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Date: 7/22/24 7:20 am
From: 'April Campbell' via Birders <birders...>
Subject: Re: [birders] Asian Jumping worm
 

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Date: 7/22/24 7:00 am
From: Fred Kaluza <fkaluza...>
Subject: Re: [birders] Asian Jumping worm
April, no Japanese Beetles, Cabbage Moths, Chinese Mantids, Spongy (Gypsy) Moths, Asian Lady Bugs, European Honey Bees or Purple Loosestrife Beetles?
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From: 'April Campbell' via Birders <birders...>
Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2024 13:26
To: Su Clift <coffeebeansu...>
Cc: Marta Manildi <mamanildi...>; Mag Tait <magtait1...>; <birders...> <birders...>
Subject: Re: [birders] Asian Jumping worm

After discovering the Asian Jumping worm menace in my garden, I wondered how many invasive species (non -plant) have arrived to my various gardens since I began gardening some 58 years ago. Here’s what I’ve come up with so far:

Lily Leaf Beetle
Brown Marmorated Leaf Beetle
Spotted Drosophila
Swede Midge
Spotted Lantern Fly
Currant Borer
Imported Currant worm
Emerald Ash Borer
Fire ants

Sheesh…it’s enough to make you want to roll-up your raised beds!




On Jul 21, 2024, at 12:33 PM, Su Clift <coffeebeansu...><mailto:<coffeebeansu...>> wrote:

Really good information. My eyes are opened! Thanks for the details!
Su

On Jul 21, 2024, at 10:32 AM, Marta Manildi <mamanildi...><mailto:<mamanildi...>> wrote:

Best use for African clawed frogs I have heard! So many invasive species, it can be overwhelming.

On Jul 21, 2024, at 10:16 AM, Mag Tait <magtait1...><mailto:<magtait1...>> wrote:

I feel like I have been finding less earthworms when I’m gardening. I noticed this because if I find small ones, my almost 31-year-old African clawed frogs get them for treats. My daughter was given them on her sixth birthday and she’s going to be 37 so they are beyond the normal lifespan and deserve a treat.
I had three young girls visiting all last week and they spent a good part of the time making terrariums for their new pet slugs. They came in with tiny worms several times for the frogs and they looked pretty normal though I didn’t know about the jumping worms this educational email chain. At any rate, they won’t be reproducing in my yard.🤡

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 21, 2024, at 9:38 AM, 'Marta Manildi' via Birders <birders...><mailto:<birders...>> wrote:

Yes, the twisty crawl (nice description) is a tell - they may jump, wiggle, or move in an S-like shape like a snake. Also, the jumping worm has a whitish (milky white to gray) collar-like band that encircles its body (the clitellum), roughly 1/3 of the way down its body and that lies flat with the body. European earthworms have a clitellum that is somewhat raised, does not go all the way around the body, and the color is closer to the color of the rest of the body. Here is another helpful article with photos of each worm so you can see.
<https://www.finegardening.com/article/how-to-identify-and-remove-invasive-jumping-worms>
<fg206-jumping-worms-1x1-1.jpeg>
How to Identify and Remove Invasive Jumping Worms<https://www.finegardening.com/article/how-to-identify-and-remove-invasive-jumping-worms>
finegardening.com<https://www.finegardening.com/article/how-to-identify-and-remove-invasive-jumping-worms>

Marta

On Jul 21, 2024, at 9:26 AM, Su Clift <coffeebeansu...><mailto:<coffeebeansu...>> wrote:

Is there a foolproof way to distinguish them from the good worms? I had one worm this year that was considerably bigger than my normal worms. Is the twisting crawl a good sign as opposed to the front to back movement I’m used to seeing in my worms?
Su in Adrian

On Jul 18, 2024, at 11:32 PM, 'Marta Manildi' via Birders <birders...><mailto:<birders...>> wrote:

Jumping worms are a serious invasive problem - I’m sorry you have them, April. I recently discovered that I have them also.

Fred, I’m afraid the threat they pose is real. Among other things, they destroy many insects (bad for birds!), ground nesting birds, and the roots of plants by grinding the soil down to mineral dirt, separating out and then eating all the organic material. If they do less damage in Asia, where they are native, it is because their predators are more successful at limiting their numbers and because they are in areas with less human traffic to spread them everywhere.

Here is a pretty good article - I am using the mustard water protocol described in the article to flush them up to the surface and pick them off. (1/3 cup mustard powder per gallon of water, and pouring that over an area to get it wet to a depth of 1” - 2”). The mustard apparently irritates them (acidic), and they don’t like to go deep into the soil. I keep a bucket of water and white vinegar handy (I don’t measure, but I am pretty generous with the vinegar), and drop them in and try not to watch while they suffer and then, blessedly, die. When they are good and truly dead they can go into the garbage. Rinse, lather, repeat.

<https://joegardener.com/podcast/invasive-jumping-worms/>
<Worms-1_Eric-Hamilton_PR-Arb-708X466.jpeg>
Invasive Jumping Worms | What Gardeners Need To Know | joegardener®<https://joegardener.com/podcast/invasive-jumping-worms/>
joegardener.com<https://joegardener.com/podcast/invasive-jumping-worms/>

Also, they like to lay their eggs in leaf litter or wood, as the worms newly emerging in the spring thrive on the high carbon material. So for now I will rake away leaves that I would otherwise leave in place. They reproduce by parthenogenesis, so a single worm can quickly create a huge population. That makes it important to try to prevent successful cocooning.

Finally, please report finding the worms MISIN - http://www.misin.msu.edu/report/misin/?project=misin

Good luck, and share any successful tips you discover please!
Marta




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Date: 7/21/24 11:20 am
From: 'Marta Manildi' via Birders <birders...>
Subject: Re: [birders] Asian Jumping worm
I would love to put some beech trees in my yard, but I don’t dare.

> On Jul 21, 2024, at 1:25 PM, April Campbell <adc14...> wrote:
>
> After discovering the Asian Jumping worm menace in my garden, I wondered how many invasive species (non -plant) have arrived to my various gardens since I began gardening some 58 years ago. Here’s what I’ve come up with so far:
>
> Lily Leaf Beetle
> Brown Marmorated Leaf Beetle
> Spotted Drosophila
> Swede Midge
> Spotted Lantern Fly
> Currant Borer
> Imported Currant worm
> Emerald Ash Borer
> Fire ants
>
> Sheesh…it’s enough to make you want to roll-up your raised beds!
>
>
>
>
>> On Jul 21, 2024, at 12:33 PM, Su Clift <coffeebeansu...> <mailto:<coffeebeansu...>> wrote:
>>
>> Really good information. My eyes are opened! Thanks for the details!
>> Su
>>
>>> On Jul 21, 2024, at 10:32 AM, Marta Manildi <mamanildi...> <mailto:<mamanildi...>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Best use for African clawed frogs I have heard! So many invasive species, it can be overwhelming.
>>>
>>>> On Jul 21, 2024, at 10:16 AM, Mag Tait <magtait1...> <mailto:<magtait1...>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I feel like I have been finding less earthworms when I’m gardening. I noticed this because if I find small ones, my almost 31-year-old African clawed frogs get them for treats. My daughter was given them on her sixth birthday and she’s going to be 37 so they are beyond the normal lifespan and deserve a treat.
>>>> I had three young girls visiting all last week and they spent a good part of the time making terrariums for their new pet slugs. They came in with tiny worms several times for the frogs and they looked pretty normal though I didn’t know about the jumping worms this educational email chain. At any rate, they won’t be reproducing in my yard.🤡
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>>> On Jul 21, 2024, at 9:38 AM, 'Marta Manildi' via Birders <birders...> <mailto:<birders...>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, the twisty crawl (nice description) is a tell - they may jump, wiggle, or move in an S-like shape like a snake. Also, the jumping worm has a whitish (milky white to gray) collar-like band that encircles its body (the clitellum), roughly 1/3 of the way down its body and that lies flat with the body. European earthworms have a clitellum that is somewhat raised, does not go all the way around the body, and the color is closer to the color of the rest of the body. Here is another helpful article with photos of each worm so you can see.
>>>>> https://www.finegardening.com/article/how-to-identify-and-remove-invasive-jumping-worms
>>>>>
>>>>> Marta
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jul 21, 2024, at 9:26 AM, Su Clift <coffeebeansu...> <mailto:<coffeebeansu...>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is there a foolproof way to distinguish them from the good worms? I had one worm this year that was considerably bigger than my normal worms. Is the twisting crawl a good sign as opposed to the front to back movement I’m used to seeing in my worms?
>>>>>> Su in Adrian
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Jul 18, 2024, at 11:32 PM, 'Marta Manildi' via Birders <birders...> <mailto:<birders...>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jumping worms are a serious invasive problem - I’m sorry you have them, April. I recently discovered that I have them also.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Fred, I’m afraid the threat they pose is real. Among other things, they destroy many insects (bad for birds!), ground nesting birds, and the roots of plants by grinding the soil down to mineral dirt, separating out and then eating all the organic material. If they do less damage in Asia, where they are native, it is because their predators are more successful at limiting their numbers and because they are in areas with less human traffic to spread them everywhere.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Here is a pretty good article - I am using the mustard water protocol described in the article to flush them up to the surface and pick them off. (1/3 cup mustard powder per gallon of water, and pouring that over an area to get it wet to a depth of 1” - 2”). The mustard apparently irritates them (acidic), and they don’t like to go deep into the soil. I keep a bucket of water and white vinegar handy (I don’t measure, but I am pretty generous with the vinegar), and drop them in and try not to watch while they suffer and then, blessedly, die. When they are good and truly dead they can go into the garbage. Rinse, lather, repeat.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://joegardener.com/podcast/invasive-jumping-worms/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Also, they like to lay their eggs in leaf litter or wood, as the worms newly emerging in the spring thrive on the high carbon material. So for now I will rake away leaves that I would otherwise leave in place. They reproduce by parthenogenesis, so a single worm can quickly create a huge population. That makes it important to try to prevent successful cocooning.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Finally, please report finding the worms MISIN - http://www.misin.msu.edu/report/misin/?project=misin
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Good luck, and share any successful tips you discover please!
>>>>>>> Marta
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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Date: 7/21/24 10:26 am
From: 'April Campbell' via Birders <birders...>
Subject: Re: [birders] Asian Jumping worm
After discovering the Asian Jumping worm menace in my garden, I wondered how many invasive species (non -plant) have arrived to my various gardens since I began gardening some 58 years ago. Here’s what I’ve come up with so far:

Lily Leaf Beetle
Brown Marmorated Leaf Beetle
Spotted Drosophila
Swede Midge
Spotted Lantern Fly
Currant Borer
Imported Currant worm
Emerald Ash Borer
Fire ants

Sheesh…it’s enough to make you want to roll-up your raised beds!




> On Jul 21, 2024, at 12:33 PM, Su Clift <coffeebeansu...> wrote:
>
> Really good information. My eyes are opened! Thanks for the details!
> Su
>
>> On Jul 21, 2024, at 10:32 AM, Marta Manildi <mamanildi...> wrote:
>>
>> Best use for African clawed frogs I have heard! So many invasive species, it can be overwhelming.
>>
>>> On Jul 21, 2024, at 10:16 AM, Mag Tait <magtait1...> wrote:
>>>
>>> I feel like I have been finding less earthworms when I’m gardening. I noticed this because if I find small ones, my almost 31-year-old African clawed frogs get them for treats. My daughter was given them on her sixth birthday and she’s going to be 37 so they are beyond the normal lifespan and deserve a treat.
>>> I had three young girls visiting all last week and they spent a good part of the time making terrariums for their new pet slugs. They came in with tiny worms several times for the frogs and they looked pretty normal though I didn’t know about the jumping worms this educational email chain. At any rate, they won’t be reproducing in my yard.🤡
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On Jul 21, 2024, at 9:38 AM, 'Marta Manildi' via Birders <birders...> <mailto:<birders...>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Yes, the twisty crawl (nice description) is a tell - they may jump, wiggle, or move in an S-like shape like a snake. Also, the jumping worm has a whitish (milky white to gray) collar-like band that encircles its body (the clitellum), roughly 1/3 of the way down its body and that lies flat with the body. European earthworms have a clitellum that is somewhat raised, does not go all the way around the body, and the color is closer to the color of the rest of the body. Here is another helpful article with photos of each worm so you can see.
>>>> <fg206-jumping-worms-1x1-1.jpeg>
>>>> How to Identify and Remove Invasive Jumping Worms
>>>> finegardening.com
>>>> <https://www.finegardening.com/article/how-to-identify-and-remove-invasive-jumping-worms>How to Identify and Remove Invasive Jumping Worms <https://www.finegardening.com/article/how-to-identify-and-remove-invasive-jumping-worms>
>>>> finegardening.com <https://www.finegardening.com/article/how-to-identify-and-remove-invasive-jumping-worms>
>>>>
>>>> Marta
>>>>
>>>>> On Jul 21, 2024, at 9:26 AM, Su Clift <coffeebeansu...> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Is there a foolproof way to distinguish them from the good worms? I had one worm this year that was considerably bigger than my normal worms. Is the twisting crawl a good sign as opposed to the front to back movement I’m used to seeing in my worms?
>>>>> Su in Adrian
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jul 18, 2024, at 11:32 PM, 'Marta Manildi' via Birders <birders...> <mailto:<birders...>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jumping worms are a serious invasive problem - I’m sorry you have them, April. I recently discovered that I have them also.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Fred, I’m afraid the threat they pose is real. Among other things, they destroy many insects (bad for birds!), ground nesting birds, and the roots of plants by grinding the soil down to mineral dirt, separating out and then eating all the organic material. If they do less damage in Asia, where they are native, it is because their predators are more successful at limiting their numbers and because they are in areas with less human traffic to spread them everywhere.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here is a pretty good article - I am using the mustard water protocol described in the article to flush them up to the surface and pick them off. (1/3 cup mustard powder per gallon of water, and pouring that over an area to get it wet to a depth of 1” - 2”). The mustard apparently irritates them (acidic), and they don’t like to go deep into the soil. I keep a bucket of water and white vinegar handy (I don’t measure, but I am pretty generous with the vinegar), and drop them in and try not to watch while they suffer and then, blessedly, die. When they are good and truly dead they can go into the garbage. Rinse, lather, repeat.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <Worms-1_Eric-Hamilton_PR-Arb-708X466.jpeg>
>>>>>> Invasive Jumping Worms | What Gardeners Need To Know | joegardener®
>>>>>> joegardener.com
>>>>>> <https://joegardener.com/podcast/invasive-jumping-worms/>Invasive Jumping Worms | What Gardeners Need To Know | joegardener® <https://joegardener.com/podcast/invasive-jumping-worms/>
>>>>>> joegardener.com <https://joegardener.com/podcast/invasive-jumping-worms/>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Also, they like to lay their eggs in leaf litter or wood, as the worms newly emerging in the spring thrive on the high carbon material. So for now I will rake away leaves that I would otherwise leave in place. They reproduce by parthenogenesis, so a single worm can quickly create a huge population. That makes it important to try to prevent successful cocooning.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Finally, please report finding the worms MISIN - http://www.misin.msu.edu/report/misin/?project=misin <http://www.misin.msu.edu/report/misin/?project=misin>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Good luck, and share any successful tips you discover please!
>>>>>> Marta
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
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Date: 7/21/24 9:33 am
From: Su Clift <coffeebeansu...>
Subject: Re: [birders] Asian Jumping worm
 

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Date: 7/21/24 7:32 am
From: 'Marta Manildi' via Birders <birders...>
Subject: Re: [birders] Asian Jumping worm
Best use for African clawed frogs I have heard! So many invasive species, it can be overwhelming.

> On Jul 21, 2024, at 10:16 AM, Mag Tait <magtait1...> wrote:
>
> I feel like I have been finding less earthworms when I’m gardening. I noticed this because if I find small ones, my almost 31-year-old African clawed frogs get them for treats. My daughter was given them on her sixth birthday and she’s going to be 37 so they are beyond the normal lifespan and deserve a treat.
> I had three young girls visiting all last week and they spent a good part of the time making terrariums for their new pet slugs. They came in with tiny worms several times for the frogs and they looked pretty normal though I didn’t know about the jumping worms this educational email chain. At any rate, they won’t be reproducing in my yard.🤡
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jul 21, 2024, at 9:38 AM, 'Marta Manildi' via Birders <birders...> <mailto:<birders...>> wrote:
>>
>> Yes, the twisty crawl (nice description) is a tell - they may jump, wiggle, or move in an S-like shape like a snake. Also, the jumping worm has a whitish (milky white to gray) collar-like band that encircles its body (the clitellum), roughly 1/3 of the way down its body and that lies flat with the body. European earthworms have a clitellum that is somewhat raised, does not go all the way around the body, and the color is closer to the color of the rest of the body. Here is another helpful article with photos of each worm so you can see.
>> https://www.finegardening.com/article/how-to-identify-and-remove-invasive-jumping-worms
>>
>> Marta
>>
>>> On Jul 21, 2024, at 9:26 AM, Su Clift <coffeebeansu...> wrote:
>>>
>>> Is there a foolproof way to distinguish them from the good worms? I had one worm this year that was considerably bigger than my normal worms. Is the twisting crawl a good sign as opposed to the front to back movement I’m used to seeing in my worms?
>>> Su in Adrian
>>>
>>>> On Jul 18, 2024, at 11:32 PM, 'Marta Manildi' via Birders <birders...> <mailto:<birders...>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Jumping worms are a serious invasive problem - I’m sorry you have them, April. I recently discovered that I have them also.
>>>>
>>>> Fred, I’m afraid the threat they pose is real. Among other things, they destroy many insects (bad for birds!), ground nesting birds, and the roots of plants by grinding the soil down to mineral dirt, separating out and then eating all the organic material. If they do less damage in Asia, where they are native, it is because their predators are more successful at limiting their numbers and because they are in areas with less human traffic to spread them everywhere.
>>>>
>>>> Here is a pretty good article - I am using the mustard water protocol described in the article to flush them up to the surface and pick them off. (1/3 cup mustard powder per gallon of water, and pouring that over an area to get it wet to a depth of 1” - 2”). The mustard apparently irritates them (acidic), and they don’t like to go deep into the soil. I keep a bucket of water and white vinegar handy (I don’t measure, but I am pretty generous with the vinegar), and drop them in and try not to watch while they suffer and then, blessedly, die. When they are good and truly dead they can go into the garbage. Rinse, lather, repeat.
>>>>
>>>> https://joegardener.com/podcast/invasive-jumping-worms/
>>>>
>>>> Also, they like to lay their eggs in leaf litter or wood, as the worms newly emerging in the spring thrive on the high carbon material. So for now I will rake away leaves that I would otherwise leave in place. They reproduce by parthenogenesis, so a single worm can quickly create a huge population. That makes it important to try to prevent successful cocooning.
>>>>
>>>> Finally, please report finding the worms MISIN - http://www.misin.msu.edu/report/misin/?project=misin
>>>>
>>>> Good luck, and share any successful tips you discover please!
>>>> Marta
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
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Date: 7/21/24 7:16 am
From: Mag Tait <magtait1...>
Subject: Re: [birders] Asian Jumping worm
 

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Date: 7/21/24 6:38 am
From: 'Marta Manildi' via Birders <birders...>
Subject: Re: [birders] Asian Jumping worm
Yes, the twisty crawl (nice description) is a tell - they may jump, wiggle, or move in an S-like shape like a snake. Also, the jumping worm has a whitish (milky white to gray) collar-like band that encircles its body (the clitellum), roughly 1/3 of the way down its body and that lies flat with the body. European earthworms have a clitellum that is somewhat raised, does not go all the way around the body, and the color is closer to the color of the rest of the body. Here is another helpful article with photos of each worm so you can see.
https://www.finegardening.com/article/how-to-identify-and-remove-invasive-jumping-worms
How to Identify and Remove Invasive Jumping Worms
finegardening.com

Marta

> On Jul 21, 2024, at 9:26 AM, Su Clift <coffeebeansu...> wrote:
>
> Is there a foolproof way to distinguish them from the good worms? I had one worm this year that was considerably bigger than my normal worms. Is the twisting crawl a good sign as opposed to the front to back movement I’m used to seeing in my worms?
> Su in Adrian
>
>> On Jul 18, 2024, at 11:32 PM, 'Marta Manildi' via Birders <birders...> <mailto:<birders...>> wrote:
>>
>> Jumping worms are a serious invasive problem - I’m sorry you have them, April. I recently discovered that I have them also.
>>
>> Fred, I’m afraid the threat they pose is real. Among other things, they destroy many insects (bad for birds!), ground nesting birds, and the roots of plants by grinding the soil down to mineral dirt, separating out and then eating all the organic material. If they do less damage in Asia, where they are native, it is because their predators are more successful at limiting their numbers and because they are in areas with less human traffic to spread them everywhere.
>>
>> Here is a pretty good article - I am using the mustard water protocol described in the article to flush them up to the surface and pick them off. (1/3 cup mustard powder per gallon of water, and pouring that over an area to get it wet to a depth of 1” - 2”). The mustard apparently irritates them (acidic), and they don’t like to go deep into the soil. I keep a bucket of water and white vinegar handy (I don’t measure, but I am pretty generous with the vinegar), and drop them in and try not to watch while they suffer and then, blessedly, die. When they are good and truly dead they can go into the garbage. Rinse, lather, repeat.
>>
>> https://joegardener.com/podcast/invasive-jumping-worms/
>>
>> Also, they like to lay their eggs in leaf litter or wood, as the worms newly emerging in the spring thrive on the high carbon material. So for now I will rake away leaves that I would otherwise leave in place. They reproduce by parthenogenesis, so a single worm can quickly create a huge population. That makes it important to try to prevent successful cocooning.
>>
>> Finally, please report finding the worms MISIN - http://www.misin.msu.edu/report/misin/?project=misin
>>
>> Good luck, and share any successful tips you discover please!
>> Marta
>>
>>
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Date: 7/21/24 6:26 am
From: Su Clift <coffeebeansu...>
Subject: Re: [birders] Asian Jumping worm
Is there a foolproof way to distinguish them from the good worms? I had one worm this year that was considerably bigger than my normal worms. Is the twisting crawl a good sign as opposed to the front to back movement I’m used to seeing in my worms?
Su in Adrian

> On Jul 18, 2024, at 11:32 PM, 'Marta Manildi' via Birders <birders...> wrote:
>
> Jumping worms are a serious invasive problem - I’m sorry you have them, April. I recently discovered that I have them also.
>
> Fred, I’m afraid the threat they pose is real. Among other things, they destroy many insects (bad for birds!), ground nesting birds, and the roots of plants by grinding the soil down to mineral dirt, separating out and then eating all the organic material. If they do less damage in Asia, where they are native, it is because their predators are more successful at limiting their numbers and because they are in areas with less human traffic to spread them everywhere.
>
> Here is a pretty good article - I am using the mustard water protocol described in the article to flush them up to the surface and pick them off. (1/3 cup mustard powder per gallon of water, and pouring that over an area to get it wet to a depth of 1” - 2”). The mustard apparently irritates them (acidic), and they don’t like to go deep into the soil. I keep a bucket of water and white vinegar handy (I don’t measure, but I am pretty generous with the vinegar), and drop them in and try not to watch while they suffer and then, blessedly, die. When they are good and truly dead they can go into the garbage. Rinse, lather, repeat.
>
> <Worms-1_Eric-Hamilton_PR-Arb-708X466.jpeg>
> Invasive Jumping Worms | What Gardeners Need To Know | joegardener®
> joegardener.com
> <https://joegardener.com/podcast/invasive-jumping-worms/>Invasive Jumping Worms | What Gardeners Need To Know | joegardener® <https://joegardener.com/podcast/invasive-jumping-worms/>
> joegardener.com <https://joegardener.com/podcast/invasive-jumping-worms/>
>
> Also, they like to lay their eggs in leaf litter or wood, as the worms newly emerging in the spring thrive on the high carbon material. So for now I will rake away leaves that I would otherwise leave in place. They reproduce by parthenogenesis, so a single worm can quickly create a huge population. That makes it important to try to prevent successful cocooning.
>
> Finally, please report finding the worms MISIN - http://www.misin.msu.edu/report/misin/?project=misin <http://www.misin.msu.edu/report/misin/?project=misin>
>
> Good luck, and share any successful tips you discover please!
> Marta
>
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Date: 7/20/24 4:14 am
From: Bob Tarte <enslavedbyducks...>
Subject: Re: [birders] Insect - Jagged Ambush Bug
Thank you, John. I have so much fun taking the photos and making them look
better in Photoshop.

The ambush bug in the photos I posted has been perched on the same
Black-eyed Susan for the fourth morning in a row. It must be yielding some
prey, though I haven't seen any action yet.

On Fri, Jul 19, 2024 at 2:45 PM John Farmer <johnfarmer788...> wrote:

> Thanks for your post and sharing of ambush bug photos. Yesterday I
> participated in a Bumblebee Walk in a local preserve led by Washtenaw
> County naturalist Elle Bogle. Several ambush bugs of uncertain species were
> seen, but no good photos were taken. Another person and I watched a sweat
> bee come ever do close to being ambushed, but it managed to escape in the
> nick of time. No better entertainment than Nature's life and death dramas!
>
> On Thu, Jul 18, 2024, 11:38 AM Bob Tarte <enslavedbyducks...>
> wrote:
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>> Thanks so much, Mag. Nice to hear from you again!
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 18, 2024 at 11:30 AM Mag Tait <magtait1...> wrote:
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>>> That’s amazing! Thanks for sharing, Bob!
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>> On Jul 18, 2024, at 6:45 AM, Bob Tarte <enslavedbyducks...>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>> I've only seen one so far. When the goldenrod blooms, it will be easier
>>> to find them.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 17, 2024 at 6:59 PM Scott Smith <painless...> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Just saw my first one at lunch today on a Lilly in the back yard.
>>>> Scott Smith
>>>>
>>>> On Jul 17, 2024 3:22 PM, Bob Tarte <enslavedbyducks...> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Jagged Ambush Bug waits patiently for prey on a Black-eyed Susan. 24
>>>> hours later, it is still in the same spot, alive and well. First one I've
>>>> seen this season.
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Date: 7/19/24 9:38 am
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Subject: [birders] Red-headed
A first for us! A juvenile red-headed woodpecker at our peanut feeder this morning…

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Date: 7/19/24 3:36 am
From: Bob Tarte <enslavedbyducks...>
Subject: Re: [birders] Insect - Jagged Ambush Bug
Thank you, Fred. They love to hide in goldenrod flowers.

On Thu, Jul 18, 2024 at 1:12 PM Fred Kaluza <fredkaluza...> wrote:

> I’ll be looking. Thanks Bob.
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> Jagged Ambush Bug waits patiently for prey on a Black-eyed Susan. 24 hours
> later, it is still in the same spot, alive and well. First one I've seen
> this season.
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Date: 7/18/24 8:33 pm
From: 'Marta Manildi' via Birders <birders...>
Subject: Re: [birders] Asian Jumping worm
Jumping worms are a serious invasive problem - I’m sorry you have them, April. I recently discovered that I have them also.

Fred, I’m afraid the threat they pose is real. Among other things, they destroy many insects (bad for birds!), ground nesting birds, and the roots of plants by grinding the soil down to mineral dirt, separating out and then eating all the organic material. If they do less damage in Asia, where they are native, it is because their predators are more successful at limiting their numbers and because they are in areas with less human traffic to spread them everywhere.

Here is a pretty good article - I am using the mustard water protocol described in the article to flush them up to the surface and pick them off. (1/3 cup mustard powder per gallon of water, and pouring that over an area to get it wet to a depth of 1” - 2”). The mustard apparently irritates them (acidic), and they don’t like to go deep into the soil. I keep a bucket of water and white vinegar handy (I don’t measure, but I am pretty generous with the vinegar), and drop them in and try not to watch while they suffer and then, blessedly, die. When they are good and truly dead they can go into the garbage. Rinse, lather, repeat.

https://joegardener.com/podcast/invasive-jumping-worms/
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Also, they like to lay their eggs in leaf litter or wood, as the worms newly emerging in the spring thrive on the high carbon material. So for now I will rake away leaves that I would otherwise leave in place. They reproduce by parthenogenesis, so a single worm can quickly create a huge population. That makes it important to try to prevent successful cocooning.

Finally, please report finding the worms MISIN - http://www.misin.msu.edu/report/misin/?project=misin

Good luck, and share any successful tips you discover please!
Marta


> On Jul 18, 2024, at 10:17 PM, Fred Kaluza <fredkaluza...> wrote:
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> At this point I see the recommendation is to eliminate any individuals you come across. On one hand I hear they will radically alter soils with high organic content accelerate erosion in areas with hilly terrain. On the other hand, Asia still had hills and forests. I’ve also heard that Michigan had zero earthworms at all as recently as 12,000 years ago.
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>
> Asian jumping worms have found my garden. Eeek!
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Date: 7/18/24 7:17 pm
From: Fred Kaluza <fredkaluza...>
Subject: Re: [birders] Asian Jumping worm
At this point I see the recommendation is to eliminate any individuals you come across. On one hand I hear they will radically alter soils with high organic content accelerate erosion in areas with hilly terrain. On the other hand, Asia still had hills and forests. I’ve also heard that Michigan had zero earthworms at all as recently as 12,000 years ago.
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Asian jumping worms have found my garden. Eeek!

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Date: 7/18/24 10:38 am
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Subject: [birders] Asian Jumping worm

Asian jumping worms have found my garden. Eeek!

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Date: 7/18/24 10:13 am
From: Fred Kaluza <fredkaluza...>
Subject: Re: [birders] Insect - Jagged Ambush Bug
I’ll be looking. Thanks Bob.
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Jagged Ambush Bug waits patiently for prey on a Black-eyed Susan. 24 hours later, it is still in the same spot, alive and well. First one I've seen this season.

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Date: 7/18/24 8:38 am
From: Bob Tarte <enslavedbyducks...>
Subject: Re: [birders] Insect - Jagged Ambush Bug
Thanks so much, Mag. Nice to hear from you again!

On Thu, Jul 18, 2024 at 11:30 AM Mag Tait <magtait1...> wrote:

> That’s amazing! Thanks for sharing, Bob!
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> On Jul 18, 2024, at 6:45 AM, Bob Tarte <enslavedbyducks...> wrote:
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> I've only seen one so far. When the goldenrod blooms, it will be easier to
> find them.
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> On Wed, Jul 17, 2024 at 6:59 PM Scott Smith <painless...> wrote:
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>> Just saw my first one at lunch today on a Lilly in the back yard.
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>> On Jul 17, 2024 3:22 PM, Bob Tarte <enslavedbyducks...> wrote:
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>> Jagged Ambush Bug waits patiently for prey on a Black-eyed Susan. 24
>> hours later, it is still in the same spot, alive and well. First one I've
>> seen this season.
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Date: 7/18/24 8:30 am
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Date: 7/18/24 3:46 am
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Subject: Re: [birders] Insect - Jagged Ambush Bug
I've only seen one so far. When the goldenrod blooms, it will be easier to
find them.

On Wed, Jul 17, 2024 at 6:59 PM Scott Smith <painless...> wrote:

> Just saw my first one at lunch today on a Lilly in the back yard.
> Scott Smith
>
> On Jul 17, 2024 3:22 PM, Bob Tarte <enslavedbyducks...> wrote:
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> Jagged Ambush Bug waits patiently for prey on a Black-eyed Susan. 24 hours
> later, it is still in the same spot, alive and well. First one I've seen
> this season.
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Date: 7/17/24 2:13 pm
From: 'April Campbell' via Birders <birders...>
Subject: [birders] Re: More fly action!
Tiger Bee Fly, yes! They blend in with wood. Their butts are shaped to fit the Carpenter Bee’s hole. Regulars around my garden fence.

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> This fly is also fascinating! It hangs out near its victim. Can you guess who that victim might be?
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Date: 7/17/24 1:43 pm
From: Bob Tarte <enslavedbyducks...>
Subject: Re: [birders] More fly action!
Tiger Bee Fly!

The larvae feed on Carpenter Bee larvae.

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Date: 7/17/24 1:40 pm
From: Bob Tarte <enslavedbyducks...>
Subject: Re: [birders] Insect - Jagged Ambush Bug
Thanks so much for the kind words.

It is an amazing predator. I've seen one of these little guys clutching a
wasp over twice its size.

On Wed, Jul 17, 2024 at 3:41 PM John Farmer <johnfarmer788...> wrote:

> Great pics and a beautifully adapted little predator!
>
> On Wed, Jul 17, 2024, 3:22 PM Bob Tarte <enslavedbyducks...> wrote:
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>> Jagged Ambush Bug waits patiently for prey on a Black-eyed Susan. 24
>> hours later, it is still in the same spot, alive and well. First one I've
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Date: 7/17/24 1:37 pm
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Subject: [birders] More fly action!
This fly is also fascinating! It hangs out near its victim. Can you guess who that victim might be?

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Date: 7/17/24 1:37 pm
From: rawolinski via Birders <birders...>
Subject: Re: [birders] Insect - Jagged Ambush Bug
Nice photos!
On Jul 17, 2024 3:22 PM, Bob Tarte <enslavedbyducks...> wrote:

Jagged Ambush Bug waits patiently for prey on a Black-eyed Susan.
24 hours later, it is still in the same spot, alive and well.
First one I've seen this season.

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Subject: [birders] Insect - Jagged Ambush Bug
Jagged Ambush Bug waits patiently for prey on a Black-eyed Susan. 24 hours
later, it is still in the same spot, alive and well. First one I've seen
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Date: 7/13/24 11:56 am
From: April Campbell <adc14...>
Subject: Re: [birders] Robber Fly?
 

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Date: 7/13/24 8:58 am
From: Bob Tarte <enslavedbyducks...>
Subject: Re: [birders] Robber Fly?
Did anyone see the photos I sent of the Conopidae Thick-headed Fly? No
comments on whether these show the same critter that April saw.

On Fri, Jul 12, 2024 at 12:33 PM Dody <dody...> wrote:

> This reminds me of our “summer of the Cicada-Killer”. We have an open
> area with a little hill where we often sit to watch the birds, dragon
> flies, butterflies etc. About 10 years ago, we started watching this very
> interesting wasp that dug holes within about 10 feet of us. We identified
> it, and then were very intrigued (and a bit mortified) as it began lugging
> cicadas to and down the holes. It was so intent in doing the job, it
> really paid no attention to us. Fascinating!!
>
> Dody
>
> On Jul 12, 2024, at 10:19 AM, Allen Chartier <amazilia3...> wrote:
>
> Here is a link to my photos of the same species on iNaturalist that were
> confirmed by experts there as a species of Big-headed Fly (Physocephala
> tibialis). You may or may not be able to open this link...
>
> https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/91992803
>
> And here are results of a Google image search for that species.
>
> https://tinyurl.com/29y62dce
>
> Allen T. Chartier
> Inkster, Michigan
> Email: <amazilia3...>
> Photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/mihummingbirdguy/collections/
> Website/Blog: http://mihummingbirdguy.blogspot.com/
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 10, 2024 at 2:40 PM April Campbell <adc14...> wrote:
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>> Anyone familiar with this fascinating insect?
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Date: 7/12/24 10:23 am
From: Fred Kaluza <fkaluza...>
Subject: [birders] Robber Fly?

Duh on my part Allen and great point on yours! Still, aren’t there some kinds of flying insects that…even though they are in their fourth and final stage of development…go through additional molts and continue to become larger adults?

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Sent: Friday, July 12, 2024 09:32
To: Fred Kaluza <fredkaluza...>
Subject: Re: [birders] Robber Fly?

Dragonfly nymphs are entirely aquatic.

On Fri, Jul 12, 2024, 8:52 AM Fred Kaluza <fredkaluza...><mailto:<fredkaluza...>> wrote:
When I’ve seen them, I always assumed they were Dragonfly nymphs. Nice photo April!
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Anyone familiar with this fascinating insect?

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Date: 7/12/24 9:33 am
From: Dody <dody...>
Subject: Re: [birders] Robber Fly?
This reminds me of our “summer of the Cicada-Killer”. We have an open area with a little hill where we often sit to watch the birds, dragon flies, butterflies etc. About 10 years ago, we started watching this very interesting wasp that dug holes within about 10 feet of us. We identified it, and then were very intrigued (and a bit mortified) as it began lugging cicadas to and down the holes. It was so intent in doing the job, it really paid no attention to us. Fascinating!!

Dody

On Jul 12, 2024, at 10:19 AM, Allen Chartier <amazilia3...> wrote:

Here is a link to my photos of the same species on iNaturalist that were confirmed by experts there as a species of Big-headed Fly (Physocephala tibialis). You may or may not be able to open this link...

https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/91992803

And here are results of a Google image search for that species.

https://tinyurl.com/29y62dce

Allen T. Chartier
Inkster, Michigan
Email: <amazilia3...> <mailto:<amazilia3...>
Photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/mihummingbirdguy/collections/
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Date: 7/12/24 7:35 am
From: Fred Kaluza <fredkaluza...>
Subject: Re: [birders] Digest for - 4 updates in 2 topics
Yup. You can still get them at places like Lowe’s and Home Depot. I don’t like them but I use them in little cloth sachet bags (think of that yellow granulated/pelletized gum candy “Gold Rush” from the 60s and 70s) under the hood of seldom-used vehicles and automobiles. At some point, in an effort to be more environmentally friendly, the makers of electrical wiring harnesses moved to a “soy-based” polymer for wiring insulation. Turns out it was interesting and fun for rodents to chew on. The Naphthalene or Dichlorobenzene (moth balls) slowly evaporate in open air and although they stink…are effective at keeping mice out from under your hood. After I saw what was done to my Father-inlaw’s Impala, I started using them.
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Mothballs are toxic and cancer causing. Are they even sold anymore? I hope not.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 11, 2024, at 11:11 PM, Sherri Smith <grackle...> wrote:


trouble with voles. Try putting moth balls down their holes and see if they leave. Or you need owls.
Sherri Smith

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Michael Parow <mlparow...><mailto:<mlparow...>>: Jul 08 04:10PM -0400

Does anyone have experience dealing with voles? I seem to have an explosion of them this year. They are digging under my front steps, along the foundation and under my drive, and under the platform my air conditioner sits on. How much damage are they likely to cause digging/nesting where they are? Is it worth trying to get rid of them? Thanks for any advice you might be able to provide. —mike
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Pat Clancy <a2dogs...><mailto:<a2dogs...>>: Jul 08 02:43PM -0400

A person in Ann arbor claims to have found this bird, injured or stunned.
Link to the post on nextdoor:
https://nextdoor.com/p/4dJftC6J4gmq?utm_source=share&extras=ODY3MzI5&utm_campaign=1720464121226
Jack Smiley <jackrsmiley...><mailto:<jackrsmiley...>>: Jul 08 03:38PM -0400

He didn't actually say where he found the bird. He potentially might be in
China.


Pat Clancy <a2dogs...><mailto:<a2dogs...>>: Jul 08 03:49PM -0400

That's true! His nextdoor account indicates Ann Arbor, but he seems to
have an Asian name. Hmmm......

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From: Allen Chartier <amazilia3...>
Subject: Re: [birders] Robber Fly?
Here is a link to my photos of the same species on iNaturalist that were
confirmed by experts there as a species of Big-headed Fly (Physocephala
tibialis). You may or may not be able to open this link...

https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/91992803

And here are results of a Google image search for that species.

https://tinyurl.com/29y62dce

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Date: 7/12/24 7:12 am
From: Allen Chartier <amazilia3...>
Subject: Re: [birders] Digest for - 4 updates in 2 topics
Yeah, be VERY careful with poisons like that.

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> Mothballs are toxic and cancer causing. Are they even sold anymore? I hope
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> On Jul 11, 2024, at 11:11 PM, Sherri Smith <grackle...> wrote:
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> trouble with voles. Try putting moth balls down their holes and see if
> they leave. Or you need owls.
> Sherri Smith
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>> Michael Parow <mlparow...>: Jul 08 04:10PM -0400
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>> Does anyone have experience dealing with voles? I seem to have an
>> explosion of them this year. They are digging under my front steps, along
>> the foundation and under my drive, and under the platform my air
>> conditioner sits on. How much damage are they likely to cause
>> digging/nesting where they are? Is it worth trying to get rid of them?
>> Thanks for any advice you might be able to provide. —mike
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>> Pat Clancy <a2dogs...>: Jul 08 02:43PM -0400
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>> A person in Ann arbor claims to have found this bird, injured or stunned.
>> Link to the post on nextdoor:
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>> Jack Smiley <jackrsmiley...>: Jul 08 03:38PM -0400
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>> He didn't actually say where he found the bird. He potentially might be in
>> China.
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>> Pat Clancy <a2dogs...>: Jul 08 03:49PM -0400
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>> That's true! His nextdoor account indicates Ann Arbor, but he seems to
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Date: 7/12/24 6:50 am
From: April Campbell <adc14...>
Subject: Re: [birders] Digest for - 4 updates in 2 topics
 

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Date: 7/12/24 6:40 am
From: Allen Chartier <amazilia3...>
Subject: Re: [birders] Robber Fly?
Scott,

In April's second photo, I can clearly see one of the halteres, a
characteristic of Diptera, not Hymenoptera. It is the small whitish ball in
front of the hind leg.

On Fri, Jul 12, 2024, 8:52 AM Scott Smith <painless...> wrote:

> This is a wasp. It is not a Robber Fly. i would have to go through my
> entomology text to come up with the exact specie but not a fly.
>
> Dr. Scott R Smith
>
> On 7/10/2024 3:34 PM, Mag Tait wrote:
> > I am not, but it’s very cool looking!
> > Do you know how it got its name?
> > That’s the kind of bug that would keep my daughter-in-law inside. 🥰
> > Sent from my iPhone
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> >> On Jul 10, 2024, at 2:40 PM, April Campbell <adc14...> wrote:
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> >> Anyone familiar with this fascinating insect?
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Date: 7/12/24 5:52 am
From: Fred Kaluza <fredkaluza...>
Subject: Re: [birders] Fly
Creepy!
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From: April Campbell <adc14...>
Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2024 5:07:49 PM
To: Allen Chartier <amazilia3...>
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Subject: Re: [birders] Fly

Boy, the biology of this fly is fascinating. It parasitizes members of Hymenoptera and induces the wasp/bee to dig its own grave so the fly can pupate in the soil out of reach of predators. Crazy!

On Jul 10, 2024, at 4:54 PM, Allen Chartier <amazilia3...><mailto:<amazilia3...>> wrote:

April,

I saw one of these at Lower Huron Metropark a couple years ago. It was identified as a species of Thick-headed Fly (Family: Conopidae), with no English name (Physocephala tibialis).

Allen T. Chartier
Inkster, Michigan
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Another shot

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Date: 7/12/24 5:52 am
From: Matthew Spoor <matthew.spoor...>
Subject: Re: [birders] Robber Fly?
iNaturalist says:

*Physocephala* *sp. (*Conopidae), either *P. tibialis *or *P. marginata*

https://www.inaturalist.org/taxa/61897?locale=en-us

Matthew Spoor
Ann Arbor, MI

On Wed, Jul 10, 2024, 4:20 PM Ron Gamble <rongamble...> wrote:

> I'm thinking wasp, genus Lycogaster... but I'm not saying that's it.
> George ... you out there to comment? Someone else?
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> Ron G.
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> Do you know how it got its name?
> That’s the kind of bug that would keep my daughter-in-law inside. 🥰
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Date: 7/12/24 5:52 am
From: Scott Smith <painless...>
Subject: Re: [birders] Robber Fly?
This is a wasp. It is not a Robber Fly. i would have to go through my
entomology text to come up with the exact specie but not a fly.

Dr. Scott R Smith

On 7/10/2024 3:34 PM, Mag Tait wrote:
> I am not, but it’s very cool looking!
> Do you know how it got its name?
> That’s the kind of bug that would keep my daughter-in-law inside. 🥰
> Sent from my iPhone
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Date: 7/12/24 5:52 am
From: Fred Kaluza <fredkaluza...>
Subject: Re: [birders] Robber Fly?
When I’ve seen them, I always assumed they were Dragonfly nymphs. Nice photo April!
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Anyone familiar with this fascinating insect?

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Date: 7/11/24 7:46 pm
From: Sherri Smith <grackle...>
Subject: Re: [birders] Digest for - 4 updates in 2 topics
trouble with voles. Try putting moth balls down their holes and see if
they leave. Or you need owls.
Sherri Smith

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> Does anyone have experience dealing with voles? I seem to have an
> explosion of them this year. They are digging under my front steps, along
> the foundation and under my drive, and under the platform my air
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Date: 7/11/24 6:31 pm
From: April Deborah Campbell <adc14...>
Subject: [birders] Inadequate bird flu testing is making pandemic experts concerned we're "flying blind" with H5N1 | Salon.com


In Michigan, testing for bird flu is done at only one lab at MSU which is beyond crazy. Per a recent conversation, DNR only tests if there are “large die-offs. It appears we learned little from the Covid pandemic. How can you begin to deal with this virus if you have no clue about the extent of its circulation in a population. This is epidemiology 101!
>
> https://www.salon.com/2024/05/10/inadequate-bird-flu-testing-is-making-experts-concerned-were-flying-blind-with-h5n1/ <https://www.salon.com/2024/05/10/inadequate-bird-flu-testing-is-making-experts-concerned-were-flying-blind-with-h5n1/>
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> Inadequate bird flu testing is making pandemic experts concerned we're "flying blind" with H5N1
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> A lack of data and surveillance of the virus is worrying some public health experts about cases going unnoticed
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> After public health officials confirmed H5N1, the virus also known as bird flu <https://www.salon.com/2023/08/06/fur-farms-are-breeding-grounds-for-disease-and-a-public-health-threat-its-time-to-shut-them-down/>, jumped from poultry to cows and recently infected an American, they’ve warned that if the virus strain made its way to pigs, it could be a time to press the panic button. That's because swine are closer to humans in genetic terms, acting as a prime reservoir for viruses to mutate into something that could turn into a far-reaching pandemic in people.
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> But now, a new study suggests that dairy cows might have the same potential as pigs, which could improve the bird flu’s capability of being more human-to-human transmission.
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> As reported by Nature <https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-024-01333-9>, preliminary data shows <https://virological.org/t/preliminary-report-on-genomic-epidemiology-of-the-2024-h5n1-influenza-a-virus-outbreak-in-u-s-cattle-part-2-of-2/971> that the flu virus can jump back and forth between cows and birds thanks to a specific receptor. This specific trait might allow the virus to spread more widely and develop more mutations along the way. If a single cow can be a host to multiple types of influenza over time, it could evolve to more readily infect humans.
>
> “The biggest question is whether cows are mixing vessels like pigs; pigs are well-known mixing vessels for influenza because they have both avian and human receptors and that allows a virus to mutate pretty easily and to make it more susceptible to humans,” Katelyn Jetelina, an epidemiologist and author of the newsletter Your Local Epidemiologist <https://yourlocalepidemiologist.substack.com/>, told Salon. “And this preprint said that cows have both avian and human receptors in the mammary glands as well as other areas of the cow, which may suggest that they're a mixing vessel.”
>
> Jetelina emphasized that “may” is a key word.
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> “Because although they have the receptor it doesn't necessarily mean it's active, it doesn't necessarily mean it's exactly how we see the dynamics playing in pigs,” she said. “So it really opens up more questions and answers at this point.”
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> Dr. Rajendram Rajnarayanan <https://www.nyit.edu/bio/rrajnara> of the New York Institute of Technology campus in Jonesboro, Ark., told Salon this preliminary report “changes things a lot.”
>
> “That means that if you let the virus collect in cows a lot, then soon you’re going to see an adaptation that's going to pick it up in humans and other mammals,” he said. Pigs can get infected with multiple viruses at a time. This could make it easier for the virus to mutate into a new one that could more easily jump from mammal to mammal, like say, from one human to another. If that’s the case with cows, as Rajnarayanan said, “that's going to be a problem.”
>
> According to data from the U.S. Department of Agriculture <https://www.cdc.gov/flu/avianflu/avian-flu-summary.htm> (USDA), at least 42 dairy cattle farms have been infected in at least nine states. But infectious disease experts highly suspect there are more since testing is voluntary, unless they are being moved between state lines <https://www.usda.gov/media/press-releases/2024/04/24/usda-actions-protect-livestock-health-highly-pathogenic-h5n1-avian>. The USDA also reported <https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/avian-influenza-bird-flu/usda-reports-more-h5n1-detections-poultry-wild-birds> this week more confirmed cases of H5N1 in poultry and wild birds, including pigeons at a Michigan dairy where an outbreak has occurred. Meanwhile, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) has also urged state health officials to provide personal protective equipment <https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/4647247-cdc-recommends-ppe-livestock-workers-bird-flu-risk-low/> for livestock workers.
>
> On Thursday, the CDC announced <https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-post-influenza-wastewater-data-online-help-with-bird-flu-probe-official-says-2024-05-09/> the launch of a dashboard to track wastewater samples of the virus and confirmed the presence of influenza A in wastewater samples. But as Reuters reports, "The wastewater tests are capable of detecting many types of influenza A, including the H5N1 subtype, but the findings do not indicate the source of the virus or whether it came from a bird, cow, milk or from farm runoff or humans."
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> Notably, bird flu is not a new virus <https://www.salon.com/2023/10/24/in-a-first-bird-flu-reaches-antarctica-threatening-to-wipe-out-tons-of-penguins-and-other-birds/> like SARS-CoV-2, which causes COVID-19, was when it first began spreading in late 2019. H5N1 has been spreading in birds since at least 2021, killing hundreds of millions of them around the world <https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-01338-2>. It has also infected other mammals, including seals and bears. However, this outbreak is the first time officials have confirmed that the virus has jumped from a cow to a human, and the line of transmission suggests it’s easily passed between cows.
>
> The last time a human tested positive for H5N1 was in April 2022 in Colorado <https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2022/s0428-avian-flu.html>, when an individual got infected from poultry. Recently, a report published in the New England Journal of Medicine <https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2405371> shed more light on the one confirmed human case where someone got infected from an infected cow. A photo in the journal showed the patient with conjunctivitis in both eyes, also known as pink eye, with a subconjunctival hemorrhage, which is like a bruise, making them appear bloody. The patient was treated with an antiviral right away, and close contacts were given post-exposure prophylaxis. Notably, the patient didn’t have any respiratory symptoms, and household contacts remained in good health, according to the report.
>
> "There's not really an incentive for them to test."
>
> “I think they acted quickly on that person, and that was good,” Rajnarayanan said. “But the only thing is, we haven't really heard about anything else.” He added it’s likely that there have been more cases that haven’t been recorded. Jetelina agreed she wouldn’t be surprised to hear of more human cases either. As noted in Nature, there have been anecdotal reports of farm workers being infected. One expert told the publication that they suspect the exposure is widespread.
>
> Jetelina said it’s important to note “the social context” in which this situation is unfolding. Primarily, a majority of farmer workers are undocumented, Spanish-speaking immigrants.
>
> “There's not really an incentive for them to test,” Jetelina said. “If they test positive that means they're out of work for two weeks, which has huge implications to their family and there's a lot of language barriers as well.”
>
> In order to move forward, Jetelina said there needs to be better data transparency and communication.
>
> “And this isn't just disease-based, this is working with humans and all the behaviors and values that those humans possess,” she said. “And I think all we can do is try to explain why we want them to be tested, protect them with incentives for example, paid time-off would be great.”
>
> But as it stands, Jetelina said “we’re flying blind.”
>
> Rajnarayanan said at the moment, he’s at his “highest level of concern.”
>
> “We are running blind, we don't really have a lot of data,” he said. “The data is coming here and there, but it's [difficult] to connect the dots sometimes when you have dots that are so far from each other.”
>
> Read more
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> about pandemics
>
> Sick, hot world: Climate change favors disease vectors, threatening to unleash more pandemics <https://www.salon.com/2024/04/11/sick-hot-world-climate-change-favors-disease-vectors-threatening-to-unleash-more/>
> Infectious desire: How the pandemic is still negatively impacting our sex lives <https://www.salon.com/2024/02/14/infectious-desire-how-the-is-still-negatively-impacting-our-lives/>
> How to vaccinate raccoons for rabies? From the sky <https://www.salon.com/2023/09/22/how-to-vaccinate-raccoons-for-rabies-from-the-sky_partner/>

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Date: 7/11/24 7:38 am
From: Bob Tarte <enslavedbyducks...>
Subject: Re: [birders] Robber Fly?
Hi, April,

Looks like a Conopidae Thick-headed Fly.

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Date: 7/10/24 3:26 pm
From: Fred Kaluza <fkaluza...>
Subject: [birders] Playing with my “Birdfy” feeder.
The folks at Birdfy “Netvue” continue to evolve their “A.I.” capabilities. They released a new feature today that gathers your daily “capture” images and produces a compilation video with statistics. I’m finding the automatic identification is correct over 90% of the time. I got this one from Sam’s Club for about $180.00

https://recap.birdfy.com/?uuid=9558c6c6a1b34336a8f06b5d1e4f6fab

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Date: 7/10/24 2:08 pm
From: April Campbell <adc14...>
Subject: Re: [birders] Fly
Boy, the biology of this fly is fascinating. It parasitizes members of Hymenoptera and induces the wasp/bee to dig its own grave so the fly can pupate in the soil out of reach of predators. Crazy!

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> April,
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> I saw one of these at Lower Huron Metropark a couple years ago. It was identified as a species of Thick-headed Fly (Family: Conopidae), with no English name (Physocephala tibialis).
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Date: 7/10/24 1:59 pm
From: April Campbell <adc14...>
Subject: Re: [birders] Fly
Thanks all! Thick Headed fly. I’ve never seen this in my yard before. Crazy looking fly. He (apparently a male) was lurking on my swamp milkweed plants. I tried for macro shots, but the wind stymied me.

> On Jul 10, 2024, at 4:54 PM, Allen Chartier <amazilia3...> wrote:
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> April,
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> I saw one of these at Lower Huron Metropark a couple years ago. It was identified as a species of Thick-headed Fly (Family: Conopidae), with no English name (Physocephala tibialis).
>
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Date: 7/10/24 1:55 pm
From: Allen Chartier <amazilia3...>
Subject: Re: [birders] Fly
April,

I saw one of these at Lower Huron Metropark a couple years ago. It was
identified as a species of Thick-headed Fly (Family: Conopidae), with no
English name (Physocephala tibialis).

Allen T. Chartier
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Date: 7/10/24 1:20 pm
From: Ron Gamble <rongamble...>
Subject: RE: [birders] Robber Fly?
I'm thinking wasp, genus Lycogaster... but I'm not saying that's it. George ... you out there to comment? Someone else?

Ron G.

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I am not, but it’s very cool looking!
Do you know how it got its name?
That’s the kind of bug that would keep my daughter-in-law inside. 🥰
Sent from my iPhone

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Date: 7/10/24 12:49 pm
From: C <empidonaxdvg...>
Subject: [birders] RFI -- Red Crossbill Feeding Observations
Hi all,

I'm writing with my late summer request for observations of red crossbills
foraging on conifers. Now is the time when cone crops on many conifers are
starting to mature, so crossbills could be gearing up to breed if there is
a decent cone crop near you.

As a reminder: I'm looking for recordings of red crossbill calls from the
eastern US/Great Lakes with information on the conifers the birds are
feeding on. The recordings do not have to be made with any advanced
equipment -- most phone recordings are sufficient. Pictures of the conifer
cones are most helpful. However, if you are comfortable with conifer
identification, notes on which conifers birds are feeding on are also
valuable.

I also wrote a short update on the project and the 2023-2024 "conifer
season" on the iNaturalist page for this project (link here
<https://www.inaturalist.org/projects/feeding-ecology-of-eastern-red-crossbills/journal/96709-2023-2024-recap>).
We are quickly approaching 1,000 observations, and this past year was a
very interesting one!

Many thanks to everyone who has contributed!

Best,
Dr. Cody Porter
Holland, MI

iNaturalist Project Link: https://www.inaturalist.org/
projects/feeding-ecology-of-eastern-red-crossbills

Project Description: https://www.ckporterlab.com/community-science

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Date: 7/10/24 12:34 pm
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I am not, but it’s very cool looking!
Do you know how it got its name?
That’s the kind of bug that would keep my daughter-in-law inside. 🥰
Sent from my iPhone

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Date: 7/10/24 11:48 am
From: April Campbell <adc14...>
Subject: [birders] Fly
Another shot

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Date: 7/10/24 11:40 am
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Subject: [birders] Robber Fly?
Anyone familiar with this fascinating insect?

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Date: 7/8/24 1:11 pm
From: Michael Parow <mlparow...>
Subject: [birders] OT: Voles
Does anyone have experience dealing with voles? I seem to have an explosion of them this year. They are digging under my front steps, along the foundation and under my drive, and under the platform my air conditioner sits on. How much damage are they likely to cause digging/nesting where they are? Is it worth trying to get rid of them? Thanks for any advice you might be able to provide. —mike

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Date: 7/8/24 12:50 pm
From: Pat Clancy <a2dogs...>
Subject: Re: [birders] Yellow throated bunting?
That's true! His nextdoor account indicates Ann Arbor, but he seems to
have an Asian name. Hmmm......

On Mon, Jul 8, 2024, 3:38 PM Jack Smiley <jackrsmiley...> wrote:

> He didn't actually say where he found the bird. He potentially might be
> in China.
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 8, 2024 at 2:43 PM Pat Clancy <a2dogs...> wrote:
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>> A person in Ann arbor claims to have found this bird, injured or
>> stunned. Link to the post on nextdoor:
>> https://nextdoor.com/p/4dJftC6J4gmq?utm_source=share&extras=ODY3MzI5&utm_campaign=1720464121226
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Date: 7/8/24 12:38 pm
From: Jack Smiley <jackrsmiley...>
Subject: Re: [birders] Yellow throated bunting?
He didn't actually say where he found the bird. He potentially might be in
China.


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> A person in Ann arbor claims to have found this bird, injured or stunned.
> Link to the post on nextdoor:
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Date: 7/8/24 11:43 am
From: Pat Clancy <a2dogs...>
Subject: [birders] Yellow throated bunting?
A person in Ann arbor claims to have found this bird, injured or stunned.
Link to the post on nextdoor:
https://nextdoor.com/p/4dJftC6J4gmq?utm_source=share&extras=ODY3MzI5&utm_campaign=1720464121226

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Date: 7/1/24 2:34 pm
From: Dody <dody...>
Subject: Re: [birders] Merlins
Thank you everyone for your thoughts! Confirms my suspicions.

For anyone interested in a couple of other things I’ve seen in my raptor rehab decades are:

1) When I started, red-taileds were a common species coming in to rehab. Cooper’s hawks were rare. Then sometime about 15 years ago, I had more cooper’s than red-taileds. I’d say red-taileds are creeping back to beating cooper’s.

2) Again, when I started, almost all screech owls were grey. Rarely did I get a red phase. About ten years ago it got to be about 50/50 and now it’s getting back to mostly grey.

Dody

On Jul 1, 2024, at 12:04 AM, April Deborah Campbell <adc14...> wrote:

Merlins have been expanding their range south for over three decades. I saw them nesting in NY near Syracuse in 1991. This was unheard of at the time. I’ve seen them in my native New England multiple times (though not in my home state of Connecticut, but I bet they are there!) Two theories promulgated for this expansion south include their need for relatively open spaces to hunt which urbanization provides as well as larger populations of northern birds pushing individuals to the South. A pair nested in a crow’s nest several streets west of me here in Ann Arbor about 6 years ago. Really cool to see a bird buck the climate change trend whatever the reason.

April

> On Jun 30, 2024, at 9:40 PM, <juliet.berger...> wrote:
>
> Hello Dody and all,
> In the last several years I have been made aware of Merlin’s nesting in our area, far south of their traditional range.
> This would explain why your fellow rehabber has seen 2 in June in Southeast Michigan.
> I wonder what is driving the range expansion southward.
> Good birding
> Juliet Berger
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jun 30, 2024, at 9:09 PM, Kathie Gourlay <gourlay222...> wrote:
>>
>> I saw my the first merlin in my life in May of this year, flying over Dexter. Does that mean their numbers are increasing? Maybe.
>> Kathie Gourlay
>> Chelsea
>>
>>> On Jun 30, 2024, at 1:23 PM, Dody <dody...> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Everyone,
>>>
>>> Some you know I’ve spent about 35 years rehabilitating raptors. I think during that time I had one merlin in rehab - from north of Chelsea. My protege has had two in the last couple of weeks. One a nestling found in Plymouth that she couldn’t reunite and is now with a falconer. The other one, a mature bird, was brought in DOA from Royal Oak.
>>>
>>> Are you all seeing more of them? Or are they clever enough to stay out of trouble and therefore stay out of rehab? I’ve seen several interesting trends over these years and wonder if this might be a new one starting.
>>>
>>> Dody
>>>
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Date: 7/1/24 5:00 am
From: <juliet.berger...>
Subject: Re: [birders] Merlins
Merlins’ traditional breeding range included New England States, the Tip of the Mitt and the UP. It’s the SE Michigan breeding that is surprising and new. However, their population is growing fast (they were moved from Threatened in MI to Special Concern with no legal protection, last year). They have been a real threat to the recovery of the Great Lakes Piping Plover, and often have to be relocated from areas adjacent to GLPIPL territory.
I’m guessing their southern expansion is, as April suggests, due to increased numbers and need for more habitat.
Best
Juliet Berger
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> On Jul 1, 2024, at 12:04 AM, April Deborah Campbell <adc14...> wrote:
>
> Merlins have been expanding their range south for over three decades. I saw them nesting in NY near Syracuse in 1991. This was unheard of at the time. I’ve seen them in my native New England multiple times (though not in my home state of Connecticut, but I bet they are there!) Two theories promulgated for this expansion south include their need for relatively open spaces to hunt which urbanization provides as well as larger populations of northern birds pushing individuals to the South. A pair nested in a crow’s nest several streets west of me here in Ann Arbor about 6 years ago. Really cool to see a bird buck the climate change trend whatever the reason.
>
> April
>
>> On Jun 30, 2024, at 9:40 PM, <juliet.berger...> wrote:
>>
>> Hello Dody and all,
>> In the last several years I have been made aware of Merlin’s nesting in our area, far south of their traditional range.
>> This would explain why your fellow rehabber has seen 2 in June in Southeast Michigan.
>> I wonder what is driving the range expansion southward.
>> Good birding
>> Juliet Berger
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>>> On Jun 30, 2024, at 9:09 PM, Kathie Gourlay <gourlay222...> wrote:
>>>
>>> I saw my the first merlin in my life in May of this year, flying over Dexter. Does that mean their numbers are increasing? Maybe.
>>> Kathie Gourlay
>>> Chelsea
>>>
>>>> On Jun 30, 2024, at 1:23 PM, Dody <dody...> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Everyone,
>>>>
>>>> Some you know I’ve spent about 35 years rehabilitating raptors. I think during that time I had one merlin in rehab - from north of Chelsea. My protege has had two in the last couple of weeks. One a nestling found in Plymouth that she couldn’t reunite and is now with a falconer. The other one, a mature bird, was brought in DOA from Royal Oak.
>>>>
>>>> Are you all seeing more of them? Or are they clever enough to stay out of trouble and therefore stay out of rehab? I’ve seen several interesting trends over these years and wonder if this might be a new one starting.
>>>>
>>>> Dody
>>>>
>>>>
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Date: 6/30/24 9:04 pm
From: April Deborah Campbell <adc14...>
Subject: Re: [birders] Merlins
Merlins have been expanding their range south for over three decades. I saw them nesting in NY near Syracuse in 1991. This was unheard of at the time. I’ve seen them in my native New England multiple times (though not in my home state of Connecticut, but I bet they are there!) Two theories promulgated for this expansion south include their need for relatively open spaces to hunt which urbanization provides as well as larger populations of northern birds pushing individuals to the South. A pair nested in a crow’s nest several streets west of me here in Ann Arbor about 6 years ago. Really cool to see a bird buck the climate change trend whatever the reason.

April

> On Jun 30, 2024, at 9:40 PM, <juliet.berger...> wrote:
>
> Hello Dody and all,
> In the last several years I have been made aware of Merlin’s nesting in our area, far south of their traditional range.
> This would explain why your fellow rehabber has seen 2 in June in Southeast Michigan.
> I wonder what is driving the range expansion southward.
> Good birding
> Juliet Berger
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jun 30, 2024, at 9:09 PM, Kathie Gourlay <gourlay222...> wrote:
>>
>> I saw my the first merlin in my life in May of this year, flying over Dexter. Does that mean their numbers are increasing? Maybe.
>> Kathie Gourlay
>> Chelsea
>>
>>> On Jun 30, 2024, at 1:23 PM, Dody <dody...> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Everyone,
>>>
>>> Some you know I’ve spent about 35 years rehabilitating raptors. I think during that time I had one merlin in rehab - from north of Chelsea. My protege has had two in the last couple of weeks. One a nestling found in Plymouth that she couldn’t reunite and is now with a falconer. The other one, a mature bird, was brought in DOA from Royal Oak.
>>>
>>> Are you all seeing more of them? Or are they clever enough to stay out of trouble and therefore stay out of rehab? I’ve seen several interesting trends over these years and wonder if this might be a new one starting.
>>>
>>> Dody
>>>
>>>
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Date: 6/30/24 6:40 pm
From: <juliet.berger...>
Subject: Re: [birders] Merlins
Hello Dody and all,
In the last several years I have been made aware of Merlin’s nesting in our area, far south of their traditional range.
This would explain why your fellow rehabber has seen 2 in June in Southeast Michigan.
I wonder what is driving the range expansion southward.
Good birding
Juliet Berger
Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 30, 2024, at 9:09 PM, Kathie Gourlay <gourlay222...> wrote:
>
> I saw my the first merlin in my life in May of this year, flying over Dexter. Does that mean their numbers are increasing? Maybe.
> Kathie Gourlay
> Chelsea
>
>> On Jun 30, 2024, at 1:23 PM, Dody <dody...> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Everyone,
>>
>> Some you know I’ve spent about 35 years rehabilitating raptors. I think during that time I had one merlin in rehab - from north of Chelsea. My protege has had two in the last couple of weeks. One a nestling found in Plymouth that she couldn’t reunite and is now with a falconer. The other one, a mature bird, was brought in DOA from Royal Oak.
>>
>> Are you all seeing more of them? Or are they clever enough to stay out of trouble and therefore stay out of rehab? I’ve seen several interesting trends over these years and wonder if this might be a new one starting.
>>
>> Dody
>>
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Date: 6/30/24 6:09 pm
From: Kathie Gourlay <gourlay222...>
Subject: Re: [birders] Merlins
I saw my the first merlin in my life in May of this year, flying over Dexter. Does that mean their numbers are increasing? Maybe.
Kathie Gourlay
Chelsea

> On Jun 30, 2024, at 1:23 PM, Dody <dody...> wrote:
>
> Hi Everyone,
>
> Some you know I’ve spent about 35 years rehabilitating raptors. I think during that time I had one merlin in rehab - from north of Chelsea. My protege has had two in the last couple of weeks. One a nestling found in Plymouth that she couldn’t reunite and is now with a falconer. The other one, a mature bird, was brought in DOA from Royal Oak.
>
> Are you all seeing more of them? Or are they clever enough to stay out of trouble and therefore stay out of rehab? I’ve seen several interesting trends over these years and wonder if this might be a new one starting.
>
> Dody
>
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Date: 6/30/24 10:23 am
From: Dody <dody...>
Subject: [birders] Merlins
Hi Everyone,

Some you know I’ve spent about 35 years rehabilitating raptors. I think during that time I had one merlin in rehab - from north of Chelsea. My protege has had two in the last couple of weeks. One a nestling found in Plymouth that she couldn’t reunite and is now with a falconer. The other one, a mature bird, was brought in DOA from Royal Oak.

Are you all seeing more of them? Or are they clever enough to stay out of trouble and therefore stay out of rehab? I’ve seen several interesting trends over these years and wonder if this might be a new one starting.

Dody


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