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7/3/20 9:25 pm <huneked...> [osbirds] <osbirds...> [osbirds] Ravens, RTs
7/3/20 6:58 pm David Diaz <dmdiaz73...> [osbirds] <osbirds...> Re: [osbirds] Confirmed breeding
7/3/20 5:47 pm Andrew Mason <andymason...> [osbirds] <osbirds...> [osbirds] Confirmed breeding
7/3/20 2:40 pm Suzanne Gaynor <suzanne.gaynor5...> [osbirds] <osbirds...> Re: [osbirds] Bizarre behavior
7/3/20 2:33 pm Kathryn & Al Davino <davino...> [osbirds] <osbirds...> [osbirds] Yellow-throated Vireo
7/3/20 2:07 pm 'Bright, Sandy' <brights...> [osbirds] <osbirds...> [osbirds] Bizarre behavior
7/3/20 4:11 am David Diaz <dmdiaz73...> [osbirds] <osbirds...> Re: [osbirds] Yellow-breasted chat continues at Parslow
7/3/20 3:45 am David Diaz <dmdiaz73...> [osbirds] <osbirds...> [osbirds] Yellow-breasted chat continues at Parslow
7/2/20 6:19 pm John Davis <davi7js4...> [osbirds] <osbirds...> [osbirds] morning walk
7/2/20 1:12 pm <huneked...> [osbirds] <osbirds...> [osbirds] Young RT hawks
7/2/20 8:40 am Kathryn & Al Davino <davino...> [osbirds] <osbirds...> [osbirds] Juvenile Oriole
7/2/20 6:02 am Andrew Mason <andymason...> [osbirds] <osbirds...> [osbirds] Fwd: Upcoming Atlas Events
7/1/20 6:39 pm Charles Scheim <scheimc...> [osbirds] <osbirds...> Re: [osbirds] RB grosbeaks
7/1/20 2:47 pm Sarah Root <sarah...> [osbirds] <osbirds...> Re: [osbirds] RB grosbeaks
7/1/20 1:55 pm Kathryn & Al Davino <davino...> [osbirds] <osbirds...> Re: [osbirds] RB grosbeaks
7/1/20 8:53 am Charles Scheim <scheimc...> [osbirds] <osbirds...> Re: [osbirds] RB grosbeaks
7/1/20 8:09 am Sarah Root <sarah...> [osbirds] <osbirds...> Re: [osbirds] RB grosbeaks
6/30/20 3:06 pm Charles Scheim <scheimc...> [osbirds] <osbirds...> Re: [osbirds] RB grosbeaks
6/30/20 11:21 am Charles Scheim <scheimc...> [osbirds] <osbirds...> Re: [osbirds] RB grosbeaks
6/30/20 10:08 am Jessie Ravage <jravage...> [osbirds] <osbirds...> [osbirds] Solitary Loon
6/30/20 8:52 am Thomas Salo <salothomas...> [osbirds] <osbirds...> Re: [osbirds] RB grosbeaks
6/30/20 8:23 am Gerianne Carillo <gerianne...> [osbirds] <osbirds...> Re: [osbirds] RB grosbeaks
6/30/20 8:00 am Gerianne Carillo <gerianne...> [osbirds] <osbirds...> Re: [osbirds] Incomplete checklists
6/30/20 7:57 am Gerianne Carillo <gerianne...> [osbirds] <osbirds...> Re: [osbirds] Incomplete checklists
6/30/20 4:57 am Sarah Root <sarah...> [osbirds] <osbirds...> Re: [osbirds] RB grosbeaks
6/30/20 4:17 am Thomas Salo <salothomas...> [osbirds] <osbirds...> Re: [osbirds] RB grosbeaks
6/30/20 3:59 am Sarah Root <sarah...> [osbirds] <osbirds...> [osbirds] RB grosbeaks
6/27/20 5:02 pm David Diaz <dmdiaz73...> [osbirds] <osbirds...> Re: [osbirds] Re: Yellow-breasted chat
6/27/20 4:56 pm 'Bright, Sandy' <brights...> [osbirds] <osbirds...> Re: [osbirds] Incomplete checklists
6/27/20 4:47 pm 'Scheim, Charles' <scheimc...> [osbirds] <osbirds...> Re: [osbirds] Incomplete checklists
6/27/20 4:19 pm Gerianne Carillo <gerianne...> [osbirds] <osbirds...> [osbirds] Incomplete checklists
6/27/20 4:12 pm <shall71ge...> [osbirds] <osbirds...> [osbirds] osprey nest
6/27/20 2:54 pm David Diaz <dmdiaz73...> [osbirds] <osbirds...> Re: [osbirds] Re: Yellow-breasted chat
6/27/20 2:05 pm Thomas Salo <salothomas...> [osbirds] <osbirds...> Re: [osbirds] Re: Yellow-breasted chat
6/27/20 1:54 pm Thomas Salo <salothomas...> [osbirds] <osbirds...> Re: [osbirds] Re: Yellow-breasted chat
6/27/20 1:48 pm David Diaz <dmdiaz73...> [osbirds] <osbirds...> [osbirds] Re: Yellow-breasted chat
6/27/20 1:47 pm David Diaz <dmdiaz73...> [osbirds] <osbirds...> [osbirds] Re: Yellow-breasted chat
6/27/20 7:59 am Suzanne Gaynor <suzanne.gaynor5...> [osbirds] <osbirds...> [osbirds] Tanager and baby
6/27/20 5:49 am David Diaz <dmdiaz73...> [osbirds] <osbirds...> [osbirds] Yellow-breasted chat
6/26/20 8:01 am Thomas Salo <salothomas...> [osbirds] <osbirds...> Re: [osbirds] osprey nest
6/25/20 4:51 pm <shall71ge...> [osbirds] <osbirds...> [osbirds] ospre y nest
6/21/20 12:34 pm Thomas Salo <salothomas...> [osbirds] <osbirds...> Re: [osbirds] On feeling bad for Blue Jays
6/21/20 6:18 am David Diaz <dmdiaz73...> [osbirds] <osbirds...> Re: [osbirds] On feeling bad for Blue Jays
6/21/20 5:11 am Sarah Root <sarah...> [osbirds] <osbirds...> [osbirds] Downy in stone wall
6/21/20 3:34 am Jessie Ravage <jravage...> [osbirds] <osbirds...> Re: [osbirds] On feeling bad for Blue Jays
6/20/20 5:51 pm DennisFowler <dennisf6...> [osbirds] <osbirds...> Re: [osbirds] On feeling bad for Blue Jays
6/20/20 10:23 am Alice Pantaleoni <alicehp24...> [osbirds] <osbirds...> Re: [osbirds] On feeling bad for Blue Jays
6/20/20 10:17 am David Diaz <dmdiaz73...> [osbirds] <osbirds...> Re: [osbirds] Another Otsego Osprey Nest
6/20/20 7:50 am Thomas Salo <salothomas...> [osbirds] <osbirds...> [osbirds] Another Otsego Osprey Nest
6/20/20 4:21 am Thomas Salo <salothomas...> [osbirds] <osbirds...> [osbirds] On feeling bad for Blue Jays
6/19/20 9:05 am Gerianne Carillo <gerianne...> [osbirds] <osbirds...> Re: [osbirds] Breeding code assistance
6/19/20 6:37 am rob snell <snell.rob...> [osbirds] <osbirds...> Re: [osbirds] Nocturnal hummingbirds?
6/19/20 5:06 am rob snell <snell.rob...> [osbirds] <osbirds...> Re: [osbirds] Nocturnal hummingbirds?
6/18/20 6:26 am Andrew Mason <andymason...> [osbirds] <osbirds...> [osbirds] Nocturnal hummingbirds?
6/17/20 4:34 pm 'Scheim, Charles' <scheimc...> [osbirds] <osbirds...> Re: [osbirds] Question
6/17/20 2:22 pm David Diaz <dmdiaz73...> [osbirds] <osbirds...> Re: [osbirds] Nice morning
6/17/20 2:20 pm C Staley <whizpop37...> [osbirds] <osbirds...> [osbirds] Question
6/17/20 2:08 pm Charles Scheim <scheimc...> [osbirds] <osbirds...> Re: [osbirds] Nice morning
6/17/20 1:42 pm David Diaz <dmdiaz73...> [osbirds] <osbirds...> [osbirds] Nice morning
6/17/20 12:23 pm Gerianne Carillo <gerianne...> [osbirds] <osbirds...> Re: [osbirds] Breeding code assistance
6/17/20 12:22 pm 'Scheim, Charles' <scheimc...> [osbirds] <osbirds...> Re: [osbirds] Breeding code assistance
6/17/20 12:18 pm Gerianne Carillo <gerianne...> [osbirds] <osbirds...> Re: [osbirds] Breeding code assistance
6/17/20 12:02 pm <huneked...> [osbirds] <osbirds...> [osbirds] Barn Swallows
6/17/20 10:46 am 'Scheim, Charles' <scheimc...> [osbirds] <osbirds...> Re: [osbirds] Breeding code assistance
6/17/20 8:10 am david nicosia <daven1024...> [osbirds] <osbirds...> Re: [osbirds] Another code question
6/17/20 7:58 am Suzanne Gaynor <suzanne.gaynor5...> [osbirds] <osbirds...> Re: [osbirds] Another code question
6/17/20 7:40 am Gerianne Carillo <gerianne...> [osbirds] <osbirds...> [osbirds] Another code question
6/17/20 7:34 am Suzanne Gaynor <suzanne.gaynor5...> [osbirds] <osbirds...> Re: [osbirds] Breeding code assistance
6/17/20 7:28 am Gerianne Carillo <gerianne...> [osbirds] <osbirds...> [osbirds] Breeding code assistance
6/13/20 7:32 am <shall71ge...> [osbirds] <osbirds...> RE: [osbirds] Turkey-fox drama
6/12/20 2:34 pm Thomas Salo <salothomas...> [osbirds] <osbirds...> [osbirds] Turkey-fox drama
6/11/20 6:35 am Eleanor Moriarty <eleanormrrt955...> [osbirds] <osbirds...> [osbirds]
6/8/20 5:03 pm Eleanor Moriarty <eleanormrrt955...> [osbirds] <osbirds...> [osbirds] Odd sightings
6/7/20 6:09 pm <huneked...> [osbirds] <osbirds...> [osbirds] Killdeer
6/7/20 10:05 am Kathryn & Al Davino <davino...> [osbirds] <osbirds...> Re: [osbirds] Proper BBA code?
6/6/20 1:08 pm Thomas Salo <salothomas...> [osbirds] <osbirds...> Re: [osbirds] Proper BBA code?
6/6/20 9:55 am Kathryn & Al Davino <davino...> [osbirds] <osbirds...> Re: [osbirds] Proper BBA code?
6/6/20 9:53 am Thomas Salo <salothomas...> [osbirds] <osbirds...> Re: [osbirds] Proper BBA code?
6/6/20 9:47 am Gerianne Carillo <gerianne...> [osbirds] <osbirds...> [osbirds] Proper BBA code?
6/5/20 11:25 am <huneked...> [osbirds] <osbirds...> [osbirds] House Wrens
6/4/20 6:48 am Andrew Mason <andymason...> [osbirds] <osbirds...> [osbirds] Fwd: Join Us For the Second NYBBAIII Town Hall!
 
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Date: 7/3/20 9:25 pm
From: <huneked...> [osbirds] <osbirds...>
Subject: [osbirds] Ravens, RTs
As I headed up the mountain on a morning trail ride I started hearing some
very strange calls in the woods. They were loud, but still distant, and
almost hard to determine if bird or mammal. After listening for a few
minutes I began to suspect Ravens. My change of direction took me away from
the sound, which may have also quieted somewhat, and I forgot all about it
until about a half hour later. The calls resumed much further up the
mountain with many voices chiming in, and even my dog was finding these
sounds a little disturbing. She wasn't sure what she was approaching as she
stopped jogging and walked tentatively ahead of me on the trail. My
suspicion of Ravens was confirmed when I rounded a bend and flushed four
ravens from the trees. I've only seen Ravens in flight, and heard their
vocalizations during flight. I've always assumed these were adults, and
after hearing these calls today I'm pretty sure that is correct. These
calls seem to me to be the Raven version of young birds begging. Loud,
varied, garbled, sometimes like something being injured. I don't know for
sure if all four birds were juveniles, but the nature of the sounds coming
from that group of birds indicates they most likely were. In all my years
of trail riding all over the range of hills here, I've never come upon adult
Ravens in the woods, no less juveniles.

When I first headed out on this ride both juvenile RTs were sitting on
branches in a dead white pine on the edge of the pine stand where I heard
them calling the other evening. They were making quite a racket this
morning, but I didn't see any adult in the area. I so hope this adult pair
of RTs has resumed nesting in that big old nest in the white pine stand. I
have missed this juvenile RT activity since the eagles moved in to the area.

In the songbird department I heard wood thrushes, ovenbirds, red-eyed
vireos, and a few warblers that I can never identify. But in general the
songbirds were fairly quiet this morning. Maybe the Ravens were making way
too much noise to compete with!

Dorian Huneke,
Treadwell

 

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Date: 7/3/20 6:58 pm
From: David Diaz <dmdiaz73...> [osbirds] <osbirds...>
Subject: Re: [osbirds] Confirmed breeding
That meme is nuts! 😂

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> On Jul 3, 2020, at 8:47 PM, Andrew Mason <andymason...> [osbirds] <osbirds...> wrote:
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> A timely forward.
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Date: 7/3/20 5:47 pm
From: Andrew Mason <andymason...> [osbirds] <osbirds...>
Subject: [osbirds] Confirmed breeding
A timely forward.




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Date: 7/3/20 2:40 pm
From: Suzanne Gaynor <suzanne.gaynor5...> [osbirds] <osbirds...>
Subject: Re: [osbirds] Bizarre behavior
Last year we had a male cardinal repeatedly banging on our front window and
we assumed he saw some reflection we did not. The behavior was not repeated
this year. I'm happy to say I've never had crows try it. Sounds a little
Alfred Hitchcock!
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> A few days ago, a friend told us about a cardinal that was pecking at her
> window screen repeatedly. Yesterday, another friend told me about the same
> behavior with crows, though the crows were much more destructive, actually
> destroying the screen. In both cases, there didn't seem to be any
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> Has anyone ever witnessed anything like this before? Any idea what was
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Date: 7/3/20 2:33 pm
From: Kathryn & Al Davino <davino...> [osbirds] <osbirds...>
Subject: [osbirds] Yellow-throated Vireo
I had a lovely, but brief visit with a Yellow-throated Vireo this morning in the top of my birches! That’s a life bird for me. Yay!

Kathryn Davino


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Date: 7/3/20 2:07 pm
From: 'Bright, Sandy' <brights...> [osbirds] <osbirds...>
Subject: [osbirds] Bizarre behavior
A few days ago, a friend told us about a cardinal that was pecking at her
window screen repeatedly. Yesterday, another friend told me about the same
behavior with crows, though the crows were much more destructive, actually
destroying the screen. In both cases, there didn't seem to be any
reflection obvious that might have caused the birds to think there was
another bird there that they needed to chase away.

Has anyone ever witnessed anything like this before? Any idea what was
going on?

 

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Date: 7/3/20 4:11 am
From: David Diaz <dmdiaz73...> [osbirds] <osbirds...>
Subject: Re: [osbirds] Yellow-breasted chat continues at Parslow
And both cuckoos

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Date: 7/3/20 3:45 am
From: David Diaz <dmdiaz73...> [osbirds] <osbirds...>
Subject: [osbirds] Yellow-breasted chat continues at Parslow
6:30am and the chat is singing it’s heart out at Parslow Road Conservation Area, also chasing other birds from a large cluster of shrubs.

Some other nice birds around too including three empid sweep.

David Diaz
Fly Creek, NY

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Date: 7/2/20 6:19 pm
From: John Davis <davi7js4...> [osbirds] <osbirds...>
Subject: [osbirds] morning walk
Good birding by ear on my morning walk today. Black-billed Cuckoo in the distance, Alder Flycatcher where it has sung for last 3 weeks or so, Black-throated Blue Warbler and the usual Red-eyed Vireos, Veery (calls only), Chestnut-sided Warblers and Northern Yellowthroats. I didn’t see any of them in the full foliage and had no binocs with me. John Davis

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Date: 7/2/20 1:12 pm
From: <huneked...> [osbirds] <osbirds...>
Subject: [osbirds] Young RT hawks
Yesterday evening I was out checking some fencing in the far reaches of the
pasture when I heard the very familiar calls of fledged red tailed hawks -
the first time in quite a few years that I've heard the juveniles begging in
this location. This is the area of the once RT nest, turned BE nest, then
turned empty. I have seen a pair of RTs in this area for many months and
have wondered if they used that old nest. Maybe so.

The adults were flying about, so I knew it couldn't be them but I couldn't
spot the juveniles, and believe they were deeper into the pine forest than
just the edge. At first I thought one was moving about a lot, but after
paying close attention I realized there were multiple voices overlapping
each other, and from different areas of the woods. They were just so loud
it was at first confusing and took some serious attention to figure out.

Today as I was bushhogging out that way I saw an adult flying in the same
area, but no sound from the youngsters. The back and upper side of the
wings were just as rufous as the tail, which made me wonder if this bird is
not one of the two I've been watching. I was surprised by the color, and
still wonder if it was just the angle of the sun hitting the feathers. I've
never before seen an adult RT with it's entire upper side the same color as
the tail.

Dorian Huneke,
Treadwell

 

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Date: 7/2/20 8:40 am
From: Kathryn & Al Davino <davino...> [osbirds] <osbirds...>
Subject: [osbirds] Juvenile Oriole
I am thrilled to report that I had a short encounter with a juvenile Baltimore Oriole in my yard this morning. My ears pricked up when I heard it begging in my rose bushes, and then it moved into a birch tree where his mom was nearby. I swear the begging call sounds like “Feed me!” If it had not made the call, it is likely that I would have assumed it was just another adult female, so I’ve learned another bit of their language. Joining the BBA III is really helping me hone my birding skills.

~Kathryn Davino


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Date: 7/2/20 6:02 am
From: Andrew Mason <andymason...> [osbirds] <osbirds...>
Subject: [osbirds] Fwd: Upcoming Atlas Events
There have been a number of questions regarding Atlas recording lately,
so here is info on upcoming events that will provide opportunities to
get answers from the top.

Andy Mason


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Subject: Upcoming Atlas Events
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2020 09:10:25 +0000
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Upcoming Atlas Events Third Town Hall (7/8) and Thursday Lunch & Learns
(starting tomorrow)


*Upcoming Atlas Events*


*Town Hall #3 and Weekly Lunch & Learns*


Connect with other atlasers and ask your lingering questions!


We are finally in the core part of the atlas season! There are baby
birds everywhere and some birds are starting second or third broods. You
may not be used to birding in July, but *this is the month* to get out
and confirm breeding.

To help you during this busy month, I'm hosting lots of Q&A events. Join
me for weekly lunch sessions or the third Town Hall.


*Weekly Lunch & Learn - Thursdays @ Noon*

*Starting TODAY (7/2) *and continuing every Thursday in July, we will
host a lunch forum. *Join me from 12-1 pm* for a brief 5-min overview of
a hot topic followed by an open discussion. These sessions are less
formal than Town Hall meetings. Feel free to hop on, ask your question
and leave, or stay for the whole hour to hear what others are wondering.

Join Lunch & Learn
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(same every week)
Meeting number: 161 040 6822
Password: xJdp7RE6bM3
Join by phone: 1-518-549-0500 (access code: 161 040 6822)


*Third Town Hall - July 8 @ 6:30 pm*

Tune in one week from today (7/8) from 6:30 - 7:30 pm as we attempt to
answer all your remaining *data entry questions*. We'll also give a
tutorial on how to *use the Explore pages* on the Atlas website so you
know how to view all the results collected so far.

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Meeting number: 161 218 8946
Password: BXqrt9TN3A8
Join by phone: 1-518-549-0500 (access code: 161 218 8946)

Missed the previous Town Hall Meetings? Watch them on our YouTube
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on the Atlas website.


*Be prepared for a fun-filled month!* Young birds are not only hilarious
looking, they are also hilarious to watch as they test their wings, try
eating on their own, and attempt their first songs.

Happy atlasing,
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Date: 7/1/20 6:39 pm
From: Charles Scheim <scheimc...> [osbirds] <osbirds...>
Subject: Re: [osbirds] RB grosbeaks
Hmmm... and if Blue Jays can carry peanut butter, they could get together
with the Orioles to make sandwiches... 😄😄😄
Sorry... couldn’t resist...
Charlie

The marathon continues...

On Jul 1, 2020, at 5:47 PM, Sarah Root <sarah...> [osbirds]
<osbirds...> wrote:



Tom Salo has mentioned that some of the males could be failed-nesters, or
some/all could be carrying food back to young. In any case it’s a lot of
non-competitive male grosbeaks at one feeder.

I find it’s really hard to tell what they are doing with the seeds, whether
eating them or stashing them in internal sacs.

Wonder if orioles can carry jelly in their slimmer beaks??

More questions than answers!

Sarah Root

On Jul 1, 2020, at 4:55 PM, Kathryn & Al Davino <davino...>
[osbirds] <osbirds...> wrote:

Wow! That’s good to know, Sarah! I have been impressed by the many male and
female RBGBs that have returned to the feeders about 2 weeks ago after a
month hiatus. I believe that at least one of the males is a juvenile from
this year by his rough plumage, but I was baffled by how both sexes could
be spending so much time at my feeders now without bringing in more of
their young. I frequently have 4 males at a time and 2 to 3 females mixing
in. This goes on all day long. So, perhaps they are carrying food back to
either nestlings or fledglings in the bush?

I also have a continuous stream of Baltimore Orioles again, both males and
females, sometimes 2 at a time going for the grapes and the jelly. Do you
think that’s for them or are they carrying that back to a nest?

~Kathryn davino



On Jul 1, 2020, at 11:53 AM, Charles Scheim <scheimc...> [osbirds] <
<osbirds...> wrote:

Oh, that’s good info to know! Thanks, Sarah!
Charlie

The marathon continues...

On Jul 1, 2020, at 11:09 AM, Sarah Root <sarah...> [osbirds]
<osbirds...> wrote:



I’ve been reading in the literature that many seed eating birds,
especially finches, have paired sacs either in the mouth cavity or on the
sides of the esophagus, used as storage bags for food. This not a crop. The
accumulated seeds or insects may later be swallowed, or fed to young by
regurgitation.

More commonly in seed and grain eating birds, there is instead a crop which
is a larger swelling of the esophagus itself. Food remains there, being
softened, until the stomach can accommodate it.

Gleaning from this text, it would seem that grosbeaks might be sticking
hulled seeds in these sacs, rather than storing them in their beaks, before
returning to their young.... It raises some interesting questions! It’s
hard to tell where those little kernels are being stashed!

Sarah Root
Maryland

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 30, 2020, at 6:05 PM, Charles Scheim <scheimc...> [osbirds] <
<osbirds...> wrote:



Corvids... automatic word correction snafu! 😄😄

The marathon continues...

On Jun 30, 2020, at 2:01 PM, Charles Scheim <scheimc...> wrote:

Be careful here. Carrying Food is generally not an acceptable code for
Corbin’s, since they do so all year round..
CS


The marathon continues...

On Jun 30, 2020, at 11:02 AM, Gerianne Carillo <gerianne...> [osbirds]
<osbirds...> wrote:



Hi Tom,

Sad about the logging going on nearby. Too bad that can’t be better timed.

So - If I see a Blue Jay filling its “gullet” with food to carry off, I can
count that as carrying food? They do it so often for their winter caches
that I think I’ve gotten numb to it!

Gerianne
Milford Village


On Jun 30, 2020, at 7:16 AM, Thomas Salo <salothomas...> [osbirds] <
<osbirds...> wrote:

The same here, also with Purple Finches. There is occasionally a single
female grosbeak.

Some fledgling and female Purple Finches are in the mix but more males
than females. I've been watching them closely. The male cardinal has been
feeding young from the feeder. 5 species were confirmed breeding by birds
either feeding young, or carrying off loads of seeds.

I assume most grosbeaks are birds that did not breed. Other possibilities
include failed nesters and successful breeders hauling away food. Study
their beaks. So far, ive not seen a grosbeak carrying sunflower seeds.

There is extensive logging going on west of me.. I am thinking a lot of
nests failed.

Tom Salo


On Tue, Jun 30, 2020, 6:59 AM Sarah Root <sarah...> [osbirds]
<osbirds...> wrote:

> We’ve been seeing 2-3 adult male RB Grosbeaks (full plumage) at our feeder
> at the same time, over the last 2-3 weeks. Female is never present. We
> suppose these are non- singing first year males, tolerated by our oft-seen
> pair of grosbeaks. Can’t find anything in the literature about it...
> Thoughts?
> Sarah Root
> Maryland
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> ------------------------------------
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> ------------------------------------
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Date: 7/1/20 2:47 pm
From: Sarah Root <sarah...> [osbirds] <osbirds...>
Subject: Re: [osbirds] RB grosbeaks
Tom Salo has mentioned that some of the males could be failed-nesters, or some/all could be carrying food back to young. In any case it’s a lot of non-competitive male grosbeaks at one feeder.

I find it’s really hard to tell what they are doing with the seeds, whether eating them or stashing them in internal sacs.

Wonder if orioles can carry jelly in their slimmer beaks??

More questions than answers!

Sarah Root

> On Jul 1, 2020, at 4:55 PM, Kathryn & Al Davino <davino...> [osbirds] <osbirds...> wrote:
>
> Wow! That’s good to know, Sarah! I have been impressed by the many male and female RBGBs that have returned to the feeders about 2 weeks ago after a month hiatus. I believe that at least one of the males is a juvenile from this year by his rough plumage, but I was baffled by how both sexes could be spending so much time at my feeders now without bringing in more of their young. I frequently have 4 males at a time and 2 to 3 females mixing in. This goes on all day long. So, perhaps they are carrying food back to either nestlings or fledglings in the bush?
>
>
> I also have a continuous stream of Baltimore Orioles again, both males and females, sometimes 2 at a time going for the grapes and the jelly. Do you think that’s for them or are they carrying that back to a nest?
>
> ~Kathryn davino
>
>
>
>> On Jul 1, 2020, at 11:53 AM, Charles Scheim <scheimc...> <mailto:<scheimc...> [osbirds] <osbirds...> <mailto:<osbirds...>> wrote:
>>
>> Oh, that’s good info to know! Thanks, Sarah!
>>
>> Charlie
>>
>> The marathon continues...
>>
>> On Jul 1, 2020, at 11:09 AM, Sarah Root <sarah...> <mailto:<sarah...> [osbirds] <osbirds...> <mailto:<osbirds...>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I’ve been reading in the literature that many seed eating birds, especially finches, have paired sacs either in the mouth cavity or on the sides of the esophagus, used as storage bags for food. This not a crop. The accumulated seeds or insects may later be swallowed, or fed to young by regurgitation.
>>>
>>> More commonly in seed and grain eating birds, there is instead a crop which is a larger swelling of the esophagus itself. Food remains there, being softened, until the stomach can accommodate it.
>>>
>>> Gleaning from this text, it would seem that grosbeaks might be sticking hulled seeds in these sacs, rather than storing them in their beaks, before returning to their young.... It raises some interesting questions! It’s hard to tell where those little kernels are being stashed!
>>>
>>> Sarah Root
>>> Maryland
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On Jun 30, 2020, at 6:05 PM, Charles Scheim <scheimc...> <mailto:<scheimc...> [osbirds] <osbirds...> <mailto:<osbirds...>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>> Corvids... automatic word correction snafu! 😄😄
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The marathon continues...
>>>>
>>>> On Jun 30, 2020, at 2:01 PM, Charles Scheim <scheimc...> <mailto:<scheimc...>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Be careful here. Carrying Food is generally not an acceptable code for Corbin’s, since they do so all year round.
>>>>> CS
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The marathon continues...
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jun 30, 2020, at 11:02 AM, Gerianne Carillo <gerianne...> <mailto:<gerianne...> [osbirds] <osbirds...> <mailto:<osbirds...>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Tom,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sad about the logging going on nearby. Too bad that can’t be better timed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So - If I see a Blue Jay filling its “gullet” with food to carry off, I can count that as carrying food? They do it so often for their winter caches that I think I’ve gotten numb to it!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Gerianne
>>>>>> Milford Village
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Jun 30, 2020, at 7:16 AM, Thomas Salo <salothomas...> <mailto:<salothomas...> [osbirds] <osbirds...> <mailto:<osbirds...>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The same here, also with Purple Finches. There is occasionally a single female grosbeak.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Some fledgling and female Purple Finches are in the mix but more males than females. I've been watching them closely. The male cardinal has been feeding young from the feeder. 5 species were confirmed breeding by birds either feeding young, or carrying off loads of seeds.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I assume most grosbeaks are birds that did not breed. Other possibilities include failed nesters and successful breeders hauling away food. Study their beaks. So far, ive not seen a grosbeak carrying sunflower seeds.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There is extensive logging going on west of me.. I am thinking a lot of nests failed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tom Salo
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020, 6:59 AM Sarah Root <sarah...> <mailto:<sarah...> [osbirds] <osbirds...> <mailto:<osbirds...> wrote:
>>>>>>> We’ve been seeing 2-3 adult male RB Grosbeaks (full plumage) at our feeder at the same time, over the last 2-3 weeks. Female is never present. We suppose these are non- singing first year males, tolerated by our oft-seen pair of grosbeaks. Can’t find anything in the literature about it. Thoughts?
>>>>>>> Sarah Root
>>>>>>> Maryland
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ------------------------------------
>>>>>>> Posted by: Sarah Root <sarah...> <mailto:<sarah...>>
>>>>>>> ------------------------------------
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Visit OSBirds website at:
>>>>>>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/osbirds <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/osbirds>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Post message: <osbirds...> <mailto:<osbirds...>
>>>>>>> Subscribe: <osbirds-subscribe...> <mailto:<osbirds-subscribe...>
>>>>>>> Unsubscribe: <osbirds-unsubscribe...> <mailto:<osbirds-unsubscribe...>
>>>>>>> List owner: <osbirds-owner...> <mailto:<osbirds-owner...>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> All postings to osbirds are protected by copyright law.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ------------------------------------
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yahoo Groups Links
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>

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www.RadiantAlignment.com
C. 607-353-9833
H. 607-433-2831


 

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Date: 7/1/20 1:55 pm
From: Kathryn & Al Davino <davino...> [osbirds] <osbirds...>
Subject: Re: [osbirds] RB grosbeaks
Wow! That’s good to know, Sarah! I have been impressed by the many male and female RBGBs that have returned to the feeders about 2 weeks ago after a month hiatus. I believe that at least one of the males is a juvenile from this year by his rough plumage, but I was baffled by how both sexes could be spending so much time at my feeders now without bringing in more of their young. I frequently have 4 males at a time and 2 to 3 females mixing in. This goes on all day long. So, perhaps they are carrying food back to either nestlings or fledglings in the bush?

I also have a continuous stream of Baltimore Orioles again, both males and females, sometimes 2 at a time going for the grapes and the jelly. Do you think that’s for them or are they carrying that back to a nest?

~Kathryn davino



> On Jul 1, 2020, at 11:53 AM, Charles Scheim <scheimc...> [osbirds] <osbirds...> wrote:
>
> Oh, that’s good info to know! Thanks, Sarah!
>
> Charlie
>
> The marathon continues...
>
> On Jul 1, 2020, at 11:09 AM, Sarah Root <sarah...> <mailto:<sarah...> [osbirds] <osbirds...> <mailto:<osbirds...>> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> I’ve been reading in the literature that many seed eating birds, especially finches, have paired sacs either in the mouth cavity or on the sides of the esophagus, used as storage bags for food. This not a crop. The accumulated seeds or insects may later be swallowed, or fed to young by regurgitation.
>>
>> More commonly in seed and grain eating birds, there is instead a crop which is a larger swelling of the esophagus itself. Food remains there, being softened, until the stomach can accommodate it.
>>
>> Gleaning from this text, it would seem that grosbeaks might be sticking hulled seeds in these sacs, rather than storing them in their beaks, before returning to their young.... It raises some interesting questions! It’s hard to tell where those little kernels are being stashed!
>>
>> Sarah Root
>> Maryland
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Jun 30, 2020, at 6:05 PM, Charles Scheim <scheimc...> <mailto:<scheimc...> [osbirds] <osbirds...> <mailto:<osbirds...>> wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>> Corvids... automatic word correction snafu! 😄😄
>>>
>>>
>>> The marathon continues...
>>>
>>> On Jun 30, 2020, at 2:01 PM, Charles Scheim <scheimc...> <mailto:<scheimc...>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Be careful here. Carrying Food is generally not an acceptable code for Corbin’s, since they do so all year round.
>>>> CS
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The marathon continues...
>>>>
>>>> On Jun 30, 2020, at 11:02 AM, Gerianne Carillo <gerianne...> <mailto:<gerianne...> [osbirds] <osbirds...> <mailto:<osbirds...>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Tom,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Sad about the logging going on nearby. Too bad that can’t be better timed.
>>>>>
>>>>> So - If I see a Blue Jay filling its “gullet” with food to carry off, I can count that as carrying food? They do it so often for their winter caches that I think I’ve gotten numb to it!
>>>>>
>>>>> Gerianne
>>>>> Milford Village
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jun 30, 2020, at 7:16 AM, Thomas Salo <salothomas...> <mailto:<salothomas...> [osbirds] <osbirds...> <mailto:<osbirds...>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The same here, also with Purple Finches. There is occasionally a single female grosbeak.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Some fledgling and female Purple Finches are in the mix but more males than females. I've been watching them closely. The male cardinal has been feeding young from the feeder. 5 species were confirmed breeding by birds either feeding young, or carrying off loads of seeds.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I assume most grosbeaks are birds that did not breed. Other possibilities include failed nesters and successful breeders hauling away food. Study their beaks. So far, ive not seen a grosbeak carrying sunflower seeds.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There is extensive logging going on west of me.. I am thinking a lot of nests failed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tom Salo
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020, 6:59 AM Sarah Root <sarah...> <mailto:<sarah...> [osbirds] <osbirds...> <mailto:<osbirds...> wrote:
>>>>>> We’ve been seeing 2-3 adult male RB Grosbeaks (full plumage) at our feeder at the same time, over the last 2-3 weeks. Female is never present. We suppose these are non- singing first year males, tolerated by our oft-seen pair of grosbeaks. Can’t find anything in the literature about it. Thoughts?
>>>>>> Sarah Root
>>>>>> Maryland
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ------------------------------------
>>>>>> Posted by: Sarah Root <sarah...> <mailto:<sarah...>>
>>>>>> ------------------------------------
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Visit OSBirds website at:
>>>>>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/osbirds <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/osbirds>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Post message: <osbirds...> <mailto:<osbirds...>
>>>>>> Subscribe: <osbirds-subscribe...> <mailto:<osbirds-subscribe...>
>>>>>> Unsubscribe: <osbirds-unsubscribe...> <mailto:<osbirds-unsubscribe...>
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>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
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Date: 7/1/20 8:53 am
From: Charles Scheim <scheimc...> [osbirds] <osbirds...>
Subject: Re: [osbirds] RB grosbeaks
Oh, that’s good info to know! Thanks, Sarah!
Charlie

The marathon continues...

On Jul 1, 2020, at 11:09 AM, Sarah Root <sarah...>
[osbirds] <osbirds...> wrote:



I’ve been reading in the literature that many seed eating birds,
especially finches, have paired sacs either in the mouth cavity or on the
sides of the esophagus, used as storage bags for food. This not a crop. The
accumulated seeds or insects may later be swallowed, or fed to young by
regurgitation.

More commonly in seed and grain eating birds, there is instead a crop which
is a larger swelling of the esophagus itself. Food remains there, being
softened, until the stomach can accommodate it.

Gleaning from this text, it would seem that grosbeaks might be sticking
hulled seeds in these sacs, rather than storing them in their beaks, before
returning to their young.... It raises some interesting questions! It’s
hard to tell where those little kernels are being stashed!

Sarah Root
Maryland

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 30, 2020, at 6:05 PM, Charles Scheim <scheimc...> [osbirds] <
<osbirds...> wrote:



Corvids... automatic word correction snafu! 😄😄

The marathon continues...

On Jun 30, 2020, at 2:01 PM, Charles Scheim <scheimc...> wrote:

Be careful here. Carrying Food is generally not an acceptable code for
Corbin’s, since they do so all year round.
CS


The marathon continues...

On Jun 30, 2020, at 11:02 AM, Gerianne Carillo <gerianne...>
[osbirds] <osbirds...> wrote:



Hi Tom,

Sad about the logging going on nearby. Too bad that can’t be better timed.

So - If I see a Blue Jay filling its “gullet” with food to carry off, I can
count that as carrying food? They do it so often for their winter caches
that I think I’ve gotten numb to it!

Gerianne
Milford Village


On Jun 30, 2020, at 7:16 AM, Thomas Salo <salothomas...> [osbirds] <
<osbirds...> wrote:

The same here, also with Purple Finches. There is occasionally a single
female grosbeak.

Some fledgling and female Purple Finches are in the mix but more males
than females. I've been watching them closely. The male cardinal has been
feeding young from the feeder. 5 species were confirmed breeding by birds
either feeding young, or carrying off loads of seeds.

I assume most grosbeaks are birds that did not breed. Other possibilities
include failed nesters and successful breeders hauling away food. Study
their beaks. So far, ive not seen a grosbeak carrying sunflower seeds.

There is extensive logging going on west of me.. I am thinking a lot of
nests failed.

Tom Salo


On Tue, Jun 30, 2020, 6:59 AM Sarah Root <sarah...>
[osbirds] <osbirds...> wrote:

> We’ve been seeing 2-3 adult male RB Grosbeaks (full plumage) at our feeder
> at the same time, over the last 2-3 weeks. Female is never present. We
> suppose these are non- singing first year males, tolerated by our oft-seen
> pair of grosbeaks. Can’t find anything in the literature about it.. Thoughts?
> Sarah Root
> Maryland
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> ------------------------------------
> Posted by: Sarah Root <sarah...>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Visit OSBirds website at:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/osbirds
>
> Post message: <osbirds...>
> Subscribe: <osbirds-subscribe...>
> Unsubscribe: <osbirds-unsubscribe...>
> List owner: <osbirds-owner...>
>
> All postings to osbirds are protected by copyright law.
>
> ------------------------------------
>
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>
>
>
>


 

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Date: 7/1/20 8:09 am
From: Sarah Root <sarah...> [osbirds] <osbirds...>
Subject: Re: [osbirds] RB grosbeaks
I’ve been reading in the literature that many seed eating birds, especially finches, have paired sacs either in the mouth cavity or on the sides of the esophagus, used as storage bags for food. This not a crop. The accumulated seeds or insects may later be swallowed, or fed to young by regurgitation.

More commonly in seed and grain eating birds, there is instead a crop which is a larger swelling of the esophagus itself. Food remains there, being softened, until the stomach can accommodate it.

Gleaning from this text, it would seem that grosbeaks might be sticking hulled seeds in these sacs, rather than storing them in their beaks, before returning to their young.... It raises some interesting questions! It’s hard to tell where those little kernels are being stashed!

Sarah Root
Maryland

Sent from my iPhone

>> On Jun 30, 2020, at 6:05 PM, Charles Scheim <scheimc...> [osbirds] <osbirds...> wrote:
> 
> Corvids... automatic word correction snafu! 😄😄
>
>
> The marathon continues...
>
>> On Jun 30, 2020, at 2:01 PM, Charles Scheim <scheimc...> wrote:
>>
>> Be careful here. Carrying Food is generally not an acceptable code for Corbin’s, since they do so all year round.
>> CS
>>
>>
>> The marathon continues...
>>
>>> On Jun 30, 2020, at 11:02 AM, Gerianne Carillo <gerianne...> [osbirds] <osbirds...> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Tom,
>>>
>>>
>>> Sad about the logging going on nearby. Too bad that can’t be better timed.
>>>
>>> So - If I see a Blue Jay filling its “gullet” with food to carry off, I can count that as carrying food? They do it so often for their winter caches that I think I’ve gotten numb to it!
>>>
>>> Gerianne
>>> Milford Village
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Jun 30, 2020, at 7:16 AM, Thomas Salo <salothomas...> [osbirds] <osbirds...> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> The same here, also with Purple Finches. There is occasionally a single female grosbeak.
>>>>
>>>> Some fledgling and female Purple Finches are in the mix but more males than females. I've been watching them closely. The male cardinal has been feeding young from the feeder. 5 species were confirmed breeding by birds either feeding young, or carrying off loads of seeds.
>>>>
>>>> I assume most grosbeaks are birds that did not breed. Other possibilities include failed nesters and successful breeders hauling away food. Study their beaks. So far, ive not seen a grosbeak carrying sunflower seeds.
>>>>
>>>> There is extensive logging going on west of me.. I am thinking a lot of nests failed.
>>>>
>>>> Tom Salo
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020, 6:59 AM Sarah Root <sarah...> [osbirds] <osbirds...> wrote:
>>>>> We’ve been seeing 2-3 adult male RB Grosbeaks (full plumage) at our feeder at the same time, over the last 2-3 weeks. Female is never present. We suppose these are non- singing first year males, tolerated by our oft-seen pair of grosbeaks. Can’t find anything in the literature about it. Thoughts?
>>>>> Sarah Root
>>>>> Maryland
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------------
>>>>> Posted by: Sarah Root <sarah...>
>>>>> ------------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Visit OSBirds website at:
>>>>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/osbirds
>>>>>
>>>>> Post message: <osbirds...>
>>>>> Subscribe: <osbirds-subscribe...>
>>>>> Unsubscribe: <osbirds-unsubscribe...>
>>>>> List owner: <osbirds-owner...>
>>>>>
>>>>> All postings to osbirds are protected by copyright law.
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Yahoo Groups Links
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>

 

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Date: 6/30/20 3:06 pm
From: Charles Scheim <scheimc...> [osbirds] <osbirds...>
Subject: Re: [osbirds] RB grosbeaks
Corvids... automatic word correction snafu! 😄😄

The marathon continues...

On Jun 30, 2020, at 2:01 PM, Charles Scheim <scheimc...> wrote:

Be careful here. Carrying Food is generally not an acceptable code for
Corbin’s, since they do so all year round.
CS


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On Jun 30, 2020, at 11:02 AM, Gerianne Carillo <gerianne...>
[osbirds] <osbirds...> wrote:



Hi Tom,

Sad about the logging going on nearby. Too bad that can’t be better timed.

So - If I see a Blue Jay filling its “gullet” with food to carry off, I can
count that as carrying food? They do it so often for their winter caches
that I think I’ve gotten numb to it!

Gerianne
Milford Village


On Jun 30, 2020, at 7:16 AM, Thomas Salo <salothomas...> [osbirds] <
<osbirds...> wrote:

The same here, also with Purple Finches. There is occasionally a single
female grosbeak.

Some fledgling and female Purple Finches are in the mix but more males
than females. I've been watching them closely. The male cardinal has been
feeding young from the feeder. 5 species were confirmed breeding by birds
either feeding young, or carrying off loads of seeds.

I assume most grosbeaks are birds that did not breed. Other possibilities
include failed nesters and successful breeders hauling away food. Study
their beaks. So far, ive not seen a grosbeak carrying sunflower seeds.

There is extensive logging going on west of me.. I am thinking a lot of
nests failed.

Tom Salo


On Tue, Jun 30, 2020, 6:59 AM Sarah Root <sarah...>
[osbirds] <osbirds...> wrote:

> We’ve been seeing 2-3 adult male RB Grosbeaks (full plumage) at our feeder
> at the same time, over the last 2-3 weeks. Female is never present. We
> suppose these are non- singing first year males, tolerated by our oft-seen
> pair of grosbeaks. Can’t find anything in the literature about it.. Thoughts?
> Sarah Root
> Maryland
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Date: 6/30/20 11:21 am
From: Charles Scheim <scheimc...> [osbirds] <osbirds...>
Subject: Re: [osbirds] RB grosbeaks
Be careful here. Carrying Food is generally not an acceptable code for
Corbin’s, since they do so all year round.
CS


The marathon continues...

On Jun 30, 2020, at 11:02 AM, Gerianne Carillo <gerianne...>
[osbirds] <osbirds...> wrote:



Hi Tom,

Sad about the logging going on nearby. Too bad that can’t be better timed.

So - If I see a Blue Jay filling its “gullet” with food to carry off, I can
count that as carrying food? They do it so often for their winter caches
that I think I’ve gotten numb to it!

Gerianne
Milford Village


On Jun 30, 2020, at 7:16 AM, Thomas Salo <salothomas...> [osbirds] <
<osbirds...> wrote:

The same here, also with Purple Finches. There is occasionally a single
female grosbeak.

Some fledgling and female Purple Finches are in the mix but more males
than females. I've been watching them closely. The male cardinal has been
feeding young from the feeder. 5 species were confirmed breeding by birds
either feeding young, or carrying off loads of seeds.

I assume most grosbeaks are birds that did not breed. Other possibilities
include failed nesters and successful breeders hauling away food. Study
their beaks. So far, ive not seen a grosbeak carrying sunflower seeds.

There is extensive logging going on west of me.. I am thinking a lot of
nests failed.

Tom Salo


On Tue, Jun 30, 2020, 6:59 AM Sarah Root <sarah...>
[osbirds] <osbirds...> wrote:

> We’ve been seeing 2-3 adult male RB Grosbeaks (full plumage) at our feeder
> at the same time, over the last 2-3 weeks. Female is never present. We
> suppose these are non- singing first year males, tolerated by our oft-seen
> pair of grosbeaks. Can’t find anything in the literature about it.. Thoughts?
> Sarah Root
> Maryland
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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Date: 6/30/20 10:08 am
From: Jessie Ravage <jravage...> [osbirds] <osbirds...>
Subject: [osbirds] Solitary Loon
When I jumped into Otsego Lake this morning, a loon was in the middle of the
lake about 3/4 mi north of Cooperstown. I don’t think I’ve ever seen one so
far south.

Jessie Ravage





 

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Date: 6/30/20 8:52 am
From: Thomas Salo <salothomas...> [osbirds] <osbirds...>
Subject: Re: [osbirds] RB grosbeaks
The atlas information says not to use carrying food (CF) for corvids and
raptors since they carry food for other purposes. Gulls too, I think.

That said, I've used the code for both a corvid and a raptor. I made sure
to include an explanation as to why I think it is a legitimate use. For the
crow it was carrying food into a trees from which begging was coming. A
Broad-winged Hawk was observed using powered flight at tree top level for a
quarter mile. This is incredibly inefficient for a soaring bird. It was on
a mission and not going off to a leisurely lunch. It was also flying
towards a spot where we saw another hawk.

This document is on the atlas portal. It shows their acceptable codes -
https://s3.amazonaws.com/is-ebird-wordpress-prod-s3/wp-content/uploads/sites/79/2020/01/Breeding-Guideline-Bar-Chart_20200131.pdf

If you use an unacceptable code without an explanation, I expect that
record to be culled later. Null and void.

Birds we confirmed at the feeder were jays, cardinals and WB nuts feeding
young. Also, RB and Hairy Woodpeckers were loading up and carrying food.
They loaded up with seeds. It's pretty interesting to watch them opening
seeds while holding several in their beak.

Tom Salo


On Tue, Jun 30, 2020, 11:22 AM Gerianne Carillo <gerianne...>
[osbirds] <osbirds...> wrote:

>
>
> Hi Tom,
>
> Sad about the logging going on nearby. Too bad that can’t be better timed.
>
> So - If I see a Blue Jay filling its “gullet” with food to carry off, I
> can count that as carrying food? They do it so often for their winter
> caches that I think I’ve gotten numb to it!
>
> Gerianne
> Milford Village
>
>
> On Jun 30, 2020, at 7:16 AM, Thomas Salo <salothomas...> [osbirds] <
> <osbirds...> wrote:
>
> The same here, also with Purple Finches. There is occasionally a single
> female grosbeak.
>
> Some fledgling and female Purple Finches are in the mix but more males
> than females. I've been watching them closely. The male cardinal has been
> feeding young from the feeder. 5 species were confirmed breeding by birds
> either feeding young, or carrying off loads of seeds.
>
> I assume most grosbeaks are birds that did not breed. Other possibilities
> include failed nesters and successful breeders hauling away food. Study
> their beaks. So far, ive not seen a grosbeak carrying sunflower seeds.
>
> There is extensive logging going on west of me.. I am thinking a lot of
> nests failed.
>
> Tom Salo
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020, 6:59 AM Sarah Root <sarah...>
> [osbirds] <osbirds...> wrote:
>
>> We’ve been seeing 2-3 adult male RB Grosbeaks (full plumage) at our
>> feeder at the same time, over the last 2-3 weeks. Female is never present.
>> We suppose these are non- singing first year males, tolerated by our
>> oft-seen pair of grosbeaks. Can’t find anything in the literature about it.
>> Thoughts?
>> Sarah Root
>> Maryland
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>
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Date: 6/30/20 8:23 am
From: Gerianne Carillo <gerianne...> [osbirds] <osbirds...>
Subject: Re: [osbirds] RB grosbeaks
Hi Tom,

Sad about the logging going on nearby. Too bad that can’t be better timed.

So - If I see a Blue Jay filling its “gullet” with food to carry off, I can count that as carrying food? They do it so often for their winter caches that I think I’ve gotten numb to it!

Gerianne
Milford Village


> On Jun 30, 2020, at 7:16 AM, Thomas Salo <salothomas...> [osbirds] <osbirds...> wrote:
>
>
>
> The same here, also with Purple Finches. There is occasionally a single female grosbeak.
>
> Some fledgling and female Purple Finches are in the mix but more males than females. I've been watching them closely. The male cardinal has been feeding young from the feeder. 5 species were confirmed breeding by birds either feeding young, or carrying off loads of seeds.
>
> I assume most grosbeaks are birds that did not breed. Other possibilities include failed nesters and successful breeders hauling away food. Study their beaks. So far, ive not seen a grosbeak carrying sunflower seeds.
>
> There is extensive logging going on west of me.. I am thinking a lot of nests failed.
>
> Tom Salo
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020, 6:59 AM Sarah Root <sarah...> <mailto:<sarah...> [osbirds] <osbirds...> <mailto:<osbirds...> wrote:
> We’ve been seeing 2-3 adult male RB Grosbeaks (full plumage) at our feeder at the same time, over the last 2-3 weeks. Female is never present. We suppose these are non- singing first year males, tolerated by our oft-seen pair of grosbeaks. Can’t find anything in the literature about it. Thoughts?
> Sarah Root
> Maryland
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
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Date: 6/30/20 8:00 am
From: Gerianne Carillo <gerianne...> [osbirds] <osbirds...>
Subject: Re: [osbirds] Incomplete checklists
Hi Sandy,

Yes, I can relate to your sentiments here, thank you! I feel like, when I’m out in the yard and I see a recent fledgling, or a bird carrying food, I want to record that, but not necessarily all the other suspects that are present, and that I’ve recorded before.

Again, I think I will do a more complete checklist more often, in light of yours and Charlie’s comments.

Thank you for your input!

Gerianne

> On Jun 27, 2020, at 7:56 PM, 'Bright, Sandy' <brights...> [osbirds] <osbirds...> wrote:
>
>
>
> I would add one thing to Charlie's explanation. In general I try, for the sake of the science, to create a complete checklist. However, when I am going to the same area for the dozenth time, I don't. For one thing, I don't feel science is furthered by my recording all of the robins, grackles, etc. that I see when I recorded them all a week or so ago. For another, my focus is on finding evidence of breeding, and I don't want to spend time on species that have already been confirmed in that area. If it's been a few weeks since I visited that area, I do make the effort to create a complete checklist.
>
> On Sat, Jun 27, 2020 at 7:47 PM 'Scheim, Charles' <scheimc...> <mailto:<scheimc...> [osbirds] <osbirds...> <mailto:<osbirds...>> wrote:
>
> When you submit an eBird checklist, eBird wants to know if you're submitting a "complete" checklist. An "incomplete" checklist is not a negative judgement, nor is a "complete" list a positive judgement. But you do have to answer one way or the other to submit the checklist.
>
> You should answer yes if you've listed all the species that you encountered and were able to identify. Your numbers don't have to be accurate, but the species list should be. For example, if you saw Red-winged Blackbirds, it's not necessary to have counted them all, but you should list some of them.
>
> On the other hand, if you're only recording the species you think are "interesting", and perhaps. for example. not even listing that you saw robins and grackles and blackbirds and etc, the you answer that your checklist is "incomplete". Sandy and I take this approach maybe half the time, just because we don't feel like entering all the "usual suspects", just the ones that make a difference for our block list.
>
> Ideally, the ornithologists at Cornell would like all checklists to be "complete", of course, for their own research goals.. But sometimes a birder might choose not to do so. The list is "accepted" no matter which choice you make, and all the sightings are credited to your atlas block all the same..
> Charlie
>
> On Sat, Jun 27, 2020 at 7:19 PM Gerianne Carillo <gerianne...> <mailto:<gerianne...> [osbirds] <osbirds...> <mailto:<osbirds...>> wrote:
>
> Hi to all of you who do BBA,
>
> I just went on the site to look around, and I noticed that the site says I only have 2 or 3 complete checklists. What do I have to do to complete all the other checklists I’ve done? Why would it be that my checklists are considered incomplete?
>
> Thank you!
> Gerianne
>
> Gerianne Carillo
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>
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Date: 6/30/20 7:57 am
From: Gerianne Carillo <gerianne...> [osbirds] <osbirds...>
Subject: Re: [osbirds] Incomplete checklists
This makes sense, Charlie. Thank you.
Yes, often when I am in my yard and I see something that is interesting for the atlas, I record only that, and not the other birds milling around as well. And I check “no” on the question about logging all the birds I could identify. So it all makes sense to me.

I will keep in mind that they prefer complete checklists, and be more vigilant about that too.

Thanks again for your answer, Charlie!

Gerianne
Milford Village


> On Jun 27, 2020, at 7:46 PM, 'Scheim, Charles' <scheimc...> [osbirds] <osbirds...> wrote:
>
>
>
> When you submit an eBird checklist, eBird wants to know if you're submitting a "complete" checklist. An "incomplete" checklist is not a negative judgement, nor is a "complete" list a positive judgement. But you do have to answer one way or the other to submit the checklist.
>
> You should answer yes if you've listed all the species that you encountered and were able to identify. Your numbers don't have to be accurate, but the species list should be. For example, if you saw Red-winged Blackbirds, it's not necessary to have counted them all, but you should list some of them.
>
> On the other hand, if you're only recording the species you think are "interesting", and perhaps. for example. not even listing that you saw robins and grackles and blackbirds and etc, the you answer that your checklist is "incomplete". Sandy and I take this approach maybe half the time, just because we don't feel like entering all the "usual suspects", just the ones that make a difference for our block list.
>
> Ideally, the ornithologists at Cornell would like all checklists to be "complete", of course, for their own research goals.. But sometimes a birder might choose not to do so. The list is "accepted" no matter which choice you make, and all the sightings are credited to your atlas block all the same..
> Charlie
>
> On Sat, Jun 27, 2020 at 7:19 PM Gerianne Carillo <gerianne...> <mailto:<gerianne...> [osbirds] <osbirds...> <mailto:<osbirds...>> wrote:
> Hi to all of you who do BBA,
>
> I just went on the site to look around, and I noticed that the site says I only have 2 or 3 complete checklists. What do I have to do to complete all the other checklists I’ve done? Why would it be that my checklists are considered incomplete?
>
> Thank you!
> Gerianne
>
> Gerianne Carillo
> Sent from my iPad
> Milford Village
>
>
>
> --
> The marathon continues...
>
> Dr. Charles H. Scheim
> Mathematics Dept (Retired)
> Hartwick College
>
>
>
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Date: 6/30/20 4:57 am
From: Sarah Root <sarah...> [osbirds] <osbirds...>
Subject: Re: [osbirds] RB grosbeaks
Very helpful, thank you!
Sarah

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 30, 2020, at 7:17 AM, Thomas Salo <salothomas...> [osbirds] <osbirds...> wrote:
>
> 
> The same here, also with Purple Finches. There is occasionally a single female grosbeak.
>
> Some fledgling and female Purple Finches are in the mix but more males than females. I've been watching them closely. The male cardinal has been feeding young from the feeder. 5 species were confirmed breeding by birds either feeding young, or carrying off loads of seeds.
>
> I assume most grosbeaks are birds that did not breed. Other possibilities include failed nesters and successful breeders hauling away food. Study their beaks. So far, ive not seen a grosbeak carrying sunflower seeds.
>
> There is extensive logging going on west of me. I am thinking a lot of nests failed.
>
> Tom Salo
>
>
>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020, 6:59 AM Sarah Root <sarah...> [osbirds] <osbirds...> wrote:
>> We’ve been seeing 2-3 adult male RB Grosbeaks (full plumage) at our feeder at the same time, over the last 2-3 weeks. Female is never present. We suppose these are non- singing first year males, tolerated by our oft-seen pair of grosbeaks. Can’t find anything in the literature about it. Thoughts?
>> Sarah Root
>> Maryland
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Date: 6/30/20 4:17 am
From: Thomas Salo <salothomas...> [osbirds] <osbirds...>
Subject: Re: [osbirds] RB grosbeaks
The same here, also with Purple Finches. There is occasionally a single
female grosbeak.

Some fledgling and female Purple Finches are in the mix but more males
than females. I've been watching them closely. The male cardinal has been
feeding young from the feeder. 5 species were confirmed breeding by birds
either feeding young, or carrying off loads of seeds.

I assume most grosbeaks are birds that did not breed. Other possibilities
include failed nesters and successful breeders hauling away food. Study
their beaks. So far, ive not seen a grosbeak carrying sunflower seeds.

There is extensive logging going on west of me. I am thinking a lot of
nests failed.

Tom Salo


On Tue, Jun 30, 2020, 6:59 AM Sarah Root <sarah...>
[osbirds] <osbirds...> wrote:

> We’ve been seeing 2-3 adult male RB Grosbeaks (full plumage) at our feeder
> at the same time, over the last 2-3 weeks. Female is never present. We
> suppose these are non- singing first year males, tolerated by our oft-seen
> pair of grosbeaks. Can’t find anything in the literature about it.. Thoughts?
> Sarah Root
> Maryland
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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Date: 6/30/20 3:59 am
From: Sarah Root <sarah...> [osbirds] <osbirds...>
Subject: [osbirds] RB grosbeaks
We’ve been seeing 2-3 adult male RB Grosbeaks (full plumage) at our feeder at the same time, over the last 2-3 weeks. Female is never present. We suppose these are non- singing first year males, tolerated by our oft-seen pair of grosbeaks. Can’t find anything in the literature about it. Thoughts?
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Date: 6/27/20 5:02 pm
From: David Diaz <dmdiaz73...> [osbirds] <osbirds...>
Subject: Re: [osbirds] Re: Yellow-breasted chat


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> On Jun 27, 2020, at 5:54 PM, David Diaz <dmdiaz73...> wrote:
>
>  Definitely going to do that, and with the recording as well
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>>> On Jun 27, 2020, at 5:05 PM, Thomas Salo <salothomas...> [osbirds] <osbirds...> wrote:
>>>
>> 
>> I would crop that and put it on ebird.
>>
>> Tom Salo
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>> West Burlington, NY 13482
>>
>> On Sat, Jun 27, 2020 at 4:47 PM David Diaz <dmdiaz73...> [osbirds] <
>> <osbirds...> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >
>> > Forgot to attached the photo
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Sent from my iPhone
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>> > On Jun 27, 2020, at 4:46 PM, David Diaz <dmdiaz73...> wrote:
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>> > Got a photo through my binoculars. Not great but you can tell what it
>> > is. 4:45pm
>> >
>> > David
>> >
>> > Sent from my iPhone
>> >
>> > On Jun 27, 2020, at 8:49 AM, David Diaz <dmdiaz73...> wrote:
>> >
>> > 
>> > We’re having a bird survey done at Parslow Road Conservation Area (Otsego
>> > Land Trust property) by Matt Young. There’s a singing YELLOW-BREASTED CHAT!
>> > Recording was texted to me.
>> >
>> > Apparently still singing as of 8:45am. Below is the GOOGLE MAPS pin.
>> >
>> > 42°44'17.9"N 75°00'46.2"W <https://goo.gl/maps/j6GYsMprzMf3JjVk6>
>> >
>> > David Diaz
>> > Cooperstown, NY
>> >
>> > Sent from my iPhone
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
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Date: 6/27/20 4:56 pm
From: 'Bright, Sandy' <brights...> [osbirds] <osbirds...>
Subject: Re: [osbirds] Incomplete checklists
I would add one thing to Charlie's explanation. In general I try, for the
sake of the science, to create a complete checklist. However, when I am
going to the same area for the dozenth time, I don't. For one thing, I
don't feel science is furthered by my recording all of the robins,
grackles, etc. that I see when I recorded them all a week or so ago. For
another, my focus is on finding evidence of breeding, and I don't want to
spend time on species that have already been confirmed in that area. If
it's been a few weeks since I visited that area, I do make the effort to
create a complete checklist.

On Sat, Jun 27, 2020 at 7:47 PM 'Scheim, Charles' <scheimc...>
[osbirds] <osbirds...> wrote:

>
>
> When you submit an eBird checklist, eBird wants to know if you're
> submitting a "complete" checklist. An "incomplete" checklist is not a
> negative judgement, nor is a "complete" list a positive judgement. But you
> do have to answer one way or the other to submit the checklist.
>
> You should answer yes if you've listed all the species that you
> encountered and were able to identify. Your numbers don't have to be
> accurate, but the species list should be. For example, if you saw
> Red-winged Blackbirds, it's not necessary to have counted them all, but you
> should list some of them.
>
> On the other hand, if you're only recording the species you think are
> "interesting", and perhaps. for example. not even listing that you saw
> robins and grackles and blackbirds and etc, the you answer that your
> checklist is "incomplete". Sandy and I take this approach maybe half the
> time, just because we don't feel like entering all the "usual suspects",
> just the ones that make a difference for our block list.
>
> Ideally, the ornithologists at Cornell would like all checklists to be
> "complete", of course, for their own research goals.. But sometimes a
> birder might choose not to do so. The list is "accepted" no matter which
> choice you make, and all the sightings are credited to your atlas block all
> the same.
> Charlie
>
> On Sat, Jun 27, 2020 at 7:19 PM Gerianne Carillo <gerianne...>
> [osbirds] <osbirds...> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Hi to all of you who do BBA,
>>
>> I just went on the site to look around, and I noticed that the site says
>> I only have 2 or 3 complete checklists. What do I have to do to complete
>> all the other checklists I’ve done? Why would it be that my checklists are
>> considered incomplete?
>>
>> Thank you!
>> Gerianne
>>
>> Gerianne Carillo
>> Sent from my iPad
>> Milford Village
>>
>
>
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>
> Dr. Charles H. Scheim
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>
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Date: 6/27/20 4:47 pm
From: 'Scheim, Charles' <scheimc...> [osbirds] <osbirds...>
Subject: Re: [osbirds] Incomplete checklists
When you submit an eBird checklist, eBird wants to know if you're
submitting a "complete" checklist. An "incomplete" checklist is not a
negative judgement, nor is a "complete" list a positive judgement. But you
do have to answer one way or the other to submit the checklist.

You should answer yes if you've listed all the species that you encountered
and were able to identify. Your numbers don't have to be accurate, but the
species list should be. For example, if you saw Red-winged Blackbirds, it's
not necessary to have counted them all, but you should list some of them.

On the other hand, if you're only recording the species you think are
"interesting", and perhaps. for example. not even listing that you saw
robins and grackles and blackbirds and etc, the you answer that your
checklist is "incomplete". Sandy and I take this approach maybe half the
time, just because we don't feel like entering all the "usual suspects",
just the ones that make a difference for our block list.

Ideally, the ornithologists at Cornell would like all checklists to be
"complete", of course, for their own research goals.. But sometimes a
birder might choose not to do so. The list is "accepted" no matter which
choice you make, and all the sightings are credited to your atlas block all
the same.
Charlie

On Sat, Jun 27, 2020 at 7:19 PM Gerianne Carillo <gerianne...>
[osbirds] <osbirds...> wrote:

>
>
> Hi to all of you who do BBA,
>
> I just went on the site to look around, and I noticed that the site says I
> only have 2 or 3 complete checklists. What do I have to do to complete all
> the other checklists I’ve done? Why would it be that my checklists are
> considered incomplete?
>
> Thank you!
> Gerianne
>
> Gerianne Carillo
> Sent from my iPad
> Milford Village
>
>


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Date: 6/27/20 4:19 pm
From: Gerianne Carillo <gerianne...> [osbirds] <osbirds...>
Subject: [osbirds] Incomplete checklists
Hi to all of you who do BBA,

I just went on the site to look around, and I noticed that the site says I only have 2 or 3 complete checklists. What do I have to do to complete all the other checklists I’ve done? Why would it be that my checklists are considered incomplete?

Thank you!
Gerianne

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Date: 6/27/20 4:12 pm
From: <shall71ge...> [osbirds] <osbirds...>
Subject: [osbirds] osprey nest
There is a nest on Marginal Rd in Herkimer.


 

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Date: 6/27/20 2:54 pm
From: David Diaz <dmdiaz73...> [osbirds] <osbirds...>
Subject: Re: [osbirds] Re: Yellow-breasted chat
Definitely going to do that, and with the recording as well

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 27, 2020, at 5:05 PM, Thomas Salo <salothomas...> [osbirds] <osbirds...> wrote:
>
> 
> I would crop that and put it on ebird.
>
> Tom Salo
> 5145 State Highway 51
> West Burlington, NY 13482
>
> On Sat, Jun 27, 2020 at 4:47 PM David Diaz <dmdiaz73...> [osbirds] <
> <osbirds...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Forgot to attached the photo
> >
> >
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Jun 27, 2020, at 4:46 PM, David Diaz <dmdiaz73...> wrote:
> >
> > Got a photo through my binoculars. Not great but you can tell what it
> > is. 4:45pm
> >
> > David
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Jun 27, 2020, at 8:49 AM, David Diaz <dmdiaz73...> wrote:
> >
> > 
> > We’re having a bird survey done at Parslow Road Conservation Area (Otsego
> > Land Trust property) by Matt Young. There’s a singing YELLOW-BREASTED CHAT!
> > Recording was texted to me.
> >
> > Apparently still singing as of 8:45am. Below is the GOOGLE MAPS pin.
> >
> > 42°44'17.9"N 75°00'46.2"W <https://goo.gl/maps/j6GYsMprzMf3JjVk6>
> >
> > David Diaz
> > Cooperstown, NY
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
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Date: 6/27/20 2:05 pm
From: Thomas Salo <salothomas...> [osbirds] <osbirds...>
Subject: Re: [osbirds] Re: Yellow-breasted chat
I would crop that and put it on ebird.

Tom Salo
5145 State Highway 51
West Burlington, NY 13482


On Sat, Jun 27, 2020 at 4:47 PM David Diaz <dmdiaz73...> [osbirds] <
<osbirds...> wrote:

>
>
> Forgot to attached the photo
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 27, 2020, at 4:46 PM, David Diaz <dmdiaz73...> wrote:
>
> Got a photo through my binoculars. Not great but you can tell what it
> is. 4:45pm
>
> David
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 27, 2020, at 8:49 AM, David Diaz <dmdiaz73...> wrote:
>
> 
> We’re having a bird survey done at Parslow Road Conservation Area (Otsego
> Land Trust property) by Matt Young. There’s a singing YELLOW-BREASTED CHAT!
> Recording was texted to me.
>
> Apparently still singing as of 8:45am. Below is the GOOGLE MAPS pin.
>
> 42°44'17.9"N 75°00'46.2"W <https://goo.gl/maps/j6GYsMprzMf3JjVk6>
>
> David Diaz
> Cooperstown, NY
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
>


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Date: 6/27/20 1:54 pm
From: Thomas Salo <salothomas...> [osbirds] <osbirds...>
Subject: Re: [osbirds] Re: Yellow-breasted chat
I don't recall any Otsego records. Will you post the photo with your ebird
report?

Tom Salo
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West Burlington, NY 13482


On Sat, Jun 27, 2020 at 4:47 PM David Diaz <dmdiaz73...> [osbirds] <
<osbirds...> wrote:

>
>
> Got a photo through my binoculars. Not great but you can tell what it is.
> 4:45pm
>
> David
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 27, 2020, at 8:49 AM, David Diaz <dmdiaz73...> wrote:
>
> 
> We’re having a bird survey done at Parslow Road Conservation Area (Otsego
> Land Trust property) by Matt Young. There’s a singing YELLOW-BREASTED CHAT!
> Recording was texted to me.
>
> Apparently still singing as of 8:45am. Below is the GOOGLE MAPS pin.
>
> 42°44'17.9"N 75°00'46.2"W <https://goo.gl/maps/j6GYsMprzMf3JjVk6>
>
> David Diaz
> Cooperstown, NY
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
>

 

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Date: 6/27/20 1:48 pm
From: David Diaz <dmdiaz73...> [osbirds] <osbirds...>
Subject: [osbirds] Re: Yellow-breasted chat
Forgot to attached the photo



Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 27, 2020, at 4:46 PM, David Diaz <dmdiaz73...> wrote:
>
> Got a photo through my binoculars. Not great but you can tell what it is. 4:45pm
>
> David
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>>> On Jun 27, 2020, at 8:49 AM, David Diaz <dmdiaz73...> wrote:
>>>
>> 
>> We’re having a bird survey done at Parslow Road Conservation Area (Otsego Land Trust property) by Matt Young. There’s a singing YELLOW-BREASTED CHAT! Recording was texted to me.
>>
>> Apparently still singing as of 8:45am. Below is the GOOGLE MAPS pin.
>>
>> 42°44'17.9"N 75°00'46.2"W
>>
>> David Diaz
>> Cooperstown, NY
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone

 

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Date: 6/27/20 1:47 pm
From: David Diaz <dmdiaz73...> [osbirds] <osbirds...>
Subject: [osbirds] Re: Yellow-breasted chat
Got a photo through my binoculars. Not great but you can tell what it is. 4:45pm

David

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 27, 2020, at 8:49 AM, David Diaz <dmdiaz73...> wrote:
>
> 
> We’re having a bird survey done at Parslow Road Conservation Area (Otsego Land Trust property) by Matt Young. There’s a singing YELLOW-BREASTED CHAT! Recording was texted to me.
>
> Apparently still singing as of 8:45am. Below is the GOOGLE MAPS pin.
>
> 42°44'17.9"N 75°00'46.2"W
>
> David Diaz
> Cooperstown, NY
>
> Sent from my iPhone

 

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Date: 6/27/20 7:59 am
From: Suzanne Gaynor <suzanne.gaynor5...> [osbirds] <osbirds...>
Subject: [osbirds] Tanager and baby
I had a lovely experience this morning. Took the dog for a walk in the
woods (East Meredith) in the then-light rain. I can only do anecdotal
birding at this stage in my puppy's behavior, so I didn't have my
binoculars and in fact hadn't even worn my eyeglasses - they would just get
wet. Despite that, at one point on the walk I heard and saw a male scarlet
tanager about 10 feet up in a tree making tsk-ing sounds not even like the
usual chik-burr alarm call. He just made tsk tsk sounds repeatedly. I
watched him for a moment and then spotted a baby bird on a branch about 2
feet off the ground just below him. It was clear the male was annoyed by
our presence. There may have been more babies nearby but without my glasses
or binocs and with a curious lab, I didn't want to take a chance of
interfering with them further. I watched from a little farther away as the
male calmed down and the baby just stayed put. Even with my limited vision
I chalked that up to recently fledged young.
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Date: 6/27/20 5:49 am
From: David Diaz <dmdiaz73...> [osbirds] <osbirds...>
Subject: [osbirds] Yellow-breasted chat
We’re having a bird survey done at Parslow Road Conservation Area (Otsego Land Trust property) by Matt Young. There’s a singing YELLOW-BREASTED CHAT! Recording was texted to me.

Apparently still singing as of 8:45am. Below is the GOOGLE MAPS pin.

42°44'17.9"N 75°00'46.2"W

David Diaz
Cooperstown, NY

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Date: 6/26/20 8:01 am
From: Thomas Salo <salothomas...> [osbirds] <osbirds...>
Subject: Re: [osbirds] osprey nest
Thanks Steve,

That nest has not been reported for the breeding bird atlas.

Tom

On Thu, Jun 25, 2020, 7:51 PM <shall71ge...> [osbirds] <
<osbirds...> wrote:

>
>
> there is a activeOsprey nest across from the Frankfort Marina.That is
> the only Osprey nest I know in sout hernHerkimer cty.
>
>
>

 

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Date: 6/25/20 4:51 pm
From: <shall71ge...> [osbirds] <osbirds...>
Subject: [osbirds] ospre y nest
there is a activeOsprey nest across from the Frankfort Marina.That is
the only Osprey nest I know in sout hernHerkimer cty.


 

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Date: 6/21/20 12:34 pm
From: Thomas Salo <salothomas...> [osbirds] <osbirds...>
Subject: Re: [osbirds] On feeling bad for Blue Jays
David,

That is fascinating and noteworthy. I remember reading a journal article
about ravens doing something similar. If it was significant enough to
publish about ravens, jays are even more interesting.

Tom Salo
5145 State Highway 51
West Burlington, NY 13482


On Sun, Jun 21, 2020 at 9:18 AM David Diaz <dmdiaz73...> [osbirds] <
<osbirds...> wrote:

>
>
> Forgive me if I’ve already shared this bluejay story.
>
> While deer hunting in Pharsalia Wildlife Management Area about 12-13 years
> ago, I watched four blue jays, hunt down a mixed flock of chickadees and
> titmice. Cooperative hunting!
>
> Two SILENTLY lied in wait while the others chased the mixed flock towards
> them, raising quite a ruckus! The two lying in wait then burst out at the
> mixed flock. Result was one dead titmouse being plucked and eaten about 20
> feet from me.
>
> You see a lot when sitting quietly for hours!
>
> David Diaz
> Cooperstown, NY
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 21, 2020, at 6:34 AM, Jessie Ravage <jravage...> [osbirds] <
> <osbirds...> wrote:
>
> 
>
> Or, more pedestrian, eat or be eaten. Jessie Ravage
>
> From: <osbirds...> on behalf of "DennisFowler
> <dennisf6...> [osbirds]" <osbirds...>
> <osbirds...>>
> Reply-To: <osbirds...>
> Date: Saturday, June 20, 2020 at 3:51 PM
> To: <osbirds...>
> Subject: Re: [osbirds] On feeling bad for Blue Jays
>
>
>
> On 06/20/2020 01:23 PM, Alice Pantaleoni <alicehp24...> [osbirds]
> wrote:
>
> Yes, but at least it killed it before eating it. Many years ago I saw a
> red squirrel run up a pine tree with a large Blue Jay nestling it had
> snatched, the parents going wild around it but with nothing they or I could
> do about it. The squirrel then sat on a high branch and began eating the
> poor bird alive, chewing on a wing as it screamed helplessly. Nature,
> in all its brutal gruesome-ness (to me, since I root for Team Bird).
>
> "Nature red in tooth and claw" Often quoted, is from one of Alfred Lord
> Tennyson's most lyrical works, "In Memoriam A.H.H." completed in 1849, in
> memory of a Cambridge friend, Arthur Henry Hallam, who died at the age of
> 22 of a cerebral haemmorage in 1833.
>
> --
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> 504 Mill Creek Road, P. O. Box 70
> Otego, NY <13825dennisf6...>
> (607) 432-0597
>
>
>
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Date: 6/21/20 6:18 am
From: David Diaz <dmdiaz73...> [osbirds] <osbirds...>
Subject: Re: [osbirds] On feeling bad for Blue Jays
Forgive me if I’ve already shared this bluejay story.

While deer hunting in Pharsalia Wildlife Management Area about 12-13 years ago, I watched four blue jays, hunt down a mixed flock of chickadees and titmice. Cooperative hunting!

Two SILENTLY lied in wait while the others chased the mixed flock towards them, raising quite a ruckus! The two lying in wait then burst out at the mixed flock. Result was one dead titmouse being plucked and eaten about 20 feet from me.

You see a lot when sitting quietly for hours!

David Diaz
Cooperstown, NY

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 21, 2020, at 6:34 AM, Jessie Ravage <jravage...> [osbirds] <osbirds...> wrote:
>
> 
> Or, more pedestrian, eat or be eaten. Jessie Ravage
>
> From: <osbirds...> on behalf of "DennisFowler <dennisf6...> [osbirds]" <osbirds...>
> Reply-To: <osbirds...>
> Date: Saturday, June 20, 2020 at 3:51 PM
> To: <osbirds...>
> Subject: Re: [osbirds] On feeling bad for Blue Jays
>
>
> On 06/20/2020 01:23 PM, Alice Pantaleoni <alicehp24...> [osbirds] wrote:
>> Yes, but at least it killed it before eating it. Many years ago I saw a red squirrel run up a pine tree with a large Blue Jay nestling it had snatched, the parents going wild around it but with nothing they or I could do about it. The squirrel then sat on a high branch and began eating the poor bird alive, chewing on a wing as it screamed helplessly. Nature, in all its brutal gruesome-ness (to me, since I root for Team Bird).
>>
> "Nature red in tooth and claw" Often quoted, is from one of Alfred Lord Tennyson's most lyrical works, "In Memoriam A.H.H." completed in 1849, in memory of a Cambridge friend, Arthur Henry Hallam, who died at the age of 22 of a cerebral haemmorage in 1833.
>
> --
> Dennis Fowler
> 504 Mill Creek Road, P. O. Box 70
> Otego, NY 13825
> <dennisf6...>
> (607) 432-0597
>

 

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Date: 6/21/20 5:11 am
From: Sarah Root <sarah...> [osbirds] <osbirds...>
Subject: [osbirds] Downy in stone wall
A friend has noticed a female downy woodpecker going in and out of a warren of woodchuck tunnels into a big old stone wall. Maneuvering easily. She frequently rattle calls, but doesn’t seem overly agitated. Yesterday and today. Are downies still feeding fledglings, and if so could of them have gotten stuck or scared inside the wall? Other thoughts?
Sarah Root
Maryland

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Date: 6/21/20 3:34 am
From: Jessie Ravage <jravage...> [osbirds] <osbirds...>
Subject: Re: [osbirds] On feeling bad for Blue Jays
Or, more pedestrian, eat or be eaten. Jessie Ravage

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Date: Saturday, June 20, 2020 at 3:51 PM
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Subject: Re: [osbirds] On feeling bad for Blue Jays









On 06/20/2020 01:23 PM, Alice Pantaleoni <alicehp24...> [osbirds]
wrote:


>
> Yes, but at least it killed it before eating it. Many years ago I saw a red
> squirrel run up a pine tree with a large Blue Jay nestling it had snatched,
> the parents going wild around it but with nothing they or I could do about it.
> The squirrel then sat on a high branch and began eating the poor bird alive,
> chewing on a wing as it screamed helplessly. Nature, in all its brutal
> gruesome-ness (to me, since I root for Team Bird).
>
>
>
>


"Nature red in tooth and claw" Often quoted, is from one of Alfred Lord
Tennyson's most lyrical works, "In Memoriam A.H.H." completed in 1849, in
memory of a Cambridge friend, Arthur Henry Hallam, who died at the age of 22
of a cerebral haemmorage in 1833.


--
Dennis Fowler
504 Mill Creek Road, P. O. Box 70
Otego, NY 13825
<dennisf6...>
(607) 432-0597









 

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Date: 6/20/20 5:51 pm
From: DennisFowler <dennisf6...> [osbirds] <osbirds...>
Subject: Re: [osbirds] On feeling bad for Blue Jays
On 06/20/2020 01:23 PM, Alice Pantaleoni <alicehp24...> [osbirds]
wrote:
> Yes, but at least it killed it before eating it. Many years ago I saw
> a red squirrel run up a pine tree with a large Blue Jay nestling it
> had snatched, the parents going wild around it but with nothing they
> or I could do about it. The squirrel then sat on a high branch and
> began eating the poor bird alive, chewing on a wing as it screamed
> helplessly. Nature, in all its brutal gruesome-ness (to me, since I
> root for Team Bird).
>
"Nature red in tooth and claw" Often quoted, is from one of Alfred Lord
Tennyson's most lyrical works, "In Memoriam A.H.H." completed in 1849,
in memory of a Cambridge friend, Arthur Henry Hallam, who died at the
age of 22 of a cerebral haemmorage in 1833.

--
Dennis Fowler
504 Mill Creek Road, P. O. Box 70
Otego, NY 13825
<dennisf6...>
(607) 432-0597


 

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Date: 6/20/20 10:23 am
From: Alice Pantaleoni <alicehp24...> [osbirds] <osbirds...>
Subject: Re: [osbirds] On feeling bad for Blue Jays
Yes, but at least it killed it before eating it. Many years ago I saw a red
squirrel run up a pine tree with a large Blue Jay nestling it had snatched,
the parents going wild around it but with nothing they or I could do about
it. The squirrel then sat on a high branch and began eating the poor bird
alive, chewing on a wing as it screamed helplessly. Nature, in all its
brutal gruesome-ness (to me, since I root for Team Bird).

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On Sat, Jun 20, 2020 at 7:21 AM Thomas Salo <salothomas...> [osbirds] <
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>
>
> Jessie had the disturbing experience of watching a crow kill a baby jay
> nestling. This past week in the Adirondacks, we watched a jay take a baby
> Red-eyed Vireo out of the nest, beat it to death with its beak, then
> consume it. All the while the vireo parents frantically flew about, one
> with food in its beak for the nestling.
>
> It all depends on your rank in the food chain.
>
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>
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Date: 6/20/20 10:17 am
From: David Diaz <dmdiaz73...> [osbirds] <osbirds...>
Subject: Re: [osbirds] Another Otsego Osprey Nest
Wow that’s great news Tom!

David Diaz
Cooperstown, NY

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> On Jun 20, 2020, at 10:50 AM, Thomas Salo <salothomas...> [osbirds] <osbirds...> wrote:
>
> 
> In the Town of Hartwick in a remodeled heron nest. I'm not disclosing the location because it is subject to disturbance..
>
> I was doing business this morning and the landowner told me he had Osprey nesting on his beaver pond. I followed him home where we found a heron rookery and one large, seemingly empty nest. I took a few steps towards it and a head pops up doing alarm calls.
>
> During Atlas 2000, in the reporting region, there were 2 confirmed breeding of Osprey over 6 years. We now have documented 4 just in Otsego County.
>
> Tom Salo Burlington
>
>
>

 

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Date: 6/20/20 7:50 am
From: Thomas Salo <salothomas...> [osbirds] <osbirds...>
Subject: [osbirds] Another Otsego Osprey Nest
In the Town of Hartwick in a remodeled heron nest. I'm not disclosing the
location because it is subject to disturbance.

I was doing business this morning and the landowner told me he had Osprey
nesting on his beaver pond. I followed him home where we found a heron
rookery and one large, seemingly empty nest. I took a few steps towards it
and a head pops up doing alarm calls.

During Atlas 2000, in the reporting region, there were 2 confirmed breeding
of Osprey over 6 years. We now have documented 4 just in Otsego County.

Tom Salo Burlington

 

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Date: 6/20/20 4:21 am
From: Thomas Salo <salothomas...> [osbirds] <osbirds...>
Subject: [osbirds] On feeling bad for Blue Jays
Jessie had the disturbing experience of watching a crow kill a baby jay
nestling. This past week in the Adirondacks, we watched a jay take a baby
Red-eyed Vireo out of the nest, beat it to death with its beak, then
consume it. All the while the vireo parents frantically flew about, one
with food in its beak for the nestling.

It all depends on your rank in the food chain.

Tom Salo

 

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Date: 6/19/20 9:05 am
From: Gerianne Carillo <gerianne...> [osbirds] <osbirds...>
Subject: Re: [osbirds] Breeding code assistance
Thank you, Charlie. If my ears can get even just a bit of begging, I will change the confirmation code!

Gerianne
Milford Village


> On Jun 17, 2020, at 3:21 PM, 'Scheim, Charles' <scheimc...> [osbirds] <osbirds...> wrote:
>
>
>
> You're welcome. BTW, if you can hear the young in the nest, even from afar, then you could code it Nest with Young NY, even if you can't see the young.
> CS
>
> On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 3:18 PM Gerianne Carillo <gerianne...> <mailto:<gerianne...> [osbirds] <osbirds...> <mailto:<osbirds...>> wrote:
> Agreed, Charlie. I don’t need to know. That’s why I decided to look from afar, and not alert the landowner as well.
>
>
> Thank you, to you and Suzanne!
>
> Gerianne
>
>> On Jun 17, 2020, at 1:45 PM, 'Scheim, Charles' <scheimc...> <mailto:<scheimc...> [osbirds] <osbirds...> <mailto:<osbirds...>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> I think Suzanne has it right... Carrying Food or Occupied Nest. Either way, you've confirmed breeding for Carolina Wrens. Since CF is stronger than ON, use CF. There is no need to actually find the nest. And also, why disturb the birds just for the sake of human knowledge?
>> Charlie
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 10:34 AM Suzanne Gaynor <suzanne.gaynor5...> <mailto:<suzanne.gaynor5...> [osbirds] <osbirds...> <mailto:<osbirds...>> wrote:
>>
>> I'm no expert but if I saw that I would use 'occupied nest' or 'carrying food'. Both are confirmed codes so I'm not sure one is any better than the other and it sounds to me like you've met the criteria for either.
>>
>> This web page gives a nice description of the codes: https://ebird.org/atlasny/about/breeding-codes#confirmed <https://ebird.org/atlasny/about/breeding-codes#confirmed>
>> Suzanne
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 10:28 AM Gerianne Carillo <gerianne...> <mailto:<gerianne...> [osbirds] <osbirds...> <mailto:<osbirds...>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I’ve been watching a pair of Carolina wrens this morning. I’ve been hearing them singing for weeks and unable to find them. Finally I got the right angle, and I have found the nest.!
>>
>> But I’m not sure what breeding code to use for what I’m seeing. I can see the nest, the fibers of the nest, but I cannot see the young. It’s on private property, and I’ve decided not to alert the owner to its presence. I can see the adults flying in to and out of the nest. I observed one carrying food, but that’s before I found the nest. Hard as I try, I can’t see a bird carrying a fecal sac or any other direct evidence. Just the birds flying in to the nest hopping onto the nest hopping off of the nest and flying away.
>>
>> What greeting code should I use?
>>
>> Thank you,
>> Gerianne
>> MIlford village
>>
>> Gerianne Carillo
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> The marathon continues...
>>
>> Dr. Charles H. Scheim
>> Mathematics Dept (Retired)
>> Hartwick College
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
> --
> The marathon continues...
>
> Dr. Charles H. Scheim
> Mathematics Dept (Retired)
> Hartwick College
>
>
>
>


 

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Date: 6/19/20 6:37 am
From: rob snell <snell.rob...> [osbirds] <osbirds...>
Subject: Re: [osbirds] Nocturnal hummingbirds?
Apparently, the ones I saw, with my own eyes, were having a nightcap.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 19, 2020, at 8:06 AM, rob snell <snell.rob...> [osbirds] <osbirds...> wrote:
>
> 
> I have had them, after dusk, at our feeders. No question.
>
>
> Rob Snell
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>>> On Jun 18, 2020, at 9:26 AM, Andrew Mason <andymason...> [osbirds] <osbirds...> wrote:
>>>
>> 
>> I'm reposting the note below from the Hudson-Mohawk bird list. It is a response to an earlier message which had described hummingbirds visiting feeders at night, captured on a motion camera. I had never heard of nocturnal hummingbirds, so it caught my attention. The message below provides a plausible explanation.
>>
>> "Alison - please do me a favor and post on my behalf on HMBIRD a response to Scott Varney's 6/8/20 post that his camera is not likely detecting nocturnal hummingbirds. They go into overnight torpor, thus are not airborne. His recorded subjects are most likely sphinx moths which are nocturnally active. Hummers don't fly at night."
>>
>> I have seen sphinx moths feeding at flowers, but never at a hummingbird feeder, day or night. Always something to learn! Might be worth checking out after dark.
>>
>> Andy Mason
>>
>> --
>> Andrew Mason
>> 13 Boylston St.
>> Oneonta, NY 13820
>> (607) 652-2162
>> <AndyMason...>
>
>

 

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Date: 6/19/20 5:06 am
From: rob snell <snell.rob...> [osbirds] <osbirds...>
Subject: Re: [osbirds] Nocturnal hummingbirds?
I have had them, after dusk, at our feeders. No question.

Rob Snell

Sent from my iPad

> On Jun 18, 2020, at 9:26 AM, Andrew Mason <andymason...> [osbirds] <osbirds...> wrote:
>
> 
> I'm reposting the note below from the Hudson-Mohawk bird list. It is a response to an earlier message which had described hummingbirds visiting feeders at night, captured on a motion camera. I had never heard of nocturnal hummingbirds, so it caught my attention. The message below provides a plausible explanation.
>
> "Alison - please do me a favor and post on my behalf on HMBIRD a response to Scott Varney's 6/8/20 post that his camera is not likely detecting nocturnal hummingbirds. They go into overnight torpor, thus are not airborne. His recorded subjects are most likely sphinx moths which are nocturnally active. Hummers don't fly at night."
>
> I have seen sphinx moths feeding at flowers, but never at a hummingbird feeder, day or night. Always something to learn! Might be worth checking out after dark.
>
> Andy Mason
>
> --
> Andrew Mason
> 13 Boylston St.
> Oneonta, NY 13820
> (607) 652-2162
> <AndyMason...>
>

 

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Date: 6/18/20 6:26 am
From: Andrew Mason <andymason...> [osbirds] <osbirds...>
Subject: [osbirds] Nocturnal hummingbirds?
I'm reposting the note below from the Hudson-Mohawk bird list. It is a
response to an earlier message which had described hummingbirds visiting
feeders at night, captured on a motion camera. I had never heard of
nocturnal hummingbirds, so it caught my attention. The message below
provides a plausible explanation.

/"//Alison - please do me a favor and post on my behalf on HMBIRD a
response to Scott Varney's 6/8/20 post that his camera is not likely
detecting nocturnal hummingbirds. They go into overnight torpor, thus
are not airborne. His recorded subjects are most likely sphinx moths
which are nocturnally active. Hummers don't fly at night.//"

/I have seen sphinx moths feeding at flowers, but never at a hummingbird
feeder, day or night. Always something to learn! Might be worth
checking out after dark.

Andy Mason

--
Andrew Mason
13 Boylston St.
Oneonta, NY 13820
(607) 652-2162
<AndyMason...>


 

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Date: 6/17/20 4:34 pm
From: 'Scheim, Charles' <scheimc...> [osbirds] <osbirds...>
Subject: Re: [osbirds] Question
I've never seen the "fecal sac transfer" live and in person, but I have
seen videos of it. As the fecal sac comes out of the nestling's rear-end,
the adult grabs the sac in its beak and takes it away. I've never seen any
video where the baby takes the sac in its beak and gives it to the adult.
That's not to say the "beak to beak" transfer doesn't happen, but I've
never seen it.
Charlie

On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 5:19 PM C Staley <whizpop37...> [osbirds] <
<osbirds...> wrote:

>
>
> Do nestlings readily use their beak to give fecal sacs to the adults? If
> my eyes didn’t deceive me I saw this happen twice while watching a Robins
> nest. Has anyone seen this behavior with this or other bird species?
>
> Cindy Staley
>
>
>


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The marathon continues...

Dr. Charles H. Scheim
Mathematics Dept (Retired)
Hartwick College

 

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Date: 6/17/20 2:22 pm
From: David Diaz <dmdiaz73...> [osbirds] <osbirds...>
Subject: Re: [osbirds] Nice morning
They really are. I spent approx 5 hours at the Clark Tower property and I think the Blackburnians took 45 minutes of it. The RB nuthatches took another 30. Hard getting confirmations!

David Diaz
Cooperstown, NY

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 17, 2020, at 5:07 PM, Charles Scheim <scheimc...> [osbirds] <osbirds...> wrote:
>
> 
> Nice finds, David! Especially the Blackburnian warblers… They are hard to even see, much less confirm!
>
> Charlie
>
>
> The marathon continues...
>
>> On Jun 17, 2020, at 4:42 PM, David Diaz <dmdiaz73...> [osbirds] <osbirds...> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Had a nice morning at the Clark Tower property near Cooperstown. Highlights:
>> -53 species
>> -mourning warbler singing and located
>> -red-breasted nuthatch confirmed breeding
>> -northern waterthrush (2) singing
>> -Blackburn warbler confirmed breeding
>> -At least 5 Blackburnian warblers
>> -purple finches singing
>> -hermit thrushes singing
>> -white-throated sparrows singing (4), been singing for 3 weeks now.
>> -yellow-rumpled warbler (2)
>> -pine warbler
>> -pine warbler, northern waterthrush and Blackburnian singing at the same time
>>
>> David Diaz
>> Cooperstown, NY
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>
>

 

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Date: 6/17/20 2:20 pm
From: C Staley <whizpop37...> [osbirds] <osbirds...>
Subject: [osbirds] Question
Do nestlings readily use their beak to give fecal sacs to the adults? If my eyes didn’t deceive me I saw this happen twice while watching a Robins nest. Has anyone seen this behavior with this or other bird species?

Cindy Staley




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Date: 6/17/20 2:08 pm
From: Charles Scheim <scheimc...> [osbirds] <osbirds...>
Subject: Re: [osbirds] Nice morning
Nice finds, David! Especially the Blackburnian warblers… They are hard to
even see, much less confirm!
Charlie


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On Jun 17, 2020, at 4:42 PM, David Diaz <dmdiaz73...> [osbirds] <
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Had a nice morning at the Clark Tower property near Cooperstown. Highlights:
-53 species
-mourning warbler singing and located
-red-breasted nuthatch confirmed breeding
-northern waterthrush (2) singing
-Blackburn warbler confirmed breeding
-At least 5 Blackburnian warblers
-purple finches singing
-hermit thrushes singing
-white-throated sparrows singing (4), been singing for 3 weeks now.
-yellow-rumpled warbler (2)
-pine warbler
-pine warbler, northern waterthrush and Blackburnian singing at the same
time

David Diaz
Cooperstown, NY

Sent from my iPhone


 

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Date: 6/17/20 1:42 pm
From: David Diaz <dmdiaz73...> [osbirds] <osbirds...>
Subject: [osbirds] Nice morning
Had a nice morning at the Clark Tower property near Cooperstown. Highlights:
-53 species
-mourning warbler singing and located
-red-breasted nuthatch confirmed breeding
-northern waterthrush (2) singing
-Blackburn warbler confirmed breeding
-At least 5 Blackburnian warblers
-purple finches singing
-hermit thrushes singing
-white-throated sparrows singing (4), been singing for 3 weeks now.
-yellow-rumpled warbler (2)
-pine warbler
-pine warbler, northern waterthrush and Blackburnian singing at the same time

David Diaz
Cooperstown, NY

Sent from my iPhone


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Date: 6/17/20 12:23 pm
From: Gerianne Carillo <gerianne...> [osbirds] <osbirds...>
Subject: Re: [osbirds] Breeding code assistance
Nope! I can’t hear a thing! Darn it! Or I would have happily used NY! :( Older ears, perhaps…

Gerianne

> On Jun 17, 2020, at 3:21 PM, 'Scheim, Charles' <scheimc...> [osbirds] <osbirds...> wrote:
>
>
>
> You're welcome. BTW, if you can hear the young in the nest, even from afar, then you could code it Nest with Young NY, even if you can't see the young.
> CS
>
> On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 3:18 PM Gerianne Carillo <gerianne...> <mailto:<gerianne...> [osbirds] <osbirds...> <mailto:<osbirds...>> wrote:
> Agreed, Charlie. I don’t need to know. That’s why I decided to look from afar, and not alert the landowner as well.
>
>
> Thank you, to you and Suzanne!
>
> Gerianne
>
>> On Jun 17, 2020, at 1:45 PM, 'Scheim, Charles' <scheimc...> <mailto:<scheimc...> [osbirds] <osbirds...> <mailto:<osbirds...>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> I think Suzanne has it right... Carrying Food or Occupied Nest. Either way, you've confirmed breeding for Carolina Wrens. Since CF is stronger than ON, use CF. There is no need to actually find the nest. And also, why disturb the birds just for the sake of human knowledge?
>> Charlie
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 10:34 AM Suzanne Gaynor <suzanne.gaynor5...> <mailto:<suzanne.gaynor5...> [osbirds] <osbirds...> <mailto:<osbirds...>> wrote:
>>
>> I'm no expert but if I saw that I would use 'occupied nest' or 'carrying food'. Both are confirmed codes so I'm not sure one is any better than the other and it sounds to me like you've met the criteria for either.
>>
>> This web page gives a nice description of the codes: https://ebird.org/atlasny/about/breeding-codes#confirmed <https://ebird.org/atlasny/about/breeding-codes#confirmed>
>> Suzanne
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 10:28 AM Gerianne Carillo <gerianne...> <mailto:<gerianne...> [osbirds] <osbirds...> <mailto:<osbirds...>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I’ve been watching a pair of Carolina wrens this morning. I’ve been hearing them singing for weeks and unable to find them. Finally I got the right angle, and I have found the nest.!
>>
>> But I’m not sure what breeding code to use for what I’m seeing. I can see the nest, the fibers of the nest, but I cannot see the young. It’s on private property, and I’ve decided not to alert the owner to its presence. I can see the adults flying in to and out of the nest. I observed one carrying food, but that’s before I found the nest. Hard as I try, I can’t see a bird carrying a fecal sac or any other direct evidence. Just the birds flying in to the nest hopping onto the nest hopping off of the nest and flying away.
>>
>> What greeting code should I use?
>>
>> Thank you,
>> Gerianne
>> MIlford village
>>
>> Gerianne Carillo
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> The marathon continues...
>>
>> Dr. Charles H. Scheim
>> Mathematics Dept (Retired)
>> Hartwick College
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
> --
> The marathon continues...
>
> Dr. Charles H. Scheim
> Mathematics Dept (Retired)
> Hartwick College
>
>
>
>


 

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Date: 6/17/20 12:22 pm
From: 'Scheim, Charles' <scheimc...> [osbirds] <osbirds...>
Subject: Re: [osbirds] Breeding code assistance
You're welcome. BTW, if you can hear the young in the nest, even from afar,
then you could code it Nest with Young NY, even if you can't see the young.
CS

On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 3:18 PM Gerianne Carillo <gerianne...>
[osbirds] <osbirds...> wrote:

>
>
> Agreed, Charlie. I don’t need to know. That’s why I decided to look from
> afar, and not alert the landowner as well.
>
> Thank you, to you and Suzanne!
>
> Gerianne
>
> On Jun 17, 2020, at 1:45 PM, 'Scheim, Charles' <scheimc...>
> [osbirds] <osbirds...> wrote:
>
>
>
> I think Suzanne has it right... Carrying Food or Occupied Nest. Either
> way, you've confirmed breeding for Carolina Wrens. Since CF is stronger
> than ON, use CF. There is no need to actually find the nest. And also, why
> disturb the birds just for the sake of human knowledge?
> Charlie
>
> On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 10:34 AM Suzanne Gaynor <suzanne.gaynor5...> [osbirds]
> <osbirds...> wrote:
>
>>
>> I'm no expert but if I saw that I would use 'occupied nest' or 'carrying
>> food'. Both are confirmed codes so I'm not sure one is any better than the
>> other and it sounds to me like you've met the criteria for either.
>>
>> This web page gives a nice description of the codes:
>> https://ebird.org/atlasny/about/breeding-codes#confirmed
>> Suzanne
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 10:28 AM Gerianne Carillo <gerianne...> [osbirds]
>> <osbirds...> <osbirds...>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I’ve been watching a pair of Carolina wrens this morning. I’ve been
>>> hearing them singing for weeks and unable to find them. Finally I got the
>>> right angle, and I have found the nest.!
>>>
>>> But I’m not sure what breeding code to use for what I’m seeing. I can
>>> see the nest, the fibers of the nest, but I cannot see the young. It’s on
>>> private property, and I’ve decided not to alert the owner to its presence.
>>> I can see the adults flying in to and out of the nest. I observed one
>>> carrying food, but that’s before I found the nest. Hard as I try, I can’t
>>> see a bird carrying a fecal sac or any other direct evidence. Just the
>>> birds flying in to the nest hopping onto the nest hopping off of the nest
>>> and flying away.
>>>
>>> What greeting code should I use?
>>>
>>> Thank you,
>>> Gerianne
>>> MIlford village
>>>
>>> Gerianne Carillo
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>
>>
>
> --
> The marathon continues...
>
> Dr. Charles H. Scheim
> Mathematics Dept (Retired)
> Hartwick College
>
>
>
>
>
>


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The marathon continues...

Dr. Charles H. Scheim
Mathematics Dept (Retired)
Hartwick College

 

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Date: 6/17/20 12:18 pm
From: Gerianne Carillo <gerianne...> [osbirds] <osbirds...>
Subject: Re: [osbirds] Breeding code assistance
Agreed, Charlie. I don’t need to know. That’s why I decided to look from afar, and not alert the landowner as well.

Thank you, to you and Suzanne!

Gerianne

> On Jun 17, 2020, at 1:45 PM, 'Scheim, Charles' <scheimc...> [osbirds] <osbirds...> wrote:
>
>
>
> I think Suzanne has it right... Carrying Food or Occupied Nest. Either way, you've confirmed breeding for Carolina Wrens. Since CF is stronger than ON, use CF. There is no need to actually find the nest. And also, why disturb the birds just for the sake of human knowledge?
> Charlie
>
> On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 10:34 AM Suzanne Gaynor <suzanne.gaynor5...> <mailto:<suzanne.gaynor5...> [osbirds] <osbirds...> <mailto:<osbirds...>> wrote:
>
> I'm no expert but if I saw that I would use 'occupied nest' or 'carrying food'. Both are confirmed codes so I'm not sure one is any better than the other and it sounds to me like you've met the criteria for either.
>
> This web page gives a nice description of the codes: https://ebird.org/atlasny/about/breeding-codes#confirmed <https://ebird.org/atlasny/about/breeding-codes#confirmed>
> Suzanne
>
> On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 10:28 AM Gerianne Carillo <gerianne...> <mailto:<gerianne...> [osbirds] <osbirds...> <mailto:<osbirds...>> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I’ve been watching a pair of Carolina wrens this morning. I’ve been hearing them singing for weeks and unable to find them. Finally I got the right angle, and I have found the nest.!
>
> But I’m not sure what breeding code to use for what I’m seeing. I can see the nest, the fibers of the nest, but I cannot see the young. It’s on private property, and I’ve decided not to alert the owner to its presence. I can see the adults flying in to and out of the nest. I observed one carrying food, but that’s before I found the nest. Hard as I try, I can’t see a bird carrying a fecal sac or any other direct evidence. Just the birds flying in to the nest hopping onto the nest hopping off of the nest and flying away.
>
> What greeting code should I use?
>
> Thank you,
> Gerianne
> MIlford village
>
> Gerianne Carillo
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
>
> --
> The marathon continues...
>
> Dr. Charles H. Scheim
> Mathematics Dept (Retired)
> Hartwick College
>
>
>
>


 

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Date: 6/17/20 12:02 pm
From: <huneked...> [osbirds] <osbirds...>
Subject: [osbirds] Barn Swallows
The swallows dropped three separate sets of empty egg shells out of the nest
on Sunday evening, Monday morning, and Monday evening. It's possible there
was a fourth set prior to Sunday evening or after Monday evening but I
didn't see it. On Tuesday morning there were two tiny, dead baby barn
swallows on the barn floor below the nest. I suspect the adults have been
unable to sufficiently feed three or four young, due to our lack of insects.
We had three nights in a row that hit 36 degrees each night (colder in some
pockets - I had reports of frost on windshields), and that's on top of our
horribly cold April and May. Black fly season simply didn't happen around
here, and if they were negatively influenced by the cold weather, then other
insects must have been as well. Hopefully the swallows can successfully
raise the remaining nestling(s).

Dorian Huneke,
Treadwell

 

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Date: 6/17/20 10:46 am
From: 'Scheim, Charles' <scheimc...> [osbirds] <osbirds...>
Subject: Re: [osbirds] Breeding code assistance
I think Suzanne has it right... Carrying Food or Occupied Nest. Either way,
you've confirmed breeding for Carolina Wrens. Since CF is stronger than ON,
use CF. There is no need to actually find the nest. And also, why disturb
the birds just for the sake of human knowledge?
Charlie

On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 10:34 AM Suzanne Gaynor <suzanne.gaynor5...>
[osbirds] <osbirds...> wrote:

>
>
> I'm no expert but if I saw that I would use 'occupied nest' or 'carrying
> food'. Both are confirmed codes so I'm not sure one is any better than the
> other and it sounds to me like you've met the criteria for either.
>
> This web page gives a nice description of the codes:
> https://ebird.org/atlasny/about/breeding-codes#confirmed
> Suzanne
>
> On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 10:28 AM Gerianne Carillo <gerianne...>
> [osbirds] <osbirds...> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I’ve been watching a pair of Carolina wrens this morning. I’ve been
>> hearing them singing for weeks and unable to find them. Finally I got the
>> right angle, and I have found the nest.!
>>
>> But I’m not sure what breeding code to use for what I’m seeing. I can see
>> the nest, the fibers of the nest, but I cannot see the young. It’s on
>> private property, and I’ve decided not to alert the owner to its presence.
>> I can see the adults flying in to and out of the nest. I observed one
>> carrying food, but that’s before I found the nest. Hard as I try, I can’t
>> see a bird carrying a fecal sac or any other direct evidence. Just the
>> birds flying in to the nest hopping onto the nest hopping off of the nest
>> and flying away.
>>
>> What greeting code should I use?
>>
>> Thank you,
>> Gerianne
>> MIlford village
>>
>> Gerianne Carillo
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>
>


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Date: 6/17/20 8:10 am
From: david nicosia <daven1024...> [osbirds] <osbirds...>
Subject: Re: [osbirds] Another code question
Agitated behavior. From the link below:  "A – Agitated Behavior: Agitated behavior or anxiety calls from adults indicating a nest site oryoung in the vicinity. This code refers to a stronger reaction to intruders than those exhibited by“T – Territorial Defense,” usually against brood parasites, nest predators, and humans. Do notuse this code for agitation induced by “pishing” or playing recordings. This code also excludesmobbing behavior that species engage in year-round (e.g., mobbing an owl).• A House Wren begins chattering loudly from a bush as you walk by.• Common Yellowthroat scolding a Brown-headed Cowbird.• A mixed flock of birds mobbing a Blue Jay during the breeding season.• Red-winged Blackbird or Eastern Kingbird attacking a Great Blue Heron.• A Northern Goshawk or Common Tern dive bombing you." 

Check out https://ebird.org/atlasny/about/breeding-behaviors/ for all information related to codes. 
On Wednesday, June 17, 2020, 10:58:41 AM EDT, Suzanne Gaynor <suzanne.gaynor5...> [osbirds] <osbirds...> wrote:

 
Agitated behavior?


Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 17, 2020, at 10:40 AM, Gerianne Carillo <gerianne...> [osbirds] <osbirds...> wrote:



  
Here’s another one:

I watched a Bluejay chase a brown squirrel all the way down the trunk of a tree from the top to the bottom pointedly chasing him in a territorial way. Can I use that as Evidence of some kind of Bluejay breeding?

Gerianne Carillo
Sent from my iPhone



 

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Date: 6/17/20 7:58 am
From: Suzanne Gaynor <suzanne.gaynor5...> [osbirds] <osbirds...>
Subject: Re: [osbirds] Another code question
Agitated behavior?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 17, 2020, at 10:40 AM, Gerianne Carillo <gerianne...> [osbirds] <osbirds...> wrote:
>
> 
> Here’s another one:
>
> I watched a Bluejay chase a brown squirrel all the way down the trunk of a tree from the top to the bottom pointedly chasing him in a territorial way. Can I use that as Evidence of some kind of Bluejay breeding?
>
> Gerianne Carillo
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>

 

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Date: 6/17/20 7:40 am
From: Gerianne Carillo <gerianne...> [osbirds] <osbirds...>
Subject: [osbirds] Another code question
Here’s another one:

I watched a Bluejay chase a brown squirrel all the way down the trunk of a tree from the top to the bottom pointedly chasing him in a territorial way. Can I use that as Evidence of some kind of Bluejay breeding?

Gerianne Carillo
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Date: 6/17/20 7:34 am
From: Suzanne Gaynor <suzanne.gaynor5...> [osbirds] <osbirds...>
Subject: Re: [osbirds] Breeding code assistance
I'm no expert but if I saw that I would use 'occupied nest' or 'carrying
food'. Both are confirmed codes so I'm not sure one is any better than the
other and it sounds to me like you've met the criteria for either.

This web page gives a nice description of the codes:
https://ebird.org/atlasny/about/breeding-codes#confirmed
Suzanne

On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 10:28 AM Gerianne Carillo <gerianne...>
[osbirds] <osbirds...> wrote:

>
>
> Hi all,
>
> I’ve been watching a pair of Carolina wrens this morning. I’ve been
> hearing them singing for weeks and unable to find them. Finally I got the
> right angle, and I have found the nest.!
>
> But I’m not sure what breeding code to use for what I’m seeing. I can see
> the nest, the fibers of the nest, but I cannot see the young. It’s on
> private property, and I’ve decided not to alert the owner to its presence.
> I can see the adults flying in to and out of the nest. I observed one
> carrying food, but that’s before I found the nest. Hard as I try, I can’t
> see a bird carrying a fecal sac or any other direct evidence. Just the
> birds flying in to the nest hopping onto the nest hopping off of the nest
> and flying away.
>
> What greeting code should I use?
>
> Thank you,
> Gerianne
> MIlford village
>
> Gerianne Carillo
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>

 

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Date: 6/17/20 7:28 am
From: Gerianne Carillo <gerianne...> [osbirds] <osbirds...>
Subject: [osbirds] Breeding code assistance
Hi all,

I’ve been watching a pair of Carolina wrens this morning. I’ve been hearing them singing for weeks and unable to find them. Finally I got the right angle, and I have found the nest.!

But I’m not sure what breeding code to use for what I’m seeing. I can see the nest, the fibers of the nest, but I cannot see the young. It’s on private property, and I’ve decided not to alert the owner to its presence. I can see the adults flying in to and out of the nest. I observed one carrying food, but that’s before I found the nest. Hard as I try, I can’t see a bird carrying a fecal sac or any other direct evidence. Just the birds flying in to the nest hopping onto the nest hopping off of the nest and flying away.

What greeting code should I use?

Thank you,
Gerianne
MIlford village

Gerianne Carillo
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Date: 6/13/20 7:32 am
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Subject: RE: [osbirds] Turkey-fox drama
Sign me up for Friday and Saturday.

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Subject: [osbirds] Turkey-fox drama

We spent over 6 minutes watching a turkey attempt to draw away a
grey fox late today. Regularly got in front of the fox within one body
length while vocalizing loudly. We found it by following the distress
calls.
The fox was working the wind back and forth in a small patch of
goldenrod while ignoring the bird. It took several minutes for us to
find the commotion. They went behind a rise out of sight and it
continued after we left. It was a protracted drama. What a beautiful
fox.
We are calling it a confirmed Distraction Display.

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Date: 6/12/20 2:34 pm
From: Thomas Salo <salothomas...> [osbirds] <osbirds...>
Subject: [osbirds] Turkey-fox drama
We spent over 6 minutes watching a turkey attempt to draw away a grey fox
late today. Regularly got in front of the fox within one body length while
vocalizing loudly. We found it by following the distress calls.

The fox was working the wind back and forth in a small patch of goldenrod
while ignoring the bird. It took several minutes for us to find the
commotion. They went behind a rise out of sight and it continued after we
left. It was a protracted drama. What a beautiful fox.

We are calling it a confirmed Distraction Display.

Tom Salo, Burlington

 

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Date: 6/11/20 6:35 am
From: Eleanor Moriarty <eleanormrrt955...> [osbirds] <osbirds...>
Subject: [osbirds]
Yesterday morning Barb Palmer and I went to Clapper Hollow State Land, and
had a wonderful show from a Mourning Warbler, who appeared to be
establishing his territory . Vocalizing constantly from mid-tree moving
around the area. We had a few other warblers vocalizing as well. For me,
this was a FOS and for Barb, a lifebird.

 

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Date: 6/8/20 5:03 pm
From: Eleanor Moriarty <eleanormrrt955...> [osbirds] <osbirds...>
Subject: [osbirds] Odd sightings
Late afternoon, first for me in almost thirty years in my place, live near
a creek, never once have I had a kingfisher in my immediate area. Tonight
a boisterous Kingfisher went roaring over my house landed on the telephone
pole and continued his ( didn’t see chest color) conversation until five
minutes later he flew over the road heading northeast.
Hurumph the drama of the day

 

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Date: 6/7/20 6:09 pm
From: <huneked...> [osbirds] <osbirds...>
Subject: [osbirds] Killdeer
Two adults and four, yes 4, little ones traveling about one of the pastures
close to the barn. I suspect the adults nested in this section because it
has the most exposed dirt. I was on the tractor driving out to the main
pasture to mow when I spotted two little ones, and then one of the adults
feigning injury, trying to distract me. Then I saw a third little one and
the other adult. I had to get off the tractor and shoo them away so I could
continue on my way. Fortunately, 'my way' was taking me to another field
where the killdeer were not. When I came back from the rest of my mowing I
spotted four little killdeer altogether, plus the two adults, right in the
same particular spot as before. They are the cutest things in the world!!!
I got past them safely, and am done mowing in that field, so no more tractor
and mower encounters for them. Now I hope the horses don't step on them!

Dorian Huneke,
Treadwell

 

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Date: 6/7/20 10:05 am
From: Kathryn & Al Davino <davino...> [osbirds] <osbirds...>
Subject: Re: [osbirds] Proper BBA code?
Thanks for that thorough explanation, Tom.
~K

> On Jun 6, 2020, at 4:08 PM, Thomas Salo <salothomas...> [osbirds] <osbirds...> wrote:
>
>
> It is CF but it is actually a much better confirmation. CF can be anywhere - flying, sitting on top of a bush waiting for you to leave, moving around gathering even more food. In this case, you can see the nest, you can see the feeding. In a few days you will probably see the young sticking their heads out.
>
> Putting food into a nest is either mate feeding, or feeding young. My male kestrel dropped a mouse in the box very early. That was probably mate feeding. Some might argue about using the NY code but it is really splitting hairs. According to the letter of the law, the guidelines say young in a nest can be seen or heard. So, if your hearing is good enough, you'll hear them begging. You are supposed to add these nestlings to the count. Counting begging birds in a cavity is really hard.
>
> Code it as you want. Based on other communications, I'm sure Julie H would want you to be conservative. If you think you are coding it wrong, qualify it with notes. At the end, a committee can decide what to do when they address that species.
>
> Tom Salo, Burlington
>
>
> On Sat, Jun 6, 2020, 12:55 PM Kathryn & Al Davino <davino...> <mailto:<davino...> [osbirds] <osbirds...> <mailto:<osbirds...> wrote:
>
>
> I’m no expert, but I think it’s CF, carrying food, from your description.
> ~Kathryn davino
>
>> On Jun 6, 2020, at 12:47 PM, Gerianne Carillo <gerianne...> <mailto:<gerianne...> [osbirds] <osbirds...> <mailto:<osbirds...>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I’m sitting and observing a chickadee near its nest. I’ve watched this chickadee excavate the nest, and I know it’s an active nest.. Today, it is carrying food into the nest. I won’t approach the nest, as it’s in a tender location. I know the nest to be a very deep hole, and I cannot see Young in there. But I know this chickadee is carrying food into the nest to feed the young. Which code should I use to describe this? Thank you.
>>
>> Gerianne Carillo
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> MIlford village
>>
>
>
>
>
>


 

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Date: 6/6/20 1:08 pm
From: Thomas Salo <salothomas...> [osbirds] <osbirds...>
Subject: Re: [osbirds] Proper BBA code?
It is CF but it is actually a much better confirmation. CF can be anywhere
- flying, sitting on top of a bush waiting for you to leave, moving around
gathering even more food. In this case, you can see the nest, you can see
the feeding. In a few days you will probably see the young sticking their
heads out.

Putting food into a nest is either mate feeding, or feeding young. My male
kestrel dropped a mouse in the box very early. That was probably mate
feeding. Some might argue about using the NY code but it is really
splitting hairs. According to the letter of the law, the guidelines say
young in a nest can be seen or heard. So, if your hearing is good enough,
you'll hear them begging. You are supposed to add these nestlings to the
count. Counting begging birds in a cavity is really hard.

Code it as you want. Based on other communications, I'm sure Julie H would
want you to be conservative. If you think you are coding it wrong, qualify
it with notes. At the end, a committee can decide what to do when they
address that species.

Tom Salo, Burlington


On Sat, Jun 6, 2020, 12:55 PM Kathryn & Al Davino <davino...>
[osbirds] <osbirds...> wrote:

>
>
> I’m no expert, but I think it’s CF, carrying food, from your description.
> ~Kathryn davino
>
> On Jun 6, 2020, at 12:47 PM, Gerianne Carillo <gerianne...>
> [osbirds] <osbirds...> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I’m sitting and observing a chickadee near its nest. I’ve watched this
> chickadee excavate the nest, and I know it’s an active nest.. Today, it is
> carrying food into the nest. I won’t approach the nest, as it’s in a tender
> location. I know the nest to be a very deep hole, and I cannot see Young in
> there. But I know this chickadee is carrying food into the nest to feed the
> young. Which code should I use to describe this? Thank you.
>
> Gerianne Carillo
> Sent from my iPhone
> MIlford village
>
>
>
>
>

 

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Date: 6/6/20 9:55 am
From: Kathryn & Al Davino <davino...> [osbirds] <osbirds...>
Subject: Re: [osbirds] Proper BBA code?
I’m no expert, but I think it’s CF, carrying food, from your description.
~Kathryn davino

> On Jun 6, 2020, at 12:47 PM, Gerianne Carillo <gerianne...> [osbirds] <osbirds...> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I’m sitting and observing a chickadee near its nest. I’ve watched this chickadee excavate the nest, and I know it’s an active nest. Today, it is carrying food into the nest. I won’t approach the nest, as it’s in a tender location. I know the nest to be a very deep hole, and I cannot see Young in there. But I know this chickadee is carrying food into the nest to feed the young. Which code should I use to describe this? Thank you.
>
> Gerianne Carillo
> Sent from my iPhone
> MIlford village
>
>


 

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Date: 6/6/20 9:53 am
From: Thomas Salo <salothomas...> [osbirds] <osbirds...>
Subject: Re: [osbirds] Proper BBA code?
I would code a bird feeding young in a nest as NY even if I couldn't see
the young.

We also code woodpeckers and kestrels as NY if we hear them but don't see
them.

Tom Salo, Burlington

On Sat, Jun 6, 2020, 12:47 PM Gerianne Carillo <gerianne...>
[osbirds] <osbirds...> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I’m sitting and observing a chickadee near its nest. I’ve watched this
> chickadee excavate the nest, and I know it’s an active nest. Today, it is
> carrying food into the nest. I won’t approach the nest, as it’s in a tender
> location. I know the nest to be a very deep hole, and I cannot see Young in
> there. But I know this chickadee is carrying food into the nest to feed the
> young. Which code should I use to describe this? Thank you.
>
> Gerianne Carillo
> Sent from my iPhone
> MIlford village
>
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Date: 6/6/20 9:47 am
From: Gerianne Carillo <gerianne...> [osbirds] <osbirds...>
Subject: [osbirds] Proper BBA code?
Hi all,

I’m sitting and observing a chickadee near its nest. I’ve watched this chickadee excavate the nest, and I know it’s an active nest. Today, it is carrying food into the nest. I won’t approach the nest, as it’s in a tender location. I know the nest to be a very deep hole, and I cannot see Young in there. But I know this chickadee is carrying food into the nest to feed the young. Which code should I use to describe this? Thank you.

Gerianne Carillo
Sent from my iPhone
MIlford village


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Date: 6/5/20 11:25 am
From: <huneked...> [osbirds] <osbirds...>
Subject: [osbirds] House Wrens
A pair of them were singing heartily in the black locust tree in my front
yard this morning. I usually hear and see them up by the barn, but haven't
yet, this year. This is the first time I've known them to be near my house.

While at the barn this morning I was rinsing something out by the water tank
and a kingfisher flew low, fast, and loud, right over my head (literally,
only a few feet above me!) going toward the creek. It landed in a tree next
to the creek, and then quickly took off heading upstream. They do have a
loud call under normal circumstances, but I've never been so close to one
when vocalizing as this time. Really, really, loud!

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