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> This, (sound file attached), bird has been coming to my yard the last few evenings at dusk and I can't place it. Anyone know?
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Date: 7/9/20 1:46 pm From: Ron Gamble <rongamble...> Subject: [birders] New book about Birds and History of their Names
This info is from Jim McCormac’s blog (date 5July2020) www.jimmccormac.blogspot.com <http://www.jimmccormac.blogspot.com/> . If you enjoy nature and learning, I highly recommend his blog!
“ “Bird is the Word: An Historical Perspective on the Names of North American Birds” (McDonald & Woodward; 437 pages, $39.95) by Gary H. Meiter
What’s in a bird name? Lots of facts and history.
For decades, the bible for bird nomenclature was “The Dictionary of American Bird Names,” by Ernest Choate. A slender volume released in 1973 and updated in 1985, it spanned 226 pages and was a favorite of birders.
Author Gary H. Meiter has created an elegantly presented treatise on bird nomenclature that is the new standard. He treats more than 900 species in “Bird is the Word” — almost every species found in North America north of Mexico.
A brief introduction describes the book’s layout, including an interesting summary of notable American ornithologists. Meiter concisely describes the science of naming things, and the history of how common and scientific names came to be. The reader will learn interesting trivia, such as what a tautonym is (there are 16 North American bird species with tautonymic names).
The pages are punctuated with beautiful illustrations by some of America’s most accomplished avian artists. It’s a visual delight to turn a page and face a rendering of a pair of pileated woodpeckers by Louis Agassiz Fuertes, or a magnificent frigatebird in full swoop from the hand of John James Audubon. The inclusion of artwork is a nice touch, and one that reinforces this book’s attention to detail.
Interesting sidebars are peppered throughout the accounts. There are 42, and they serve as intellectual nuggets breaking up the main text. Sidebars cover all manner of intriguing trivia, as suggested by headers such as “Bird of Fire,” “The Trickster of the North Woods” and “Birds as Weather Prophets.”
Each bird family is prefaced with an introductory description. Perhaps you have wondered why whip-poor-wills are known as goatsuckers. You will find the answer here.
Bird lore is rife with fanciful colloquial names, and this book seems to have them all. For instance, a woodpecker common in Ohio, the northern flicker, has about 160 nicknames. These include cotton-rump, high-hole, and yellowhammer. A wonderful sobriquet for the American bittern is belcher-squelcher, but if that doesn’t tickle your fancy, Meiter lists dozens of other nicknames for this heron.
Learning a bird’s name is just the start of getting to know it. “Bird is the Word” will decode that name and in the process expand your knowledge of the species. Anyone who enjoys the feathered crowd should have a copy of this book.
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Date: 7/9/20 8:31 am From: 'William Sonnett' via Birders <birders...> Subject: [birders] Re: A standing group of 12 mallard hens.
Hen and young of the year. Young are still in eclipse plumage which looks like Henn plumage. Drakes will have gree bills, hens will have orange bills
On Thursday, July 9, 2020 at 9:41:03 AM UTC-4, Jeffrey Von Glahn wrote: > > Spotted often at Gallup. A group of 12(?) mallard hens. One slightly > bigger than the rest. When moving to new spot, she leads; when others are > browsing, she follows; when others sit, she remains standing. What am I > looking at? >
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Date: 7/9/20 8:28 am From: 'William Sonnett' via Birders <birders...> Subject: [birders] Re: A standing group of 12 mallard hens.
On Thursday, July 9, 2020 at 9:41:03 AM UTC-4, Jeffrey Von Glahn wrote: > > Spotted often at Gallup. A group of 12(?) mallard hens. One slightly > bigger than the rest. When moving to new spot, she leads; when others are > browsing, she follows; when others sit, she remains standing. What am I > looking at? >
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Date: 7/9/20 7:15 am From: John Farmer <ajf-jlf...> Subject: [birders] Putting closure on my "Avian Refugee" posting
Thanks also to Patrick, Lisa, Chris, and Jame. The collective knowledge in this list of birds foreign and domestic has centered on the Japanese Quail or Coturnix. At this website <https://www.google.com/search?source=univ&tbm=isch&q=lavender+coturnix+quail&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjhsuzDocDqAhUMTawKHSrDCZoQ7Al6BAgKEDk&biw=1366&bih=657> showing photos of the "Lavender" color form variant of the apparently popular caged birds, the right hand member of the pair at top left and the single large photo near center of row two most closely match the two birds I found. I have yet to locate the neighbor who lost them, but am still checking. I've re-attached my pic for anyone who'd like to compare them with the prototypes on the website.
JF in Milan
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Subject: [birders] Avian Refugees - follow-up
Thanks to Jack, Alice, and Jochen for their input! The consensus is that those birds are NOT Mourning Doves, but rather some variety of domesticated quail or partridge. I'm convinced of my error, and am now trying to determine just what species they were and whose coop they may have escaped from.
Considering their tameness and vulnerability, having chosen a spot so near a well-traveled road, I returned to the spot last evening with a net and cage thinking I'd capture them and see if I could find their owner. Not surprisingly, they were gone.
In the case that I learn more, I'll post my findings.
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Date: 7/9/20 6:41 am From: Jeffrey Von Glahn <jeffreyvonglahn...> Subject: [birders] A standing group of 12 mallard hens.
Spotted often at Gallup. A group of 12(?) mallard hens. One slightly bigger than the rest. When moving to new spot, she leads; when others are browsing, she follows; when others sit, she remains standing. What am I looking at?
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Date: 7/9/20 6:24 am From: James Hunt <cadescove100...> Subject: [birders] Avian Refugees - follow-up
Looks to me most similar to Chukar chicks
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Also look like quail to me. Interesting variation in plumage
Penny
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> On Jul 7, 2020, at 8:10 PM, Patrick Baize <pkbaize...> wrote:
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> It sure would be interesting to see what they would grow up to be!!!!
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> On Tuesday, July 7, 2020, 06:08:54 PM EDT, 'Alice Elliott' via Birders <birders...> wrote:
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> Those are definitely not mourning doves. Far too big and stocky, plus the beak is too short and fat. Baby MODO beaks look just like pigeon beaks. I've attached some pictures of fledgling mourning doves; we get them all the time at the Bird Center, and I love them but they're sooooooo ugly (I mean that in the nicest possible way). Their face and neck feathers stick up everywhere like they are teenagers that just rolled out of bed. Your birds look look far too sleek to be MODOs!
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> I agree with Jack Smiley's assessment that they are more likely quail based on the beak and body shape. No idea what kind though. Too light and solid-colored for Bobwhites.
>
> On Tue, Jul 7, 2020 at 5:54 PM Jack Smiley <jackrsmiley...> wrote:
> They look more like quail to me. Not sure of the species, since many people seem to be raising different species/varieties these days.
>
> On Tue, Jul 7, 2020 at 5:23 PM John Farmer <ajf-jlf...> wrote:
> During today's walk along Mooreville Road 1/2 mile NW of the Kroger store
> in Milan, MI, I came upon this pair of cowering siblings. They were about a
> yard off the edge of the blacktop when my approach sent them off a few feet
> in search of better cover. I backed off and they regrouped in the little
> depression that I'm guessing is a semblance of their recently abandoned
> nursery, from which they were most likely forcibly evicted by a gust of wind
> during yesterday's thunderstorm, a veritable hurricane for the little waifs.
>
> When I snapped the pic, there was no doubt in my mind but that they were a
> pair of young morning doves. I still believe them to be that, but when I
> cropped and enlarged their photo to better share it, I saw details that had
> earlier escaped me -- the color difference between the two birds, the
> shortness of the beaks, and the light colored centerlines on most of the
> body feathers. I assume the color difference is an artifact of the lighting
> at the time, and am guessing that the unexpected beak and feather features
> are simply indicators of immaturity, but never having looked this closely at
> a recently fledged morning dove, I'm not certain of that appraisal.
>
> Other opinions will be welcomed!
>
> JF
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Date: 7/8/20 8:39 am From: John Farmer <ajf-jlf...> Subject: [birders] Avian Refugees - follow-up
Thanks to Jack, Alice, and Jochen for their input! The consensus is that those birds are NOT MODOs, but rather some variety of domesticated quail or partridge. I'm convinced of my error, and am now trying to determine just what species they were and whose coop they may have escaped from.
Considering their tameness and vulnerability, having chosen a spot so near a well-traveled road, I returned to the spot last evening with a net and cage thinking I'd capture them and see if I could find their owner. Not surprisingly, they were gone.
In that case, If I learn more, I'll post my findings.
JF
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Date: 7/8/20 5:10 am From: Phil Bugosh <peb729...> Subject: [birders] Oakland Audubon Society Zoom Program Meeting, Tuesday July 14, 7:00 PM. Everyone is invited.
Tuesday, July 14, 2020 at 7:00 PM. The site will open at 6:30 PM so you can log on early. See the Zoom invitation at the end of this email for details to log into the program.
"Birding Colombia - A Birding Bonanza" will be the program presented by OAS President Don Burlett. Colombia boasts having the largest list of birds for any country in the world. With over 1800 species, it has it all. Habitats range from the Amazon River and the "jungle" to the Andes mountains. One trip won't allow you to see them all but several trips will let you see many of them. This presentation covers two trips to Colombia and will provide a taste of what birding there is like.
We'll mute everyone during the presentation and then have time for questions afterwards. Everyone is invited to attend, you do not have to be a member to participate. Phil Bugosh, Oakland Audubon Society
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It sure would be interesting to see what they would grow up to be!!!!
Pat B. Howell, Michigan
On Tuesday, July 7, 2020, 06:08:54 PM EDT, 'Alice Elliott' via Birders <birders...> wrote:
Those are definitely not mourning doves. Far too big and stocky, plus the beak is too short and fat. Baby MODO beaks look just like pigeon beaks. I've attached some pictures of fledgling mourning doves; we get them all the time at the Bird Center, and I love them but they're sooooooo ugly (I mean that in the nicest possible way). Their face and neck feathers stick up everywhere like they are teenagers that just rolled out of bed. Your birds look look far too sleek to be MODOs!
I agree with Jack Smiley's assessment that they are more likely quail based on the beak and body shape. No idea what kind though. Too light and solid-colored for Bobwhites.
On Tue, Jul 7, 2020 at 5:54 PM Jack Smiley <jackrsmiley...> wrote:
They look more like quail to me. Not sure of the species, since many people seem to be raising different species/varieties these days.
On Tue, Jul 7, 2020 at 5:23 PM John Farmer <ajf-jlf...> wrote:
During today's walk along Mooreville Road 1/2 mile NW of the Kroger store
in Milan, MI, I came upon this pair of cowering siblings. They were about a
yard off the edge of the blacktop when my approach sent them off a few feet
in search of better cover. I backed off and they regrouped in the little
depression that I'm guessing is a semblance of their recently abandoned
nursery, from which they were most likely forcibly evicted by a gust of wind
during yesterday's thunderstorm, a veritable hurricane for the little waifs.
When I snapped the pic, there was no doubt in my mind but that they were a
pair of young morning doves. I still believe them to be that, but when I
cropped and enlarged their photo to better share it, I saw details that had
earlier escaped me -- the color difference between the two birds, the
shortness of the beaks, and the light colored centerlines on most of the
body feathers. I assume the color difference is an artifact of the lighting
at the time, and am guessing that the unexpected beak and feather features
are simply indicators of immaturity, but never having looked this closely at
a recently fledged morning dove, I'm not certain of that appraisal.
Other opinions will be welcomed!
JF
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Those are definitely not mourning doves. Far too big and stocky, plus the beak is too short and fat. Baby MODO beaks look just like pigeon beaks. I've attached some pictures of fledgling mourning doves; we get them all the time at the Bird Center, and I love them but they're sooooooo ugly (I mean that in the nicest possible way). Their face and neck feathers stick up everywhere like they are teenagers that just rolled out of bed. Your birds look look far too sleek to be MODOs!
I agree with Jack Smiley's assessment that they are more likely quail based on the beak and body shape. No idea what kind though. Too light and solid-colored for Bobwhites.
On Tue, Jul 7, 2020 at 5:54 PM Jack Smiley <jackrsmiley...> wrote:
> They look more like quail to me. Not sure of the species, since many > people seem to be raising different species/varieties these days. > > On Tue, Jul 7, 2020 at 5:23 PM John Farmer <ajf-jlf...> wrote: > >> During today's walk along Mooreville Road 1/2 mile NW of the Kroger store >> in Milan, MI, I came upon this pair of cowering siblings. They were >> about a >> yard off the edge of the blacktop when my approach sent them off a few >> feet >> in search of better cover. I backed off and they regrouped in the little >> depression that I'm guessing is a semblance of their recently abandoned >> nursery, from which they were most likely forcibly evicted by a gust of >> wind >> during yesterday's thunderstorm, a veritable hurricane for the little >> waifs. >> >> When I snapped the pic, there was no doubt in my mind but that they were a >> pair of young morning doves. I still believe them to be that, but when I >> cropped and enlarged their photo to better share it, I saw details that >> had >> earlier escaped me -- the color difference between the two birds, the >> shortness of the beaks, and the light colored centerlines on most of the >> body feathers. I assume the color difference is an artifact of the >> lighting >> at the time, and am guessing that the unexpected beak and feather features >> are simply indicators of immaturity, but never having looked this closely >> at >> a recently fledged morning dove, I'm not certain of that appraisal. >> >> Other opinions will be welcomed! >> >> JF >> >> -- >> Birders is a service of the Great Lakes Commission. Visit us at >> www.glc.org >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Birders" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to birders+<unsubscribe...> >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/a/great-lakes.net/d/msgid/birders/000f01d654a4%24dfdb28a0%249f9179e0%<24...> >> . >> > -- > Birders is a service of the Great Lakes Commission. Visit us at > www.glc.org > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Birders" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to birders+<unsubscribe...> > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/a/great-lakes.net/d/msgid/birders/<CAJpB0PVJjJW9TSa4dPMsfYZT7LLRA0D4VuszWObY8j6noJsbBA...> > <https://groups.google.com/a/great-lakes.net/d/msgid/birders/<CAJpB0PVJjJW9TSa4dPMsfYZT7LLRA0D4VuszWObY8j6noJsbBA...>?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . >
They look more like quail to me. Not sure of the species, since many people seem to be raising different species/varieties these days.
On Tue, Jul 7, 2020 at 5:23 PM John Farmer <ajf-jlf...> wrote:
> During today's walk along Mooreville Road 1/2 mile NW of the Kroger store > in Milan, MI, I came upon this pair of cowering siblings. They were about > a > yard off the edge of the blacktop when my approach sent them off a few feet > in search of better cover. I backed off and they regrouped in the little > depression that I'm guessing is a semblance of their recently abandoned > nursery, from which they were most likely forcibly evicted by a gust of > wind > during yesterday's thunderstorm, a veritable hurricane for the little > waifs. > > When I snapped the pic, there was no doubt in my mind but that they were a > pair of young morning doves. I still believe them to be that, but when I > cropped and enlarged their photo to better share it, I saw details that had > earlier escaped me -- the color difference between the two birds, the > shortness of the beaks, and the light colored centerlines on most of the > body feathers. I assume the color difference is an artifact of the > lighting > at the time, and am guessing that the unexpected beak and feather features > are simply indicators of immaturity, but never having looked this closely > at > a recently fledged morning dove, I'm not certain of that appraisal. > > Other opinions will be welcomed! > > JF > > -- > Birders is a service of the Great Lakes Commission. Visit us at > www.glc.org > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Birders" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to birders+<unsubscribe...> > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/a/great-lakes.net/d/msgid/birders/000f01d654a4%24dfdb28a0%249f9179e0%<24...> > . >
During today's walk along Mooreville Road 1/2 mile NW of the Kroger store in Milan, MI, I came upon this pair of cowering siblings. They were about a yard off the edge of the blacktop when my approach sent them off a few feet in search of better cover. I backed off and they regrouped in the little depression that I'm guessing is a semblance of their recently abandoned nursery, from which they were most likely forcibly evicted by a gust of wind during yesterday's thunderstorm, a veritable hurricane for the little waifs.
When I snapped the pic, there was no doubt in my mind but that they were a pair of young morning doves. I still believe them to be that, but when I cropped and enlarged their photo to better share it, I saw details that had earlier escaped me -- the color difference between the two birds, the shortness of the beaks, and the light colored centerlines on most of the body feathers. I assume the color difference is an artifact of the lighting at the time, and am guessing that the unexpected beak and feather features are simply indicators of immaturity, but never having looked this closely at a recently fledged morning dove, I'm not certain of that appraisal.
Other opinions will be welcomed!
JF
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Date: 7/6/20 7:16 pm From: Fred Kaluza <fkaluza...> Subject: Re: [birders] Fwd: Action Alert on behalf of birds...
Done. Thanks for passing this along Allen.
On Mon, Jul 6, 2020 at 5:00 PM -0400, "Allen Chartier" <amazilia3...> wrote:
Birders,
Bird protections are under attack in a major way and we have two weeks to make our voices heard. In 2017 the Administration ceased enforcement of penalties for bird deaths caused by avoidable industrial hazards. Now the Fish and Wildlife Service wants to codify that rule. The new rule would apply the Migratory Bird Treaty Act protections only when an activity “purposefully” kills birds. The comment period for the draft Environmental Impact Statement for this new rule is midnight July 20th. Submit your comments here.
This link summarizes the Alternatives in the draft EIS. Alternative B is the best alternative to return the protections we have traditionally relied on. You should make reference to this in your letter.
Date: 7/6/20 2:37 pm From: ddarm ddarm <ddarm...> Subject: Re: [birders] Fwd: Action Alert on behalf of birds...
Thank you, Allen for the reminder and the links to make it simple.
We have many civic duties to address these days. This one needs to be attended to.
Do it now.
D
Deaver D. Armstrong
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> On Jul 6, 2020, at 5:00 PM, Allen Chartier <amazilia3...> wrote:
>
>
> Birders,
>
> Bird protections are under attack in a major way and we have two weeks to make our voices heard. In 2017 the Administration ceased enforcement of penalties for bird deaths caused by avoidable industrial hazards. Now the Fish and Wildlife Service wants to codify that rule. The new rule would apply the Migratory Bird Treaty Act protections only when an activity “purposefully” kills birds. The comment period for the draft Environmental Impact Statement for this new rule is midnight July 20th. Submit your comments here.
>
> https://www.regulations.gov/comment?D=FWS-HQ-MB-2018-0090-8411 >
>
>
> This link summarizes the Alternatives in the draft EIS. Alternative B is the best alternative to return the protections we have traditionally relied on. You should make reference to this in your letter.
>
> https://www.fws.gov/birds/news/200605MBTA.php >
>
>
> This link takes you to an excellent description of what the loss of these protections would mean and has talking points you can use for your letter
>
> https://abcbirds.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/MBTA-DEIS-talking-points.pdf?eType=EmailBlastContent&eId=a1553894-24c1-4bcf-aa5c-2e60a5c87d96 >
>
> Allen T. Chartier
> Inkster, Michigan
> Email: <amazilia3...>
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Date: 7/6/20 2:00 pm From: Allen Chartier <amazilia3...> Subject: [birders] Fwd: Action Alert on behalf of birds...
Birders,
Bird protections are under attack in a major way and we have two weeks to
make our voices heard. In 2017 the Administration ceased enforcement of
penalties for bird deaths caused by avoidable industrial hazards. Now the
Fish and Wildlife Service wants to codify that rule. The new rule would
apply the Migratory Bird Treaty Act protections only when an activity
“purposefully” kills birds. The comment period for the draft Environmental
Impact Statement for this new rule is midnight July 20th. Submit your
comments here.
This link summarizes the Alternatives in the draft EIS. Alternative B is
the best alternative to return the protections we have traditionally relied
on. You should make reference to this in your letter.
Date: 7/6/20 10:10 am From: 'Mike Sefton' via Birders <birders...> Subject: [birders] Non-bird: Upcoming Webinars | Black Tern Monitoring
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> Subject: Flyway Express: Upcoming Webinars | Black Tern Monitoring
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> Detroit Audubon's Flyway Express
> “You could do worse than to spend your days staring at blue jays.” -Julie Zickefoose
> Upcoming Detroit Audubon Webinars
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> Learn all about these fascinating birds and the Detroit Audubon Black Tern monitoring project from Research Coordinator, Ava Landgraf! See more about this program on our website. To register for this webinar, go here for Wednesday, July 8th at 12pm!
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> Detroit Audubon has been monitoring the St Clair Flats population since 2013. This research allows us to better understand the reasons for their decline. When these reasons are identified we can design effective solutions to help the species.
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Date: 7/5/20 9:26 am From: Susan MIller <smiller179...> Subject: [birders] photos from 2065 S Wagner (Knox church) needed
If anyone has a decent photo of a bird or butterfly (or other grassland species) seen at 2065 S. Wagner (Knox Church), I wonder if those could be shared with me. I am trying to make a case to the church leadership to consider not mowing the fields in future years and some visual proof of increased bird and/or butterfly life might make the case stronger. I know there are some good photographers out there.
Thank you
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Date: 7/4/20 6:13 pm From: Mary James <mljames...> Subject: [birders] Song Sleuth Recordings Silver lake woods, Pinckney
Am new to birding. Song Sleuth didn’t have a match for this, but I bet you all can identify this lovely call.
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Date: 7/4/20 1:08 pm From: Mark <mjack13...> Subject: RE: [birders] OT : Butterfly and Moth identification
Mississippi State University has a site at Mothphotographersgroup.msstate.edu that you may find useful. It photos ID’s moths from North America and can be sorted by state or region as well. Bugguide.net is another resource that moth photographers links with for additional photos and info. Peterson Field Guide to Moths by David Beadle & Seabrooke Leckie is a reasonably compact reference book.
Mark in Chelsea
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Subject: Re: [birders] OT : Butterfly and Moth identification
You guys may want to invest in a pair of “close-focus” binoculars. Pentax makes nice ones in the “Papilio” series.
On Sat, Jul 4, 2020 at 11:20 AM -0400, "WayneF" <waynef...> wrote:
I’m also just starting on butterflies, using two books:
Butterflies Through Binoculars - The East - Jeffrey Glassburg Well done, but includes many species not found here.
Michigan Butterflies & Skippers Mogens Nielsen Only includes species that have been seen in Michigan, so it is less overwhelming.
Wayne
On Jul 4, 2020, at 10:12 AM, 'Suzanne (Moses) Vedder' via Birders <birders...> wrote:
Hello,
I'm looking for recommendations for resources in identifying Butterflies and Moths. I have a lot of different species here, and want to start a list for my yard.
Thank you!
Suzanne in Big Rapids
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Date: 7/4/20 12:00 pm From: Fred Kaluza <fkaluza...> Subject: Re: [birders] OT : Butterfly and Moth identification
You guys may want to invest in a pair of “close-focus” binoculars. Pentax makes nice ones in the “Papilio” series.
On Sat, Jul 4, 2020 at 11:20 AM -0400, "WayneF" <waynef...> wrote:
I’m also just starting on butterflies, using two books:
Butterflies Through Binoculars - The East - Jeffrey Glassburg Well done, but includes many species not found here.Michigan Butterflies & Skippers Mogens Nielsen Only includes species that have been seen in Michigan, so it is less overwhelming.
Wayne
On Jul 4, 2020, at 10:12 AM, 'Suzanne (Moses) Vedder' via Birders <birders...> wrote:
Hello, I'm looking for recommendations for resources in identifying Butterflies and Moths. I have a lot of different species here, and want to start a list for my yard.
Thank you!
Suzanne in Big Rapids
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Date: 7/4/20 11:52 am From: Fred Kaluza <fkaluza...> Subject: Re: [birders] OT : Butterfly and Moth identification
If you have a smartphone, get the free app called “INaturalist”. If you can get close enough to get a decent photo, you’ll find it’s very accurate.
On Sat, Jul 4, 2020 at 10:12 AM -0400, "'Suzanne (Moses) Vedder' via Birders" <birders...> wrote:
Hello, I'm looking for recommendations for resources in identifying Butterflies and Moths. I have a lot of different species here, and want to start a list for my yard.
Thank you!
Suzanne in Big Rapids
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Date: 7/4/20 10:03 am From: Susan MIller <smiller179...> Subject: [birders] any members of Knox Presbyterian church on our list?
I am trying to interest the Knox church on Wagner (south of Scio Church, Lodi Twp) in maintaining their no-mow (or at least, reduced-mow) COVID strategy in future years, due to the fact that birds have been flourishing in the absence of mowing: white-eyed vireo, nesting meadowlarks, bobolink, savannah and field sparrows, killdeer and others (including some we may have failed to spot).
I have written the church but it would be helpful if someone who was a member or employee (not a trespasser!) might approach them as well. If there is anyone on the list in that position, I would like to be in touch.
Thank you.
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Date: 7/4/20 8:20 am From: WayneF <waynef...> Subject: Re: [birders] OT : Butterfly and Moth identification
I’m also just starting on butterflies, using two books:
Butterflies Through Binoculars - The East - Jeffrey Glassburg Well done, but includes many species not found here.
Michigan Butterflies & Skippers Mogens Nielsen Only includes species that have been seen in Michigan, so it is less overwhelming.
Wayne
> On Jul 4, 2020, at 10:12 AM, 'Suzanne (Moses) Vedder' via Birders <birders...> wrote:
>
> Hello,
> I'm looking for recommendations for resources in identifying Butterflies and Moths. I have a lot of different species here, and want to start a list for my yard.
>
> Thank you!
>
> Suzanne in Big Rapids
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
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Date: 7/4/20 7:46 am From: Joan Lutovsky <lutovskj...> Subject: Re: [birders] OT : Butterfly and Moth identification
This one super good for beginners. Most prevalent ones in Michigan and not as overwhelming. Can move to more comprehensive when you start getting the hang of it. Worked for me. Also I have to say the fb groups are fabulous. Get to see them up close and it really helps to learn them! I started bflying several years ago...
Joan Lutovsky
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Date: 7/4/20 7:32 am From: 'Suzanne (Moses) Vedder' via Birders <birders...> Subject: Re: [birders] OT : Butterfly and Moth identification
I don't necessarily have photos, lol. I'm sitting here on my deck enjoying the Scarlet Tanagers and Yellow-billed Cuckoos feeding (among others) and noticing several different butterflies that I really don't know what they are. Time to get to know these other winged creatures!
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On Sat, Jul 4, 2020 at 10:24 AM, Jeff Moore<jmo.jeffmoore...> wrote: Upload your photo here and this site will try to ID it for you. Not 100%, but super useful.https://www.insectsofiowa.org/ Otherwise Peterson's Guide to Moths by Beadle and Leckie is very useful.
Or you can upload a photo to BugGuide and ask for an ID.https://bugguide.net/node/view/15740 Hope these help! Moths are fun!Jeff Moore, Brighton MI
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Thank you!
Suzanne in Big Rapids
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Date: 7/4/20 7:12 am From: 'Suzanne (Moses) Vedder' via Birders <birders...> Subject: [birders] OT : Butterfly and Moth identification
Hello, I'm looking for recommendations for resources in identifying Butterflies and Moths. I have a lot of different species here, and want to start a list for my yard.
Thank you!
Suzanne in Big Rapids
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Date: 7/3/20 5:30 am From: Ray Stocking <rstocking...> Subject: [birders] Canada’s Sparrows Are Singing a New Song. You’ll Hear It Soon.
Fascinating article in today’s NYT regarding the White-throated Sparrow:
What’s happening with the sparrows is “kind of like an Australian person
coming to New York, and all the New Yorkers start suddenly deciding to
adopt an Australian accent.
Date: 7/2/20 5:52 am From: Daniel Blower <dfblower...> Subject: [birders] Fw: Kiersten Formoso(@formorphology) on TikTok: Turns out common loons land like airplanes, so... #birds #birding #airplanes #loons
I was unaware of this. Makes sense given how far back their legs are on their bodies, but wow.
Plus the sound effects... ________________________________ From: Daniel Blower <dfblower...> Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2020 7:12 AM To: Daniel Blower <dfblower...> Subject: Kiersten Formoso(@formorphology) on TikTok: Turns out common loons land like airplanes, so... #birds #birding #airplanes #loons
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Date: 7/1/20 6:36 pm From: Susan MIller <smiller179...> Subject: [birders] white-eyed vireo still at Lodi churchyard
The white-eyed vireo heard on June 23 is still present, in the same location, at the Lodi Twp church yard. Its song tonight was louder and more complex than when heard previously.
Susan Miller
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Date: 6/30/20 10:12 pm From: 'Jackie P' via Birders <birders...> Subject: [birders] Re: ADMIN: please stop hunting thread
Hey Mary and all,
Just reaching out to explain this - I think I was respectful and fair in my countering a really false statement. As a hunter myself, I found his statement about hunters was offensive and I felt obliged to correct him. There is nothing out of hand. I wish people posting to the birders group list would stick to science, the truth, and be respectful of everyone - *even if you do not agree with something*. We should be entitled to express our opinions in a fair and respectful way when we see/hear something that is blatantly wrong. Folks correct each other all the time on this list - just because you may not agree with this particular issue doesn’t mean it’s not a valid one.
Sincerely,
Jackie
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> On Jun 30, 2020, at 9:59 AM, Mary Wise <auntyem...> wrote:
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> Ok, this thread is getting out of hand. It started out respectfully and has crossed a line. Please stop now.
>
>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 7:34 AM Fred Kaluza <fkaluza...> wrote:
>> Jackie, I never denied how much money hunters pump into the system, but look how much money the average meat eater puts into commercial slaughterhouses and CAFOs. Does paying for the legal right to kill things make it admirable? Same thing for for “sport fishing” and the rest. It’s a stretch to imagine that ducks should consider hunters as friends.
>> <Image.jpeg>
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>> On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 10:17 PM -0400, "Jackie P" <jpilette78...> wrote:
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>>> Love the conversation, but I will interject: the statement about hunters (even bird hunters) is quite ignorant to the truth - bird hunters have contributed immensely to conservation by improving habitat. In my mind, there are several types of hunters, but do not dismiss them - they have actually contributed more dollars to conservation of land, water, and habitat than any other group of birders out there, and that is actually a fact.
>>>
>>> Jackie P.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>>>> On Jun 29, 2020, at 4:08 PM, Mary Wise <auntyem...> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yes, it is correct. I am totally fine with the recent discussion re: house sparrows.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for checking!
>>>> Mary
>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Jun 27, 2020 at 10:27 PM <juliet.berger...> wrote:
>>>>> Hello Birders
>>>>> It is my understanding that Bruce Bowman has retired from the moderator job of Birders Listserv and that Washtenaw birder and admin for the Southeast Michigan birders list, Mary Wise, has taken over as our admin. Mary, can you confirm that and let us know your guidelines for conversations on Birders?
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>> Juliet Berger
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Jun 27, 2020, at 8:51 PM, <fkaluza...> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Right on Juliet! I support and commend you for putting this out there and I have never understood the moderator’s objection to those stating scientific facts. In my mind there are three kinds of “birders”.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1 The conservationist types who enjoy birdwatching as well as who pursue habitat improvements to bolster native species.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2 The hard-core “listers” who are simply out to “observe and catalog them all before they are all gone” but could care less about doing anything in the way of improving things.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 3 The hunters who simply want to kill and eat (or just kill and leave behind or throw away) anything they feel like killing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As far as I’m concerned, you can lump types 2 and 3 together. Doing nothing to improve things results in the same outcome as actively diminishing bird numbers. I agree that any and all nest boxes and/or nest box instructions/designs/plans need to coming with statements about responsibility and ethics. With natural cavities disappearing, the future of our cavity nesters is depending more and more on human involvement.
>>>>>>
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>>>>>> At one point, the hard-core listers here objected to talk about conservation issues and went off to form their own “bird-listers” email list but…I think conversations about ethics, animal behavior and migration studies got their curiosity up and they stayed on this list as well as their new one. Since the split…the official moderator “Bruce Bowman” has been practically invisible here so…there is a chance we may avoid official sanction from moderators going forward. Hooray for science and common sense.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks for caring! 😊
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From: Juliet Berger <juliet.berger...>
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2020 3:17 PM
>>>>>> To: Fred Kaluza <fkaluza...>; <birders...>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [birders] Bird Behavior “Retirement”
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There is no reason whatsoever why we cannot discuss how to remove house sparrows from nest sites and your yard. They are an invasive species and kill native birds at an alarming rate.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They are a major threat to all cavity nesting native species. There are repeating sparrow traps, and nest box trap that can be purchased or made, and used to trap the sparrows. Then you must euthanize the adult sparrows. Repeating traps are best utilized in winter when chipmunks are hibernating, since chipmunks will often get to the bait, millet, before the sparrows find it. Any and all House Sparrow nests should be removed from bird houses. They cannot in any circumstances be allowed to breed in housing we provide. It is unethical to do so. If they find their own nest hole, that cannot be prevented in all cases, but if I put up a bird house, I must be 100% sure that I am not providing House Sparrow nest habitat. Monitor daily, if necessary, and take out messy nests that fill the whole box, which is a House Sparrow nest. Here is a discussion of the different nest types/bird species you may find in a nest box. https://michiganbluebirds.org/resources/other-cavity-nesting-birds The Michigan Bluebird site is a great resource for how to deal with House Sparrows, as well.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have said many times, if I had a dollar for every dead tree swallow or bluebird I found killed in the nest box with a House Sparrow nest built on top of the corpse, I would be a wealthy person.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Take out the House Sparrows, or take down your bird houses. Another option is to convert them to House Wren/Chickadee size holes. 1 1/4 inch holes are for these smaller species. House Sparrows, Eastern Bluebirds and Tree Swallows need at least 1 1/2 inch entry holes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> All the best, stay well, stay safe and good birding,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Juliet Berger
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, Jun 27, 2020 at 11:06 AM Fred Kaluza <fkaluza...> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Does anyone know if birds “retire”? Or...will they keep right on trying to raise offspring every year until eventually failing and leaving a clutch of half-developed young in a failed nest? In the past, “my” Tree Swallows have managed to fend off every attack from House Sparrows for several years running. As of yesterday however, I watched HOSPs carrying nest material into the gourd where young Tree Swallows were days from fledging. The adult Tree Swallows went missing and the HOSPS had started burying the young birds with grass and what not. I approached the gourd and removed the HOSP nesting with the young Swallows still alive but cowering in a little pocket at the far rear. As of now I still see no adult Swallows around while the Male HOSP has returned and is trying to attract a female to the gourd again. The young Swallows are probably dead at this point but I’ll check again later today. This is the heartbreaking part of birding for me. My only request to others is to never erect housing or give housing to anyone who can’t or won’t agree to active management when non-native species are anywhere around. So sad.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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Date: 6/30/20 6:59 am From: Mary Wise <auntyem...> Subject: [birders] ADMIN: please stop hunting thread
Ok, this thread is getting out of hand. It started out respectfully and has
crossed a line. Please stop now.
On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 7:34 AM Fred Kaluza <fkaluza...> wrote:
> Jackie, I never denied how much money hunters pump into the system, but
> look how much money the average meat eater puts into commercial
> slaughterhouses and CAFOs. Does paying for the legal right to kill things
> make it admirable? Same thing for for “sport fishing” and the rest. It’s
> a stretch to imagine that ducks should consider hunters as friends.
> [image: Image.jpeg]
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 10:17 PM -0400, "Jackie P" <jpilette78...>
> wrote:
>
> Love the conversation, but I will interject: the statement about hunters
>> (even bird hunters) is quite ignorant to the truth - bird hunters have
>> contributed immensely to conservation by improving habitat. In my mind,
>> there are several types of hunters, but do not dismiss them - they have
>> actually contributed more dollars to conservation of land, water, and
>> habitat than any other group of birders out there, and that is actually a
>> fact.
>>
>> Jackie P.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jun 29, 2020, at 4:08 PM, Mary Wise <auntyem...> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Yes, it is correct. I am totally fine with the recent discussion re:
>> house sparrows.
>>
>> Thanks for checking!
>> Mary
>>
>> On Sat, Jun 27, 2020 at 10:27 PM <juliet.berger...> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello Birders
>>> It is my understanding that Bruce Bowman has retired from the moderator
>>> job of Birders Listserv and that Washtenaw birder and admin for the
>>> Southeast Michigan birders list, Mary Wise, has taken over as our admin.
>>> Mary, can you confirm that and let us know your guidelines for
>>> conversations on Birders?
>>> Thanks
>>> Juliet Berger
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Jun 27, 2020, at 8:51 PM, <fkaluza...> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Right on Juliet! I support and commend you for putting
>>> this out there and I have never understood the moderator’s objection to
>>> those stating scientific facts. In my mind there are three kinds of
>>> “birders”.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 1 The conservationist types who enjoy birdwatching
>>> as well as who pursue habitat improvements to bolster native species.
>>>
>>> 2 The hard-core “listers” who are simply out to
>>> “observe and catalog them all before they are all gone” but could care less
>>> about doing anything in the way of improving things.
>>>
>>> 3 The hunters who simply want to kill and eat (or
>>> just kill and leave behind or throw away) anything they feel like killing.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> As far as I’m concerned, you can lump types 2 and 3 together. Doing
>>> nothing to improve things results in the same outcome as actively
>>> diminishing bird numbers. I agree that any and all nest boxes and/or nest
>>> box instructions/designs/plans need to coming with statements about
>>> responsibility and ethics. With natural cavities disappearing, the future
>>> of our cavity nesters is depending more and more on human involvement.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> At one point, the hard-core listers here objected to talk about
>>> conservation issues and went off to form their own “bird-listers” email
>>> list but…I think conversations about ethics, animal behavior and migration
>>> studies got their curiosity up and they stayed on this list as well as
>>> their new one. Since the split…the official moderator “Bruce Bowman” has
>>> been practically invisible here so…there is a chance we may avoid official
>>> sanction from moderators going forward. Hooray for science and common
>>> sense.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks for caring! 😊
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Juliet Berger <juliet.berger...>
>>> *Sent:* Saturday, June 27, 2020 3:17 PM
>>> *To:* Fred Kaluza <fkaluza...>; <birders...>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [birders] Bird Behavior “Retirement”
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> There is no reason whatsoever why we cannot discuss how to remove house
>>> sparrows from nest sites and your yard. They are an invasive species and
>>> kill native birds at an alarming rate.
>>>
>>> They are a major threat to all cavity nesting native species. There are
>>> repeating sparrow traps, and nest box trap that can be purchased or made,
>>> and used to trap the sparrows. Then you must euthanize the adult sparrows.
>>> Repeating traps are best utilized in winter when chipmunks are hibernating,
>>> since chipmunks will often get to the bait, millet, before the sparrows
>>> find it. Any and all House Sparrow nests should be removed from
>>> bird houses. They cannot in any circumstances be allowed to breed in
>>> housing we provide. It is unethical to do so. If they find their own nest
>>> hole, that cannot be prevented in all cases, but if I put up a bird house,
>>> I must be 100% sure that I am not providing House Sparrow nest habitat.
>>> Monitor daily, if necessary, and take out messy nests that fill the whole
>>> box, which is a House Sparrow nest. Here is a discussion of the
>>> different nest types/bird species you may find in a nest box.
>>> https://michiganbluebirds.org/resources/other-cavity-nesting-birds The
>>> Michigan Bluebird site is a great resource for how to deal with House
>>> Sparrows, as well.
>>>
>>> I have said many times, if I had a dollar for every dead tree swallow or
>>> bluebird I found killed in the nest box with a House Sparrow nest built on
>>> top of the corpse, I would be a wealthy person.
>>>
>>> Take out the House Sparrows, or take down your bird houses. Another
>>> option is to convert them to House Wren/Chickadee size holes. 1 1/4 inch
>>> holes are for these smaller species. House Sparrows, Eastern Bluebirds and
>>> Tree Swallows need at least 1 1/2 inch entry holes.
>>>
>>> All the best, stay well, stay safe and good birding,
>>>
>>> Juliet Berger
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jun 27, 2020 at 11:06 AM Fred Kaluza <fkaluza...> wrote:
>>>
>>> Does anyone know if birds “retire”? Or...will they keep right on trying
>>> to raise offspring every year until eventually failing and leaving a clutch
>>> of half-developed young in a failed nest? In the past, “my” Tree Swallows
>>> have managed to fend off every attack from House Sparrows for several years
>>> running. As of yesterday however, I watched HOSPs carrying nest material
>>> into the gourd where young Tree Swallows were days from fledging. The
>>> adult Tree Swallows went missing and the HOSPS had started burying the
>>> young birds with grass and what not. I approached the gourd and removed
>>> the HOSP nesting with the young Swallows still alive but cowering in a
>>> little pocket at the far rear. As of now I still see no adult Swallows
>>> around while the Male HOSP has returned and is trying to attract a female
>>> to the gourd again. The young Swallows are probably dead at this point but
>>> I’ll check again later today. This is the heartbreaking part of birding
>>> for me. My only request to others is to never erect housing or give
>>> housing to anyone who can’t or won’t agree to active management when
>>> non-native species are anywhere around. So sad.
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Date: 6/30/20 4:34 am From: Fred Kaluza <fkaluza...> Subject: Re: [birders] Bird Behavior “Retirement”
Jackie, I never denied how much money hunters pump into the system, but look how much money the average meat eater puts into commercial slaughterhouses and CAFOs. Does paying for the legal right to kill things make it admirable? Same thing for for “sport fishing” and the rest. It’s a stretch to imagine that ducks should consider hunters as friends.
On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 10:17 PM -0400, "Jackie P" <jpilette78...> wrote:
Love the conversation, but I will interject: the statement about hunters (even bird hunters) is quite ignorant to the truth - bird hunters have contributed immensely to conservation by improving habitat. In my mind, there are several types of hunters, but do not dismiss them - they have actually contributed more dollars to conservation of land, water, and habitat than any other group of birders out there, and that is actually a fact.
Jackie P.
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 29, 2020, at 4:08 PM, Mary Wise <auntyem...> wrote:
Yes, it is correct. I am totally fine with the recent discussion re: house sparrows.
Thanks for checking!Mary
On Sat, Jun 27, 2020 at 10:27 PM <juliet.berger...> wrote:
Hello BirdersIt is my understanding that Bruce Bowman has retired from the moderator job of Birders Listserv and that Washtenaw birder and admin for the Southeast Michigan birders list, Mary Wise, has taken over as our admin. Mary, can you confirm that and let us know your guidelines for conversations on Birders?ThanksJuliet Berger
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 27, 2020, at 8:51 PM, <fkaluza...> wrote:
Right on Juliet! I support and commend you for putting this out there and I have never understood the moderator’s objection to those stating scientific facts. In my mind there are three kinds of “birders”.
1 The conservationist types who enjoy birdwatching as well as who pursue habitat improvements to bolster native species.
2 The hard-core “listers” who are simply out to “observe and catalog them all before they are all gone” but could care less about doing anything in the way of improving things.
3 The hunters who simply want to kill and eat (or just kill and leave behind or throw away) anything they feel like killing.
As far as I’m concerned, you can lump types 2 and 3 together. Doing nothing to improve things results in the same outcome as actively diminishing bird numbers. I agree that any and all nest boxes and/or nest box instructions/designs/plans need to coming with statements about responsibility and ethics. With natural cavities disappearing, the future of our cavity nesters is depending more and more on human involvement.
At one point, the hard-core listers here objected to talk about conservation issues and went off to form their own “bird-listers” email list but…I think conversations about ethics, animal behavior and migration studies got their curiosity up and they stayed on this list as well as their new one. Since the split…the official moderator “Bruce Bowman” has been practically invisible here so…there is a chance we may avoid official sanction from moderators going forward. Hooray for science and common sense.
Thanks for caring! 😊
From: Juliet Berger <juliet.berger...>
Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2020 3:17 PM
To: Fred Kaluza <fkaluza...>; <birders...>
Subject: Re: [birders] Bird Behavior “Retirement”
There is no reason whatsoever why we cannot discuss how to remove house sparrows from nest sites and your yard. They are an invasive species and kill native birds at an alarming rate.
They are a major threat to all cavity nesting native species. There are repeating sparrow traps, and nest box trap that can be purchased or made, and used to trap the sparrows. Then you must euthanize the adult sparrows. Repeating traps are best utilized in winter when chipmunks are hibernating, since chipmunks will often get to the bait, millet, before the sparrows find it. Any and all House Sparrow nests should be removed from bird houses. They cannot in any circumstances be allowed to breed in housing we provide. It is unethical to do so. If they find their own nest hole, that cannot be prevented in all cases, but if I put up a bird house, I must be 100% sure that I am not providing House Sparrow nest habitat. Monitor daily, if necessary, and take out messy nests that fill the whole box, which is a House Sparrow nest. Here is a discussion of the different nest types/bird species you may find in a nest box. https://michiganbluebirds.org/resources/other-cavity-nesting-birds The Michigan Bluebird site is a great resource for how to deal with House Sparrows, as well.
I have said many times, if I had a dollar for every dead tree swallow or bluebird I found killed in the nest box with a House Sparrow nest built on top of the corpse, I would be a wealthy person.
Take out the House Sparrows, or take down your bird houses. Another option is to convert them to House Wren/Chickadee size holes. 1 1/4 inch holes are for these smaller species. House Sparrows, Eastern Bluebirds and Tree Swallows need at least 1 1/2 inch entry holes.
All the best, stay well, stay safe and good birding,
Juliet Berger
On Sat, Jun 27, 2020 at 11:06 AM Fred Kaluza <fkaluza...> wrote:
Does anyone know if birds “retire”? Or...will they keep right on trying to raise offspring every year until eventually failing and leaving a clutch of half-developed young in a failed nest? In the past, “my” Tree Swallows have managed to fend off every attack from House Sparrows for several years running. As of yesterday however, I watched HOSPs carrying nest material into the gourd where young Tree Swallows were days from fledging. The adult Tree Swallows went missing and the HOSPS had started burying the young birds with grass and what not. I approached the gourd and removed the HOSP nesting with the young Swallows still alive but cowering in a little pocket at the far rear. As of now I still see no adult Swallows around while the Male HOSP has returned and is trying to attract a female to the gourd again. The young Swallows are probably dead at this point but I’ll check again later today. This is the heartbreaking part of birding for me. My only request to others is to never erect housing or give housing to anyone who can’t or won’t agree to active management when non-native species are anywhere around. So sad.
Date: 6/29/20 7:17 pm From: 'Jackie P' via Birders <birders...> Subject: Re: [birders] Bird Behavior “Retirement”
Love the conversation, but I will interject: the statement about hunters (even bird hunters) is quite ignorant to the truth - bird hunters have contributed immensely to conservation by improving habitat. In my mind, there are several types of hunters, but do not dismiss them - they have actually contributed more dollars to conservation of land, water, and habitat than any other group of birders out there, and that is actually a fact.
Jackie P.
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jun 29, 2020, at 4:08 PM, Mary Wise <auntyem...> wrote:
>
>
> Yes, it is correct. I am totally fine with the recent discussion re: house sparrows.
>
> Thanks for checking!
> Mary
>
>> On Sat, Jun 27, 2020 at 10:27 PM <juliet.berger...> wrote:
>> Hello Birders
>> It is my understanding that Bruce Bowman has retired from the moderator job of Birders Listserv and that Washtenaw birder and admin for the Southeast Michigan birders list, Mary Wise, has taken over as our admin. Mary, can you confirm that and let us know your guidelines for conversations on Birders?
>> Thanks
>> Juliet Berger
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>>> On Jun 27, 2020, at 8:51 PM, <fkaluza...> wrote:
>>>>
>>>
>>> Right on Juliet! I support and commend you for putting this out there and I have never understood the moderator’s objection to those stating scientific facts. In my mind there are three kinds of “birders”.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 1 The conservationist types who enjoy birdwatching as well as who pursue habitat improvements to bolster native species.
>>>
>>> 2 The hard-core “listers” who are simply out to “observe and catalog them all before they are all gone” but could care less about doing anything in the way of improving things.
>>>
>>> 3 The hunters who simply want to kill and eat (or just kill and leave behind or throw away) anything they feel like killing.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> As far as I’m concerned, you can lump types 2 and 3 together. Doing nothing to improve things results in the same outcome as actively diminishing bird numbers. I agree that any and all nest boxes and/or nest box instructions/designs/plans need to coming with statements about responsibility and ethics. With natural cavities disappearing, the future of our cavity nesters is depending more and more on human involvement.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> At one point, the hard-core listers here objected to talk about conservation issues and went off to form their own “bird-listers” email list but…I think conversations about ethics, animal behavior and migration studies got their curiosity up and they stayed on this list as well as their new one. Since the split…the official moderator “Bruce Bowman” has been practically invisible here so…there is a chance we may avoid official sanction from moderators going forward. Hooray for science and common sense.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks for caring! 😊
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Juliet Berger <juliet.berger...>
>>> Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2020 3:17 PM
>>> To: Fred Kaluza <fkaluza...>; <birders...>
>>> Subject: Re: [birders] Bird Behavior “Retirement”
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> There is no reason whatsoever why we cannot discuss how to remove house sparrows from nest sites and your yard. They are an invasive species and kill native birds at an alarming rate.
>>>
>>> They are a major threat to all cavity nesting native species. There are repeating sparrow traps, and nest box trap that can be purchased or made, and used to trap the sparrows. Then you must euthanize the adult sparrows. Repeating traps are best utilized in winter when chipmunks are hibernating, since chipmunks will often get to the bait, millet, before the sparrows find it. Any and all House Sparrow nests should be removed from bird houses. They cannot in any circumstances be allowed to breed in housing we provide. It is unethical to do so. If they find their own nest hole, that cannot be prevented in all cases, but if I put up a bird house, I must be 100% sure that I am not providing House Sparrow nest habitat. Monitor daily, if necessary, and take out messy nests that fill the whole box, which is a House Sparrow nest. Here is a discussion of the different nest types/bird species you may find in a nest box. https://michiganbluebirds.org/resources/other-cavity-nesting-birds The Michigan Bluebird site is a great resource for how to deal with House Sparrows, as well.
>>>
>>> I have said many times, if I had a dollar for every dead tree swallow or bluebird I found killed in the nest box with a House Sparrow nest built on top of the corpse, I would be a wealthy person.
>>>
>>> Take out the House Sparrows, or take down your bird houses. Another option is to convert them to House Wren/Chickadee size holes. 1 1/4 inch holes are for these smaller species. House Sparrows, Eastern Bluebirds and Tree Swallows need at least 1 1/2 inch entry holes.
>>>
>>> All the best, stay well, stay safe and good birding,
>>>
>>> Juliet Berger
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jun 27, 2020 at 11:06 AM Fred Kaluza <fkaluza...> wrote:
>>>
>>> Does anyone know if birds “retire”? Or...will they keep right on trying to raise offspring every year until eventually failing and leaving a clutch of half-developed young in a failed nest? In the past, “my” Tree Swallows have managed to fend off every attack from House Sparrows for several years running. As of yesterday however, I watched HOSPs carrying nest material into the gourd where young Tree Swallows were days from fledging. The adult Tree Swallows went missing and the HOSPS had started burying the young birds with grass and what not. I approached the gourd and removed the HOSP nesting with the young Swallows still alive but cowering in a little pocket at the far rear. As of now I still see no adult Swallows around while the Male HOSP has returned and is trying to attract a female to the gourd again. The young Swallows are probably dead at this point but I’ll check again later today. This is the heartbreaking part of birding for me. My only request to others is to never erect housing or give housing to anyone who can’t or won’t agree to active management when non-native species are anywhere around. So sad.
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Yes, it is correct. I am totally fine with the recent discussion re: house
sparrows.
Thanks for checking!
Mary
On Sat, Jun 27, 2020 at 10:27 PM <juliet.berger...> wrote:
> Hello Birders
> It is my understanding that Bruce Bowman has retired from the moderator
> job of Birders Listserv and that Washtenaw birder and admin for the
> Southeast Michigan birders list, Mary Wise, has taken over as our admin.
> Mary, can you confirm that and let us know your guidelines for
> conversations on Birders?
> Thanks
> Juliet Berger
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 27, 2020, at 8:51 PM, <fkaluza...> wrote:
>
>
>
> Right on Juliet! I support and commend you for putting
> this out there and I have never understood the moderator’s objection to
> those stating scientific facts. In my mind there are three kinds of
> “birders”.
>
>
>
> 1 The conservationist types who enjoy birdwatching as
> well as who pursue habitat improvements to bolster native species.
>
> 2 The hard-core “listers” who are simply out to
> “observe and catalog them all before they are all gone” but could care less
> about doing anything in the way of improving things.
>
> 3 The hunters who simply want to kill and eat (or
> just kill and leave behind or throw away) anything they feel like killing.
>
>
>
> As far as I’m concerned, you can lump types 2 and 3 together. Doing
> nothing to improve things results in the same outcome as actively
> diminishing bird numbers. I agree that any and all nest boxes and/or nest
> box instructions/designs/plans need to coming with statements about
> responsibility and ethics. With natural cavities disappearing, the future
> of our cavity nesters is depending more and more on human involvement.
>
>
>
> At one point, the hard-core listers here objected to talk about
> conservation issues and went off to form their own “bird-listers” email
> list but…I think conversations about ethics, animal behavior and migration
> studies got their curiosity up and they stayed on this list as well as
> their new one. Since the split…the official moderator “Bruce Bowman” has
> been practically invisible here so…there is a chance we may avoid official
> sanction from moderators going forward. Hooray for science and common
> sense.
>
>
>
> Thanks for caring! 😊
>
>
>
> *From:* Juliet Berger <juliet.berger...>
> *Sent:* Saturday, June 27, 2020 3:17 PM
> *To:* Fred Kaluza <fkaluza...>; <birders...>
> *Subject:* Re: [birders] Bird Behavior “Retirement”
>
>
>
> There is no reason whatsoever why we cannot discuss how to remove house
> sparrows from nest sites and your yard. They are an invasive species and
> kill native birds at an alarming rate.
>
> They are a major threat to all cavity nesting native species. There are
> repeating sparrow traps, and nest box trap that can be purchased or made,
> and used to trap the sparrows. Then you must euthanize the adult sparrows.
> Repeating traps are best utilized in winter when chipmunks are hibernating,
> since chipmunks will often get to the bait, millet, before the sparrows
> find it. Any and all House Sparrow nests should be removed from
> bird houses. They cannot in any circumstances be allowed to breed in
> housing we provide. It is unethical to do so. If they find their own nest
> hole, that cannot be prevented in all cases, but if I put up a bird house,
> I must be 100% sure that I am not providing House Sparrow nest habitat.
> Monitor daily, if necessary, and take out messy nests that fill the whole
> box, which is a House Sparrow nest. Here is a discussion of the
> different nest types/bird species you may find in a nest box.
> https://michiganbluebirds.org/resources/other-cavity-nesting-birds The
> Michigan Bluebird site is a great resource for how to deal with House
> Sparrows, as well.
>
> I have said many times, if I had a dollar for every dead tree swallow or
> bluebird I found killed in the nest box with a House Sparrow nest built on
> top of the corpse, I would be a wealthy person.
>
> Take out the House Sparrows, or take down your bird houses. Another
> option is to convert them to House Wren/Chickadee size holes. 1 1/4 inch
> holes are for these smaller species. House Sparrows, Eastern Bluebirds and
> Tree Swallows need at least 1 1/2 inch entry holes.
>
> All the best, stay well, stay safe and good birding,
>
> Juliet Berger
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jun 27, 2020 at 11:06 AM Fred Kaluza <fkaluza...> wrote:
>
> Does anyone know if birds “retire”? Or...will they keep right on trying
> to raise offspring every year until eventually failing and leaving a clutch
> of half-developed young in a failed nest? In the past, “my” Tree Swallows
> have managed to fend off every attack from House Sparrows for several years
> running. As of yesterday however, I watched HOSPs carrying nest material
> into the gourd where young Tree Swallows were days from fledging. The
> adult Tree Swallows went missing and the HOSPS had started burying the
> young birds with grass and what not. I approached the gourd and removed
> the HOSP nesting with the young Swallows still alive but cowering in a
> little pocket at the far rear. As of now I still see no adult Swallows
> around while the Male HOSP has returned and is trying to attract a female
> to the gourd again. The young Swallows are probably dead at this point but
> I’ll check again later today. This is the heartbreaking part of birding
> for me. My only request to others is to never erect housing or give
> housing to anyone who can’t or won’t agree to active management when
> non-native species are anywhere around. So sad.
>
>
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We snuck out into the courtyard at lunchtime today. There was a Peregrine Falcon on top of the hospital near where the nesting box used to be. It was calling repeatedly, so hard to miss! If you were facing the adult hospital, it was to the right. Another falcon that was never seen was somewhere behind the old Mott Hospital calling. They called to each other and the one on the building took off toward the Cancer Center. I was thrilled to be able to share "our" falcons with my new technologist. Does anyone know where they are nesting these days? Mag
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Hello Birders
It is my understanding that Bruce Bowman has retired from the moderator job of Birders Listserv and that Washtenaw birder and admin for the Southeast Michigan birders list, Mary Wise, has taken over as our admin. Mary, can you confirm that and let us know your guidelines for conversations on Birders?
Thanks
Juliet Berger
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jun 27, 2020, at 8:51 PM, <fkaluza...> wrote:
>
>
> Right on Juliet! I support and commend you for putting this out there and I have never understood the moderator’s objection to those stating scientific facts. In my mind there are three kinds of “birders”.
>
> 1 The conservationist types who enjoy birdwatching as well as who pursue habitat improvements to bolster native species.
> 2 The hard-core “listers” who are simply out to “observe and catalog them all before they are all gone” but could care less about doing anything in the way of improving things.
> 3 The hunters who simply want to kill and eat (or just kill and leave behind or throw away) anything they feel like killing.
>
> As far as I’m concerned, you can lump types 2 and 3 together. Doing nothing to improve things results in the same outcome as actively diminishing bird numbers. I agree that any and all nest boxes and/or nest box instructions/designs/plans need to coming with statements about responsibility and ethics. With natural cavities disappearing, the future of our cavity nesters is depending more and more on human involvement.
>
> At one point, the hard-core listers here objected to talk about conservation issues and went off to form their own “bird-listers” email list but…I think conversations about ethics, animal behavior and migration studies got their curiosity up and they stayed on this list as well as their new one. Since the split…the official moderator “Bruce Bowman” has been practically invisible here so…there is a chance we may avoid official sanction from moderators going forward. Hooray for science and common sense.
>
> Thanks for caring! 😊
>
> From: Juliet Berger <juliet.berger...>
> Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2020 3:17 PM
> To: Fred Kaluza <fkaluza...>; <birders...>
> Subject: Re: [birders] Bird Behavior “Retirement”
>
> There is no reason whatsoever why we cannot discuss how to remove house sparrows from nest sites and your yard. They are an invasive species and kill native birds at an alarming rate.
> They are a major threat to all cavity nesting native species. There are repeating sparrow traps, and nest box trap that can be purchased or made, and used to trap the sparrows. Then you must euthanize the adult sparrows. Repeating traps are best utilized in winter when chipmunks are hibernating, since chipmunks will often get to the bait, millet, before the sparrows find it. Any and all House Sparrow nests should be removed from bird houses. They cannot in any circumstances be allowed to breed in housing we provide. It is unethical to do so. If they find their own nest hole, that cannot be prevented in all cases, but if I put up a bird house, I must be 100% sure that I am not providing House Sparrow nest habitat. Monitor daily, if necessary, and take out messy nests that fill the whole box, which is a House Sparrow nest. Here is a discussion of the different nest types/bird species you may find in a nest box. https://michiganbluebirds.org/resources/other-cavity-nesting-birds The Michigan Bluebird site is a great resource for how to deal with House Sparrows, as well.
> I have said many times, if I had a dollar for every dead tree swallow or bluebird I found killed in the nest box with a House Sparrow nest built on top of the corpse, I would be a wealthy person.
> Take out the House Sparrows, or take down your bird houses. Another option is to convert them to House Wren/Chickadee size holes. 1 1/4 inch holes are for these smaller species. House Sparrows, Eastern Bluebirds and Tree Swallows need at least 1 1/2 inch entry holes.
> All the best, stay well, stay safe and good birding,
> Juliet Berger
>
> On Sat, Jun 27, 2020 at 11:06 AM Fred Kaluza <fkaluza...> wrote:
> Does anyone know if birds “retire”? Or...will they keep right on trying to raise offspring every year until eventually failing and leaving a clutch of half-developed young in a failed nest? In the past, “my” Tree Swallows have managed to fend off every attack from House Sparrows for several years running. As of yesterday however, I watched HOSPs carrying nest material into the gourd where young Tree Swallows were days from fledging. The adult Tree Swallows went missing and the HOSPS had started burying the young birds with grass and what not. I approached the gourd and removed the HOSP nesting with the young Swallows still alive but cowering in a little pocket at the far rear. As of now I still see no adult Swallows around while the Male HOSP has returned and is trying to attract a female to the gourd again. The young Swallows are probably dead at this point but I’ll check again later today. This is the heartbreaking part of birding for me. My only request to others is to never erect housing or give housing to anyone who can’t or won’t agree to active management when non-native species are anywhere around. So sad.
>
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It seems too early but Canada Geese keep clustering, now reaching about a hundred or so on the lake, picking up small flocks as they go by. Isn’t it a little early for this behavior?
Penny
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Thank you, Juliet, for your incisive and thoughtful suggestions.
The HOSPs nest next door near my neighbor's gutters, where they have nested
for years. You are very clear about what needs to be done, and I think my
neighbors could even be encouraged to be onboard, as long as they didn't
have to do any of the euthanizing. I will try to have a stronger stomach,
b/c given the alternative...well, really, there is no alternative.
Thanks for your guidance.
Kind regards and happy native birding!
Lisa
On Sat, Jun 27, 2020 at 3:17 PM Juliet Berger <juliet.berger...>
wrote:
> There is no reason whatsoever why we cannot discuss how to remove house
> sparrows from nest sites and your yard. They are an invasive species and
> kill native birds at an alarming rate.
> They are a major threat to all cavity nesting native species. There are
> repeating sparrow traps, and nest box trap that can be purchased or made,
> and used to trap the sparrows. Then you must euthanize the adult sparrows.
> Repeating traps are best utilized in winter when chipmunks are hibernating,
> since chipmunks will often get to the bait, millet, before the sparrows
> find it. Any and all House Sparrow nests should be removed from
> bird houses. They cannot in any circumstances be allowed to breed in
> housing we provide. It is unethical to do so. If they find their own nest
> hole, that cannot be prevented in all cases, but if I put up a bird house,
> I must be 100% sure that I am not providing House Sparrow nest habitat.
> Monitor daily, if necessary, and take out messy nests that fill the whole
> box, which is a House Sparrow nest. Here is a discussion of the
> different nest types/bird species you may find in a nest box.
> https://michiganbluebirds.org/resources/other-cavity-nesting-birds The
> Michigan Bluebird site is a great resource for how to deal with House
> Sparrows, as well.
> I have said many times, if I had a dollar for every dead tree swallow or
> bluebird I found killed in the nest box with a House Sparrow nest built on
> top of the corpse, I would be a wealthy person.
> Take out the House Sparrows, or take down your bird houses. Another
> option is to convert them to House Wren/Chickadee size holes. 1 1/4 inch
> holes are for these smaller species. House Sparrows, Eastern Bluebirds and
> Tree Swallows need at least 1 1/2 inch entry holes.
> All the best, stay well, stay safe and good birding,
> Juliet Berger
>
> On Sat, Jun 27, 2020 at 11:06 AM Fred Kaluza <fkaluza...> wrote:
>
>> Does anyone know if birds “retire”? Or...will they keep right on trying
>> to raise offspring every year until eventually failing and leaving a clutch
>> of half-developed young in a failed nest? In the past, “my” Tree Swallows
>> have managed to fend off every attack from House Sparrows for several years
>> running. As of yesterday however, I watched HOSPs carrying nest material
>> into the gourd where young Tree Swallows were days from fledging. The
>> adult Tree Swallows went missing and the HOSPS had started burying the
>> young birds with grass and what not. I approached the gourd and removed
>> the HOSP nesting with the young Swallows still alive but cowering in a
>> little pocket at the far rear. As of now I still see no adult Swallows
>> around while the Male HOSP has returned and is trying to attract a female
>> to the gourd again. The young Swallows are probably dead at this point but
>> I’ll check again later today. This is the heartbreaking part of birding
>> for me. My only request to others is to never erect housing or give
>> housing to anyone who can’t or won’t agree to active management when
>> non-native species are anywhere around. So sad.
>>
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There is no reason whatsoever why we cannot discuss how to remove house
sparrows from nest sites and your yard. They are an invasive species and
kill native birds at an alarming rate.
They are a major threat to all cavity nesting native species. There are
repeating sparrow traps, and nest box trap that can be purchased or made,
and used to trap the sparrows. Then you must euthanize the adult sparrows.
Repeating traps are best utilized in winter when chipmunks are hibernating,
since chipmunks will often get to the bait, millet, before the sparrows
find it. Any and all House Sparrow nests should be removed from
bird houses. They cannot in any circumstances be allowed to breed in
housing we provide. It is unethical to do so. If they find their own nest
hole, that cannot be prevented in all cases, but if I put up a bird house,
I must be 100% sure that I am not providing House Sparrow nest habitat.
Monitor daily, if necessary, and take out messy nests that fill the whole
box, which is a House Sparrow nest. Here is a discussion of the
different nest types/bird species you may find in a nest box.
https://michiganbluebirds.org/resources/other-cavity-nesting-birds The
Michigan Bluebird site is a great resource for how to deal with House
Sparrows, as well.
I have said many times, if I had a dollar for every dead tree swallow or
bluebird I found killed in the nest box with a House Sparrow nest built on
top of the corpse, I would be a wealthy person.
Take out the House Sparrows, or take down your bird houses. Another option
is to convert them to House Wren/Chickadee size holes. 1 1/4 inch holes
are for these smaller species. House Sparrows, Eastern Bluebirds and Tree
Swallows need at least 1 1/2 inch entry holes.
All the best, stay well, stay safe and good birding,
Juliet Berger
On Sat, Jun 27, 2020 at 11:06 AM Fred Kaluza <fkaluza...> wrote:
> Does anyone know if birds “retire”? Or...will they keep right on trying
> to raise offspring every year until eventually failing and leaving a clutch
> of half-developed young in a failed nest? In the past, “my” Tree Swallows
> have managed to fend off every attack from House Sparrows for several years
> running. As of yesterday however, I watched HOSPs carrying nest material
> into the gourd where young Tree Swallows were days from fledging. The
> adult Tree Swallows went missing and the HOSPS had started burying the
> young birds with grass and what not. I approached the gourd and removed
> the HOSP nesting with the young Swallows still alive but cowering in a
> little pocket at the far rear. As of now I still see no adult Swallows
> around while the Male HOSP has returned and is trying to attract a female
> to the gourd again. The young Swallows are probably dead at this point but
> I’ll check again later today. This is the heartbreaking part of birding
> for me. My only request to others is to never erect housing or give
> housing to anyone who can’t or won’t agree to active management when
> non-native species are anywhere around. So sad.
>
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>
I don’t know the answer, but I can’t help thinking that if they knew that, they just wouldn’t mate.
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 27, 2020, at 2:01 PM, Lisa Lava-Kellar <lisalk...> wrote:
I'm so sorry to each of you. I have a birdhouse that I've held onto for almost five years, precisely for this reason. I believe the hole can only accommodate a chickadee or a wren, but who knows for sure? Guess I should measure it. It will not be put out until I'm sure a HOSP cannot get inside.
In any case, I respect each of your choices, and wish you well.
Good birding, even if it means saying goodbye to the nest disrupters,
Lisa
On Sat, Jun 27, 2020 at 12:18 PM Fred Kaluza <fkaluza...><mailto:<fkaluza...>> wrote:
I’ll look more closely today Patrick but I think it’s possible one (or both) of the adults succumbed to predation while out and about which left the nestlings with insufficient protection and food supply. Again, the original question stands about whether birds “know” they are old enough to keep living for a while but not up to the task of raising another generation of offspring and whether examples of this have been recorded by researchers.
________________________________
From: Patrick Baize <pkbaize...><mailto:<pkbaize...>> Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2020 7:47 AM
To: Fred Kaluza
Subject: Re: [birders] Bird Behavior “Retirement”
In my experience I think the sparrows just finally wear down the Tree Swallows. I've found house sparrows making a nest on top of an adult swallow that they have killed in the box itself.
Pat B. Howell, Michigan
On Saturday, June 27, 2020, 07:20:34 AM EDT, Fred Kaluza <fkaluza...><mailto:<fkaluza...>> wrote:
Does anyone know if birds “retire”? Or...will they keep right on trying to raise offspring every year until eventually failing and leaving a clutch of half-developed young in a failed nest? In the past, “my” Tree Swallows have managed to fend off every attack from House Sparrows for several years running. As of yesterday however, I watched HOSPs carrying nest material into the gourd where young Tree Swallows were days from fledging. The adult Tree Swallows went missing and the HOSPS had started burying the young birds with grass and what not. I approached the gourd and removed the HOSP nesting with the young Swallows still alive but cowering in a little pocket at the far rear. As of now I still see no adult Swallows around while the Male HOSP has returned and is trying to attract a female to the gourd again. The young Swallows are probably dead at this point but I’ll check again later today. This is the heartbreaking part of birding for me. My only request to others is to never erect housing or give housing to anyone who can’t or won’t agree to active management when non-native species are anywhere around. So sad.
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Date: 6/27/20 11:01 am From: Lisa Lava-Kellar <lisalk...> Subject: Re: [birders] Bird Behavior “Retirement”
I'm so sorry to each of you. I have a birdhouse that I've held onto for
almost five years, precisely for this reason. I believe the hole can only
accommodate a chickadee or a wren, but who knows for sure? Guess I should
measure it. It will not be put out until I'm sure a HOSP cannot get inside.
In any case, I respect each of your choices, and wish you well.
Good birding, even if it means saying goodbye to the nest disrupters,
Lisa
On Sat, Jun 27, 2020 at 12:18 PM Fred Kaluza <fkaluza...> wrote:
> I’ll look more closely today Patrick but I think it’s possible one (or
> both) of the adults succumbed to predation while out and about which left
> the nestlings with insufficient protection and food supply. Again, the
> original question stands about whether birds “know” they are old enough to
> keep living for a while but not up to the task of raising another
> generation of offspring and whether examples of this have been recorded by
> researchers.
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Patrick Baize <pkbaize...>
> *Sent:* Saturday, June 27, 2020 7:47 AM
> *To:* Fred Kaluza
> *Subject:* Re: [birders] Bird Behavior “Retirement”
>
>
> In my experience I think the sparrows just finally wear down the Tree
> Swallows. I've found house sparrows making a nest on top of an adult
> swallow that they have killed in the box itself.
> Pat B. Howell, Michigan
>
> On Saturday, June 27, 2020, 07:20:34 AM EDT, Fred Kaluza <fkaluza...>
> wrote:
>
>
> Does anyone know if birds “retire”? Or...will they keep right on trying
> to raise offspring every year until eventually failing and leaving a clutch
> of half-developed young in a failed nest? In the past, “my” Tree Swallows
> have managed to fend off every attack from House Sparrows for several years
> running. As of yesterday however, I watched HOSPs carrying nest material
> into the gourd where young Tree Swallows were days from fledging. The
> adult Tree Swallows went missing and the HOSPS had started burying the
> young birds with grass and what not. I approached the gourd and removed
> the HOSP nesting with the young Swallows still alive but cowering in a
> little pocket at the far rear. As of now I still see no adult Swallows
> around while the Male HOSP has returned and is trying to attract a female
> to the gourd again. The young Swallows are probably dead at this point but
> I’ll check again later today. This is the heartbreaking part of birding
> for me. My only request to others is to never erect housing or give
> housing to anyone who can’t or won’t agree to active management when
> non-native species are anywhere around. So sad.
>
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Date: 6/27/20 9:18 am From: Fred Kaluza <fkaluza...> Subject: Re: [birders] Bird Behavior “Retirement”
I’ll look more closely today Patrick but I think it’s possible one (or both) of the adults succumbed to predation while out and about which left the nestlings with insufficient protection and food supply. Again, the original question stands about whether birds “know” they are old enough to keep living for a while but not up to the task of raising another generation of offspring and whether examples of this have been recorded by researchers.
From: Patrick Baize <pkbaize...>
Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2020 7:47 AM
To: Fred Kaluza
Subject: Re: [birders] Bird Behavior “Retirement”
In my experience I think the sparrows just finally wear down the Tree Swallows. I've found house sparrows making a nest on top of an adult swallow that they have killed in the box itself.
Pat B. Howell, Michigan
On Saturday, June 27, 2020, 07:20:34 AM EDT, Fred Kaluza <fkaluza...> wrote:
Does anyone know if birds “retire”? Or...will they keep right on trying to raise offspring every year until eventually failing and leaving a clutch of half-developed young in a failed nest? In the past, “my” Tree Swallows have managed to fend off every attack from House Sparrows for several years running. As of yesterday however, I watched HOSPs carrying nest material into the gourd where young Tree Swallows were days from fledging. The adult Tree Swallows went missing and the HOSPS had started burying the young birds with grass and what not. I approached the gourd and removed the HOSP nesting with the young Swallows still alive but cowering in a little pocket at the far rear. As of now I still see no adult Swallows around while the Male HOSP has returned and is trying to attract a female to the gourd again. The young Swallows are probably dead at this point but I’ll check again later today. This is the heartbreaking part of birding for me. My only request to others is to never erect housing or give housing to anyone who can’t or won’t agree to active management when non-native species are anywhere around. So sad.
Date: 6/27/20 9:11 am From: Fred Kaluza <fkaluza...> Subject: Re: [birders] Bird Behavior “Retirement”
I’m aware they do this Thomas and I know what the remedy is but the removal of non-native species is now (in my opinion) a greater threat than habitat destruction or anything else. No restoration project of any sort can take place anywhere without a perpetual commitment to monitoring and action. This seems true for plants and animals. It’s especially troubling when I see reports of it spreading by well-meaning folks actually trying to do some good. It’s the human-caused misery I disagree with. https://www.treeswallowprojects.com/spardam.html
On Sat, Jun 27, 2020 at 8:41 AM -0400, "'THOMAS HODGSON' via Birders" <birders...> wrote:
I’m surprised you didn’t find dead adult tree swallows in the nest. Male house sparrows will often trap adult bluebirds inside the nest box and then peck them to death. Then they build their own nest on top of the body. There is a remedy for this, but apparently we are not allowed to talk about it on this site.
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Does anyone know if birds “retire”? Or...will they keep right on trying to raise offspring every year until eventually failing and leaving a clutch of half-developed young in a failed nest? In the past, “my” Tree Swallows have managed to fend off every attack from House Sparrows for several years running. As of yesterday however, I watched HOSPs carrying nest material into the gourd where young Tree Swallows were days from fledging. The adult Tree Swallows went missing and the HOSPS had started burying the young birds with grass and what not. I approached the gourd and removed the HOSP nesting with the young Swallows still alive but cowering in a little pocket at the far rear. As of now I still see no adult Swallows around while the Male HOSP has returned and is trying to attract a female to the gourd again. The young Swallows are probably dead at this point but I’ll check again later today. This is the heartbreaking part of birding for me. My only request to others is to never erect housing or give housing to anyone who can’t or won’t agree to active management when non-native species are anywhere around. So sad.
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Date: 6/27/20 5:41 am From: 'THOMAS HODGSON' via Birders <birders...> Subject: Re: [birders] Bird Behavior “Retirement”
I’m surprised you didn’t find dead adult tree swallows in the nest. Male house sparrows will often trap adult bluebirds inside the nest box and then peck them to death. Then they build their own nest on top of the body. There is a remedy for this, but apparently we are not allowed to talk about it on this site.
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> On Jun 27, 2020, at 7:20 AM, Fred Kaluza <fkaluza...> wrote:
>
>
> Does anyone know if birds “retire”? Or...will they keep right on trying to raise offspring every year until eventually failing and leaving a clutch of half-developed young in a failed nest? In the past, “my” Tree Swallows have managed to fend off every attack from House Sparrows for several years running. As of yesterday however, I watched HOSPs carrying nest material into the gourd where young Tree Swallows were days from fledging. The adult Tree Swallows went missing and the HOSPS had started burying the young birds with grass and what not. I approached the gourd and removed the HOSP nesting with the young Swallows still alive but cowering in a little pocket at the far rear. As of now I still see no adult Swallows around while the Male HOSP has returned and is trying to attract a female to the gourd again. The young Swallows are probably dead at this point but I’ll check again later today. This is the heartbreaking part of birding for me. My only request to others is to never erect housing or give housing to anyone who can’t or won’t agree to active management when non-native species are anywhere around. So sad.
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Date: 6/27/20 4:20 am From: Fred Kaluza <fkaluza...> Subject: [birders] Bird Behavior “Retirement”
Does anyone know if birds “retire”? Or...will they keep right on trying to raise offspring every year until eventually failing and leaving a clutch of half-developed young in a failed nest? In the past, “my” Tree Swallows have managed to fend off every attack from House Sparrows for several years running. As of yesterday however, I watched HOSPs carrying nest material into the gourd where young Tree Swallows were days from fledging. The adult Tree Swallows went missing and the HOSPS had started burying the young birds with grass and what not. I approached the gourd and removed the HOSP nesting with the young Swallows still alive but cowering in a little pocket at the far rear. As of now I still see no adult Swallows around while the Male HOSP has returned and is trying to attract a female to the gourd again. The young Swallows are probably dead at this point but I’ll check again later today. This is the heartbreaking part of birding for me. My only request to others is to never erect housing or give housing to anyone who can’t or won’t agree to active management when non-native species are anywhere around. So sad.
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Date: 6/24/20 6:31 am From: Allen Chartier <amazilia3...> Subject: Re: [birders] Can anyone hear the warbler?
Sue,
I hear a faint.Yellow Warbler ar those points in your recording.
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Date: 6/23/20 11:53 pm From: Jack Smiley <jackrsmiley...> Subject: Re: [birders] Can anyone hear the warbler?
Hard to say, but it sounds like a Blew-wind Warbler to me.
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Date: 6/23/20 8:18 pm From: smiller179 <smiller179...> Subject: [birders] Can anyone hear the warbler?
I hear a warbler (faint!) at seconds 6, 13, and 30. Is this just a song-shifting yellow or something more interesting? Sue Miller
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On Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 10:12 PM 'George Hammond' via Birders
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> On Jun 17, 2020, at 11:34 AM, <ibblazin...> wrote:
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> https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/pennsylvania-wildlife-center-warning-residents-of-danger-spotted-lanternfly-glue-traps-pose-to-wildlife/ar-BB15Cj6d?ocid=msedgdhp >
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> Spotted lanternfly isn’t here yet (it’s in western Pennsylvania), but it is expected to spread to us, and when it does, it may be a huge problem for grape and other fruit growers and for tree nurseries. Farmers in infested areas are using a lot more insecticide to try to protect their trees and crops.
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> These insects will certainly compete with birds for wild fruit. The species main host plant is the invasive tree Ailanthus altissima, aka tree-of-heaven, also introduced from Asia, an aggressive invader that supports no bugs for birds. Removing tree-of-heaven greatly slows down the spread of spotted lanternfly. Unfortunately this tree is itself very tough to control, and pretty much requires herbicide to kill it (if you just cut it down, its root system sends of hundreds of new shoots).
>
> Info on the insect:
> https://www.canr.msu.edu/invasive_species/uploads/files/SpottedLanternfly%20May%202019-final.pdf >
> Info on the tree (get rid of it as soon as you can!)
> https://extension.psu.edu/tree-of-heaven >
> George
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That’s the one woodpecker that I’ve been waiting for! They are in my area near Winans Lake, but I’ve never had one visit my feeder.
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> On Jun 23, 2020, at 1:36 PM, 'Melissa Pappas' via Birders <birders...> wrote:
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> This has been the first year we've seen red-headed woodpeckers hang around, also. Our location is perfect for them, and I expect to see some dark heads soon.
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> Melissa Pappas
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> "One can get in a car and see what man has made. One must get on a horse to see what God has made." ~ Author Unknown
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> On Tuesday, June 23, 2020, 01:00:21 PM EDT, James Buschmann <jbuschmann...> wrote:
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> Red-Headed woodpecker has been visiting our suet feeder in Dexter several times a day for three weeks. We have had migrants stop over in the spring before, but never a resident. He/she has a leisurely dining manner compared to the other WPs.
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Thank you, Mike. I've posted the link on the Washtenaw Audubon Society FB
page as well.
Josh Haas is a fabulous photographer and birder. He's been holding many
webinars since COVID hit, so we can stay involved with birds.
I won't miss this!
Juliet Berger
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Date: 6/23/20 10:26 am From: 'Melissa Pappas' via Birders <birders...> Subject: Re: [birders] Red-Headed WP
This has been the first year we've seen red-headed woodpeckers hang around, also. Our location is perfect for them, and I expect to see some dark heads soon.
Melissa PappasHamburg Township, Livingston County, MI
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Red-Headed woodpecker has been visiting our suet feeder in Dexter several times a day for three weeks. We have had migrants stop over in the spring before, but never a resident. He/she has a leisurely dining manner compared to the other WPs.
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Date: 6/23/20 10:00 am From: James Buschmann <jbuschmann...> Subject: [birders] Red-Headed WP
Red-Headed woodpecker has been visiting our suet feeder in Dexter several times a day for three weeks. We have had migrants stop over in the spring before, but never a resident. He/she has a leisurely dining manner compared to the other WPs.
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Date: 6/23/20 7:34 am From: Ron Gamble <rongamble...> Subject: [birders] RE: Birds seeing color - article also with local contributor
Oh – I see Melissa just beat me to it!
Ron G.
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Subject: Birds seeing color - article also with local contributor
All –
The link is an interesting article about birds (in this case, hummers) and
what they see for color. Also, if you remember Harold Eyster, he’s a
participant in the article. There’s a photo too.
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Date: 6/23/20 7:31 am From: Ron Gamble <rongamble...> Subject: [birders] Birds seeing color - article also with local contributor
All –
The link is an interesting article about birds (in this case, hummers) and what they see for color. Also, if you remember Harold Eyster, he’s a participant in the article. There’s a photo too.
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Date: 6/23/20 7:27 am From: Allen Chartier <amazilia3...> Subject: [birders] Identifying and recording bird songs
Birders,
Bird songs have been a passion of mine since I was a teenager, and it is nice to see what appears to be an increasing interest in this aspect of birding. Last month, I created several videos for the on-line bird banding 4th grade program for the E.L. Johnson Nature Center, and one of those was about bird songs. It might be of interest, bearding in mind that it is geared toward 4th graders:
I was happy to notice that my Nikon Coolpix did a fairly good job of picking up some of the bird songs that were close by, which is more convenient to use than my "professional" recording setup that includes a Marantz PMD-222, and a Sennheiser ME-55 shotgun microphone.
Date: 6/23/20 7:26 am From: 'Melissa Pappas' via Birders <birders...> Subject: [birders] How Hummingbirds See Color
Fascinating article! Wish I could see these colors, too!
Hummingbirds see colors we can only imagine | EarthSky.org
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You have a White-eyed Vireo in there!! Congrats!!
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Date: 6/22/20 10:37 am From: 'Alice Elliott' via Birders <birders...> Subject: Re: [birders] New eBird hotspots for local preserves
Whoops! Thanks for clarifying! My mistake.
On Mon, Jun 22, 2020 at 1:24 PM Diana Kern <dlkaamitwin...> wrote:
> Thank you Jack. I was going to correct but you did that for us. Happy > birding everyone. > Best, Diana Kern > > On Mon, Jun 22, 2020 at 12:59 PM Jack Smiley <jackrsmiley...> > wrote: > >> Just a bit of clarification: The Morris-Reichert Nature Preserve is a >> 242-acre preserve northwest of Gregory in Livingston County. It is owned >> by the Southeast Michigan Land Conservancy. >> >> The Reichert Nature Preserve, a 92-acre preserve near Little Portage Lake >> on the Washtenaw/Livingston County border, is owned by Legacy Land >> Conservancy. It is posted by Legacy Land Conservancy as having access with >> written permission only. There appears to be no hotspot on eBird for the >> Reichert Nature Preserve. >> >> Dr. Reichert and his wife (and Dr. & Mrs. Morris) were very generous. >> >> Jack Smiley >> >> On Mon, Jun 22, 2020 at 11:55 AM 'Alice Elliott' via Birders < >> <birders...> wrote: >> >>> Hello everyone, >>> >>> Just wanted to remind folks of several local preserves that could use >>> more ebird data! Creekshead, Beckwith, and Sharon Hills (not Sharon >>> Hollow!) all have ebird hotspots and we really need people to bird them so >>> we can get some good data. >>> >>> Recently we also created a new hotspot for the Morris-Reichert preserve >>> as well, which did not have one before, so we *really *need data for >>> that hotspot. >>> >>> If you live near any of those preserves, please do ebird them!! You can >>> visit this page for an overview of where each preserve is located to see >>> which one is closest to you. >>> https://legacylandconservancy.org/preserves/legacy-preserves/ >>> >>> Here are the hotspots: >>> Morris-Reichert (aka Reichert) <https://ebird.org/hotspot/L2888172> >>> Sharon Hills <https://ebird.org/hotspot/L3024314> >>> Beckwith <https://ebird.org/hotspot/L9918395> >>> Creekshead <https://ebird.org/hotspot/L11099258> >>> >>> Disclaimer: I work for Legacy Land Conservancy, who owns these >>> preserves, and it makes my job and my coworkers' job *way *easier to >>> have good ebird data to work from when writing management plans and >>> applying for grants :) >>> >>> Good birding, >>> Alice >>> >>> -- >>> Birders is a service of the Great Lakes Commission. Visit us at >>> www.glc.org >>> --- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Birders" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to birders+<unsubscribe...> >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/a/great-lakes.net/d/msgid/birders/<CAErMB8WXTT8mJYxGcs26ySnRyJR_KMX1ps_zQOAKwXVr47nmcg...> >>> <https://groups.google.com/a/great-lakes.net/d/msgid/birders/<CAErMB8WXTT8mJYxGcs26ySnRyJR_KMX1ps_zQOAKwXVr47nmcg...>?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>> . >>> >> -- >> Birders is a service of the Great Lakes Commission. Visit us at >> www.glc.org >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Birders" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to birders+<unsubscribe...> >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/a/great-lakes.net/d/msgid/birders/CAJpB0PW0AKYHsPo0Tp6BeO-bvn2Vc%2Btd42vjrxPjc%3DJ6%<2B3U41g...> >> <https://groups.google.com/a/great-lakes.net/d/msgid/birders/CAJpB0PW0AKYHsPo0Tp6BeO-bvn2Vc%2Btd42vjrxPjc%3DJ6%<2B3U41g...>?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >> . >> > > > -- > Best, > Diana > >
Date: 6/22/20 10:24 am From: Diana Kern <dlkaamitwin...> Subject: Re: [birders] New eBird hotspots for local preserves
Thank you Jack. I was going to correct but you did that for us. Happy birding everyone. Best, Diana Kern
On Mon, Jun 22, 2020 at 12:59 PM Jack Smiley <jackrsmiley...> wrote:
> Just a bit of clarification: The Morris-Reichert Nature Preserve is a > 242-acre preserve northwest of Gregory in Livingston County. It is owned > by the Southeast Michigan Land Conservancy. > > The Reichert Nature Preserve, a 92-acre preserve near Little Portage Lake > on the Washtenaw/Livingston County border, is owned by Legacy Land > Conservancy. It is posted by Legacy Land Conservancy as having access with > written permission only. There appears to be no hotspot on eBird for the > Reichert Nature Preserve. > > Dr. Reichert and his wife (and Dr. & Mrs. Morris) were very generous. > > Jack Smiley > > On Mon, Jun 22, 2020 at 11:55 AM 'Alice Elliott' via Birders < > <birders...> wrote: > >> Hello everyone, >> >> Just wanted to remind folks of several local preserves that could use >> more ebird data! Creekshead, Beckwith, and Sharon Hills (not Sharon >> Hollow!) all have ebird hotspots and we really need people to bird them so >> we can get some good data. >> >> Recently we also created a new hotspot for the Morris-Reichert preserve >> as well, which did not have one before, so we *really *need data for >> that hotspot. >> >> If you live near any of those preserves, please do ebird them!! You can >> visit this page for an overview of where each preserve is located to see >> which one is closest to you. >> https://legacylandconservancy.org/preserves/legacy-preserves/ >> >> Here are the hotspots: >> Morris-Reichert (aka Reichert) <https://ebird.org/hotspot/L2888172> >> Sharon Hills <https://ebird.org/hotspot/L3024314> >> Beckwith <https://ebird.org/hotspot/L9918395> >> Creekshead <https://ebird.org/hotspot/L11099258> >> >> Disclaimer: I work for Legacy Land Conservancy, who owns these preserves, >> and it makes my job and my coworkers' job *way *easier to have good >> ebird data to work from when writing management plans and applying for >> grants :) >> >> Good birding, >> Alice >> >> -- >> Birders is a service of the Great Lakes Commission. Visit us at >> www.glc.org >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Birders" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to birders+<unsubscribe...> >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/a/great-lakes.net/d/msgid/birders/<CAErMB8WXTT8mJYxGcs26ySnRyJR_KMX1ps_zQOAKwXVr47nmcg...> >> <https://groups.google.com/a/great-lakes.net/d/msgid/birders/<CAErMB8WXTT8mJYxGcs26ySnRyJR_KMX1ps_zQOAKwXVr47nmcg...>?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >> . >> > -- > Birders is a service of the Great Lakes Commission. Visit us at > www.glc.org > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Birders" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to birders+<unsubscribe...> > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/a/great-lakes.net/d/msgid/birders/CAJpB0PW0AKYHsPo0Tp6BeO-bvn2Vc%2Btd42vjrxPjc%3DJ6%<2B3U41g...> > <https://groups.google.com/a/great-lakes.net/d/msgid/birders/CAJpB0PW0AKYHsPo0Tp6BeO-bvn2Vc%2Btd42vjrxPjc%3DJ6%<2B3U41g...>?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . >
Date: 6/22/20 9:59 am From: Jack Smiley <jackrsmiley...> Subject: Re: [birders] New eBird hotspots for local preserves
Just a bit of clarification: The Morris-Reichert Nature Preserve is a 242-acre preserve northwest of Gregory in Livingston County. It is owned by the Southeast Michigan Land Conservancy.
The Reichert Nature Preserve, a 92-acre preserve near Little Portage Lake on the Washtenaw/Livingston County border, is owned by Legacy Land Conservancy. It is posted by Legacy Land Conservancy as having access with written permission only. There appears to be no hotspot on eBird for the Reichert Nature Preserve.
Dr. Reichert and his wife (and Dr. & Mrs. Morris) were very generous.
Jack Smiley
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Date: 6/22/20 8:55 am From: 'Alice Elliott' via Birders <birders...> Subject: [birders] New eBird hotspots for local preserves
Hello everyone,
Just wanted to remind folks of several local preserves that could use more ebird data! Creekshead, Beckwith, and Sharon Hills (not Sharon Hollow!) all have ebird hotspots and we really need people to bird them so we can get some good data.
Recently we also created a new hotspot for the Morris-Reichert preserve as well, which did not have one before, so we *really *need data for that hotspot.
Disclaimer: I work for Legacy Land Conservancy, who owns these preserves, and it makes my job and my coworkers' job *way *easier to have good ebird data to work from when writing management plans and applying for grants :)
I have really been enjoying people’s descriptions and tales of great birds in water features!
We do a simple version… Just making a puddle in our driveway! It draws birds like Orioles, Cedar waxwings, bluebirds, indigo Buntings… But yesterday was the first time we had ever seen a hawk splashing around and enjoying it! Highly cropped photos, taken with my phone camera, through binoculars, through the window. It was fun to watch!
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> On Jun 19, 2020, at 9:21 PM, Mag Tait <magtait1...> wrote:
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>>> On Jun 19, 2020, at 9:09 PM, 'Melissa Pappas' via Birders <birders...> wrote:
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>> Just saw that I got so excited about the Hooded Warbler that I didn't finish my post. I was going to say that we hadn't seen (but had frequently heard - both song and chip note) a Hooded Warbler in the yard in about 3 years. Seeing her this evening was a real treat.
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>> Melissa Pappas
>> Hamburg Township, Livingston County, MI
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Thanks for the link to Sibley's site, which I was not aware of. I don't know if it is due to the difference in recording conditions and/or equipment, but your recording sounds higher pitched than mine. And the call in question of Baltimore Orioles is often more nasal than my recording.
Thanks to all for their suggestions. One suggestion of Baltimore oriole fledglings led me to search for BAOR fledgling sounds, and the report found here (with Allen Chartier's recording):
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> Wood Thrush? One of their calls is very close to this, though the two > different pitches in odd. > > > On Jun 21, 2020, at 2:21 PM, John Latta <lattaj...> wrote: > > I'm wondering if anybody with a more experienced ear can identify the > birds here. Two trading the same phrase. Recorded near the road at the > westernmost Lulu Rd. pull-out at Petersburg SGA. I couldn't locate either > of them, though they sounded closeby. Habitat: lots of scrub thickets, > largely Russian olive, I think, with aspens / cottonwoods. > > Thanks, > John > > -- > Birders is a service of the Great Lakes Commission. Visit us at > www.glc.org > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Birders" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to birders+<unsubscribe...> > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/a/great-lakes.net/d/msgid/birders/<CAKsAVKbbysA_Z6YnPFT56LZGQaL47STcr-B2OzM4TWgsWDemDQ...> > <https://groups.google.com/a/great-lakes.net/d/msgid/birders/<CAKsAVKbbysA_Z6YnPFT56LZGQaL47STcr-B2OzM4TWgsWDemDQ...>?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > <Petersburg SGA.m4a> > > > -- > Bob Tarte > > NEW BOOK: > *FEATHER BRAINED* > My Bumbling Quest to Become a Birder and Find a Rare Bird On My Own > (University of Michigan Press) > > OTHER BOOKS: > *Enslaved By Ducks* > *Fowl Weather* > *Kitty Cornered* > > www.BobTarte.com <http://www.bobtarte.com> > > > >
NEW BOOK:
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Enslaved By Ducks
Fowl Weather
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Date: 6/21/20 11:26 am From: Scott Manly <manlyrs...> Subject: Re: [birders] Petersburg SGA recording
One of the first things that comes to my mind in hearing these is a shorebird. Up where I am (Southern edge of boreal forest in Saskatchewan) it is not uncommon to see Greater Yellowlegs perched onto a pine tree in the open forest.
If your calls were more involved, I would almost guess Upland Sandpiper.
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Subject: [birders] Petersburg SGA recording
I'm wondering if anybody with a more experienced ear can identify the birds here. Two trading the same phrase. Recorded near the road at the westernmost Lulu Rd. pull-out at Petersburg SGA. I couldn't locate either of them, though they sounded closeby. Habitat: lots of scrub thickets, largely Russian olive, I think, with aspens / cottonwoods.
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Date: 6/21/20 11:21 am From: John Latta <lattaj...> Subject: [birders] Petersburg SGA recording
I'm wondering if anybody with a more experienced ear can identify the birds here. Two trading the same phrase. Recorded near the road at the westernmost Lulu Rd. pull-out at Petersburg SGA. I couldn't locate either of them, though they sounded closeby. Habitat: lots of scrub thickets, largely Russian olive, I think, with aspens / cottonwoods.
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> On Jun 19, 2020, at 9:09 PM, 'Melissa Pappas' via Birders <birders...> wrote:
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> Melissa Pappas
> Hamburg Township, Livingston County, MI
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Just saw that I got so excited about the Hooded Warbler that I didn't finish my post. I was going to say that we hadn't seen (but had frequently heard - both song and chip note) a Hooded Warbler in the yard in about 3 years. Seeing her this evening was a real treat.
Melissa PappasHamburg Township, Livingston County, MI
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On Friday, June 19, 2020, 06:07:19 PM EDT, 'Melissa Pappas' via Birders <birders...> wrote:
Just on the back deck! We have a fountain there, and she looked like she wanted to visit. We had a male visit a birdbath a few years ago, but
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Just on the back deck! We have a fountain there, and she looked like she wanted to visit. We had a male visit a birdbath a few years ago, but
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Date: 6/19/20 2:07 pm From: Sherri Smith <grackle...> Subject: [birders] Can Mallards count their babies
As a long time bird rehabbed I can tell you they can’t. But they may hear one peeping when you can’t.
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Date: 6/19/20 2:05 pm From: Penny <dorfdoom...> Subject: Re: [birders] Can mallard hens count the number of their offspring?
I always thought these waterfowl have a way of counting.
Penny
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>> On Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 8:40 PM Jeffrey Von Glahn <jeffreyvonglahn...> wrote:
>> On a pleasant spring evening, I was walking along a well-trod, black-topped pathway in a park behind my apartment building. A short distance ahead, I spotted a mallard hen standing in the middle of it. What an odd place, I thought, for a duck to be just “standing around.” There was a small pond on one side of her and knee-high green stuff on the other. Then nine recently hatched little ones scrambled up the embankment, hurried past her, and disappeared into the tall stuff. Mom stayed rooted in place, and seemed to be quite at ease in doing so. I stood in place as well, and waited. A full minute must have gone by when I glanced into the pond and spotted a little one paddling towards the shore. Once there, it hurried past its mother, with her quickly following, without a sound from either one, and both disappeared from sight. Could mom tell the difference between nine and ten?
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> On Jun 19, 2020, at 12:16 PM, Tait, Mag <mtait...> wrote:
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> Indeed, wonderful. Unfortunately, I have been at work more than usual.
> My daughter has had yard barred owls for four years now in Seattle. They apparently stay in the same territory so I bet you have a permanent resident!
> My daughter has had yard barred owls for four years now in Seattle. They apparently stay in the same territory so I bet you have a permanent resident!
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>>> On Jun 19, 2020, at 12:11 PM, 'Melissa Pappas' via Birders <birders...> wrote:
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>> External Email - Use Caution
>> Sometimes a "bad" thing can have wonderful repercussions. I've been working from home since early March due to Covid. Prior to this, I was leaving to go to the office in the dark and coming home in the dark. My yard time was severely limited to weekends and an hour or two (at most) after work.
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>> Yesterday, I got to watch one of the local phoebes bathing in our water feature. Unlike all the other birds (and there are so many) who perch in one of the levels and splash, the phoebe perches on a piece of yard-art and strafes the surface of the water. I watched for several minutes, enthralled by the quick maneuvers.
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>> I also found we have a beautiful Barred Owl who has decided to call our yard part of his/her regular visits. The past two evenings (just before dark) and early this morning I've walked out to find him/her perched on one of our redbud trees. We do have a surfeit of fat chipmunks and squirrels, so I know hunting is good. With the water feature an easy place to drink and/or bathe (we do have a deeper part), I'm hoping he/she stays.
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Date: 6/19/20 9:16 am From: Tait, Mag <mtait...> Subject: Re: [birders] Great Yard Bird Activity
Indeed, wonderful. Unfortunately, I have been at work more than usual.
My daughter has had yard barred owls for four years now in Seattle. They apparently stay in the same territory so I bet you have a permanent resident!
My daughter has had yard barred owls for four years now in Seattle. They apparently stay in the same territory so I bet you have a permanent resident!
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On Jun 19, 2020, at 12:11 PM, 'Melissa Pappas' via Birders <birders...> wrote:
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Sometimes a "bad" thing can have wonderful repercussions. I've been working from home since early March due to Covid. Prior to this, I was leaving to go to the office in the dark and coming home in the dark. My yard time was severely limited to weekends and an hour or two (at most) after work.
Yesterday, I got to watch one of the local phoebes bathing in our water feature. Unlike all the other birds (and there are so many) who perch in one of the levels and splash, the phoebe perches on a piece of yard-art and strafes the surface of the water. I watched for several minutes, enthralled by the quick maneuvers.
I also found we have a beautiful Barred Owl who has decided to call our yard part of his/her regular visits. The past two evenings (just before dark) and early this morning I've walked out to find him/her perched on one of our redbud trees. We do have a surfeit of fat chipmunks and squirrels, so I know hunting is good. With the water feature an easy place to drink and/or bathe (we do have a deeper part), I'm hoping he/she stays.
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Date: 6/19/20 9:11 am From: 'Melissa Pappas' via Birders <birders...> Subject: [birders] Great Yard Bird Activity
Sometimes a "bad" thing can have wonderful repercussions. I've been working from home since early March due to Covid. Prior to this, I was leaving to go to the office in the dark and coming home in the dark. My yard time was severely limited to weekends and an hour or two (at most) after work.
Yesterday, I got to watch one of the local phoebes bathing in our water feature. Unlike all the other birds (and there are so many) who perch in one of the levels and splash, the phoebe perches on a piece of yard-art and strafes the surface of the water. I watched for several minutes, enthralled by the quick maneuvers.
I also found we have a beautiful Barred Owl who has decided to call our yard part of his/her regular visits. The past two evenings (just before dark) and early this morning I've walked out to find him/her perched on one of our redbud trees. We do have a surfeit of fat chipmunks and squirrels, so I know hunting is good. With the water feature an easy place to drink and/or bathe (we do have a deeper part), I'm hoping he/she stays.
Melissa PappasHamburg Township, Livingston County, MI
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Date: 6/19/20 1:27 am From: Jack Smiley <jackrsmiley...> Subject: Re: [birders] Can mallard hens count the number of their offspring?
There's no way of knowing from your account. If she had seen the one
remaining duckling in the pond, there would be no need to count.
On Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 8:40 PM Jeffrey Von Glahn <jeffreyvonglahn...>
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> On a pleasant spring evening, I was walking along a well-trod,
> black-topped pathway in a park behind my apartment building. A short
> distance ahead, I spotted a mallard hen standing in the middle of it. What
> an odd place, I thought, for a duck to be just “standing around.” There was
> a small pond on one side of her and knee-high green stuff on the other.
> Then nine recently hatched little ones scrambled up the embankment, hurried
> past her, and disappeared into the tall stuff. Mom stayed rooted in place,
> and seemed to be quite at ease in doing so. I stood in place as well, and
> waited. A full minute must have gone by when I glanced into the pond and
> spotted a little one paddling towards the shore. Once there, it hurried
> past its mother, with her quickly following, without a sound from either
> one, and both disappeared from sight. Could mom tell the difference between
> nine and ten?
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These insects will certainly compete with birds for wild fruit. The species main host plant is the invasive tree Ailanthus altissima, aka tree-of-heaven, also introduced from Asia, an aggressive invader that supports no bugs for birds. Removing tree-of-heaven greatly slows down the spread of spotted lanternfly. Unfortunately this tree is itself very tough to control, and pretty much requires herbicide to kill it (if you just cut it down, its root system sends of hundreds of new shoots).
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Date: 6/18/20 6:25 pm From: 'George Hammond' via Birders <birders...> Subject: Re: [birders] Question about Tucker Lake, Jackson County
On Jun 17, 2020, at 9:44 AM, Allen Chartier <amazilia3...> wrote:
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> Birders,
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> Tucker Lake is nestled within a patchwork of apparently private property and state land of the Sharonville SGA. It is northwest of the Sharonville Shooting Range. Can anyone tell me if this is a publicly accessible lake? There seems to be a trail (or ATV track) going north from Sharon Valley Road, but maybe this is not open to the public? Thanks for any information.
I’ve never been there, but I’m quick with the Google :-) I found this map of Sharonville State Game Area. It looks like only the north side of Tucker Lake is private land, and the other sides are all part of the Game Area, including the area between Tucker Lake and Sharon Valley Rd.:
http://www.michigandnr.com/publications/pdfs/huntingwildlifehabitat/sga/Sharonville_SGA_map.pdf
I hope this helps,
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Date: 6/18/20 5:40 pm From: Jeffrey Von Glahn <jeffreyvonglahn...> Subject: [birders] Can mallard hens count the number of their offspring?
On a pleasant spring evening, I was walking along a well-trod, black-topped
pathway in a park behind my apartment building. A short distance ahead, I
spotted a mallard hen standing in the middle of it. What an odd place, I
thought, for a duck to be just “standing around.” There was a small pond on
one side of her and knee-high green stuff on the other. Then nine recently
hatched little ones scrambled up the embankment, hurried past her, and
disappeared into the tall stuff. Mom stayed rooted in place, and seemed to
be quite at ease in doing so. I stood in place as well, and waited. A full
minute must have gone by when I glanced into the pond and spotted a little
one paddling towards the shore. Once there, it hurried past its mother,
with her quickly following, without a sound from either one, and both
disappeared from sight. Could mom tell the difference between nine and ten?
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Date: 6/18/20 12:44 am From: thegarlicks <thegarlicks...> Subject: Re: [birders] Global Wood Duck Population...
That must have seemed like the longest 15 minutes ever! :) Thanks for the sweet story, and congrats. :)
Diane Garlick, Augusta
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Increased by nine at 10:05 this morning. There was no mistaking the sounds today as “mom” stayed in the box long after her regular morning “breakfast and bathroom” run. By 6:30, there were distinct peeping sounds and the hen was actively communicating with the hatchlings. Around 9:45, she hopped into the entrance/exit and stayed there for fifteen minutes just assessing the area outside. Then she hopped into the water beneath the box and called to the kids. One by one, over a two minute span, they each did the belly-flop about six feet into the river below. Despite the fact the river is home to Snapping turtles, Blue Herons, Pike and “Muskies”, she took them right into deep water and over to the other side. All nine (plus the hen) are tucked up under overhanging brush probably napping after the biggest morning of their lives. I’ll get around to analyzing that camera failure and checking out/cleaning out the nest box in the next few days for those interested. I also promised the folks at “Duck Hut” some feedback too. Happy birthday and happy birding.
Date: 6/17/20 6:19 pm From: Allen Chartier <amazilia3...> Subject: [birders] Spring 2020 Bird Banding Totals
Birders and Banders,
Spring bird banding was conducted at Lake St. Clair Metropark on 16 days between 5 April and 6 June 2020. A total of 984 birds of 62 species was banded. The details have been posted to my blog, here:
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Date: 6/17/20 8:24 am From: 'Mike Sefton' via Birders <birders...> Subject: [birders] Tonight: Florida Lifers is Washtenaw Audubon online program, Wednesday, June 17, 7:30pm, all invited
Birders and friends,
Washtenaw Audubon’s in person programs at the Botanical Gardens are on hold until the University allows gatherings to take place. To view our online Zoom program tonight, you will need access to an internet-capable computer, phone, or similar device. You do not have to be a Washtenaw Audubon member to view this program, though we would welcome your membership to help support our environmental programs.
We may add more online programs for July and August, which will be announced on our web page, Facebook page, and on the Birders email listserv.
Wednesday, June 17, 7:30pm (an online Zoom program)
Florida Lifers: Checkmarks on Your Life List
Join popular Washtenaw Audubon speaker and noted humorist Don Chalfant tonight in an illustrated talk on the birding delights of his second home, Florida. Don has spent his winters in Florida pursuing and photographing some of the more unlikely species to show up there, as well as more common species such as Painted Bunting, Limpkin, Crested Caracara, and Swallow-tailed Kite. Besides his spectacular photos, Don will doubtless have a number of droll anecdotes to relate. Don Chalfant is a resident of Ann Arbor and New Smyrna Beach, a retired teacher, an avid photographer, and an ace birder.
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Date: 6/17/20 6:44 am From: Allen Chartier <amazilia3...> Subject: [birders] Question about Tucker Lake, Jackson County
Birders,
Tucker Lake is nestled within a patchwork of apparently private property and state land of the Sharonville SGA. It is northwest of the Sharonville Shooting Range. Can anyone tell me if this is a publicly accessible lake? There seems to be a trail (or ATV track) going north from Sharon Valley Road, but maybe this is not open to the public? Thanks for any information.
Date: 6/16/20 8:31 pm From: 'Mike Sefton' via Birders <birders...> Subject: [birders] Florida Lifers is Washtenaw Audubon online program Wednesday, June 17, 7:30pm, all invited
Birders and friends,
Washtenaw Audubon’s in person programs at the Botanical Gardens are on hold until the University allows gatherings to take place. To view our online Zoom programs, you will need access to an internet-capable computer, phone, or similar device. An announcement of the web address to view the program will be on our web site, Facebook page, and on the Birders email list a few days before the program.
We may also add more online programs for July and August, which will be announced on the same internet platforms.
Wednesday, June 17, 7:30pm (an online Zoom program)
Florida Lifers: Checkmarks on Your Life List
Join popular Washtenaw Audubon speaker and noted humorist Don Chalfant in an illustrated talk on the birding delights of his second home, Florida. Don has spent his winters in Florida pursuing and photographing some of the more unlikely species to show up there, as well as more common species such as Painted Bunting, Limpkin, Crested Caracara, and Swallow-tailed Kite. Besides his spectacular photos, Don will doubtless have a number of droll anecdotes to relate. Don Chalfant is a resident of Ann Arbor and New Smyrna Beach, a retired teacher, an avid photographer, and an ace birder.
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Date: 6/16/20 5:06 pm From: mjcapo via Birders <birders...> Subject: [birders] OT: Just for Fun
The Library-Themed Livestream Where Birds Stretch Their Wings - Atlas Obscura
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Date: 6/16/20 4:29 pm From: 'Mike Sefton' via Birders <birders...> Subject: [birders] Non-bird: Virtual camp offered this month! And other June events!
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On Tue, Jun 16, 2020, 5:49 PM Penny <dorfdoom...> wrote:
> Any ideas what this bird in Arizona is, Scottsdale area? It’s on top of
> cactus and must be enlarged.
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> Increased by nine at 10:05 this morning. There was no mistaking the sounds today as “mom” stayed in the box long after her regular morning “breakfast and bathroom” run. By 6:30, there were distinct peeping sounds and the hen was actively communicating with the hatchlings. Around 9:45, she hopped into the entrance/exit and stayed there for fifteen minutes just assessing the area outside. Then she hopped into the water beneath the box and called to the kids. One by one, over a two minute span, they each did the belly-flop about six feet into the river below. Despite the fact the river is home to Snapping turtles, Blue Herons, Pike and “Muskies”, she took them right into deep water and over to the other side. All nine (plus the hen) are tucked up under overhanging brush probably napping after the biggest morning of their lives. I’ll get around to analyzing that camera failure and checking out/cleaning out the nest box in the next few days for those interested. I also promised the folks at “Duck Hut” some feedback too. Happy birthday and happy birding.
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Any ideas what this bird in Arizona is, Scottsdale area? It’s on top of cactus and must be enlarged.
Penny
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Date: 6/16/20 9:14 am From: Barbara Janssen <bjanssen24...> Subject: [birders] Update, and Thank You !
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Date: 6/16/20 8:56 am From: Fred Kaluza <fkaluza...> Subject: [birders] Global Wood Duck Population...
Increased by nine at 10:05 this morning. There was no mistaking the sounds today as “mom” stayed in the box long after her regular morning “breakfast and bathroom” run. By 6:30, there were distinct peeping sounds and the hen was actively communicating with the hatchlings. Around 9:45, she hopped into the entrance/exit and stayed there for fifteen minutes just assessing the area outside. Then she hopped into the water beneath the box and called to the kids. One by one, over a two minute span, they each did the belly-flop about six feet into the river below. Despite the fact the river is home to Snapping turtles, Blue Herons, Pike and “Muskies”, she took them right into deep water and over to the other side. All nine (plus the hen) are tucked up under overhanging brush probably napping after the biggest morning of their lives. I’ll get around to analyzing that camera failure and checking out/cleaning out the nest box in the next few days for those interested. I also promised the folks at “Duck Hut” some feedback too. Happy birthday and happy birding.
Date: 6/15/20 6:26 pm From: Barbara Janssen <bjanssen24...> Subject: [birders] Help needed !
Thank You ! If seen contact Police..
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Date: 6/15/20 4:47 pm From: Janet Hinshaw <jhinshaw...> Subject: Re: [birders] More cuckoos and moths?
As with many species Gypsy moths and cuckoos exhibit regular population fluctuations. Cuckoo population levels are one factor affecting Gypsy moths. They are the only species that regularly feed on hairy caterpillars. There is interesting Information from USDA northern research station.
Established populations of GM behind the invasion exhibit episodes of major outbreak that tend to vary periodically with 5 to 10 years between outbreaks. These outbreak cycles are believed to be caused by numerical interactions between the gypsy moth and two pathogens that are specific to them: a nucleopolyhedrosis virus (NPV) and the fungal pathogen Entomophaga maimaiga. The impact of the latter pathogen is strongly influenced by moisture levels during the early summer when gypsy moth larvae are developing and are susceptible to the fungus. Evidence indicates that the strength of the periodicity of gypsy moth outbreaks is related to populations of white-footed mice, which consume large fractions of GM pupae during periods of low density; mouse populations are in turn influenced by the size of acorn mast crops, which vary among years in a synchronous fashion across the region. Synchrony in mast seeding is thus believed to ultimately contribute to observed patterns of synchrony of gypsy moth outbreaks across large regions.
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Date: 6/15/20 3:38 pm From: Reg Baker <vireo...> Subject: Re: [birders] More cuckoos and moths?
This whole thread is interesting to me in that I’ve been birding the same patch for 22 years and have encountered this bird just once – in September of 2003. A week or so ago I heard what sounded like a yellow-billed calling off and on for about 10 minutes, but I didn’t log it to eBird because I could not get my binos on it and it’s such a rare bird for my patch. Funny now to see these birds being reported all over the place.
From: Joan Lutovsky <lutovskj...>
Date: Monday, June 15, 2020 at 4:51 PM
To: "<ddarm...>" <ddarm...>
Cc: Fred Kaluza <fkaluza...>, Ann Alvarez <annra.new...>, michael wells <imwells99...>, Birders <birders...>
Subject: Re: [birders] More cuckoos and moths?
I thought of that too, but I have been retired for 2 years so my pattern has not changed much and still seeing more cuckoos
Joan Lutovsky
On Mon, Jun 15, 2020, 3:06 PM ddarm ddarm <ddarm...> wrote:
Or perhaps humans have had more time to explore the outside world lately? The more we explore, the more we may find. Still COVID related but in a more positive way.
D
Deaver D. Armstrong
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On Jun 15, 2020, at 2:43 PM, Fred Kaluza <fkaluza...> wrote:
Makes me wonder if somehow these “extra Cuckoos” and cool moths are rebound results of depressed human activity from Covid-19? I keep looking for signs that nature bounces back to fill a gap left when humans stay indoors and business contracts. If true, it suggests there is no more “slack” in the natural world. Both sides expand and contract as pressure is reduced by the other. Who knows, a biased mind, will usually finds what it wants to!
On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 1:07 PM -0400, "Ann Alvarez" <annra.new...> wrote:
Here’s what my favorite nature ID app - iNaturalist - has to say:
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Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 15, 2020, at 1:00 PM, 'michael wells' via Birders <birders...> wrote:
Like Fred, had one in my Garage today, so I re-located it outside. Must be learning to fly since didn't fly for several minutes... Anyone know what species it is? Never saw one like this in my lifetime.
Best of Regards, Michael Wells, LIC
6481 Springfield Ln.
Clarkston, Mi. 48346
248-625-3089
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Date: 6/15/20 1:54 pm From: 'Mike Sefton' via Birders <birders...> Subject: [birders] Non-bird: Great American Outdoors Act | Black Women Who Bird | Pride Month
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Date: 6/15/20 12:54 pm From: Fred Kaluza <fkaluza...> Subject: [birders] Re: More cuckoos and moths?
Agreed Deaver and...although I’m noticing more “exercising outdoors-people”, it stands to reason there are generally an increased number of folks taking interest in the outdoors lately for all reasons. All good for the environment I hope. Yesterday I was pleasantly surprised that the shooting range on Inwood road ceased fire... while I was there anyway. I wonder if they just have shorter Sunday hours or what but it made the afternoon a lot nicer than the perpetual intermittent sounds of gunfire amidst the peace and quiet. Maybe they could adopt an hour on-and-off cycle like shooting on odd hours and off on the evens? Reminded me of a sign I saw on one of the trails saying the park receives 25,000 complaints a year about the gunfire but we just “have to put up with it” as it’s part of the area. I think that the sign should instead encourage people to write the politicians and petition for changes to benefit the outdoors.
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Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 3:06 PM
To: Fred Kaluza
Cc: Ann Alvarez; michael wells; Birders UM
Subject: More cuckoos and moths? Or perhaps humans have had more time to explore the outside world lately? The more we explore, the more we may find. Still COVID related but in a more positive way.D
Deaver D. Armstrong
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On Jun 15, 2020, at 2:43 PM, Fred Kaluza <fkaluza...> wrote:
Makes me wonder if somehow these “extra Cuckoos” and cool moths are rebound results of depressed human activity from Covid-19? I keep looking for signs that nature bounces back to fill a gap left when humans stay indoors and business contracts. If true, it suggests there is no more “slack” in the natural world. Both sides expand and contract as pressure is reduced by the other. Who knows, a biased mind, will usually finds what it wants to!
On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 1:07 PM -0400, "Ann Alvarez" <annra.new...> wrote:
Here’s what my favorite nature ID app - iNaturalist - has to say:
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Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 15, 2020, at 1:00 PM, 'michael wells' via Birders <birders...> wrote:
Like Fred, had one in my Garage today, so I re-located it outside. Must be learning to fly since didn't fly for several minutes... Anyone know what species it is? Never saw one like this in my lifetime.
Best of Regards, Michael Wells, LIC
6481 Springfield Ln.
Clarkston, Mi. 48346
248-625-3089
----- Forwarded Message ----- From: Fred Kaluza <fkaluza...>To: 'Mike Sefton' via Birders <birders...>Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020, 12:01:36 PM EDTSubject: [birders] Stoney Creek Bonus Photo
An interesting moth on growing Goldenrod. <Image.jpeg><Image.jpeg>
Date: 6/15/20 12:06 pm From: ddarm ddarm <ddarm...> Subject: [birders] More cuckoos and moths?
Or perhaps humans have had more time to explore the outside world lately? The more we explore, the more we may find. Still COVID related but in a more positive way.
D
Deaver D. Armstrong
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> On Jun 15, 2020, at 2:43 PM, Fred Kaluza <fkaluza...> wrote:
>
>
> Makes me wonder if somehow these “extra Cuckoos” and cool moths are rebound results of depressed human activity from Covid-19? I keep looking for signs that nature bounces back to fill a gap left when humans stay indoors and business contracts. If true, it suggests there is no more “slack” in the natural world. Both sides expand and contract as pressure is reduced by the other. Who knows, a biased mind, will usually finds what it wants to!
>
>
>
>
>> On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 1:07 PM -0400, "Ann Alvarez" <annra.new...> wrote:
>>
>> Here’s what my favorite nature ID app - iNaturalist - has to say:
>>
>> <image.png>
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>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>>> On Jun 15, 2020, at 1:00 PM, 'michael wells' via Birders <birders...> wrote:
>>>>
>>>
>>> Like Fred, had one in my Garage today, so I re-located it outside. Must be learning to fly since didn't fly for several minutes... Anyone know what species it is? Never saw one like this in my lifetime.
>>>
>>> Best of Regards, Michael Wells, LIC
>>> 6481 Springfield Ln.
>>> Clarkston, Mi. 48346
>>> 248-625-3089
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Forwarded Message -----
>>> From: Fred Kaluza <fkaluza...>
>>> To: 'Mike Sefton' via Birders <birders...>
>>> Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020, 12:01:36 PM EDT
>>> Subject: [birders] Stoney Creek Bonus Photo
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>>>
>>> An interesting moth on growing Goldenrod.
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Date: 6/15/20 12:05 pm From: Fred Kaluza <fkaluza...> Subject: Re: [birders] Audio from Stony Creek
Sounds like (as a group), we’ve nailed it! Confirmation and consensus is a good thing. With all the extra interest in diversity and compassion, I wonder if there are special bird groups who lean more toward birding by ear? My eyes are still pretty good but in the future, birding by ear may be a bigger part of my life. Hmmm, interesting diversion...what fails first as we age, eyes or ears? Then...what’s easier to enhance or restore with technology? I guess avid birders are prepared for both eventualities.
On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 1:23 PM -0400, "Allen Chartier" <amazilia3...> wrote:
Fred,
It is a cuckoo, but I've seen both species giving this type of call. It subtly sounds a bit more like Yellow-bellied to me.
Allen T. Chartier
Inkster, Michigan
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On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 7:47 AM Fred Kaluza <fkaluza...> wrote:
Just recorded this and it’s new to me. After calling from one location, it moved without us noticing to another spot 100 yards away and resumed calling. Sounds like pretty good-sized lungs to me.
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Date: 6/15/20 11:51 am From: Jeff Moore <jmo.jeffmoore...> Subject: Re: [birders] Stoney Creek Bonus Photo-MOTH(OT)
I've found these pretty frequently over the last decade at my home in
Milford and now Brighton. Very cool looking, aren't they!
Jeff Moore, Brighton twp
On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 2:43 PM Fred Kaluza <fkaluza...> wrote:
Date: 6/15/20 11:43 am From: Fred Kaluza <fkaluza...> Subject: Re: [birders] Stoney Creek Bonus Photo-MOTH(OT)
Makes me wonder if somehow these “extra Cuckoos” and cool moths are rebound results of depressed human activity from Covid-19? I keep looking for signs that nature bounces back to fill a gap left when humans stay indoors and business contracts. If true, it suggests there is no more “slack” in the natural world. Both sides expand and contract as pressure is reduced by the other. Who knows, a biased mind, will usually finds what it wants to!
On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 1:07 PM -0400, "Ann Alvarez" <annra.new...> wrote:
Here’s what my favorite nature ID app - iNaturalist - has to say:
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 15, 2020, at 1:00 PM, 'michael wells' via Birders <birders...> wrote:
Like Fred, had one in my Garage today, so I re-located it outside. Must be learning to fly since didn't fly for several minutes... Anyone know what species it is? Never saw one like this in my lifetime.
Best of Regards, Michael Wells, LIC
6481 Springfield Ln.
Clarkston, Mi. 48346
248-625-3089
----- Forwarded Message ----- From: Fred Kaluza <fkaluza...>To: 'Mike Sefton' via Birders <birders...>Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020, 12:01:36 PM EDTSubject: [birders] Stoney Creek Bonus Photo
An interesting moth on growing Goldenrod. <Image.jpeg><Image.jpeg>
Date: 6/15/20 11:13 am From: 'Suzanne (Moses) Vedder' via Birders <birders...> Subject: Re: [birders] Audio from Stony Creek
I have had an increased number of Yellow-billed Cuckoos calling and seen in my yard and neighborhood this year. (And greatly enjoying it!) I was attributing their increased number to the increased presence of the Gypsy Moth Caterpillars, as Juliet mentioned.
I'm in Big Rapids, MI or NE Newaygo County
Suzanne
"Your worst days are never so bad that you are beyond the reach of God's grace, and your best days are never so good that you are beyond the need of God's grace." - Jerry Bridges
On Monday, June 15, 2020, 01:23:33 PM EDT, Allen Chartier <amazilia3...> wrote:
On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 7:47 AM Fred Kaluza <fkaluza...> wrote:
Just recorded this and it’s new to me. After calling from one location, it moved without us noticing to another spot 100 yards away and resumed calling. Sounds like pretty good-sized lungs to me.
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Date: 6/15/20 10:07 am From: Ann Alvarez <annra.new...> Subject: Re: [birders] Stoney Creek Bonus Photo-MOTH(OT)
Here’s what my favorite nature ID app - iNaturalist - has to say:
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jun 15, 2020, at 1:00 PM, 'michael wells' via Birders <birders...> wrote:
>
>
> Like Fred, had one in my Garage today, so I re-located it outside. Must be learning to fly since didn't fly for several minutes... Anyone know what species it is? Never saw one like this in my lifetime.
>
> Best of Regards, Michael Wells, LIC
> 6481 Springfield Ln.
> Clarkston, Mi. 48346
> 248-625-3089
>
>
> ----- Forwarded Message -----
> From: Fred Kaluza <fkaluza...>
> To: 'Mike Sefton' via Birders <birders...>
> Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020, 12:01:36 PM EDT
> Subject: [birders] Stoney Creek Bonus Photo
>
>
> An interesting moth on growing Goldenrod.
> <Image.jpeg>
> <Image.jpeg>
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Date: 6/15/20 10:00 am From: 'michael wells' via Birders <birders...> Subject: Fw: [birders] Stoney Creek Bonus Photo-MOTH(OT)
Like Fred, had one in my Garage today, so I re-located it outside. Must be learning to fly since didn't fly for several minutes... Anyone know what species it is? Never saw one like this in my lifetime.
Best of Regards, Michael Wells, LIC
6481 Springfield Ln.
Clarkston, Mi. 48346
248-625-3089
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Date: 6/15/20 8:57 am From: Fred Kaluza <fkaluza...> Subject: [birders] Stony Creek Audio
Thanks for all the responses folks. After review, I’m also going with the Yellow-Billed Cuckoo. Bill’s “Grebe” option was looked into but the mystery bird was in the nature area well away from Grebe habitat. Plus, the calls themselves and the secretive nature of the Cuckoo fit perfectly with the way it behaved. Attached Is the longer version of the recording. You can ignore the sound of the Pilleated Woodpecker at the end which was my wife fiddling with her phone using some free app which purports to identify birds by their calls. Also of note at the park yesterday were Towhees, Kingbirds, Bluebirds and others. Very cool to learn we are in a “Cuckoo Glut” this year! Lots of people out on the trails but most seem to be exercising instead of stopping to soak it all in and let nature work her magic. Go out, relax, explore and enjoy. The weather is wonderful!
Date: 6/14/20 8:13 pm From: Juliet Berger <juliet.berger...> Subject: Re: [birders] Audio from Stony Creek
There are lots more cuckoos this year in Washtenaw, as we are having a
moderately heavy Gypsy Moth infestation. Stinchfield Woods is partially
denuded on the South Side along N. Territorial. Other areas are affected
too.
Cuckoos breed super fast, and their numbers increase dramatically in a
caterpillar infestation year. Also, there may be some migration into new
infestation areas.
Juliet Berger
On Sun, Jun 14, 2020 at 9:15 PM Janet Hinshaw <jhinshaw...> wrote:
Date: 6/14/20 8:02 pm From: Susan Horvath <shorvath...> Subject: Re: [birders] Wood Duck Info Needed
This year is the first time that we've had all 4 wood duck boxes
occupied by wood ducks... and cameras in all 4 boxes. Our experience
was the same as yours: hatch over the course of a day... we thought we
heard chirping, too. They'll jump tomorrow morning and hightail it
outta there. Last year my husband got up early to sit on our upstairs
deck. Mom seemed to be aware of him. He finally came in the house,
came downstairs, and looked out again... and they were gone! Just that
fast! He was bummed. This year, we finally caught one of the fledges
in action. Mom suddenly stretched her neck way way out. Dropped down
and called for them to jump. It was 11:42am. The ones we missed were
mostly a bit earlier in the morning.
On Sun, Jun 14, 2020 at 1:43 PM Fred Kaluza <fkaluza...> wrote:
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> Wouldn’t you know it...the little nest box cam that’s been running reliably for about three years failed about (what I think) is three days before the eggs hatch! I’ve got a pretty good log going for when the hen comes and goes but I am not going to take a chance on trying to effect a repair during the times when she is away. Anyway, it’s not a total failure as the camera is still returning the audio but it’s somewhat compromised. I believe hatchlings will jump out within about 24 hours of hatching. My question is whether anyone knows if they are capable of “peeping” within that first 24 hours? The timing is right and I THINK I may have heard light “peeps” this morning between six and eight AM and nothing since. Maybe they’re resting and will leap out tomorrow morning? Or I may have been hearing other birds in the distance over the noisy camera audio channel. Thoughts?
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Date: 6/14/20 6:15 pm From: Janet Hinshaw <jhinshaw...> Subject: Re: [birders] Audio from Stony Creek
During the years when I was collecting the remains of the peregrine kills
from the UM Bell Tower, cuckoos were one of the most common birds found.
They must be quite common but they are secretive, so people don't often see
them. The only thing I could figure was that they must fly over the canopy
and be easy for the peregrines to catch. (The other most common remains
were woodcock in the spring, and virginia and sora rails).
Janet Hinshaw, Librarian ph: 734-764-0457
Wilson Ornithological Society fax: 734-998-0038
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Date: 6/14/20 4:07 pm From: Susan Hansen <rshansen50...> Subject: Re: [birders] Audio from Stony Creek
What a delight! The bird is new to me, too.
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Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2020 5:51 PM
To: Curt Hofer <curthofer...>
Cc: Mike Goethe <michael.goethe...>; Fred Kaluza <fkaluza...>; 'Mike Sefton' via Birders <birders...>
Subject: Re: [birders] Audio from Stony Creek
Are they increasing in number? Had one in my yard today for first time and have found a couple more this year.
Joan Lutovsky
On Sun, Jun 14, 2020, 6:40 PM Curt Hofer <curthofer...><mailto:<curthofer...>> wrote:
Yes. Yellow-billed Cuckoo. Nice bird!
Sounds like a Yellow-billed Cuckoo to me. Been hearing one at Wolcott Mill Metropark during the last week too.
On Sun, Jun 14, 2020, 5:48 PM Fred Kaluza <fkaluza...><mailto:<fkaluza...>> wrote:
Just recorded this and it’s new to me. After calling from one location, it moved without us noticing to another spot 100 yards away and resumed calling. Sounds like pretty good-sized lungs to me.
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Date: 6/14/20 3:40 pm From: Curt Hofer <curthofer...> Subject: Re: [birders] Audio from Stony Creek
Yes. Yellow-billed Cuckoo. Nice bird!
Curt Hofer
> On Jun 14, 2020, at 5:57 PM, Mike Goethe <michael.goethe...> wrote:
>
>
> Sounds like a Yellow-billed Cuckoo to me. Been hearing one at Wolcott Mill Metropark during the last week too.
>
>> On Sun, Jun 14, 2020, 5:48 PM Fred Kaluza <fkaluza...> wrote:
>> Just recorded this and it’s new to me. After calling from one location, it moved without us noticing to another spot 100 yards away and resumed calling. Sounds like pretty good-sized lungs to me.
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Date: 6/14/20 2:48 pm From: Fred Kaluza <fkaluza...> Subject: [birders] Audio from Stony Creek
Just recorded this and it’s new to me. After calling from one location, it moved without us noticing to another spot 100 yards away and resumed calling. Sounds like pretty good-sized lungs to me.
Date: 6/14/20 10:43 am From: Fred Kaluza <fkaluza...> Subject: [birders] Wood Duck Info Needed
Wouldn’t you know it...the little nest box cam that’s been running reliably for about three years failed about (what I think) is three days before the eggs hatch! I’ve got a pretty good log going for when the hen comes and goes but I am not going to take a chance on trying to effect a repair during the times when she is away. Anyway, it’s not a total failure as the camera is still returning the audio but it’s somewhat compromised. I believe hatchlings will jump out within about 24 hours of hatching. My question is whether anyone knows if they are capable of “peeping” within that first 24 hours? The timing is right and I THINK I may have heard light “peeps” this morning between six and eight AM and nothing since. Maybe they’re resting and will leap out tomorrow morning? Or I may have been hearing other birds in the distance over the noisy camera audio channel. Thoughts?
Date: 6/13/20 11:05 am From: 'Mike Sefton' via Birders <birders...> Subject: [birders] Non-bird: Attacks on Bird Protections | New Bipartisan Climate Bill
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Date: 6/12/20 7:20 pm From: Susan MIller <smiller179...> Subject: [birders] bobolink in Lodi twp
This afternoon and yesterday as well, I heard a bobolink singing persistently in long grass that’s resulted from a no-mow response to COVID. Heard by Knox Episcopal Church, Lodi Twp. (Wagner Road) I’ve never heard a bobolink in this location. Savannah sparrows, common yellowthroats and yellow warblers as well. Barn and rough-winged swallows.
Susan Miller
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Date: 6/11/20 4:12 pm From: Allen Chartier <amazilia3...> Subject: [birders] Spring Bird Banding blog updated
Birders and Banders,
It was a challenging spring season for bird banding, but we managed to get through it safely, and with a near-normal number of days covered, even though we had to reduce the number of nets we opened because of the high water levels in the park. I have updated my blog with details and photo highlights from the last two banding days in the first week of June. Go to this page:
I just had my first one at Delhi MetroPark outside of Ann Arbor. —mike
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> Just had a Monarch butterfly pass thru the wildflower garden. It didn't linger. I did not see it deposit any eggs. Maybe a male? Wasn't close enough to id.
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Just had a Monarch butterfly pass thru the wildflower garden. It didn't linger. I did not see it deposit any eggs. Maybe a male? Wasn't close enough to id.
Date: 6/10/20 5:38 pm From: outfresh via Birders <birders...> Subject: [birders] Fwd: Help us improve outdoor recreation in Michigan by taking survey
Fellow birders and outdoor lovers:Please consider taking a few minutes to fill out this DNR survey. Basically, hunting and fishing support is dropping as the major funding for outdoor recreation.Now is the time for birders to step up and express their appreciation for the conservation of natural habitats. I urge you to do so ........
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