1 common tern went along with
no new sargassum but there were a couple of new coconuts. Another 25
avocets, 1 whimbrel and 2 marbled godwits were down the way. Only 1
unbanded oystercatcher remained.

Several more fine plumaged ring-billed gulls and a single breeding plumaged
herring gull without any mangy gulls around. The peeps on this side of the
channel were westerns. Very few sanderlings or turnstones.

A good influx of reddish reddish egrets raised the flock up to 19 birds.
The banded white bird (C22) was still present. It was banded on 4/17/2018
on Rabbit Island in southwest Louisiana.

Tides and water levels are still very high but areas dependent on rainfall
are going dry. Looking at the radar, that is being remedied.

At least one pair of loggerhead shrikes have fledged a second brood and a
yellow-crowned night heron with lots of fuzz was the first chick of that
family.

Ended up north of Winnie to check on the whooping cranes. They were well
back from the road and feeding heavily and only had their heads up now and
then. Surprisingly few other herons and ibis in the area but king rails
were noisy.

With the breeze down it was the first day that felt like summer.


--
Joseph C. Kennedy
on Buffalo Bayou in West Houston
<Josephkennedy36...>

 

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Date: 6/5/19 7:09 am
From: Anthony Hewetson <fattonybirds...>
Subject: [texbirds] 2019 eBird Game - May Report - of Interest to TCC/eBird Folk
This is probably only of interest to folk who are interested in the
Texas Century Club and/or obsessed with eBird. In other words: if you
aren't interested in this sort of stuff feel free to hit the delete
button.

Though I have seen over 100 species in all 36 Oregon and all 254 Texas
counties, I am way behind on entering my historical data into eBird
and at the beginning of January of 2019 had but 14 Oregon and 71 Texas
counties over 100 in eBird. With this in mind and with various Texas
eBird reviewers breathing down my neck, one of my ongoing 2019 games
is a concerted effort to get the data in. With 221 months worth of
un-entered data at the beginning of the year (January-April of 1992,
July 1992 through December of 1997, and January of 2000 through
December of 2011) I really had my work cut out for me and, considering
that I still work full-time, decided to set myself a pace of six
months data entered per month - making this a three year project
assuming I can keep up that sort of pace.

I entered seven months in January, as well as January itself, getting
me down to 214 months of un-entered eBird data. I entered eighteen
months in February, as well as February itself, getting me down to 196
months of un-entered eBird data I entered thirteen months in March, as
well as March itself, getting me down to 182 months of un-entered
eBird data, and I entered ten months in April, as well as April
itself, getting me down to 172 months of un-entered eBird data as I
hit May.

I entered ten months of data during May (October of 1993 through
February of 1994 and December of 2001 through April of 2002), as well
as May itself, getting me down to 162 months of un-entered data as I
hit June.

These were productive periods for both Oregon and Texas. I added five
Oregon counties to my eBirded OCC list (Jackson, Polk, Umatilla,
Washington, and Yamhill) and fifteen Texas counties to my eBirded TCC
list (Bexar, Coleman, Comal, Gillespie, Hardin, Kendall, Kerr, Kimble,
Llano, Mason, Medina, Menard, Nolan, Runnels, and Wilson). This
brought me up to 25 out of 36 Oregon Counties dealt with and,
drum-roll please, 101 out of 254 Texas Counties dealt with - from an
eBird perspective.

June is going to be a real struggle as I have multiple Breeding Bird
Surveys to deal with and an Alaska trip to bird and booze my way
through - it will be a real challenge to get six months entered and,
looking ahead, spring of 1994 (fieldwork in Washington) and summer of
2002 (carless in Texas) do not look to be good periods for adding
counties to either state but, who knows, I may hit a period of
little/no sleep and crank through more months than I expect.

Anthony Hewetson; Lubbock
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Date: 6/5/19 6:46 am
From: Anthony Hewetson <fattonybirds...>
Subject: [texbirds] 2019 Photographic Game - May Report
In hopes that we couldn't possibly have two miserably dry, birdless,
and butterflyless years in a row and in hopes of a) getting that
danged painting done and b) getting more of my historical data entered
into eBird I decided to repeat my attempt to document 40 butterfly, 0
amphibian, 2 reptile, 80 bird, and 4 mammal species - with 90% of the
species seen/heard photographed as well.

At the end of May, Lubbock was doing pretty well in terms of
precipitation and my yard had gone mad. Mowing, in most years a
monthly chore, had become a weekly task and 'weeds' (aka wildflowers)
that I had never seen before were springing up in my ill-tended back
yard - because of code inspectors I treat my yard like a mullet
hairdo: business up front, party in the back:) Birding was not
particularly good (migrants mostly gave my yard a pass this year -
possibly because town is not as much of a draw in wet years) but
butterflying really picked up..

During May I managed to spot 18 species of butterfly, 0 species of
amphibian, 1 species of reptile, 20 species of bird, and 1 species of
mammal, getting up to 18 species of butterfly, 0 species of amphibian,
1 species of reptile, 35 species of bird, and 1 species of mammal for
the year, hitting 45%,100%, 50%, 43.75%, and 25% of my taxonomic goals
- still quite a ways behind where I expected to be at this point. Of
the 55 species recorded so far this year, I have photographed 46,
putting me at 83.64% in terms of my photographic goal,

June may well be more interesting than usual if conditions continue
wet in town as I could pick up quite a few butterflies, my missing
reptile (Ornate Box Turtle), some the more common waders that have yet
to grace my yard with a flyover, and my missing mammals. It .

The list follows coded as *=new, (y) = photographed

Funereal Duskywings*(y)
Common Sootywings
Sachem
Black Swallowtail*(y)
Cabbage White
Checkered White
Southern Dogface
Sleepy Orange
Dainty Sulphur*
Marine Blue*(y)
Reakirt's Blue
Gray Hairstreak*(y)
American Snout*(y)
Monarch
Phaon Crescent
Vesta Crescent*(y)
Red Admiral
Painted Lady*(y)

Mediterranean Gecko*(y)

Eurasian Collared Dove
White-winged Dove
Mourning Dove
Common Nighthawk*
Black-chinned Hummingbird
Neotropic Cormorant*(y)
Double-crested Cormorant
Turkey Vulture
Mississippi Kite*(y)
Western Kingbird
Blue Jay
American Robin
Curve-billed Thrasher
Northern Mockingbird
European Starling
House Sparrow
House Finch
Lincoln's Sparrow
Red-winged Blackbird
Great-tailed Grackle

Eastern Gray Squirrel

Anthony Hewetson; Lubbock
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Date: 6/4/19 1:00 pm
From: Collins, Fred (Commissioner Pct. 3) <Fred.Collins...>
Subject: [texbirds] FW: 23rd Birding Classic results and highlights
Congratulations Shelly, great job developing the Classic.


Fred Collins
Director, Kleb Woods Nature Preserve
20303 Draper Road
Tomball, Texas 77377

Commissioner Steve Radack
Precinct 3, Harris County
www.pct3.com<http://www.pct3.com>



From: <texbirds-bounce...><mailto:<texbirds-bounce...> <texbirds-bounce...><mailto:<texbirds-bounce...>> On Behalf Of Shelly Plante
Sent: Tuesday, June 4, 2019 1:00 PM
To: <texbirds...><mailto:<texbirds...>
Cc: Clifford Shackelford <Clifford.Shackelford...><mailto:<Clifford.Shackelford...>>
Subject: [texbirds] 23rd Birding Classic results and highlights

The 23rd Annual Great Texas Birding Classic officially wrapped up the year with the simultaneous Awards Ceremonies in Houston and San Antonio last Saturday afternoon, June 1.

Since many of you participated (or have participated in the past), I wanted to share this year's highlights from the event as well as the final results. Through registration fees and team sponsorship we raised enough money to donate $39,000 to habitat conservation projects in Texas, bringing the 23-year total to $993,000 in on-the-ground habitat conservation projects funded to date. Winning teams from several categories won the privilege of selecting which approved conservation projects will be funded (project proposal booklets will be sent out this week, so once those selections are complete, we'll send out the final press release).

Until then, here are the participation-related highlights from the 2019 statewide, monthlong event:
- Record participation numbers: 136 teams made up of 850 participants participated throughout the state!
- Record numbers of teams in two categories: 51 Big Sit! teams and 18 Sunrise to Noon teams, our two most laid back tournament categories, showing that this event is great for avid and beginning birders alike!
- 19 youth teams participated - there was great representation from our younger birders and so many fantastic chaperones, parents, and mentors that made their birding days possible. Thanks to all!!
- 12 State Park Tournament teams covering parks from Far West Texas to the Pineywoods and down to the Valley!
- 6 teams doing statewide tournaments - either the Statewide Big Day or the Statewide Weeklong (6-days of birding)!

On the birding front, we had a pretty great year as well:
- 411 birds identified by all teams combined - one of the top 5 totals in the 23 year history of the event!
- Combined, teams saw:
---40 species of warblers
---26 species of shorebirds plus another 16 species of gulls and terns
---26 species of waterfowl
---25 species of flycatchers
---21 species of raptors

Teams set records for the highest species count in three different tournament categories this year: Adult Regional Big Day-Prairies and Pineywoods West, Big Sit-Upper Texas Coast, and Big Sit-Prairies and Pineywoods West!

While there were some notable misses this year with Eastern Whip-poor-will, Golden-crowned Kinglets, and Purple Finches, as you can see above teams in general really had some fantastic finds this year! One team even found a Short-eared Owl!

Despite some heavy rains during the final half of the tournament, it looks like many of you had a great run this year, setting the bar high for future years. Mark your calendars now for the April 1, 2020 registration deadline for the 24th Annual Birding Classic. It's going to be a fun one!

Please find final team standings online: https://tpwd.texas.gov/events/great-texas-birding-classic/winnersreports/2019-birding-classic-final-results_formatted.pdf
To see photos from this year's event as well as the slideshow from Saturday's Awards Ceremonies, visit our Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/birdingclassic/

Thanks for all of your support and participation!

Shelly
______________________
Shelly Plante
Nature Tourism Manager
Texas Parks and Wildlife Department-HQ
4200 Smith School Road, Austin, TX 78744
Office: 512-389-4500
Cell: 512-241-9163







 

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Date: 6/4/19 12:59 pm
From: Collins, Fred (Commissioner Pct. 3) <Fred.Collins...>
Subject: [texbirds] Re: 23rd Birding Classic results and highlights
Congratulations Shelly, great job developing the Classic.


Fred Collins
Director, Kleb Woods Nature Preserve
20303 Draper Road
Tomball, Texas 77377

Commissioner Steve Radack
Precinct 3, Harris County
www.pct3.com<http://www.pct3.com>



From: <texbirds-bounce...> <texbirds-bounce...> On Behalf Of Shelly Plante
Sent: Tuesday, June 4, 2019 1:00 PM
To: <texbirds...>
Cc: Clifford Shackelford <Clifford.Shackelford...>
Subject: [texbirds] 23rd Birding Classic results and highlights

The 23rd Annual Great Texas Birding Classic officially wrapped up the year with the simultaneous Awards Ceremonies in Houston and San Antonio last Saturday afternoon, June 1.

Since many of you participated (or have participated in the past), I wanted to share this year's highlights from the event as well as the final results. Through registration fees and team sponsorship we raised enough money to donate $39,000 to habitat conservation projects in Texas, bringing the 23-year total to $993,000 in on-the-ground habitat conservation projects funded to date. Winning teams from several categories won the privilege of selecting which approved conservation projects will be funded (project proposal booklets will be sent out this week, so once those selections are complete, we'll send out the final press release).

Until then, here are the participation-related highlights from the 2019 statewide, monthlong event:
- Record participation numbers: 136 teams made up of 850 participants participated throughout the state!
- Record numbers of teams in two categories: 51 Big Sit! teams and 18 Sunrise to Noon teams, our two most laid back tournament categories, showing that this event is great for avid and beginning birders alike!
- 19 youth teams participated - there was great representation from our younger birders and so many fantastic chaperones, parents, and mentors that made their birding days possible. Thanks to all!!
- 12 State Park Tournament teams covering parks from Far West Texas to the Pineywoods and down to the Valley!
- 6 teams doing statewide tournaments - either the Statewide Big Day or the Statewide Weeklong (6-days of birding)!

On the birding front, we had a pretty great year as well:
- 411 birds identified by all teams combined - one of the top 5 totals in the 23 year history of the event!
- Combined, teams saw:
---40 species of warblers
---26 species of shorebirds plus another 16 species of gulls and terns
---26 species of waterfowl
---25 species of flycatchers
---21 species of raptors

Teams set records for the highest species count in three different tournament categories this year: Adult Regional Big Day-Prairies and Pineywoods West, Big Sit-Upper Texas Coast, and Big Sit-Prairies and Pineywoods West!

While there were some notable misses this year with Eastern Whip-poor-will, Golden-crowned Kinglets, and Purple Finches, as you can see above teams in general really had some fantastic finds this year! One team even found a Short-eared Owl!

Despite some heavy rains during the final half of the tournament, it looks like many of you had a great run this year, setting the bar high for future years. Mark your calendars now for the April 1, 2020 registration deadline for the 24th Annual Birding Classic. It's going to be a fun one!

Please find final team standings online: https://tpwd.texas.gov/events/great-texas-birding-classic/winnersreports/2019-birding-classic-final-results_formatted.pdf
To see photos from this year's event as well as the slideshow from Saturday's Awards Ceremonies, visit our Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/birdingclassic/

Thanks for all of your support and participation!

Shelly
______________________
Shelly Plante
Nature Tourism Manager
Texas Parks and Wildlife Department-HQ
4200 Smith School Road, Austin, TX 78744
Office: 512-389-4500
Cell: 512-241-9163







 

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Date: 6/4/19 11:41 am
From: John Blackwell <john.a.blackwell51...>
Subject: [texbirds] Northern Parula
Saw, photographed, and got a sound file of a Northern Parula in my yard in
North Central Colorado county. I have been hearing the bird for a week or
more. It seems late according to ebird for this area, which is why I posted
it. The sound file is low volume but the sound image matches closely the
image in Song Sleuth. Not that I doubted what the bird was, but I thought
it was interesting to be able to see the bird in the sound pattern.

CHECKLIST S57077784

--
John A. Blackwell
Colorado County, Texas

 

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Date: 6/4/19 11:01 am
From: Shelly Plante <dmarc-noreply...> (Redacted sender Shelly.Plante for DMARC)
Subject: [texbirds] 23rd Birding Classic results and highlights
The 23rd Annual Great Texas Birding Classic officially wrapped up the year with the simultaneous Awards Ceremonies in Houston and San Antonio last Saturday afternoon, June 1.

Since many of you participated (or have participated in the past), I wanted to share this year's highlights from the event as well as the final results. Through registration fees and team sponsorship we raised enough money to donate $39,000 to habitat conservation projects in Texas, bringing the 23-year total to $993,000 in on-the-ground habitat conservation projects funded to date. Winning teams from several categories won the privilege of selecting which approved conservation projects will be funded (project proposal booklets will be sent out this week, so once those selections are complete, we'll send out the final press release).

Until then, here are the participation-related highlights from the 2019 statewide, monthlong event:
- Record participation numbers: 136 teams made up of 850 participants participated throughout the state!
- Record numbers of teams in two categories: 51 Big Sit! teams and 18 Sunrise to Noon teams, our two most laid back tournament categories, showing that this event is great for avid and beginning birders alike!
- 19 youth teams participated - there was great representation from our younger birders and so many fantastic chaperones, parents, and mentors that made their birding days possible. Thanks to all!!
- 12 State Park Tournament teams covering parks from Far West Texas to the Pineywoods and down to the Valley!
- 6 teams doing statewide tournaments - either the Statewide Big Day or the Statewide Weeklong (6-days of birding)!

On the birding front, we had a pretty great year as well:
- 411 birds identified by all teams combined - one of the top 5 totals in the 23 year history of the event!
- Combined, teams saw:
---40 species of warblers
---26 species of shorebirds plus another 16 species of gulls and terns
---26 species of waterfowl
---25 species of flycatchers
---21 species of raptors

Teams set records for the highest species count in three different tournament categories this year: Adult Regional Big Day-Prairies and Pineywoods West, Big Sit-Upper Texas Coast, and Big Sit-Prairies and Pineywoods West!

While there were some notable misses this year with Eastern Whip-poor-will, Golden-crowned Kinglets, and Purple Finches, as you can see above teams in general really had some fantastic finds this year! One team even found a Short-eared Owl!

Despite some heavy rains during the final half of the tournament, it looks like many of you had a great run this year, setting the bar high for future years. Mark your calendars now for the April 1, 2020 registration deadline for the 24th Annual Birding Classic. It's going to be a fun one!

Please find final team standings online: https://tpwd.texas.gov/events/great-texas-birding-classic/winnersreports/2019-birding-classic-final-results_formatted.pdf
To see photos from this year's event as well as the slideshow from Saturday's Awards Ceremonies, visit our Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/birdingclassic/

Thanks for all of your support and participation!

Shelly
______________________
Shelly Plante
Nature Tourism Manager
Texas Parks and Wildlife Department-HQ
4200 Smith School Road, Austin, TX 78744
Office: 512-389-4500
Cell: 512-241-9163


 

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Date: 6/4/19 10:16 am
From: Anthony Hewetson <fattonybirds...>
Subject: [texbirds] Highlights from Circle Breeding Bird Survey
Greetings All:

I completed the Circle BBS on Sunday (will post a full report when I
get a chance) and kicked out the following highlights: 1 Ring-necked
Pheasant near Circle, 2 Ring-necked Pheasants near Earth, 1
Ring-necked Pheasant near Springlake, 2 Say's Phoebes near Earth, and
1 male Bronzed Cowbird in Earth.

On the way home I had 1 Blue-winged Teal near Circle, 2 Blue-winged
Teals near Fieldton, 2 Black-necked Stilts near Circle, 6 American
Avocets near Circle, 4 American Avocets near Fieldton, 7 Cattle Egrets
near Bainer, 3 White-faced Ibises near Circle, 1 Willow Flycatcher
near Bainer, 2 Say's Phoebes near Bainer, 1 Bell's Vireo near
Fieldton, 4 Cave Swallows near Bainer, 4 Cave Swallows near Circle, 3
Cave Swallows near Fieldton, and 1 male Lark BUnting near Fieldton.

Anthony Hewetson; Lubbock
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Date: 6/4/19 10:13 am
From: Anthony Hewetson <fattonybirds...>
Subject: [texbirds] Highlights from Post Breeding Bird Survey
Greetings All:

I completed the Post BBS on Saturday (will post full report when I get
a chance) and kicked out the following highlights: 2 Blue-winged Teals
well west of Post, 1 Blue-winged Teal west of Post, 2 Northern
Shovelers west of Post, 1 Black-necked Stilt well west of Post, 1
Bell's Vireo in Post, 2 Purple Martins in Post, 2 Northern
Rough-winged Swallows just west of Post, 1 Verdin just west of Post, 1
Cactus Wren just west of Post, 1 male Bronzed Cowbird northeast of
Post, 1 Common Yellowthroat well west of Post, 1 Pyrrhuloxia northeast
of Post, 1 male Indigo Bunting northeast of Post, and 1 male Indigo
Bunting in Post.

On the way home I had 1 Great Egret north of Post and 1 Snowy Egret
north of Post.

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Date: 6/3/19 11:32 am
From: Nina S <dmarc-noreply...> (Redacted sender birds.nina for DMARC)
Subject: [texbirds] Red Phalarope


Here Now.

Jersey Village wetlands as reported in ebird.

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Date: 6/3/19 9:25 am
From: David Sarkozi <david...>
Subject: [texbirds] Re: Red Phalarope Harris County 6-2-18 7 am
There are several positive reports for the Red Phalarope for today Jun 3,
2019

On Sun, Jun 2, 2019 at 3:15 PM Bill Eisele <transportationbill...>
wrote:

> The Red Phalarope continues at 3 PM Sunday. It was working the shoreline
> across from the peninsula.
>
> Thanks for sharing this special sighting.
>
> Bill Eisele
> College station, tx
>
> On Sun, Jun 2, 2019, 7:20 AM Sonny Bratz <dmarc-noreply...>
> wrote:
>
>> The Red Phalarope found yesterday by Nicholas De Maio continues this
>> morning at the same location he found it yesterday at the Jersey Village
>> Jogging Trail Wetlands. Numerous ebird reports were submitted yesterday
>> with photos and exact location
>>
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Date: 6/3/19 8:22 am
From: Mark Lockwood <mwlockwood402...>
Subject: [texbirds] Brown-crested Flycatcher at The Post (south of Marathon) yesterday
I visited The Post (the actual name is Fort Pena Colorado Park) south of
Marathon, Brewster County, to see the continuing Yellow-green Vireo. There
was a Brown-crested Flycatcher there as well and I think it may be from the
population in the Southwest. Southwestern birds, *M. t. magister*, are
larger than the birds from South Texas, *M. t. cooperi*, with a much
heavier bill. Identifying subspecies always has a level of uncertainly,
but this is an interesting bird. *Magister *is a very rare to casual
summer visitor to El Paso County and this is the first bird I have seen in
Brewster County that has made me think it could be from the west. I have
photographed the birds in the breeding population along the Rio Grande
several times and they are certainly smaller billed than this individual.
For anyone interested I have put an image of the flycatcher as well as
several of the vireo on my Flickr page at

https://www.flickr.com/photos/70194759@N05/

The birds at The Post must be used to people as many of them are very
confiding, including the vireo.


Mark



Mark Lockwood


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Date: 6/3/19 7:34 am
From: Collins, Fred (Commissioner Pct. 3) <Fred.Collins...>
Subject: [texbirds] Any follow-up on Red-breasted Meadowlark?
There was a report on May 27 in Ingram, Texas, Kerr County of an adult male. No photo but by the description it is not a simple posting error. I did a quick internet search and found none for sale.

Fred Collins
Director, Kleb Woods Nature Preserve
20303 Draper Road
Tomball, Texas 77377

Commissioner Steve Radack
Precinct 3, Harris County
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Date: 6/2/19 5:21 pm
From: Susan Foster <idratherbebirding...>
Subject: [texbirds] Sooty Tern at Rockport Beach Park
Serendipitously found a Sooty Tern sitting in the open on the sand at Rockport Beach today. This is the same area it’s been seen in previous years—in amongst the thousands of Laughing Gulls. As I drove by, I saw what I thought was a lone Skimmer. It had its back to me. Stopped to take a look through my binoculars. It turned its head; it was a Sooty Tern! Didn’t have my camera because I supposedly wasn’t birding, so I took a quick photo with my iPhone. Parked, walked back, did not relocate, but only looked about 10-15 minutes as it is very hot and humid here. 🥵 The grass and sunflowers are very deep this year. This is why it’s better to be lucky than good.

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Date: 6/2/19 3:22 pm
From: Susan Schaezler <susan...>
Subject: [texbirds] 6-2-19 Yellow-bellied Flycatcher, Parula @ Warbler Woods Bird Sanctuary
6-2-19 Yellow-bellied Flycatcher, Parula @ Warbler Woods Bird Sanctuary

Enjoyed a Yellow-bellied Flycatcher at Warbler Woods Bird Sanctuary today and Northern Parula continue to please—3 at once today! So excited that they are nesting here for the first time!

I turn on a small sprinkler ~1030 am and it really brings out the birds

Susan Schaezler
WarblerWoods.org, http://ebird.org/ebird/hotspot/L213585?yr=cur
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Date: 6/2/19 2:33 pm
From: Bill Eisele <transportationbill...>
Subject: [texbirds] Re: Red Phalarope Harris County 6-2-18 7 am
The Red Phalarope continues at 3 PM Sunday. It was working the shoreline
across from the peninsula.

Thanks for sharing this special sighting.

Bill Eisele
College station, tx

On Sun, Jun 2, 2019, 7:20 AM Sonny Bratz <dmarc-noreply...>
wrote:

> The Red Phalarope found yesterday by Nicholas De Maio continues this
> morning at the same location he found it yesterday at the Jersey Village
> Jogging Trail Wetlands. Numerous ebird reports were submitted yesterday
> with photos and exact location
>
> Sonny Bratz
> Spring TX
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Date: 6/2/19 7:20 am
From: Susan Schaezler <susan...>
Subject: [texbirds] 6-2-19 Northern Parula nesting @ Warbler Woods Bird Sanctuary
6-2-19 Northern Parula nesting @ Warbler Woods Bird Sanctuary

We are excited—it appears that Northern Parula are nesting in Warbler Woods Bird Sanctuary for the first time! The 30th, two young males were seen behind the Warbler Pond and on the 31st, a young female was seen and yesterday, a young male was seen! We are very excited! Yellow-breasted Chat was seen the last few days and Common Yellowthroat are nesting out there.

Through the years, we have had many out of range birds move in—Long-billed Thrasher, Hutton’s Vireo, Common Pauraque are all resident here!

Here is the link to our data!
https://ebird.org/barchart?byr=1900&eyr=2019&bmo=1&emo=12&r=L213585

Susan Schaezler
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Date: 6/2/19 5:20 am
From: Sonny Bratz <dmarc-noreply...> (Redacted sender ibratz for DMARC)
Subject: [texbirds] Red Phalarope Harris County 6-2-18 7 am
The Red Phalarope found yesterday by Nicholas De Maio continues this morning at the same location he found it yesterday at the Jersey Village Jogging Trail Wetlands. Numerous ebird reports were submitted yesterday with photos and exact location

Sonny Bratz
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Date: 6/1/19 12:26 pm
From: John Faber <jrfabertx...>
Subject: [texbirds] Re: Harris County Red Phalarope
Great find Nick!
Thanks to you and John Berner for quickly getting the word out.
A GREAT BIRD!
Still here, actively foraging around the entire shoreline. When I was
observing the bird at 2pm-ish, we needed to enter the peninsula from the
East side to get a view. Birders are giving the bird good space. I did see
the bird fly a short distance (on its own; not flushed) but otherwise it
seems quite content feeding in this surprising location.
It was a hard bird to leave. Only the sweltering heat encouraged me to
depart.
John Faber
Houston TX

On Sat, Jun 1, 2019 at 10:54 AM Berner Family <dmarc-noreply...>
wrote:

> NW Harris County. Jersey Village retention basin. Found by Nick DeMaio.
> Photographed. Breeding plumage female. Now. Check ebird
> For directions.
>
> John Berner
> Houston
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
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Date: 6/1/19 8:54 am
From: Berner Family <dmarc-noreply...> (Redacted sender jcazberner for DMARC)
Subject: [texbirds] Harris County Red Phalarope
NW Harris County. Jersey Village retention basin. Found by Nick DeMaio. Photographed. Breeding plumage female. Now. Check ebird
For directions.
John Berner Houston 

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Date: 6/1/19 8:20 am
From: Noreen Baker <gnbaker92...>
Subject: [texbirds] Red Phalarope in Jersey Village
Red Phalarope in full breeding plumage being seen now on large pond on north side of Jersey Meadows st opposite of the golf course. Beautiful bird. Better directions may be in eBitd now.

Noreen Baker
Austin TX
(But luckily in Houstoni for the Ref-vented Bulbul survey)

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Date: 5/31/19 1:53 pm
From: <scott...>
Subject: [texbirds] Re: Bewicks Wren Help
Y’all must have much better computer screens than I do cause I can’t see the stuff you are referring to. Oh well. Back outside…



From: <texbirds-bounce...> <texbirds-bounce...> On Behalf Of Mark and Brenda Steuer
Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2019 1:54 PM
To: <Texbirds...>; <mitch...>
Subject: [texbirds] Re: Bewicks Wren Help



I agree with the writer below that the bird is a Carolina Wren. As Mitch Heindel points out, the belly/lower breast

is relatively warm-colored. The eastern form of Bewick's can have subtle buff color on the lower flanks, but

this bird is somewhat buffy on the lower breast. Also, the bill is too heavy for a Bewick's. The tail length, to my eyes,

is trickier, as it appears longish in the photos, but I believe this is due to the perspective. The most obvious

point to my mind, which hasn't been mentioned, but nails it as a Carolina, is the pale legs, clearly visible

in the photos.



Mark Steuer

Houston



On Wednesday, May 29, 2019, 10:46:52 PM CDT, <mitch...> <mailto:<mitch...> <mitch...> <mailto:<mitch...> > wrote:






This bird is a Carolina Wren. The tail length is a good clue.
It is not long enough to be a Bewick's Wren tail. The buffy
underparts are pale, but clearly pale carmel or butterscotch,
something you never see in a Bewick's Wren. It never has any
warmth in the underparts. This color varies greatly with wear,
they can be very pale, especially the incubating female after a
nesting attempt or two with feathers nearing a year old. The
rufous on the wing is too red for a Bewick's. The bird is too
fat and chunky to be a Bewick's Wren. Size shape and structure
are all Carolina.

Mitch Heindel
Utopia



> BEHALF OF John Blackwell
> SENT: Tuesday, May 28, 2019 5:14 PM
> TO: Texbirds <Texbirds...> <mailto:<Texbirds...> >
> SUBJECT: [texbirds] Bewicks Wren Help


>
> On May 21, 2019 I saw what I assumed to be a Carolina Wren, as I have
> many of them on my property including nesting and fledged birds. But
> this bird was wagging its tail in the way of a Bewicks. I looked
> closer and went for the camera. I used my phone to play the Bewicks
> song and the wren came directly to it as you can see in the pictures.
> I observed it later, and it continued the incessant tail wagging.
> Ebird shows Bewicks as rare for Colorado County. I have not entered it
> yet, as I thought I might get some input first.
>
> Would a Carolina come to a bewicks call in defense of its territory?
>
> Do some Carolinas wag their tails like Bewicks?
>
> It did scold, but I could not separate them out based on that and did
> not record it. The link below has 3 pictures of the bird.
>
> https://drive.google.com/open?id=1xt5fVbEp-Bb_uueVt6SGg-gbwmFQu1zH
>
> Thanks,
>
> John A. Blackwell
>
> North Central Colorado County


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Date: 5/31/19 7:40 am
From: Joseph Kennedy <josephkennedy36...>
Subject: [texbirds] Galveston to Anahuac Tuesday, Oystercatchers and shorebirds
Started the day at sunrise on East Beach at Galveston to look for my friend
the pomarine jaeger. Kept looking out where there were a few gulls and
terns with no luck and discovered the jaeger about 15 feet away working on
a piece of dried fish.

https://pbase.com/joseph_kennedy_36/image/169282991

He spent about a half hour at that task but eventually flew out to the wet
sand and lay down to rest

https://pbase.com/joseph_kennedy_36/image/169282992

the bird is in much better plumage than the 2016 bird

https://pbase.com/joseph_kennedy_36/image/163681688

but appears to have the same broken bit missing from the beak as the
earlier bird.

https://pbase.com/joseph_kennedy_36/image/164062765

The turtle patrol had found a jaeger at the spot in both 2015 and 2017 but
not on a regular basis. And it sure acts like the older bird.

Oystercatchers continue out on the beach but not the same birds as last
week. On bolivar many were second year birds this week but almost all were
adults last week. A new banded bird on on east beach

https://pbase.com/joseph_kennedy_36/image/169282988

Had a total of 15 oystercatchers on the beaches for the day.

8 red knots were working the sargassum near the jetty area with one bird
somewhat red. It is quite worn and looks like the bird that had been on
Bolivar for the last 2 weeks as you can watch them go across the ship
channel.

https://pbase.com/joseph_kennedy_36/image/169282994

But not as worn as last weeks bird that was already molting into fresh
winter plumage

https://pbase.com/joseph_kennedy_36/image/169241899

In general, there are still good numbers of sanderlings, ruddy turnstones
and semipalmated sandpipers on all the beaches. Also american avocets and
western willets. One white-rumped sandpiper was found on each stop. This
western willet molted but did not migrate is starting to molt to winter
plumage

https://pbase.com/joseph_kennedy_36/image/169282993

Royal terns are starting to gather as some probably had nesting failures
with the high tides and hail.

The annual coconut migration has begun and numbers are greatest in years
with sargassum weed. Not a great weed year but much better than the last
few years. But no summering non-breeding black, least and common terns
which need lots of sargassum.

https://pbase.com/joseph_kennedy_36/image/169282989

The feeding frenzy behind the ferry was absent this trip as were the
frigatebirds. The shrimp trawler did not have following birds either.

This oystercatcher has hid its band for over a year but was almost too
close to photograph on Wednesday

https://pbase.com/joseph_kennedy_36/image/169282999

The only repeat banded oystercatcher from last week was this one working on
a dead fish carcass

https://pbase.com/joseph_kennedy_36/image/169283002

https://pbase.com/joseph_kennedy_36/image/169283003

Later he was taking lessons from 2 laughing gulls in how to open a sandwich
bag that had food inside

The high tide resulted in very little mud for shorebirds and only a few
terns out on the sand. This pair was coming in to join the group

https://pbase.com/joseph_kennedy_36/image/169283007

A flock of semipalmated sandpipers was flycatching little brine flies from
the sand

https://pbase.com/joseph_kennedy_36/image/169283008

Very hard to photograph in 35 mph gusts and they were running and darting
but did show off their semipalmatedness

https://pbase.com/joseph_kennedy_36/image/169283009

A banded white phase reddish egret was out there along with 10 other birds.
Some are adults whereas all the summer birds last year were 1st year
non-breeders.

https://pbase.com/joseph_kennedy_36/image/169283006

https://pbase.com/joseph_kennedy_36/image/169283005

Going east from Bolivar the beaches only had turnstones and sanderlings.
And the water got deeper with less habitat as the tide was aimed at
Rollover where there were no islands or mud.

Not much in the rice fields which were in a dry phase. A few seaside
sparrows were sitting up a bit singing at Anahuac but most other birds were
down out of the wind. The shoveler pond rookery is going great guns with
only cattle egrets carrying nesting material. Most of the usual waterbirds
were out of the wind too. The newly opened boardwalk did have good close
birds and the wind kept any flies and mosquitoes down out of sight and bite.

Found no hawks for the trip and have not had many this summer. The usual
spots for white-tailed kites and swainson's hawks do not have them this
summer but caracara continue to do well.

And in only 3 weeks or so, the southward shorebird migration will begin.

--
Joseph C. Kennedy
on Buffalo Bayou in West Houston
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Date: 5/30/19 3:28 pm
From: John Blackwell <john.a.blackwell51...>
Subject: [texbirds] Re: Bewicks Wren Help
Fred, thanks for that. Having tails seems a wonderful idea. I was wondering
about both the response to the call and the tail wagging. I'll remember
that.



John A. Blackwell
Columbus, Tx. Colorado County

On Thu, May 30, 2019, 17:08 Collins, Fred (Commissioner Pct. 3) <
<Fred.Collins...> wrote:

> Identifying birds is not a democratic process. It really doesn’t matter
> how many people chime in one way or the other. It is a Carolina Wren as
> several people have taken their time to explain. Regarding call back, I
> often play off the wall calls at non-responsive or poor responsive
> individuals. Out of curiosity to a novel call many species will come
> forward to investigate the unknown songster. Wrens often do this and I find
> playing winter wren song will draw the all in. Just because a bird
> investigates a call does not make it by rule to be the same species as the
> call. As for tail wagging, most species will at one time or another. I
> suppose if I had one, I might wag it at someone sometime just because I
> could.
>
>
>
> Birding is a wonderful life long journey. No matter how long you watch you
> will see something new every time you slow down and watch.
>
>
>
>
>
> *Fred Collins*
>
> Director, Kleb Woods Nature Preserve
>
> 20303 Draper Road
>
> Tomball, Texas 77377
>
>
>
> *Commissioner Steve Radack*
>
> Precinct 3, Harris County
>
> www.pct3.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* <texbirds-bounce...> <texbirds-bounce...> *On
> Behalf Of *Mark and Brenda Steuer
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 30, 2019 1:54 PM
> *To:* <Texbirds...>; <mitch...>
> *Subject:* [texbirds] Re: Bewicks Wren Help
>
>
>
> I agree with the writer below that the bird is a Carolina Wren. As Mitch
> Heindel points out, the belly/lower breast
>
> is relatively warm-colored. The eastern form of Bewick's can have subtle
> buff color on the lower flanks, but
>
> this bird is somewhat buffy on the lower breast. Also, the bill is too
> heavy for a Bewick's. The tail length, to my eyes,
>
> is trickier, as it appears longish in the photos, but I believe this is
> due to the perspective. The most obvious
>
> point to my mind, which hasn't been mentioned, but nails it as a Carolina,
> is the pale legs, clearly visible
>
> in the photos.
>
>
>
> Mark Steuer
>
> Houston
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, May 29, 2019, 10:46:52 PM CDT, <mitch...> <
> <mitch...> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
> This bird is a Carolina Wren. The tail length is a good clue.
> It is not long enough to be a Bewick's Wren tail. The buffy
> underparts are pale, but clearly pale carmel or butterscotch,
> something you never see in a Bewick's Wren. It never has any
> warmth in the underparts. This color varies greatly with wear,
> they can be very pale, especially the incubating female after a
> nesting attempt or two with feathers nearing a year old. The
> rufous on the wing is too red for a Bewick's. The bird is too
> fat and chunky to be a Bewick's Wren. Size shape and structure
> are all Carolina.
>
> Mitch Heindel
> Utopia
>
>
>
> > BEHALF OF John Blackwell
> > SENT: Tuesday, May 28, 2019 5:14 PM
> > TO: Texbirds <Texbirds...>
> > SUBJECT: [texbirds] Bewicks Wren Help
>
>
> >
> > On May 21, 2019 I saw what I assumed to be a Carolina Wren, as I have
> > many of them on my property including nesting and fledged birds. But
> > this bird was wagging its tail in the way of a Bewicks. I looked
> > closer and went for the camera. I used my phone to play the Bewicks
> > song and the wren came directly to it as you can see in the pictures.
> > I observed it later, and it continued the incessant tail wagging.
> > Ebird shows Bewicks as rare for Colorado County. I have not entered it
> > yet, as I thought I might get some input first.
> >
> > Would a Carolina come to a bewicks call in defense of its territory?
> >
> > Do some Carolinas wag their tails like Bewicks?
> >
> > It did scold, but I could not separate them out based on that and did
> > not record it. The link below has 3 pictures of the bird.
> >
> > https://drive.google.com/open?id=1xt5fVbEp-Bb_uueVt6SGg-gbwmFQu1zH
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > John A. Blackwell
> >
> > North Central Colorado County
>
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Date: 5/30/19 3:08 pm
From: Collins, Fred (Commissioner Pct. 3) <Fred.Collins...>
Subject: [texbirds] Re: Bewicks Wren Help
Identifying birds is not a democratic process. It really doesn’t matter how many people chime in one way or the other. It is a Carolina Wren as several people have taken their time to explain. Regarding call back, I often play off the wall calls at non-responsive or poor responsive individuals. Out of curiosity to a novel call many species will come forward to investigate the unknown songster. Wrens often do this and I find playing winter wren song will draw the all in. Just because a bird investigates a call does not make it by rule to be the same species as the call. As for tail wagging, most species will at one time or another. I suppose if I had one, I might wag it at someone sometime just because I could.

Birding is a wonderful life long journey. No matter how long you watch you will see something new every time you slow down and watch.


Fred Collins
Director, Kleb Woods Nature Preserve
20303 Draper Road
Tomball, Texas 77377

Commissioner Steve Radack
Precinct 3, Harris County
www.pct3.com<http://www.pct3.com>



From: <texbirds-bounce...> <texbirds-bounce...> On Behalf Of Mark and Brenda Steuer
Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2019 1:54 PM
To: <Texbirds...>; <mitch...>
Subject: [texbirds] Re: Bewicks Wren Help

I agree with the writer below that the bird is a Carolina Wren. As Mitch Heindel points out, the belly/lower breast
is relatively warm-colored. The eastern form of Bewick's can have subtle buff color on the lower flanks, but
this bird is somewhat buffy on the lower breast. Also, the bill is too heavy for a Bewick's. The tail length, to my eyes,
is trickier, as it appears longish in the photos, but I believe this is due to the perspective. The most obvious
point to my mind, which hasn't been mentioned, but nails it as a Carolina, is the pale legs, clearly visible
in the photos.

Mark Steuer
Houston

On Wednesday, May 29, 2019, 10:46:52 PM CDT, <mitch...><mailto:<mitch...> <mitch...><mailto:<mitch...>> wrote:



This bird is a Carolina Wren. The tail length is a good clue.
It is not long enough to be a Bewick's Wren tail. The buffy
underparts are pale, but clearly pale carmel or butterscotch,
something you never see in a Bewick's Wren. It never has any
warmth in the underparts. This color varies greatly with wear,
they can be very pale, especially the incubating female after a
nesting attempt or two with feathers nearing a year old. The
rufous on the wing is too red for a Bewick's. The bird is too
fat and chunky to be a Bewick's Wren. Size shape and structure
are all Carolina.

Mitch Heindel
Utopia



> BEHALF OF John Blackwell
> SENT: Tuesday, May 28, 2019 5:14 PM
> TO: Texbirds <Texbirds...><mailto:<Texbirds...>>
> SUBJECT: [texbirds] Bewicks Wren Help

>
> On May 21, 2019 I saw what I assumed to be a Carolina Wren, as I have
> many of them on my property including nesting and fledged birds. But
> this bird was wagging its tail in the way of a Bewicks. I looked
> closer and went for the camera. I used my phone to play the Bewicks
> song and the wren came directly to it as you can see in the pictures.
> I observed it later, and it continued the incessant tail wagging.
> Ebird shows Bewicks as rare for Colorado County. I have not entered it
> yet, as I thought I might get some input first.
>
> Would a Carolina come to a bewicks call in defense of its territory?
>
> Do some Carolinas wag their tails like Bewicks?
>
> It did scold, but I could not separate them out based on that and did
> not record it. The link below has 3 pictures of the bird.
>
> https://drive.google.com/open?id=1xt5fVbEp-Bb_uueVt6SGg-gbwmFQu1zH
>
> Thanks,
>
> John A. Blackwell
>
> North Central Colorado County

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Date: 5/30/19 11:55 am
From: Mark and Brenda Steuer <steuers...>
Subject: [texbirds] Re: Bewicks Wren Help
I agree with the writer below that the bird is a Carolina Wren. As Mitch Heindel points out, the belly/lower breast is relatively warm-colored. The eastern form of Bewick's can have subtle buff color on the lower flanks, but this bird is somewhat buffy on the lower breast. Also, the bill is too heavy for a Bewick's. The tail length, to my eyes,is trickier, as it appears longish in the photos, but I believe this is due to the perspective. The most obvious point to my mind, which hasn't been mentioned, but nails it as a Carolina, is the pale legs, clearly visible in the photos.
Mark SteuerHouston
On Wednesday, May 29, 2019, 10:46:52 PM CDT, <mitch...> <mitch...> wrote:


This bird is a Carolina Wren.  The tail length is a good clue.
It is not long enough to be a Bewick's Wren tail.  The buffy
underparts are pale, but clearly pale carmel or butterscotch,
something you never see in a Bewick's Wren.  It never has any
warmth in the underparts.  This color varies greatly with wear,
they can be very pale, especially the incubating female after a
nesting attempt or two with feathers nearing a year old.  The
rufous on the wing is too red for a Bewick's.  The bird is too
fat and chunky to be a Bewick's Wren.  Size shape and structure
are all Carolina.

Mitch Heindel
Utopia



> BEHALF OF John Blackwell
> SENT: Tuesday, May 28, 2019 5:14 PM
> TO: Texbirds <Texbirds...>
> SUBJECT: [texbirds] Bewicks Wren Help
>
> On May 21, 2019 I saw what I assumed to be a Carolina Wren, as I have
> many of them on my property including nesting and fledged birds. But
> this bird was wagging its tail in the way of a Bewicks. I looked
> closer and went for the camera. I used my phone to play the Bewicks
> song and the wren came directly to it as you can see in the pictures.
> I observed it later, and it continued the incessant tail wagging.
> Ebird shows Bewicks as rare for Colorado County. I have not entered it
> yet, as I thought I might get some input first.
>
> Would a Carolina come to a bewicks call in defense of its territory?
>
> Do some Carolinas  wag their tails like Bewicks?
>
> It did scold, but I could not separate them out based on that and did
> not record it.  The link below has 3 pictures of the bird.
>
> https://drive.google.com/open?id=1xt5fVbEp-Bb_uueVt6SGg-gbwmFQu1zH
>
> Thanks,
>
> John A. Blackwell
>
> North Central Colorado County
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Date: 5/30/19 11:47 am
From: John Blackwell <john.a.blackwell51...>
Subject: [texbirds] Re: Bewicks Wren Help
I looked closely for the white corners but only saw the white edging. I
have only seen a few bewick's and did not know how prevalent the white
would be. I very much appreciate all the dialogue. I have certainly
benefited from it. Thanks to everyone.



John A. Blackwell
Columbus, Tx. Colorado County

On Wed, May 29, 2019, 17:56 Frank Ohrt <fgohrt...> wrote:

> I agree. Did you see any white on the corners of its tail? That would be
> Bewick’s, for sure.
>
> Frank Ohrt
> Houston
>
> On May 29, 2019, at 3:41 PM, <scott...> <scott...>
> wrote:
>
> I’m not the world’s best birder, but I usually expect to see more of a
> buffy color on Caroline wren underparts, but light grey/off white on
> Bewicks. This one looks like a Bewicks to me.
>
> *From:* <texbirds-bounce...> <texbirds-bounce...> *On
> Behalf Of *John Blackwell
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 28, 2019 5:14 PM
> *To:* Texbirds <Texbirds...>
> *Subject:* [texbirds] Bewicks Wren Help
>
> On May 21, 2019 I saw what I assumed to be a Carolina Wren, as I have many
> of them on my property including nesting and fledged birds. But this bird
> was wagging its tail in the way of a Bewicks. I looked closer and went for
> the camera. I used my phone to play the Bewicks song and the wren came
> directly to it as you can see in the pictures. I observed it later, and it
> continued the incessant tail wagging. Ebird shows Bewicks as rare for
> Colorado County. I have not entered it yet, as I thought I might get some
> input first.
>
> Would a Carolina come to a bewicks call in defense of its territory?
>
> Do some Carolinas wag their tails like Bewicks?
>
> It did scold, but I could not separate them out based on that and did not
> record it. The link below has 3 pictures of the bird.
>
>
> https://drive.google.com/open?id=1xt5fVbEp-Bb_uueVt6SGg-gbwmFQu1zH
>
> Thanks,
> John A. Blackwell
> North Central Colorado County
>
>
>

 

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Date: 5/29/19 11:01 pm
From: Tad Finnell <tadcipiter...>
Subject: [texbirds] Re: Bewicks Wren Help
On 5/29/2019 3:41 PM, <scott...> wrote:
>
> I’m not the world’s best birder, but I usually expect to see more of a
> buffy color on Caroline wren underparts, but light grey/off white on
> Bewicks. This one looks like a Bewicks to me.
>
> *From:* <texbirds-bounce...> <texbirds-bounce...>
> *On Behalf Of *John Blackwell
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 28, 2019 5:14 PM
> *To:* Texbirds <Texbirds...>
> *Subject:* [texbirds] Bewicks Wren Help
>
> On May 21, 2019 I saw what I assumed to be a Carolina Wren, as I have
> many of them on my property including nesting and fledged birds. But
> this bird was wagging its tail in the way of a Bewicks. I looked
> closer and went for the camera. I used my phone to play the Bewicks
> song and the wren came directly to it as you can see in the pictures.
> I observed it later, and it continued the incessant tail wagging.
> Ebird shows Bewicks as rare for Colorado County. I have not entered it
> yet, as I thought I might get some input first.
>
> Would a Carolina come to a bewicks call in defense of its territory?
>
> Do some Carolinas  wag their tails like Bewicks?
>
> It did scold, but I could not separate them out based on that and did
> not record it.  The link below has 3 pictures of the bird.
>
> https://drive.google.com/open?id=1xt5fVbEp-Bb_uueVt6SGg-gbwmFQu1zH
>
> Thanks,
>
> John A. Blackwell
>
> North Central Colorado County
>
   I would think that with three photos one would be able to get a good
feel for that bird, but I can't as the angles aren't what I feel comfortable
with. That said, I don't get a 'feel' for Bewicks. Especially at this
time of
year you can't rule out a juvie Carolina, and that's what it looks like
to me.
                      Tad Finnell
                     Lake Jackson

 

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Date: 5/29/19 8:47 pm
From: <mitch...>
Subject: [texbirds] Re: Bewicks Wren Help

This bird is a Carolina Wren. The tail length is a good clue.
It is not long enough to be a Bewick's Wren tail. The buffy
underparts are pale, but clearly pale carmel or butterscotch,
something you never see in a Bewick's Wren. It never has any
warmth in the underparts. This color varies greatly with wear,
they can be very pale, especially the incubating female after a
nesting attempt or two with feathers nearing a year old. The
rufous on the wing is too red for a Bewick's. The bird is too
fat and chunky to be a Bewick's Wren. Size shape and structure
are all Carolina.

Mitch Heindel
Utopia



> BEHALF OF John Blackwell
> SENT: Tuesday, May 28, 2019 5:14 PM
> TO: Texbirds <Texbirds...>
> SUBJECT: [texbirds] Bewicks Wren Help
>
> On May 21, 2019 I saw what I assumed to be a Carolina Wren, as I have
> many of them on my property including nesting and fledged birds. But
> this bird was wagging its tail in the way of a Bewicks. I looked
> closer and went for the camera. I used my phone to play the Bewicks
> song and the wren came directly to it as you can see in the pictures.
> I observed it later, and it continued the incessant tail wagging.
> Ebird shows Bewicks as rare for Colorado County. I have not entered it
> yet, as I thought I might get some input first.
>
> Would a Carolina come to a bewicks call in defense of its territory?
>
> Do some Carolinas wag their tails like Bewicks?
>
> It did scold, but I could not separate them out based on that and did
> not record it. The link below has 3 pictures of the bird.
>
> https://drive.google.com/open?id=1xt5fVbEp-Bb_uueVt6SGg-gbwmFQu1zH
>
> Thanks,
>
> John A. Blackwell
>
> North Central Colorado County
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Date: 5/29/19 3:57 pm
From: Frank Ohrt <fgohrt...>
Subject: [texbirds] Re: Bewicks Wren Help
I agree. Did you see any white on the corners of its tail? That would be Bewick’s, for sure.

Frank Ohrt
Houston
> On May 29, 2019, at 3:41 PM, <scott...> <scott...> wrote:
>
> I’m not the world’s best birder, but I usually expect to see more of a buffy color on Caroline wren underparts, but light grey/off white on Bewicks. This one looks like a Bewicks to me.
>
> From: <texbirds-bounce...> <mailto:<texbirds-bounce...> <texbirds-bounce...> <mailto:<texbirds-bounce...>> On Behalf Of John Blackwell
> Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2019 5:14 PM
> To: Texbirds <Texbirds...> <mailto:<Texbirds...>>
> Subject: [texbirds] Bewicks Wren Help
>
> On May 21, 2019 I saw what I assumed to be a Carolina Wren, as I have many of them on my property including nesting and fledged birds. But this bird was wagging its tail in the way of a Bewicks. I looked closer and went for the camera. I used my phone to play the Bewicks song and the wren came directly to it as you can see in the pictures. I observed it later, and it continued the incessant tail wagging. Ebird shows Bewicks as rare for Colorado County. I have not entered it yet, as I thought I might get some input first.
>
> Would a Carolina come to a bewicks call in defense of its territory?
>
> Do some Carolinas wag their tails like Bewicks?
>
> It did scold, but I could not separate them out based on that and did not record it. The link below has 3 pictures of the bird.
>
>
> https://drive.google.com/open?id=1xt5fVbEp-Bb_uueVt6SGg-gbwmFQu1zH <https://drive.google.com/open?id=1xt5fVbEp-Bb_uueVt6SGg-gbwmFQu1zH>
>
> Thanks,
> John A. Blackwell
> North Central Colorado County


 

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Date: 5/29/19 2:40 pm
From: Lea Simmons <lsimmons1575...>
Subject: [texbirds] Re: Mary Jo Ballator's passing
So sorry to hear this. We were fortunate to have been out to her place
twice in the last three years. She was a really special lady, I know she
will be dearly missed.

Lea Simmons

On Wed, May 29, 2019 at 4:29 PM Jennifer Miller <foundnatureblog...>
wrote:

> I haven't seen any info about this here, but Mary Jo Ballator of Ash
> Canyon B&B passed away over the weekend. I am sure many on this list serv
> have visited her and, like me, have fond memories. The following was posted
> by Tony Battiste on Ash Canyon's FB page.
>
> “A kind and gentle spirit left our worldly presence yesterday morning.
> Mary Jo Ballator, creator and steward of Ash Canyon Bird Sanctuary passed,
> away surrounded by her family, at Pepe's Place Hospice in Tucson yesterday
> morning. Mary Jo loved and cherished and was knowledgeable of everything
> to do with the natural world. She was a master gardener, enthusiastic bird
> watcher, protector of everything living, creepy crawlers, insects,
> reptiles, mammals. She created a garden especially for the birds, but the
> banquet that she served daily drew every other kind of living thing,
> raccoons, ring-tailed cats, fox, javelina, deer and pesky Black Bears that
> often destroyed her feeders. Mary Jo could easily have ended their
> behavior by calling in Game and Fish to have the bears removed, but that
> was not in her nature. She knew that the end of her nuisance would also
> mean the end of the bears existence and that would be contrary to all she
> believed in. If she couldn't kill a spider, she surely could not live with
> the thought of being responsible for the death of a bear. Mary Jo became
> instantly famous back in 2003, when a Plain-capped Starthroat Hummingbird
> showed up in her garden. Birders came from across the country to see this
> rarity. Soon it was discovered that Lucifer Hummingbirds could be seen
> here
> like nowhere else in SE AZ. Mary Jo opener her unique garden to the
> general public from dawn to dusk from that time to her passing, graciously
> sharing her birds and her knowledge to all that visited. In recent years,
> She had to give up her bed and breakfast business due to health reasons,
> but the birding Gods smiled down on her by sending Montezuma Quail to her
> garden, one of the Holy Graile birds that all birders seek to add to their
> life list. The bird sanctuary became the one sure spot to be able to see
> this secretive species. Mary Jo was my first friend when I moved to AZ.
> She was my BEST friend. She was a friend of EVERYONE that ever met her.
> Mary Jo will be missed, but her legacy will live on through the avian
> garden bird sanctuary she poured her life and soul into creating. The MARY
> JO BALLATOR BIRD SANCTUARY, formally known as the Ash Canyon Bird
> Sanctuary
> , will be closed until at least July 1. Presently, we are working with the
> family to find a way to re-open the garden until such time a buyer can be
> found willing to preserve what Mary Jo has created. We are looking for
> local (Sierra Vista/Hereford area) volunteers willing to maintain feeders,
> maintain the garden and act as docents to assist visiting birders. More
> info will be forth-coming. A memorial is being tentatively planned to
> coincide with Mary Jo's 75th birthday in Sept. Again, more info will
> follow. Please take a moment to reflect on your own personal connection with this
> remarkable lady. RIP, MJB I love you dear friend!!!!!!!!”
>
>
> --
> Jennifer Miller
> Lubbock, TX
>
> (o,o)
> /)_)
> " "
>
> Blog - http://foundnature.weebly.com/index.html
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Date: 5/29/19 2:30 pm
From: Jennifer Miller <foundnatureblog...>
Subject: [texbirds] Mary Jo Ballator's passing
I haven't seen any info about this here, but Mary Jo Ballator of Ash Canyon
B&B passed away over the weekend. I am sure many on this list serv have
visited her and, like me, have fond memories. The following was posted by
Tony Battiste on Ash Canyon's FB page.

“A kind and gentle spirit left our worldly presence yesterday morning.
Mary Jo Ballator, creator and steward of Ash Canyon Bird Sanctuary passed,
away surrounded by her family, at Pepe's Place Hospice in Tucson yesterday
morning. Mary Jo loved and cherished and was knowledgeable of everything
to do with the natural world. She was a master gardener, enthusiastic bird
watcher, protector of everything living, creepy crawlers, insects,
reptiles, mammals. She created a garden especially for the birds, but the
banquet that she served daily drew every other kind of living thing,
raccoons, ring-tailed cats, fox, javelina, deer and pesky Black Bears that
often destroyed her feeders. Mary Jo could easily have ended their
behavior by calling in Game and Fish to have the bears removed, but that
was not in her nature. She knew that the end of her nuisance would also
mean the end of the bears existence and that would be contrary to all she
believed in. If she couldn't kill a spider, she surely could not live with
the thought of being responsible for the death of a bear. Mary Jo became
instantly famous back in 2003, when a Plain-capped Starthroat Hummingbird
showed up in her garden. Birders came from across the country to see this
rarity. Soon it was discovered that Lucifer Hummingbirds could be seen here
like nowhere else in SE AZ. Mary Jo opener her unique garden to the
general public from dawn to dusk from that time to her passing, graciously
sharing her birds and her knowledge to all that visited. In recent years,
She had to give up her bed and breakfast business due to health reasons,
but the birding Gods smiled down on her by sending Montezuma Quail to her
garden, one of the Holy Graile birds that all birders seek to add to their
life list. The bird sanctuary became the one sure spot to be able to see
this secretive species. Mary Jo was my first friend when I moved to AZ.
She was my BEST friend. She was a friend of EVERYONE that ever met her.
Mary Jo will be missed, but her legacy will live on through the avian
garden bird sanctuary she poured her life and soul into creating. The MARY
JO BALLATOR BIRD SANCTUARY, formally known as the Ash Canyon Bird Sanctuary
, will be closed until at least July 1. Presently, we are working with the
family to find a way to re-open the garden until such time a buyer can be
found willing to preserve what Mary Jo has created. We are looking for
local (Sierra Vista/Hereford area) volunteers willing to maintain feeders,
maintain the garden and act as docents to assist visiting birders. More
info will be forth-coming. A memorial is being tentatively planned to
coincide with Mary Jo's 75th birthday in Sept. Again, more info will
follow. Please take a moment to reflect on your own personal
connection with this
remarkable lady. RIP, MJB I love you dear friend!!!!!!!!”

--
Jennifer Miller
Lubbock, TX

(o,o)
/)_)
" "

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Date: 5/29/19 1:42 pm
From: <scott...>
Subject: [texbirds] Re: Bewicks Wren Help
I’m not the world’s best birder, but I usually expect to see more of a buffy color on Caroline wren underparts, but light grey/off white on Bewicks. This one looks like a Bewicks to me.



From: <texbirds-bounce...> <texbirds-bounce...> On Behalf Of John Blackwell
Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2019 5:14 PM
To: Texbirds <Texbirds...>
Subject: [texbirds] Bewicks Wren Help



On May 21, 2019 I saw what I assumed to be a Carolina Wren, as I have many of them on my property including nesting and fledged birds. But this bird was wagging its tail in the way of a Bewicks. I looked closer and went for the camera. I used my phone to play the Bewicks song and the wren came directly to it as you can see in the pictures. I observed it later, and it continued the incessant tail wagging. Ebird shows Bewicks as rare for Colorado County. I have not entered it yet, as I thought I might get some input first.



Would a Carolina come to a bewicks call in defense of its territory?



Do some Carolinas wag their tails like Bewicks?



It did scold, but I could not separate them out based on that and did not record it. The link below has 3 pictures of the bird.





https://drive.google.com/open?id=1xt5fVbEp-Bb_uueVt6SGg-gbwmFQu1zH



Thanks,

John A. Blackwell

North Central Colorado County


 

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Date: 5/28/19 3:14 pm
From: John Blackwell <john.a.blackwell51...>
Subject: [texbirds] Bewicks Wren Help
On May 21, 2019 I saw what I assumed to be a Carolina Wren, as I have many
of them on my property including nesting and fledged birds. But this bird
was wagging its tail in the way of a Bewicks. I looked closer and went for
the camera. I used my phone to play the Bewicks song and the wren came
directly to it as you can see in the pictures. I observed it later, and it
continued the incessant tail wagging. Ebird shows Bewicks as rare for
Colorado County. I have not entered it yet, as I thought I might get some
input first.

Would a Carolina come to a bewicks call in defense of its territory?

Do some Carolinas wag their tails like Bewicks?

It did scold, but I could not separate them out based on that and did not
record it. The link below has 3 pictures of the bird.


https://drive.google.com/open?id=1xt5fVbEp-Bb_uueVt6SGg-gbwmFQu1zH

Thanks,
John A. Blackwell
North Central Colorado County

 

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Date: 5/28/19 7:52 am
From: <fcndc...>
Subject: [texbirds] Re: First Williamson Co. Couch's Kingbird breeding record
Great work Brush. You are inspiring.

Fred Collins
Sent from my iPhone

> On May 27, 2019, at 12:22 PM, Brush Freeman <brushfreeman...> wrote:
>
> This morning I finally confirmed that Couch's Kingbirds are nesting at a site barely in Cedar Park on the Cedar Park/Leander city limits line for a first Williamson Co. breeding record.............. I managed to locate the nest site by seeing one of the birds chasing grackles from the suspected area on three occasions. The nest site is almost 3 blocks away from where I hear/see the bird either early in the mornings or late afternoons almost daily. I don't provide nest locations and hope they get established. At least one bird was present in the general area for a short time last year. I have also previously made recordings posted to ebird and Inaturalist.
>
> --
>
> Brush Freeman
> Utley & Cedar Park, Texas
>
>
>
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Date: 5/27/19 12:48 pm
From: Brush Freeman <brushfreeman...>
Subject: [texbirds] Re: First Williamson Co. Couch's Kingbird breeding record
thanks Tim: I guess I was not aware of that or had forgotten...Oh well a
lot of time spent on these but it was fun at the time

On Mon, May 27, 2019 at 1:44 PM Tim Fennell <tfennell...> wrote:

> Hey Brush,
>
> Cool about the nesting COKIs but it is not the first WilCo breeding
> record. As far as I know, Dan Callaway and his birding group found the
> first COKI in WilCo in late July 2011 at Hutto Hippo Crossing. I found an
> active nest at the site and was able to document successful nesting on
> 8/1/11 (photos of nest and fledgling at
> https://ebird.org/view/checklist/S54388947).
>
> I also found an occupied nest at San Gabriel Park in Georgetown on 5/18/14
> (https://ebird.org/view/checklist/S18446676). I wasn't able to follow up
> on that one as to whether it was successful or not.
>
> Cheers,
> Tim
>
> -------------------------------------------
> On Mon, 5/27/19, Brush Freeman <brushfreeman...> wrote:
>
> Subject: [texbirds] First Williamson Co. Couch's Kingbird breeding record
> To: "<texbirds...>" <Texbirds...>
> Date: Monday, May 27, 2019, 1:22 PM
>
> This
> morning I finally confirmed that Couch's Kingbirds are
> nesting at a site barely in Cedar Park on the Cedar
> Park/Leander city limits line for a first Williamson Co.
> breeding record.............. I managed to locate the nest
> site by seeing one of the birds chasing grackles from the
> suspected area on three occasions. The nest site is almost
> 3 blocks away from where I hear/see the bird either early in
> the mornings or late afternoons almost daily. I don't
> provide nest locations and hope they get established. At
> least one bird was present in the general area for a short
> time last year. I have also previously made recordings
> posted to ebird and Inaturalist.
>
> --
>
> Brush Freeman
> Utley
> & Cedar Park, Texas
>
>
>
>
>

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<http://www.biospatialsevices.com>
Utley & Cedar Park, Texas

 

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Date: 5/27/19 10:23 am
From: Brush Freeman <brushfreeman...>
Subject: [texbirds] First Williamson Co. Couch's Kingbird breeding record
This morning I finally confirmed that Couch's Kingbirds are nesting at a
site barely in Cedar Park on the Cedar Park/Leander city limits line for a
first Williamson Co. breeding record.............. I managed to locate the
nest site by seeing one of the birds chasing grackles from the suspected
area on three occasions. The nest site is almost 3 blocks away from where I
hear/see the bird either early in the mornings or late afternoons almost
daily. I don't provide nest locations and hope they get established. At
least one bird was present in the general area for a short time last year.
I have also previously made recordings posted to ebird and Inaturalist.

--

Brush Freeman
<http://www.biospatialsevices.com>
Utley & Cedar Park, Texas

 

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Date: 5/27/19 6:08 am
From: Susan Schaezler <susan...>
Subject: [texbirds] 5-27-19 Nightjar Hike Tonight @ Warbler Woods Bird Sanctuary
5-27-19 Nightjar Hike Tonight @ Warbler Woods Bird Sanctuary

We just decided to do a nightjar hike tonight, if you want to join us
750 pm arrival or earlier to bird the Scout Pond Dam first on your own
Bring bugspray, chair, flashlight
Short walk to get the nightjars

Email me to join us and state Nightjar Hike
Briefly introduce yourself, i.e. I want to join the walk tonight and I’m a birder
I will send you the gate code to get in

Will probably see/hear Chuck-will’s-widow, Common Pauraque, Common Nighthawk, possible Lesser Nighthawk, hear Owls

Very little walking to get them

Susan Schaezler
WarblerWoods.org, http://ebird.org/ebird/hotspot/L213585?yr=cur
501(c)(3) Cibolo/Schertz/Guadalupe County
Lone Star Land Steward Winner 2011. GCBO Site Partner
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Date: 5/26/19 7:12 am
From: Susan Schaezler <susan...>
Subject: [texbirds] 5-25-19 Three warbler sp @ Warbler Woods Bird Sanctuary
5-25-19 Three warbler sp @ Warbler Woods Bird Sanctuary

Yesterday, we had Yellow Warbler, Nashville Warbler, 2 Black-throated-green Warbler. We didn’t see the nesting warblers going to water. Lots of immature local birds coming to water.

Susan Schaezler
WarblerWoods.org, http://ebird.org/ebird/hotspot/L213585?yr=cur
501(c)(3) Cibolo/Schertz/Guadalupe County
Lone Star Land Steward Winner 2011. GCBO Site Partner
Life member TOS, SAAS, TAS
 

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Date: 5/25/19 8:39 pm
From: Chuck Carlson <carchuck...>
Subject: [texbirds] Re: Ebird
If you open the Compass app on iPhone, press and hold on the coordinates briefly and the word “copy” appears. Tapping “copy” copies those coordinates so you can then paste them into the entry in eBird. Clunky? Yes. But it works.

Chuck Carlson
Dallas

On May 25, 2019, at 3:34 PM, James Hailey <irasciblej...> wrote:

Is there a way to enter a specific spot where a bird was located on a field trip

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Date: 5/25/19 6:12 pm
From: Chuck Davis <chuck...>
Subject: [texbirds] Re: Ebird
The predecessor to eBird Mobile, Bird Log, had this feature. When you
tapped on a species name in your checklist there was a button, called Set
Location if I recall correctly, that entered your current Latitude and
Longitude in the Details (Notes) field. I've sent feedback a couple of
times requesting that this feature be included in the Cornell version but
to no avail.

Chuck Davis
La Porte, TX

On Sat, May 25, 2019 at 6:59 PM Justin Bosler <justin.bosler...>
wrote:

> Jim,
>
> Only if you create a new checklist location right where you are standing
> and observing the bird. Otherwise, you could include coordinates in the
> species' details field in the checklist.
>
> Bird on!
> Justin Bosler
> currently in the air over Colorado
>
> On Sat, May 25, 2019 at 3:35 PM James Hailey <irasciblej...> wrote:
>
>> Is there a way to enter a specific spot where a bird was located on a
>> field trip
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone Jim HaileyEdit your Freelists account settings for
>> TEXBIRDS at
>> http://www.freelists.org/list/texbirds
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Date: 5/25/19 4:57 pm
From: Justin Bosler <justin.bosler...>
Subject: [texbirds] Re: Ebird
Jim,

Only if you create a new checklist location right where you are standing
and observing the bird. Otherwise, you could include coordinates in the
species' details field in the checklist.

Bird on!
Justin Bosler
currently in the air over Colorado

On Sat, May 25, 2019 at 3:35 PM James Hailey <irasciblej...> wrote:

> Is there a way to enter a specific spot where a bird was located on a
> field trip
>
> Sent from my iPhone Jim HaileyEdit your Freelists account settings for
> TEXBIRDS at
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>
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Date: 5/25/19 1:51 pm
From: Joseph Kennedy <josephkennedy36...>
Subject: [texbirds] Banded oystercatchers, bolivar flats Thursday
This W4W was a single bird about half way down to the bollards. Eating at
dead fish.
[image: american_oystercatcher_BRD3953.JPG]

--
Joseph C. Kennedy
on Buffalo Bayou in West Houston
<Josephkennedy36...>

 

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Date: 5/25/19 1:35 pm
From: James Hailey <irasciblej...>
Subject: [texbirds] Ebird
Is there a way to enter a specific spot where a bird was located on a field trip

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Date: 5/25/19 12:01 pm
From: Joseph Kennedy <josephkennedy36...>
Subject: [texbirds] East Beach to Galveston for Oystercatcher Thursday
It was a windy and high tide day Thursday all along the coast following
what were days of even higher tides. A good bit of sargassum had come in
several tides ago as evidenced by several lines but almost no fresh debris
or dead fish to feed the birds.

The hail storm of a week earlier and the continuing tides had done a number
on the nesting oystercatchers as many were out scavenging on the beach. I
had 5 on east beach on Galveston and 24 on Bolivar flats. None were around
rollover but I did not check the docks where they can sit. A fair number
were banded and several were still paired.

There was not a whole lot of shoreline for shorebirds to use and the jetty
was entirely underwater. Only say 25 royal terns and brown pelicans out
there on one little wet spot.

A single snowy plover was out in the parking lot at east beach

https://pbase.com/joseph_kennedy_36/image/169241888

https://pbase.com/joseph_kennedy_36/image/169241887

Wilson's plovers were back in the cover and some appeared to have young
based on the chatter.

the commonest tern was caspian tern and I had 8 least terns and 15 black
terns stopped for a minute but left.Only 1 common tern but a fair number of
lingering sanderlings and turnstones.

https://pbase.com/joseph_kennedy_36/image/169241882

https://pbase.com/joseph_kennedy_36/image/169241883

I had hoped that the wind would have brought in some offshore birds and
grounded them as can happen but found no one with lots of beach driving.
The onshore winds did bring in 15 magnificent frigatebirds for the most I
have had from the ferry in several years. All appeared to be heading for
west bay including this very itchy bird.

https://pbase.com/joseph_kennedy_36/image/169241884

There were two males including this one that came in very close to steal
minnows from gulls following the ferry

https://pbase.com/joseph_kennedy_36/image/169241886

Frenchtown Road still had water flowing over it from the marsh and other
areas were full. Fort Travis had a long-billed curlew and some ruddy
turnstones.

The american oystercatchers were the commonest birds on bolivar flats as
there were very few shorebirds other than sanderlings and turnstones. Did
get one species here and another there. Two red knots were in the old
sargassum.

https://pbase.com/joseph_kennedy_36/image/169241899

There are several banded wilson's plovers in an area that overwashed last
time but only partly had water in this event.

https://pbase.com/joseph_kennedy_36/image/169241903

https://pbase.com/joseph_kennedy_36/image/169241901

They can be difficult to find even when in the open

https://pbase.com/joseph_kennedy_36/image/169241904

A pair of oystercatchers was bathing the pool just at the entrance to the
beach

https://pbase.com/joseph_kennedy_36/image/169241925

Then run over to the sand

https://pbase.com/joseph_kennedy_36/image/169241928

Fluff a lot

https://pbase.com/joseph_kennedy_36/image/169241929

And preen together

https://pbase.com/joseph_kennedy_36/image/169241930

Unending good looks at the birds

https://pbase.com/joseph_kennedy_36/image/169241934

The bumpy legs can be a problem if they tangle in fish line

https://pbase.com/joseph_kennedy_36/image/169241933

They were mainly scavenging but the are able to grab live minnows from the
surf

https://pbase.com/joseph_kennedy_36/image/169241935

https://pbase.com/joseph_kennedy_36/image/169241936

Which the bathing pair was doing later in the morning

https://pbase.com/joseph_kennedy_36/image/169241946

Last year's youngsters were unpaired but were single or in groups with
older birds

https://pbase.com/joseph_kennedy_36/image/169241943

Had 3 ring-billed gulls and a single herring gull. All had good plumage and
were older birds. No scroungy gulls about

https://pbase.com/joseph_kennedy_36/image/169241894

The royal terns are already molting their black head feathers

https://pbase.com/joseph_kennedy_36/image/169241896

https://pbase.com/joseph_kennedy_36/image/169241895

More bathing birds were further up the peninsula including a group of
american avocets with lots of fluffing and wing waving

https://pbase.com/joseph_kennedy_36/image/169241893

https://pbase.com/joseph_kennedy_36/image/169241892

The rookery at shoveler pond at anahuac was going great guns but other
birds were lying low out of the wind.

Did have a tree swallow go by down toward frozen point and the visitors
center had a displaying bronzed cowbird. A very light phase swainson's
hawks went over the entrance road as I was leaving.

Again, did not find shorebirds or even feeding ibis etc despite great
conditions in the flooded, drying and not yet flooded rice fields. Ibis
from the rookery seemed to be going northwest to feed.

Lots more oystercatcher pictures and other birds from Thursday and earlier
this month at

https://pbase.com/joseph_kennedy_36/inbox

Right and left arrows migrate you through the directory and older pictures
in older pictures and eventually filed by species.

--
Joseph C. Kennedy
on Buffalo Bayou in West Houston
<Josephkennedy36...>

 

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Date: 5/24/19 7:05 pm
From: Susan Schaezler <susan...>
Subject: [texbirds] 5-24-19 Pauraque, Chuck, Nighthawk @ Warbler Woods Bird Sanctuary
5-24-19 Pauraque, Chuck, Nighthawk @ Warbler Woods Bird Sanctuary

Chuck-will’s-widow, Common Pauraque, Common Nighthawk, Chimney Swifts & Great Horned Owl calling tonight! It is a good time to get lots of calls out there! Don went out at 835 & just came in at 9. This is from the driveway to the corner of the field.

Susan Schaezler
WarblerWoods.org, http://ebird.org/ebird/hotspot/L213585?yr=cur
501(c)(3) Cibolo/Schertz/Guadalupe County
Lone Star Land Steward Winner 2011. GCBO Site Partner
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Date: 5/24/19 2:34 pm
From: Collins, Fred (Commissioner Pct. 3) <Fred.Collins...>
Subject: [texbirds] Houston Exotics
We are again preparing for our annual senior birding bus trip in search of exotic birds in the Houston Area. If anyone has observed Northern Red Bishop or Orange-cheeked Waxbill or other uncommon exotic we would appreciate a heads up. There does not appear to be any eBird reports since late April except for one May 8 report of NRBI from El Franco Lee Park. Any details about that or other recent sightings would be appreciated.

Fred Collins
Director, Kleb Woods Nature Preserve
20303 Draper Road
Tomball, Texas 77377

Commissioner Steve Radack
Precinct 3, Harris County
www.pct3.com<http://www.pct3.com>


 

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Date: 5/24/19 1:25 pm
From: David Sarkozi <david...>
Subject: [texbirds] Pomarine Jaeger, East Beach Galveston, TX
Chuck Davis just contacted me, he had a Pomarime Jaeger a the base of the
jetty at East Beach, Galveston, TX.

--
David Sarkozi
Houston, TX
(713) 412-4409 twitter ID dsarkozi

 

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Date: 5/24/19 1:24 pm
From: Collins, Fred (Commissioner Pct. 3) <Fred.Collins...>
Subject: [texbirds] Re: Bins or Lens and why the divide?
Nice post Clay.

Fred

From: <texbirds-bounce...> <texbirds-bounce...> On Behalf Of Clay Taylor
Sent: Friday, May 24, 2019 11:55 AM
To: <tadcipiter...>; <texbirds...>
Subject: [texbirds] Re: Bins or Lens and why the divide?

Hi all –

Excellent points by Tad, Lea, David and Keith.

In point of fact, the exploding “birding community” in China mostly uses cameras to view their birds, not binoculars. The same is true for many South American countries (Argentina, Brazil) as well as other birder hotspot countries like Malaysia and the Philippines. If their peers are not carrying $2000 binoculars, why should they?

In the TexBirds thread about the Slate-throated Redstart nesting, I was interested to read that “field notes” were being taken about the nesting observations. I daresay that in today’s birding world, field notes are not only a lost art, in the eyes of a Records Committee they inevitably come up short vs. a photograph when it comes to acceptance / confirming a species sighting or behavior. Yes, the traditionalists will grumble about the importance of keeping notes, sketches and records, but in reality the “New Field Notebook” is eBird or iNaturalist, and the “modern Sketchbook” is an iPhone, SuperZoom camera, or DSLR camera. Honestly, I think it is for the best – there are reams of data that show how unreliable “eyewitness accounts” can be. At the same time, a single, badly focused and poorly exposed photograph of a bird can be useless for identification purposes. There is no ONE right way to do it.

Yes, we “birders” are carrying more camera gear every year, and at the same time the “bird photographers” are continually finding out about and “invading” “our” birding spots. This trend will definitely continue.

There are core differences between the actions and expectations of birders and bird photographers, and often times those differences cause friction:

- Noisy groups of birders chatting as they come through the forest will always drive birds away and make photographers grumble.

- Said same noisy birders wearing a rainbow array of clothing (and standing out like a sore thumb in whatever natural environment they happen to be visiting) also tend to keep birds at a distance – more grumbling from the photographers.

- Photographers continually inching closer to a feeding / resting / nesting bird in order to get a better photo, while the birders watch from a distance through spotting scopes and grumble

- Photographers setting up their equipment right in the line of sight of the feeder / drip / nest so as to block the birders’ view

- Photographers with Better Beamer-type Fresnel lens-equipped electronic flashes definitely DO bother birds, especially when they are coming to drips or feeders.

- Photographers wearing head-to-toe camouflage clothing in order to allow the birds to approach closer (or make the approach themselves), thus offending the birder’s kakhi-ettiquette. Yes, we birders ARE “hunters”, we just do not kill things on purpose.

BTW - If you have never birded your backyard / local patch while wearing full camo, I suggest that you try it once. You will be surprised at how much closer the birds will approach you, and how much longer they will stay near you, allowing for longer periods of observation. It really works!



Tours:
On an organized tour, once the birders see their target species, they are ready to move on to the next species / spot, while the photographers want to stay put and get better photos – neither group is happy with the other’s actions.

Tour companies like Tropical Birding and Lindblad Expeditions have created tours expressly for photographers, and take pains to vet photographers away from bird-listing trips. A bird-lister that signs up for a photo tour should know better, and if not, they find out quickly.

The solution? It’s not that easy, but we can all do things to help:

- Birders, nicely inform rogue photographers about field etiquette, and if they ignore or defy the wishes of the birding group(s), report them to the owners of the property. If they are REALLY unrepentant, post their photos on the appropriate FaceBook / social media pages and shame the heck out of them.

- Photographers, nicely request that noisy birders please keep walking around and talking to a minimum, as “the birds will come closer if we all stand still and stay quiet”, or “we might not see the bird again today, and if so, I would hate to think that it stayed away because of all the talking”.

- For drips, feeders, and stakeout spots, establish a minimum approach boundary, or designate a “tripods / photographer’s area” that is fair to the birds as well as the observers. Houston Audubon does a good job of this at their High Island spots.

- Establish “photographer-only” spots (blinds, etc.) that will be chatty-birder-free zones. Birders that defy these spots can be similarly ostracized as in Point 1.

Hopefully, we can all get great looks and photos of our birds together,


Clay Taylor
401-965-9064
TOS Life Member
Swarovski Optik N.A.
(Calallen) Corpus Christi, TX



From: <texbirds-bounce...><mailto:<texbirds-bounce...> [mailto:<texbirds-bounce...>] On Behalf Of Tad Finnell
Sent: Friday, May 24, 2019 2:07 AM
To: <texbirds...><mailto:<texbirds...>
Subject: [texbirds] Re: Bins or Lens and why the divide?

On 5/23/2019 2:55 PM, David Sarkozi wrote:
I think the point Tad was making is there is a difference between birding with a camera and being purely a bird photographer. There are many now who are not using the camera to look and birds, but to photograph the birds. Good photography is often a solitary endeavor and my guess many photographers just don't have peers to learn acceptable behavior from. Most of us learned how to behave in the field from peers on field trips or at popular public birding locals.

I have many bird photography (and insect and wildflower) books that do suggest things like pruning to get a shot. An emphasis is made on getting close. If you don't go birding with or without a camera, and only go to take pictures you might not learn the norms. I don't think a single one mentions not to do that at a public sanctuary.

I forget the term for it but looking through a viewfinder you can forget about a lot of your surroundings, This has caused the death of many a photojournalist in times of conflict. Forgetting where you are looking at a bird through the view finder could easily lead to finding yourself unintentionally where shouldn't be.

We have a weekly photo contest at Anahauc NWR, Lots of birds win in that contest and its not uncommon for the photographer not to know (or care) what species they have photographed. Nature photography is its own pass time now and many do not care to learn much about the birds, its about the skill and technique to photograph for them. I dare say if you are a member of this or any birding forum what I describe likely does not apply to you.

The bigger question is "how do we stay one community?" We have different ways to appreciate the natural world, but we both want to preserve and even expand it. How do we share the same places? How do we work out the conflict when three photographers are camped in front of the drip a small sanctuary, and their teleflash or loud shutters make the bird jump every time we try to get a look over their shoulder?

On Wed, May 22, 2019 at 3:07 PM Lea Simmons <lsimmons1575...><mailto:<lsimmons1575...>> wrote:
Good afternoon
I like most texbirders enjoy the post here but thought I would take the opportunity to bring up something that needs to be addressed. I would like to express my thoughts on a portion of the post made by Tad as not to cause trouble but to help raise awareness.

I love and admire all birds. I am also one of those people who have a camera and while I did not begin my interest in birds with binoculars I do own a few pairs.
The disturbing trend that you are troubled by is what has become the "norm" as camera technology has evolved, many are easily affordable and... why not use one?

It seems many of the "birders" all over the world (you know who you are ) look down upon those of us that use cameras.
I would like to clarify that not all of those with cameras are ignorant about the birds they are photographing. I for one study greatly each and every bird I photograph. It is an ongoing learning experience that has become a passion, not just for myself but for many of us that use cameras and there are hundreds of thousands of us out there sharing photos and knowledge.
I have a friend who has been an ornithologist for 40 plus yrs and he also uses a camera.

With no disrespect and this certainly does not apply to everyone, what seems invasive is looking at the bird while standing there for lengthy amounts of time documenting field notes and talking amongst each other as most "birders" do and often times, quite loudly. I have seen many times the use of idle chit chat which seems disrespectful to the birds environment not to mention to others attempting to enjoy the moment as well!

People that bring in cameras "typically" get their shot and move on using their photos to learn the behavior of the birds at their leisure as we now have the internet to identify and learn from or use our photos to teach others or perhaps share the experience with those that cannot get out to see the birds themselves.

My four year old grandson can already identify many species because his Mimi is teaching him and I'm certain he will teach others along the way which btw is a good thing, as many people aren't as fortunate or simply have no idea of the different species in existence or their needs.

It has been said a picture speaks a thousand words. If ever the world can be educated about birds and their future existence, the first step in teaching is showing. It all starts with a photo.

While I do agree there are some unethical people who use their cameras for whatever reason to take bird or wildlife photos and just do not care, in our experience they are few and far between.
I have seen many hikers and/or children and their parents just as disrespectful along nature trails.
My husband and I have encountered many birders on our adventures and some are kind friendly people however there are those that are judge-mental, it's in their faces before we pass each other by, assuming because we have cameras we are not educated, do not have the birds best interest at heart or simply not a real birder. This could not be further from the truth, to these people we smile and say hello anyway!

The majority out there are truly caring and some may just be learning. Some are photographers but little by little they become addicted and pretty soon they become birders.
Most people who are well-versed on a subject will agree the key here is education and its up to those that care to make others aware.
Not every person with a camera is after "The shot" for bragging rights. Yes, it is nice to share photos and be proud and add to our list just like it would be for "bins birders" to talk about their sightings and sometimes the during the entire time they are in an unrelated location amongst many others while disrupting both the birds and also, the moment in time with the birds which we all try to capture, be it in our minds, in our journals or in a photo.
Seems logical a true birder whether "lens" or "bins" would be thrilled to share their passion along life's journey, as knowledge is power. There's room for all of us, most are out for the same reason, we are fascinated by birds. Maybe it's time for bins birders to accept and embrace lens birders, perhaps be a mentor if you truly care and if you witness unethical behavior do what I do, speak kindly as to be informative, most people are excited to learn, let it start with you.

(The above is not meant to be directed toward the original topic or to any specific situation or person. Please take no offense, just something that bothers many of us as birds do not belong to any one group they are free to be admired by all)

On Wed, May 22, 2019 at 7:18 AM Tad Finnell <tadcipiter...><mailto:<tadcipiter...>> wrote:
Meant to send this to the list and accidentally sent it directly to Keith so I'm posting again.

Keith's comment underscores the concern I have had since the inception of this thread.
Most of the comment has been directed at birder etiquette and potential for disturbance
due to the numbers of people on the trail, but my initial concern is probably going to get
me in trouble. Over the years I have spent a lot of time at Lafitte's Cove and Quintana
during migration. I have seen a lot of people come through those areas over the years,
and what seems to me to be a disturbing trend is that more and more people are coming
into those areas with just a camera over their shoulders. They want to get photos of the
birds they see. While there is nothing at all wrong with this, it's still a disturbing trend
to my way of thinking. These people aren't 'birders', they are photographers. In the majority
in instances, they have no idea what the bird is they have just photographed, and on
occasion, overstep the bounds of 'birding etiquette' and common courtesy.
My fear is that with the information some photographers glean from this thread, about
how this is the first nesting attempt, how easy it is to locate the nest, and how beneficial
(not to mention 'bragging rights') photos or videos of young being fed would be, this thread
creates (created) the potential for more unethical behavior than would have been
expected. By photographers. I hope we don't hear stories of a twig at the nest that was
blocking the perfect shot being broken off, or someone shooting shot after shot with a mega
flash, or attempting to scoot along on their belly trying to get closer.
I think in the future it would be more in the interest of the bird to maybe supply a little
less of the information gathered. I hope that pair makes it.

Tad Finnell
Lake Jackson
On 5/21/2019 3:45 PM, Keith Arnold wrote:
An interesting thread: as a Texas ornithologist for over 50 years, I certainly want to see a successful nesting by these birds, and yes, it is the first KNOWN attempt for Texas, successful or not. I wouldn’t want anyone to disturb the nest (the nest actually been seen or only an adult carrying nest materials?), but I would hope that images could be made of an adult feeding a fledgling, assuming a successful attempt.
Let’s also keep in mind that animals other than humans might disrupt the nesting. Hopefully, this the start of a breeding population in Tejas!

Keith Arnold

Sent from my iPhone

On May 21, 2019, at 2:22 PM, David Sarkozi <david...><mailto:<david...>> wrote:
Brush, "the end of the rock wall" is not where the nest is, but the point where you will see the redstarts. This is a busy site, in the time Justin and I were there close to 20 people passed by. The nesting activity is so obvious that there is little chance of it staying a secret. There have been many reports of where to find these birds, This one tidbit of info will not change how many go see these birds. I guess the only danger is there is some lurking Oologist who will try and collect eggs. Certainly anyone knowing there are two birds present would put two and two together.

Birders could all agree not to go and see these birds, but that leaves the 100 plus people passing this spot daily, just hiking, and likely triple that on the memorial day weekend. The presence of ethical birders will do much to ensure these birds don't get harassed by the unwitting passing by.

If this is a one off nesting record, is it even all that significant? If its just the first detection of a range expansion then its most likely there are other pairs in the many inaccessible parts of the Chisos. While possible its just not likely the first nesting record is right by one of the busiest trails in the mountains. Even if this nesting attempt fails if there is a real range expansion in progress it will happen, there will be other nests.

On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 11:42 AM Brush Freeman <brushfreeman...><mailto:<brushfreeman...>> wrote:
Justin et al: I am not wanting to lecture but I would really like a successful breeding record of the species go down in the books in Texas. I know the area you are talking about and would likely find the nest..." The redstarts are right at the end of the wall " . You guys honed in on the location pretty good. I have been present or involved in a number of first state/regional breeding records, 4-5 of them in the Trans Pecos and I know how exciting it can be, and yes all but one of those was on private or restricted property. While I don't agree with Clay's take on this in part, that is is take and he is welcome to it.
I guess one point I would make, until your post I for one and I would assume most other birders were completely unaware that there was even a female there, much less a pair trying to breed and it seemed per the posts that, that information was being kept under wraps for the bird's well being. Cat is out of the bag now, so just spilt milk. Oh well.

On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 9:04 AM justin.bosler <justin.bosler...><mailto:<justin.bosler...>> wrote:
Hello Jim and Brush,

Who posted the exact location of the nest? I certainly didn't. That would mean providing coordinates and detailed description of where on the slope it is.

Perhaps I missed something.

I am merely informing that there is a nest in progress in the general area where the male has been for a month and the pair within the last week.

Take a hike, in Big Bend!

Justin Bosler
Austin, Texas



Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

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From: Brush Freeman <brushfreeman...><mailto:<brushfreeman...>>
Date: 5/20/19 7:23 AM (GMT-06:00)
To: <jweber...><mailto:<jweber...>
Cc: <texbirds...><mailto:<texbirds...>
Subject: [texbirds] Re: Nesting pair of Slate-throated Redstarts - Please Do Not Disturb

I was pretty disappointed to have read this as well especially from experienced borders but can assume excitement just prevailed. Hopefully the birds will succeed regardless.

On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 6:33 AM Jim Weber <jweber...><mailto:<jweber...>> wrote:
While we realize this is big news we had hoped people wouldn’t post the exact nest location. We all want this pair to be successful. Wouldn’t it be wonderful to have this species establish a population in the high Chisos?

People hoping to see them need to stay on the trail and resist the temptation to go over and ‘just take a peek' in the nest.

Lynne and I observed the busy female working on the nest with the singing male ’supervising’ on 5/16. David Larson of the BBNP NPS also observed the nest-building a couple hours earlier on 5/16 and took detailed field notes.

We took photos and videos which we submitted to TBRC along with the request that the info wouldn’t be posted anywhere.

Hopefully, the ten mile round trip hike (and ~1600 ft of elevation gain in the mounting heat) will offer them some protection from the masses.

Jim and Lynne Weber
Austin, TX
<jweber...><mailto:<jweber...>
http://naturewatchaustin.blogspot.com
http://www.flickr.com/photos/webersaustin/

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I didn't realize when I created this thread that it would prompt the response
I've seen, nor did I realize that so few would not read and understand what I
wrote. I clearly stated that I saw nothing wrong with merely carrying a camera
and taking photos of birds, for whatever reason one might have for doing so.
I have been watching and identifying birds for 50 years, and have seen over
720 species in the ABA area. I am familiar with a huge number of the state's
birder population, and I classify myself as a birder.
During migration I find myself at Quintana or Lafitte's Cove more often than
not. At Quintana, I'm either a host, a volunteer 'teacher', or an observer. I've
known most of the people who utilize the Sanctuary over the years, and most
know me. This year the Sanctuary saw heavy usage. The majority of those
people were strangers to me, and a huge number of those people entered
carrying only cameras.
The majority created no concern, but there were the instances of jockeying
for position, approaching too closely, and moving throughout the Sanctuary
at too brisk a pace, flushing individual birds either trying to feed or resting.
One was even spoken to about setting up tripod and lens within 5 feet of a
roosting Chuck-wills-Widow and taking flash pictures.
The overall impression was that many couldn't care less about how many
or what kind of species were utilizing the Sanctuary. Maybe one should ask
oneself the definition of 'sanctuary'.
This was my reasoning for my initial post. There are just too many cameras
out there belonging to too many people desiring the perfect shot.
So yes, David, you hit the nail on the head, and I feel the birding community
should do what it can to protect any species that might come into conflict
with a lens. And to those hopeful 'birders' out there... Learn your birds first,
learn your etiquette and what others expect when you enter their back yards,
and then maybe your photography will be as beneficial to wildlife as it will
be to you.
Tad Finnell
Lake Jackson
 

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Date: 5/24/19 12:28 pm
From: Clay Taylor <Clay.Taylor...>
Subject: [texbirds] Re: Bins or Lens and why the divide?
Thanks, Keith - I did not mean to imply that written records are not taken seriously.

I have submitted records to TBRC that were written-only and have always received confirmation of receipt and a final dispensation of the record. That is VERY appreciated.


Clay Taylor
401-965-9064
TOS Life Member
Swarovski Optik N.A.
(Calallen) Corpus Christi, TX



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From: Keith Arnold [mailto:<kbarnold2...>]
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To: Clay Taylor <Clay.Taylor...>
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Subject: Re: [texbirds] Re: Bins or Lens and why the divide?

May I make one correction to Clay’s assertion about the TBRC and field notes only submissions. There are, indeed, records in which notes are not enough: 1st state records and difficult to ID species. Actually, the committee regularly accept “notes only” records if they properly contain details to substantiate the bird in question, including comparisons to similar species. Not infrequently, however, the committee receives written reports that do not meet these two criteria.
Note to Texas borders (and others birding in Texas): 1) Become familiar with the Texas review list (it’s on the TBRC web site); 2) Don’t assume that some one else will submit a write-up on a review species that you observed; 3) Don’t be offended if the committee does not accept your record (the TBRC used “not accepted”, rather than “rejected”); Finally, learn how to take good notes and write at the time of observation!!!

Keith Arnold
Academician,
Texas Bird Records Committee

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Date: 5/24/19 11:37 am
From: Keith Arnold <kbarnold2...>
Subject: [texbirds] Re: Bins or Lens and why the divide?
P.S. If you do photograph a review species, submit every image to the TBRC; as a now deceased friend and excellent ornithologist once told me, you never know which photo/image will cinch the ID.

Keith

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> On May 24, 2019, at 11:55 AM, Clay Taylor <Clay.Taylor...> wrote:
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Date: 5/24/19 11:33 am
From: Keith Arnold <kbarnold2...>
Subject: [texbirds] Re: Bins or Lens and why the divide?
May I make one correction to Clay’s assertion about the TBRC and field notes only submissions. There are, indeed, records in which notes are not enough: 1st state records and difficult to ID species. Actually, the committee regularly accept “notes only” records if they properly contain details to substantiate the bird in question, including comparisons to similar species. Not infrequently, however, the committee receives written reports that do not meet these two criteria.
Note to Texas borders (and others birding in Texas): 1) Become familiar with the Texas review list (it’s on the TBRC web site); 2) Don’t assume that some one else will submit a write-up on a review species that you observed; 3) Don’t be offended if the committee does not accept your record (the TBRC used “not accepted”, rather than “rejected”); Finally, learn how to take good notes and write at the time of observation!!!

Keith Arnold
Academician,
Texas Bird Records Committee

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Date: 5/24/19 10:28 am
From: Brush Freeman <brushfreeman...>
Subject: [texbirds] Re: Bins or Lens and why the divide?
Even better, steer well clear of the click traps, and the birding vortexes
and find somewhere else to bird on your own....I promise you will hear more
and see more when you are alone or with just another friend or spouse.
Buy a point and shoot camera that will fit in your shirt pocket and free
yourself up or don't carry one at all.

On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 11:56 AM Clay Taylor <Clay.Taylor...>
wrote:

> Hi all –
>
>
>
> Excellent points by Tad, Lea, David and Keith.
>
>
>
> In point of fact, the exploding “birding community” in China mostly uses
> cameras to view their birds, not binoculars. The same is true for many
> South American countries (Argentina, Brazil) as well as other birder
> hotspot countries like Malaysia and the Philippines. If their peers are
> not carrying $2000 binoculars, why should they?
>
>
>
> In the TexBirds thread about the Slate-throated Redstart nesting, I was
> interested to read that “field notes” were being taken about the nesting
> observations. I daresay that in today’s birding world, field notes are
> not only a lost art, in the eyes of a Records Committee they inevitably
> come up short vs. a photograph when it comes to acceptance / confirming a
> species sighting or behavior. Yes, the traditionalists will grumble about
> the importance of keeping notes, sketches and records, but in reality the
> “New Field Notebook” is eBird or iNaturalist, and the “modern Sketchbook”
> is an iPhone, SuperZoom camera, or DSLR camera. Honestly, I think it is
> for the best – there are reams of data that show how unreliable “eyewitness
> accounts” can be. At the same time, a single, badly focused and poorly
> exposed photograph of a bird can be useless for identification purposes.
> There is no ONE right way to do it.
>
>
>
> Yes, we “birders” are carrying more camera gear every year, and at the
> same time the “bird photographers” are continually finding out about and
> “invading” “our” birding spots. This trend will definitely continue.
>
>
>
> There are core differences between the actions and expectations of birders
> and bird photographers, and often times those differences cause friction:
>
> - Noisy groups of birders chatting as they come through the
> forest will always drive birds away and make photographers grumble.
>
> - Said same noisy birders wearing a rainbow array of clothing
> (and standing out like a sore thumb in whatever natural environment they
> happen to be visiting) also tend to keep birds at a distance – more
> grumbling from the photographers.
>
> - Photographers continually inching closer to a feeding /
> resting / nesting bird in order to get a better photo, while the birders
> watch from a distance through spotting scopes and grumble
>
> - Photographers setting up their equipment right in the line of
> sight of the feeder / drip / nest so as to block the birders’ view
>
> - Photographers with Better Beamer-type Fresnel lens-equipped
> electronic flashes definitely DO bother birds, especially when they are
> coming to drips or feeders.
>
> - Photographers wearing head-to-toe camouflage clothing in order
> to allow the birds to approach closer (or make the approach themselves),
> thus offending the birder’s kakhi-ettiquette. Yes, we birders ARE
> “hunters”, we just do not kill things on purpose.
>
>
>
> BTW - If you have never birded your backyard / local patch while wearing
> full camo, I suggest that you try it once. You will be surprised at how
> much closer the birds will approach you, and how much longer they will stay
> near you, allowing for longer periods of observation. It really works!
>
>
>
>
>
> Tours:
>
> On an organized tour, once the birders see their target species, they are
> ready to move on to the next species / spot, while the photographers want
> to stay put and get better photos – neither group is happy with the other’s
> actions.
>
>
>
> Tour companies like Tropical Birding and Lindblad Expeditions have created
> tours expressly for photographers, and take pains to vet photographers away
> from bird-listing trips. A bird-lister that signs up for a photo tour
> should know better, and if not, they find out quickly.
>
>
>
> The solution? It’s not that easy, but we can all do things to help:
>
> - Birders, *nicely* inform rogue photographers about field
> etiquette, and if they ignore or defy the wishes of the birding group(s),
> report them to the owners of the property. If they are REALLY unrepentant,
> post their photos on the appropriate FaceBook / social media pages and
> shame the heck out of them.
>
> - Photographers, nicely request that noisy birders please keep
> walking around and talking to a minimum, as “the birds will come closer if
> we all stand still and stay quiet”, or “we might not see the bird again
> today, and if so, I would hate to think that it stayed away because of all
> the talking”.
>
> - For drips, feeders, and stakeout spots, establish a minimum
> approach boundary, or designate a “tripods / photographer’s area” that is
> fair to the birds as well as the observers. Houston Audubon does a good
> job of this at their High Island spots.
>
> - Establish “photographer-only” spots (blinds, etc.) that will
> be chatty-birder-free zones. Birders that defy these spots can be
> similarly ostracized as in Point 1.
>
>
>
> Hopefully, we can all get great looks and photos of our birds together,
>
>
>
>
>
> Clay Taylor
>
> 401-965-9064
>
> TOS Life Member
>
> Swarovski Optik N.A.
>
> (Calallen) Corpus Christi, TX
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* <texbirds-bounce...> [mailto:
> <texbirds-bounce...>] *On Behalf Of *Tad Finnell
> *Sent:* Friday, May 24, 2019 2:07 AM
> *To:* <texbirds...>
> *Subject:* [texbirds] Re: Bins or Lens and why the divide?
>
>
>
> On 5/23/2019 2:55 PM, David Sarkozi wrote:
>
> I think the point Tad was making is there is a difference between birding
> with a camera and being purely a bird photographer. There are many now who
> are not using the camera to look and birds, but to photograph the birds.
> Good photography is often a solitary endeavor and my guess many
> photographers just don't have peers to learn acceptable behavior from. Most
> of us learned how to behave in the field from peers on field trips or at
> popular public birding locals.
>
>
>
> I have many bird photography (and insect and wildflower) books that do
> suggest things like pruning to get a shot. An emphasis is made on getting
> close. If you don't go birding with or without a camera, and only go to
> take pictures you might not learn the norms. I don't think a single one
> mentions not to do that at a public sanctuary.
>
>
>
> I forget the term for it but looking through a viewfinder you can forget
> about a lot of your surroundings, This has caused the death of many a
> photojournalist in times of conflict. Forgetting where you are looking at a
> bird through the view finder could easily lead to finding yourself
> unintentionally where shouldn't be.
>
>
>
> We have a weekly photo contest at Anahauc NWR, Lots of birds win in that
> contest and its not uncommon for the photographer not to know (or care)
> what species they have photographed. Nature photography is its own pass
> time now and many do not care to learn much about the birds, its about the
> skill and technique to photograph for them. I dare say if you are a member
> of this or any birding forum what I describe likely does not apply to you.
>
>
>
> The bigger question is "how do we stay one community?" We have different
> ways to appreciate the natural world, but we both want to preserve and even
> expand it. How do we share the same places? How do we work out the conflict
> when three photographers are camped in front of the drip a small sanctuary,
> and their teleflash or loud shutters make the bird jump every time we try
> to get a look over their shoulder?
>
>
>
> On Wed, May 22, 2019 at 3:07 PM Lea Simmons <lsimmons1575...>
> wrote:
>
> Good afternoon
>
> I like most texbirders enjoy the post here but thought I would take the
> opportunity to bring up something that needs to be addressed. I would like
> to express my thoughts on a portion of the post made by Tad as not to cause
> trouble but to help raise awareness.
>
>
>
> I love and admire all birds. I am also one of those people who have a
> camera and while I did not begin my interest in birds with binoculars I do
> own a few pairs.
>
> The disturbing trend that you are troubled by is what has become the
> "norm" as camera technology has evolved, many are easily affordable and...
> why not use one?
>
>
>
> It seems many of the "birders" all over the world (you know who you are )
> look down upon those of us that use cameras.
>
> I would like to clarify that not all of those with cameras are ignorant
> about the birds they are photographing. I for one study greatly each and
> every bird I photograph. It is an ongoing learning experience that has
> become a passion, not just for myself but for many of us that use cameras
> and there are hundreds of thousands of us out there sharing photos and
> knowledge.
>
> I have a friend who has been an ornithologist for 40 plus yrs and he also
> uses a camera.
>
>
>
> With no disrespect and this certainly does not apply to everyone, what
> seems invasive is looking at the bird while standing there for lengthy
> amounts of time documenting field notes and talking amongst each other as
> most "birders" do and often times, quite loudly. I have seen many times the
> use of idle chit chat which seems disrespectful to the birds environment
> not to mention to others attempting to enjoy the moment as well!
>
>
>
> People that bring in cameras "typically" get their shot and move on using
> their photos to learn the behavior of the birds at their leisure as we now
> have the internet to identify and learn from or use our photos to teach
> others or perhaps share the experience with those that cannot get out to
> see the birds themselves.
>
>
>
> My four year old grandson can already identify many species because his
> Mimi is teaching him and I'm certain he will teach others along the way
> which btw is a good thing, as many people aren't as fortunate or simply
> have no idea of the different species in existence or their needs.
>
>
>
> It has been said a picture speaks a thousand words. If ever the world can
> be educated about birds and their future existence, the first step in
> teaching is showing. It all starts with a photo.
>
>
>
> While I do agree there are some unethical people who use their cameras for
> whatever reason to take bird or wildlife photos and just do not care, in
> our experience they are few and far between.
>
> I have seen many hikers and/or children and their parents just as
> disrespectful along nature trails.
>
> My husband and I have encountered many birders on our adventures and some
> are kind friendly people however there are those that are judge-mental,
> it's in their faces before we pass each other by, assuming because we have
> cameras we are not educated, do not have the birds best interest at heart
> or simply not a real birder. This could not be further from the truth, to
> these people we smile and say hello anyway!
>
>
>
> The majority out there are truly caring and some may just be learning.
> Some are photographers but little by little they become addicted and pretty
> soon they become birders.
>
> Most people who are well-versed on a subject will agree the key here is
> education and its up to those that care to make others aware.
>
> Not every person with a camera is after "The shot" for bragging rights.
> Yes, it is nice to share photos and be proud and add to our list just like
> it would be for "bins birders" to talk about their sightings and sometimes
> the during the entire time they are in an unrelated location amongst many
> others while disrupting both the birds and also, the moment in time with
> the birds which we all try to capture, be it in our minds, in our journals
> or in a photo.
>
> Seems logical a true birder whether "lens" or "bins" would be thrilled to
> share their passion along life's journey, as knowledge is power. There's
> room for all of us, most are out for the same reason, we are fascinated by
> birds. Maybe it's time for bins birders to accept and embrace lens birders,
> perhaps be a mentor if you truly care and if you witness unethical
> behavior do what I do, speak kindly as to be informative, most people are
> excited to learn, let it start with you.
>
>
>
> (The above is not meant to be directed toward the original topic or to any
> specific situation or person. Please take no offense, just something that
> bothers many of us as birds do not belong to any one group they are free to
> be admired by all)
>
>
>
> On Wed, May 22, 2019 at 7:18 AM Tad Finnell <tadcipiter...> wrote:
>
> Meant to send this to the list and accidentally sent it directly to Keith
> so I'm posting again.
>
> Keith's comment underscores the concern I have had since the inception of
> this thread.
> Most of the comment has been directed at birder etiquette and potential
> for disturbance
> due to the numbers of people on the trail, but my initial concern is
> probably going to get
> me in trouble. Over the years I have spent a lot of time at Lafitte's Cove
> and Quintana
> during migration. I have seen a lot of people come through those areas
> over the years,
> and what seems to me to be a disturbing trend is that more and more people
> are coming
> into those areas with just a camera over their shoulders. They want to get
> photos of the
> birds they see. While there is nothing at all wrong with this, it's still
> a disturbing trend
> to my way of thinking. These people aren't 'birders', they are
> photographers. In the majority
> in instances, they have no idea what the bird is they have just
> photographed, and on
> occasion, overstep the bounds of 'birding etiquette' and common courtesy.
> My fear is that with the information some photographers glean from this
> thread, about
> how this is the first nesting attempt, how easy it is to locate the nest,
> and how beneficial
> (not to mention 'bragging rights') photos or videos of young being fed
> would be, this thread
> creates (created) the potential for more unethical behavior than would
> have been
> expected. By photographers. I hope we don't hear stories of a twig at the
> nest that was
> blocking the perfect shot being broken off, or someone shooting shot after
> shot with a mega
> flash, or attempting to scoot along on their belly trying to get closer.
> I think in the future it would be more in the interest of the bird to
> maybe supply a little
> less of the information gathered. I hope that pair makes it.
>
>
> Tad Finnell
> Lake Jackson
> On 5/21/2019 3:45 PM, Keith Arnold wrote:
>
> An interesting thread: as a Texas ornithologist for over 50 years, I
> certainly want to see a successful nesting by these birds, and yes, it is
> the first KNOWN attempt for Texas, successful or not. I wouldn’t want
> anyone to disturb the nest (the nest actually been seen or only an adult
> carrying nest materials?), but I would hope that images could be made of an
> adult feeding a fledgling, assuming a successful attempt.
>
> Let’s also keep in mind that animals other than humans might disrupt the
> nesting. Hopefully, this the start of a breeding population in Tejas!
>
>
>
> Keith Arnold
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On May 21, 2019, at 2:22 PM, David Sarkozi <david...> wrote:
>
> Brush, "the end of the rock wall" is not where the nest is, but the point
> where you will see the redstarts. This is a busy site, in the time Justin
> and I were there close to 20 people passed by. The nesting activity is so
> obvious that there is little chance of it staying a secret. There have been
> many reports of where to find these birds, This one tidbit of info will not
> change how many go see these birds. I guess the only danger is there is
> some lurking Oologist who will try and collect eggs. Certainly anyone
> knowing there are two birds present would put two and two together.
>
>
>
> Birders could all agree not to go and see these birds, but that leaves the
> 100 plus people passing this spot daily, just hiking, and likely triple
> that on the memorial day weekend. The presence of ethical birders will do
> much to ensure these birds don't get harassed by the unwitting passing by.
>
>
>
> If this is a one off nesting record, is it even all that significant? If
> its just the first detection of a range expansion then its most likely
> there are other pairs in the many inaccessible parts of the Chisos. While
> possible its just not likely the first nesting record is right by one of
> the busiest trails in the mountains. Even if this nesting attempt fails if
> there is a real range expansion in progress it will happen, there will be
> other nests.
>
>
>
> On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 11:42 AM Brush Freeman <brushfreeman...>
> wrote:
>
> Justin et al: I am not wanting to lecture but I would really like a
> successful breeding record of the species go down in the books in Texas. I
> know the area you are talking about and would likely find the nest..." The
> redstarts are right at the end of the wall " . You guys honed in on the
> location pretty good. I have been present or involved in a number of first
> state/regional breeding records, 4-5 of them in the Trans Pecos and I know
> how exciting it can be, and yes all but one of those was on private or
> restricted property. While I don't agree with Clay's take on this in part,
> that is is take and he is welcome to it.
>
> I guess one point I would make, until your post I for one and I would
> assume most other birders were completely unaware that there was even a
> female there, much less a pair trying to breed and it seemed per the posts
> that, that information was being kept under wraps for the bird's well
> being. Cat is out of the bag now, so just spilt milk. Oh well.
>
>
>
> On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 9:04 AM justin.bosler <justin.bosler...>
> wrote:
>
> Hello Jim and Brush,
>
>
>
> Who posted the exact location of the nest? I certainly didn't. That would
> mean providing coordinates and detailed description of where on the slope
> it is.
>
>
>
> Perhaps I missed something.
>
>
>
> I am merely informing that there is a nest in progress in the general area
> where the male has been for a month and the pair within the last week.
>
>
>
> Take a hike, in Big Bend!
>
>
>
> Justin Bosler
>
> Austin, Texas
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
>
> From: Brush Freeman <brushfreeman...>
>
> Date: 5/20/19 7:23 AM (GMT-06:00)
>
> To: <jweber...>
>
> Cc: <texbirds...>
>
> Subject: [texbirds] Re: Nesting pair of Slate-throated Redstarts - Please
> Do Not Disturb
>
>
>
> I was pretty disappointed to have read this as well especially from
> experienced borders but can assume excitement just prevailed. Hopefully the
> birds will succeed regardless.
>
>
>
> On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 6:33 AM Jim Weber <jweber...> wrote:
>
> While we realize this is big news we had hoped people wouldn’t post the
> exact nest location. We all want this pair to be successful. Wouldn’t it
> be wonderful to have this species establish a population in the high
> Chisos?
>
>
>
> People hoping to see them need to stay on the trail and resist the
> temptation to go over and ‘just take a peek' in the nest.
>
>
>
> Lynne and I observed the busy female working on the nest with the singing
> male ’supervising’ on 5/16. David Larson of the BBNP NPS also observed the
> nest-building a couple hours earlier on 5/16 and took detailed field notes.
>
>
>
>
> We took photos and videos which we submitted to TBRC along with the
> request that the info wouldn’t be posted anywhere.
>
>
>
> Hopefully, the ten mile round trip hike (and ~1600 ft of elevation gain in
> the mounting heat) will offer them some protection from the masses.
>
>
>
> Jim and Lynne Weber
> Austin, TX
> <jweber...>
>
> http://naturewatchaustin.blogspot.com
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/webersaustin/
>
>
>
> --
>
>
>
> Brush Freeman
>
> Utley & Cedar Park, Texas
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
>
>
> Brush Freeman
>
> Utley & Cedar Park, Texas
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> David Sarkozi
> Houston, TX
> (713) 412-4409 twitter ID dsarkozi
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> David Sarkozi
> Houston, TX
> (713) 412-4409 twitter ID dsarkozi
>
> I didn't realize when I created this thread that it would prompt the
> response
> I've seen, nor did I realize that so few would not read and understand
> what I
> wrote. I clearly stated that I saw nothing wrong with merely carrying a
> camera
> and taking photos of birds, for whatever reason one might have for doing
> so.
> I have been watching and identifying birds for 50 years, and have seen
> over
> 720 species in the ABA area. I am familiar with a huge number of the
> state's
> birder population, and I classify myself as a birder.
> During migration I find myself at Quintana or Lafitte's Cove more often
> than
> not. At Quintana, I'm either a host, a volunteer 'teacher', or an
> observer. I've
> known most of the people who utilize the Sanctuary over the years, and
> most
> know me. This year the Sanctuary saw heavy usage. The majority of those
> people were strangers to me, and a huge number of those people entered
> carrying only cameras.
> The majority created no concern, but there were the instances of
> jockeying
> for position, approaching too closely, and moving throughout the Sanctuary
> at too brisk a pace, flushing individual birds either trying to feed or
> resting.
> One was even spoken to about setting up tripod and lens within 5 feet of a
> roosting Chuck-wills-Widow and taking flash pictures.
> The overall impression was that many couldn't care less about how many
> or what kind of species were utilizing the Sanctuary. Maybe one should ask
> oneself the definition of 'sanctuary'.
> This was my reasoning for my initial post. There are just too many
> cameras
> out there belonging to too many people desiring the perfect shot.
> So yes, David, you hit the nail on the head, and I feel the birding
> community
> should do what it can to protect any species that might come into conflict
> with a lens. And to those hopeful 'birders' out there... Learn your birds
> first,
> learn your etiquette and what others expect when you enter their back
> yards,
> and then maybe your photography will be as beneficial to wildlife as it
> will
> be to you.
> Tad Finnell
> Lake Jackson
>


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Brush Freeman
<http://www.biospatialsevices.com>
Utley & Cedar Park, Texas

 

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Date: 5/24/19 9:56 am
From: Clay Taylor <Clay.Taylor...>
Subject: [texbirds] Re: Bins or Lens and why the divide?
Hi all –

Excellent points by Tad, Lea, David and Keith.

In point of fact, the exploding “birding community” in China mostly uses cameras to view their birds, not binoculars. The same is true for many South American countries (Argentina, Brazil) as well as other birder hotspot countries like Malaysia and the Philippines. If their peers are not carrying $2000 binoculars, why should they?

In the TexBirds thread about the Slate-throated Redstart nesting, I was interested to read that “field notes” were being taken about the nesting observations. I daresay that in today’s birding world, field notes are not only a lost art, in the eyes of a Records Committee they inevitably come up short vs. a photograph when it comes to acceptance / confirming a species sighting or behavior. Yes, the traditionalists will grumble about the importance of keeping notes, sketches and records, but in reality the “New Field Notebook” is eBird or iNaturalist, and the “modern Sketchbook” is an iPhone, SuperZoom camera, or DSLR camera. Honestly, I think it is for the best – there are reams of data that show how unreliable “eyewitness accounts” can be. At the same time, a single, badly focused and poorly exposed photograph of a bird can be useless for identification purposes. There is no ONE right way to do it.

Yes, we “birders” are carrying more camera gear every year, and at the same time the “bird photographers” are continually finding out about and “invading” “our” birding spots. This trend will definitely continue.

There are core differences between the actions and expectations of birders and bird photographers, and often times those differences cause friction:

- Noisy groups of birders chatting as they come through the forest will always drive birds away and make photographers grumble.

- Said same noisy birders wearing a rainbow array of clothing (and standing out like a sore thumb in whatever natural environment they happen to be visiting) also tend to keep birds at a distance – more grumbling from the photographers.

- Photographers continually inching closer to a feeding / resting / nesting bird in order to get a better photo, while the birders watch from a distance through spotting scopes and grumble

- Photographers setting up their equipment right in the line of sight of the feeder / drip / nest so as to block the birders’ view

- Photographers with Better Beamer-type Fresnel lens-equipped electronic flashes definitely DO bother birds, especially when they are coming to drips or feeders.

- Photographers wearing head-to-toe camouflage clothing in order to allow the birds to approach closer (or make the approach themselves), thus offending the birder’s kakhi-ettiquette. Yes, we birders ARE “hunters”, we just do not kill things on purpose.

BTW - If you have never birded your backyard / local patch while wearing full camo, I suggest that you try it once. You will be surprised at how much closer the birds will approach you, and how much longer they will stay near you, allowing for longer periods of observation. It really works!



Tours:
On an organized tour, once the birders see their target species, they are ready to move on to the next species / spot, while the photographers want to stay put and get better photos – neither group is happy with the other’s actions.

Tour companies like Tropical Birding and Lindblad Expeditions have created tours expressly for photographers, and take pains to vet photographers away from bird-listing trips. A bird-lister that signs up for a photo tour should know better, and if not, they find out quickly.

The solution? It’s not that easy, but we can all do things to help:

- Birders, nicely inform rogue photographers about field etiquette, and if they ignore or defy the wishes of the birding group(s), report them to the owners of the property. If they are REALLY unrepentant, post their photos on the appropriate FaceBook / social media pages and shame the heck out of them.

- Photographers, nicely request that noisy birders please keep walking around and talking to a minimum, as “the birds will come closer if we all stand still and stay quiet”, or “we might not see the bird again today, and if so, I would hate to think that it stayed away because of all the talking”.

- For drips, feeders, and stakeout spots, establish a minimum approach boundary, or designate a “tripods / photographer’s area” that is fair to the birds as well as the observers. Houston Audubon does a good job of this at their High Island spots.

- Establish “photographer-only” spots (blinds, etc.) that will be chatty-birder-free zones. Birders that defy these spots can be similarly ostracized as in Point 1.

Hopefully, we can all get great looks and photos of our birds together,


Clay Taylor
401-965-9064
TOS Life Member
Swarovski Optik N.A.
(Calallen) Corpus Christi, TX



From: <texbirds-bounce...> [mailto:<texbirds-bounce...>] On Behalf Of Tad Finnell
Sent: Friday, May 24, 2019 2:07 AM
To: <texbirds...>
Subject: [texbirds] Re: Bins or Lens and why the divide?

On 5/23/2019 2:55 PM, David Sarkozi wrote:
I think the point Tad was making is there is a difference between birding with a camera and being purely a bird photographer. There are many now who are not using the camera to look and birds, but to photograph the birds. Good photography is often a solitary endeavor and my guess many photographers just don't have peers to learn acceptable behavior from. Most of us learned how to behave in the field from peers on field trips or at popular public birding locals.

I have many bird photography (and insect and wildflower) books that do suggest things like pruning to get a shot. An emphasis is made on getting close. If you don't go birding with or without a camera, and only go to take pictures you might not learn the norms. I don't think a single one mentions not to do that at a public sanctuary.

I forget the term for it but looking through a viewfinder you can forget about a lot of your surroundings, This has caused the death of many a photojournalist in times of conflict. Forgetting where you are looking at a bird through the view finder could easily lead to finding yourself unintentionally where shouldn't be.

We have a weekly photo contest at Anahauc NWR, Lots of birds win in that contest and its not uncommon for the photographer not to know (or care) what species they have photographed. Nature photography is its own pass time now and many do not care to learn much about the birds, its about the skill and technique to photograph for them. I dare say if you are a member of this or any birding forum what I describe likely does not apply to you.

The bigger question is "how do we stay one community?" We have different ways to appreciate the natural world, but we both want to preserve and even expand it. How do we share the same places? How do we work out the conflict when three photographers are camped in front of the drip a small sanctuary, and their teleflash or loud shutters make the bird jump every time we try to get a look over their shoulder?

On Wed, May 22, 2019 at 3:07 PM Lea Simmons <lsimmons1575...><mailto:<lsimmons1575...>> wrote:
Good afternoon
I like most texbirders enjoy the post here but thought I would take the opportunity to bring up something that needs to be addressed. I would like to express my thoughts on a portion of the post made by Tad as not to cause trouble but to help raise awareness.

I love and admire all birds. I am also one of those people who have a camera and while I did not begin my interest in birds with binoculars I do own a few pairs.
The disturbing trend that you are troubled by is what has become the "norm" as camera technology has evolved, many are easily affordable and... why not use one?

It seems many of the "birders" all over the world (you know who you are ) look down upon those of us that use cameras.
I would like to clarify that not all of those with cameras are ignorant about the birds they are photographing. I for one study greatly each and every bird I photograph. It is an ongoing learning experience that has become a passion, not just for myself but for many of us that use cameras and there are hundreds of thousands of us out there sharing photos and knowledge.
I have a friend who has been an ornithologist for 40 plus yrs and he also uses a camera.

With no disrespect and this certainly does not apply to everyone, what seems invasive is looking at the bird while standing there for lengthy amounts of time documenting field notes and talking amongst each other as most "birders" do and often times, quite loudly. I have seen many times the use of idle chit chat which seems disrespectful to the birds environment not to mention to others attempting to enjoy the moment as well!

People that bring in cameras "typically" get their shot and move on using their photos to learn the behavior of the birds at their leisure as we now have the internet to identify and learn from or use our photos to teach others or perhaps share the experience with those that cannot get out to see the birds themselves.

My four year old grandson can already identify many species because his Mimi is teaching him and I'm certain he will teach others along the way which btw is a good thing, as many people aren't as fortunate or simply have no idea of the different species in existence or their needs.

It has been said a picture speaks a thousand words. If ever the world can be educated about birds and their future existence, the first step in teaching is showing. It all starts with a photo.

While I do agree there are some unethical people who use their cameras for whatever reason to take bird or wildlife photos and just do not care, in our experience they are few and far between.
I have seen many hikers and/or children and their parents just as disrespectful along nature trails.
My husband and I have encountered many birders on our adventures and some are kind friendly people however there are those that are judge-mental, it's in their faces before we pass each other by, assuming because we have cameras we are not educated, do not have the birds best interest at heart or simply not a real birder. This could not be further from the truth, to these people we smile and say hello anyway!

The majority out there are truly caring and some may just be learning. Some are photographers but little by little they become addicted and pretty soon they become birders.
Most people who are well-versed on a subject will agree the key here is education and its up to those that care to make others aware.
Not every person with a camera is after "The shot" for bragging rights. Yes, it is nice to share photos and be proud and add to our list just like it would be for "bins birders" to talk about their sightings and sometimes the during the entire time they are in an unrelated location amongst many others while disrupting both the birds and also, the moment in time with the birds which we all try to capture, be it in our minds, in our journals or in a photo.
Seems logical a true birder whether "lens" or "bins" would be thrilled to share their passion along life's journey, as knowledge is power. There's room for all of us, most are out for the same reason, we are fascinated by birds. Maybe it's time for bins birders to accept and embrace lens birders, perhaps be a mentor if you truly care and if you witness unethical behavior do what I do, speak kindly as to be informative, most people are excited to learn, let it start with you.

(The above is not meant to be directed toward the original topic or to any specific situation or person. Please take no offense, just something that bothers many of us as birds do not belong to any one group they are free to be admired by all)

On Wed, May 22, 2019 at 7:18 AM Tad Finnell <tadcipiter...><mailto:<tadcipiter...>> wrote:
Meant to send this to the list and accidentally sent it directly to Keith so I'm posting again.

Keith's comment underscores the concern I have had since the inception of this thread.
Most of the comment has been directed at birder etiquette and potential for disturbance
due to the numbers of people on the trail, but my initial concern is probably going to get
me in trouble. Over the years I have spent a lot of time at Lafitte's Cove and Quintana
during migration. I have seen a lot of people come through those areas over the years,
and what seems to me to be a disturbing trend is that more and more people are coming
into those areas with just a camera over their shoulders. They want to get photos of the
birds they see. While there is nothing at all wrong with this, it's still a disturbing trend
to my way of thinking. These people aren't 'birders', they are photographers. In the majority
in instances, they have no idea what the bird is they have just photographed, and on
occasion, overstep the bounds of 'birding etiquette' and common courtesy.
My fear is that with the information some photographers glean from this thread, about
how this is the first nesting attempt, how easy it is to locate the nest, and how beneficial
(not to mention 'bragging rights') photos or videos of young being fed would be, this thread
creates (created) the potential for more unethical behavior than would have been
expected. By photographers. I hope we don't hear stories of a twig at the nest that was
blocking the perfect shot being broken off, or someone shooting shot after shot with a mega
flash, or attempting to scoot along on their belly trying to get closer.
I think in the future it would be more in the interest of the bird to maybe supply a little
less of the information gathered. I hope that pair makes it.

Tad Finnell
Lake Jackson
On 5/21/2019 3:45 PM, Keith Arnold wrote:
An interesting thread: as a Texas ornithologist for over 50 years, I certainly want to see a successful nesting by these birds, and yes, it is the first KNOWN attempt for Texas, successful or not. I wouldn’t want anyone to disturb the nest (the nest actually been seen or only an adult carrying nest materials?), but I would hope that images could be made of an adult feeding a fledgling, assuming a successful attempt.
Let’s also keep in mind that animals other than humans might disrupt the nesting. Hopefully, this the start of a breeding population in Tejas!

Keith Arnold

Sent from my iPhone

On May 21, 2019, at 2:22 PM, David Sarkozi <david...><mailto:<david...>> wrote:
Brush, "the end of the rock wall" is not where the nest is, but the point where you will see the redstarts. This is a busy site, in the time Justin and I were there close to 20 people passed by. The nesting activity is so obvious that there is little chance of it staying a secret. There have been many reports of where to find these birds, This one tidbit of info will not change how many go see these birds. I guess the only danger is there is some lurking Oologist who will try and collect eggs. Certainly anyone knowing there are two birds present would put two and two together.

Birders could all agree not to go and see these birds, but that leaves the 100 plus people passing this spot daily, just hiking, and likely triple that on the memorial day weekend. The presence of ethical birders will do much to ensure these birds don't get harassed by the unwitting passing by.

If this is a one off nesting record, is it even all that significant? If its just the first detection of a range expansion then its most likely there are other pairs in the many inaccessible parts of the Chisos. While possible its just not likely the first nesting record is right by one of the busiest trails in the mountains. Even if this nesting attempt fails if there is a real range expansion in progress it will happen, there will be other nests.

On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 11:42 AM Brush Freeman <brushfreeman...><mailto:<brushfreeman...>> wrote:
Justin et al: I am not wanting to lecture but I would really like a successful breeding record of the species go down in the books in Texas. I know the area you are talking about and would likely find the nest..." The redstarts are right at the end of the wall " . You guys honed in on the location pretty good. I have been present or involved in a number of first state/regional breeding records, 4-5 of them in the Trans Pecos and I know how exciting it can be, and yes all but one of those was on private or restricted property. While I don't agree with Clay's take on this in part, that is is take and he is welcome to it.
I guess one point I would make, until your post I for one and I would assume most other birders were completely unaware that there was even a female there, much less a pair trying to breed and it seemed per the posts that, that information was being kept under wraps for the bird's well being. Cat is out of the bag now, so just spilt milk. Oh well.

On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 9:04 AM justin.bosler <justin.bosler...><mailto:<justin.bosler...>> wrote:
Hello Jim and Brush,

Who posted the exact location of the nest? I certainly didn't. That would mean providing coordinates and detailed description of where on the slope it is.

Perhaps I missed something.

I am merely informing that there is a nest in progress in the general area where the male has been for a month and the pair within the last week.

Take a hike, in Big Bend!

Justin Bosler
Austin, Texas



Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

-------- Original message --------
From: Brush Freeman <brushfreeman...><mailto:<brushfreeman...>>
Date: 5/20/19 7:23 AM (GMT-06:00)
To: <jweber...><mailto:<jweber...>
Cc: <texbirds...><mailto:<texbirds...>
Subject: [texbirds] Re: Nesting pair of Slate-throated Redstarts - Please Do Not Disturb

I was pretty disappointed to have read this as well especially from experienced borders but can assume excitement just prevailed. Hopefully the birds will succeed regardless.

On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 6:33 AM Jim Weber <jweber...><mailto:<jweber...>> wrote:
While we realize this is big news we had hoped people wouldn’t post the exact nest location. We all want this pair to be successful. Wouldn’t it be wonderful to have this species establish a population in the high Chisos?

People hoping to see them need to stay on the trail and resist the temptation to go over and ‘just take a peek' in the nest.

Lynne and I observed the busy female working on the nest with the singing male ’supervising’ on 5/16. David Larson of the BBNP NPS also observed the nest-building a couple hours earlier on 5/16 and took detailed field notes.


We took photos and videos which we submitted to TBRC along with the request that the info wouldn’t be posted anywhere.

Hopefully, the ten mile round trip hike (and ~1600 ft of elevation gain in the mounting heat) will offer them some protection from the masses.

Jim and Lynne Weber
Austin, TX
<jweber...><mailto:<jweber...>
http://naturewatchaustin.blogspot.com
http://www.flickr.com/photos/webersaustin/

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Brush Freeman
Utley & Cedar Park, Texas




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Brush Freeman
Utley & Cedar Park, Texas




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David Sarkozi
Houston, TX
(713) 412-4409 twitter ID dsarkozi



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David Sarkozi
Houston, TX
(713) 412-4409 twitter ID dsarkozi
I didn't realize when I created this thread that it would prompt the response
I've seen, nor did I realize that so few would not read and understand what I
wrote. I clearly stated that I saw nothing wrong with merely carrying a camera
and taking photos of birds, for whatever reason one might have for doing so.
I have been watching and identifying birds for 50 years, and have seen over
720 species in the ABA area. I am familiar with a huge number of the state's
birder population, and I classify myself as a birder.
During migration I find myself at Quintana or Lafitte's Cove more often than
not. At Quintana, I'm either a host, a volunteer 'teacher', or an observer. I've
known most of the people who utilize the Sanctuary over the years, and most
know me. This year the Sanctuary saw heavy usage. The majority of those
people were strangers to me, and a huge number of those people entered
carrying only cameras.
The majority created no concern, but there were the instances of jockeying
for position, approaching too closely, and moving throughout the Sanctuary
at too brisk a pace, flushing individual birds either trying to feed or resting.
One was even spoken to about setting up tripod and lens within 5 feet of a
roosting Chuck-wills-Widow and taking flash pictures.
The overall impression was that many couldn't care less about how many
or what kind of species were utilizing the Sanctuary. Maybe one should ask
oneself the definition of 'sanctuary'.
This was my reasoning for my initial post. There are just too many cameras
out there belonging to too many people desiring the perfect shot.
So yes, David, you hit the nail on the head, and I feel the birding community
should do what it can to protect any species that might come into conflict
with a lens. And to those hopeful 'birders' out there... Learn your birds first,
learn your etiquette and what others expect when you enter their back yards,
and then maybe your photography will be as beneficial to wildlife as it will
be to you.
Tad Finnell
Lake Jackson
 

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Date: 5/24/19 8:18 am
From: Timothy Brush <timothy.brush...>
Subject: [texbirds] Re: Bins or Lens and why the divide?
Sounds like one of the take-home points is to be aware of how the birds are reacting. A quick “snap and go” photo or birders observing quietly, both from a safe distance, are usually okay. My only advice is to see how the birds are reacting—are they flushing or acting nervous, or just going about their normal business. A little harder to discern is whether a predator could follow a scent trail (important especially for ground nests). The main idea here is stay on the trail and do not create a side-trail that a mammalian predator could follow.

Regards,
Tim Brush
Edinburg, TX

From: <texbirds-bounce...> <texbirds-bounce...> On Behalf Of Tad Finnell
Sent: Friday, May 24, 2019 1:07 AM
To: <texbirds...>
Subject: [texbirds] Re: Bins or Lens and why the divide?

On 5/23/2019 2:55 PM, David Sarkozi wrote:
I think the point Tad was making is there is a difference between birding with a camera and being purely a bird photographer. There are many now who are not using the camera to look and birds, but to photograph the birds. Good photography is often a solitary endeavor and my guess many photographers just don't have peers to learn acceptable behavior from. Most of us learned how to behave in the field from peers on field trips or at popular public birding locals.

I have many bird photography (and insect and wildflower) books that do suggest things like pruning to get a shot. An emphasis is made on getting close. If you don't go birding with or without a camera, and only go to take pictures you might not learn the norms. I don't think a single one mentions not to do that at a public sanctuary.

I forget the term for it but looking through a viewfinder you can forget about a lot of your surroundings, This has caused the death of many a photojournalist in times of conflict. Forgetting where you are looking at a bird through the view finder could easily lead to finding yourself unintentionally where shouldn't be.

We have a weekly photo contest at Anahauc NWR, Lots of birds win in that contest and its not uncommon for the photographer not to know (or care) what species they have photographed. Nature photography is its own pass time now and many do not care to learn much about the birds, its about the skill and technique to photograph for them. I dare say if you are a member of this or any birding forum what I describe likely does not apply to you.

The bigger question is "how do we stay one community?" We have different ways to appreciate the natural world, but we both want to preserve and even expand it. How do we share the same places? How do we work out the conflict when three photographers are camped in front of the drip a small sanctuary, and their teleflash or loud shutters make the bird jump every time we try to get a look over their shoulder?

On Wed, May 22, 2019 at 3:07 PM Lea Simmons <lsimmons1575...><mailto:<lsimmons1575...>> wrote:
Good afternoon
I like most texbirders enjoy the post here but thought I would take the opportunity to bring up something that needs to be addressed. I would like to express my thoughts on a portion of the post made by Tad as not to cause trouble but to help raise awareness.

I love and admire all birds. I am also one of those people who have a camera and while I did not begin my interest in birds with binoculars I do own a few pairs.
The disturbing trend that you are troubled by is what has become the "norm" as camera technology has evolved, many are easily affordable and... why not use one?

It seems many of the "birders" all over the world (you know who you are ) look down upon those of us that use cameras.
I would like to clarify that not all of those with cameras are ignorant about the birds they are photographing. I for one study greatly each and every bird I photograph. It is an ongoing learning experience that has become a passion, not just for myself but for many of us that use cameras and there are hundreds of thousands of us out there sharing photos and knowledge.
I have a friend who has been an ornithologist for 40 plus yrs and he also uses a camera.

With no disrespect and this certainly does not apply to everyone, what seems invasive is looking at the bird while standing there for lengthy amounts of time documenting field notes and talking amongst each other as most "birders" do and often times, quite loudly. I have seen many times the use of idle chit chat which seems disrespectful to the birds environment not to mention to others attempting to enjoy the moment as well!

People that bring in cameras "typically" get their shot and move on using their photos to learn the behavior of the birds at their leisure as we now have the internet to identify and learn from or use our photos to teach others or perhaps share the experience with those that cannot get out to see the birds themselves.

My four year old grandson can already identify many species because his Mimi is teaching him and I'm certain he will teach others along the way which btw is a good thing, as many people aren't as fortunate or simply have no idea of the different species in existence or their needs.

It has been said a picture speaks a thousand words. If ever the world can be educated about birds and their future existence, the first step in teaching is showing. It all starts with a photo.

While I do agree there are some unethical people who use their cameras for whatever reason to take bird or wildlife photos and just do not care, in our experience they are few and far between.
I have seen many hikers and/or children and their parents just as disrespectful along nature trails.
My husband and I have encountered many birders on our adventures and some are kind friendly people however there are those that are judge-mental, it's in their faces before we pass each other by, assuming because we have cameras we are not educated, do not have the birds best interest at heart or simply not a real birder. This could not be further from the truth, to these people we smile and say hello anyway!

The majority out there are truly caring and some may just be learning. Some are photographers but little by little they become addicted and pretty soon they become birders.
Most people who are well-versed on a subject will agree the key here is education and its up to those that care to make others aware.
Not every person with a camera is after "The shot" for bragging rights. Yes, it is nice to share photos and be proud and add to our list just like it would be for "bins birders" to talk about their sightings and sometimes the during the entire time they are in an unrelated location amongst many others while disrupting both the birds and also, the moment in time with the birds which we all try to capture, be it in our minds, in our journals or in a photo.
Seems logical a true birder whether "lens" or "bins" would be thrilled to share their passion along life's journey, as knowledge is power. There's room for all of us, most are out for the same reason, we are fascinated by birds. Maybe it's time for bins birders to accept and embrace lens birders, perhaps be a mentor if you truly care and if you witness unethical behavior do what I do, speak kindly as to be informative, most people are excited to learn, let it start with you.

(The above is not meant to be directed toward the original topic or to any specific situation or person. Please take no offense, just something that bothers many of us as birds do not belong to any one group they are free to be admired by all)

On Wed, May 22, 2019 at 7:18 AM Tad Finnell <tadcipiter...><mailto:<tadcipiter...>> wrote:
Meant to send this to the list and accidentally sent it directly to Keith so I'm posting again.

Keith's comment underscores the concern I have had since the inception of this thread.
Most of the comment has been directed at birder etiquette and potential for disturbance
due to the numbers of people on the trail, but my initial concern is probably going to get
me in trouble. Over the years I have spent a lot of time at Lafitte's Cove and Quintana
during migration. I have seen a lot of people come through those areas over the years,
and what seems to me to be a disturbing trend is that more and more people are coming
into those areas with just a camera over their shoulders. They want to get photos of the
birds they see. While there is nothing at all wrong with this, it's still a disturbing trend
to my way of thinking. These people aren't 'birders', they are photographers. In the majority
in instances, they have no idea what the bird is they have just photographed, and on
occasion, overstep the bounds of 'birding etiquette' and common courtesy.
My fear is that with the information some photographers glean from this thread, about
how this is the first nesting attempt, how easy it is to locate the nest, and how beneficial
(not to mention 'bragging rights') photos or videos of young being fed would be, this thread
creates (created) the potential for more unethical behavior than would have been
expected. By photographers. I hope we don't hear stories of a twig at the nest that was
blocking the perfect shot being broken off, or someone shooting shot after shot with a mega
flash, or attempting to scoot along on their belly trying to get closer.
I think in the future it would be more in the interest of the bird to maybe supply a little
less of the information gathered. I hope that pair makes it.

Tad Finnell
Lake Jackson
On 5/21/2019 3:45 PM, Keith Arnold wrote:
An interesting thread: as a Texas ornithologist for over 50 years, I certainly want to see a successful nesting by these birds, and yes, it is the first KNOWN attempt for Texas, successful or not. I wouldn’t want anyone to disturb the nest (the nest actually been seen or only an adult carrying nest materials?), but I would hope that images could be made of an adult feeding a fledgling, assuming a successful attempt.
Let’s also keep in mind that animals other than humans might disrupt the nesting. Hopefully, this the start of a breeding population in Tejas!

Keith Arnold

Sent from my iPhone

On May 21, 2019, at 2:22 PM, David Sarkozi <david...><mailto:<david...>> wrote:
Brush, "the end of the rock wall" is not where the nest is, but the point where you will see the redstarts. This is a busy site, in the time Justin and I were there close to 20 people passed by. The nesting activity is so obvious that there is little chance of it staying a secret. There have been many reports of where to find these birds, This one tidbit of info will not change how many go see these birds. I guess the only danger is there is some lurking Oologist who will try and collect eggs. Certainly anyone knowing there are two birds present would put two and two together.

Birders could all agree not to go and see these birds, but that leaves the 100 plus people passing this spot daily, just hiking, and likely triple that on the memorial day weekend. The presence of ethical birders will do much to ensure these birds don't get harassed by the unwitting passing by.

If this is a one off nesting record, is it even all that significant? If its just the first detection of a range expansion then its most likely there are other pairs in the many inaccessible parts of the Chisos. While possible its just not likely the first nesting record is right by one of the busiest trails in the mountains. Even if this nesting attempt fails if there is a real range expansion in progress it will happen, there will be other nests.

On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 11:42 AM Brush Freeman <brushfreeman...><mailto:<brushfreeman...>> wrote:
Justin et al: I am not wanting to lecture but I would really like a successful breeding record of the species go down in the books in Texas. I know the area you are talking about and would likely find the nest..." The redstarts are right at the end of the wall " . You guys honed in on the location pretty good. I have been present or involved in a number of first state/regional breeding records, 4-5 of them in the Trans Pecos and I know how exciting it can be, and yes all but one of those was on private or restricted property. While I don't agree with Clay's take on this in part, that is is take and he is welcome to it.
I guess one point I would make, until your post I for one and I would assume most other birders were completely unaware that there was even a female there, much less a pair trying to breed and it seemed per the posts that, that information was being kept under wraps for the bird's well being. Cat is out of the bag now, so just spilt milk. Oh well.

On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 9:04 AM justin.bosler <justin.bosler...><mailto:<justin.bosler...>> wrote:
Hello Jim and Brush,

Who posted the exact location of the nest? I certainly didn't. That would mean providing coordinates and detailed description of where on the slope it is.

Perhaps I missed something.

I am merely informing that there is a nest in progress in the general area where the male has been for a month and the pair within the last week.

Take a hike, in Big Bend!

Justin Bosler
Austin, Texas



Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

-------- Original message --------
From: Brush Freeman <brushfreeman...><mailto:<brushfreeman...>>
Date: 5/20/19 7:23 AM (GMT-06:00)
To: <jweber...><mailto:<jweber...>
Cc: <texbirds...><mailto:<texbirds...>
Subject: [texbirds] Re: Nesting pair of Slate-throated Redstarts - Please Do Not Disturb

I was pretty disappointed to have read this as well especially from experienced borders but can assume excitement just prevailed. Hopefully the birds will succeed regardless.

On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 6:33 AM Jim Weber <jweber...><mailto:<jweber...>> wrote:
While we realize this is big news we had hoped people wouldn’t post the exact nest location. We all want this pair to be successful. Wouldn’t it be wonderful to have this species establish a population in the high Chisos?

People hoping to see them need to stay on the trail and resist the temptation to go over and ‘just take a peek' in the nest.

Lynne and I observed the busy female working on the nest with the singing male ’supervising’ on 5/16. David Larson of the BBNP NPS also observed the nest-building a couple hours earlier on 5/16 and took detailed field notes.


We took photos and videos which we submitted to TBRC along with the request that the info wouldn’t be posted anywhere.

Hopefully, the ten mile round trip hike (and ~1600 ft of elevation gain in the mounting heat) will offer them some protection from the masses.

Jim and Lynne Weber
Austin, TX
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Utley & Cedar Park, Texas




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Utley & Cedar Park, Texas




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David Sarkozi
Houston, TX
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Houston, TX
(713) 412-4409 twitter ID dsarkozi
I didn't realize when I created this thread that it would prompt the response
I've seen, nor did I realize that so few would not read and understand what I
wrote. I clearly stated that I saw nothing wrong with merely carrying a camera
and taking photos of birds, for whatever reason one might have for doing so.
I have been watching and identifying birds for 50 years, and have seen over
720 species in the ABA area. I am familiar with a huge number of the state's
birder population, and I classify myself as a birder.
During migration I find myself at Quintana or Lafitte's Cove more often than
not. At Quintana, I'm either a host, a volunteer 'teacher', or an observer. I've
known most of the people who utilize the Sanctuary over the years, and most
know me. This year the Sanctuary saw heavy usage. The majority of those
people were strangers to me, and a huge number of those people entered
carrying only cameras.
The majority created no concern, but there were the instances of jockeying
for position, approaching too closely, and moving throughout the Sanctuary
at too brisk a pace, flushing individual birds either trying to feed or resting.
One was even spoken to about setting up tripod and lens within 5 feet of a
roosting Chuck-wills-Widow and taking flash pictures.
The overall impression was that many couldn't care less about how many
or what kind of species were utilizing the Sanctuary. Maybe one should ask
oneself the definition of 'sanctuary'.
This was my reasoning for my initial post. There are just too many cameras
out there belonging to too many people desiring the perfect shot.
So yes, David, you hit the nail on the head, and I feel the birding community
should do what it can to protect any species that might come into conflict
with a lens. And to those hopeful 'birders' out there... Learn your birds first,
learn your etiquette and what others expect when you enter their back yards,
and then maybe your photography will be as beneficial to wildlife as it will
be to you.
Tad Finnell
Lake Jackson
 

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Date: 5/23/19 11:07 pm
From: Tad Finnell <tadcipiter...>
Subject: [texbirds] Re: Bins or Lens and why the divide?
On 5/23/2019 2:55 PM, David Sarkozi wrote:
> I think the point Tad was making is there is a difference between
> birding with a camera and being purely a bird photographer. There are
> many now who are not using the camera to look and birds, but to
> photograph the birds. Good photography is often a solitary endeavor
> and my guess many photographers just don't have peers to learn
> acceptable behavior from. Most of us learned how to behave in the
> field from peers on field trips or at popular public birding locals.
>
> I have many bird photography (and insect and wildflower) books that do
> suggest things like pruning to get a shot. An emphasis is made on
> getting close. If you don't go birding with or without a camera, and
> only go to take pictures you might not learn the norms. I don't think
> a single one mentions not to do that at a public sanctuary.
>
> I forget the term for it but looking through a viewfinder you can
> forget about a lot of your surroundings, This has caused the death of
> many a photojournalist in times of conflict. Forgetting where you are
> looking at a bird through the view finder could easily lead to finding
> yourself unintentionally where shouldn't be.
>
> We have a weekly photo contest at Anahauc NWR, Lots of birds win in
> that contest and its not uncommon for the photographer not to know (or
> care) what species they have photographed. Nature photography is its
> own pass time now and many do not care to learn much about the birds,
> its about the skill and technique to photograph for them. I dare say
> if you are a member of this or any birding forum what I describe
> likely does not apply to you.
>
> The bigger question is "how do we stay one community?" We have
> different ways to appreciate the natural world, but we both want to
> preserve and even expand it. How do we share the same places? How do
> we work out the conflict when three photographers are camped in front
> of the drip a small sanctuary, and their teleflash or loud shutters
> make the bird jump every time we try to get a look over their shoulder?
>
> On Wed, May 22, 2019 at 3:07 PM Lea Simmons <lsimmons1575...>
> <mailto:<lsimmons1575...>> wrote:
>
> Good afternoon
> I like most texbirders enjoy the post here but thought I would
> take the opportunity to bring up something that needs to be
> addressed.  I would like to express my thoughts on a portion of
> the post made by Tad as not to cause trouble but to help raise
> awareness.
>
> I love and admire all birds. I am also one of those people who
> have a camera and while I did not begin my interest in birds with
> binoculars I do own a few pairs.
> The disturbing trend that you are troubled by is what has become
> the "norm" as camera technology has evolved, many are easily
> affordable and... why not use one?
>
> It seems many of the "birders" all over the world (you know who
> you are ) look down upon those of us that use cameras.
> I would like to clarify that not all of those with cameras are
> ignorant about the birds they are photographing. I for one study
> greatly each and every bird I photograph. It is an ongoing
> learning experience that has become a passion, not just for myself
> but for many of us that use cameras and there are hundreds of
> thousands of us out there sharing photos and knowledge.
> I have a friend who has been an ornithologist for 40 plus yrs and
> he also uses a camera.
>
>  With no disrespect and this certainly does not apply to everyone,
> what seems invasive is looking at the bird while standing there
> for lengthy amounts of time documenting field notes and talking
> amongst each other as most "birders" do and often times, quite
> loudly. I have seen many times the use of idle chit chat which
> seems disrespectful to the birds environment not to mention to
> others attempting to enjoy the moment as well!
>
> People that bring in cameras "typically" get their shot and move
> on using their photos to learn the behavior of the birds at their
> leisure as we now have the internet to identify and learn from or
> use our photos to teach others or perhaps share the experience
> with those that cannot get out to see the birds themselves.
> My four year old grandson can already identify many species
> because his Mimi is teaching him and I'm certain he will teach
> others along the way which btw is a good thing, as many people
> aren't as fortunate or simply have no idea of the different
> species in existence or their needs.
>
> It has been said a picture speaks a thousand words. If ever the
> world can be educated about birds and their future existence, the
> first step in teaching is showing. It all starts with a photo.
>
> While I do agree there are some unethical people who use their
> cameras for whatever reason to take bird or wildlife photos and
> just do not care, in our experience they are few and far between.
> I have seen many hikers and/or children and their parents just as
> disrespectful along nature trails.
>  My husband and I have encountered many birders on our adventures
> and some are kind friendly people however there are those that are
> judge-mental, it's in their faces before we pass each other by,
> assuming because we have cameras we are not educated, do not have
> the birds best interest at heart or simply not a real birder. This
> could not be further from the truth, to these people we smile and
> say hello anyway!
>
>  The majority out there are truly caring and some may just be
> learning. Some are photographers but little by little they become
> addicted and pretty soon they become birders.
>  Most people who are well-versed on a subject will agree the key
> here is education and its up to those that care to make others aware.
> Not every person with a camera is after "The shot"  for bragging
> rights. Yes, it is nice to share photos and be proud and add to
> our list just like it would be for "bins birders" to talk about
> their sightings and sometimes the during the entire time they are
> in an unrelated location amongst many others while disrupting both
> the birds and also, the moment in time with the birds which we all
> try to capture, be it in our minds, in our journals or in a photo.
> Seems logical a true birder whether  "lens" or "bins" would be
> thrilled to share their passion along life's journey, as knowledge
> is power. There's room for all of us, most are out for the same
> reason, we are fascinated by birds. Maybe it's time for bins
> birders to accept and embrace lens birders,  perhaps be a mentor
> if you truly care and if you witness unethical behavior do what I
> do, speak kindly as to be informative, most people are excited to
> learn, let it start with you.
>
> (The above is not meant to be directed toward the original topic
> or to any specific situation or person. Please take no offense,
> just something that bothers many of us as birds do not belong to
> any one group they are free to be admired by all)
>
> On Wed, May 22, 2019 at 7:18 AM Tad Finnell <tadcipiter...>
> <mailto:<tadcipiter...>> wrote:
>
> Meant to send this to the list and accidentally sent it
> directly to Keith so I'm posting again.
>
> Keith's comment underscores the concern I have had since the
> inception of this thread.
> Most of the comment has been directed at birder etiquette and
> potential  for disturbance
> due to the numbers of people on the trail, but my initial
> concern is probably going to get
> me in trouble. Over the years I have spent a lot of time at
> Lafitte's Cove and Quintana
> during migration. I have seen a lot of people come through
> those areas over the years,
> and what seems to me to be a disturbing trend is that more and
> more people are coming
> into those areas with just a camera over their shoulders. They
> want to get photos of the
> birds they see. While there is nothing at all wrong with this,
> it's still a disturbing trend
> to my way of thinking. These people aren't 'birders', they are
> photographers. In the majority
> in instances, they have no idea what the bird is they have
> just photographed, and on
> occasion, overstep the bounds of 'birding etiquette' and
> common courtesy.
>    My fear is that with the information some photographers
> glean from this thread, about
> how this is the first nesting attempt, how easy it is to
> locate the nest, and how beneficial
> (not to mention 'bragging rights') photos or videos of young
> being fed would be, this thread
> creates (created) the potential for more unethical behavior
> than would have been
> expected. By photographers. I hope we don't hear stories of a
> twig at the nest that was
> blocking the perfect shot being broken off, or someone
> shooting shot after shot with a mega
> flash, or attempting to scoot along on their belly trying to
> get closer.
>    I think in the future it would be more in the interest of
> the bird to maybe supply a little
> less of the information gathered. I hope that pair makes it.
>
>                        Tad Finnell
>                        Lake Jackson
> On 5/21/2019 3:45 PM, Keith Arnold wrote:
>> An interesting thread: as a Texas ornithologist for over 50
>> years, I certainly want to see a successful nesting by these
>> birds, and yes, it is the first KNOWN attempt for Texas,
>> successful or not. I wouldn’t want anyone to disturb the nest
>> (the nest actually been seen or only an adult carrying nest
>> materials?), but I would hope that images could be made of an
>> adult feeding a fledgling, assuming a successful attempt.
>> Let’s also keep in mind that animals other than humans might
>> disrupt the nesting. Hopefully, this the start of a breeding
>> population in Tejas!
>>
>> Keith Arnold
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On May 21, 2019, at 2:22 PM, David Sarkozi <david...>
>> <mailto:<david...>> wrote:
>>
>>> Brush, "the end of the rock wall" is not where the nest is,
>>> but the point where you will see the redstarts. This is a
>>> busy site, in the time Justin and I were there close to 20
>>> people passed by. The nesting activity is so obvious that
>>> there is little chance of it staying a secret. There have
>>> been many reports of where to find these birds, This one
>>> tidbit of info will not change how many go see these birds.
>>> I guess the only danger is there is some lurking Oologist
>>> who will try and collect eggs. Certainly anyone knowing
>>> there are two birds present would put two and two together.
>>>
>>> Birders could all agree not to go and see these birds, but
>>> that leaves the 100 plus people passing this spot daily,
>>> just hiking, and likely triple that on the memorial day
>>> weekend. The presence of ethical birders will do much to
>>> ensure these birds don't get harassed by the unwitting
>>> passing by.
>>>
>>> If this is a one off nesting record, is it even all that
>>> significant? If its just the first detection of a range
>>> expansion then its most likely there are other pairs in the
>>> many inaccessible parts of the Chisos. While possible its
>>> just not likely the first nesting record is right by one of
>>> the busiest trails in the mountains. Even if this nesting
>>> attempt fails if there is a real range expansion in progress
>>> it will happen, there will be other nests.
>>>
>>> On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 11:42 AM Brush Freeman
>>> <brushfreeman...> <mailto:<brushfreeman...>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Justin et al:  I am not wanting to lecture  but I would
>>> really like a successful breeding record of the species
>>> go down in the books in Texas.  I know the area you are
>>> talking about and would likely find the nest..." The
>>> redstarts are right at the end of the wall " .  You
>>> guys  honed in on the location pretty good.  I have been
>>> present or involved in a number of first state/regional
>>> breeding records, 4-5 of them in the Trans Pecos and I
>>> know how exciting it can be, and yes all but one of
>>> those was on private or restricted property. While I
>>> don't agree with Clay's take on this in part, that is is
>>> take and he is welcome to it.
>>>    I guess one point I would make, until your post I for
>>> one and I would assume most other birders were
>>> completely unaware that there was even a female there,
>>> much less a pair trying to breed and it seemed per the
>>> posts that, that information was being kept under wraps
>>> for the bird's well being.  Cat is out of the bag now,
>>> so just spilt milk.  Oh well.
>>>
>>> On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 9:04 AM justin.bosler
>>> <justin.bosler...>
>>> <mailto:<justin.bosler...>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello Jim and Brush,
>>>
>>> Who posted the exact location of the nest? I
>>> certainly didn't. That would mean providing
>>> coordinates and detailed description of where on the
>>> slope it is.
>>>
>>> Perhaps I missed something.
>>>
>>> I am merely informing that there is a nest in
>>> progress in the general area where the male has been
>>> for a month and the pair within the last week.
>>>
>>> Take a hike, in Big Bend!
>>>
>>> Justin Bosler
>>> Austin, Texas
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>>>
>>> -------- Original message --------
>>> From: Brush Freeman <brushfreeman...>
>>> <mailto:<brushfreeman...>>
>>> Date: 5/20/19 7:23 AM (GMT-06:00)
>>> To: <jweber...> <mailto:<jweber...>
>>> Cc: <texbirds...>
>>> <mailto:<texbirds...>
>>> Subject: [texbirds] Re: Nesting pair of
>>> Slate-throated Redstarts - Please Do Not Disturb
>>>
>>> I was pretty disappointed to have read this as well
>>> especially from experienced borders but can assume
>>> excitement just prevailed. Hopefully the birds will
>>> succeed regardless.
>>>
>>> On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 6:33 AM Jim Weber
>>> <jweber...> <mailto:<jweber...>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> While we realize this is big news we had hoped
>>> people wouldn’t post the exact nest location. 
>>> We all want this pair to be successful. 
>>> Wouldn’t it be wonderful to have this species
>>> establish a population in the high Chisos?
>>>
>>> People hoping to see them need to stay on the
>>> trail and resist the temptation to go over and
>>> ‘just take a peek' in the nest.
>>>
>>> Lynne and I observed the busy female working on
>>> the nest with the singing male ’supervising’ on
>>> 5/16. David Larson of the BBNP NPS also observed
>>> the nest-building a couple hours earlier on 5/16
>>> and took detailed field notes.
>>>
>>> We took photos and videos which we submitted to
>>> TBRC along with the request that the info
>>> wouldn’t be posted anywhere.
>>>
>>> Hopefully, the ten mile round trip hike (and
>>> ~1600 ft of elevation gain in the mounting heat)
>>> will offer them some protection from the masses.
>>>
>>> Jim and Lynne Weber
>>> Austin, TX
>>> <jweber...> <mailto:<jweber...>
>>> http://naturewatchaustin.blogspot.com
>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/webersaustin/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Brush Freeman
>>> Utley & Cedar Park, Texas
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Brush Freeman
>>> Utley & Cedar Park, Texas
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> David Sarkozi
>>> Houston, TX
>>> (713) 412-4409 twitter ID dsarkozi
>
>
>
> --
> David Sarkozi
> Houston, TX
> (713) 412-4409 twitter ID dsarkozi
   I didn't realize when I created this thread that it would prompt the
response
I've seen, nor did I realize that so few would not read and understand
what I
wrote. I clearly stated that I saw nothing wrong with merely carrying a
camera
and taking photos of birds, for whatever reason one might have for doing so.
   I have been watching and identifying birds for 50 years, and have
seen over
720 species in the ABA area. I am familiar with a huge number of the state's
birder population, and I classify myself as a birder.
   During migration I find myself at Quintana or Lafitte's Cove more
often than
not. At Quintana, I'm either a host, a volunteer 'teacher', or an
observer. I've
known most of the people who utilize the Sanctuary over the years, and most
know me. This year the Sanctuary saw heavy usage. The majority of those
people were strangers to me, and a huge number of those people entered
carrying only cameras.
   The majority created no concern, but there were the instances of
jockeying
for position, approaching too closely, and moving throughout the Sanctuary
at too brisk a pace, flushing individual birds either trying to feed or
resting.
One was even spoken to about setting up tripod and lens within 5 feet of a
roosting Chuck-wills-Widow and taking flash pictures.
   The overall impression was that many couldn't care less about how many
or what kind of species were utilizing the Sanctuary. Maybe one should ask
oneself the definition of 'sanctuary'.
   This was my reasoning for my initial post. There are just too many
cameras
out there belonging to too many people desiring the perfect shot.
   So yes, David, you hit the nail on the head, and I feel the birding
community
should do what it can to protect any species that might come into conflict
with a lens. And to those hopeful 'birders' out there... Learn your
birds first,
learn your etiquette and what others expect when you enter their back yards,
and then maybe your photography will be as beneficial to wildlife as it will
be to you.
                      Tad Finnell
                     Lake Jackson

 

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Date: 5/23/19 12:56 pm
From: David Sarkozi <david...>
Subject: [texbirds] Re: Bins or Lens and why the divide?
I think the point Tad was making is there is a difference between birding
with a camera and being purely a bird photographer. There are many now who
are not using the camera to look and birds, but to photograph the birds.
Good photography is often a solitary endeavor and my guess many
photographers just don't have peers to learn acceptable behavior from. Most
of us learned how to behave in the field from peers on field trips or at
popular public birding locals.

I have many bird photography (and insect and wildflower) books that do
suggest things like pruning to get a shot. An emphasis is made on getting
close. If you don't go birding with or without a camera, and only go to
take pictures you might not learn the norms. I don't think a single one
mentions not to do that at a public sanctuary.

I forget the term for it but looking through a viewfinder you can forget
about a lot of your surroundings, This has caused the death of many a
photojournalist in times of conflict. Forgetting where you are looking at a
bird through the view finder could easily lead to finding yourself
unintentionally where shouldn't be.

We have a weekly photo contest at Anahauc NWR, Lots of birds win in that
contest and its not uncommon for the photographer not to know (or care)
what species they have photographed. Nature photography is its own pass
time now and many do not care to learn much about the birds, its about the
skill and technique to photograph for them. I dare say if you are a member
of this or any birding forum what I describe likely does not apply to you.

The bigger question is "how do we stay one community?" We have different
ways to appreciate the natural world, but we both want to preserve and even
expand it. How do we share the same places? How do we work out the conflict
when three photographers are camped in front of the drip a small sanctuary,
and their teleflash or loud shutters make the bird jump every time we try
to get a look over their shoulder?

On Wed, May 22, 2019 at 3:07 PM Lea Simmons <lsimmons1575...> wrote:

> Good afternoon
> I like most texbirders enjoy the post here but thought I would take the
> opportunity to bring up something that needs to be addressed. I would like
> to express my thoughts on a portion of the post made by Tad as not to cause
> trouble but to help raise awareness.
>
> I love and admire all birds. I am also one of those people who have a
> camera and while I did not begin my interest in birds with binoculars I do
> own a few pairs.
> The disturbing trend that you are troubled by is what has become the
> "norm" as camera technology has evolved, many are easily affordable and...
> why not use one?
>
> It seems many of the "birders" all over the world (you know who you are )
> look down upon those of us that use cameras.
> I would like to clarify that not all of those with cameras are ignorant
> about the birds they are photographing. I for one study greatly each and
> every bird I photograph. It is an ongoing learning experience that has
> become a passion, not just for myself but for many of us that use cameras
> and there are hundreds of thousands of us out there sharing photos and
> knowledge.
> I have a friend who has been an ornithologist for 40 plus yrs and he also
> uses a camera.
>
> With no disrespect and this certainly does not apply to everyone, what
> seems invasive is looking at the bird while standing there for lengthy
> amounts of time documenting field notes and talking amongst each other as
> most "birders" do and often times, quite loudly. I have seen many times the
> use of idle chit chat which seems disrespectful to the birds environment
> not to mention to others attempting to enjoy the moment as well!
>
> People that bring in cameras "typically" get their shot and move on using
> their photos to learn the behavior of the birds at their leisure as we now
> have the internet to identify and learn from or use our photos to teach
> others or perhaps share the experience with those that cannot get out to
> see the birds themselves.
>
> My four year old grandson can already identify many species because his
> Mimi is teaching him and I'm certain he will teach others along the way
> which btw is a good thing, as many people aren't as fortunate or simply
> have no idea of the different species in existence or their needs.
>
> It has been said a picture speaks a thousand words. If ever the world can
> be educated about birds and their future existence, the first step in
> teaching is showing. It all starts with a photo.
>
> While I do agree there are some unethical people who use their cameras for
> whatever reason to take bird or wildlife photos and just do not care, in
> our experience they are few and far between.
> I have seen many hikers and/or children and their parents just as
> disrespectful along nature trails.
> My husband and I have encountered many birders on our adventures and some
> are kind friendly people however there are those that are judge-mental,
> it's in their faces before we pass each other by, assuming because we have
> cameras we are not educated, do not have the birds best interest at heart
> or simply not a real birder. This could not be further from the truth, to
> these people we smile and say hello anyway!
>
> The majority out there are truly caring and some may just be learning.
> Some are photographers but little by little they become addicted and pretty
> soon they become birders.
> Most people who are well-versed on a subject will agree the key here is
> education and its up to those that care to make others aware.
> Not every person with a camera is after "The shot" for bragging rights.
> Yes, it is nice to share photos and be proud and add to our list just like
> it would be for "bins birders" to talk about their sightings and sometimes
> the during the entire time they are in an unrelated location amongst many
> others while disrupting both the birds and also, the moment in time with
> the birds which we all try to capture, be it in our minds, in our journals
> or in a photo.
> Seems logical a true birder whether "lens" or "bins" would be thrilled to
> share their passion along life's journey, as knowledge is power. There's
> room for all of us, most are out for the same reason, we are fascinated by
> birds. Maybe it's time for bins birders to accept and embrace lens birders,
> perhaps be a mentor if you truly care and if you witness unethical
> behavior do what I do, speak kindly as to be informative, most people are
> excited to learn, let it start with you.
>
> (The above is not meant to be directed toward the original topic or to any
> specific situation or person. Please take no offense, just something that
> bothers many of us as birds do not belong to any one group they are free to
> be admired by all)
>
> On Wed, May 22, 2019 at 7:18 AM Tad Finnell <tadcipiter...> wrote:
>
>> Meant to send this to the list and accidentally sent it directly to Keith
>> so I'm posting again.
>>
>> Keith's comment underscores the concern I have had since the inception of
>> this thread.
>> Most of the comment has been directed at birder etiquette and potential
>> for disturbance
>> due to the numbers of people on the trail, but my initial concern is
>> probably going to get
>> me in trouble. Over the years I have spent a lot of time at Lafitte's
>> Cove and Quintana
>> during migration. I have seen a lot of people come through those areas
>> over the years,
>> and what seems to me to be a disturbing trend is that more and more
>> people are coming
>> into those areas with just a camera over their shoulders. They want to
>> get photos of the
>> birds they see. While there is nothing at all wrong with this, it's still
>> a disturbing trend
>> to my way of thinking. These people aren't 'birders', they are
>> photographers. In the majority
>> in instances, they have no idea what the bird is they have just
>> photographed, and on
>> occasion, overstep the bounds of 'birding etiquette' and common courtesy.
>> My fear is that with the information some photographers glean from
>> this thread, about
>> how this is the first nesting attempt, how easy it is to locate the nest,
>> and how beneficial
>> (not to mention 'bragging rights') photos or videos of young being fed
>> would be, this thread
>> creates (created) the potential for more unethical behavior than would
>> have been
>> expected. By photographers. I hope we don't hear stories of a twig at the
>> nest that was
>> blocking the perfect shot being broken off, or someone shooting shot
>> after shot with a mega
>> flash, or attempting to scoot along on their belly trying to get closer.
>> I think in the future it would be more in the interest of the bird to
>> maybe supply a little
>> less of the information gathered. I hope that pair makes it.
>>
>> Tad Finnell
>> Lake Jackson
>> On 5/21/2019 3:45 PM, Keith Arnold wrote:
>>
>> An interesting thread: as a Texas ornithologist for over 50 years, I
>> certainly want to see a successful nesting by these birds, and yes, it is
>> the first KNOWN attempt for Texas, successful or not. I wouldn’t want
>> anyone to disturb the nest (the nest actually been seen or only an adult
>> carrying nest materials?), but I would hope that images could be made of an
>> adult feeding a fledgling, assuming a successful attempt.
>> Let’s also keep in mind that animals other than humans might disrupt the
>> nesting. Hopefully, this the start of a breeding population in Tejas!
>>
>> Keith Arnold
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On May 21, 2019, at 2:22 PM, David Sarkozi <david...> wrote:
>>
>> Brush, "the end of the rock wall" is not where the nest is, but the point
>> where you will see the redstarts. This is a busy site, in the time Justin
>> and I were there close to 20 people passed by. The nesting activity is so
>> obvious that there is little chance of it staying a secret. There have been
>> many reports of where to find these birds, This one tidbit of info will not
>> change how many go see these birds. I guess the only danger is there is
>> some lurking Oologist who will try and collect eggs. Certainly anyone
>> knowing there are two birds present would put two and two together.
>>
>> Birders could all agree not to go and see these birds, but that leaves
>> the 100 plus people passing this spot daily, just hiking, and likely triple
>> that on the memorial day weekend. The presence of ethical birders will do
>> much to ensure these birds don't get harassed by the unwitting passing by.
>>
>> If this is a one off nesting record, is it even all that significant? If
>> its just the first detection of a range expansion then its most likely
>> there are other pairs in the many inaccessible parts of the Chisos. While
>> possible its just not likely the first nesting record is right by one of
>> the busiest trails in the mountains. Even if this nesting attempt fails if
>> there is a real range expansion in progress it will happen, there will be
>> other nests.
>>
>> On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 11:42 AM Brush Freeman <brushfreeman...>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Justin et al: I am not wanting to lecture but I would really like a
>>> successful breeding record of the species go down in the books in Texas. I
>>> know the area you are talking about and would likely find the nest..." The
>>> redstarts are right at the end of the wall " . You guys honed in on
>>> the location pretty good. I have been present or involved in a number of
>>> first state/regional breeding records, 4-5 of them in the Trans Pecos and I
>>> know how exciting it can be, and yes all but one of those was on private or
>>> restricted property. While I don't agree with Clay's take on this in part,
>>> that is is take and he is welcome to it.
>>> I guess one point I would make, until your post I for one and I would
>>> assume most other birders were completely unaware that there was even a
>>> female there, much less a pair trying to breed and it seemed per the posts
>>> that, that information was being kept under wraps for the bird's well
>>> being. Cat is out of the bag now, so just spilt milk. Oh well.
>>>
>>> On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 9:04 AM justin.bosler <justin.bosler...>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello Jim and Brush,
>>>>
>>>> Who posted the exact location of the nest? I certainly didn't. That
>>>> would mean providing coordinates and detailed description of where on the
>>>> slope it is.
>>>>
>>>> Perhaps I missed something.
>>>>
>>>> I am merely informing that there is a nest in progress in the general
>>>> area where the male has been for a month and the pair within the last week.
>>>>
>>>> Take a hike, in Big Bend!
>>>>
>>>> Justin Bosler
>>>> Austin, Texas
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>>>>
>>>> -------- Original message --------
>>>> From: Brush Freeman <brushfreeman...>
>>>> Date: 5/20/19 7:23 AM (GMT-06:00)
>>>> To: <jweber...>
>>>> Cc: <texbirds...>
>>>> Subject: [texbirds] Re: Nesting pair of Slate-throated Redstarts -
>>>> Please Do Not Disturb
>>>>
>>>> I was pretty disappointed to have read this as well especially from
>>>> experienced borders but can assume excitement just prevailed. Hopefully the
>>>> birds will succeed regardless.
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 6:33 AM Jim Weber <jweber...> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> While we realize this is big news we had hoped people wouldn’t post
>>>>> the exact nest location. We all want this pair to be successful. Wouldn’t
>>>>> it be wonderful to have this species establish a population in the high
>>>>> Chisos?
>>>>>
>>>>> People hoping to see them need to stay on the trail and resist the
>>>>> temptation to go over and ‘just take a peek' in the nest.
>>>>>
>>>>> Lynne and I observed the busy female working on the nest with the
>>>>> singing male ’supervising’ on 5/16. David Larson of the BBNP NPS
>>>>> also observed the nest-building a couple hours earlier on 5/16 and took
>>>>> detailed field notes.
>>>>>
>>>>> We took photos and videos which we submitted to TBRC along with the
>>>>> request that the info wouldn’t be posted anywhere.
>>>>>
>>>>> Hopefully, the ten mile round trip hike (and ~1600 ft of elevation
>>>>> gain in the mounting heat) will offer them some protection from the masses.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jim and Lynne Weber
>>>>> Austin, TX
>>>>> <jweber...>
>>>>> http://naturewatchaustin.blogspot.com
>>>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/webersaustin/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> Brush Freeman
>>>> Utley & Cedar Park, Texas
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Brush Freeman
>>> Utley & Cedar Park, Texas
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>> David Sarkozi
>> Houston, TX
>> (713) 412-4409 twitter ID dsarkozi
>>
>>
>>

--
David Sarkozi
Houston, TX
(713) 412-4409 twitter ID dsarkozi

 

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Date: 5/22/19 4:01 pm
From: Patricia Wight <pcwight...>
Subject: [texbirds] Re: Bins or Lens and why the divide?
I’m a birder that became a photographer after all digital mega-zoom cameras
were introduced. I’ve posted on Birds of Texas in the past. And I’ve posted
links to several articles about ethical bird photography and yet I’ve seen
many, many posts where it looked like people were getting too close to
nesting birds of all types. And it isn’t just on that site where I’ve seen
it, there are lots of bird photography sites and, there is a competitive
spirit to get “the shot” during nesting season and migration. It would be
so helpful if the admins on those sites would promote ethical bird
photography and perhaps provide education and limits on what is acceptable/
ethical.

I had read that paying a lot of attention to a bird nest can cause birds to
abandon a nest and also alert predators to the nest. We’ve had Green Herons
nesting on our property for 7 years and I never look for the nest. I enjoy
hearing them, and then if I happen to notice them on the day the kids
fledge, I’m thrilled with that honor.

Having said all of that, it is quite a strenuous trek up the side of the
mountain to see the Slate-colored Redstarts. Hopefully those who make that
trek are informed and ethical. It sounds like there’s a good possibility
the nest could be preyed upon whether humans are the cause or not. One day
I would love to hike up the Pinnacles Trail to see Slate-colored
Redstart(s)!

BTW, my neighbor became a bird photographer, and now he wants to learn
about birds. There is definitely a lot to be gained if this is the trend.
If people fall in love with birds, you can hold out hope they will want to
protect them.

Pat Wight
Rockport



On Wed, May 22, 2019 at 5:26 PM Bob White <bobwhitebsacbc...> wrote:

> So I just logged into Facebook and the first post in my feed was from
> Birds of Texas. I won’t quote it because I have not requested permission,
> but the poster was posting a follow-up about a nest. He or she was showing
> off new photos of the nest and at least one egg, while expressing concern
> that he or she may have caused her to abandon the nest.
>
> This is not an isolated occurrence. I see lots of photos of nests, from
> hummingbird to raptor. Perhaps you should follow the lead of other FB
> groups and prohibit photos of nests and eggs in order to limit intrusive
> photography.
>
> Just my two cents.
>
> Bob White
> Jacksonville, TX
>
> > On May 22, 2019, at 4:07 PM, James Hailey <irasciblej...> wrote:
> >
> > Very well said Lea. I myself began as a birder and have become more of a
> photographer of birds and other wildlife. Bird photography has evolved and
> is a very important tool to further interest in birds, wildlife and nature
> in general. I believe photography of birds has done more for birdwatching
> than all the list serves dedicated to birding have accomplished. 4+ years
> ago I and Barry Noret became incensed at what I call the “bird police” who
> take to task others for various reasons. Together we started a Facebook
> page that had as its most important tenant that no question of
> identification or bird picture posted would be subject to attack or
> belittling by anyone. Such conduct gets you immediately blocked from the
> closed group. The page is Birds of Texas. The only requirement be a picture
> you took of a bird in Texas. Since that time we have reached over 45000,
> yes thousand, people. Most are not “serious” birders and I mean that, but
> just love to look at the first class that
> h
> > as been attracted to the site and, as a consequence, have learned much
> about birds. That’s a sizable group now supporting birds and it’s because
> of BIRD PHOTOGRAPHERS.
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
> >
> >> On May 22, 2019, at 3:06 PM, Lea Simmons <lsimmons1575...>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> again.
> > Edit your Freelists account settings for TEXBIRDS at
> > http://www.freelists.org/list/texbirds
> >
> > Reposting of traffic from TEXBIRDS is prohibited without seeking
> permission
> > from the List Owner
> >
> >
> Edit your Freelists account settings for TEXBIRDS at
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>
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Date: 5/22/19 3:56 pm
From: CAROL CULIN <culi...>
Subject: [texbirds] Re: Bins or Lens and why the divide?
I was thinking the same when I saw the post. And ones of hummingbirds too.

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 22, 2019, at 5:25 PM, Bob White <bobwhitebsacbc...> wrote:
>
> So I just logged into Facebook and the first post in my feed was from Birds of Texas. I won’t quote it because I have not requested permission, but the poster was posting a follow-up about a nest. He or she was showing off new photos of the nest and at least one egg, while expressing concern that he or she may have caused her to abandon the nest.
>
> This is not an isolated occurrence. I see lots of photos of nests, from hummingbird to raptor. Perhaps you should follow the lead of other FB groups and prohibit photos of nests and eggs in order to limit intrusive photography.
>
> Just my two cents.
>
> Bob White
> Jacksonville, TX
>
>> On May 22, 2019, at 4:07 PM, James Hailey <irasciblej...> wrote:
>>
>> Very well said Lea. I myself began as a birder and have become more of a photographer of birds and other wildlife. Bird photography has evolved and is a very important tool to further interest in birds, wildlife and nature in general. I believe photography of birds has done more for birdwatching than all the list serves dedicated to birding have accomplished. 4+ years ago I and Barry Noret became incensed at what I call the “bird police” who take to task others for various reasons. Together we started a Facebook page that had as its most important tenant that no question of identification or bird picture posted would be subject to attack or belittling by anyone. Such conduct gets you immediately blocked from the closed group. The page is Birds of Texas. The only requirement be a picture you took of a bird in Texas. Since that time we have reached over 45000, yes thousand, people. Most are not “serious” birders and I mean that, but just love to look at the first class tha
t
> h
>> as been attracted to the site and, as a consequence, have learned much about birds. That’s a sizable group now supporting birds and it’s because of BIRD PHOTOGRAPHERS.
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>> On May 22, 2019, at 3:06 PM, Lea Simmons <lsimmons1575...> wrote:
>>>
>>> again.
>> Edit your Freelists account settings for TEXBIRDS at
>> http://www.freelists.org/list/texbirds
>>
>> Reposting of traffic from TEXBIRDS is prohibited without seeking permission
>> from the List Owner
>>
>>
> Edit your Freelists account settings for TEXBIRDS at
> http://www.freelists.org/list/texbirds
>
> Reposting of traffic from TEXBIRDS is prohibited without seeking permission
> from the List Owner
>
>

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Date: 5/22/19 3:26 pm
From: Bob White <bobwhitebsacbc...>
Subject: [texbirds] Re: Bins or Lens and why the divide?
So I just logged into Facebook and the first post in my feed was from Birds of Texas. I won’t quote it because I have not requested permission, but the poster was posting a follow-up about a nest. He or she was showing off new photos of the nest and at least one egg, while expressing concern that he or she may have caused her to abandon the nest.

This is not an isolated occurrence. I see lots of photos of nests, from hummingbird to raptor. Perhaps you should follow the lead of other FB groups and prohibit photos of nests and eggs in order to limit intrusive photography.

Just my two cents.

Bob White
Jacksonville, TX

> On May 22, 2019, at 4:07 PM, James Hailey <irasciblej...> wrote:
>
> Very well said Lea. I myself began as a birder and have become more of a photographer of birds and other wildlife. Bird photography has evolved and is a very important tool to further interest in birds, wildlife and nature in general. I believe photography of birds has done more for birdwatching than all the list serves dedicated to birding have accomplished. 4+ years ago I and Barry Noret became incensed at what I call the “bird police” who take to task others for various reasons. Together we started a Facebook page that had as its most important tenant that no question of identification or bird picture posted would be subject to attack or belittling by anyone. Such conduct gets you immediately blocked from the closed group. The page is Birds of Texas. The only requirement be a picture you took of a bird in Texas. Since that time we have reached over 45000, yes thousand, people. Most are not “serious” birders and I mean that, but just love to look at the first class that
h
> as been attracted to the site and, as a consequence, have learned much about birds. That’s a sizable group now supporting birds and it’s because of BIRD PHOTOGRAPHERS.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On May 22, 2019, at 3:06 PM, Lea Simmons <lsimmons1575...> wrote:
>>
>> again.
> Edit your Freelists account settings for TEXBIRDS at
> http://www.freelists.org/list/texbirds
>
> Reposting of traffic from TEXBIRDS is prohibited without seeking permission
> from the List Owner
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Date: 5/22/19 2:08 pm
From: James Hailey <irasciblej...>
Subject: [texbirds] Re: Bins or Lens and why the divide?
Very well said Lea. I myself began as a birder and have become more of a photographer of birds and other wildlife. Bird photography has evolved and is a very important tool to further interest in birds, wildlife and nature in general. I believe photography of birds has done more for birdwatching than all the list serves dedicated to birding have accomplished. 4+ years ago I and Barry Noret became incensed at what I call the “bird police” who take to task others for various reasons. Together we started a Facebook page that had as its most important tenant that no question of identification or bird picture posted would be subject to attack or belittling by anyone. Such conduct gets you immediately blocked from the closed group. The page is Birds of Texas. The only requirement be a picture you took of a bird in Texas. Since that time we have reached over 45000, yes thousand, people. Most are not “serious” birders and I mean that, but just love to look at the first class that h
as been attracted to the site and, as a consequence, have learned much about birds. That’s a sizable group now supporting birds and it’s because of BIRD PHOTOGRAPHERS.

Sent from my iPad

> On May 22, 2019, at 3:06 PM, Lea Simmons <lsimmons1575...> wrote:
>
> again.
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Date: 5/22/19 1:07 pm
From: Lea Simmons <lsimmons1575...>
Subject: [texbirds] Bins or Lens and why the divide?
Good afternoon
I like most texbirders enjoy the post here but thought I would take the opportunity to bring up something that needs to be addressed. I would like to express my thoughts on a portion of the post made by Tad as not to cause trouble but to help raise awareness.

I love and admire all birds. I am also one of those people who have a camera and while I did not begin my interest in birds with binoculars I do own a few pairs.
The disturbing trend that you are troubled by is what has become the "norm" as camera technology has evolved, many are easily affordable and... why not use one?

It seems many of the "birders" all over the world (you know who you are ) look down upon those of us that use cameras.
I would like to clarify that not all of those with cameras are ignorant about the birds they are photographing. I for one study greatly each and every bird I photograph. It is an ongoing learning experience that has become a passion, not just for myself but for many of us that use cameras and there are hundreds of thousands of us out there sharing photos and knowledge.
I have a friend who has been an ornithologist for 40 plus yrs and he also uses a camera.

With no disrespect and this certainly does not apply to everyone, what seems invasive is looking at the bird while standing there for lengthy amounts of time documenting field notes and talking amongst each other as most "birders" do and often times, quite loudly. I have seen many times the use of idle chit chat which seems disrespectful to the birds environment not to mention to others attempting to enjoy the moment as well!

People that bring in cameras "typically" get their shot and move on using their photos to learn the behavior of the birds at their leisure as we now have the internet to identify and learn from or use our photos to teach others or perhaps share the experience with those that cannot get out to see the birds themselves.

My four year old grandson can already identify many species because his Mimi is teaching him and I'm certain he will teach others along the way which btw is a good thing, as many people aren't as fortunate or simply have no idea of the different species in existence or their needs.

It has been said a picture speaks a thousand words. If ever the world can be educated about birds and their future existence, the first step in teaching is showing. It all starts with a photo.

While I do agree there are some unethical people who use their cameras for whatever reason to take bird or wildlife photos and just do not care, in our experience they are few and far between.
I have seen many hikers and/or children and their parents just as disrespectful along nature trails.
My husband and I have encountered many birders on our adventures and some are kind friendly people however there are those that are judge-mental, it's in their faces before we pass each other by, assuming because we have cameras we are not educated, do not have the birds best interest at heart or simply not a real birder. This could not be further from the truth, to these people we smile and say hello anyway!

The majority out there are truly caring and some may just be learning. Some are photographers but little by little they become addicted and pretty soon they become birders.
Most people who are well-versed on a subject will agree the key here is education and its up to those that care to make others aware.
Not every person with a camera is after "The shot" for bragging rights. Yes, it is nice to share photos and be proud and add to our list just like it would be for "bins birders" to talk about their sightings and sometimes the during the entire time they are in an unrelated location amongst many others while disrupting both the birds and also, the moment in time with the birds which we all try to capture, be it in our minds, in our journals or in a photo.
Seems logical a true birder whether "lens" or "bins" would be thrilled to share their passion along life's journey, as knowledge is power. There's room for all of us, most are out for the same reason, we are fascinated by birds. Maybe it's time for bins birders to accept and embrace lens birders, perhaps be a mentor if you truly care and if you witness unethical behavior do what I do, speak kindly as to be informative, most people are excited to learn, let it start with you.

(The above is not meant to be directed toward the original topic or to any specific situation or person. Please take no offense, just something that bothers many of us as birds do not belong to any one group they are free to be admired by all)

> On Wed, May 22, 2019 at 7:18 AM Tad Finnell <tadcipiter...> wrote:
> Meant to send this to the list and accidentally sent it directly to Keith so I'm posting again.
>
> Keith's comment underscores the concern I have had since the inception of this thread.
> Most of the comment has been directed at birder etiquette and potential for disturbance
> due to the numbers of people on the trail, but my initial concern is probably going to get
> me in trouble. Over the years I have spent a lot of time at Lafitte's Cove and Quintana
> during migration. I have seen a lot of people come through those areas over the years,
> and what seems to me to be a disturbing trend is that more and more people are coming
> into those areas with just a camera over their shoulders. They want to get photos of the
> birds they see. While there is nothing at all wrong with this, it's still a disturbing trend
> to my way of thinking. These people aren't 'birders', they are photographers. In the majority
> in instances, they have no idea what the bird is they have just photographed, and on
> occasion, overstep the bounds of 'birding etiquette' and common courtesy.
> My fear is that with the information some photographers glean from this thread, about
> how this is the first nesting attempt, how easy it is to locate the nest, and how beneficial
> (not to mention 'bragging rights') photos or videos of young being fed would be, this thread
> creates (created) the potential for more unethical behavior than would have been
> expected. By photographers. I hope we don't hear stories of a twig at the nest that was
> blocking the perfect shot being broken off, or someone shooting shot after shot with a mega
> flash, or attempting to scoot along on their belly trying to get closer.
> I think in the future it would be more in the interest of the bird to maybe supply a little
> less of the information gathered. I hope that pair makes it.
>
> Tad Finnell
> Lake Jackson
>> On 5/21/2019 3:45 PM, Keith Arnold wrote:
>> An interesting thread: as a Texas ornithologist for over 50 years, I certainly want to see a successful nesting by these birds, and yes, it is the first KNOWN attempt for Texas, successful or not. I wouldn’t want anyone to disturb the nest (the nest actually been seen or only an adult carrying nest materials?), but I would hope that images could be made of an adult feeding a fledgling, assuming a successful attempt.
>> Let’s also keep in mind that animals other than humans might disrupt the nesting. Hopefully, this the start of a breeding population in Tejas!
>>
>> Keith Arnold
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On May 21, 2019, at 2:22 PM, David Sarkozi <david...> wrote:
>>
>>> Brush, "the end of the rock wall" is not where the nest is, but the point where you will see the redstarts. This is a busy site, in the time Justin and I were there close to 20 people passed by. The nesting activity is so obvious that there is little chance of it staying a secret. There have been many reports of where to find these birds, This one tidbit of info will not change how many go see these birds. I guess the only danger is there is some lurking Oologist who will try and collect eggs. Certainly anyone knowing there are two birds present would put two and two together.
>>>
>>> Birders could all agree not to go and see these birds, but that leaves the 100 plus people passing this spot daily, just hiking, and likely triple that on the memorial day weekend. The presence of ethical birders will do much to ensure these birds don't get harassed by the unwitting passing by.
>>>
>>> If this is a one off nesting record, is it even all that significant? If its just the first detection of a range expansion then its most likely there are other pairs in the many inaccessible parts of the Chisos. While possible its just not likely the first nesting record is right by one of the busiest trails in the mountains. Even if this nesting attempt fails if there is a real range expansion in progress it will happen, there will be other nests.
>>>
>>>> On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 11:42 AM Brush Freeman <brushfreeman...> wrote:
>>>> Justin et al: I am not wanting to lecture but I would really like a successful breeding record of the species go down in the books in Texas. I know the area you are talking about and would likely find the nest..." The redstarts are right at the end of the wall " . You guys honed in on the location pretty good. I have been present or involved in a number of first state/regional breeding records, 4-5 of them in the Trans Pecos and I know how exciting it can be, and yes all but one of those was on private or restricted property. While I don't agree with Clay's take on this in part, that is is take and he is welcome to it.
>>>> I guess one point I would make, until your post I for one and I would assume most other birders were completely unaware that there was even a female there, much less a pair trying to breed and it seemed per the posts that, that information was being kept under wraps for the bird's well being. Cat is out of the bag now, so just spilt milk. Oh well.
>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 9:04 AM justin.bosler <justin.bosler...> wrote:
>>>>> Hello Jim and Brush,
>>>>>
>>>>> Who posted the exact location of the nest? I certainly didn't. That would mean providing coordinates and detailed description of where on the slope it is.
>>>>>
>>>>> Perhaps I missed something.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am merely informing that there is a nest in progress in the general area where the male has been for a month and the pair within the last week.
>>>>>
>>>>> Take a hike, in Big Bend!
>>>>>
>>>>> Justin Bosler
>>>>> Austin, Texas
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>>>>>
>>>>> -------- Original message --------
>>>>> From: Brush Freeman <brushfreeman...>
>>>>> Date: 5/20/19 7:23 AM (GMT-06:00)
>>>>> To: <jweber...>
>>>>> Cc: <texbirds...>
>>>>> Subject: [texbirds] Re: Nesting pair of Slate-throated Redstarts - Please Do Not Disturb
>>>>>
>>>>> I was pretty disappointed to have read this as well especially from experienced borders but can assume excitement just prevailed. Hopefully the birds will succeed regardless.
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 6:33 AM Jim Weber <jweber...> wrote:
>>>>>> While we realize this is big news we had hoped people wouldn’t post the exact nest location. We all want this pair to be successful. Wouldn’t it be wonderful to have this species establish a population in the high Chisos?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> People hoping to see them need to stay on the trail and resist the temptation to go over and ‘just take a peek' in the nest.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lynne and I observed the busy female working on the nest with the singing male ’supervising’ on 5/16. David Larson of the BBNP NPS also observed the nest-building a couple hours earlier on 5/16 and took detailed field notes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We took photos and videos which we submitted to TBRC along with the request that the info wouldn’t be posted anywhere.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hopefully, the ten mile round trip hike (and ~1600 ft of elevation gain in the mounting heat) will offer them some protection from the masses.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jim and Lynne Weber
>>>>>> Austin, TX
>>>>>> <jweber...>
>>>>>> http://naturewatchaustin.blogspot.com
>>>>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/webersaustin/
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>> Brush Freeman
>>>>> Utley & Cedar Park, Texas
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> Brush Freeman
>>>> Utley & Cedar Park, Texas
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> David Sarkozi
>>> Houston, TX
>>> (713) 412-4409 twitter ID dsarkozi

 

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Date: 5/22/19 12:59 pm
From: Brush Freeman <brushfreeman...>
Subject: [texbirds] Re: Swallow-tailed Kite in far southwest Austin
Observed/photo'ed carrying nesting material in Bastrop 5 years ago but nest
was not discovered.

On Wed, May 22, 2019 at 1:24 PM Clay Taylor <Clay.Taylor...>
wrote:

> All -
> Cool sighting!
>
> Given that Swallow-tailed Kites have expanded south and west from the Liberty
> / Houston area all the way to the Ganado / Lake Texana area (as per Petra
> Hockey’s report), the Austin area is certainly not any farther away from
> their “home base”. That would be great news.
>
> Clay Taylor
> TOS Life Member
> Swarovski Optik N.A.
> (Calallen) Corpus Christi, TX
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 22, 2019, at 10:37 AM, Justin Bosler <justin.bosler...>
> wrote:
>
> Thanks for the report, John! That's not very far, as the kite flies, from
> a few late March reports and makes me wonder if the bird(s) has/ have been
> lingering, going undetected/ unreported, since then.
>
> Thank you!
> Justin Bosler
> Austin, Texas
>
> On Wed, May 22, 2019 at 10:22 AM John Arvin <jcarvin43...> wrote:
>
>> A Swallow-tailed Kite soared over the intersection of Circle Drive (far
>> end) and Hwy 290 in far southwest Austin for about 10 minutes this morning
>> (May 22, 2019) . I never observed it to flap during the entire sighting but
>> its aerobatics were quite impressive.
>>
>

--

Brush Freeman
<http://www.biospatialsevices.com>
Utley & Cedar Park, Texas

 

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Date: 5/22/19 11:24 am
From: Clay Taylor <Clay.Taylor...>
Subject: [texbirds] Re: Swallow-tailed Kite in far southwest Austin
All -
Cool sighting!

Given that Swallow-tailed Kites have expanded south and west from the Liberty / Houston area all the way to the Ganado / Lake Texana area (as per Petra Hockey's report), the Austin area is certainly not any farther away from their "home base". That would be great news.

Clay Taylor
TOS Life Member
Swarovski Optik N.A.
(Calallen) Corpus Christi, TX

Sent from my iPhone

On May 22, 2019, at 10:37 AM, Justin Bosler <justin.bosler...><mailto:<justin.bosler...>> wrote:

Thanks for the report, John! That's not very far, as the kite flies, from a few late March reports and makes me wonder if the bird(s) has/ have been lingering, going undetected/ unreported, since then.

Thank you!
Justin Bosler
Austin, Texas

On Wed, May 22, 2019 at 10:22 AM John Arvin <jcarvin43...><mailto:<jcarvin43...>> wrote:
A Swallow-tailed Kite soared over the intersection of Circle Drive (far end) and Hwy 290 in far southwest Austin for about 10 minutes this morning (May 22, 2019) . I never observed it to flap during the entire sighting but its aerobatics were quite impressive.

 

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Date: 5/22/19 10:22 am
From: Timothy Brush <timothy.brush...>
Subject: [texbirds] Re: Nesting pair of Slate-throated Redstarts - Please Do Not Disturb
There can definitely be tradeoffs among 1) helping others to see a bird (some of whom will see it mainly through their camera lenses and not all of whom will be careful), 2) documenting the nesting and occurrence for posterity, 3) ensuring as much as possible the likelihood of success and 4) sometimes private property rights (obviously not the latter in this case since federal land). I am sure a lot goes unreported or “generically” reported (without mention of nesting). As Justin mentions, sometimes it’s better to know where a nest may be to avoid disturbance, while as Tad mentioned, mentioning a nest may attract others looking to score the rarity especially with photos. In these particular birds’ favor is the long, very strenuous hike on top of the long drive and limited accommodations. I am not sure what I would have done—maybe mention that the birds are possibly nesting and please stay on the trail and be sensitive to behavior. It does sound like these birds at certain stages of the nesting cycle are very conspicuous, so maybe many folks would have seen such behavior on their own (of course, not all will know what it means!).

On a related note, I am not much of a lister any more, but it must be frustrating when access is limited or impossible to a bird you want to see.
That’s life in Texas, and all we can do is thank those who make access available, on their terms.
Of course, some landowners are trying to make money via ecotourism, to help them sustain their ranch/property (again not the case here).

Best regards,
Tim Brush
Edinburg, TX

From: <texbirds-bounce...> <texbirds-bounce...> On Behalf Of Justin Bosler
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2019 4:31 PM
To: Keith Arnold <kbarnold2...>
Cc: <texbirds...>
Subject: [texbirds] Re: Nesting pair of Slate-throated Redstarts - Please Do Not Disturb

Hi Dr. Arnold,

I don't think anyone wants to see harm come to these birds or their nest. And yes, there is a nest being constructed among the grasses and leaf litter on the ground. David and I gave them a wide berth on Sunday and couldn't see the actual nest. I always think about the welfare of a bird(s) before reporting them to a public forum. Also, birds are MUCH more resilient than humans give them credit for, but I know that you know that. Hundreds of people drove up to within feet of the breeding pair of Slate-throated Redstarts and their nest in Arizona and they successfully fledged three offspring.

My posts to Texbirds aren't meant to be braggadocios. They are solely intended to share information. I'm trying to keep the sharing spirit alive as it has most definitely seen a sharp decline in the last decade. Far more information is kept secret/private (or simply not shared out of laziness?) and much less is shared with the broader community, aside from pretty pictures on facebook. But what about the back story and behavioral and contextual information???

Kind regards,
Justin Bosler
Austin, Texas

On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 3:45 PM Keith Arnold <kbarnold2...><mailto:<kbarnold2...>> wrote:
An interesting thread: as a Texas ornithologist for over 50 years, I certainly want to see a successful nesting by these birds, and yes, it is the first KNOWN attempt for Texas, successful or not. I wouldn’t want anyone to disturb the nest (the nest actually been seen or only an adult carrying nest materials?), but I would hope that images could be made of an adult feeding a fledgling, assuming a successful attempt.
Let’s also keep in mind that animals other than humans might disrupt the nesting. Hopefully, this the start of a breeding population in Tejas!

Keith Arnold

Sent from my iPhone

On May 21, 2019, at 2:22 PM, David Sarkozi <david...><mailto:<david...>> wrote:
Brush, "the end of the rock wall" is not where the nest is, but the point where you will see the redstarts. This is a busy site, in the time Justin and I were there close to 20 people passed by. The nesting activity is so obvious that there is little chance of it staying a secret. There have been many reports of where to find these birds, This one tidbit of info will not change how many go see these birds. I guess the only danger is there is some lurking Oologist who will try and collect eggs. Certainly anyone knowing there are two birds present would put two and two together.

Birders could all agree not to go and see these birds, but that leaves the 100 plus people passing this spot daily, just hiking, and likely triple that on the memorial day weekend. The presence of ethical birders will do much to ensure these birds don't get harassed by the unwitting passing by.

If this is a one off nesting record, is it even all that significant? If its just the first detection of a range expansion then its most likely there are other pairs in the many inaccessible parts of the Chisos. While possible its just not likely the first nesting record is right by one of the busiest trails in the mountains. Even if this nesting attempt fails if there is a real range expansion in progress it will happen, there will be other nests.

On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 11:42 AM Brush Freeman <brushfreeman...><mailto:<brushfreeman...>> wrote:
Justin et al: I am not wanting to lecture but I would really like a successful breeding record of the species go down in the books in Texas. I know the area you are talking about and would likely find the nest..." The redstarts are right at the end of the wall " . You guys honed in on the location pretty good. I have been present or involved in a number of first state/regional breeding records, 4-5 of them in the Trans Pecos and I know how exciting it can be, and yes all but one of those was on private or restricted property. While I don't agree with Clay's take on this in part, that is is take and he is welcome to it.
I guess one point I would make, until your post I for one and I would assume most other birders were completely unaware that there was even a female there, much less a pair trying to breed and it seemed per the posts that, that information was being kept under wraps for the bird's well being. Cat is out of the bag now, so just spilt milk. Oh well.

On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 9:04 AM justin.bosler <justin.bosler...><mailto:<justin.bosler...>> wrote:
Hello Jim and Brush,

Who posted the exact location of the nest? I certainly didn't. That would mean providing coordinates and detailed description of where on the slope it is.

Perhaps I missed something.

I am merely informing that there is a nest in progress in the general area where the male has been for a month and the pair within the last week.

Take a hike, in Big Bend!

Justin Bosler
Austin, Texas



Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

-------- Original message --------
From: Brush Freeman <brushfreeman...><mailto:<brushfreeman...>>
Date: 5/20/19 7:23 AM (GMT-06:00)
To: <jweber...><mailto:<jweber...>
Cc: <texbirds...><mailto:<texbirds...>
Subject: [texbirds] Re: Nesting pair of Slate-throated Redstarts - Please Do Not Disturb

I was pretty disappointed to have read this as well especially from experienced borders but can assume excitement just prevailed. Hopefully the birds will succeed regardless.

On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 6:33 AM Jim Weber <jweber...><mailto:<jweber...>> wrote:
While we realize this is big news we had hoped people wouldn’t post the exact nest location. We all want this pair to be successful. Wouldn’t it be wonderful to have this species establish a population in the high Chisos?

People hoping to see them need to stay on the trail and resist the temptation to go over and ‘just take a peek' in the nest.

Lynne and I observed the busy female working on the nest with the singing male ’supervising’ on 5/16. David Larson of the BBNP NPS also observed the nest-building a couple hours earlier on 5/16 and took detailed field notes.

We took photos and videos which we submitted to TBRC along with the request that the info wouldn’t be posted anywhere.

Hopefully, the ten mile round trip hike (and ~1600 ft of elevation gain in the mounting heat) will offer them some protection from the masses.

Jim and Lynne Weber
Austin, TX
<jweber...><mailto:<jweber...>
http://naturewatchaustin.blogspot.com<https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fnaturewatchaustin.blogspot.com&data=02%7C01%<7Ctimothy.brush...>%7C9ffe9bfe64b64e3b60e108d6de33cf92%7C990436a687df491c91249afa91f88827%7C0%7C0%7C636940711447428606&sdata=GbGyShHWCLrKX1MXyYiHi743WN5GnWIhM05WOrIgf5E%3D&reserved=0>
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--

Brush Freeman
Utley & Cedar Park, Texas




--

Brush Freeman
Utley & Cedar Park, Texas




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Houston, TX
(713) 412-4409 twitter ID dsarkozi
 

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From: James Hailey <irasciblej...>
Subject: [texbirds] Local guide
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Date: 5/22/19 8:37 am
From: Justin Bosler <justin.bosler...>
Subject: [texbirds] Re: Swallow-tailed Kite in far southwest Austin
Thanks for the report, John! That's not very far, as the kite flies, from a
few late March reports and makes me wonder if the bird(s) has/ have been
lingering, going undetected/ unreported, since then.

Thank you!
Justin Bosler
Austin, Texas

On Wed, May 22, 2019 at 10:22 AM John Arvin <jcarvin43...> wrote:

> A Swallow-tailed Kite soared over the intersection of Circle Drive (far
> end) and Hwy 290 in far southwest Austin for about 10 minutes this morning
> (May 22, 2019) . I never observed it to flap during the entire sighting but
> its aerobatics were quite impressive.
>

 

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Date: 5/22/19 8:22 am
From: John Arvin <jcarvin43...>
Subject: [texbirds] Swallow-tailed Kite in far southwest Austin
A Swallow-tailed Kite soared over the intersection of Circle Drive (far
end) and Hwy 290 in far southwest Austin for about 10 minutes this morning
(May 22, 2019) . I never observed it to flap during the entire sighting but
its aerobatics were quite impressive.

 

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Date: 5/22/19 6:54 am
From: Dennis Shepler <dawgler...>
Subject: [texbirds] Re: Nesting pair of Slate-throated Redstarts - Please Do Not Disturb
Yep.


On Wed, May 22, 2019 at 7:18 AM Tad Finnell <tadcipiter...> wrote:

> Meant to send this to the list and accidentally sent it directly to Keith
> so I'm posting again.
>
> Keith's comment underscores the concern I have had since the inception of
> this thread.
> Most of the comment has been directed at birder etiquette and potential
> for disturbance
> due to the numbers of people on the trail, but my initial concern is
> probably going to get
> me in trouble. Over the years I have spent a lot of time at Lafitte's Cove
> and Quintana
> during migration. I have seen a lot of people come through those areas
> over the years,
> and what seems to me to be a disturbing trend is that more and more people
> are coming
> into those areas with just a camera over their shoulders. They want to get
> photos of the
> birds they see. While there is nothing at all wrong with this, it's still
> a disturbing trend
> to my way of thinking. These people aren't 'birders', they are
> photographers. In the majority
> in instances, they have no idea what the bird is they have just
> photographed, and on
> occasion, overstep the bounds of 'birding etiquette' and common courtesy.
> My fear is that with the information some photographers glean from this
> thread, about
> how this is the first nesting attempt, how easy it is to locate the nest,
> and how beneficial
> (not to mention 'bragging rights') photos or videos of young being fed
> would be, this thread
> creates (created) the potential for more unethical behavior than would
> have been
> expected. By photographers. I hope we don't hear stories of a twig at the
> nest that was
> blocking the perfect shot being broken off, or someone shooting shot after
> shot with a mega
> flash, or attempting to scoot along on their belly trying to get closer.
> I think in the future it would be more in the interest of the bird to
> maybe supply a little
> less of the information gathered. I hope that pair makes it.
> Tad Finnell
> Lake Jackson
> On 5/21/2019 3:45 PM, Keith Arnold wrote:
>
> An interesting thread: as a Texas ornithologist for over 50 years, I
> certainly want to see a successful nesting by these birds, and yes, it is
> the first KNOWN attempt for Texas, successful or not. I wouldn’t want
> anyone to disturb the nest (the nest actually been seen or only an adult
> carrying nest materials?), but I would hope that images could be made of an
> adult feeding a fledgling, assuming a successful attempt.
> Let’s also keep in mind that animals other than humans might disrupt the
> nesting. Hopefully, this the start of a breeding population in Tejas!
>
> Keith Arnold
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 21, 2019, at 2:22 PM, David Sarkozi <david...> wrote:
>
> Brush, "the end of the rock wall" is not where the nest is, but the point
> where you will see the redstarts. This is a busy site, in the time Justin
> and I were there close to 20 people passed by. The nesting activity is so
> obvious that there is little chance of it staying a secret. There have been
> many reports of where to find these birds, This one tidbit of info will not
> change how many go see these birds. I guess the only danger is there is
> some lurking Oologist who will try and collect eggs. Certainly anyone
> knowing there are two birds present would put two and two together.
>
> Birders could all agree not to go and see these birds, but that leaves the
> 100 plus people passing this spot daily, just hiking, and likely triple
> that on the memorial day weekend. The presence of ethical birders will do
> much to ensure these birds don't get harassed by the unwitting passing by.
>
> If this is a one off nesting record, is it even all that significant? If
> its just the first detection of a range expansion then its most likely
> there are other pairs in the many inaccessible parts of the Chisos. While
> possible its just not likely the first nesting record is right by one of
> the busiest trails in the mountains. Even if this nesting attempt fails if
> there is a real range expansion in progress it will happen, there will be
> other nests.
>
> On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 11:42 AM Brush Freeman <brushfreeman...>
> wrote:
>
>> Justin et al: I am not wanting to lecture but I would really like a
>> successful breeding record of the species go down in the books in Texas. I
>> know the area you are talking about and would likely find the nest..." The
>> redstarts are right at the end of the wall " . You guys honed in on
>> the location pretty good. I have been present or involved in a number of
>> first state/regional breeding records, 4-5 of them in the Trans Pecos and I
>> know how exciting it can be, and yes all but one of those was on private or
>> restricted property. While I don't agree with Clay's take on this in part,
>> that is is take and he is welcome to it.
>> I guess one point I would make, until your post I for one and I would
>> assume most other birders were completely unaware that there was even a
>> female there, much less a pair trying to breed and it seemed per the posts
>> that, that information was being kept under wraps for the bird's well
>> being. Cat is out of the bag now, so just spilt milk. Oh well.
>>
>> On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 9:04 AM justin.bosler <justin.bosler...>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello Jim and Brush,
>>>
>>> Who posted the exact location of the nest? I certainly didn't. That
>>> would mean providing coordinates and detailed description of where on the
>>> slope it is.
>>>
>>> Perhaps I missed something.
>>>
>>> I am merely informing that there is a nest in progress in the general
>>> area where the male has been for a month and the pair within the last week.
>>>
>>> Take a hike, in Big Bend!
>>>
>>> Justin Bosler
>>> Austin, Texas
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>>>
>>> -------- Original message --------
>>> From: Brush Freeman <brushfreeman...>
>>> Date: 5/20/19 7:23 AM (GMT-06:00)
>>> To: <jweber...>
>>> Cc: <texbirds...>
>>> Subject: [texbirds] Re: Nesting pair of Slate-throated Redstarts -
>>> Please Do Not Disturb
>>>
>>> I was pretty disappointed to have read this as well especially from
>>> experienced borders but can assume excitement just prevailed. Hopefully the
>>> birds will succeed regardless.
>>>
>>> On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 6:33 AM Jim Weber <jweber...> wrote:
>>>
>>>> While we realize this is big news we had hoped people wouldn’t post the
>>>> exact nest location. We all want this pair to be successful. Wouldn’t it
>>>> be wonderful to have this species establish a population in the high
>>>> Chisos?
>>>>
>>>> People hoping to see them need to stay on the trail and resist the
>>>> temptation to go over and ‘just take a peek' in the nest.
>>>>
>>>> Lynne and I observed the busy female working on the nest with the
>>>> singing male ’supervising’ on 5/16. David Larson of the BBNP NPS also
>>>> observed the nest-building a couple hours earlier on 5/16 and took detailed
>>>> field notes.
>>>>
>>>> We took photos and videos which we submitted to TBRC along with the
>>>> request that the info wouldn’t be posted anywhere.
>>>>
>>>> Hopefully, the ten mile round trip hike (and ~1600 ft of elevation gain
>>>> in the mounting heat) will offer them some protection from the masses.
>>>>
>>>> Jim and Lynne Weber
>>>> Austin, TX
>>>> <jweber...>
>>>> http://naturewatchaustin.blogspot.com
>>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/webersaustin/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>
>>> Brush Freeman
>>> Utley & Cedar Park, Texas
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Brush Freeman
>> Utley & Cedar Park, Texas
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> --
> David Sarkozi
> Houston, TX
> (713) 412-4409 twitter ID dsarkozi
>
>
>

--
W. Dennis Shepler

 

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Date: 5/22/19 5:18 am
From: Tad Finnell <tadcipiter...>
Subject: [texbirds] Re: Nesting pair of Slate-throated Redstarts - Please Do Not Disturb
Meant to send this to the list and accidentally sent it directly to
Keith so I'm posting again.

Keith's comment underscores the concern I have had since the inception
of this thread.
Most of the comment has been directed at birder etiquette and potential 
for disturbance
due to the numbers of people on the trail, but my initial concern is
probably going to get
me in trouble. Over the years I have spent a lot of time at Lafitte's
Cove and Quintana
during migration. I have seen a lot of people come through those areas
over the years,
and what seems to me to be a disturbing trend is that more and more
people are coming
into those areas with just a camera over their shoulders. They want to
get photos of the
birds they see. While there is nothing at all wrong with this, it's
still a disturbing trend
to my way of thinking. These people aren't 'birders', they are
photographers. In the majority
in instances, they have no idea what the bird is they have just
photographed, and on
occasion, overstep the bounds of 'birding etiquette' and common courtesy.
   My fear is that with the information some photographers glean from
this thread, about
how this is the first nesting attempt, how easy it is to locate the
nest, and how beneficial
(not to mention 'bragging rights') photos or videos of young being fed
would be, this thread
creates (created) the potential for more unethical behavior than would
have been
expected. By photographers. I hope we don't hear stories of a twig at
the nest that was
blocking the perfect shot being broken off, or someone shooting shot
after shot with a mega
flash, or attempting to scoot along on their belly trying to get closer.
   I think in the future it would be more in the interest of the bird
to maybe supply a little
less of the information gathered. I hope that pair makes it.
                       Tad Finnell
                       Lake Jackson
On 5/21/2019 3:45 PM, Keith Arnold wrote:
> An interesting thread: as a Texas ornithologist for over 50 years, I
> certainly want to see a successful nesting by these birds, and yes, it
> is the first KNOWN attempt for Texas, successful or not. I wouldn’t
> want anyone to disturb the nest (the nest actually been seen or only
> an adult carrying nest materials?), but I would hope that images could
> be made of an adult feeding a fledgling, assuming a successful attempt.
> Let’s also keep in mind that animals other than humans might disrupt
> the nesting. Hopefully, this the start of a breeding population in Tejas!
>
> Keith Arnold
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 21, 2019, at 2:22 PM, David Sarkozi <david...>
> <mailto:<david...>> wrote:
>
>> Brush, "the end of the rock wall" is not where the nest is, but the
>> point where you will see the redstarts. This is a busy site, in the
>> time Justin and I were there close to 20 people passed by. The
>> nesting activity is so obvious that there is little chance of it
>> staying a secret. There have been many reports of where to find these
>> birds, This one tidbit of info will not change how many go see these
>> birds. I guess the only danger is there is some lurking Oologist who
>> will try and collect eggs. Certainly anyone knowing there are two
>> birds present would put two and two together.
>>
>> Birders could all agree not to go and see these birds, but that
>> leaves the 100 plus people passing this spot daily, just hiking, and
>> likely triple that on the memorial day weekend. The presence of
>> ethical birders will do much to ensure these birds don't get harassed
>> by the unwitting passing by.
>>
>> If this is a one off nesting record, is it even all that significant?
>> If its just the first detection of a range expansion then its most
>> likely there are other pairs in the many inaccessible parts of the
>> Chisos. While possible its just not likely the first nesting record
>> is right by one of the busiest trails in the mountains. Even if this
>> nesting attempt fails if there is a real range expansion in progress
>> it will happen, there will be other nests.
>>
>> On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 11:42 AM Brush Freeman
>> <brushfreeman...> <mailto:<brushfreeman...>> wrote:
>>
>> Justin et al:  I am not wanting to lecture  but I would really
>> like a successful breeding record of the species go down in the
>> books in Texas. I know the area you are talking about and would
>> likely find the nest..." The redstarts are right at the end of
>> the wall " .  You guys  honed in on the location pretty good.  I
>> have been present or involved in a number of first state/regional
>> breeding records, 4-5 of them in the Trans Pecos and I know how
>> exciting it can be, and yes all but one of those was on private
>> or restricted property.  While I don't agree with Clay's take on
>> this in part, that is is take and he is welcome to it.
>>    I guess one point I would make, until your post I for one and
>> I would assume most other birders were completely unaware that
>> there was even a female there, much less a pair trying to breed
>> and it seemed per the posts that, that information was being kept
>> under wraps for the bird's well being. Cat is out of the bag now,
>> so just spilt milk.  Oh well.
>>
>> On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 9:04 AM justin.bosler
>> <justin.bosler...> <mailto:<justin.bosler...>> wrote:
>>
>> Hello Jim and Brush,
>>
>> Who posted the exact location of the nest? I certainly
>> didn't. That would mean providing coordinates and detailed
>> description of where on the slope it is.
>>
>> Perhaps I missed something.
>>
>> I am merely informing that there is a nest in progress in the
>> general area where the male has been for a month and the pair
>> within the last week.
>>
>> Take a hike, in Big Bend!
>>
>> Justin Bosler
>> Austin, Texas
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>>
>> -------- Original message --------
>> From: Brush Freeman <brushfreeman...>
>> <mailto:<brushfreeman...>>
>> Date: 5/20/19 7:23 AM (GMT-06:00)
>> To: <jweber...> <mailto:<jweber...>
>> Cc: <texbirds...> <mailto:<texbirds...>
>> Subject: [texbirds] Re: Nesting pair of Slate-throated
>> Redstarts - Please Do Not Disturb
>>
>> I was pretty disappointed to have read this as well
>> especially from experienced borders but can assume excitement
>> just prevailed. Hopefully the birds will succeed regardless.
>>
>> On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 6:33 AM Jim Weber
>> <jweber...> <mailto:<jweber...>> wrote:
>>
>> While we realize this is big news we had hoped people
>> wouldn’t post the exact nest location.  We all want this
>> pair to be successful.  Wouldn’t it be wonderful to have
>> this species establish a population in the high Chisos?
>>
>> People hoping to see them need to stay on the trail and
>> resist the temptation to go over and ‘just take a peek'
>> in the nest.
>>
>> Lynne and I observed the busy female working on the nest
>> with the singing male ’supervising’ on 5/16. David Larson
>> of the BBNP NPS also observed the nest-building a couple
>> hours earlier on 5/16 and took detailed field notes.
>>
>> We took photos and videos which we submitted to TBRC
>> along with the request that the info wouldn’t be posted
>> anywhere.
>>
>> Hopefully, the ten mile round trip hike (and ~1600 ft of
>> elevation gain in the mounting heat) will offer them some
>> protection from the masses.
>>
>> Jim and Lynne Weber
>> Austin, TX
>> <jweber...> <mailto:<jweber...>
>> http://naturewatchaustin.blogspot.com
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/webersaustin/
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Brush Freeman
>> Utley & Cedar Park, Texas
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Brush Freeman
>> Utley & Cedar Park, Texas
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> David Sarkozi
>> Houston, TX
>> (713) 412-4409 twitter ID dsarkozi


 

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Date: 5/22/19 5:16 am
From: Dan Smith <dan...>
Subject: [texbirds] Migrating land birds in Tiger Shark diets
I ran across an interesting bit in one of the science newsletters I get daily. It seems that cross-Gulf migrant songbirds are a regular part of the diet of young tiger sharks, which are known to be very opportunistic foragers. They had been assumed to eat seabirds such as resting gulls or petrels, but an examination of their stomach contents (pumped and released, not killed), revealed that young sharks show up in large numbers in the Gulf during the twice-yearly migration and dine on birds that have simply tired or been forced down by storms.

https://cosmosmagazine.com/biology/tiger-sharks-eat-songbirds <https://cosmosmagazine.com/biology/tiger-sharks-eat-songbirds>

From the article:

"Of the 105 sharks examined, 41 (39%) contained bird remains. The DNA analysis facilitated conclusive identification of 11 species. And what that revealed was weird.
"They included types found in many American backyard, including songbirds such as the house wren (Troglodytes aedon) and eastern kingbird (Tyrannus turannus), and even a species of woodpecker, the yellow-belled sapsucker (Sphyrapicus varius).

"Most of the birds were eaten by tiger sharks in the autumn, although some remains showed up in young sharks during spring. The team examined a large online database of bird sightings known as eBird <https://ebird.org/home> to assess the movements of terrestrial songbirds at these times of year.

"The twice-yearly migration of songbirds across the Gulf of Mexico involves in excess of two billion <https://doi.org/10.1111/gcb.14540> birds each season. The team found that these migration periods coincide with a peak of young sharks in the Gulf.

“ “In every instance, the timing of the tiger shark eating the bird coincided with the peak sighting for that species of bird off our coast,” says Drymon.

"Feldheim adds: “The tiger sharks scavenge on songbirds that have trouble flying over the ocean. During migration, they’re already worn out, and then they get tired or fall into the ocean during a storm.”

"The findings suggest that exhausted songbirds are an easily accessible and seasonally predictable pulse of nutrients for the young sharks. The inclusion of terrestrial birds in their diet is an unusual trophic interaction between land and sea ecosystems, because unlike seabirds and guano <https://doi.org/10.1371/journal.pone.0061284>, the energy exchange is reversed from land to sea."



 

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Date: 5/21/19 4:17 pm
From: Brush Freeman <brushfreeman...>
Subject: [texbirds] Re: Nesting pair of Slate-throated Redstarts - Please Do Not Disturb
Sorry I meant consequences not coincidences...Dumb spell check.....:-)

On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 5:35 PM Brush Freeman <brushfreeman...>
wrote:

> Thanks Justin...I would counter the problem is the dissemination of Texas
> birding information in this digital age...There are way too many
> specialty/regional pages/forums for even the seasoned online birder to keep
> up with ....There are at least 10 forums I can think of just for Texas...It
> is ridiculous and redundant. That's without even knowing of the ones I
> don't know about....So when one dumps what appears to be common knowledge
> of a topic in just one specialty forum into another forum blind-siding the
> readers of that forum, there are always going to be coincidences and
> repercussions especially if the info is dated or very dated.......1...Why
> can't the whole state read the same information be it from NCTX, TXPH,
> LTGA, SETX etc. at one central site? I realize a couple of these sites
> were the product of pettiness. hurt feelings or perhaps even elitism...But
> it is so dumb. It is in the same vein as keeping the locations private of
> rare birds on publicly accessible lands secret. There is no difference
> whatsoever when that information is generated publically on one forum and
> not on another forum in the state be it Facebook or otherwise. ...Then
> there is the good old listserv.
>
> On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 4:32 PM Justin Bosler <justin.bosler...>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Dr. Arnold,
>>
>> I don't think anyone wants to see harm come to these birds or their nest.
>> And yes, there is a nest being constructed among the grasses and leaf
>> litter on the ground. David and I gave them a wide berth on Sunday and
>> couldn't see the actual nest. I always think about the welfare of a bird(s)
>> before reporting them to a public forum. Also, birds are MUCH more
>> resilient than humans give them credit for, but I know that you know that.
>> Hundreds of people drove up to within feet of the breeding pair of
>> Slate-throated Redstarts and their nest in Arizona and they successfully
>> fledged three offspring.
>>
>> My posts to Texbirds aren't meant to be braggadocios. They are solely
>> intended to share information. I'm trying to keep the sharing spirit alive
>> as it has most definitely seen a sharp decline in the last decade. Far more
>> information is kept secret/private (or simply not shared out of laziness?)
>> and much less is shared with the broader community, aside from pretty
>> pictures on facebook. But what about the back story and behavioral and
>> contextual information???
>>
>> Kind regards,
>> Justin Bosler
>> Austin, Texas
>>
>> On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 3:45 PM Keith Arnold <kbarnold2...> wrote:
>>
>>> An interesting thread: as a Texas ornithologist for over 50 years, I
>>> certainly want to see a successful nesting by these birds, and yes, it is
>>> the first KNOWN attempt for Texas, successful or not. I wouldn’t want
>>> anyone to disturb the nest (the nest actually been seen or only an adult
>>> carrying nest materials?), but I would hope that images could be made of an
>>> adult feeding a fledgling, assuming a successful attempt.
>>> Let’s also keep in mind that animals other than humans might disrupt the
>>> nesting. Hopefully, this the start of a breeding population in Tejas!
>>>
>>> Keith Arnold
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On May 21, 2019, at 2:22 PM, David Sarkozi <david...> wrote:
>>>
>>> Brush, "the end of the rock wall" is not where the nest is, but the
>>> point where you will see the redstarts. This is a busy site, in the time
>>> Justin and I were there close to 20 people passed by. The nesting activity
>>> is so obvious that there is little chance of it staying a secret. There
>>> have been many reports of where to find these birds, This one tidbit of
>>> info will not change how many go see these birds. I guess the only danger
>>> is there is some lurking Oologist who will try and collect eggs. Certainly
>>> anyone knowing there are two birds present would put two and two together.
>>>
>>> Birders could all agree not to go and see these birds, but that leaves
>>> the 100 plus people passing this spot daily, just hiking, and likely triple
>>> that on the memorial day weekend. The presence of ethical birders will do
>>> much to ensure these birds don't get harassed by the unwitting passing by.
>>>
>>> If this is a one off nesting record, is it even all that significant? If
>>> its just the first detection of a range expansion then its most likely
>>> there are other pairs in the many inaccessible parts of the Chisos. While
>>> possible its just not likely the first nesting record is right by one of
>>> the busiest trails in the mountains. Even if this nesting attempt fails if
>>> there is a real range expansion in progress it will happen, there will be
>>> other nests.
>>>
>>> On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 11:42 AM Brush Freeman <brushfreeman...>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Justin et al: I am not wanting to lecture but I would really like a
>>>> successful breeding record of the species go down in the books in Texas. I
>>>> know the area you are talking about and would likely find the nest..." The
>>>> redstarts are right at the end of the wall " . You guys honed in on
>>>> the location pretty good. I have been present or involved in a number of
>>>> first state/regional breeding records, 4-5 of them in the Trans Pecos and I
>>>> know how exciting it can be, and yes all but one of those was on private or
>>>> restricted property. While I don't agree with Clay's take on this in part,
>>>> that is is take and he is welcome to it.
>>>> I guess one point I would make, until your post I for one and I
>>>> would assume most other birders were completely unaware that there was even
>>>> a female there, much less a pair trying to breed and it seemed per the
>>>> posts that, that information was being kept under wraps for the bird's well
>>>> being. Cat is out of the bag now, so just spilt milk. Oh well.
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 9:04 AM justin.bosler <justin.bosler...>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hello Jim and Brush,
>>>>>
>>>>> Who posted the exact location of the nest? I certainly didn't. That
>>>>> would mean providing coordinates and detailed description of where on the
>>>>> slope it is.
>>>>>
>>>>> Perhaps I missed something.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am merely informing that there is a nest in progress in the general
>>>>> area where the male has been for a month and the pair within the last week.
>>>>>
>>>>> Take a hike, in Big Bend!
>>>>>
>>>>> Justin Bosler
>>>>> Austin, Texas
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>>>>>
>>>>> -------- Original message --------
>>>>> From: Brush Freeman <brushfreeman...>
>>>>> Date: 5/20/19 7:23 AM (GMT-06:00)
>>>>> To: <jweber...>
>>>>> Cc: <texbirds...>
>>>>> Subject: [texbirds] Re: Nesting pair of Slate-throated Redstarts -
>>>>> Please Do Not Disturb
>>>>>
>>>>> I was pretty disappointed to have read this as well especially from
>>>>> experienced borders but can assume excitement just prevailed. Hopefully the
>>>>> birds will succeed regardless.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 6:33 AM Jim Weber <jweber...>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> While we realize this is big news we had hoped people wouldn’t post
>>>>>> the exact nest location. We all want this pair to be successful. Wouldn’t
>>>>>> it be wonderful to have this species establish a population in the high
>>>>>> Chisos?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> People hoping to see them need to stay on the trail and resist the
>>>>>> temptation to go over and ‘just take a peek' in the nest.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lynne and I observed the busy female working on the nest with the
>>>>>> singing male ’supervising’ on 5/16. David Larson of the BBNP NPS
>>>>>> also observed the nest-building a couple hours earlier on 5/16 and took
>>>>>> detailed field notes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We took photos and videos which we submitted to TBRC along with the
>>>>>> request that the info wouldn’t be posted anywhere.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hopefully, the ten mile round trip hike (and ~1600 ft of elevation
>>>>>> gain in the mounting heat) will offer them some protection from the masses.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jim and Lynne Weber
>>>>>> Austin, TX
>>>>>> <jweber...>
>>>>>> http://naturewatchaustin.blogspot.com
>>>>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/webersaustin/
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>> Brush Freeman
>>>>> <http://www.biospatialsevices.com>
>>>>> Utley & Cedar Park, Texas
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> Brush Freeman
>>>> <http://www.biospatialsevices.com>
>>>> Utley & Cedar Park, Texas
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> David Sarkozi
>>> Houston, TX
>>> (713) 412-4409 twitter ID dsarkozi
>>>
>>>
>
> --
>
> Brush Freeman
> <http://www.biospatialsevices.com>
> Utley & Cedar Park, Texas
>
>
>
>

--

Brush Freeman
<http://www.biospatialsevices.com>
Utley & Cedar Park, Texas

 

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Date: 5/21/19 3:37 pm
From: Brush Freeman <brushfreeman...>
Subject: [texbirds] Re: Nesting pair of Slate-throated Redstarts - Please Do Not Disturb
Thanks Justin...I would counter the problem is the dissemination of Texas
birding information in this digital age...There are way too many
specialty/regional pages/forums for even the seasoned online birder to keep
up with ....There are at least 10 forums I can think of just for Texas...It
is ridiculous and redundant. That's without even knowing of the ones I
don't know about....So when one dumps what appears to be common knowledge
of a topic in just one specialty forum into another forum blind-siding the
readers of that forum, there are always going to be coincidences and
repercussions especially if the info is dated or very dated.......1...Why
can't the whole state read the same information be it from NCTX, TXPH,
LTGA, SETX etc. at one central site? I realize a couple of these sites
were the product of pettiness. hurt feelings or perhaps even elitism...But
it is so dumb. It is in the same vein as keeping the locations private of
rare birds on publicly accessible lands secret. There is no difference
whatsoever when that information is generated publically on one forum and
not on another forum in the state be it Facebook or otherwise. ...Then
there is the good old listserv.

On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 4:32 PM Justin Bosler <justin.bosler...>
wrote:

> Hi Dr. Arnold,
>
> I don't think anyone wants to see harm come to these birds or their nest.
> And yes, there is a nest being constructed among the grasses and leaf
> litter on the ground. David and I gave them a wide berth on Sunday and
> couldn't see the actual nest. I always think about the welfare of a bird(s)
> before reporting them to a public forum. Also, birds are MUCH more
> resilient than humans give them credit for, but I know that you know that.
> Hundreds of people drove up to within feet of the breeding pair of
> Slate-throated Redstarts and their nest in Arizona and they successfully
> fledged three offspring.
>
> My posts to Texbirds aren't meant to be braggadocios. They are solely
> intended to share information. I'm trying to keep the sharing spirit alive
> as it has most definitely seen a sharp decline in the last decade. Far more
> information is kept secret/private (or simply not shared out of laziness?)
> and much less is shared with the broader community, aside from pretty
> pictures on facebook. But what about the back story and behavioral and
> contextual information???
>
> Kind regards,
> Justin Bosler
> Austin, Texas
>
> On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 3:45 PM Keith Arnold <kbarnold2...> wrote:
>
>> An interesting thread: as a Texas ornithologist for over 50 years, I
>> certainly want to see a successful nesting by these birds, and yes, it is
>> the first KNOWN attempt for Texas, successful or not. I wouldn’t want
>> anyone to disturb the nest (the nest actually been seen or only an adult
>> carrying nest materials?), but I would hope that images could be made of an
>> adult feeding a fledgling, assuming a successful attempt.
>> Let’s also keep in mind that animals other than humans might disrupt the
>> nesting. Hopefully, this the start of a breeding population in Tejas!
>>
>> Keith Arnold
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On May 21, 2019, at 2:22 PM, David Sarkozi <david...> wrote:
>>
>> Brush, "the end of the rock wall" is not where the nest is, but the point
>> where you will see the redstarts. This is a busy site, in the time Justin
>> and I were there close to 20 people passed by. The nesting activity is so
>> obvious that there is little chance of it staying a secret. There have been
>> many reports of where to find these birds, This one tidbit of info will not
>> change how many go see these birds. I guess the only danger is there is
>> some lurking Oologist who will try and collect eggs. Certainly anyone
>> knowing there are two birds present would put two and two together.
>>
>> Birders could all agree not to go and see these birds, but that leaves
>> the 100 plus people passing this spot daily, just hiking, and likely triple
>> that on the memorial day weekend. The presence of ethical birders will do
>> much to ensure these birds don't get harassed by the unwitting passing by.
>>
>> If this is a one off nesting record, is it even all that significant? If
>> its just the first detection of a range expansion then its most likely
>> there are other pairs in the many inaccessible parts of the Chisos. While
>> possible its just not likely the first nesting record is right by one of
>> the busiest trails in the mountains. Even if this nesting attempt fails if
>> there is a real range expansion in progress it will happen, there will be
>> other nests.
>>
>> On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 11:42 AM Brush Freeman <brushfreeman...>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Justin et al: I am not wanting to lecture but I would really like a
>>> successful breeding record of the species go down in the books in Texas. I
>>> know the area you are talking about and would likely find the nest..." The
>>> redstarts are right at the end of the wall " . You guys honed in on
>>> the location pretty good. I have been present or involved in a number of
>>> first state/regional breeding records, 4-5 of them in the Trans Pecos and I
>>> know how exciting it can be, and yes all but one of those was on private or
>>> restricted property. While I don't agree with Clay's take on this in part,
>>> that is is take and he is welcome to it.
>>> I guess one point I would make, until your post I for one and I would
>>> assume most other birders were completely unaware that there was even a
>>> female there, much less a pair trying to breed and it seemed per the posts
>>> that, that information was being kept under wraps for the bird's well
>>> being. Cat is out of the bag now, so just spilt milk. Oh well.
>>>
>>> On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 9:04 AM justin.bosler <justin.bosler...>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello Jim and Brush,
>>>>
>>>> Who posted the exact location of the nest? I certainly didn't. That
>>>> would mean providing coordinates and detailed description of where on the
>>>> slope it is.
>>>>
>>>> Perhaps I missed something.
>>>>
>>>> I am merely informing that there is a nest in progress in the general
>>>> area where the male has been for a month and the pair within the last week.
>>>>
>>>> Take a hike, in Big Bend!
>>>>
>>>> Justin Bosler
>>>> Austin, Texas
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>>>>
>>>> -------- Original message --------
>>>> From: Brush Freeman <brushfreeman...>
>>>> Date: 5/20/19 7:23 AM (GMT-06:00)
>>>> To: <jweber...>
>>>> Cc: <texbirds...>
>>>> Subject: [texbirds] Re: Nesting pair of Slate-throated Redstarts -
>>>> Please Do Not Disturb
>>>>
>>>> I was pretty disappointed to have read this as well especially from
>>>> experienced borders but can assume excitement just prevailed. Hopefully the
>>>> birds will succeed regardless.
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 6:33 AM Jim Weber <jweber...> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> While we realize this is big news we had hoped people wouldn’t post
>>>>> the exact nest location. We all want this pair to be successful. Wouldn’t
>>>>> it be wonderful to have this species establish a population in the high
>>>>> Chisos?
>>>>>
>>>>> People hoping to see them need to stay on the trail and resist the
>>>>> temptation to go over and ‘just take a peek' in the nest.
>>>>>
>>>>> Lynne and I observed the busy female working on the nest with the
>>>>> singing male ’supervising’ on 5/16. David Larson of the BBNP NPS
>>>>> also observed the nest-building a couple hours earlier on 5/16 and took
>>>>> detailed field notes.
>>>>>
>>>>> We took photos and videos which we submitted to TBRC along with the
>>>>> request that the info wouldn’t be posted anywhere.
>>>>>
>>>>> Hopefully, the ten mile round trip hike (and ~1600 ft of elevation
>>>>> gain in the mounting heat) will offer them some protection from the masses.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jim and Lynne Weber
>>>>> Austin, TX
>>>>> <jweber...>
>>>>> http://naturewatchaustin.blogspot.com
>>>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/webersaustin/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> Brush Freeman
>>>> <http://www.biospatialsevices.com>
>>>> Utley & Cedar Park, Texas
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Brush Freeman
>>> <http://www.biospatialsevices.com>
>>> Utley & Cedar Park, Texas
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>> David Sarkozi
>> Houston, TX
>> (713) 412-4409 twitter ID dsarkozi
>>
>>

--

Brush Freeman
<http://www.biospatialsevices.com>
Utley & Cedar Park, Texas

 

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Date: 5/21/19 2:32 pm
From: Justin Bosler <justin.bosler...>
Subject: [texbirds] Re: Nesting pair of Slate-throated Redstarts - Please Do Not Disturb
Hi Dr. Arnold,

I don't think anyone wants to see harm come to these birds or their nest.
And yes, there is a nest being constructed among the grasses and leaf
litter on the ground. David and I gave them a wide berth on Sunday and
couldn't see the actual nest. I always think about the welfare of a bird(s)
before reporting them to a public forum. Also, birds are MUCH more
resilient than humans give them credit for, but I know that you know that.
Hundreds of people drove up to within feet of the breeding pair of
Slate-throated Redstarts and their nest in Arizona and they successfully
fledged three offspring.

My posts to Texbirds aren't meant to be braggadocios. They are solely
intended to share information. I'm trying to keep the sharing spirit alive
as it has most definitely seen a sharp decline in the last decade. Far more
information is kept secret/private (or simply not shared out of laziness?)
and much less is shared with the broader community, aside from pretty
pictures on facebook. But what about the back story and behavioral and
contextual information???

Kind regards,
Justin Bosler
Austin, Texas

On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 3:45 PM Keith Arnold <kbarnold2...> wrote:

> An interesting thread: as a Texas ornithologist for over 50 years, I
> certainly want to see a successful nesting by these birds, and yes, it is
> the first KNOWN attempt for Texas, successful or not. I wouldn’t want
> anyone to disturb the nest (the nest actually been seen or only an adult
> carrying nest materials?), but I would hope that images could be made of an
> adult feeding a fledgling, assuming a successful attempt.
> Let’s also keep in mind that animals other than humans might disrupt the
> nesting. Hopefully, this the start of a breeding population in Tejas!
>
> Keith Arnold
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 21, 2019, at 2:22 PM, David Sarkozi <david...> wrote:
>
> Brush, "the end of the rock wall" is not where the nest is, but the point
> where you will see the redstarts. This is a busy site, in the time Justin
> and I were there close to 20 people passed by. The nesting activity is so
> obvious that there is little chance of it staying a secret. There have been
> many reports of where to find these birds, This one tidbit of info will not
> change how many go see these birds. I guess the only danger is there is
> some lurking Oologist who will try and collect eggs. Certainly anyone
> knowing there are two birds present would put two and two together.
>
> Birders could all agree not to go and see these birds, but that leaves the
> 100 plus people passing this spot daily, just hiking, and likely triple
> that on the memorial day weekend. The presence of ethical birders will do
> much to ensure these birds don't get harassed by the unwitting passing by.
>
> If this is a one off nesting record, is it even all that significant? If
> its just the first detection of a range expansion then its most likely
> there are other pairs in the many inaccessible parts of the Chisos. While
> possible its just not likely the first nesting record is right by one of
> the busiest trails in the mountains. Even if this nesting attempt fails if
> there is a real range expansion in progress it will happen, there will be
> other nests.
>
> On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 11:42 AM Brush Freeman <brushfreeman...>
> wrote:
>
>> Justin et al: I am not wanting to lecture but I would really like a
>> successful breeding record of the species go down in the books in Texas. I
>> know the area you are talking about and would likely find the nest..." The
>> redstarts are right at the end of the wall " . You guys honed in on
>> the location pretty good. I have been present or involved in a number of
>> first state/regional breeding records, 4-5 of them in the Trans Pecos and I
>> know how exciting it can be, and yes all but one of those was on private or
>> restricted property. While I don't agree with Clay's take on this in part,
>> that is is take and he is welcome to it.
>> I guess one point I would make, until your post I for one and I would
>> assume most other birders were completely unaware that there was even a
>> female there, much less a pair trying to breed and it seemed per the posts
>> that, that information was being kept under wraps for the bird's well
>> being. Cat is out of the bag now, so just spilt milk. Oh well.
>>
>> On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 9:04 AM justin.bosler <justin.bosler...>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello Jim and Brush,
>>>
>>> Who posted the exact location of the nest? I certainly didn't. That
>>> would mean providing coordinates and detailed description of where on the
>>> slope it is.
>>>
>>> Perhaps I missed something.
>>>
>>> I am merely informing that there is a nest in progress in the general
>>> area where the male has been for a month and the pair within the last week.
>>>
>>> Take a hike, in Big Bend!
>>>
>>> Justin Bosler
>>> Austin, Texas
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>>>
>>> -------- Original message --------
>>> From: Brush Freeman <brushfreeman...>
>>> Date: 5/20/19 7:23 AM (GMT-06:00)
>>> To: <jweber...>
>>> Cc: <texbirds...>
>>> Subject: [texbirds] Re: Nesting pair of Slate-throated Redstarts -
>>> Please Do Not Disturb
>>>
>>> I was pretty disappointed to have read this as well especially from
>>> experienced borders but can assume excitement just prevailed. Hopefully the
>>> birds will succeed regardless.
>>>
>>> On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 6:33 AM Jim Weber <jweber...> wrote:
>>>
>>>> While we realize this is big news we had hoped people wouldn’t post the
>>>> exact nest location. We all want this pair to be successful. Wouldn’t it
>>>> be wonderful to have this species establish a population in the high Chisos?
>>>>
>>>> People hoping to see them need to stay on the trail and resist the
>>>> temptation to go over and ‘just take a peek' in the nest.
>>>>
>>>> Lynne and I observed the busy female working on the nest with the
>>>> singing male ’supervising’ on 5/16. David Larson of the BBNP NPS also
>>>> observed the nest-building a couple hours earlier on 5/16 and took detailed
>>>> field notes.
>>>>
>>>> We took photos and videos which we submitted to TBRC along with the
>>>> request that the info wouldn’t be posted anywhere.
>>>>
>>>> Hopefully, the ten mile round trip hike (and ~1600 ft of elevation gain
>>>> in the mounting heat) will offer them some protection from the masses.
>>>>
>>>> Jim and Lynne Weber
>>>> Austin, TX
>>>> <jweber...>
>>>> http://naturewatchaustin.blogspot.com
>>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/webersaustin/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>
>>> Brush Freeman
>>> <http://www.biospatialsevices.com>
>>> Utley & Cedar Park, Texas
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Brush Freeman
>> <http://www.biospatialsevices.com>
>> Utley & Cedar Park, Texas
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> --
> David Sarkozi
> Houston, TX
> (713) 412-4409 twitter ID dsarkozi
>
>

 

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Date: 5/21/19 1:45 pm
From: Keith Arnold <kbarnold2...>
Subject: [texbirds] Re: Nesting pair of Slate-throated Redstarts - Please Do Not Disturb
An interesting thread: as a Texas ornithologist for over 50 years, I certainly want to see a successful nesting by these birds, and yes, it is the first KNOWN attempt for Texas, successful or not. I wouldn’t want anyone to disturb the nest (the nest actually been seen or only an adult carrying nest materials?), but I would hope that images could be made of an adult feeding a fledgling, assuming a successful attempt.
Let’s also keep in mind that animals other than humans might disrupt the nesting. Hopefully, this the start of a breeding population in Tejas!

Keith Arnold

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 21, 2019, at 2:22 PM, David Sarkozi <david...> wrote:
>
> Brush, "the end of the rock wall" is not where the nest is, but the point where you will see the redstarts. This is a busy site, in the time Justin and I were there close to 20 people passed by. The nesting activity is so obvious that there is little chance of it staying a secret. There have been many reports of where to find these birds, This one tidbit of info will not change how many go see these birds. I guess the only danger is there is some lurking Oologist who will try and collect eggs. Certainly anyone knowing there are two birds present would put two and two together.
>
> Birders could all agree not to go and see these birds, but that leaves the 100 plus people passing this spot daily, just hiking, and likely triple that on the memorial day weekend. The presence of ethical birders will do much to ensure these birds don't get harassed by the unwitting passing by.
>
> If this is a one off nesting record, is it even all that significant? If its just the first detection of a range expansion then its most likely there are other pairs in the many inaccessible parts of the Chisos. While possible its just not likely the first nesting record is right by one of the busiest trails in the mountains. Even if this nesting attempt fails if there is a real range expansion in progress it will happen, there will be other nests.
>
>> On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 11:42 AM Brush Freeman <brushfreeman...> wrote:
>> Justin et al: I am not wanting to lecture but I would really like a successful breeding record of the species go down in the books in Texas. I know the area you are talking about and would likely find the nest..." The redstarts are right at the end of the wall " . You guys honed in on the location pretty good. I have been present or involved in a number of first state/regional breeding records, 4-5 of them in the Trans Pecos and I know how exciting it can be, and yes all but one of those was on private or restricted property. While I don't agree with Clay's take on this in part, that is is take and he is welcome to it.
>> I guess one point I would make, until your post I for one and I would assume most other birders were completely unaware that there was even a female there, much less a pair trying to breed and it seemed per the posts that, that information was being kept under wraps for the bird's well being. Cat is out of the bag now, so just spilt milk. Oh well.
>>
>>> On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 9:04 AM justin.bosler <justin.bosler...> wrote:
>>> Hello Jim and Brush,
>>>
>>> Who posted the exact location of the nest? I certainly didn't. That would mean providing coordinates and detailed description of where on the slope it is.
>>>
>>> Perhaps I missed something.
>>>
>>> I am merely informing that there is a nest in progress in the general area where the male has been for a month and the pair within the last week.
>>>
>>> Take a hike, in Big Bend!
>>>
>>> Justin Bosler
>>> Austin, Texas
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>>>
>>> -------- Original message --------
>>> From: Brush Freeman <brushfreeman...>
>>> Date: 5/20/19 7:23 AM (GMT-06:00)
>>> To: <jweber...>
>>> Cc: <texbirds...>
>>> Subject: [texbirds] Re: Nesting pair of Slate-throated Redstarts - Please Do Not Disturb
>>>
>>> I was pretty disappointed to have read this as well especially from experienced borders but can assume excitement just prevailed. Hopefully the birds will succeed regardless.
>>>
>>>> On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 6:33 AM Jim Weber <jweber...> wrote:
>>>> While we realize this is big news we had hoped people wouldn’t post the exact nest location. We all want this pair to be successful. Wouldn’t it be wonderful to have this species establish a population in the high Chisos?
>>>>
>>>> People hoping to see them need to stay on the trail and resist the temptation to go over and ‘just take a peek' in the nest.
>>>>
>>>> Lynne and I observed the busy female working on the nest with the singing male ’supervising’ on 5/16. David Larson of the BBNP NPS also observed the nest-building a couple hours earlier on 5/16 and took detailed field notes.
>>>>
>>>> We took photos and videos which we submitted to TBRC along with the request that the info wouldn’t be posted anywhere.
>>>>
>>>> Hopefully, the ten mile round trip hike (and ~1600 ft of elevation gain in the mounting heat) will offer them some protection from the masses.
>>>>
>>>> Jim and Lynne Weber
>>>> Austin, TX
>>>> <jweber...>
>>>> http://naturewatchaustin.blogspot.com
>>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/webersaustin/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Brush Freeman
>>> Utley & Cedar Park, Texas
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Brush Freeman
>> Utley & Cedar Park, Texas
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> David Sarkozi
> Houston, TX
> (713) 412-4409 twitter ID dsarkozi

 

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Date: 5/21/19 12:23 pm
From: David Sarkozi <david...>
Subject: [texbirds] Re: Nesting pair of Slate-throated Redstarts - Please Do Not Disturb
Brush, "the end of the rock wall" is not where the nest is, but the point
where you will see the redstarts. This is a busy site, in the time Justin
and I were there close to 20 people passed by. The nesting activity is so
obvious that there is little chance of it staying a secret. There have been
many reports of where to find these birds, This one tidbit of info will not
change how many go see these birds. I guess the only danger is there is
some lurking Oologist who will try and collect eggs. Certainly anyone
knowing there are two birds present would put two and two together.

Birders could all agree not to go and see these birds, but that leaves the
100 plus people passing this spot daily, just hiking, and likely triple
that on the memorial day weekend. The presence of ethical birders will do
much to ensure these birds don't get harassed by the unwitting passing by.

If this is a one off nesting record, is it even all that significant? If
its just the first detection of a range expansion then its most likely
there are other pairs in the many inaccessible parts of the Chisos. While
possible its just not likely the first nesting record is right by one of
the busiest trails in the mountains. Even if this nesting attempt fails if
there is a real range expansion in progress it will happen, there will be
other nests.

On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 11:42 AM Brush Freeman <brushfreeman...>
wrote:

> Justin et al: I am not wanting to lecture but I would really like a
> successful breeding record of the species go down in the books in Texas. I
> know the area you are talking about and would likely find the nest..." The
> redstarts are right at the end of the wall " . You guys honed in on the
> location pretty good. I have been present or involved in a number of first
> state/regional breeding records, 4-5 of them in the Trans Pecos and I know
> how exciting it can be, and yes all but one of those was on private or
> restricted property. While I don't agree with Clay's take on this in part,
> that is is take and he is welcome to it.
> I guess one point I would make, until your post I for one and I would
> assume most other birders were completely unaware that there was even a
> female there, much less a pair trying to breed and it seemed per the posts
> that, that information was being kept under wraps for the bird's well
> being. Cat is out of the bag now, so just spilt milk. Oh well.
>
> On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 9:04 AM justin.bosler <justin.bosler...>
> wrote:
>
>> Hello Jim and Brush,
>>
>> Who posted the exact location of the nest? I certainly didn't. That would
>> mean providing coordinates and detailed description of where on the slope
>> it is.
>>
>> Perhaps I missed something.
>>
>> I am merely informing that there is a nest in progress in the general
>> area where the male has been for a month and the pair within the last week.
>>
>> Take a hike, in Big Bend!
>>
>> Justin Bosler
>> Austin, Texas
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>>
>> -------- Original message --------
>> From: Brush Freeman <brushfreeman...>
>> Date: 5/20/19 7:23 AM (GMT-06:00)
>> To: <jweber...>
>> Cc: <texbirds...>
>> Subject: [texbirds] Re: Nesting pair of Slate-throated Redstarts - Please
>> Do Not Disturb
>>
>> I was pretty disappointed to have read this as well especially from
>> experienced borders but can assume excitement just prevailed. Hopefully the
>> birds will succeed regardless.
>>
>> On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 6:33 AM Jim Weber <jweber...> wrote:
>>
>>> While we realize this is big news we had hoped people wouldn’t post the
>>> exact nest location. We all want this pair to be successful. Wouldn’t it
>>> be wonderful to have this species establish a population in the high Chisos?
>>>
>>> People hoping to see them need to stay on the trail and resist the
>>> temptation to go over and ‘just take a peek' in the nest.
>>>
>>> Lynne and I observed the busy female working on the nest with the
>>> singing male ’supervising’ on 5/16. David Larson of the BBNP NPS also
>>> observed the nest-building a couple hours earlier on 5/16 and took detailed
>>> field notes.
>>>
>>> We took photos and videos which we submitted to TBRC along with the
>>> request that the info wouldn’t be posted anywhere.
>>>
>>> Hopefully, the ten mile round trip hike (and ~1600 ft of elevation gain
>>> in the mounting heat) will offer them some protection from the masses.
>>>
>>> Jim and Lynne Weber
>>> Austin, TX
>>> <jweber...>
>>> http://naturewatchaustin.blogspot.com
>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/webersaustin/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>
>> Brush Freeman
>> <http://www.biospatialsevices.com>
>> Utley & Cedar Park, Texas
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> --
>
> Brush Freeman
> <http://www.biospatialsevices.com>
> Utley & Cedar Park, Texas
>
>
>
>

--
David Sarkozi
Houston, TX
(713) 412-4409 twitter ID dsarkozi

 

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Date: 5/20/19 2:15 pm
From: Susan Schaezler <susan...>
Subject: [texbirds] 5-20-19 Warblers, Black-billed @ Warbler Woods Bird Sanctuary
5-20-19 Warblers, Black-billed @ Warbler Woods Bird Sanctuary

Today, we had good numbers of American Redstart, along with Magnolia Warbler, Nashville Warbler and Black-throated-green Warbler at the Warbler Pond and some on the property.

We had the Black-billed Cuckoo, by Tom Schultz—if you follow the blue link down next to my Warblerwoods.org line, it will take you to Tom’s checklist also and the bird is pictured perfectly there!

I went in at noon, although the birds were still coming in—had to go somewhere.

Susan Schaezler
WarblerWoods.org, http://ebird.org/ebird/hotspot/L213585?yr=cur
501(c)(3) Cibolo/Schertz/Guadalupe County
Lone Star Land Steward Winner 2011. GCBO Site Partner
Life member TOS, SAAS, TAS
 

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Date: 5/20/19 11:51 am
From: Brush Freeman <brushfreeman...>
Subject: [texbirds] Re: Nesting pair of Slate-throated Redstarts - Please Do Not Disturb
Yes, I/we did. Some were found by others we were with at the time or
shortly after, some we had suspected and sought for for the needed
documentation for an accepted state record.....A few that come to mind as
firsts are Dusky Flycatcher (Ro Wauer), Greater Pewee (Kelly Bryan),
MacGillivray's Warbler (Kelly Bryan), Dusky-capped Flycatcher (P. Hockey
and myself), Glossy Ibis (P. Hockey and myself) and a few others I likely
am forgetting maybe... ..A number of those folks will hopefully read and
correct if I am off.... I admit to being fortunate in this regard.

On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 1:29 PM Brad Wood <woodb20...> wrote:

> Brush Freeman: "I have been present or involved in a number of first
> state/regional breeding records, 4-5 of them in the Trans Pecos and I know
> how exciting it can be, and yes all but one of those was on private or
> restricted property." Did you discover all of these by yourself or did you
> "chase" after someone shared the location with you? Or are you the official
> documentarian that has to shoulder the burden of getting to confirm the
> existence of breeding in person? Regardless, I hope you did not share the
> information with a single individual at the time. Why would "listers" need
> to come on the scene after the documentation event? Kudos to you if all
> were self-found and you kept them a secret until the birds departed the
> nest.
>
> On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 1:09 PM Brush Freeman <brushfreeman...>
> wrote:
>
>> Well, I guess one is either of the the lister/chaser mindset or the
>> conservation/the bird's best interest mindset...Since this is a potential
>> first state record,it is also a very fragile situation in which that can
>> easily be lost. ABA has a code of ethics on such ......Ok, I am done with
>> the thing.
>>
>> On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 1:01 PM Brad Wood <woodb20...> wrote:
>>
>>> The purpose of having a birding community is to share information with
>>> each other so that we can all enjoy special things. I don't understand why
>>> those who like to keep secrets and special experiences for themselves would
>>> even belong to a listserv. Sure, there is a small risk that a very
>>> unethical person will try to get a photograph of the nest or use playback
>>> (though this latter risk is actually reduced by giving better details on
>>> how to see the birds). If we notice such unethical behavior, it is our
>>> responsibility to take action. But every type of community has to deal with
>>> rotten eggs from time to time. Having a robust and open community is worth
>>> the occasional jackass.
>>>
>>> On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 11:50 AM Jeannette Piecznski <
>>> <acourtresearch...> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I even know about this so i'm sure it's not a surprise to anyone that
>>>> is really active, which I cant be lately due to work. I'm thrilled with the
>>>> find, it is really out there and not convenient for a lot of people to run
>>>> out there to see it. For those who do have time for the 14+ hr 1 way drive
>>>> it would be nice that they would get to see it. Just mentioning an
>>>> alternate opinion.
>>>>
>>>> Have fun birding!
>>>>
>>>> Jeannette piecznski
>>>> Pearland, Tx
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, May 20, 2019, 11:42 AM Brush Freeman <brushfreeman...>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Justin et al: I am not wanting to lecture but I would really like a
>>>>> successful breeding record of the species go down in the books in Texas. I
>>>>> know the area you are talking about and would likely find the nest..." The
>>>>> redstarts are right at the end of the wall " . You guys honed in on
>>>>> the location pretty good. I have been present or involved in a number of
>>>>> first state/regional breeding records, 4-5 of them in the Trans Pecos and I
>>>>> know how exciting it can be, and yes all but one of those was on private or
>>>>> restricted property. While I don't agree with Clay's take on this in part,
>>>>> that is is take and he is welcome to it.
>>>>> I guess one point I would make, until your post I for one and I
>>>>> would assume most other birders were completely unaware that there was even
>>>>> a female there, much less a pair trying to breed and it seemed per the
>>>>> posts that, that information was being kept under wraps for the bird's well
>>>>> being. Cat is out of the bag now, so just spilt milk. Oh well.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 9:04 AM justin.bosler <justin.bosler...>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello Jim and Brush,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Who posted the exact location of the nest? I certainly didn't. That
>>>>>> would mean providing coordinates and detailed description of where on the
>>>>>> slope it is.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Perhaps I missed something.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am merely informing that there is a nest in progress in the general
>>>>>> area where the male has been for a month and the pair within the last week.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Take a hike, in Big Bend!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Justin Bosler
>>>>>> Austin, Texas
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -------- Original message --------
>>>>>> From: Brush Freeman <brushfreeman...>
>>>>>> Date: 5/20/19 7:23 AM (GMT-06:00)
>>>>>> To: <jweber...>
>>>>>> Cc: <texbirds...>
>>>>>> Subject: [texbirds] Re: Nesting pair of Slate-throated Redstarts -
>>>>>> Please Do Not Disturb
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I was pretty disappointed to have read this as well especially from
>>>>>> experienced borders but can assume excitement just prevailed. Hopefully the
>>>>>> birds will succeed regardless.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 6:33 AM Jim Weber <jweber...>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> While we realize this is big news we had hoped people wouldn’t post
>>>>>>> the exact nest location. We all want this pair to be successful. Wouldn’t
>>>>>>> it be wonderful to have this species establish a population in the high
>>>>>>> Chisos?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> People hoping to see them need to stay on the trail and resist the
>>>>>>> temptation to go over and ‘just take a peek' in the nest.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Lynne and I observed the busy female working on the nest with the
>>>>>>> singing male ’supervising’ on 5/16. David Larson of the BBNP NPS
>>>>>>> also observed the nest-building a couple hours earlier on 5/16 and took
>>>>>>> detailed field notes.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We took photos and videos which we submitted to TBRC along with the
>>>>>>> request that the info wouldn’t be posted anywhere.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hopefully, the ten mile round trip hike (and ~1600 ft of elevation
>>>>>>> gain in the mounting heat) will offer them some protection from the masses.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jim and Lynne Weber
>>>>>>> Austin, TX
>>>>>>> <jweber...>
>>>>>>> http://naturewatchaustin.blogspot.com
>>>>>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/webersaustin/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Brush Freeman
>>>>>> <http://www.biospatialsevices.com>
>>>>>> Utley & Cedar Park, Texas
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>> Brush Freeman
>>>>> <http://www.biospatialsevices.com>
>>>>> Utley & Cedar Park, Texas
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Brush Freeman
>> <http://www.biospatialsevices.com>
>> Utley & Cedar Park, Texas
>>
>>
>>
>>

--

Brush Freeman
<http://www.biospatialsevices.com>
Utley & Cedar Park, Texas

 

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Date: 5/20/19 11:10 am
From: Brush Freeman <brushfreeman...>
Subject: [texbirds] Re: Nesting pair of Slate-throated Redstarts - Please Do Not Disturb
Well, I guess one is either of the the lister/chaser mindset or the
conservation/the bird's best interest mindset...Since this is a potential
first state record,it is also a very fragile situation in which that can
easily be lost. ABA has a code of ethics on such ......Ok, I am done with
the thing.

On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 1:01 PM Brad Wood <woodb20...> wrote:

> The purpose of having a birding community is to share information with
> each other so that we can all enjoy special things. I don't understand why
> those who like to keep secrets and special experiences for themselves would
> even belong to a listserv. Sure, there is a small risk that a very
> unethical person will try to get a photograph of the nest or use playback
> (though this latter risk is actually reduced by giving better details on
> how to see the birds). If we notice such unethical behavior, it is our
> responsibility to take action. But every type of community has to deal with
> rotten eggs from time to time. Having a robust and open community is worth
> the occasional jackass.
>
> On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 11:50 AM Jeannette Piecznski <
> <acourtresearch...> wrote:
>
>> I even know about this so i'm sure it's not a surprise to anyone that is
>> really active, which I cant be lately due to work. I'm thrilled with the
>> find, it is really out there and not convenient for a lot of people to run
>> out there to see it. For those who do have time for the 14+ hr 1 way drive
>> it would be nice that they would get to see it. Just mentioning an
>> alternate opinion.
>>
>> Have fun birding!
>>
>> Jeannette piecznski
>> Pearland, Tx
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, May 20, 2019, 11:42 AM Brush Freeman <brushfreeman...>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Justin et al: I am not wanting to lecture but I would really like a
>>> successful breeding record of the species go down in the books in Texas. I
>>> know the area you are talking about and would likely find the nest..." The
>>> redstarts are right at the end of the wall " . You guys honed in on
>>> the location pretty good. I have been present or involved in a number of
>>> first state/regional breeding records, 4-5 of them in the Trans Pecos and I
>>> know how exciting it can be, and yes all but one of those was on private or
>>> restricted property. While I don't agree with Clay's take on this in part,
>>> that is is take and he is welcome to it.
>>> I guess one point I would make, until your post I for one and I would
>>> assume most other birders were completely unaware that there was even a
>>> female there, much less a pair trying to breed and it seemed per the posts
>>> that, that information was being kept under wraps for the bird's well
>>> being. Cat is out of the bag now, so just spilt milk. Oh well.
>>>
>>> On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 9:04 AM justin.bosler <justin.bosler...>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello Jim and Brush,
>>>>
>>>> Who posted the exact location of the nest? I certainly didn't. That
>>>> would mean providing coordinates and detailed description of where on the
>>>> slope it is.
>>>>
>>>> Perhaps I missed something.
>>>>
>>>> I am merely informing that there is a nest in progress in the general
>>>> area where the male has been for a month and the pair within the last week.
>>>>
>>>> Take a hike, in Big Bend!
>>>>
>>>> Justin Bosler
>>>> Austin, Texas
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>>>>
>>>> -------- Original message --------
>>>> From: Brush Freeman <brushfreeman...>
>>>> Date: 5/20/19 7:23 AM (GMT-06:00)
>>>> To: <jweber...>
>>>> Cc: <texbirds...>
>>>> Subject: [texbirds] Re: Nesting pair of Slate-throated Redstarts -
>>>> Please Do Not Disturb
>>>>
>>>> I was pretty disappointed to have read this as well especially from
>>>> experienced borders but can assume excitement just prevailed. Hopefully the
>>>> birds will succeed regardless.
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 6:33 AM Jim Weber <jweber...> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> While we realize this is big news we had hoped people wouldn’t post
>>>>> the exact nest location. We all want this pair to be successful. Wouldn’t
>>>>> it be wonderful to have this species establish a population in the high
>>>>> Chisos?
>>>>>
>>>>> People hoping to see them need to stay on the trail and resist the
>>>>> temptation to go over and ‘just take a peek' in the nest.
>>>>>
>>>>> Lynne and I observed the busy female working on the nest with the
>>>>> singing male ’supervising’ on 5/16. David Larson of the BBNP NPS
>>>>> also observed the nest-building a couple hours earlier on 5/16 and took
>>>>> detailed field notes.
>>>>>
>>>>> We took photos and videos which we submitted to TBRC along with the
>>>>> request that the info wouldn’t be posted anywhere.
>>>>>
>>>>> Hopefully, the ten mile round trip hike (and ~1600 ft of elevation
>>>>> gain in the mounting heat) will offer them some protection from the masses.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jim and Lynne Weber
>>>>> Austin, TX
>>>>> <jweber...>
>>>>> http://naturewatchaustin.blogspot.com
>>>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/webersaustin/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> Brush Freeman
>>>> <http://www.biospatialsevices.com>
>>>> Utley & Cedar Park, Texas
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Brush Freeman
>>> <http://www.biospatialsevices.com>
>>> Utley & Cedar Park, Texas
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>

--

Brush Freeman
<http://www.biospatialsevices.com>
Utley & Cedar Park, Texas

 

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Date: 5/20/19 9:50 am
From: Jeannette Piecznski <acourtresearch...>
Subject: [texbirds] Re: Nesting pair of Slate-throated Redstarts - Please Do Not Disturb
I even know about this so i'm sure it's not a surprise to anyone that is
really active, which I cant be lately due to work. I'm thrilled with the
find, it is really out there and not convenient for a lot of people to run
out there to see it. For those who do have time for the 14+ hr 1 way drive
it would be nice that they would get to see it. Just mentioning an
alternate opinion.

Have fun birding!

Jeannette piecznski
Pearland, Tx



On Mon, May 20, 2019, 11:42 AM Brush Freeman <brushfreeman...> wrote:

> Justin et al: I am not wanting to lecture but I would really like a
> successful breeding record of the species go down in the books in Texas. I
> know the area you are talking about and would likely find the nest..." The
> redstarts are right at the end of the wall " . You guys honed in on the
> location pretty good. I have been present or involved in a number of first
> state/regional breeding records, 4-5 of them in the Trans Pecos and I know
> how exciting it can be, and yes all but one of those was on private or
> restricted property. While I don't agree with Clay's take on this in part,
> that is is take and he is welcome to it.
> I guess one point I would make, until your post I for one and I would
> assume most other birders were completely unaware that there was even a
> female there, much less a pair trying to breed and it seemed per the posts
> that, that information was being kept under wraps for the bird's well
> being. Cat is out of the bag now, so just spilt milk. Oh well.
>
> On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 9:04 AM justin.bosler <justin.bosler...>
> wrote:
>
>> Hello Jim and Brush,
>>
>> Who posted the exact location of the nest? I certainly didn't. That would
>> mean providing coordinates and detailed description of where on the slope
>> it is.
>>
>> Perhaps I missed something.
>>
>> I am merely informing that there is a nest in progress in the general
>> area where the male has been for a month and the pair within the last week.
>>
>> Take a hike, in Big Bend!
>>
>> Justin Bosler
>> Austin, Texas
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>>
>> -------- Original message --------
>> From: Brush Freeman <brushfreeman...>
>> Date: 5/20/19 7:23 AM (GMT-06:00)
>> To: <jweber...>
>> Cc: <texbirds...>
>> Subject: [texbirds] Re: Nesting pair of Slate-throated Redstarts - Please
>> Do Not Disturb
>>
>> I was pretty disappointed to have read this as well especially from
>> experienced borders but can assume excitement just prevailed. Hopefully the
>> birds will succeed regardless.
>>
>> On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 6:33 AM Jim Weber <jweber...> wrote:
>>
>>> While we realize this is big news we had hoped people wouldn’t post the
>>> exact nest location. We all want this pair to be successful. Wouldn’t it
>>> be wonderful to have this species establish a population in the high Chisos?
>>>
>>> People hoping to see them need to stay on the trail and resist the
>>> temptation to go over and ‘just take a peek' in the nest.
>>>
>>> Lynne and I observed the busy female working on the nest with the
>>> singing male ’supervising’ on 5/16. David Larson of the BBNP NPS also
>>> observed the nest-building a couple hours earlier on 5/16 and took detailed
>>> field notes.
>>>
>>> We took photos and videos which we submitted to TBRC along with the
>>> request that the info wouldn’t be posted anywhere.
>>>
>>> Hopefully, the ten mile round trip hike (and ~1600 ft of elevation gain
>>> in the mounting heat) will offer them some protection from the masses.
>>>
>>> Jim and Lynne Weber
>>> Austin, TX
>>> <jweber...>
>>> http://naturewatchaustin.blogspot.com
>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/webersaustin/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>
>> Brush Freeman
>> <http://www.biospatialsevices.com>
>> Utley & Cedar Park, Texas
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> --
>
> Brush Freeman
> <http://www.biospatialsevices.com>
> Utley & Cedar Park, Texas
>
>
>
>

 

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Date: 5/20/19 9:46 am
From: Brush Freeman <brushfreeman...>
Subject: [texbirds] Re: Western Wood-Pewee in Palo Duro Canyon
Thanks Barrett, Mark, Tony and all: Good info. I guess I was not
expecting a Western Wood-Pewee in the park, especially such a vocal one so
it made me curious. Palo Duro Canyon is a part of the state I had never
been to in the spring or summer before. It is always cold when I am there
:-)

On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 9:53 AM Barrett Pierce <bpierce...> wrote:

> Brush,
>
>
>
> In looking back at my records, I have recorded Western Wood-Pewee
> sightings in the Panhandle from spring throughout the summers. On July 21,
> 2003 one was at and around a nest at Lake Meredith. It was silent and I
> could not see into the nest nor did I hear or see any young. It was chasing
> other birds from the nest area. I think I was with ED Kutac but I did not
> make a note of it at the time.
>
>
>
> On August 4, 2007, also at Lake Meredith-Chimney Hollow, I recorded
> another that I deemed to be a juvenile with orange at the base of the
> lower mandible. It was also silent.
>
>
>
> My Wood-Pewee identification skills are very poor. In fact I record them
> as westerns unless I hear them calling. Nearly all of the Panhandle
> Wood-Pewees that I hear have been easterns. I have heard easterns in May,
> August and September-supposedly during migration.
>
>
>
> On May 15, 2016 at Buffalo Lake NWR one of a pair of Western Wood-Pewees
> was calling. This was the first and only time that I have heard an western
> singing in the Panhandle. I played a western tape and it really agitated
> the male.
>
>
>
> I have been trying to separate the two pewees via photographs but so far I
> have not figured out how to do so. Suggestions?
>
>
>
>
>
> Barrett Pierce
>
> Amarillo TX
>
>
>
>
>
> Brush: Please repost to Texbirds if this does not get through.
>
>
>
> *From:* <texbirds-bounce...> [mailto:
> <texbirds-bounce...>] *On Behalf Of *Brush Freeman
> *Sent:* Friday, May 17, 2019 9:21 PM
> *To:* <texbirds...>
> *Subject:* [texbirds] Western Wood-Pewee in Palo Duro Canyon
>
>
>
> Has breeding been confirmed for there? We had a singing bird on the
> 15th. There are numerous summer records per TOS Handbook (2014) but no
> documented confirmation as of publication
>
>
>
> --
>
>
>
> Brush Freeman
>
> Utley & Cedar Park, Texas
>
>
>
>
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--

Brush Freeman
<http://www.biospatialsevices.com>
Utley & Cedar Park, Texas

 

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Date: 5/20/19 9:43 am
From: Brush Freeman <brushfreeman...>
Subject: [texbirds] Re: Nesting pair of Slate-throated Redstarts - Please Do Not Disturb
Justin et al: I am not wanting to lecture but I would really like a
successful breeding record of the species go down in the books in Texas. I
know the area you are talking about and would likely find the nest..." The
redstarts are right at the end of the wall " . You guys honed in on the
location pretty good. I have been present or involved in a number of first
state/regional breeding records, 4-5 of them in the Trans Pecos and I know
how exciting it can be, and yes all but one of those was on private or
restricted property. While I don't agree with Clay's take on this in part,
that is is take and he is welcome to it.
I guess one point I would make, until your post I for one and I would
assume most other birders were completely unaware that there was even a
female there, much less a pair trying to breed and it seemed per the posts
that, that information was being kept under wraps for the bird's well
being. Cat is out of the bag now, so just spilt milk. Oh well.

On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 9:04 AM justin.bosler <justin.bosler...>
wrote:

> Hello Jim and Brush,
>
> Who posted the exact location of the nest? I certainly didn't. That would
> mean providing coordinates and detailed description of where on the slope
> it is.
>
> Perhaps I missed something.
>
> I am merely informing that there is a nest in progress in the general area
> where the male has been for a month and the pair within the last week.
>
> Take a hike, in Big Bend!
>
> Justin Bosler
> Austin, Texas
>
>
>
> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Brush Freeman <brushfreeman...>
> Date: 5/20/19 7:23 AM (GMT-06:00)
> To: <jweber...>
> Cc: <texbirds...>
> Subject: [texbirds] Re: Nesting pair of Slate-throated Redstarts - Please
> Do Not Disturb
>
> I was pretty disappointed to have read this as well especially from
> experienced borders but can assume excitement just prevailed. Hopefully the
> birds will succeed regardless.
>
> On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 6:33 AM Jim Weber <jweber...> wrote:
>
>> While we realize this is big news we had hoped people wouldn’t post the
>> exact nest location. We all want this pair to be successful. Wouldn’t it
>> be wonderful to have this species establish a population in the high Chisos?
>>
>> People hoping to see them need to stay on the trail and resist the
>> temptation to go over and ‘just take a peek' in the nest.
>>
>> Lynne and I observed the busy female working on the nest with the singing
>> male ’supervising’ on 5/16. David Larson of the BBNP NPS also observed
>> the nest-building a couple hours earlier on 5/16 and took detailed field
>> notes.
>>
>> We took photos and videos which we submitted to TBRC along with the
>> request that the info wouldn’t be posted anywhere.
>>
>> Hopefully, the ten mile round trip hike (and ~1600 ft of elevation gain
>> in the mounting heat) will offer them some protection from the masses.
>>
>> Jim and Lynne Weber
>> Austin, TX
>> <jweber...>
>> http://naturewatchaustin.blogspot.com
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/webersaustin/
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>
> Brush Freeman
> <http://www.biospatialsevices.com>
> Utley & Cedar Park, Texas
>
>
>
>

--

Brush Freeman
<http://www.biospatialsevices.com>
Utley & Cedar Park, Texas

 

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Date: 5/20/19 8:27 am
From: Kleb Woods (Commissioner Pct. 3) <klebwoods...>
Subject: [texbirds] More Participants Needed for the Red-vented Bulbul Survey in Houston - June 1
The Red-vented Bulbul survey is now less than 2 weeks away. In order to cover all of the routes we did last year, we need at least a few more participants. The details are below for anyone who is interested:

In conjunction with the Houston Audubon Society's Citizen Science Committee, Fred Collins, Kendra Kocab, and Megan Ahlgren are organizing the 4th Annual Red-vented Bulbul Census, and we would like your help. The census will take place on Saturday, June 1, from 7:00 AM to 9:00 AM in the Heights and surrounding area. Last year's survey found 75 bulbuls. The birds should be actively nesting and feeding young at this time of year, making them easier to detect. We will cover the area via transects. Each person/pair will cover approximately 2 miles on foot. We would like to have people bird in pairs so as not to cause distress among people living in the Heights when strangers with binoculars start peering into their yards on a Saturday morning.

One goal is to get an idea of the size of the population by recording as many bulbuls as possible at one time. We would also like to check some gaps in the area where no bulbuls have been reported on eBird. We hope to expand the survey to other areas of the city if we get additional observers.

If you are interested in participating in the census, please let us know as soon as possible so we can determine how many transects we can cover and if we have enough participants to expand the survey area. Tell us if you already have someone to pair up with. We are looking for people who can identify bulbuls by sight and/or sound and who can be cautious and respectful while birding in a neighborhood. If there are other people who meet these requirements, please let us know so we may contact them as well.

After 9:00 AM, we will meet at BB's Caf, 701 White Oak Dr. Houston 77008 to do a countdown. We will contact all of those interested in participating soon with information on which transects they will be birding, how to conduct the survey, and where we will meet after.

Thanks,

Kendra Kocab, Naturalist
Kleb Woods Nature Center
281-357-5324

Harris County Precinct 3
Steve Radack Commissioner
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Date: 5/20/19 8:26 am
From: Susan Schaezler <susan...>
Subject: [texbirds] 5-20-19 BLACK-BILLED CUCKOO w/photos @ Warbler Woods Bird Sanctuary
5-20-19 BLACK-BILLED CUCKOO w/photos @ Warbler Woods Bird Sanctuary

Visitors from Costa Rica had Black-billed Cuckoo with amazing pictures—will get a picture when they get home or screenshot if they have time at the airport. This is the location that Sam had one years ago and Victor was here and authenticated the photo. So excited—i think we have 4 warbler species right now. All this at Warbler Woods Bird Sanctuary, of course!

Susan Schaezler
WarblerWoods.org, http://ebird.org/ebird/hotspot/L213585?yr=cur
501(c)(3) Cibolo/Schertz/Guadalupe County
Lone Star Land Steward Winner 2011. GCBO Site Partner
Life member TOS, SAAS, TAS
 

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Date: 5/20/19 8:25 am
From: Mark Lockwood <mwlockwood402...>
Subject: [texbirds] Re: Western Wood-Pewee in Palo Duro Canyon
There is no way to reliably identify wood-pewees from photos, so Barrett
you are not alone in that regard. Western Wood-Pewees have a protracted
spring migration because late migrants are not going far. For the same
reason fall migrants start arriving in late summer. Spring migrants can be
encountered into the first few days in June and post-breeding birds
(migrants or wanderers) arrive as early as late July. Non-breeding birds
have been known to linger through June. This makes determining nesting
difficult as Barrett clearly described.

Mark Lockwood

Alpine, Texas

 

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Date: 5/20/19 7:54 am
From: Barrett Pierce <bpierce...>
Subject: [texbirds] Re: Western Wood-Pewee in Palo Duro Canyon
Brush,



In looking back at my records, I have recorded Western Wood-Pewee sightings in the Panhandle from spring throughout the summers. On July 21, 2003 one was at and around a nest at Lake Meredith. It was silent and I could not see into the nest nor did I hear or see any young. It was chasing other birds from the nest area. I think I was with ED Kutac but I did not make a note of it at the time.



On August 4, 2007, also at Lake Meredith-Chimney Hollow, I recorded another that I deemed to be a juvenile with orange at the base of the lower mandible. It was also silent.



My Wood-Pewee identification skills are very poor. In fact I record them as westerns unless I hear them calling. Nearly all of the Panhandle Wood-Pewees that I hear have been easterns. I have heard easterns in May, August and September-supposedly during migration.



On May 15, 2016 at Buffalo Lake NWR one of a pair of Western Wood-Pewees was calling. This was the first and only time that I have heard an western singing in the Panhandle. I played a western tape and it really agitated the male.



I have been trying to separate the two pewees via photographs but so far I have not figured out how to do so. Suggestions?





Barrett Pierce

Amarillo TX





Brush: Please repost to Texbirds if this does not get through.



From: <texbirds-bounce...> [mailto:<texbirds-bounce...>] On Behalf Of Brush Freeman
Sent: Friday, May 17, 2019 9:21 PM
To: <texbirds...>
Subject: [texbirds] Western Wood-Pewee in Palo Duro Canyon



Has breeding been confirmed for there? We had a singing bird on the 15th. There are numerous summer records per TOS Handbook (2014) but no documented confirmation as of publication




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Utley & Cedar Park, Texas






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Date: 5/20/19 7:23 am
From: justin.bosler <justin.bosler...>
Subject: [texbirds] Re: Nesting pair of Slate-throated Redstarts - Please Do Not Disturb
Jim and Texbirds,I wholeheartedly agree that I should have added a note about not trying to encroach on the nest in an attempt to document it. To be clear, David and I kept our distance and stayed on the trail. The vast majority of birders are decent, respectful people and I trust them with whatever limited information I freely provide. I appreciate your response. Now everyone will be on the same page regarding the nest being fully documented, with no need to approach for that purpose.Thank you!Justin Bosler Austin, Texas Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
-------- Original message --------From: Jim Weber <jweber...> Date: 5/20/19 6:30 AM (GMT-06:00) To: <texbirds...> Subject: [texbirds] Nesting pair of Slate-throated Redstarts - Please Do Not Disturb While we realize this is big news we had hoped people wouldn’t post the exact nest location.  We all want this pair to be successful.  Wouldn’t it be wonderful to have this species establish a population in the high Chisos?People hoping to see them need to stay on the trail and resist the temptation to go over and ‘just take a peek' in the nest.
Lynne and I observed the busy female working on the nest with the singing male ’supervising’ on 5/16.  David Larson of the BBNP NPS also observed the nest-building a couple hours earlier on 5/16 and took detailed field notes.  We took photos and videos which we submitted to TBRC along with the request that the info wouldn’t be posted anywhere.  Hopefully, the ten mile round trip hike (and ~1600 ft of elevation gain in the mounting heat) will offer them some protection from the masses.Jim and Lynne WeberAustin, <TXjweber...>://naturewatchaustin.blogspot.comhttp://www.flickr.com/photos/webersaustin/


 

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Date: 5/20/19 7:18 am
From: Clay Taylor <Clay.Taylor...>
Subject: [texbirds] Re: Nesting pair of Slate-throated Redstarts - Please Do Not Disturb
That is one way to do it, but word of the “real” reason would get out anyway, and at that point you have lost credibility and people would likely ignore the closure.

Years ago at a seashore park I worked for, we tried in vain to keep people from walking on the dunes. Nothing worked until we posted signs “Poison Ivy in Dunes – do not cross”. Yes, there actually was poison ivy growing there, and it did work to keep people out. However, it also led some people to request that we eradicate the poison ivy. Sometimes you have to take your victories where you can get them.

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Cranston, RI 02920
Cell 401-965-9064
Tel. 800-426-3089 x2959
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From: <texbirds-bounce...> [mailto:<texbirds-bounce...>] On Behalf Of sdyost
Sent: Monday, May 20, 2019 9:08 AM
To: Clay Taylor <Clay.Taylor...>
Cc: <jweber...>; <texbirds...>
Subject: [texbirds] Re: Nesting pair of Slate-throated Redstarts - Please Do Not Disturb

perhaps if they used warning language as such that the area has physical danger to humans [rock slide, erosion etc.] instead of warning about a protected nesting species would keep humans out.
Sue YOST
Denton Co.



‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
On Monday, May 20, 2019 8:17 AM, Clay Taylor <Clay.Taylor...><mailto:<Clay.Taylor...>> wrote:


Hi all –



Outstanding news about the Slate-throated Redstarts – a very cool development. Keeping such a development “secret” is a double-edged sword – I have seen this play out many times over the years.



If the nest site were in a truly remote location that saw little or no human visitation, then keeping the location a secret will probably work.



However, that area plays host to dozens (hundreds?) of people every day in the spring – hikers, campers, birders, etc. If the nest location were to be kept secret, what are the odds that a non-birder wandering off-trail (amateur botanist, entomologist, herper, or someone simply smitten with sending images to iNaturalist) disturbs these birds? I would think that over a three-week period, it is pretty likely. (We can argue what constitutes “a disturbance” as a side-issue)



Simply closing the area will only aggravate people (birders, hikers, etc.) that might then be tempted to sneak in and thus do exactly what we do NOT want to happen.



Given that it sounds like the pair are operating pretty close to the trail, I would advocate that some sort of markers / warning tapes be strung in the area around the nest at a sufficient distance to keep inadvertent human disturbance away. If the birds choose to fly out of their protected zone to forage, then the eager masses of birders clustered at the boundary are rewarded.



I do not know if the National Park has the resources, or can get volunteers, to have a person on the trail during the day that can educate the hikers / campers as to why the area is cordoned off, help the birders locate the birds, AND keep watch for those people that want to believe that the restrictions are “for the other guys, not us”. Sadly, there are a LOT of birders that feel so empowered.



While I would certainly like to see these birds myself, I will probably have to wait for then to (hopefully) return next year. If we do it right, maybe I will see them in 2020.



Good birding,



Clay Taylor

TOS Life Member

Corpus Christi (Calallen) TX

<Clay.taylor...><mailto:<Clay.taylor...>

401-965-9064



From: <texbirds-bounce...><mailto:<texbirds-bounce...> [mailto:<texbirds-bounce...>] On Behalf Of Jim Weber
Sent: Monday, May 20, 2019 6:30 AM
To: <texbirds...><mailto:<texbirds...>
Subject: [texbirds] Nesting pair of Slate-throated Redstarts - Please Do Not Disturb



While we realize this is big news we had hoped people wouldn’t post the exact nest location. We all want this pair to be successful. Wouldn’t it be wonderful to have this species establish a population in the high Chisos?



People hoping to see them need to stay on the trail and resist the temptation to go over and ‘just take a peek' in the nest.



Lynne and I observed the busy female working on the nest with the singing male ’supervising’ on 5/16. David Larson of the BBNP NPS also observed the nest-building a couple hours earlier on 5/16 and took detailed field notes.



We took photos and videos which we submitted to TBRC along with the request that the info wouldn’t be posted anywhere.



Hopefully, the ten mile round trip hike (and ~1600 ft of elevation gain in the mounting heat) will offer them some protection from the masses.



Jim and Lynne Weber
Austin, TX
<jweber...><mailto:<jweber...>

http://naturewatchaustin.blogspot.com

http://www.flickr.com/photos/webersaustin/



 

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Date: 5/20/19 7:08 am
From: sdyost <dmarc-noreply...> (Redacted sender sdyost for DMARC)
Subject: [texbirds] Re: Nesting pair of Slate-throated Redstarts - Please Do Not Disturb
perhaps if they used warning language as such that the area has physical danger to humans [rock slide, erosion etc.] instead of warning about a protected nesting species would keep humans out.
Sue YOST
Denton Co.

‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
On Monday, May 20, 2019 8:17 AM, Clay Taylor <Clay.Taylor...> wrote:

> Hi all –
>
> Outstanding news about the Slate-throated Redstarts – a very cool development. Keeping such a development “secret” is a double-edged sword – I have seen this play out many times over the years.
>
> If the nest site were in a truly remote location that saw little or no human visitation, then keeping the location a secret will probably work.
>
> However, that area plays host to dozens (hundreds?) of people every day in the spring – hikers, campers, birders, etc. If the nest location were to be kept secret, what are the odds that a non-birder wandering off-trail (amateur botanist, entomologist, herper, or someone simply smitten with sending images to iNaturalist) disturbs these birds? I would think that over a three-week period, it is pretty likely. (We can argue what constitutes “a disturbance” as a side-issue)
>
> Simply closing the area will only aggravate people (birders, hikers, etc.) that might then be tempted to sneak in and thus do exactly what we do NOT want to happen.
>
> Given that it sounds like the pair are operating pretty close to the trail, I would advocate that some sort of markers / warning tapes be strung in the area around the nest at a sufficient distance to keep inadvertent human disturbance away. If the birds choose to fly out of their protected zone to forage, then the eager masses of birders clustered at the boundary are rewarded.
>
> I do not know if the National Park has the resources, or can get volunteers, to have a person on the trail during the day that can educate the hikers / campers as to why the area is cordoned off, help the birders locate the birds, AND keep watch for those people that want to believe that the restrictions are “for the other guys, not us”. Sadly, there are a LOT of birders that feel so empowered.
>
> While I would certainly like to see these birds myself, I will probably have to wait for then to (hopefully) return next year. If we do it right, maybe I will see them in 2020.
>
> Good birding,
>
> Clay Taylor
>
> TOS Life Member
>
> Corpus Christi (Calallen) TX
>
> <Clay.taylor...>
>
> 401-965-9064
>
> From: <texbirds-bounce...> [mailto:<texbirds-bounce...>] On Behalf Of Jim Weber
> Sent: Monday, May 20, 2019 6:30 AM
> To: <texbirds...>
> Subject: [texbirds] Nesting pair of Slate-throated Redstarts - Please Do Not Disturb
>
> While we realize this is big news we had hoped people wouldn’t post the exact nest location. We all want this pair to be successful. Wouldn’t it be wonderful to have this species establish a population in the high Chisos?
>
> People hoping to see them need to stay on the trail and resist the temptation to go over and ‘just take a peek' in the nest.
>
> Lynne and I observed the busy female working on the nest with the singing male ’supervising’ on 5/16. David Larson of the BBNP NPS also observed the nest-building a couple hours earlier on 5/16 and took detailed field notes.
>
> We took photos and videos which we submitted to TBRC along with the request that the info wouldn’t be posted anywhere.
>
> Hopefully, the ten mile round trip hike (and ~1600 ft of elevation gain in the mounting heat) will offer them some protection from the masses.
>
> Jim and Lynne Weber
> Austin, TX
> <jweber...>
>
> http://naturewatchaustin.blogspot.com
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/webersaustin/
 

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Date: 5/20/19 7:05 am
From: justin.bosler <justin.bosler...>
Subject: [texbirds] Re: Nesting pair of Slate-throated Redstarts - Please Do Not Disturb
Hello Jim and Brush,Who posted the exact location of the nest? I certainly didn't. That would mean providing coordinates and detailed description of where on the slope it is. Perhaps I missed something. I am merely informing that there is a nest in progress in the general area where the male has been for a month and the pair within the last week.Take a hike, in Big Bend!Justin BoslerAustin, TexasSent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
-------- Original message --------From: Brush Freeman <brushfreeman...> Date: 5/20/19 7:23 AM (GMT-06:00) To: <jweber...> Cc: <texbirds...> Subject: [texbirds] Re: Nesting pair of Slate-throated Redstarts - Please Do Not Disturb I was pretty disappointed to have read this as well especially from experienced borders but can assume excitement just prevailed. Hopefully the birds will succeed regardless. On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 6:33 AM Jim Weber <jweber...> wrote:While we realize this is big news we had hoped people wouldn’t post the exact nest location.  We all want this pair to be successful.  Wouldn’t it be wonderful to have this species establish a population in the high Chisos?People hoping to see them need to stay on the trail and resist the temptation to go over and ‘just take a peek' in the nest.
Lynne and I observed the busy female working on the nest with the singing male ’supervising’ on 5/16.  David Larson of the BBNP NPS also observed the nest-building a couple hours earlier on 5/16 and took detailed field notes.  We took photos and videos which we submitted to TBRC along with the request that the info wouldn’t be posted anywhere.  Hopefully, the ten mile round trip hike (and ~1600 ft of elevation gain in the mounting heat) will offer them some protection from the masses.Jim and Lynne WeberAustin, <TXjweber...>://naturewatchaustin.blogspot.comhttp://www.flickr.com/photos/webersaustin/


-- Brush FreemanUtley & Cedar Park, Texas
 

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Date: 5/20/19 6:18 am
From: Clay Taylor <Clay.Taylor...>
Subject: [texbirds] Re: Nesting pair of Slate-throated Redstarts - Please Do Not Disturb
Hi all –

Outstanding news about the Slate-throated Redstarts – a very cool development. Keeping such a development “secret” is a double-edged sword – I have seen this play out many times over the years.

If the nest site were in a truly remote location that saw little or no human visitation, then keeping the location a secret will probably work.

However, that area plays host to dozens (hundreds?) of people every day in the spring – hikers, campers, birders, etc. If the nest location were to be kept secret, what are the odds that a non-birder wandering off-trail (amateur botanist, entomologist, herper, or someone simply smitten with sending images to iNaturalist) disturbs these birds? I would think that over a three-week period, it is pretty likely. (We can argue what constitutes “a disturbance” as a side-issue)

Simply closing the area will only aggravate people (birders, hikers, etc.) that might then be tempted to sneak in and thus do exactly what we do NOT want to happen.

Given that it sounds like the pair are operating pretty close to the trail, I would advocate that some sort of markers / warning tapes be strung in the area around the nest at a sufficient distance to keep inadvertent human disturbance away. If the birds choose to fly out of their protected zone to forage, then the eager masses of birders clustered at the boundary are rewarded.

I do not know if the National Park has the resources, or can get volunteers, to have a person on the trail during the day that can educate the hikers / campers as to why the area is cordoned off, help the birders locate the birds, AND keep watch for those people that want to believe that the restrictions are “for the other guys, not us”. Sadly, there are a LOT of birders that feel so empowered.

While I would certainly like to see these birds myself, I will probably have to wait for then to (hopefully) return next year. If we do it right, maybe I will see them in 2020.

Good birding,

Clay Taylor
TOS Life Member
Corpus Christi (Calallen) TX
<Clay.taylor...><mailto:<Clay.taylor...>
401-965-9064

From: <texbirds-bounce...> [mailto:<texbirds-bounce...>] On Behalf Of Jim Weber
Sent: Monday, May 20, 2019 6:30 AM
To: <texbirds...>
Subject: [texbirds] Nesting pair of Slate-throated Redstarts - Please Do Not Disturb

While we realize this is big news we had hoped people wouldn’t post the exact nest location. We all want this pair to be successful. Wouldn’t it be wonderful to have this species establish a population in the high Chisos?

People hoping to see them need to stay on the trail and resist the temptation to go over and ‘just take a peek' in the nest.

Lynne and I observed the busy female working on the nest with the singing male ’supervising’ on 5/16. David Larson of the BBNP NPS also observed the nest-building a couple hours earlier on 5/16 and took detailed field notes.


We took photos and videos which we submitted to TBRC along with the request that the info wouldn’t be posted anywhere.

Hopefully, the ten mile round trip hike (and ~1600 ft of elevation gain in the mounting heat) will offer them some protection from the masses.

Jim and Lynne Weber
Austin, TX
<jweber...><mailto:<jweber...>
http://naturewatchaustin.blogspot.com
http://www.flickr.com/photos/webersaustin/

 

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Date: 5/20/19 5:26 am
From: Brush Freeman <brushfreeman...>
Subject: [texbirds] Re: Nesting pair of Slate-throated Redstarts - Please Do Not Disturb
I was pretty disappointed to have read this as well especially from
experienced borders but can assume excitement just prevailed. Hopefully the
birds will succeed regardless.

On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 6:33 AM Jim Weber <jweber...> wrote:

> While we realize this is big news we had hoped people wouldn’t post the
> exact nest location. We all want this pair to be successful. Wouldn’t it
> be wonderful to have this species establish a population in the high Chisos?
>
> People hoping to see them need to stay on the trail and resist the
> temptation to go over and ‘just take a peek' in the nest.
>
> Lynne and I observed the busy female working on the nest with the singing
> male ’supervising’ on 5/16. David Larson of the BBNP NPS also observed
> the nest-building a couple hours earlier on 5/16 and took detailed field
> notes.
>
> We took photos and videos which we submitted to TBRC along with the
> request that the info wouldn’t be posted anywhere.
>
> Hopefully, the ten mile round trip hike (and ~1600 ft of elevation gain in
> the mounting heat) will offer them some protection from the masses.
>
> Jim and Lynne Weber
> Austin, TX
> <jweber...>
> http://naturewatchaustin.blogspot.com
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/webersaustin/
>
>
>
> --

Brush Freeman
<http://www.biospatialsevices.com>
Utley & Cedar Park, Texas

 

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Date: 5/20/19 4:34 am
From: Jim Weber <jweber...>
Subject: [texbirds] Nesting pair of Slate-throated Redstarts - Please Do Not Disturb
While we realize this is big news we had hoped people wouldn’t post the exact nest location. We all want this pair to be successful. Wouldn’t it be wonderful to have this species establish a population in the high Chisos?

People hoping to see them need to stay on the trail and resist the temptation to go over and ‘just take a peek' in the nest.

Lynne and I observed the busy female working on the nest with the singing male ’supervising’ on 5/16. David Larson of the BBNP NPS also observed the nest-building a couple hours earlier on 5/16 and took detailed field notes.

We took photos and videos which we submitted to TBRC along with the request that the info wouldn’t be posted anywhere.

Hopefully, the ten mile round trip hike (and ~1600 ft of elevation gain in the mounting heat) will offer them some protection from the masses.

Jim and Lynne Weber
Austin, TX
<jweber...>
http://naturewatchaustin.blogspot.com
http://www.flickr.com/photos/webersaustin/




 

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