Date: 8/20/18 9:56 am From: Jack Smiley <jackrsmiley...> Subject: Re: [birders] Mulberry Trees Revisited (Mulberry Redux)
Thank you to all who responded to my Mulberry tree birding post this past
week, both on and off-list. It’s always nice to get feedback from other
birders.
Thanks, too, to Larry for reminding us about the importance of using native
plantings in our landscapes. I almost mentioned something about that in my
post but neglected to do so. Unfortunately, with all of the hybridization,
I’m not sure that I’d recognize a native Mulberry tree if I saw one. At
least the non-native Mulberry trees aren’t as invasive as, say, buckthorn,
autumn olive or phragmites. Still, I’m sure that they have an impact.
Thanks, again, and keep on birding!
Jack Smiley
On Thu, Aug 16, 2018 at 12:29 PM, Larry Nooden <ldnum...> wrote:
> Sally has picked up on an important point that I missed.
>
> Just enjoying the beauty and wonder of wildlife even if it is not 100%
> natural (is there any of this left?). It is too easy to get buried in the
> science (which I also find a wonder in itself) and lose track of the
> spiritual.
>
> Nonetheless, it is important to try to preserve/restore what we can of the
> natural web of life, and Jack has accomplished more of that than any of us
> can hope to do.
>
> For my part, In the process of doing a native oak savanna restoration, I
> have had to deal with conservation genetics and the web of life, but I now
> see that all the interactions are beyond the capacity of the human mind to
> integrate simultaneously. Still, there is a beauty in it.
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 4:00 PM, Sally K. Scheer <
> <winerat...> wrote:
>
>> Oh Jack his was wonderful to read. Your lawn is just like mine I think,.
>> And we have a huge mulberry tree that is also very popular with the birds.
>> Who cares if it’s messy?? No gasoline is wasted and not fumes are generated
>> and many birds are fed because we don’t mow the side or back yards at all.
>> Thank goodness Bridgewater Township doesn’t come around measuring the
>> height of our grass and demanding that we but it.
>>
>> The flock of turkeys that used to show up every so often has moved to
>> deeper cover in our wild land out back by the river. We once had what
>> someone on this list said was the Washtenaw County record count of wild
>> turkeys at 106. I counted them all as they paraded across our cropland
>> toward another wild section that is now part of the Washtenaw County
>> Riverbend
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Jack Smiley [mailto:<jackrsmiley...>]
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 14, 2018 8:36 PM
>> *To:* birders Birders
>> *Subject:* [birders] Mulberry Trees Revisited (Mulberry Redux)
>>
>>
>>
>> Only a few berries remain on the two Mulberry trees in my back yard. I’m
>> surprised that they lasted this long as most of the Mulberry trees that I
>> have seen elsewhere lost their berries long ago. Perhaps I have a special
>> local genotype. : )
>>
>>
>>
>> Like the berries, the birds are now few and far between. I was inspired
>> by earlier posts to this list (what a great idea!) to try to keep track of
>> the various species which visited my two Mulberry trees. I found it to be
>> a very interesting experience and am inclined to plant more Mulberry trees
>> on my property—they are very good at attracting birds!
>>
>>
>>
>> I started paying more attention to the Mulberry trees back on July 18th
>> when the trees were full of ripe berries. Robins were the most prevalent
>> birds and they were easy to spot as they rather clumsily hopped from branch
>> to swaying branch. Others birds were more difficult to observe since many
>> flew into the trees before I had a chance to really see them. Since my
>> trees are over half the length of a football field away from my house,
>> unless I was watching the trees directly it was easy to miss the comings
>> and goings of some birds. Still, a few did venture to the outer branches
>> which allowed for some very good looks.
>>
>>
>>
>> Eastern Kingbirds tended to put on the most acrobatic displays. They
>> would oftentimes sit on a lower branch and then fly up to a higher branch
>> to grasp a berry, only to return to their perch as if they had just grabbed
>> an insect out of the air. Sometimes they would fly off with their prize to
>> another location and at other times, seemingly with practice over, they
>> would simply sit on a branch and grab the berries nearest to them.
>>
>>
>>
>> The last birds to regularly visit the Mulberry trees these past few days
>> were Bluebirds and Goldfinches. The Bluebirds have been very good parents
>> this year as they’re now raising their second brood. I suppose the
>> fledglings appreciated a sweet treat every now and then in between their
>> healthy helpings of grasshoppers, katydids and other insects.
>>
>>
>>
>> All in all, it was a very colorful array of birds which visited the
>> Mulberry trees, including:
>>
>>
>>
>> E. Kingbird
>>
>> Downy Woodpecker
>>
>> E. Towhee
>>
>> Am. Robin
>>
>> E. Bluebird
>>
>> Goldfinch
>>
>> Blue Jay
>>
>> N. Cardinal
>>
>> Cedar Waxwing
>>
>> N. Catbird
>>
>> Baltimore Oriole
>>
>> Black-capped Chickadee
>>
>> N. Flicker
>>
>> Red-bellied Woodpecker
>>
>> Red-breasted Grosbeak
>>
>> Blue-gray Gnatcatcher
>>
>>
>>
>> I also had a number of birds which were nearby, but I didn’t actually see
>> them in the trees eating berries. I’m 80% sure that an Indigo Bunting flew
>> out of one of the trees—back into the woods behind them—but I didn’t count
>> that as I wasn’t 100% sure due to the poor lighting. However, I did see
>> one fly to the base of the trees, as did Song and Chipping Sparrows, but
>> since my lawn is not of the manicured variety, I couldn’t see if they were
>> eating berries on the ground from my vantage point.
>>
>>
>>
>> Other birds heard and seen nearby included House and Carolina Wrens,
>> White-breasted Nuthatches, a Yellow-billed Cuckoo and Wild Turkeys. I had
>> hoped, with no luck, to see them land in the trees. The flock of Wild
>> Turkeys noisily roosted in the trees right behind the Mulberry trees this
>> past Saturday evening. On Sunday morning, while I was sitting quietly in
>> the back yard closer to the trees, 14 of them (mostly juvenile) marched in
>> a straight line by the Mulberry trees. I was hoping that they’d stop for a
>> meal, but one of them saw me and an alert was sounded. They kept on
>> marching, crouched low to the ground, back into the woods.
>>
>>
>>
>> It was nice to confirm that at least 16 species enjoyed a meal in my
>> Mulberry trees. I think I’ll do this again next year.
>>
>>
>>
>> Jack Smiley
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *"It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see."*
>>
>> - Henry David Thoreau
>>
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Date: 8/20/18 2:48 am From: Phil Bugosh <peb729...> Subject: [birders] Upcoming Oakland Audubon Society Events
Summer Night Symphony Walk Bald Mountain. Friday, August 24, 2018
7:00pm-9:00pm. Leader: Kathleen Dougherty (<kad8186...>)
Investigate the sounds of summer that grow louder as the sun sets. Insect
populations peek near the end of the summer as katydids, crickets and
grasshoppers create the unique sounds that we hear. Take an evening hike as
the sun sets to see some of the often-unseen members of the summer night
symphony. Meet at the Bald Mountain Parking lot on Kern Road in Lake Orion.
A Michigan State Park Recreation Passport is required. A great event for
young birders as well. For further details contact Kathleen Dougherty at
<kad8186...>
Highland Oaks. Saturday, September 1, 2018 8:00am-12:00pm. Leader: Dave
Frye (<kestrel11dcf...>)
Meet in the north parking area (Milford Road, one mile north of White Lake
Road) and explore Highland Oaks County Park (an Oakland County car pass
will be needed). The park is an interesting area with several distinct
habitats.
Nuthatch Open. Saturday, September 8, 2018 12:00am-4:00pm. Leader: Jeff
Stacey (<jdstacey...>)
Oakland Audubon’s annual competitive birding event. Find as many species as
possible anywhere in Oakland County until 4:00 PM and then meet at Indian
Springs Metropark for an awards presentation and a cookout. An entrance fee
and Metroparks pass is required. Proceeds go to our young birders program.
See our website for a registration form and additional information.
Please see our website for details about upcoming events. You do not have
to be a member to participate. http://www.oaklandaudubon.org/
Birders,
See the link below to Tex Wells obituary, written by his good friend Glenn Belyea.
A note regarding Tex’s World War Two service. He told several of us that he flew a C-47 towing a glider filled with troops across the English Channel the night before the Allied invasion on June 6, 1944.
A great birder, and a member of the greatest generation.
Mike Sefton
Ann Arbor
Be nice to have a birders get together though at a fall birding location to honor and appreciate him. Great man, I just heard the news. Sorry to hear of his passing. Always kind, always helpful, a real pioneer and ambassador of the what we enjoy in the field.
Ed Lewandowski
Sent from my iPhone
> On Aug 16, 2018, at 9:35 AM, 'Parula100' via Birders <birders...> wrote: > > Very sad news. He was one of a kind. > > Darlene Friedman > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Aug 16, 2018, at 9:02 AM, Jerry Jourdan <jerry.jourdan...> wrote: >> >> Sad to hear. Michigan has lost a legend. Rest in Peace, Tex. >> >> Jerry >> >>> On Thu, Aug 16, 2018 at 9:01 AM <dsbachman...> wrote: >>> All, >>> Long time Washtenaw Co. Resident and avid birder Tex Wells has passed. He was 96. His ashes are to be spread in one of his favorite birding spots, Sabine Woods, TX. No service is being held. >>> Take care, Sean >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> -- >>> Birders is a service of the Great Lakes Commission. Visit us at www.glc.org >>> --- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Birders" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to birders+<unsubscribe...> >>> To post to this group, send email to <birders...> >>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/a/great-lakes.net/group/birders/. >>> To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/a/great-lakes.net/d/msgid/birders/<120B7147-56EF-491D-8F46-BB11AE473A53...> >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/a/great-lakes.net/d/optout. >> >> -- >> Birders is a service of the Great Lakes Commission. Visit us at www.glc.org >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Birders" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to birders+<unsubscribe...> >> To post to this group, send email to <birders...> >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/a/great-lakes.net/group/birders/. >> To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/a/great-lakes.net/d/msgid/birders/CALajyVR5dEpMHiPfsn9%<3D1TQ9UGRZymz-q02GqVjLoguiVyJn5A...> >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/a/great-lakes.net/d/optout. > > -- > Birders is a service of the Great Lakes Commission. Visit us at www.glc.org > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Birders" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to birders+<unsubscribe...> > To post to this group, send email to <birders...> > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/a/great-lakes.net/group/birders/. > To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/a/great-lakes.net/d/msgid/birders/<F89F7290-724D-429D-9B4D-6D322E45B79C...> > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/a/great-lakes.net/d/optout.
Date: 8/18/18 4:46 am From: Catherine Carroll <songsparrow...> Subject: Re: [birders] The late Tex's March 1975 Trip Report to Crane Creek--Ottawa NWR
Another Tex to a T! Thanks Mark.
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From: "Mark W" <markwloch72...>
To: "Juliet Berger" <juliet.berger...>
Cc: <birders...>
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 9:09:00 PM
Subject: Re: [birders] The late Tex's March 1975 Trip Report to Crane Creek--Ottawa NWR
I'm not one to save posts to birders in an archive folder, in fact I only have one saved post from the past. It was Tex's brief report of a Washtenaw County Rufous Hummingbird. It gave me a chuckle at the time.... .
-----Original Message-----
From: texwells < <texwells...> >
To: birders < <birders...> >
Sent: Fri, Nov 29, 2013 7:25 pm
Subject: [birders] Rufous Hummer, Ann Arbor-yes
I arrived at ------- Whippoorwill Lane at 2:43 pm today and the bird showed up at the feeder at the house next door at 3:27 pm. It fed for perhaps a minute, then disappeared. I disappeared a couple of minutes later.
Tex Wells
Mark Wloch
On Thu, Aug 16, 2018 at 1:36 PM, Juliet Berger < <juliet.berger...> > wrote:
Birders are known for our dry sense of humor about birding, a somewhat humorous hobby. Tex was masterful at the art of writing silly reports about birding outings, without cracking a smile. Below is an example of his writing, circa 1975, after a nasty, cold trip to Magee Marsh, then known as Crane Creek. We mourn our oldest Washtenaw Audubon member's death today. We'll miss you, Tex!
Juliet Berger
President, Washtenaw Audubon Society
Date: 8/18/18 2:31 am From: Phil Bugosh <peb729...> Subject: [birders] Reminder: OAS Field Trip - Sunday, August 19
August 19, 2018 - Sunday 7:00 AM – 2:00 PM. Ottawa NWR. Leader: Jim Koppin (
<jimmykoppin...>)
We will drive the auto-tour through the refuge and explore other locations
in this bird rich area of northern Ohio. Shorebirds and waders will be our
targets. Meet at the MDOT lot in the northwest corner of the Meijer parking
lot at 8 mile and Haggerty. We will carpool from there at 7 AM sharp.
Everyone is welcome.
Please see our website for details about upcoming events. You do not have
to be a member to participate. http://www.oaklandaudubon.org/
Thank you,
Phil Bugosh
Oakland Audubon Society - Celebrating 60 Years!
Date: 8/17/18 7:46 pm From: Juliet Berger <juliet.berger...> Subject: [birders] Re: Washtenaw Audubon and City of Ann Arbor Natural Area Preservation Swift Nights Out Report
ps Chimney Swifts are a common species in steep decline due to habitat loss and other issues.
On Fri, Aug 17, 2018 at 9:48 PM Juliet Berger <juliet.berger...> wrote:
Date: 8/17/18 6:48 pm From: Juliet Berger <juliet.berger...> Subject: [birders] Washtenaw Audubon and City of Ann Arbor Natural Area Preservation Swift Nights Out Report
Birders, Many of us are counting Chimney Swifts this weekend in Washtenaw County. If you know of a roost in your area, you can count them at dusk and report them to me at <NAPbirds...> or <president...> eBird your results, too. After I've gathered the count results, I'll share them with Michigan Audubon, who are keeping track of Chimney Swift roosts in the State. You can also sign up, using this Signup Genius, if you need suggestions about where to go to count. If you are already signed up, be sure to report your birds to me!! https://www.signupgenius.com/go/4090d4fa5a72ca75-swift1
Date: 8/17/18 6:09 pm From: Mark W <markwloch72...> Subject: Re: [birders] The late Tex's March 1975 Trip Report to Crane Creek--Ottawa NWR
I'm not one to save posts to birders in an archive folder, in fact I only have one saved post from the past. It was Tex's brief report of a Washtenaw County Rufous Hummingbird. It gave me a chuckle at the time.....
-----Original Message----- From: texwells <texwells...> To: birders <birders...> Sent: Fri, Nov 29, 2013 7:25 pm Subject: [birders] Rufous Hummer, Ann Arbor-yes
I arrived at ------- Whippoorwill Lane at 2:43 pm today and the bird showed up at the feeder at the house next door at 3:27 pm. It fed for perhaps a minute, then disappeared. I disappeared a couple of minutes later.
Tex Wells
Mark Wloch
On Thu, Aug 16, 2018 at 1:36 PM, Juliet Berger <juliet.berger...> wrote:
> Birders are known for our dry sense of humor about birding, a somewhat > humorous hobby. Tex was masterful at the art of writing silly reports > about birding outings, without cracking a smile. Below is an example of > his writing, circa 1975, after a nasty, cold trip to Magee Marsh, then > known as Crane Creek. We mourn our oldest Washtenaw Audubon member's death > today. We'll miss you, Tex! > > Juliet Berger > President, Washtenaw Audubon Society > > > > -- > Birders is a service of the Great Lakes Commission. Visit us at > www.glc.org > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Birders" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to birders+<unsubscribe...> > To post to this group, send email to <birders...> > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/a/ > great-lakes.net/group/birders/. > To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/a/ > great-lakes.net/d/msgid/birders/CABVs24L1GHT7Lt8PMDdDsdq- > <wwYVBocCbLSNVth8GWgwr39tYw...> > <https://groups.google.com/a/great-lakes.net/d/msgid/birders/<CABVs24L1GHT7Lt8PMDdDsdq-wwYVBocCbLSNVth8GWgwr39tYw...>?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/a/ > great-lakes.net/d/optout. >
Date: 8/17/18 9:38 am From: Jeannine Morrison <meadowlark1949...> Subject: Re: [birders] Birdsound ID - fledge? Odd catbird?
The high pitched sound at the beginning sounds like a red squirrel. I have several coming to my yard for sunflower seeds and peanuts. Jeannine Morrison, northeast Ann Arbor.
On Fri, Aug 17, 2018 at 11:34 AM, Bob Bethune <bobbethune...> wrote:
> I recorded this sound today by Gregory State Game Area, in an area of > oak-maple woods full of drips from last night's rain. > > At the beginning of the file you'll hear very high-pitched twittering > along with rattle-y sounds like a squirrel. The twittering goes away and > the rattle-y sounds become more birdlike, reminding me of the rattle of a > catbird but without the mewing that a catbird would usually do along with > it. > > Here's the URL: https://drive.google.com/open?id=16wVDwo4bULx8TwSMk- > 6b8VgqeOzHtvLT > > Anybody recognize this? > > By the way, just for the record, I'm only looking for help on about 10% of > my recordings these days. I'm trainable! > > Bob > > -- > Birders is a service of the Great Lakes Commission. Visit us at > www.glc.org > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Birders" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to birders+<unsubscribe...> > To post to this group, send email to <birders...> > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/a/ > great-lakes.net/group/birders/. > To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/a/ > great-lakes.net/d/msgid/birders/CAHsrc%2BnVoeC8oscaCRCcZvVbBu6Xen3h1D > <FrGW8JeViiVkgfiA...> > <https://groups.google.com/a/great-lakes.net/d/msgid/birders/CAHsrc%<2BnVoeC8oscaCRCcZvVbBu6Xen3h1DFrGW8JeViiVkgfiA...>?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/a/ > great-lakes.net/d/optout. >
Date: 8/17/18 8:34 am From: Bob Bethune <bobbethune...> Subject: [birders] Birdsound ID - fledge? Odd catbird?
I recorded this sound today by Gregory State Game Area, in an area of oak-maple woods full of drips from last night's rain.
At the beginning of the file you'll hear very high-pitched twittering along with rattle-y sounds like a squirrel. The twittering goes away and the rattle-y sounds become more birdlike, reminding me of the rattle of a catbird but without the mewing that a catbird would usually do along with it.
Date: 8/16/18 7:15 pm From: Catherine Carroll <songsparrow...> Subject: Re: [birders] The late Tex's March 1975 Trip Report to Crane Creek--Ottawa NWR
After I made that last reply I thought of a Tex memory that I hope I'll never forget. I didn't know Tex nearly as well as many reading this list, but there was a brief period of time - maybe about 9-10 years ago so he would have been around 86 or 87 then - when I got to hang out with him occasionally and got to know him a little.
Tex wanted to get a good start on his Michigan year list ("seen birds only; no heard birds" because he couldn't hear) and he had several targets in mind that could be seen on Lathe Claflin's and Gary Siegrist's February Soo trip that year. He didn't feel he could make the drive all the way to the Soo and back by himself so he enlisted me as the driver of his car for the trip. "Don't worry, I'll pay for the gas, the motel, everything." When I protested that he didn't need to pay for my motel room, etc., he replied, "Why not? After all, I'm not saving for the future anymore." I cracked up.
That droll, wicked, spontaneous sense of humor was classic Tex - just as was his 1975 field trip report.
Cathy Carroll
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From: "Juliet Berger" <juliet.berger...>
To: <birders...>
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 1:36:37 PM
Subject: [birders] The late Tex's March 1975 Trip Report to Crane Creek--Ottawa NWR
Birders are known for our dry sense of humor about birding, a somewhat humorous hobby. Tex was masterful at the art of writing silly reports about birding outings, without cracking a smile. Below is an example of his writing, circa 1975, after a nasty, cold trip to Magee Marsh, then known as Crane Creek. We mourn our oldest Washtenaw Audubon member's death today. We'll miss you, Tex!
Juliet Berger
President, Washtenaw Audubon Society
Date: 8/16/18 6:49 pm From: Catherine Carroll <songsparrow...> Subject: Re: [birders] The late Tex's March 1975 Trip Report to Crane Creek--Ottawa NWR
Wow, Tex Wells to a T!
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From: "Juliet Berger" <juliet.berger...>
To: <birders...>
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 1:36:37 PM
Subject: [birders] The late Tex's March 1975 Trip Report to Crane Creek--Ottawa NWR
Birders are known for our dry sense of humor about birding, a somewhat humorous hobby. Tex was masterful at the art of writing silly reports about birding outings, without cracking a smile. Below is an example of his writing, circa 1975, after a nasty, cold trip to Magee Marsh, then known as Crane Creek. We mourn our oldest Washtenaw Audubon member's death today. We'll miss you, Tex!
Juliet Berger
President, Washtenaw Audubon Society
Date: 8/16/18 5:06 pm From: Allen Chartier <amazilia3...> Subject: [birders] Blog update - Day 3 of July Peru trip
For those who are interested, I have gotten through the 1000+ photos I took on July 10, and have posted highlights (75 photos) and narrative from the 3rd day of the hummingbird photography tour I took last month.
I think you probably just had some incredibly ironic timing. Your reinstallation and new checklist coincided with their massive annual checklist update, so there were data oddities everywhere in the world (and some still occurring). It’s an annual update to conform with new taxonomic pronouncements and involves their computer server running data analysis routines on tens of millions of records, and likely having multiple steps.
The good part of it is that once it’s done, there’s very little the end user needs to do. Until all the routines are finished eBird web and mobile may have some odd behavior, but it’s a small price to pay to keep up with taxonomic changes, I think.
> On Aug 16, 2018, at 3:24 PM, madxofaa <madxofaa...> wrote:
>
> This is a follow-up to what appeared to be the force field around Oakland County for my eBird checklists.
>
> On August 3rd, after creating, populating and submitting a checklist in my home county of Washtenaw, I made a rare trip to Oakland County. Over 4 hot-spots in the county I could select the hot-spot in eBird and set the starting time, but as soon as I hit start the phone app would shut down. Upon reopening I could see the empty checklist in my lists as "not submitted"; but selecting it would again shut down the app.
> However, and this is where it really becomes intriguing, at my last destination I could successfully create, populate and submit a checklist for Kensington Metropark (Livingston Co.), but not for the Kensington Metropark Nature Center in Oakland Co, even though they use the same parking lot and you can have one foot in Livingston and the other foot in Oakland County!!!!!
> Back at home over the following week, I tested other hot-spots in Oakland County only to be shut-out. I was able to successfully do checklists for Washtenaw and Jackson Counties.
>
> On August 14th I downloaded a routine eBird update for bug fixes that was in my Apple Store folder. Later that night I tried to open the empty checklists on my phone, and was successful. I was then able to enter the bird sightings and submit for the one remaining hot-spot that I did not load via laptop.
>
> I have asked the eBird technical team about this anomaly for Oakland County that apparently only I had. Perhaps they can use this as an exam question for programer applicants.
>
> Thought you might get a kick out of this Twilight Zone episode of mine.
> ..Bob Maddox
>
>
> On Sun, Aug 5, 2018 at 1:19 PM, Bob Bethune <bobbethune...> <mailto:<bobbethune...>> wrote:
> Before you uninstall and reinstall the app, go onto the website with a real computer and make sure your personal locations list is the way you want it. The app will re-download that after you reinstall it. All of your checklists will still be accesible on the eBird website. The only checklists stored locally on a phone are copies of the checklists submitted from that phone. All of those checklists, plus any checklists submitted by any other means, are on the bird website.
>
>
> On Saturday, August 4, 2018, madxofaa <madxofaa...> <mailto:<madxofaa...>> wrote:
> Has anyone had problems with the eBird app on their phone?
> Starting yesterday (08/03), after successfully creating and entering birds in a checklist, I was no longer able to make checklists (with one exception).
> I could select a Hotspot or personal location and designate the starting time, but as soon as I clicked on "Start New Checklist" the app shuts down.
> By re-opening the app I can see the checklists in My Checklists as "Not Submitted"; but if I select one the app shuts down again.
> Though I have been able to successfully create 2 checklists, I had several more attempts fail as I described above.
> I sent a note to the eBird app team but have yet to hear back.
> Rebooting the phone did not fix the problem.
> I don't know if removing and re-downloading the app on my phone removes the history that the phone app has.
> Looking for guidance.
> ..Bob Maddox
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This is a follow-up to what appeared to be the force field around Oakland County for my eBird checklists.
On August 3rd, after creating, populating and submitting a checklist in my home county of Washtenaw, I made a rare trip to Oakland County. Over 4 hot-spots in the county I could select the hot-spot in eBird and set the starting time, but as soon as I hit start the phone app would shut down. Upon reopening I could see the empty checklist in my lists as "not submitted"; but selecting it would again shut down the app. However, and this is where it really becomes intriguing, at my last destination I could successfully create, populate and submit a checklist for Kensington Metropark (Livingston Co.), but *not* for the Kensington Metropark Nature Center in Oakland Co, even though they use the same parking lot and you can have one foot in Livingston and the other foot in Oakland County!!!!! Back at home over the following week, I tested other hot-spots in Oakland County only to be shut-out. I was able to successfully do checklists for Washtenaw and Jackson Counties.
On August 14th I downloaded a routine eBird update for bug fixes that was in my Apple Store folder. Later that night I tried to open the empty checklists on my phone, and was successful. I was then able to enter the bird sightings and submit for the one remaining hot-spot that I did not load via laptop.
I have asked the eBird technical team about this anomaly for Oakland County that apparently only I had. Perhaps they can use this as an exam question for programer applicants.
Thought you might get a kick out of this Twilight Zone episode of mine. ..Bob Maddox
On Sun, Aug 5, 2018 at 1:19 PM, Bob Bethune <bobbethune...> wrote:
> Before you uninstall and reinstall the app, go onto the website with a > real computer and make sure your personal locations list is the way you > want it. The app will re-download that after you reinstall it. All of your > checklists will still be accesible on the eBird website. The only > checklists stored locally on a phone are copies of the checklists submitted > from that phone. All of those checklists, plus any checklists submitted by > any other means, are on the bird website. > > > On Saturday, August 4, 2018, madxofaa <madxofaa...> wrote: > >> Has anyone had problems with the eBird app on their phone? >> Starting yesterday (08/03), after successfully creating and entering >> birds in a checklist, I was no longer able to make checklists (with one >> exception). >> I could select a Hotspot or personal location and designate the starting >> time, but as soon as I clicked on "Start New Checklist" the app shuts down. >> By re-opening the app I can see the checklists in My Checklists as "Not >> Submitted"; but if I select one the app shuts down again. >> Though I have been able to successfully create 2 checklists, I had >> several more attempts fail as I described above. >> I sent a note to the eBird app team but have yet to hear back. >> Rebooting the phone did not fix the problem. >> I don't know if removing and re-downloading the app on my phone removes >> the history that the phone app has. >> Looking for guidance. >> ..Bob Maddox >> >> -- >> Birders is a service of the Great Lakes Commission. Visit us at >> www.glc.org >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Birders" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to birders+<unsubscribe...> >> To post to this group, send email to <birders...> >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/a/gr >> eat-lakes.net/group/birders/. >> To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/a/gr >> eat-lakes.net/d/msgid/birders/CACb80_fUywEinP366ZwEfE8t2PqXv >> c5HmW6uEcd5HB9wDiZ%<3DjA...> >> <https://groups.google.com/a/great-lakes.net/d/msgid/birders/CACb80_fUywEinP366ZwEfE8t2PqXvc5HmW6uEcd5HB9wDiZ%<3DjA...>?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >> . >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/a/gr >> eat-lakes.net/d/optout. >> >
Date: 8/16/18 11:58 am From: Curt Hofer <curthofer...> Subject: Re: [birders] The late Tex's March 1975 Trip Report to Crane Creek--Ottawa NWR
Thanks for sharing that gem, Juliet. That is the best trip report I have ever seen. Tex will be missed!
-----Original Message----- From: Juliet Berger Sent: Aug 16, 2018 1:36 PM To: "<birders...>" Subject: [birders] The late Tex's March 1975 Trip Report to Crane Creek--Ottawa NWR
Birders are known for our dry sense of humor about birding, a somewhat humorous hobby. Tex was masterful at the art of writing silly reports about birding outings, without cracking a smile. Below is an example of his writing, circa 1975, after a nasty, cold trip to Magee Marsh, then known as Crane Creek. We mourn our oldest Washtenaw Audubon member's death today. We'll miss you, Tex!
Date: 8/16/18 10:36 am From: Juliet Berger <juliet.berger...> Subject: [birders] The late Tex's March 1975 Trip Report to Crane Creek--Ottawa NWR
Birders are known for our dry sense of humor about birding, a somewhat humorous hobby. Tex was masterful at the art of writing silly reports about birding outings, without cracking a smile. Below is an example of his writing, circa 1975, after a nasty, cold trip to Magee Marsh, then known as Crane Creek. We mourn our oldest Washtenaw Audubon member's death today. We'll miss you, Tex!
Juliet Berger President, Washtenaw Audubon Society
Date: 8/16/18 10:04 am From: 'Mike Sefton' via Birders <birders...> Subject: [birders] Re: [se-mi-birdlist] Fwd: From the Newsletter: Tex Wells (from May/June 2017)
Birders,
The article on Tex Wells by Cathy Theisen from the Washtenaw Audubon Newsletter that I posted to Birders and the SE-Mich listservs contained two photos that may cause some confusion. The first photo shows a smiling, geezerly figure in an orange shirt walking towards the camera. That is Roger Wykes of Washtenaw Audubon, who is, thankfully, still very much alive and birding vigorously, being well beyond 200 species on his Washtenaw annual list for the year. The fuzzy figure in the background is, I believe, Tex. The second photo shows Tex on the left, with Lyle Hamilton and Loree Chalfant to his right.
Mike Sefton
Ann Arbor
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> On Aug 16, 2018, at 11:55 AM, 'Mike Sefton' via se-mi-birdlist <se-mi-birdlist...> wrote:
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
>> From: Nancy Davis <nancyellendavis...>
>>
>> Meet the Flock: Tex Wells
>> Tex Wells grew up as the oldest child in a family of three boys and one girl in Texas. Sadly, all of his siblings have pre-deceased him. He attended the University of Minnesota for both an undergraduate and a master’s degree in fisheries biology. He went on to study fish in the Great Lakes region, under the employ of the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, where he served for 36 years. He retired in 1998.
>>
>> He first became interested in birding after taking an Ornithology class at the University of Minnesota. He was an avid hunter, especially grouse, and made the natural transition into birding. He became active in Washtenaw Audubon Society over 50 years ago, upon the encouragement of a former Junior High School teacher (Vaden Miles). Vaden and University of Minnesota retired professor Dwayne Warner were his early mentors. At that time, birding was not yet a major hobby, so he is primarily self-taught—just heading out into the field with a guide to listen and learn. Pointe Pelee was a frequent destination for him then.
>>
>> While he has had many memorable birding experiences, he distinctly remembers marveling at all the tropical species on his first visit to Panama. His world life list now sits at 4237, and his ABA Area list is at 759.
>>
>> Here in Michigan, Tex holds the only state record accepted by the Michigan Bird Records Committee (MBRC) for a Reddish Egret, which was seen at Pointe Mouillee on August 3, 1981. He can also claim the Greater Prairie-Chicken for his state list, which was sadly extirpated in Michigan around 1981.
>>
>> When he was initially interviewed, Tex stated that he would love to get his State Bird #400, but he thought that was unlikely, due to his age (95 years young). Amazingly, in March 2017, he joined many other birders who made the journey to Flint, Michigan, for the Ivory Gull. We have only two other birders in Michigan who have achieved this 400 bird milestone. Adam Byrne was the first, and he now holds the state record of 409 species. One of Tex’s best birding buddies, Glenn Belyea, is next, with 405 species seen. Predictably, Tex’s most wanted birding experience is now bird #401 for his state list!
>>
>> His favorite birding spots are in Monroe County, especially Pte. Mouillee. His Monroe County list sits at 308.
>>
>> Tex feels the most pressing conservation issue for birds is habitat loss. He is a strong supporter of funding habitat restoration programs, and most recently contributed to the Whitefish Point Bird Observatory property expansion.
>>
>> He advises new birders to join birding groups, attend as many field trips as possible, and get involved. We all know birders are friendly folk eager to welcome others and share their knowledge.
>>
>>
>> <Tex looking at White Pelicans.JPG><Photo of Tex Wells.jpg>
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Date: 8/16/18 9:29 am From: Larry Nooden <ldnum...> Subject: Re: [birders] Mulberry Trees Revisited (Mulberry Redux)
Sally has picked up on an important point that I missed.
Just enjoying the beauty and wonder of wildlife even if it is not 100%
natural (is there any of this left?). It is too easy to get buried in the
science (which I also find a wonder in itself) and lose track of the
spiritual.
Nonetheless, it is important to try to preserve/restore what we can of the
natural web of life, and Jack has accomplished more of that than any of us
can hope to do.
For my part, In the process of doing a native oak savanna restoration, I
have had to deal with conservation genetics and the web of life, but I now
see that all the interactions are beyond the capacity of the human mind to
integrate simultaneously. Still, there is a beauty in it.
On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 4:00 PM, Sally K. Scheer <winerat...>
wrote:
> Oh Jack his was wonderful to read. Your lawn is just like mine I think,.
> And we have a huge mulberry tree that is also very popular with the birds.
> Who cares if it’s messy?? No gasoline is wasted and not fumes are generated
> and many birds are fed because we don’t mow the side or back yards at all.
> Thank goodness Bridgewater Township doesn’t come around measuring the
> height of our grass and demanding that we but it.
>
> The flock of turkeys that used to show up every so often has moved to
> deeper cover in our wild land out back by the river. We once had what
> someone on this list said was the Washtenaw County record count of wild
> turkeys at 106. I counted them all as they paraded across our cropland
> toward another wild section that is now part of the Washtenaw County
> Riverbend
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Jack Smiley [mailto:<jackrsmiley...>]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 14, 2018 8:36 PM
> *To:* birders Birders
> *Subject:* [birders] Mulberry Trees Revisited (Mulberry Redux)
>
>
>
> Only a few berries remain on the two Mulberry trees in my back yard. I’m
> surprised that they lasted this long as most of the Mulberry trees that I
> have seen elsewhere lost their berries long ago. Perhaps I have a special
> local genotype. : )
>
>
>
> Like the berries, the birds are now few and far between. I was inspired
> by earlier posts to this list (what a great idea!) to try to keep track of
> the various species which visited my two Mulberry trees. I found it to be
> a very interesting experience and am inclined to plant more Mulberry trees
> on my property—they are very good at attracting birds!
>
>
>
> I started paying more attention to the Mulberry trees back on July 18th
> when the trees were full of ripe berries. Robins were the most prevalent
> birds and they were easy to spot as they rather clumsily hopped from branch
> to swaying branch. Others birds were more difficult to observe since many
> flew into the trees before I had a chance to really see them. Since my
> trees are over half the length of a football field away from my house,
> unless I was watching the trees directly it was easy to miss the comings
> and goings of some birds. Still, a few did venture to the outer branches
> which allowed for some very good looks.
>
>
>
> Eastern Kingbirds tended to put on the most acrobatic displays. They
> would oftentimes sit on a lower branch and then fly up to a higher branch
> to grasp a berry, only to return to their perch as if they had just grabbed
> an insect out of the air. Sometimes they would fly off with their prize to
> another location and at other times, seemingly with practice over, they
> would simply sit on a branch and grab the berries nearest to them.
>
>
>
> The last birds to regularly visit the Mulberry trees these past few days
> were Bluebirds and Goldfinches. The Bluebirds have been very good parents
> this year as they’re now raising their second brood. I suppose the
> fledglings appreciated a sweet treat every now and then in between their
> healthy helpings of grasshoppers, katydids and other insects.
>
>
>
> All in all, it was a very colorful array of birds which visited the
> Mulberry trees, including:
>
>
>
> E. Kingbird
>
> Downy Woodpecker
>
> E. Towhee
>
> Am. Robin
>
> E. Bluebird
>
> Goldfinch
>
> Blue Jay
>
> N. Cardinal
>
> Cedar Waxwing
>
> N. Catbird
>
> Baltimore Oriole
>
> Black-capped Chickadee
>
> N. Flicker
>
> Red-bellied Woodpecker
>
> Red-breasted Grosbeak
>
> Blue-gray Gnatcatcher
>
>
>
> I also had a number of birds which were nearby, but I didn’t actually see
> them in the trees eating berries. I’m 80% sure that an Indigo Bunting flew
> out of one of the trees—back into the woods behind them—but I didn’t count
> that as I wasn’t 100% sure due to the poor lighting. However, I did see
> one fly to the base of the trees, as did Song and Chipping Sparrows, but
> since my lawn is not of the manicured variety, I couldn’t see if they were
> eating berries on the ground from my vantage point.
>
>
>
> Other birds heard and seen nearby included House and Carolina Wrens,
> White-breasted Nuthatches, a Yellow-billed Cuckoo and Wild Turkeys. I had
> hoped, with no luck, to see them land in the trees. The flock of Wild
> Turkeys noisily roosted in the trees right behind the Mulberry trees this
> past Saturday evening. On Sunday morning, while I was sitting quietly in
> the back yard closer to the trees, 14 of them (mostly juvenile) marched in
> a straight line by the Mulberry trees. I was hoping that they’d stop for a
> meal, but one of them saw me and an alert was sounded. They kept on
> marching, crouched low to the ground, back into the woods.
>
>
>
> It was nice to confirm that at least 16 species enjoyed a meal in my
> Mulberry trees. I think I’ll do this again next year.
>
>
>
> Jack Smiley
>
>
>
>
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>
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Date: 8/16/18 8:55 am From: 'Mike Sefton' via Birders <birders...> Subject: [birders] Fwd: From the Newsletter: Tex Wells (from May/June 2017)
Begin forwarded message:
> From: Nancy Davis <nancyellendavis...>
>
> Meet the Flock: Tex Wells
> Tex Wells grew up as the oldest child in a family of three boys and one girl in Texas. Sadly, all of his siblings have pre-deceased him. He attended the University of Minnesota for both an undergraduate and a master’s degree in fisheries biology. He went on to study fish in the Great Lakes region, under the employ of the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, where he served for 36 years. He retired in 1998.
>
> He first became interested in birding after taking an Ornithology class at the University of Minnesota. He was an avid hunter, especially grouse, and made the natural transition into birding. He became active in Washtenaw Audubon Society over 50 years ago, upon the encouragement of a former Junior High School teacher (Vaden Miles). Vaden and University of Minnesota retired professor Dwayne Warner were his early mentors. At that time, birding was not yet a major hobby, so he is primarily self-taught—just heading out into the field with a guide to listen and learn. Pointe Pelee was a frequent destination for him then.
>
> While he has had many memorable birding experiences, he distinctly remembers marveling at all the tropical species on his first visit to Panama. His world life list now sits at 4237, and his ABA Area list is at 759.
>
> Here in Michigan, Tex holds the only state record accepted by the Michigan Bird Records Committee (MBRC) for a Reddish Egret, which was seen at Pointe Mouillee on August 3, 1981. He can also claim the Greater Prairie-Chicken for his state list, which was sadly extirpated in Michigan around 1981.
>
> When he was initially interviewed, Tex stated that he would love to get his State Bird #400, but he thought that was unlikely, due to his age (95 years young). Amazingly, in March 2017, he joined many other birders who made the journey to Flint, Michigan, for the Ivory Gull. We have only two other birders in Michigan who have achieved this 400 bird milestone. Adam Byrne was the first, and he now holds the state record of 409 species. One of Tex’s best birding buddies, Glenn Belyea, is next, with 405 species seen. Predictably, Tex’s most wanted birding experience is now bird #401 for his state list!
>
> His favorite birding spots are in Monroe County, especially Pte. Mouillee. His Monroe County list sits at 308.
>
> Tex feels the most pressing conservation issue for birds is habitat loss. He is a strong supporter of funding habitat restoration programs, and most recently contributed to the Whitefish Point Bird Observatory property expansion.
>
> He advises new birders to join birding groups, attend as many field trips as possible, and get involved. We all know birders are friendly folk eager to welcome others and share their knowledge.
>
>
Date: 8/16/18 7:39 am From: Sally K. Scheer <winerat...> Subject: RE: [birders] Tex Wells
I did not know him, but every time a special person dies, a little bit of that person is left behind in all who were touched by that life. A fitting place for a birder’s memorial is indeed at Pte Mouillee but I would suggest that a monument is not as useful as a FUND that can be replenished in his name now and in the future would be more fitting and useful. I don’t know if a memorial fun already exists but surely others on this list would know.
From: Allen Chartier [mailto:<amazilia3...>]
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 9:43 AM
To: Parula100
Cc: Jerry Jourdan; Sean Bachman; <birders...>
Subject: Re: [birders] Tex Wells
Very sad to hear. I will miss his dry wit, which he still possessed last spring, which is the last time I saw him. Maybe we should look into some kind of memorial to him? Maybe at Pte. Mouillee?
On Thu, Aug 16, 2018, 9:35 AM 'Parula100' via Birders <birders...> wrote:
Very sad news. He was one of a kind.
Darlene Friedman
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 16, 2018, at 9:02 AM, Jerry Jourdan <jerry.jourdan...> wrote:
Sad to hear. Michigan has lost a legend. Rest in Peace, Tex.
Jerry
On Thu, Aug 16, 2018 at 9:01 AM <dsbachman...> wrote:
All,
Long time Washtenaw Co. Resident and avid birder Tex Wells has passed. He was 96. His ashes are to be spread in one of his favorite birding spots, Sabine Woods, TX. No service is being held.
Take care, Sean
Date: 8/16/18 6:42 am From: Allen Chartier <amazilia3...> Subject: Re: [birders] Tex Wells
Very sad to hear. I will miss his dry wit, which he still possessed last spring, which is the last time I saw him. Maybe we should look into some kind of memorial to him? Maybe at Pte. Mouillee?
Date: 8/16/18 6:35 am From: 'Parula100' via Birders <birders...> Subject: Re: [birders] Tex Wells
Very sad news. He was one of a kind.
Darlene Friedman
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> On Aug 16, 2018, at 9:02 AM, Jerry Jourdan <jerry.jourdan...> wrote: > > Sad to hear. Michigan has lost a legend. Rest in Peace, Tex. > > Jerry > >> On Thu, Aug 16, 2018 at 9:01 AM <dsbachman...> wrote: >> All, >> Long time Washtenaw Co. Resident and avid birder Tex Wells has passed. He was 96. His ashes are to be spread in one of his favorite birding spots, Sabine Woods, TX. No service is being held. >> Take care, Sean >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> -- >> Birders is a service of the Great Lakes Commission. Visit us at www.glc.org >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Birders" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to birders+<unsubscribe...> >> To post to this group, send email to <birders...> >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/a/great-lakes.net/group/birders/. >> To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/a/great-lakes.net/d/msgid/birders/<120B7147-56EF-491D-8F46-BB11AE473A53...> >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/a/great-lakes.net/d/optout. > > -- > Birders is a service of the Great Lakes Commission. Visit us at www.glc.org > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Birders" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to birders+<unsubscribe...> > To post to this group, send email to <birders...> > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/a/great-lakes.net/group/birders/. > To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/a/great-lakes.net/d/msgid/birders/CALajyVR5dEpMHiPfsn9%<3D1TQ9UGRZymz-q02GqVjLoguiVyJn5A...> > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/a/great-lakes.net/d/optout.
Date: 8/16/18 6:02 am From: Jerry Jourdan <jerry.jourdan...> Subject: Re: [birders] Tex Wells
Sad to hear. Michigan has lost a legend. Rest in Peace, Tex.
Jerry
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> All, > Long time Washtenaw Co. Resident and avid birder Tex Wells has passed. > He was 96. His ashes are to be spread in one of his favorite birding spots, > Sabine Woods, TX. No service is being held. > Take care, Sean > > Sent from my iPhone > > -- > Birders is a service of the Great Lakes Commission. Visit us at > www.glc.org > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Birders" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to birders+<unsubscribe...> > To post to this group, send email to <birders...> > Visit this group at > https://groups.google.com/a/great-lakes.net/group/birders/. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/a/great-lakes.net/d/msgid/birders/<120B7147-56EF-491D-8F46-BB11AE473A53...> > . > For more options, visit > https://groups.google.com/a/great-lakes.net/d/optout. >
Date: 8/16/18 6:01 am From: <dsbachman...> Subject: [birders] Tex Wells
All, Long time Washtenaw Co. Resident and avid birder Tex Wells has passed. He was 96. His ashes are to be spread in one of his favorite birding spots, Sabine Woods, TX. No service is being held. Take care, Sean
Date: 8/15/18 1:00 pm From: Sally K. Scheer <winerat...> Subject: RE: [birders] Mulberry Trees Revisited (Mulberry Redux)
Oh Jack his was wonderful to read. Your lawn is just like mine I think,. And we have a huge mulberry tree that is also very popular with the birds. Who cares if it’s messy?? No gasoline is wasted and not fumes are generated and many birds are fed because we don’t mow the side or back yards at all. Thank goodness Bridgewater Township doesn’t come around measuring the height of our grass and demanding that we but it.
The flock of turkeys that used to show up every so often has moved to deeper cover in our wild land out back by the river. We once had what someone on this list said was the Washtenaw County record count of wild turkeys at 106. I counted them all as they paraded across our cropland toward another wild section that is now part of the Washtenaw County Riverbend
From: Jack Smiley [mailto:<jackrsmiley...>]
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2018 8:36 PM
To: birders Birders
Subject: [birders] Mulberry Trees Revisited (Mulberry Redux)
Only a few berries remain on the two Mulberry trees in my back yard. I’m surprised that they lasted this long as most of the Mulberry trees that I have seen elsewhere lost their berries long ago. Perhaps I have a special local genotype. : )
Like the berries, the birds are now few and far between. I was inspired by earlier posts to this list (what a great idea!) to try to keep track of the various species which visited my two Mulberry trees. I found it to be a very interesting experience and am inclined to plant more Mulberry trees on my property—they are very good at attracting birds!
I started paying more attention to the Mulberry trees back on July 18th when the trees were full of ripe berries. Robins were the most prevalent birds and they were easy to spot as they rather clumsily hopped from branch to swaying branch. Others birds were more difficult to observe since many flew into the trees before I had a chance to really see them. Since my trees are over half the length of a football field away from my house, unless I was watching the trees directly it was easy to miss the comings and goings of some birds. Still, a few did venture to the outer branches which allowed for some very good looks.
Eastern Kingbirds tended to put on the most acrobatic displays. They would oftentimes sit on a lower branch and then fly up to a higher branch to grasp a berry, only to return to their perch as if they had just grabbed an insect out of the air. Sometimes they would fly off with their prize to another location and at other times, seemingly with practice over, they would simply sit on a branch and grab the berries nearest to them.
The last birds to regularly visit the Mulberry trees these past few days were Bluebirds and Goldfinches. The Bluebirds have been very good parents this year as they’re now raising their second brood. I suppose the fledglings appreciated a sweet treat every now and then in between their healthy helpings of grasshoppers, katydids and other insects.
All in all, it was a very colorful array of birds which visited the Mulberry trees, including:
E. Kingbird
Downy Woodpecker
E. Towhee
Am. Robin
E. Bluebird
Goldfinch
Blue Jay
N. Cardinal
Cedar Waxwing
N. Catbird
Baltimore Oriole
Black-capped Chickadee
N. Flicker
Red-bellied Woodpecker
Red-breasted Grosbeak
Blue-gray Gnatcatcher
I also had a number of birds which were nearby, but I didn’t actually see them in the trees eating berries. I’m 80% sure that an Indigo Bunting flew out of one of the trees—back into the woods behind them—but I didn’t count that as I wasn’t 100% sure due to the poor lighting. However, I did see one fly to the base of the trees, as did Song and Chipping Sparrows, but since my lawn is not of the manicured variety, I couldn’t see if they were eating berries on the ground from my vantage point.
Other birds heard and seen nearby included House and Carolina Wrens, White-breasted Nuthatches, a Yellow-billed Cuckoo and Wild Turkeys. I had hoped, with no luck, to see them land in the trees. The flock of Wild Turkeys noisily roosted in the trees right behind the Mulberry trees this past Saturday evening. On Sunday morning, while I was sitting quietly in the back yard closer to the trees, 14 of them (mostly juvenile) marched in a straight line by the Mulberry trees. I was hoping that they’d stop for a meal, but one of them saw me and an alert was sounded. They kept on marching, crouched low to the ground, back into the woods.
It was nice to confirm that at least 16 species enjoyed a meal in my Mulberry trees. I think I’ll do this again next year.
Jack Smiley
"It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see."
I recall that in the mid1970s farmers and conservationists were encouraged
to plant autumn olive, because the birds love it.
Farmers resisted, because the same voices had encouraged planting
multiflora rose (*Rosa multiflora*) a few years earlier.
In both cases, free plants were available.
Guess what happened? I watched all of the above become nuisances and have
spent a lot of time removing them.
There are 2 other aspects of white mulberry that warrant mention here:
1.) It is leading the extinction of red mulbeery (Morus rubra) though
introgressive hybridization (genetic swamping).
2.) Is there any harm in giving the birds what they love?
One could argue that it parallels the ongoing human healthcares discussion
about high sugar drinks.
I would say that it probably does cause an ecological imbalance
Is there a solution or compromise?
For those who must, I believe there are sterile (seedless) varieties of
white mulberry.
Does anyone know? :)
On Tue, Aug 14, 2018 at 9:15 PM, Tait, Mag <mtait...> wrote:
> Jack, thank you so much for sharing this. Birds have planted two mulberry
> trees in my yard which I have let grow. I have had several people tell me
> that I need to get rid of them because they are messy. Like you, I don’t
> have a manicured nor want to have a manicured yard.
> I am excited to have more plants in my yard that are good for wildlife.
> Your account has me looking forward to the trees growing!
> Mag
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Aug 14, 2018, at 8:36 PM, Jack Smiley <jackrsmiley...> wrote:
>
> Only a few berries remain on the two Mulberry trees in my back yard. I’m
> surprised that they lasted this long as most of the Mulberry trees that I
> have seen elsewhere lost their berries long ago. Perhaps I have a special
> local genotype. : )
>
>
> Like the berries, the birds are now few and far between. I was inspired
> by earlier posts to this list (what a great idea!) to try to keep track of
> the various species which visited my two Mulberry trees. I found it to be
> a very interesting experience and am inclined to plant more Mulberry trees
> on my property—they are very good at attracting birds!
>
>
> I started paying more attention to the Mulberry trees back on July 18th
> when the trees were full of ripe berries. Robins were the most prevalent
> birds and they were easy to spot as they rather clumsily hopped from branch
> to swaying branch. Others birds were more difficult to observe since many
> flew into the trees before I had a chance to really see them. Since my
> trees are over half the length of a football field away from my house,
> unless I was watching the trees directly it was easy to miss the comings
> and goings of some birds. Still, a few did venture to the outer branches
> which allowed for some very good looks.
>
>
> Eastern Kingbirds tended to put on the most acrobatic displays. They
> would oftentimes sit on a lower branch and then fly up to a higher branch
> to grasp a berry, only to return to their perch as if they had just grabbed
> an insect out of the air. Sometimes they would fly off with their prize to
> another location and at other times, seemingly with practice over, they
> would simply sit on a branch and grab the berries nearest to them.
>
>
> The last birds to regularly visit the Mulberry trees these past few days
> were Bluebirds and Goldfinches. The Bluebirds have been very good parents
> this year as they’re now raising their second brood. I suppose the
> fledglings appreciated a sweet treat every now and then in between their
> healthy helpings of grasshoppers, katydids and other insects.
>
>
> All in all, it was a very colorful array of birds which visited the
> Mulberry trees, including:
>
>
> E. Kingbird
>
> Downy Woodpecker
>
> E. Towhee
>
> Am. Robin
>
> E. Bluebird
>
> Goldfinch
>
> Blue Jay
>
> N. Cardinal
>
> Cedar Waxwing
>
> N. Catbird
>
> Baltimore Oriole
>
> Black-capped Chickadee
>
> N. Flicker
>
> Red-bellied Woodpecker
>
> Red-breasted Grosbeak
>
> Blue-gray Gnatcatcher
>
>
> I also had a number of birds which were nearby, but I didn’t actually see
> them in the trees eating berries. I’m 80% sure that an Indigo Bunting flew
> out of one of the trees—back into the woods behind them—but I didn’t count
> that as I wasn’t 100% sure due to the poor lighting. However, I did see
> one fly to the base of the trees, as did Song and Chipping Sparrows, but
> since my lawn is not of the manicured variety, I couldn’t see if they were
> eating berries on the ground from my vantage point.
>
>
> Other birds heard and seen nearby included House and Carolina Wrens,
> White-breasted Nuthatches, a Yellow-billed Cuckoo and Wild Turkeys. I had
> hoped, with no luck, to see them land in the trees. The flock of Wild
> Turkeys noisily roosted in the trees right behind the Mulberry trees this
> past Saturday evening. On Sunday morning, while I was sitting quietly in
> the back yard closer to the trees, 14 of them (mostly juvenile) marched in
> a straight line by the Mulberry trees. I was hoping that they’d stop for a
> meal, but one of them saw me and an alert was sounded. They kept on
> marching, crouched low to the ground, back into the woods.
>
>
> It was nice to confirm that at least 16 species enjoyed a meal in my
> Mulberry trees. I think I’ll do this again next year.
>
>
> Jack Smiley
>
>
>
> "It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see."
>
> - Henry David Thoreau
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Date: 8/15/18 5:32 am From: <baikalteal13...> <baikalteal13...> Subject: [birders] 7th Annual Nuthatch Open - Looking for Teams
Folks, Oakland Audubon will conduct its 7th Annual Nuthatch Open, a competitive (sort of) birding event on Saturday, September 8th. This event is a competition to see which team can see more species in one day in Oakland County. There are two divisions, Open and Youth. Details for the event are on the attached flyer/form. The main reason for this event is to raise funds in support of our Young Birders Club. The deadline for registration is September 6th. For some of us, it's an excuse to bird all day and then have a cookout at the end. For others, it's an outlet for birding at a high level. Overall, it's a fun event. And it's a fundraiser. Please consider participating. We usually get most teams from Oakland County but there are others that have entered from outside the county and have done very well. Take the challenge. It doesn't take much eBird research to know where the hotspots are. I hope to see some new teams this year, especially from surrounding counties. Thanks. Don Burlett
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Date: 8/14/18 9:21 pm From: Patricia Burden <tallerpat526...> Subject: [birders] Thanks for info about deceased birds
We have been informed that St. Clair County Community College in Port Huron will take them as will Pine River Nature Center (close to Port Huron in Goodells). However, I am going to make a list of the contacts that I was generously sent and distribute them to our Blue Water Audubon members. Thank you all! Pat Burden Melvin & Yale, MI
How did screech owls get their name? The obvious answer would be "because they screech". But they don't. They whinny and trill. Both sounds are much to pleasant to be called a screech, and you have to be really close to them to hear them at all.
One source said that screech owl is also an old name for a barn owl. Now they screech.
Jack, thank you so much for sharing this. Birds have planted two mulberry trees in my yard which I have let grow. I have had several people tell me that I need to get rid of them because they are messy. Like you, I don’t have a manicured nor want to have a manicured yard.
I am excited to have more plants in my yard that are good for wildlife. Your account has me looking forward to the trees growing!
Mag
Sent from my iPhone
Only a few berries remain on the two Mulberry trees in my back yard. I’m surprised that they lasted this long as most of the Mulberry trees that I have seen elsewhere lost their berries long ago. Perhaps I have a special local genotype. : )
Like the berries, the birds are now few and far between. I was inspired by earlier posts to this list (what a great idea!) to try to keep track of the various species which visited my two Mulberry trees. I found it to be a very interesting experience and am inclined to plant more Mulberry trees on my property—they are very good at attracting birds!
I started paying more attention to the Mulberry trees back on July 18th when the trees were full of ripe berries. Robins were the most prevalent birds and they were easy to spot as they rather clumsily hopped from branch to swaying branch. Others birds were more difficult to observe since many flew into the trees before I had a chance to really see them. Since my trees are over half the length of a football field away from my house, unless I was watching the trees directly it was easy to miss the comings and goings of some birds. Still, a few did venture to the outer branches which allowed for some very good looks.
Eastern Kingbirds tended to put on the most acrobatic displays. They would oftentimes sit on a lower branch and then fly up to a higher branch to grasp a berry, only to return to their perch as if they had just grabbed an insect out of the air. Sometimes they would fly off with their prize to another location and at other times, seemingly with practice over, they would simply sit on a branch and grab the berries nearest to them.
The last birds to regularly visit the Mulberry trees these past few days were Bluebirds and Goldfinches. The Bluebirds have been very good parents this year as they’re now raising their second brood. I suppose the fledglings appreciated a sweet treat every now and then in between their healthy helpings of grasshoppers, katydids and other insects.
All in all, it was a very colorful array of birds which visited the Mulberry trees, including:
E. Kingbird
Downy Woodpecker
E. Towhee
Am. Robin
E. Bluebird
Goldfinch
Blue Jay
N. Cardinal
Cedar Waxwing
N. Catbird
Baltimore Oriole
Black-capped Chickadee
N. Flicker
Red-bellied Woodpecker
Red-breasted Grosbeak
Blue-gray Gnatcatcher
I also had a number of birds which were nearby, but I didn’t actually see them in the trees eating berries. I’m 80% sure that an Indigo Bunting flew out of one of the trees—back into the woods behind them—but I didn’t count that as I wasn’t 100% sure due to the poor lighting. However, I did see one fly to the base of the trees, as did Song and Chipping Sparrows, but since my lawn is not of the manicured variety, I couldn’t see if they were eating berries on the ground from my vantage point.
Other birds heard and seen nearby included House and Carolina Wrens, White-breasted Nuthatches, a Yellow-billed Cuckoo and Wild Turkeys. I had hoped, with no luck, to see them land in the trees. The flock of Wild Turkeys noisily roosted in the trees right behind the Mulberry trees this past Saturday evening. On Sunday morning, while I was sitting quietly in the back yard closer to the trees, 14 of them (mostly juvenile) marched in a straight line by the Mulberry trees. I was hoping that they’d stop for a meal, but one of them saw me and an alert was sounded. They kept on marching, crouched low to the ground, back into the woods.
It was nice to confirm that at least 16 species enjoyed a meal in my Mulberry trees. I think I’ll do this again next year.
Jack Smiley
"It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see."
Date: 8/14/18 6:11 pm From: 'P. swanson' via Birders <birders...> Subject: Re: [birders] Any opinions on this butterfly.
Thanks, Roger. It’s nice to get a positive ID.
Penny
> On Aug 14, 2018, at 5:21 PM, Roger Kuhlman <rkuhlman...> wrote:
>
> Yes Penny you have a nice male Black Swallowtail there. The female Black Swallowtail is a little more obscure and can be confused with the Spicebush Swallowtail when not seen well.
>
> Roger Kuhlman
>
>
>
> From: 'P. swanson' via Birders <birders...>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2018 5:17 PM
> To: birders
> Subject: [birders] Any opinions on this butterfly.
>
> I had a hard time identifying this
> similar one. There is some red on the underside of the left hind wing. I think it’s a black swallowtail.
> Penny
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Date: 8/14/18 5:36 pm From: Jack Smiley <jackrsmiley...> Subject: [birders] Mulberry Trees Revisited (Mulberry Redux)
Only a few berries remain on the two Mulberry trees in my back yard. I’m
surprised that they lasted this long as most of the Mulberry trees that I
have seen elsewhere lost their berries long ago. Perhaps I have a special
local genotype. : )
Like the berries, the birds are now few and far between. I was inspired by
earlier posts to this list (what a great idea!) to try to keep track of the
various species which visited my two Mulberry trees. I found it to be a
very interesting experience and am inclined to plant more Mulberry trees on
my property—they are very good at attracting birds!
I started paying more attention to the Mulberry trees back on July 18th
when the trees were full of ripe berries. Robins were the most prevalent
birds and they were easy to spot as they rather clumsily hopped from branch
to swaying branch. Others birds were more difficult to observe since many
flew into the trees before I had a chance to really see them. Since my
trees are over half the length of a football field away from my house,
unless I was watching the trees directly it was easy to miss the comings
and goings of some birds. Still, a few did venture to the outer branches
which allowed for some very good looks.
Eastern Kingbirds tended to put on the most acrobatic displays. They would
oftentimes sit on a lower branch and then fly up to a higher branch to
grasp a berry, only to return to their perch as if they had just grabbed an
insect out of the air. Sometimes they would fly off with their prize to
another location and at other times, seemingly with practice over, they
would simply sit on a branch and grab the berries nearest to them.
The last birds to regularly visit the Mulberry trees these past few days
were Bluebirds and Goldfinches. The Bluebirds have been very good parents
this year as they’re now raising their second brood. I suppose the
fledglings appreciated a sweet treat every now and then in between their
healthy helpings of grasshoppers, katydids and other insects.
All in all, it was a very colorful array of birds which visited the
Mulberry trees, including:
E. Kingbird
Downy Woodpecker
E. Towhee
Am. Robin
E. Bluebird
Goldfinch
Blue Jay
N. Cardinal
Cedar Waxwing
N. Catbird
Baltimore Oriole
Black-capped Chickadee
N. Flicker
Red-bellied Woodpecker
Red-breasted Grosbeak
Blue-gray Gnatcatcher
I also had a number of birds which were nearby, but I didn’t actually see
them in the trees eating berries. I’m 80% sure that an Indigo Bunting flew
out of one of the trees—back into the woods behind them—but I didn’t count
that as I wasn’t 100% sure due to the poor lighting. However, I did see
one fly to the base of the trees, as did Song and Chipping Sparrows, but
since my lawn is not of the manicured variety, I couldn’t see if they were
eating berries on the ground from my vantage point.
Other birds heard and seen nearby included House and Carolina Wrens,
White-breasted Nuthatches, a Yellow-billed Cuckoo and Wild Turkeys. I had
hoped, with no luck, to see them land in the trees. The flock of Wild
Turkeys noisily roosted in the trees right behind the Mulberry trees this
past Saturday evening. On Sunday morning, while I was sitting quietly in
the back yard closer to the trees, 14 of them (mostly juvenile) marched in
a straight line by the Mulberry trees. I was hoping that they’d stop for a
meal, but one of them saw me and an alert was sounded. They kept on
marching, crouched low to the ground, back into the woods.
It was nice to confirm that at least 16 species enjoyed a meal in my
Mulberry trees. I think I’ll do this again next year.
Jack Smiley
"It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see."
While not close to Port Huron, University of Michigan’s Bird Museum would likely be interested. Perhaps you could freeze it until you get down this way? Or I would be happy to pick it up in October sometime when I head up your way for some fall birding.
Dea
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> On Aug 14, 2018, at 5:44 PM, Patricia Burden <tallerpat526...> wrote:
>
> I seem to remember that someone or an organization or school or
> wildlife center would take the bodies of birds, particularly
> songbirds, as long as they were intact and in good condition. I would
> appreciate it if someone could let me know the closest place to Port
> Huron that might be interested.
> Thank you.
> Pat Burden
> Melvin & Yale, MI
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I seem to remember that someone or an organization or school or wildlife center would take the bodies of birds, particularly songbirds, as long as they were intact and in good condition. I would appreciate it if someone could let me know the closest place to Port Huron that might be interested. Thank you. Pat Burden Melvin & Yale, MI
Date: 8/14/18 2:21 pm From: Roger Kuhlman <rkuhlman...> Subject: Re: [birders] Any opinions on this butterfly.
Yes Penny you have a nice male Black Swallowtail there. The female Black Swallowtail is a little more obscure and can be confused with the Spicebush Swallowtail when not seen well.
Roger Kuhlman
________________________________
From: 'P. swanson' via Birders <birders...>
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2018 5:17 PM
To: birders
Subject: [birders] Any opinions on this butterfly.
I had a hard time identifying this
similar one. There is some red on the underside of the left hind wing. I think it’s a black swallowtail.
Penny
Date: 8/14/18 1:14 pm From: Bob Bethune <bobbethune...> Subject: Re: [birders] Tiny little buzzy birdcall
Count on a titmouse to figure out yet another way to keep me guessing.
Compare to https://macaulaylibrary.org/asset/110596131. The match isn't
perfect but the similarity is good, both to the ear and to the eye on the
spectrogram. Fortunately, I didn't have to go through all 1,020 recordings
of tufted titmice to find this.
On Mon, Aug 13, 2018 at 9:07 PM Johannes <jpst51...> wrote:
Date: 8/14/18 12:44 pm From: Beverly Wolf <Bev_Wolf...> Subject: RE: Re: [birders] Thanks to Hero Sherri Smith for getting Trumpeter cygnet veterinary help
Yes Sherri is terrific! She’s willing to share her passion, gets out and counts migrating Sandhills, and shares her bird haven in addition to saving wildlife. Hooray for Sherri!
Bev Wolf
From: Sally K. Scheer <winerat...>
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2018 3:36 PM
To: 'Karen Markey' <ylime...>; <birders...>; 'Sherri Smith' <grackle...>
Subject: RE: Re: [birders] Thanks to Hero Sherri Smith for getting Trumpeter cygnet veterinary help
I’m not a Bible quoter on most occasions, but there’s an applicable sentiment having to do with charity works: something like “the right hand should not know what the left hand is doing”. Sherri is quite obviously dedicated to doing this good work and doing it without fanfare. How wonderful it would be if we could CLONE her or duplicate her dedication and skills for others to take a piece of it along with their own good qualities.
I suspect Sherri is too busy DOING to worry about garnering praise. We can but thank her for the birds.
Sally Scheer
From: NAPBirds [mailto:<NAPBirds...>]
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2018 1:25 PM
To: P. swanson
Cc: Karen Markey; <birders...> <mailto:<birders...> ; Sherri Smith
Subject: Re: [POSSIBLE SPAM] Re: [birders] Thanks to Hero Sherri Smith for getting Trumpeter cygnet veterinary help
Yes! Sherri is the best. She helps so many birds and we only hear about a small fraction of what she does.
Juliet Berger
Washtenaw Audubon
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 13, 2018, at 9:08 AM, 'P. swanson' via Birders <birders...> <mailto:<birders...> > wrote:
Hooray!
On Aug 12, 2018, at 7:39 PM, Karen Markey <ylime...> <mailto:<ylime...> > wrote:
My friend Laura lives at Geddes Lake Condos where a family of Trumpeter Swans has taken up residence. Laura noticed one of the cygnet's wings looked unnatural and sent me a photo. Concerned, I contacted Sherri Smith, and she arrived at Geddes Lake early this morning. Sherri scooped up the cygnet in a net while Laura held a second net, keeping Dad Trumpeter at bay so that Sherri could put the cygnet in a cage.
Sherri diagnosed the problem as Angel Wing <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angel_wing> (click on the link to see the Wikipedia entry about this malady). Angel Wing is due to a high-calorie diet, particularly one high in proteins. Wikipedia says, "Angel wing is occasionally observed in waterfowl residing near humans ... and the disease can sometimes be observed in areas where geese or ducks are excessively fed bread."
Let's spread the message to friends, neighbors, and family about the dangers of feeding bread to our feathered friends.
Sherri will evaluate the cygnet at the Bird Center, and, possibly, transport him to the Howell Nature Center for in-depth treatment. Big heaps of gratitude to Sherri who responded so quickly to our request for help and is making sure this cygnet gets help. Hip hip hooray for Sherri!
Date: 8/14/18 12:35 pm From: Sally K. Scheer <winerat...> Subject: RE: Re: [birders] Thanks to Hero Sherri Smith for getting Trumpeter cygnet veterinary help
I’m not a Bible quoter on most occasions, but there’s an applicable sentiment having to do with charity works: something like “the right hand should not know what the left hand is doing”. Sherri is quite obviously dedicated to doing this good work and doing it without fanfare. How wonderful it would be if we could CLONE her or duplicate her dedication and skills for others to take a piece of it along with their own good qualities.
I suspect Sherri is too busy DOING to worry about garnering praise. We can but thank her for the birds.
Sally Scheer
From: NAPBirds [mailto:<NAPBirds...>]
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2018 1:25 PM
To: P. swanson
Cc: Karen Markey; <birders...>; Sherri Smith
Subject: Re: [POSSIBLE SPAM] Re: [birders] Thanks to Hero Sherri Smith for getting Trumpeter cygnet veterinary help
Yes! Sherri is the best. She helps so many birds and we only hear about a small fraction of what she does.
Juliet Berger
Washtenaw Audubon
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 13, 2018, at 9:08 AM, 'P. swanson' via Birders <birders...> wrote:
Hooray!
On Aug 12, 2018, at 7:39 PM, Karen Markey <ylime...> wrote:
My friend Laura lives at Geddes Lake Condos where a family of Trumpeter Swans has taken up residence. Laura noticed one of the cygnet's wings looked unnatural and sent me a photo. Concerned, I contacted Sherri Smith, and she arrived at Geddes Lake early this morning. Sherri scooped up the cygnet in a net while Laura held a second net, keeping Dad Trumpeter at bay so that Sherri could put the cygnet in a cage.
Sherri diagnosed the problem as Angel Wing <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angel_wing> (click on the link to see the Wikipedia entry about this malady). Angel Wing is due to a high-calorie diet, particularly one high in proteins. Wikipedia says, "Angel wing is occasionally observed in waterfowl residing near humans ... and the disease can sometimes be observed in areas where geese or ducks are excessively fed bread."
Let's spread the message to friends, neighbors, and family about the dangers of feeding bread to our feathered friends.
Sherri will evaluate the cygnet at the Bird Center, and, possibly, transport him to the Howell Nature Center for in-depth treatment. Big heaps of gratitude to Sherri who responded so quickly to our request for help and is making sure this cygnet gets help. Hip hip hooray for Sherri!
Date: 8/14/18 10:25 am From: NAPBirds <NAPBirds...> Subject: Re: [POSSIBLE SPAM] Re: [birders] Thanks to Hero Sherri Smith for getting Trumpeter cygnet veterinary help
Yes! Sherri is the best. She helps so many birds and we only hear about a small fraction of what she does.
Juliet Berger
Washtenaw Audubon
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 13, 2018, at 9:08 AM, 'P. swanson' via Birders <birders...><mailto:<birders...>> wrote:
Hooray!
On Aug 12, 2018, at 7:39 PM, Karen Markey <ylime...><mailto:<ylime...>> wrote:
My friend Laura lives at Geddes Lake Condos where a family of Trumpeter Swans has taken up residence. Laura noticed one of the cygnet's wings looked unnatural and sent me a photo. Concerned, I contacted Sherri Smith, and she arrived at Geddes Lake early this morning. Sherri scooped up the cygnet in a net while Laura held a second net, keeping Dad Trumpeter at bay so that Sherri could put the cygnet in a cage.
Sherri diagnosed the problem as Angel Wing<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angel_wing> (click on the link to see the Wikipedia entry about this malady). Angel Wing is due to a high-calorie diet, particularly one high in proteins. Wikipedia says, "Angel wing is occasionally observed in waterfowl residing near humans ... and the disease can sometimes be observed in areas where geese or ducks are excessively fed bread."
Let's spread the message to friends, neighbors, and family about the dangers of feeding bread to our feathered friends.
Sherri will evaluate the cygnet at the Bird Center, and, possibly, transport him to the Howell Nature Center for in-depth treatment. Big heaps of gratitude to Sherri who responded so quickly to our request for help and is making sure this cygnet gets help. Hip hip hooray for Sherri!
Date: 8/14/18 8:44 am From: Eric Arnold <eba...> Subject: Re: [birders] Non-bird, but insect id...
John, that is a fascinating site you found! Out of 329 pages with 24
images per page (I didn't check all of the pages to see if they all had
that many) and the range map, I noticed that Michigan was poorly
represented; therefore:
Linda: putting in a report of your sighting would be, in my opinion, a very
worthwhile addition to this information. I hope the information on the
site that John referred to is sufficient to let you find out how to do
that. I have not explored that branch myself, so I don't have any wistom
to offer in that regard, but I hope you will see what you can do to get
your find into the record.
No idea at all where this might be headed, but it's one of the things that
makes the pursuit of these critters interesting for me.
Good luck!
Eric Arnold
On Mon, Aug 13, 2018 at 2:37 PM, John Farmer <ajf-jlf...> wrote:
> A closer look at Linda's photos and at my copy of Glassberg led me to
> agree with Eric's ID. Then I began an online check and found several sites
> that suggest there has been a revision of classification around the
> strikingly different phenotypes of what were once known as the Red-spotted
> Purple and the White Admiral (also once called the Banded Purple in the now
> coverless edition of The Golden Nature Guide to the Insects that was my
> formal introduction to entomology when I was a kid). I haven't yet located
> the current definitive status of the species (pl.) or species (sing.), but
> here <https://www.butterfliesandmoths.org/species/Limenitis-arthemis> is
> a good account from a seemingly reliable source, and it has good pics of
> some of the varied forms.
>
>
>
> JF
>
>
>
> *From:* Eric Arnold <eba...>
> *Sent:* Monday, August 13, 2018 2:01 PM
> *To:* John Farmer <ajf-jlf...>
> *Cc:* Johannes P. <jpst51...>; Linda Kaluza <navyfhd...>;
> <birders...>
> *Subject:* Re: [birders] Non-bird, but insect id...
>
>
>
> The guide that I find helpful for butterfly ID is :Butterflies through
> Binoculars — The East" by Jeffery Glassberg, published by Oxford U.P.,
> which suggests a range of hybridization in our area between the red-spotted
> purple and the white admiral. It seems to me that this might be a good
> candidate for that possibility.
>
>
>
> Eric Arnold
>
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 13, 2018 at 1:17 PM, John Farmer <ajf-jlf@sbcglobalnet
> <ajf-jlf...>> wrote:
>
> I second that ID.
>
>
>
> JF
>
>
>
> *From:* Johannes P. <jpst51...>
> *Sent:* Monday, August 13, 2018 1:02 PM
> *To:* Linda Kaluza <navyfhd...>; <birders...>
> *Subject:* RE: [birders] Non-bird, but insect id...
>
>
>
> I would say it’s a red spotted purple
>
>
>
> Johannes Postma
>
>
>
> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
> Windows 10
>
>
>
> *From: *Linda Kaluza <navyfhd...>
> *Sent: *Monday, August 13, 2018 12:50 PM
> *To: *<birders...>
> *Subject: *[birders] Non-bird, but insect id..
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
> I'm new at on the list. My husband says that you guys are good at insects
> too.
>
> I can't identify this butterfly.
>
> Its in Northern Lower Michigan, mixed deciduous forest. I looked it up,
> and its 'close' to black swallowtail, red-spotted purple admiral, pipevine
> swallowtail, or spicebush swallowtail. I am stumped, all the significant
> markings that the guides mention this butterfly doesn't possess.
>
> Thanx in advance for your help!
>
> Linda Kaluza
>
>
>
>
>
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Date: 8/13/18 12:48 pm From: Bob Bethune <bobbethune...> Subject: [birders] Tiny little buzzy birdcall
This audio file has a very soft recording of a tiny little buzzy birdcall that I can't figure out. It reminds me of cedar waxwings and of savannah sparrows. Can anybody ID it?
Date: 8/13/18 11:37 am From: John Farmer <ajf-jlf...> Subject: RE: [birders] Non-bird, but insect id...
A closer look at Linda's photos and at my copy of Glassberg led me to agree with Eric's ID. Then I began an online check and found several sites that suggest there has been a revision of classification around the strikingly different phenotypes of what were once known as the Red-spotted Purple and the White Admiral (also once called the Banded Purple in the now coverless edition of The Golden Nature Guide to the Insects that was my formal introduction to entomology when I was a kid). I haven't yet located the current definitive status of the species (pl.) or species (sing.), but here <https://www.butterfliesandmoths.org/species/Limenitis-arthemis> is a good account from a seemingly reliable source, and it has good pics of some of the varied forms.
JF
From: Eric Arnold <eba...>
Sent: Monday, August 13, 2018 2:01 PM
To: John Farmer <ajf-jlf...>
Cc: Johannes P. <jpst51...>; Linda Kaluza <navyfhd...>; <birders...>
Subject: Re: [birders] Non-bird, but insect id...
The guide that I find helpful for butterfly ID is :Butterflies through Binoculars — The East" by Jeffery Glassberg, published by Oxford U.P., which suggests a range of hybridization in our area between the red-spotted purple and the white admiral. It seems to me that this might be a good candidate for that possibility.
Eric Arnold
On Mon, Aug 13, 2018 at 1:17 PM, John Farmer <ajf-jlf@sbcglobalnet <mailto:<ajf-jlf...> > wrote:
I second that ID.
JF
From: Johannes P. <jpst51...> <mailto:<jpst51...> >
Sent: Monday, August 13, 2018 1:02 PM
To: Linda Kaluza <navyfhd...> <mailto:<navyfhd...> >; <birders...> <mailto:<birders...> Subject: RE: [birders] Non-bird, but insect id...
From: Linda Kaluza <mailto:<navyfhd...> Sent: Monday, August 13, 2018 12:50 PM
To: <birders...> <mailto:<birders...> Subject: [birders] Non-bird, but insect id..
Hi,
I'm new at on the list. My husband says that you guys are good at insects too.
I can't identify this butterfly.
Its in Northern Lower Michigan, mixed deciduous forest. I looked it up, and its 'close' to black swallowtail, red-spotted purple admiral, pipevine swallowtail, or spicebush swallowtail. I am stumped, all the significant markings that the guides mention this butterfly doesn't possess.
Date: 8/13/18 11:01 am From: Eric Arnold <eba...> Subject: Re: [birders] Non-bird, but insect id...
The guide that I find helpful for butterfly ID is :Butterflies through
Binoculars — The East" by Jeffery Glassberg, published by Oxford U.P.,
which suggests a range of hybridization in our area between the red-spotted
purple and the white admiral. It seems to me that this might be a good
candidate for that possibility.
Eric Arnold
On Mon, Aug 13, 2018 at 1:17 PM, John Farmer <ajf-jlf...> wrote:
> I second that ID.
>
>
>
> JF
>
>
>
> *From:* Johannes P. <jpst51...>
> *Sent:* Monday, August 13, 2018 1:02 PM
> *To:* Linda Kaluza <navyfhd...>; <birders...>
> *Subject:* RE: [birders] Non-bird, but insect id...
>
>
>
> I would say it’s a red spotted purple
>
>
>
> Johannes Postma
>
>
>
> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
> Windows 10
>
>
>
> *From: *Linda Kaluza <navyfhd...>
> *Sent: *Monday, August 13, 2018 12:50 PM
> *To: *<birders...>
> *Subject: *[birders] Non-bird, but insect id...
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
> I'm new at on the list. My husband says that you guys are good at insects
> too.
>
> I can't identify this butterfly.
>
> Its in Northern Lower Michigan, mixed deciduous forest. I looked it up,
> and its 'close' to black swallowtail, red-spotted purple admiral, pipevine
> swallowtail, or spicebush swallowtail. I am stumped, all the significant
> markings that the guides mention this butterfly doesn't possess.
>
> Thanx in advance for your help!
>
> Linda Kaluza
>
>
>
>
>
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Date: 8/13/18 10:17 am From: John Farmer <ajf-jlf...> Subject: RE: [birders] Non-bird, but insect id...
I second that ID.
JF
From: Johannes P. <jpst51...>
Sent: Monday, August 13, 2018 1:02 PM
To: Linda Kaluza <navyfhd...>; <birders...>
Subject: RE: [birders] Non-bird, but insect id...
From: Linda Kaluza <mailto:<navyfhd...> Sent: Monday, August 13, 2018 12:50 PM
To: <birders...> <mailto:<birders...> Subject: [birders] Non-bird, but insect id...
Hi,
I'm new at on the list. My husband says that you guys are good at insects too.
I can't identify this butterfly.
Its in Northern Lower Michigan, mixed deciduous forest. I looked it up, and its 'close' to black swallowtail, red-spotted purple admiral, pipevine swallowtail, or spicebush swallowtail. I am stumped, all the significant markings that the guides mention this butterfly doesn't possess.
Date: 8/13/18 10:02 am From: Johannes P. <jpst51...> Subject: RE: [birders] Non-bird, but insect id...
I would say it’s a red spotted purple
Johannes Postma
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
From: Linda Kaluza
Sent: Monday, August 13, 2018 12:50 PM
To: <birders...>
Subject: [birders] Non-bird, but insect id...
Hi,
I'm new at on the list. My husband says that you guys are good at insects too.
I can't identify this butterfly.
Its in Northern Lower Michigan, mixed deciduous forest. I looked it up, and its 'close' to black swallowtail, red-spotted purple admiral, pipevine swallowtail, or spicebush swallowtail. I am stumped, all the significant markings that the guides mention this butterfly doesn't possess.
Thanx in advance for your help!
Linda Kaluza
Date: 8/13/18 9:50 am From: Linda Kaluza <navyfhd...> Subject: [birders] Non-bird, but insect id...
Hi, I'm new at on the list. My husband says that you guys are good at insects too. I can't identify this butterfly. Its in Northern Lower Michigan, mixed deciduous forest. I looked it up, and its 'close' to black swallowtail, red-spotted purple admiral, pipevine swallowtail, or spicebush swallowtail. I am stumped, all the significant markings that the guides mention this butterfly doesn't possess. Thanx in advance for your help! Linda Kaluza
Date: 8/13/18 9:13 am From: Phil Bugosh <peb729...> Subject: [birders] Oakland Audubon Society Field Trip - Sunday, August 19
August 19, 2018 - Sunday 7:00 AM – 2:00 PM. Ottawa NWR. Leader: Jim Koppin (
<jimmykoppin...>)
We will drive the auto-tour through the refuge and explore other locations
in this bird rich area of northern Ohio. Shorebirds and waders will be our
targets. Meet at the MDOT lot in the northwest corner of the Meijer parking
lot at 8 mile and Haggerty. We will carpool from there at 7 AM sharp.
Please see our website for details about upcoming events. You do not have
to be a member to participate. http://www.oaklandaudubon.org/
Thank you,
Phil Bugosh
Oakland Audubon Society - Celebrating 60 Years!
Date: 8/13/18 6:08 am From: 'P. swanson' via Birders <birders...> Subject: Re: [birders] Thanks to Hero Sherri Smith for getting Trumpeter cygnet veterinary help
Hooray!
> On Aug 12, 2018, at 7:39 PM, Karen Markey <ylime...> wrote:
>
> My friend Laura lives at Geddes Lake Condos where a family of Trumpeter Swans has taken up residence. Laura noticed one of the cygnet's wings looked unnatural and sent me a photo. Concerned, I contacted Sherri Smith, and she arrived at Geddes Lake early this morning. Sherri scooped up the cygnet in a net while Laura held a second net, keeping Dad Trumpeter at bay so that Sherri could put the cygnet in a cage.
>
> Sherri diagnosed the problem as Angel Wing (click on the link to see the Wikipedia entry about this malady). Angel Wing is due to a high-calorie diet, particularly one high in proteins. Wikipedia says, "Angel wing is occasionally observed in waterfowl residing near humans ... and the disease can sometimes be observed in areas where geese or ducks are excessively fed bread."
>
> Let's spread the message to friends, neighbors, and family about the dangers of feeding bread to our feathered friends.
>
> Sherri will evaluate the cygnet at the Bird Center, and, possibly, transport him to the Howell Nature Center for in-depth treatment. Big heaps of gratitude to Sherri who responded so quickly to our request for help and is making sure this cygnet gets help. Hip hip hooray for Sherri!
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Date: 8/13/18 6:05 am From: William Niemczyk <billczyk...> Subject: [birders] Wildwing Lake is in Livingston County
Hello birders,
Someone reported a king rail in Oakland county from the path around Wildwing Lake at Kensington Metropark. Willdwing Lake is actually in Livingston county. The gravel road west of the nature center that runs North-South is the county line.
Date: 8/12/18 7:04 pm From: Mag Tait <magtait1...> Subject: Re: [birders] Re: Thanks to Hero Sherri Smith for getting Trumpeter cygnet veterinary help
Sherri is pretty awesome!
Sent from my iPhone
> On Aug 12, 2018, at 8:12 PM, <ylime...> wrote: > > Oops. I forgot to add my friend's photo of the cygnet. > KM > >> On Sunday, August 12, 2018 at 7:39:50 PM UTC-4, Karen Markey wrote: >> My friend Laura lives at Geddes Lake Condos where a family of Trumpeter Swans ... > > -- > Birders is a service of the Great Lakes Commission. Visit us at www.glc.org > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Birders" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to birders+<unsubscribe...> > To post to this group, send email to <birders...> > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/a/great-lakes.net/group/birders/. > To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/a/great-lakes.net/d/msgid/birders/<968c4e60-2c49-4de0-9eae-dc238b2e95af...> > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/a/great-lakes.net/d/optout. > <trumpeterCygnet_GeddesLake.jpg>
Date: 8/12/18 5:12 pm From: <ylime...> Subject: [birders] Re: Thanks to Hero Sherri Smith for getting Trumpeter cygnet veterinary help
Oops. I forgot to add my friend's photo of the cygnet. KM
On Sunday, August 12, 2018 at 7:39:50 PM UTC-4, Karen Markey wrote: > > My friend Laura lives at Geddes Lake Condos where a family of Trumpeter > Swans ... <http://ylime.people.si.umich.edu/> >
Date: 8/12/18 4:39 pm From: Karen Markey <ylime...> Subject: [birders] Thanks to Hero Sherri Smith for getting Trumpeter cygnet veterinary help
My friend Laura lives at Geddes Lake Condos where a family of Trumpeter Swans has taken up residence. Laura noticed one of the cygnet's wings looked unnatural and sent me a photo. Concerned, I contacted Sherri Smith, and she arrived at Geddes Lake early this morning. Sherri scooped up the cygnet in a net while Laura held a second net, keeping Dad Trumpeter at bay so that Sherri could put the cygnet in a cage.
Sherri diagnosed the problem as Angel Wing <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angel_wing> (click on the link to see the Wikipedia entry about this malady). Angel Wing is due to a high-calorie diet, particularly one high in proteins. Wikipedia says, "Angel wing is occasionally observed in waterfowl residing near humans ... and the disease can sometimes be observed in areas where geese or ducks are excessively fed bread."
Let's spread the message to friends, neighbors, and family about the dangers of feeding bread to our feathered friends.
Sherri will evaluate the cygnet at the Bird Center, and, possibly, transport him to the Howell Nature Center for in-depth treatment. Big heaps of gratitude to Sherri who responded so quickly to our request for help and is making sure this cygnet gets help. Hip hip hooray for Sherri!
Date: 8/11/18 11:33 am From: Thomas Shehan <shehant1971...> Subject: [birders] Least Bittern/Kensington MP
I had not seen the Kensington MP Least Bittern posted on ebird for the last few days. Finally had a chance to try and see it today. We waited on the Wildwing Lake boardwalk for about 45 minutes and and it finally flew in to the cattails about 30 feet from the boardwalk about halfway between the first two bench areas about 9:30 AM. Got a couple pictures before it disappeared
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Date: 8/10/18 5:37 pm From: Terry Hoenle <terry_hoenle...> Subject: [birders] Pine Siskins
Like many others, I had far more Pine Siskins this spring, many of whom stayed weeks longer than usual. Is it possible to tell from these photos (taken through a window) if this is a fledgling/juvenile? It was May 5th, so maybe too early for a young Siskin?
This bird is the first Siskin I've seen to completely immerse itself in the birdbath & it also seemed to have difficulty figuring out the sunflower chip tube feeder, just like young Goldfinches do. The gape seems to be pronounced, although possibly due to the wet feathers?
Just wondering & thanks in advance for any comments,
Date: 8/10/18 11:59 am From: 'michael wells' via Birders <birders...> Subject: [birders] Metroparks Natural Resources Project List
While at Indian Springs Metropark on Tuesday at 4:30 PM, I was searching for any leftover Bobolinks in the field directly East of the Meadowlark Picnic shelters. For 34 years I have checked this field and found nesting Boblinks, Henslow Sparrow's, and E. Meadowlark's especially earlier in the season. Did NOT see or hear any of these species Tuesday. I realize it was not prime time of day, but was hopeful the Boblink's had not begun migration.
Immediately I noticed 20ft. wide swaths of field recently mowed over which has never been done during my years at the park. Mind you the area mowed is directly within the nesting area of all 3 mentioned species. During past decades this access trail or cross country ski trail has only been maybe 8-10 ft. in width which is not as invasive as 20ft. widths! I left Ryan Colliton, Metroparks Natural Resource Manager a voicemail Tuesday at 5:00 PM to ask WHY a need for a wide and invasive trail and why in early August when late active nests may just possibly still be around. I have had no reply from him yet? And I see no reference to it in the project listing in his email list to Birders. Best of Regards, Michael Wells, LIC
6481 Springfield Ln.
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Date: 8/9/18 7:24 am From: Roger Kuhlman <rkuhlman...> Subject: Re: [birders] Metroparks Natural Resources Project List
Why do the Huron-Clinton Metroparks remind me of token postage stamps on a vast sea of suburban sprawl. I guess better than nothing but perhaps a good way to accommodating us to nothing.
Roger
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From: 'Toni Spears' via Birders <birders...>
Sent: Wednesday, August 8, 2018 3:17 PM
To: Birders UM; Enviro-semich; A2WildOnes Chapter
Cc: Ryan Colliton
Subject: [birders] Metroparks Natural Resources Project List
fyi,
Metroparks Natural Resources Chief Ryan Colliton would like to share the NR project list in the link below:
----- Forwarded Message -----
From: Ryan Colliton <Ryan.Colliton...>
To: Toni Spears <t_spears2000...>
Sent: Wednesday, August 8, 2018 02:59:02 PM EDT
Subject: Natural Resources Project List
Toni:
Would you be willing to post/share the link below with any conservation groups or listserves you are a member of?
Natural Resources - Huron-Clinton Metroparks<https://www.metroparks.com/get-involved/about-natural-resources/#9> www.metroparks.com
Encompassing about 25,000 acres across five counties in southeast Michigan, the Huron-Clinton Metroparks contains some of the largest and most diverse greenspac
Ryan J. Colliton | Chief of Natural Resources and Regulatory Compliance
Huron-Clinton Metroparks
13000 High Ridge Drive, Brighton, MI 48114-9058 | office (810) 494-6052
Date: 8/7/18 7:32 am From: Roger Kuhlman <rkuhlman...> Subject: Re: [birders] Monarch on swamp milkweed--No but Henslow's
There were good numbers of Henslow's sparrows at the State Game Area off of Sharon Valley road in southwest Washtenaw county when I recently went butterflying there on August 2. If you know their song, you can easily track them down and see them now if you have some patience.
Roger Kuhlman
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From: Dan Ezekiel <dan.ezekiel24...>
Sent: Sunday, August 5, 2018 9:54 PM
To: Roger Kuhlman
Cc: Birders UM
Subject: Re: [birders] Monarch on swamp milkweed
Ok, so I'm slightly hijacking this topic, but--following someone's tip (I'm sorry but I deleted it, and I can't remember who it was now), I went to Watkins Lake to see if I could hear Henslow's sparrows near the main parking lot. At 7 a.m. there were several calling lustily. I also enjoyed a N mockingbird and a very active Belted kingfisher and hundreds of Tree swallows. I went for a little bike ride, then when I returned to see if the Henslow was still calling (it was), it cooperatively flew to the top of a milkweed and continued calling for 10 minutes. The first Henslow's sparrow I've ever actually seen! And I found it by myself! Too excited to notice if there were also any monarchs on the milkweed, though...
DE
On Sun, Aug 5, 2018 at 9:44 PM, Roger Kuhlman <rkuhlman...><mailto:<rkuhlman...>> wrote:
Blooming Swamp milkweed in a rich diverse habitat of good size is a potent attractor of many species of butterflies for nectaring. When you are out looking for butterflies it is definitely one of the first places to look for a variety of species.
Obviously swamp milkweed likes moist sites, but grows well in well maintained and watered gardens. I have found monarch eggs on both common and swamp milkweeds, and butterfly weed.
There is a large population of non-migratory monarchs in New Zealand. The
host plant there, Gomphocarpus physocarpus is native to southeastern
Africa. Common name there is "Swan Plant." You can read more about NZ
monarchs at:
https://www.monarch.org.nz/species/plants-2/monarch-host-plants/milkweed/
In southeastern Michigan as well as much of the upper mid-west, this has
been an outstanding year for monarchs. In my 18 years of studying them, I
have never seen so many adults, caterpillars and eggs. Butterflies from
the eggs being deposited now will be migrating to Mexico.
I will be conducting a monarch release/tagging event around the end of
August or early September for the Sierra Club Crossroads Group. If you
might be interested, please contact me off-list (<dianepruden...>). I
will let you know the date and time when that is established. I am a
Monarch Conservation Specialist for the non-profit, MonarchWatch.org.
Diane Pruden
Milford Michigan
On Mon, Aug 6, 2018 at 8:09 AM, 'C Rickards' via Birders <
<birders...> wrote:
> Peruvian Monarchs are a different species, Danaus erippus.
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danaus_erippus >
> There other non-migratory subspecies of D plexippus throughout the Central
> America but not South of the Amazon.
>
> The first Australian and NZ Monarchs were most likely ship assisted, as
> are Northern European ones today, although a hurricane lifts some genuine
> vagrants.
> The resident population in the Canary Isles and coastal Spain and Portugal
> had to be ship assisted at some point.
> There is no native hostplant in Europe or Australia.
> Asclepias seeds were used to stuff sailors pillows and so the plant became
> established allowing the butterflies to survive.
>
> If anyone ever sees a white monarch, (f. nervosus). It worth catching it
> to breed a white strain for butterfly displays.
>
> Chris Rickards
>
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> On Mon, 8/6/18, Allen Chartier <amazilia3...> wrote:
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> Subject: Re: [birders] Peruvian Monarchs
> To: "Birders UM" <birders...>
> Date: Monday, August 6, 2018, 3:53 AM
>
> I believe
> that I read, a long time ago, that the Australian Monarchs
> are descended from natural vagrants...most likely from west
> coast migratory populations.
>
> Allen
> T. Chartier
> Inkster, Michigan
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>
> On Sun, Aug 5, 2018 at 9:37
> PM, Roger Kuhlman <rkuhlman...>
> wrote:
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> It would be
> interesting to learn if those Peruvian Monarchs got there
> naturally or not. There are non-migratory populations of
> Monarchs that are perfectly natural I just do not know if
> this Peruvian population is one
> of them or not. I hear that Monarchs are also in Australia
> and I would think their presence there is artificial. What
> is threatened with extinction is not the Monarch species
> itself but long-distance migratory populations into eastern
> and western United States
> and Canada. The long-term prospects of continued existence
> at the present time are not good in either breeding areas or
> over-wintering grounds.
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>
>
> Roger Kuhlman
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>
>
> From: Allen Chartier <amazilia3...>
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> Sent: Sunday, August 5, 2018 9:05 PM
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> To: Dody
>
> Cc: birders
>
> Subject: Re: [birders] Monarch on swamp
> milkweed
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>
>
>
> I saw several Monarchs in northern Peru last
> month, which really surprised me...
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> We are currently in the Keweenaw Peninsula and just saw a
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> Dody
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> On Aug 4, 2018, at 12:01 PM, 'P. swanson' via
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> Their flowers have a beautiful scent, as does common
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Date: 8/6/18 9:00 am From: Sally K. Scheer <winerat...> Subject: RE: [birders] Monarch on swamp milkweed
Now I really have to get some swamp milkweed to plant in my back field near the vernal pond. That makes the decision easy. Thanks for the information Roger.
Sally Scheer
From: Roger Kuhlman [mailto:<rkuhlman...>]
Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2018 9:44 PM
To: Birders UM
Subject: Re: [birders] Monarch on swamp milkweed
Blooming Swamp milkweed in a rich diverse habitat of good size is a potent attractor of many species of butterflies for nectaring. When you are out looking for butterflies it is definitely one of the first places to look for a variety of species.
Roger Kuhlman
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From: 'Thomas Hodgson' via Birders <birders...>
Sent: Sunday, August 5, 2018 2:47 PM
To: <winerat...>
Cc: marys1000; <birders...>
Subject: Re: [birders] Monarch on swamp milkweed
Obviously swamp milkweed likes moist sites, but grows well in well maintained and watered gardens. I have found monarch eggs on both common and swamp milkweeds, and butterfly weed.
Sent from my iPhone
> On Aug 5, 2018, at 12:30 PM, Sally K. Scheer <winerat...> wrote:
>
> Just my amateur opinion, but I'd plant two together is a couple different parts of your half acre and let nature take its course. If they like what they find, the two will multiply and spread. Better to plant SOMETHING rather than nothing!
>
> Sally Scheer
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: marys1000 [mailto:<marys1000...>]
> Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2018 11:57 AM
> To: <birders...>
> Subject: Re: [birders] Monarch on swamp milkweed
>
> I have wondered but find specific information harder to find than general.
> How many milkweed plants would one need to plant in order to.....make a
> difference?
> If you have very limited space (urban garden or 1/2 acre rural lot) is
> it better to
> plant one or two here and there sort of spaced out among other things or
> plant them together in a clump?
>
> Marie
>
>
>> On 8/5/2018 11:01 AM, 'P. swanson' via Birders wrote:
>> Excellent!
>>
>>> On Aug 5, 2018, at 9:33 AM, Dody <dody...> wrote:
>>>
>>> We are currently in the Keweenaw Peninsula and just saw a Monarch. First I’ve seen up here!
>>>
>>> Dody
>>>
>>> On Aug 4, 2018, at 12:01 PM, 'P. swanson' via Birders <birders...> wrote:
>>>
>>> Their flowers have a beautiful scent, as does common milkweed.
>>>
>>>> On Aug 4, 2018, at 9:49 AM, jangrich1 via Birders <birders...> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> First time I saw a monarch in our garden.
>>>>
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There other non-migratory subspecies of D plexippus throughout the Central America but not South of the Amazon.
The first Australian and NZ Monarchs were most likely ship assisted, as are Northern European ones today, although a hurricane lifts some genuine vagrants.
The resident population in the Canary Isles and coastal Spain and Portugal had to be ship assisted at some point.
There is no native hostplant in Europe or Australia.
Asclepias seeds were used to stuff sailors pillows and so the plant became established allowing the butterflies to survive.
If anyone ever sees a white monarch, (f. nervosus). It worth catching it to breed a white strain for butterfly displays.
Chris Rickards
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On Mon, 8/6/18, Allen Chartier <amazilia3...> wrote:
Subject: Re: [birders] Peruvian Monarchs
To: "Birders UM" <birders...>
Date: Monday, August 6, 2018, 3:53 AM
I believe
that I read, a long time ago, that the Australian Monarchs
are descended from natural vagrants...most likely from west
coast migratory populations.
On Sun, Aug 5, 2018 at 9:37
PM, Roger Kuhlman <rkuhlman...>
wrote:
It would be
interesting to learn if those Peruvian Monarchs got there
naturally or not. There are non-migratory populations of
Monarchs that are perfectly natural I just do not know if
this Peruvian population is one
of them or not. I hear that Monarchs are also in Australia
and I would think their presence there is artificial. What
is threatened with extinction is not the Monarch species
itself but long-distance migratory populations into eastern
and western United States
and Canada. The long-term prospects of continued existence
at the present time are not good in either breeding areas or
over-wintering grounds.
Roger Kuhlman
From: Allen Chartier <amazilia3...>
Sent: Sunday, August 5, 2018 9:05 PM
To: Dody
Cc: birders
Subject: Re: [birders] Monarch on swamp
milkweed
I saw several Monarchs in northern Peru last
month, which really surprised me...
Allen T. Chartier
Inkster, Michigan
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Date: 8/5/18 8:32 pm From: 'Barb B' via Birders <birders...> Subject: Re: [birders] Monarch on swamp milkweed
I have a very limited space. My common milkweed patch in the border of my condo patio is only 1' x 4'. However, from the eggs and tiny caterpillars on these plants, I have raised and released 14 Monarch butterflies so far this season and have 26 more to go. Every little bit helps!
Barb BaldingerClinton Township, MI
On Sunday, August 5, 2018, 11:56:54 AM EDT, marys1000 <marys1000...> wrote:
I have wondered but find specific information harder to find than general.
How many milkweed plants would one need to plant in order to.....make a
difference?
If you have very limited space (urban garden or 1/2 acre rural lot) is
it better to
plant one or two here and there sort of spaced out among other things or
plant them together in a clump?
Date: 8/5/18 6:54 pm From: Dan Ezekiel <dan.ezekiel24...> Subject: Re: [birders] Monarch on swamp milkweed
Ok, so I'm slightly hijacking this topic, but--following someone's tip (I'm
sorry but I deleted it, and I can't remember who it was now), I went to
Watkins Lake to see if I could hear Henslow's sparrows near the main
parking lot. At 7 a.m. there were several calling lustily. I also enjoyed
a N mockingbird and a very active Belted kingfisher and hundreds of Tree
swallows. I went for a little bike ride, then when I returned to see if
the Henslow was still calling (it was), it cooperatively flew to the top of
a milkweed and continued calling for 10 minutes. The first Henslow's
sparrow I've ever actually seen! And I found it by myself! Too excited
to notice if there were also any monarchs on the milkweed, though...
DE
On Sun, Aug 5, 2018 at 9:44 PM, Roger Kuhlman <rkuhlman...> wrote:
>
> Blooming Swamp milkweed in a rich diverse habitat of good size is a potent
> attractor of many species of butterflies for nectaring. When you are out
> looking for butterflies it is definitely one of the first places to look
> for a variety of species.
>
> Roger Kuhlman
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* 'Thomas Hodgson' via Birders <birders...>
> *Sent:* Sunday, August 5, 2018 2:47 PM
> *To:* <winerat...>
> *Cc:* marys1000; <birders...>
>
> *Subject:* Re: [birders] Monarch on swamp milkweed
>
> Obviously swamp milkweed likes moist sites, but grows well in well
> maintained and watered gardens. I have found monarch eggs on both common
> and swamp milkweeds, and butterfly weed.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Aug 5, 2018, at 12:30 PM, Sally K. Scheer <winerat...>
> wrote:
> >
> > Just my amateur opinion, but I'd plant two together is a couple
> different parts of your half acre and let nature take its course. If they
> like what they find, the two will multiply and spread. Better to plant
> SOMETHING rather than nothing!
> >
> > Sally Scheer
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: marys1000 [mailto:<marys1000...> <marys1000...>]
> > Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2018 11:57 AM
> > To: <birders...>
> > Subject: Re: [birders] Monarch on swamp milkweed
> >
> > I have wondered but find specific information harder to find than
> general.
> > How many milkweed plants would one need to plant in order to.....make a
> > difference?
> > If you have very limited space (urban garden or 1/2 acre rural lot) is
> > it better to
> > plant one or two here and there sort of spaced out among other things or
> > plant them together in a clump?
> >
> > Marie
> >
> >
> >> On 8/5/2018 11:01 AM, 'P. swanson' via Birders wrote:
> >> Excellent!
> >>
> >>> On Aug 5, 2018, at 9:33 AM, Dody <dody...> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> We are currently in the Keweenaw Peninsula and just saw a Monarch.
> First I’ve seen up here!
> >>>
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> >>> Their flowers have a beautiful scent, as does common milkweed.
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I believe that I read, a long time ago, that the Australian Monarchs are
descended from natural vagrants...most likely from west coast migratory
populations.
On Sun, Aug 5, 2018 at 9:37 PM, Roger Kuhlman <rkuhlman...> wrote:
> It would be interesting to learn if those Peruvian Monarchs got there
> naturally or not. There are non-migratory populations of Monarchs that are
> perfectly natural I just do not know if this Peruvian population is one of
> them or not. I hear that Monarchs are also in Australia and I would think
> their presence there is artificial. What is threatened with extinction is
> not the Monarch species itself but long-distance migratory populations into
> eastern and western United States and Canada. The long-term prospects of
> continued existence at the present time are not good in either breeding
> areas or over-wintering grounds.
>
>
> Roger Kuhlman
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Allen Chartier <amazilia3...>
> *Sent:* Sunday, August 5, 2018 9:05 PM
> *To:* Dody
> *Cc:* birders
> *Subject:* Re: [birders] Monarch on swamp milkweed
>
> I saw several Monarchs in northern Peru last month, which really surprised
> me...
>
> Allen T. Chartier
> Inkster, Michigan
> Email: <amazilia3...>
> Photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/mihummingbirdguy/collections/ > Website: www.amazilia.net
> Blog: http://mihummingbirdguy.blogspot.com/ >
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>
> On Sun, Aug 5, 2018 at 9:33 AM, Dody <dody...> wrote:
>
> We are currently in the Keweenaw Peninsula and just saw a Monarch. First
> I’ve seen up here!
>
> Dody
>
> On Aug 4, 2018, at 12:01 PM, 'P. swanson' via Birders <
> <birders...> wrote:
>
> Their flowers have a beautiful scent, as does common milkweed.
>
> > On Aug 4, 2018, at 9:49 AM, jangrich1 via Birders <
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> > First time I saw a monarch in our garden.
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Date: 8/5/18 6:44 pm From: Roger Kuhlman <rkuhlman...> Subject: Re: [birders] Monarch on swamp milkweed
Blooming Swamp milkweed in a rich diverse habitat of good size is a potent attractor of many species of butterflies for nectaring. When you are out looking for butterflies it is definitely one of the first places to look for a variety of species.
Roger Kuhlman
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From: 'Thomas Hodgson' via Birders <birders...>
Sent: Sunday, August 5, 2018 2:47 PM
To: <winerat...>
Cc: marys1000; <birders...>
Subject: Re: [birders] Monarch on swamp milkweed
Obviously swamp milkweed likes moist sites, but grows well in well maintained and watered gardens. I have found monarch eggs on both common and swamp milkweeds, and butterfly weed.
It would be interesting to learn if those Peruvian Monarchs got there naturally or not. There are non-migratory populations of Monarchs that are perfectly natural I just do not know if this Peruvian population is one of them or not. I hear that Monarchs are also in Australia and I would think their presence there is artificial. What is threatened with extinction is not the Monarch species itself but long-distance migratory populations into eastern and western United States and Canada. The long-term prospects of continued existence at the present time are not good in either breeding areas or over-wintering grounds.
Roger Kuhlman
________________________________
From: Allen Chartier <amazilia3...>
Sent: Sunday, August 5, 2018 9:05 PM
To: Dody
Cc: birders
Subject: Re: [birders] Monarch on swamp milkweed
I saw several Monarchs in northern Peru last month, which really surprised me...
On Sun, Aug 5, 2018 at 9:33 AM, Dody <dody...><mailto:<dody...>> wrote:
We are currently in the Keweenaw Peninsula and just saw a Monarch. First I’ve seen up here!
Dody
On Aug 4, 2018, at 12:01 PM, 'P. swanson' via Birders <birders...><mailto:<birders...>> wrote:
Their flowers have a beautiful scent, as does common milkweed.
On Sun, Aug 5, 2018 at 9:33 AM, Dody <dody...> wrote:
> We are currently in the Keweenaw Peninsula and just saw a Monarch. First
> I’ve seen up here!
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> Dody
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Date: 8/5/18 12:07 pm From: 'George Hammond' via Birders <birders...> Subject: Re: [birders] Monarch on swamp milkweed
In the short-term, and from the monarch’s point of view, I think it’s best to have the plants next to each other (though not so crowded that they interfere with each other). A single larger group of plants is easier for the females to scent than a few scattered individuals. Also, having plants next to each other gives caterpillars the chance to move to an adjacent plant if the one they hatch on is becomes deficient in some way (gets a disease, is eaten by deer, is swarmed by aphids, etc). You’ll also get more successful pollination when all the flowers are in a patch.
In the longer term, planting them more widely might allow them to fill a larger space faster, but that’s assuming they do spread (they certainly can), and you won’t be supporting the butterflies as well in the mean time.
Even if you can only plant one or a few plants, you can harvest the seed pods and distribute the seeds to other places.
Of course it is important to use local genotypes, so the plants are co-evolved for the local climate and the local butterflies. Native plant nurseries are good sources:
https://www.mnppa.org/
There is a group called Monarch Watch that has a Monarch Waystation Program. They sell kits with seeds and instructions for growing milkweed in a garden.
https://www.monarchwatch.org/waystations/index.html
> On Aug 5, 2018, at 11:56 AM, marys1000 <marys1000...> wrote:
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> I have wondered but find specific information harder to find than general.
> How many milkweed plants would one need to plant in order to.....make a difference?
> If you have very limited space (urban garden or 1/2 acre rural lot) is it better to
> plant one or two here and there sort of spaced out among other things or plant them together in a clump?
>
> Marie
>
>
> On 8/5/2018 11:01 AM, 'P. swanson' via Birders wrote:
>> Excellent!
>>
>>> On Aug 5, 2018, at 9:33 AM, Dody <dody...> wrote:
>>>
>>> We are currently in the Keweenaw Peninsula and just saw a Monarch. First I’ve seen up here!
>>>
>>> Dody
>>>
>>> On Aug 4, 2018, at 12:01 PM, 'P. swanson' via Birders <birders...> wrote:
>>>
>>> Their flowers have a beautiful scent, as does common milkweed.
>>>
>>>> On Aug 4, 2018, at 9:49 AM, jangrich1 via Birders <birders...> wrote:
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>>>> First time I saw a monarch in our garden.
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Date: 8/5/18 11:47 am From: 'Thomas Hodgson' via Birders <birders...> Subject: Re: [birders] Monarch on swamp milkweed
Obviously swamp milkweed likes moist sites, but grows well in well maintained and watered gardens. I have found monarch eggs on both common and swamp milkweeds, and butterfly weed.
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> On Aug 5, 2018, at 12:30 PM, Sally K. Scheer <winerat...> wrote:
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> Just my amateur opinion, but I'd plant two together is a couple different parts of your half acre and let nature take its course. If they like what they find, the two will multiply and spread. Better to plant SOMETHING rather than nothing!
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> I have wondered but find specific information harder to find than general.
> How many milkweed plants would one need to plant in order to.....make a
> difference?
> If you have very limited space (urban garden or 1/2 acre rural lot) is
> it better to
> plant one or two here and there sort of spaced out among other things or
> plant them together in a clump?
>
> Marie
>
>
>> On 8/5/2018 11:01 AM, 'P. swanson' via Birders wrote:
>> Excellent!
>>
>>> On Aug 5, 2018, at 9:33 AM, Dody <dody...> wrote:
>>>
>>> We are currently in the Keweenaw Peninsula and just saw a Monarch. First I’ve seen up here!
>>>
>>> Dody
>>>
>>> On Aug 4, 2018, at 12:01 PM, 'P. swanson' via Birders <birders...> wrote:
>>>
>>> Their flowers have a beautiful scent, as does common milkweed.
>>>
>>>> On Aug 4, 2018, at 9:49 AM, jangrich1 via Birders <birders...> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> First time I saw a monarch in our garden.
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Date: 8/5/18 10:19 am From: Bob Bethune <bobbethune...> Subject: Re: [birders] eBird App Issues
Before you uninstall and reinstall the app, go onto the website with a real computer and make sure your personal locations list is the way you want it. The app will re-download that after you reinstall it. All of your checklists will still be accesible on the eBird website. The only checklists stored locally on a phone are copies of the checklists submitted from that phone. All of those checklists, plus any checklists submitted by any other means, are on the bird website.
On Saturday, August 4, 2018, madxofaa <madxofaa...> wrote:
> Has anyone had problems with the eBird app on their phone? > Starting yesterday (08/03), after successfully creating and entering birds > in a checklist, I was no longer able to make checklists (with one > exception). > I could select a Hotspot or personal location and designate the starting > time, but as soon as I clicked on "Start New Checklist" the app shuts down. > By re-opening the app I can see the checklists in My Checklists as "Not > Submitted"; but if I select one the app shuts down again. > Though I have been able to successfully create 2 checklists, I had several > more attempts fail as I described above. > I sent a note to the eBird app team but have yet to hear back. > Rebooting the phone did not fix the problem. > I don't know if removing and re-downloading the app on my phone removes > the history that the phone app has. > Looking for guidance. > ..Bob Maddox > > -- > Birders is a service of the Great Lakes Commission. Visit us at > www.glc.org > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Birders" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to birders+<unsubscribe...> > To post to this group, send email to <birders...> > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/a/ > great-lakes.net/group/birders/. > To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/a/ > great-lakes.net/d/msgid/birders/CACb80_fUywEinP366ZwEfE8t2PqXvc5HmW6u > Ecd5HB9wDiZ%<3DjA...> > <https://groups.google.com/a/great-lakes.net/d/msgid/birders/CACb80_fUywEinP366ZwEfE8t2PqXvc5HmW6uEcd5HB9wDiZ%<3DjA...>?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/a/ > great-lakes.net/d/optout. >
Date: 8/5/18 9:30 am From: Sally K. Scheer <winerat...> Subject: RE: [birders] Monarch on swamp milkweed
Just my amateur opinion, but I'd plant two together is a couple different parts of your half acre and let nature take its course. If they like what they find, the two will multiply and spread. Better to plant SOMETHING rather than nothing!
Sally Scheer
-----Original Message-----
From: marys1000 [mailto:<marys1000...>]
Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2018 11:57 AM
To: <birders...>
Subject: Re: [birders] Monarch on swamp milkweed
I have wondered but find specific information harder to find than general.
How many milkweed plants would one need to plant in order to.....make a
difference?
If you have very limited space (urban garden or 1/2 acre rural lot) is
it better to
plant one or two here and there sort of spaced out among other things or
plant them together in a clump?
Date: 8/5/18 9:26 am From: Sally K. Scheer <winerat...> Subject: RE: [birders] Monarch on swamp milkweed
My sister in the UP near Brimley posted pictures of a hatching monarch on her milkweed That's a lot further south and east than the Keweenaw so your sighting is particularly encouraging..
Yay Dody!
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From: 'P. swanson' via Birders [mailto:<birders...>]
Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2018 11:02 AM
To: Dody
Cc: birders
Subject: Re: [birders] Monarch on swamp milkweed
Date: 8/5/18 8:56 am From: marys1000 <marys1000...> Subject: Re: [birders] Monarch on swamp milkweed
I have wondered but find specific information harder to find than general.
How many milkweed plants would one need to plant in order to.....make a
difference?
If you have very limited space (urban garden or 1/2 acre rural lot) is
it better to
plant one or two here and there sort of spaced out among other things or
plant them together in a clump?
Date: 8/5/18 5:38 am From: John Lowry <jlowry...> Subject: Re: [birders] eBird App Issues
Yes, deleting and reinstalling (re downloading ) the app is likely going to be the fix for your problem, and yes you will lose any local data, including offline checklists and history.
Since the data is being wiped, you could manually (via screen shots?) transcribe any offline checklists for re-entry later, once you’ve reinstalled the app. The other history (trip reports, ytd stuff) will be wiped and isn’t on the eBird server as far as I can tell. It simply is local data.
If you’re using Apple, and sync your phone with your computer (not iCloud), there is one potential way to save your local data for possible later reloading onto your phone. I have not done this with eBird, but with other iPhone apps the data set can be directed to back up to your computer (as part of a backup file). Once you’ve reinstalled the app you could restore the data from the backup.
I do wish that phone history was synced with the eBird server, but my wish list for eBird has some much higher priority items! (Some of which I hope will be coming soon!)
Date: 8/4/18 4:00 pm From: 'P. swanson' via Birders <birders...> Subject: Re: [birders] Monarch on swamp milkweed
Definitely would have been nice to know, Sally. We have lots of pods. Going to cut some of them off this year. You can round up the seedlings in spring and put them in one place. Penny
> On Aug 4, 2018, at 2:52 PM, Sally K. Scheer <winerat...> wrote: > > According to my sister, it was not necessary to dig the whole root out. A > portion of it would have been enough to transplant and the root that was > left in the vacant lot would also grow a new plant the next year. > NOW she tells me!! > Sally > > -----Original Message----- > From: P. swanson [mailto:<jumpthroughhoops...>] > Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2018 1:13 PM > To: <winerat...> > Cc: <jangrich1...> > Subject: Re: [birders] Monarch on swamp milkweed > > We got some common milkweed from a vacant lot in Detroit, which grew well, > and reproduced. We dug long roots out but they are tough to get out. > >> On Aug 4, 2018, at 12:56 PM, Sally K. Scheer <winerat...> > wrote: >> >> My sister in the UP says she has had great success transplanting milkweed. > She says if you leave part of the root in the ground when you dig out a > plant, both the plant you dig out and the root you leave behind will grow. > She says there are some very large tracts of milkweed in her area (five > miles from the shore of Lake Superior just west of the Soo). Both of my > younger sisters have been having success with monarchs this year. The other > sister is also in the north near Alpena on Lake Huron. >> >> Sally Scher >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: 'P. swanson' via Birders [mailto:<birders...>] >> Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2018 12:02 PM >> To: <jangrich1...>; birders >> Subject: Re: [birders] Monarch on swamp milkweed >> >> Their flowers have a beautiful scent, as does common milkweed. >> >>> On Aug 4, 2018, at 9:49 AM, jangrich1 via Birders > <birders...> wrote: >>> >>> First time I saw a monarch in our garden. >>> >>> -- >>> Birders is a service of the Great Lakes Commission. Visit us at > www.glc.org >>> --- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Birders" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to birders+<unsubscribe...> >>> To post to this group, send email to <birders...> >>> Visit this group at > https://groups.google.com/a/great-lakes.net/group/birders/. >>> To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/a/great-lakes.net/d/msgid/birders/B2CBDE37-9528-41 > <91-B4F2-3761B4794F00...> >>> For more options, visit > https://groups.google.com/a/great-lakes.net/d/optout. >>> <IMG_3869.JPG> >>> >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> -- >>> Birders is a service of the Great Lakes Commission. Visit us at > www.glc.org >>> --- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Birders" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to birders+<unsubscribe...> >>> To post to this group, send email to <birders...> >>> Visit this group at > https://groups.google.com/a/great-lakes.net/group/birders/. >>> To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/a/great-lakes.net/d/msgid/birders/B2CBDE37-9528-41 > <91-B4F2-3761B4794F00...> >>> For more options, visit > https://groups.google.com/a/great-lakes.net/d/optout. >> >> -- >> Birders is a service of the Great Lakes Commission. Visit us at > www.glc.org >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Birders" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to birders+<unsubscribe...> >> To post to this group, send email to <birders...> >> Visit this group at > https://groups.google.com/a/great-lakes.net/group/birders/. >> To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/a/great-lakes.net/d/msgid/birders/5E8FC187-A541-40 > <8D-BED5-559494D410EE...> >> For more options, visit > https://groups.google.com/a/great-lakes.net/d/optout. >> >> >> --- >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >> > >
Has anyone had problems with the eBird app on their phone? Starting yesterday (08/03), after successfully creating and entering birds in a checklist, I was no longer able to make checklists (with one exception). I could select a Hotspot or personal location and designate the starting time, but as soon as I clicked on "Start New Checklist" the app shuts down. By re-opening the app I can see the checklists in My Checklists as "Not Submitted"; but if I select one the app shuts down again. Though I have been able to successfully create 2 checklists, I had several more attempts fail as I described above. I sent a note to the eBird app team but have yet to hear back. Rebooting the phone did not fix the problem. I don't know if removing and re-downloading the app on my phone removes the history that the phone app has. Looking for guidance. ..Bob Maddox
Date: 8/2/18 3:14 pm From: <fkaluza...> Subject: Re: [birders] This insect is not a butterfly
Actually, perhaps we’re talking about different places. The area is comprised of several tracts owned by different organizations as well as private owners. It’s rather strange. One thing that fascinated me years ago is that I’d heard the last bison or wood buffalo in Michigan was shot and killed around the turn of the last century on some part of the Sibley Prairie preserve but...darned if I can find any mention of that anywhere now.
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On Wednesday, August 1, 2018, 15:21, Roger Kuhlman <rkuhlman...> wrote:
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Fred does anything remain of Sibley Prairie preserve in Brownstone township. It used to be an excellent butterflying area but then housing and condo development arrived on the scene and I have not been back there recently.
Roger
From: <fkaluza...> <fkaluza...>
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2018 6:46 PM
To: Birders UM
Subject: [birders] This insect is not a butterfly
It was raking through the fur of a recently deceased mole on the trail at the Sibley Prairie Preserve in Brownstown Township Michigan last Tuesday. I also have a short video if anyone wants it. I assume it’s a burying beetle or carrion beetle of some kind but can’t find anything on the internet that looks like it.
Date: 8/2/18 3:08 pm From: <fkaluza...> Subject: Re: [birders] This insect is not a butterfly
Well yes Roger, it remains but probably only as a shadow of its former self. We arrived by car and parked in a small lot on the north side of the road. You have to leave the lot and walk about 150 feet east on the shoulder of the road to the trail head. Yes, there were several species of butterflies present The parcel did seem squeezed from east to west but runs n to s for maybe 1/2 mile. There are several raised deer blinds plainly visible on the parcels immediately adjacent.
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On Wednesday, August 1, 2018, 15:21, Roger Kuhlman <rkuhlman...> wrote:
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Fred does anything remain of Sibley Prairie preserve in Brownstone township. It used to be an excellent butterflying area but then housing and condo development arrived on the scene and I have not been back there recently.
Roger
From: <fkaluza...> <fkaluza...>
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2018 6:46 PM
To: Birders UM
Subject: [birders] This insect is not a butterfly
It was raking through the fur of a recently deceased mole on the trail at the Sibley Prairie Preserve in Brownstown Township Michigan last Tuesday. I also have a short video if anyone wants it. I assume it’s a burying beetle or carrion beetle of some kind but can’t find anything on the internet that looks like it.
Date: 8/2/18 11:03 am From: Alan Ryff <alryff...> Subject: Re: [birders] Yellow Rail: Marys 1000
Mea maxima culpa: I gave incorrect information about how small a rallid the Yellow Rail is. Therefore I must restate, if you use Sibley as a reference, a Yellow Rail at 7.25" is only 90% the length of a Rose-breasted Grosebeak's 8 inches. The rail's weight is a hefty1.8 oz (50 g) versus the grosbeak's 1.6 oz (45 g). Not too big.Only the Black Rail is smaller at 6 inches and 1.1 oz (30 g).
Concerning ticks. We didn't see a one and had no bites--just lucky, I guess.
Alan
On Thursday, August 2, 2018 12:07 PM, Alan Ryff <alryff...> wrote:
I know, the photo makes this rail look like an over sized chicken. Well, if you use Sibley as a reference, it is shorter than a Carolina Wren by a quarter of an inch but is about 2.5 times heavier. That's not too big for a rallid.
Maggie's reference to a winter wren or mouse is an accurate account of its behavior as she experienced it--popping out of a hole like a mouse and and giving a fleeting look of itself like that of an elusive Winter Wren. Now you see it and now you don't.
Neos are waterproof/insulated over shoes. Google it.
Alan
That is great! Can't tell how big (or small it is), they are quite small right? You mention winter wren, mouse - they aren't that small are they?
Also, tick phobe here, what was the tick situation? (You are very brave). Last, what are Neo's?
Date: 8/2/18 9:07 am From: Alan Ryff <alryff...> Subject: [birders] Yellow Rail: Marys 1000
I know, the photo makes this rail look like an over sized chicken. Well, if you use Sibley as a reference, it is shorter than a Carolina Wren by a quarter of an inch but is about 2.5 times heavier. That's not too big for a rallid.
Maggie's reference to a winter wren or mouse is an accurate account of its behavior as she experienced it--popping out of a hole like a mouse and and giving a fleeting look of itself like that of an elusive Winter Wren. Now you see it and now you don't.
Neos are waterproof/insulated over shoes. Google it.
Alan
That is great! Can't tell how big (or small it is), they are quite small right? You mention winter wren, mouse - they aren't that small are they?
Also, tick phobe here, what was the tick situation? (You are very brave). Last, what are Neo's?
Date: 8/2/18 5:13 am From: marys1000 <marys1000...> Subject: Re: [birders] A Yellow Rail, Chippewa County
That is great! Can't tell how big (or small it is), they are quite
small right? You mention winter wren, mouse - they aren't that small
are they?
Also, tick phobe here, what was the tick situation? (You are very
brave). Last, what are Neo's?
Thank you,
Marie Schatz
Albion
>
> On Jul 31, 2018, at 5:48 PM, Alan Ryff <alryff...>
> <mailto:<alryff...>> wrote:
>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/snow-shadow/albums/72157698051574471 >> or
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/snow-shadow/ >>
>> Hearing Yellow Rails on territory can be done.
>> Seeing a Yellow Rail is a bit of a feat.
>> But photographing a free Yellow Rail is an experience onto itself.
>> And this is our expereince.
>>
>> Maggie's ears have an exceptionally long reach. "Stop," she says. I
>> hear a Yellow Rail clicking."
>> "I can't hear it."
>> "It's out there. Get out of the car and you will."
>> I did. "Wow! How far out do you think it is?"
>> "Oh, where that Sedge Wren and Swamp Sparrow is singing."
>> "Let's put on our Neos. Maybe we'll get close enough to see it. If
>> the place is crawling with ticks, the hell with them."
>>
>> I know a thing or two about Yellow Rails actually having seen them as
>> breeders (Michigan), as migrants (New Jersey and Ontario) and as
>> winter birds (Texas and Florida)--over a span of 47 years.
>>
>> I didn't bother to take my camera. Who photographs a calling Yellow
>> Rail? Well, it turned out that the bird kept calling from beneath a
>> mixed matting of last year's prostrate sedge and emerging springtime
>> grass. At times it was practically next to our feet. How could I
>> resist?
>>
>> I went back to the car for my camera. If we did see this bird, it
>> wouldn't be giving much of a chance for a shot. I preset the
>> camera. Patience is a virtue. We stood stark still, maybe for an
>> hour, until we went numb from our feet to our knees. (We're not
>> spring chickens.) The photos testify that the little bit of pain
>> paid off.
>>
>> Let Maggie's words take over: "This is a VS FMO sighting - which
>> stands for Very Special Found My Own! Unexpectedly heard the
>> click-click, click-click-click of two pebbles knocking mid-afternoon.
>> Thank you to Alan, who upon hearing it himself, insisted we had to
>> get closer. With infinite patience, we got so close to this invisible
>> skulker, I feared that taking a step might crush him. Had no idea
>> until he popped out a few feet away that yellow rails either create
>> tunnels beneath the sedge mat or use tunnels created by other small
>> mammals. This fellow popped out like a mouse or a winter wren for a
>> few seconds, took one look at us and disappeared. Appreciating the
>> great honor bestowed upon us, actual visibility in broad daylight, we
>> retreated."
>> --
Date: 8/1/18 12:21 pm From: Roger Kuhlman <rkuhlman...> Subject: Re: [birders] This insect is not a butterfly
Fred does anything remain of Sibley Prairie preserve in Brownstone township. It used to be an excellent butterflying area but then housing and condo development arrived on the scene and I have not been back there recently.
Roger
________________________________
From: <fkaluza...> <fkaluza...>
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2018 6:46 PM
To: Birders UM
Subject: [birders] This insect is not a butterfly
It was raking through the fur of a recently deceased mole on the trail at the Sibley Prairie Preserve in Brownstown Township Michigan last Tuesday. I also have a short video if anyone wants it. I assume it’s a burying beetle or carrion beetle of some kind but can’t find anything on the internet that looks like it.[Inline image]
Date: 8/1/18 11:26 am From: Roger Kuhlman <rkuhlman...> Subject: Re: [birders] Monarch Butterfly Blitz through Sunday Aug 5
Indeed Dody. Monarchs in our area are showing good numbers this butterfly season--much much better than the past recent few years. I do not know if this trend will continue into the future or go the other way since Milkweeds in the Southeast Michigan area are greatly reduced as compared to 10 or 15 years particularly on agricultural lands. I would say the Monarch's future as a long-distance migrant remains quite tenuous over the next 100 years. It could quite easily go extinct.
Roger Kuhlman
Greater Washtenaw County Butterfly Survey
Ann Arbor, Michigan
________________________________
From: Dody <dody...>
Sent: Wednesday, August 1, 2018 9:37 AM
To: C Rickards
Cc: Janet Damian; P. swanson; Susan Horvath; Birders UM
Subject: Re: [birders] Monarch Butterfly Blitz through Sunday Aug 5
As a side note, we have many more Monarchs this year than we’ve had in the last umpteen years. We have a fair amount of wild milkweed in our small field, but not really more than in the past. It’s been a delight to have so many this year!
Hoping this is a trend that will continue!
Dody Wyman
Manchester
On Aug 1, 2018, at 4:46 AM, 'C Rickards' via Birders <birders...> wrote:
Some Milkweeds are better than others. If you devote a patch in the garden to Asclepias syriaca and lots of it, you will have success encouraging Monarchs.
Butterflies need a chemical free environment, so no treatments of any kind. Even Spot-ons for pets can and will affect ova and larvae in all stages.
You should use potted plants for successfully rearing Monarchs with kids. Pop-up nylon cages are available at very little cost.
Raising those Painted ladies on artificial diet is educational but not a great idea for boosting wild numbers. The resulting butterflies are physically and genetically weak.
Nectar sources such as Buddleja and host plants will encourage a large number of "garden" butterflies.
Fennel is an easy larval plant for Black Swallowtail. Rue and other Rutaceae especially Ptelea for Giant Swallowtail.
Every butterfly has it's own host plant choices.
Speak to Greg at Ann Arbor Farmers Market for lots of native plant ideas for butterflies.
A hackberry tree is a long term investment that will encourage Emperor butterflies.
Try leaving out a bowl of damp fermenting fruit, apples, bananas etc mixed with sugar and beer. You'll get a good variety of Nymphalids visiting especially in hot weather.
C Rickards
There is lots of info out there when it comes to gardening for butterflies. Follow a few simple rules and it's possible to see a huge difference on your own patch.
--------------------------------------------
On Wed, 8/1/18, 'P. swanson' via Birders <birders...> wrote:
Subject: Re: [birders] Monarch Butterfly Blitz through Sunday Aug 5
To: "Janet Damian" <jdamianlapko...>
Cc: "Susan Horvath" <shorvath...>, "Birders UM" <birders...>
Date: Wednesday, August 1, 2018, 2:07 AM
It’s possible but I think you
would have seen the aphids. Did u keep them inside on the
leaf they were laid on? Try putting them in an aquarium with
a screened top in your house so nothing can get to them. I
think they are still egg laying.
Penny
> On Jul 31, 2018, at 6:47
PM, Janet Damian <jdamianlapko...>
wrote:
>
> I’ve
collected eggs right after I saw them being laid on
milkweed. I collected about a dozen, only 1 ever
hatched. wondering if there were aphids or something
else on the leaves?
>
> janet
>
>> On Jul 31, 2018, at 6:26 PM, 'P.
swanson' via Birders <birders...>
wrote:
>>
>> My
daughter has been growing various milkweed for at least 7
years. This year she collected eggs again and raised and
hatched about 70 monarchs - and counting - indoors (to
protect eggs and caterpillars from predators). They still
come back to her yard where she released them. Her 10 year
old does the egg spotting. They are tiny. I recommend this
experience to everyone. Only I think we should focus on even
more butterfly species. She started out with mail order
painted ladies and silk worms.
>>
>> Penny
>>
>>
>>> On Jul
31, 2018, at 1:39 PM, Susan Horvath <shorvath...>
wrote:
>>>
>>> This morning on Michigan
Radio's Environment Report:
>>>
http://www.michiganradio.org/post/you-can-join-scientists-monarch-butterfly-blitz [http://mediad.publicbroadcasting.net/p/michigan/files/styles/medium/public/201603/20160331_Monarch_VanDerWerf.jpg]<http://www.michiganradio.org/post/you-can-join-scientists-monarch-butterfly-blitz>
Date: 8/1/18 6:37 am From: Dody <dody...> Subject: Re: [birders] Monarch Butterfly Blitz through Sunday Aug 5
As a side note, we have many more Monarchs this year than we’ve had in the last umpteen years. We have a fair amount of wild milkweed in our small field, but not really more than in the past. It’s been a delight to have so many this year!
Hoping this is a trend that will continue!
Dody Wyman
Manchester
On Aug 1, 2018, at 4:46 AM, 'C Rickards' via Birders <birders...> wrote:
Some Milkweeds are better than others. If you devote a patch in the garden to Asclepias syriaca and lots of it, you will have success encouraging Monarchs.
Butterflies need a chemical free environment, so no treatments of any kind. Even Spot-ons for pets can and will affect ova and larvae in all stages.
You should use potted plants for successfully rearing Monarchs with kids. Pop-up nylon cages are available at very little cost.
Raising those Painted ladies on artificial diet is educational but not a great idea for boosting wild numbers. The resulting butterflies are physically and genetically weak.
Nectar sources such as Buddleja and host plants will encourage a large number of "garden" butterflies.
Fennel is an easy larval plant for Black Swallowtail. Rue and other Rutaceae especially Ptelea for Giant Swallowtail.
Every butterfly has it's own host plant choices.
Speak to Greg at Ann Arbor Farmers Market for lots of native plant ideas for butterflies.
A hackberry tree is a long term investment that will encourage Emperor butterflies.
Try leaving out a bowl of damp fermenting fruit, apples, bananas etc mixed with sugar and beer. You'll get a good variety of Nymphalids visiting especially in hot weather.
C Rickards
There is lots of info out there when it comes to gardening for butterflies. Follow a few simple rules and it's possible to see a huge difference on your own patch.
--------------------------------------------
On Wed, 8/1/18, 'P. swanson' via Birders <birders...> wrote:
Subject: Re: [birders] Monarch Butterfly Blitz through Sunday Aug 5
To: "Janet Damian" <jdamianlapko...>
Cc: "Susan Horvath" <shorvath...>, "Birders UM" <birders...>
Date: Wednesday, August 1, 2018, 2:07 AM
It’s possible but I think you
would have seen the aphids. Did u keep them inside on the
leaf they were laid on? Try putting them in an aquarium with
a screened top in your house so nothing can get to them. I
think they are still egg laying.
Penny
> On Jul 31, 2018, at 6:47
PM, Janet Damian <jdamianlapko...>
wrote:
>
> I’ve
collected eggs right after I saw them being laid on
milkweed. I collected about a dozen, only 1 ever
hatched. wondering if there were aphids or something
else on the leaves?
>
> janet
>
>> On Jul 31, 2018, at 6:26 PM, 'P.
swanson' via Birders <birders...>
wrote:
>>
>> My
daughter has been growing various milkweed for at least 7
years. This year she collected eggs again and raised and
hatched about 70 monarchs - and counting - indoors (to
protect eggs and caterpillars from predators). They still
come back to her yard where she released them. Her 10 year
old does the egg spotting. They are tiny. I recommend this
experience to everyone. Only I think we should focus on even
more butterfly species. She started out with mail order
painted ladies and silk worms.
>>
>> Penny
>>
>>
>>> On Jul
31, 2018, at 1:39 PM, Susan Horvath <shorvath...>
wrote:
>>>
>>> This morning on Michigan
Radio's Environment Report:
>>>
http://www.michiganradio.org/post/you-can-join-scientists-monarch-butterfly-blitz >>>
>>> Our
chance to contribute to citizen science!
>>>
>>> --
Date: 8/1/18 6:27 am From: Tait, Mag <mtait...> Subject: RE: [birders] A Yellow Rail, Chippewa County
Wow!
From: Ann Alvarez <annra.new...>
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2018 6:11 PM
To: Alan Ryff <alryff...>
Cc: Birders UM <birders...>
Subject: Re: [birders] A Yellow Rail, Chippewa County
Congratulations!
And thanks for a great story and stunning documentation!
Sent from my iPhone
Hearing Yellow Rails on territory can be done.
Seeing a Yellow Rail is a bit of a feat.
But photographing a free Yellow Rail is an experience onto itself.
And this is our expereince.
Maggie's ears have an exceptionally long reach. "Stop," she says. I hear a Yellow Rail clicking."
"I can't hear it."
"It's out there. Get out of the car and you will."
I did. "Wow! How far out do you think it is?"
"Oh, where that Sedge Wren and Swamp Sparrow is singing."
"Let's put on our Neos. Maybe we'll get close enough to see it. If the place is crawling with ticks, the hell with them."
I know a thing or two about Yellow Rails actually having seen them as breeders (Michigan), as migrants (New Jersey and Ontario) and as winter birds (Texas and Florida)--over a span of 47 years.
I didn't bother to take my camera. Who photographs a calling Yellow Rail? Well, it turned out that the bird kept calling from beneath a mixed matting of last year's prostrate sedge and emerging springtime grass. At times it was practically next to our feet. How could I resist?
I went back to the car for my camera. If we did see this bird, it wouldn't be giving much of a chance for a shot. I preset the camera. Patience is a virtue. We stood stark still, maybe for an hour, until we went numb from our feet to our knees. (We're not spring chickens.) The photos testify that the little bit of pain paid off.
Date: 8/1/18 1:46 am From: 'C Rickards' via Birders <birders...> Subject: Re: [birders] Monarch Butterfly Blitz through Sunday Aug 5
Some Milkweeds are better than others. If you devote a patch in the garden to Asclepias syriaca and lots of it, you will have success encouraging Monarchs.
Butterflies need a chemical free environment, so no treatments of any kind. Even Spot-ons for pets can and will affect ova and larvae in all stages.
You should use potted plants for successfully rearing Monarchs with kids. Pop-up nylon cages are available at very little cost.
Raising those Painted ladies on artificial diet is educational but not a great idea for boosting wild numbers. The resulting butterflies are physically and genetically weak.
Nectar sources such as Buddleja and host plants will encourage a large number of "garden" butterflies.
Fennel is an easy larval plant for Black Swallowtail. Rue and other Rutaceae especially Ptelea for Giant Swallowtail.
Every butterfly has it's own host plant choices.
Speak to Greg at Ann Arbor Farmers Market for lots of native plant ideas for butterflies.
A hackberry tree is a long term investment that will encourage Emperor butterflies.
Try leaving out a bowl of damp fermenting fruit, apples, bananas etc mixed with sugar and beer. You'll get a good variety of Nymphalids visiting especially in hot weather.
C Rickards
There is lots of info out there when it comes to gardening for butterflies. Follow a few simple rules and it's possible to see a huge difference on your own patch.
--------------------------------------------
On Wed, 8/1/18, 'P. swanson' via Birders <birders...> wrote:
Subject: Re: [birders] Monarch Butterfly Blitz through Sunday Aug 5
To: "Janet Damian" <jdamianlapko...>
Cc: "Susan Horvath" <shorvath...>, "Birders UM" <birders...>
Date: Wednesday, August 1, 2018, 2:07 AM
It’s possible but I think you
would have seen the aphids. Did u keep them inside on the
leaf they were laid on? Try putting them in an aquarium with
a screened top in your house so nothing can get to them. I
think they are still egg laying.
Penny
> On Jul 31, 2018, at 6:47
PM, Janet Damian <jdamianlapko...>
wrote:
>
> I’ve
collected eggs right after I saw them being laid on
milkweed. I collected about a dozen, only 1 ever
hatched. wondering if there were aphids or something
else on the leaves?
>
> janet
>
>> On Jul 31, 2018, at 6:26 PM, 'P.
swanson' via Birders <birders...>
wrote:
>>
>> My
daughter has been growing various milkweed for at least 7
years. This year she collected eggs again and raised and
hatched about 70 monarchs - and counting - indoors (to
protect eggs and caterpillars from predators). They still
come back to her yard where she released them. Her 10 year
old does the egg spotting. They are tiny. I recommend this
experience to everyone. Only I think we should focus on even
more butterfly species. She started out with mail order
painted ladies and silk worms.
>>
>> Penny
>>
>>
>>> On Jul
31, 2018, at 1:39 PM, Susan Horvath <shorvath...>
wrote:
>>>
>>> This morning on Michigan
Radio's Environment Report:
>>>
http://www.michiganradio.org/post/you-can-join-scientists-monarch-butterfly-blitz >>>
>>> Our
chance to contribute to citizen science!
>>>
>>> --
Date: 7/31/18 5:07 pm From: 'P. swanson' via Birders <birders...> Subject: Re: [birders] Monarch Butterfly Blitz through Sunday Aug 5
It’s possible but I think you would have seen the aphids. Did u keep them inside on the leaf they were laid on? Try putting them in an aquarium with a screened top in your house so nothing can get to them. I think they are still egg laying.
Penny
> On Jul 31, 2018, at 6:47 PM, Janet Damian <jdamianlapko...> wrote:
>
> I’ve collected eggs right after I saw them being laid on milkweed. I collected about a dozen, only 1 ever hatched. wondering if there were aphids or something else on the leaves?
>
> janet
>
>> On Jul 31, 2018, at 6:26 PM, 'P. swanson' via Birders <birders...> wrote:
>>
>> My daughter has been growing various milkweed for at least 7 years. This year she collected eggs again and raised and hatched about 70 monarchs - and counting - indoors (to protect eggs and caterpillars from predators). They still come back to her yard where she released them. Her 10 year old does the egg spotting. They are tiny. I recommend this experience to everyone. Only I think we should focus on even more butterfly species. She started out with mail order painted ladies and silk worms.
>>
>> Penny
>>
>>
>>> On Jul 31, 2018, at 1:39 PM, Susan Horvath <shorvath...> wrote:
>>>
>>> This morning on Michigan Radio's Environment Report:
>>> http://www.michiganradio.org/post/you-can-join-scientists-monarch-butterfly-blitz >>>
>>> Our chance to contribute to citizen science!
>>>
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Date: 7/31/18 3:47 pm From: 'Janet Damian' via Birders <birders...> Subject: Re: [birders] Monarch Butterfly Blitz through Sunday Aug 5
I’ve collected eggs right after I saw them being laid on milkweed. I collected about a dozen, only 1 ever hatched. wondering if there were aphids or something else on the leaves?
janet
> On Jul 31, 2018, at 6:26 PM, 'P. swanson' via Birders <birders...> wrote:
>
> My daughter has been growing various milkweed for at least 7 years. This year she collected eggs again and raised and hatched about 70 monarchs - and counting - indoors (to protect eggs and caterpillars from predators). They still come back to her yard where she released them. Her 10 year old does the egg spotting. They are tiny. I recommend this experience to everyone. Only I think we should focus on even more butterfly species. She started out with mail order painted ladies and silk worms.
>
> Penny
>
>
>> On Jul 31, 2018, at 1:39 PM, Susan Horvath <shorvath...> wrote:
>>
>> This morning on Michigan Radio's Environment Report:
>> http://www.michiganradio.org/post/you-can-join-scientists-monarch-butterfly-blitz >>
>> Our chance to contribute to citizen science!
>>
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Date: 7/31/18 3:26 pm From: 'P. swanson' via Birders <birders...> Subject: Re: [birders] Monarch Butterfly Blitz through Sunday Aug 5
My daughter has been growing various milkweed for at least 7 years. This year she collected eggs again and raised and hatched about 70 monarchs - and counting - indoors (to protect eggs and caterpillars from predators). They still come back to her yard where she released them. Her 10 year old does the egg spotting. They are tiny. I recommend this experience to everyone. Only I think we should focus on even more butterfly species. She started out with mail order painted ladies and silk worms.
Date: 7/31/18 3:11 pm From: Ann Alvarez <annra.new...> Subject: Re: [birders] A Yellow Rail, Chippewa County
Congratulations!
And thanks for a great story and stunning documentation!
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jul 31, 2018, at 5:48 PM, Alan Ryff <alryff...> wrote:
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/snow-shadow/albums/72157698051574471 > or
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/snow-shadow/ >
> Hearing Yellow Rails on territory can be done.
> Seeing a Yellow Rail is a bit of a feat.
> But photographing a free Yellow Rail is an experience onto itself.
> And this is our expereince.
>
> Maggie's ears have an exceptionally long reach. "Stop," she says. I hear a Yellow Rail clicking."
> "I can't hear it."
> "It's out there. Get out of the car and you will."
> I did. "Wow! How far out do you think it is?"
> "Oh, where that Sedge Wren and Swamp Sparrow is singing."
> "Let's put on our Neos. Maybe we'll get close enough to see it. If the place is crawling with ticks, the hell with them."
>
> I know a thing or two about Yellow Rails actually having seen them as breeders (Michigan), as migrants (New Jersey and Ontario) and as winter birds (Texas and Florida)--over a span of 47 years.
>
> I didn't bother to take my camera. Who photographs a calling Yellow Rail? Well, it turned out that the bird kept calling from beneath a mixed matting of last year's prostrate sedge and emerging springtime grass. At times it was practically next to our feet. How could I resist?
>
> I went back to the car for my camera. If we did see this bird, it wouldn't be giving much of a chance for a shot. I preset the camera. Patience is a virtue. We stood stark still, maybe for an hour, until we went numb from our feet to our knees. (We're not spring chickens.) The photos testify that the little bit of pain paid off.
>
> Let Maggie's words take over: "This is a VS FMO sighting - which stands for Very Special Found My Own! Unexpectedly heard the click-click, click-click-click of two pebbles knocking mid-afternoon. Thank you to Alan, who upon hearing it himself, insisted we had to get closer. With infinite patience, we got so close to this invisible skulker, I feared that taking a step might crush him. Had no idea until he popped out a few feet away that yellow rails either create tunnels beneath the sedge mat or use tunnels created by other small mammals. This fellow popped out like a mouse or a winter wren for a few seconds, took one look at us and disappeared. Appreciating the great honor bestowed upon us, actual visibility in broad daylight, we retreated."
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Hearing Yellow Rails on territory can be done.
Seeing a Yellow Rail is a bit of a feat.
But photographing a free Yellow Rail is an experience onto itself.
And this is our expereince.
Maggie's ears have an exceptionally long reach. "Stop," she says. I hear a Yellow Rail clicking."
"I can't hear it."
"It's out there. Get out of the car and you will."
I did. "Wow! How far out do you think it is?"
"Oh, where that Sedge Wren and Swamp Sparrow is singing."
"Let's put on our Neos. Maybe we'll get close enough to see it. If the place is crawling with ticks, the hell with them."
I know a thing or two about Yellow Rails actually having seen them as breeders (Michigan), as migrants (New Jersey and Ontario) and as winter birds (Texas and Florida)--over a span of 47 years.
I didn't bother to take my camera. Who photographs a calling Yellow Rail? Well, it turned out that the bird kept calling from beneath a mixed matting of last year's prostrate sedge and emerging springtime grass. At times it was practically next to our feet. How could I resist?
I went back to the car for my camera. If we did see this bird, it wouldn't be giving much of a chance for a shot. I preset the camera. Patience is a virtue. We stood stark still, maybe for an hour, until we went numb from our feet to our knees. (We're not spring chickens.) The photos testify that the little bit of pain paid off.
Let Maggie's words take over: "This is a VS FMO sighting - which stands for Very Special Found My Own! Unexpectedly heard the click-click, click-click-click of two pebbles knocking mid-afternoon. Thank you to Alan, who upon hearing it himself, insisted we had to get closer. With infinite patience, we got so close to this invisible skulker, I feared that taking a step might crush him. Had no idea until he popped out a few feet away that yellow rails either create tunnels beneath the sedge mat or use tunnels created by other small mammals. This fellow popped out like a mouse or a winter wren for a few seconds, took one look at us and disappeared. Appreciating the great honor bestowed upon us, actual visibility in broad daylight, we retreated."
Date: 7/31/18 7:55 am From: <fkaluza...> Subject: Fw: [birders] This insect is not a butterfly
Agreed! Thanks for the info folks. It’s clear that those with the attention and drive to suss-out birds are not limited to just one aspect of the world around us. Birders (by their very nature) seem to be studious, attentive, patient and curious folk. All admirable qualities I should say.
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Once again, ask the group a question and you get back an answer. You guys all ROCK!
Sally Scheer
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Sent: Monday, July 30, 2018 7:08 PM
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Subject: Re: [birders] This insect is not a butterfly
That is a Nicrophorus sp. probably N. defodiens
C Rickards
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Subject: [birders] This insect is not a butterfly
To: "Birders UM" <birders...>
Date: Tuesday, July 31, 2018, 12:46 AM
It was raking through the fur of a recently deceased mole on
the trail at the Sibley Prairie Preserve in Brownstown
Township Michigan last Tuesday. I also have a short
video if anyone wants it. I assume it’s a burying
beetle or carrion beetle of some kind but can’t find
anything on the internet that looks like it.
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Date: 7/31/18 3:41 am From: George Reasoner <ruddyduck37...> Subject: [birders] Injured Turkey
A friend of mine who is a raptor rehabbers suggests to try and get hold of Wildside Rehab in Eaton Rapids. (517) 663-6153 She does lots of different animals and would hopefully be able to help you out.
Date: 7/30/18 7:19 pm From: John Farmer <ajf-jlf...> Subject: (OT?)?RE: [birders] This insect is not a butterfly
All,
I hope everyone who has seen Fred's post and C's tentative ID of the beetle has by now found more information on this rare and interesting genus of insects. If not, below are several links that I encourage you to check out.
I've seen only two individuals from the genus, and unfortunately was unable to identify either to species. I collected the first for a 4-H insect collection 65 years ago in my then home area of Cass County, MI. I had no idea of the species' possible future status as an endangered species at the time and thus had no compunction about dropping it into my cyanide jar. The other was last summer on the edge of a rural road a half mile from my home west of Milan, MI, in Washtenaw County. I didn't have my camera with me, but knowing about its possible status, I left it on the dead animal it had found (I believe it was a least shrew, but don't have time to ferret out that note right now). I didn't have a chance to get back to it that evening, and by the next morning I was unable to find either the carcass or the beetle again, but assume the dead mammal had been transported off the packed gravel to the nearby ditch and buried. An online source that I read at that time but have been unable to find again tonight said that an N. americanus pair will often team up to crawl underneath the carcass, then turn onto their backs and in concert move their treasure to a place suitable for burial.
It was raking through the fur of a recently deceased mole on the trail at the Sibley Prairie Preserve in Brownstown Township Michigan last Tuesday. I also have a short video if anyone wants it. I assume it’s a burying beetle or carrion beetle of some kind but can’t find anything on the internet that looks like it.
Date: 7/30/18 7:17 pm From: John Farmer <ajf-jlf...> Subject: (OT?)?RE: [birders] This insect is not a butterfly
All,
I hope everyone who has seen Fred's post and C's tentative ID of the beetle has by now found more information on this rare and interesting genus of insects. If not, below are several links that I encourage you to check out.
I've seen only two individuals from the genus, and unfortunately was unable to identify either to species. I collected the first for a 4-H insect collection 65 years ago in my then home area of Cass County, MI. I had no idea of the species' possible future status as an endangered species at the time and thus had no compunction about dropping it into my cyanide jar. The other was last summer on the edge of a rural road a half mile from my home west of Milan, MI, in Washtenaw County. I didn't have my camera with me, but knowing about its possible status, I left it on the dead animal it had found (I believe it was a least shrew, but don't have time to ferret out that note right now). I didn't have a chance to get back to it that evening, and by the next morning I was unable to find either the carcass or the beetle again, but assume the dead mammal had been transported off the packed gravel to the nearby ditch and buried. An online source that I read at that time but have been unable to find again tonight said that an N. americanus pair will often team up to crawl underneath the carcass, then turn onto their backs and in concert move their treasure to a place suitable for burial.
Thanks much, Fred, for sharing your rare find!
John
From: <fkaluza...> <fkaluza...>
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2018 6:46 PM
To: Birders UM <birders...>
Subject: [birders] This insect is not a butterfly
It was raking through the fur of a recently deceased mole on the trail at the Sibley Prairie Preserve in Brownstown Township Michigan last Tuesday. I also have a short video if anyone wants it. I assume it’s a burying beetle or carrion beetle of some kind but can’t find anything on the internet that looks like it.
Date: 7/30/18 4:08 pm From: 'C Rickards' via Birders <birders...> Subject: Re: [birders] This insect is not a butterfly
That is a Nicrophorus sp. probably N. defodiens
C Rickards
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Subject: [birders] This insect is not a butterfly
To: "Birders UM" <birders...>
Date: Tuesday, July 31, 2018, 12:46 AM
It was raking through the fur of a recently deceased mole on
the trail at the Sibley Prairie Preserve in Brownstown
Township Michigan last Tuesday. I also have a short
video if anyone wants it. I assume it’s a burying
beetle or carrion beetle of some kind but can’t find
anything on the internet that looks like it.
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Date: 7/30/18 3:46 pm From: <fkaluza...> Subject: [birders] This insect is not a butterfly
It was raking through the fur of a recently deceased mole on the trail at the Sibley Prairie Preserve in Brownstown Township Michigan last Tuesday. I also have a short video if anyone wants it. I assume it’s a burying beetle or carrion beetle of some kind but can’t find anything on the internet that looks like it.
As far as I know, there are are no rehabbers in Wayne that can take a federally protected bird like a turkey. I work at the Bird Center of Washtenaw County, and when we get calls like that from Wayne folks, we have to refer people to Howell. If Howell is closed, there may be no other option. You could try to contact the local Humane Society to see if they can help at all. Otherwise there's not a lot that can be done, as far as I know...
On Mon, Jul 30, 2018, 12:01 PM 'Melissa Pappas' via Birders < <birders...> wrote:
> A friend of mine posted this to Facebook. If you can help, please contact > me and I will include your information in a private message to my friend, > Pam. > > Does anyone know ANYONE that can help an injured wild turkey? He has been > limping around for over a week at 6 Mile and Northville Road. He or She has > been hanging out under trees and limping up and down the side of the road. > I don't want to see him smashed in the road. I have tried the DNR and am > getting no where. I have tried the Howell Nature Center and just keep > getting a recording that they are full. Any idea how to get them to answer > the phone, or any other ideas would be appreciated. > > > *Melissa Pappas* > *Hamburg Township, Livingston County, MI* > > *Blog: **http://colmel.wordpress.com/ <http://colmel.wordpress.com/>* > > *"If a dog will not come to you after having looked you in the face, you > should go home and examine your conscience." ~ Woodrow Wilson * > > > > > > > -- > Birders is a service of the Great Lakes Commission. Visit us at > www.glc.org > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Birders" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to birders+<unsubscribe...> > To post to this group, send email to <birders...> > Visit this group at > https://groups.google.com/a/great-lakes.net/group/birders/. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/a/great-lakes.net/d/msgid/birders/<502064822.835051.1532966511602...> > <https://groups.google.com/a/great-lakes.net/d/msgid/birders/<502064822.835051.1532966511602...>?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > For more options, visit > https://groups.google.com/a/great-lakes.net/d/optout. >
Date: 7/30/18 9:01 am From: 'Melissa Pappas' via Birders <birders...> Subject: [birders] Injured Turkey
A friend of mine posted this to Facebook. If you can help, please contact me and I will include your information in a private message to my friend, Pam.
Does anyone know ANYONE that can help an injured wild turkey? He has been limping around for over a week at 6 Mile and Northville Road. He or She has been hanging out under trees and limping up and down the side of the road. I don't want to see him smashed in the road. I have tried the DNR and am getting no where. I have tried the Howell Nature Center and just keep getting a recording that they are full. Any idea how to get them to answer the phone, or any other ideas would be appreciated.
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Blog: http://colmel.wordpress.com/ "If a dog will not come to you after having looked you in the face, you should go home and examine your conscience." ~ Woodrow Wilson
Date: 7/30/18 8:21 am From: Thomas Shehan <shehant1971...> Subject: Re: [birders] black and whit warbler??
Good point Juliet. I was at Whitefish Point last Tues. and there were huge
numbers of Red-breasted Nuthatches there with many young birds, the most I
have ever seen at one time, so they are definitely moving back south
already.
Tom Shehan
On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 9:44 AM, NAPBirds <NAPBirds...> wrote:
> Also, young/hatch year female Red-breasted Nuthatches can have very little
> to no red on their breast. I’ve seen individuals in this plumage, in
> post-breeding dispersal, even in Southeast Michigan. So, your bird may be
> a Red-breasted Nuthatch after all!
>
> Good birding,
>
> Juliet Berger
>
>
>
> *From:* Thomas Shehan <shehant1971...>
> *Sent:* Sunday, July 29, 2018 8:10 PM
> *To:* <winerat...>
> *Cc:* birders <birders...>
> *Subject:* Re: [birders] black and whit warbler??
>
>
>
> I've seen several birds that normally eat insects peck at suet blocks
> occasionally. Bluebirds and Pine Warblers most often at my feeders.
>
>
>
> Tom Shehan
>
> Pinckney, MI
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jul 29, 2018 at 10:42 AM, Sally K. Scheer <
> <winerat...> wrote:
>
> I’ve been seeing a nuthatch sized bird with black and white striped head
> at the black sunflower feeder I hang from my porch light on the deck. It’s
> a very quick visit usually and too close to my seat at the computer to get
> a binocular to focus on it for details. My camera also has trouble with
> focus with a window pane in the way.
>
> The bird doesn’t seem happy with the seeds in the feeder and often goes
> instead to the smaller seed studded suet block on the same “station”. I
> thought it was a red breasted nuthatch (pretty common up here north of
> Rogers City on the shore of Lake Huron). HOWEVER, I never could see much in
> the way of a “red” breast. White breasted nuthatches don’t have the same
> head coloration and are less common up here too.
>
> The bird stayed at the feeder just a bit longer this morning and my
> curiosity was a bit stronger. I don’t know what made me think of
> warbler as a possible ID, but I browsed thru the warbler section of Sibley
> and hit on the black and white warbler picture with its description of “creeps
> like a nuthatch”
>
> Is it likely that a black and white warbler would visit a suet feeder
> studded with small seeds and / or a oil sunflower seed feeder hanging on a
> porch light??
>
> Sally Scheer
>
> Temporarily on the shore of Lake Huron north of Rogers City
>
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Date: 7/30/18 7:21 am From: Jack Smiley <jackrsmiley...> Subject: [birders] Tuttle Marsh
Yesterday afternoon, I saw the usual dozens of wading birds, but there were also four Trumpeter Swans, a half-dozen or so Northern Pintails, a Caspian Tern and an Osprey sitting on a nest. The Osprey was on the nesting platform at the southern end of the marsh. There wasn't much movement in the nest and I couldn't tell if young were in there, too.
Date: 7/30/18 7:02 am From: John Lowry <jlowry...> Subject: Re: [birders] 4 mile lake scope?
If seeing avocet is important to you, you should go quickly. In fact, I’m not sure they’re still there, but two days would be a very long time for avocets to stay in one spot in migration.
Scope will be better, but since they have that distinctive bill shape you’d probably be able to identify them even at a distance with binoculars. But yeah, shorebirds are always better with a scope.
Date: 7/30/18 7:00 am From: Alice Elliott <alelliot...> Subject: [birders] 4 mile lake scope?
Do you need a scope to see most of the stuff at Chelsea SGA 4mile lake? I'd like to go chase the avocet in a day or two but don't have a scope. Is it possible to see it just with binoculars?
Date: 7/30/18 6:44 am From: NAPBirds <NAPBirds...> Subject: RE: [birders] black and whit warbler??
Also, young/hatch year female Red-breasted Nuthatches can have very little to no red on their breast. I’ve seen individuals in this plumage, in post-breeding dispersal, even in Southeast Michigan. So, your bird may be a Red-breasted Nuthatch after all!
Good birding,
Juliet Berger
From: Thomas Shehan <shehant1971...>
Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2018 8:10 PM
To: <winerat...>
Cc: birders <birders...>
Subject: Re: [birders] black and whit warbler??
I've seen several birds that normally eat insects peck at suet blocks occasionally. Bluebirds and Pine Warblers most often at my feeders.
Tom Shehan
Pinckney, MI
On Sun, Jul 29, 2018 at 10:42 AM, Sally K. Scheer <winerat...><mailto:<winerat...>> wrote:
I’ve been seeing a nuthatch sized bird with black and white striped head at the black sunflower feeder I hang from my porch light on the deck. It’s a very quick visit usually and too close to my seat at the computer to get a binocular to focus on it for details. My camera also has trouble with focus with a window pane in the way.
The bird doesn’t seem happy with the seeds in the feeder and often goes instead to the smaller seed studded suet block on the same “station”. I thought it was a red breasted nuthatch (pretty common up here north of Rogers City on the shore of Lake Huron). HOWEVER, I never could see much in the way of a “red” breast. White breasted nuthatches don’t have the same head coloration and are less common up here too.
The bird stayed at the feeder just a bit longer this morning and my curiosity was a bit stronger. I don’t know what made me think of warbler as a possible ID, but I browsed thru the warbler section of Sibley and hit on the black and white warbler picture with its description of “creeps like a nuthatch”
Is it likely that a black and white warbler would visit a suet feeder studded with small seeds and / or a oil sunflower seed feeder hanging on a porch light??
Sally Scheer
Temporarily on the shore of Lake Huron north of Rogers City
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Date: 7/29/18 5:10 pm From: Thomas Shehan <shehant1971...> Subject: Re: [birders] black and whit warbler??
I've seen several birds that normally eat insects peck at suet blocks
occasionally. Bluebirds and Pine Warblers most often at my feeders.
Tom Shehan
Pinckney, MI
On Sun, Jul 29, 2018 at 10:42 AM, Sally K. Scheer <winerat...>
> wrote:
> I’ve been seeing a nuthatch sized bird with black and white striped head
> at the black sunflower feeder I hang from my porch light on the deck. It’s
> a very quick visit usually and too close to my seat at the computer to
> get a binocular to focus on it for details. My camera also has trouble
> with focus with a window pane in the way.
>
> The bird doesn’t seem happy with the seeds in the feeder and often goes
> instead to the smaller seed studded suet block on the same “station”. I
> thought it was a red breasted nuthatch (pretty common up here north of
> Rogers City on the shore of Lake Huron). HOWEVER, I never could see much
> in the way of a “red” breast. White breasted nuthatches don’t have the
> same head coloration and are less common up here too.
>
> The bird stayed at the feeder just a bit longer this morning and my
> curiosity was a bit stronger. I don’t know what made me think of
> warbler as a possible ID, but I browsed thru the warbler section of Sibley
> and hit on the black and white warbler picture with its description of “creeps
> like a nuthatch”
>
> Is it likely that a black and white warbler would visit a suet feeder
> studded with small seeds and / or a oil sunflower seed feeder hanging on a
> porch light??
>
> Sally Scheer
>
> Temporarily on the shore of Lake Huron north of Rogers City
>
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Date: 7/29/18 8:08 am From: 'P. swanson' via Birders <birders...> Subject: Re: [birders] Possible Frigatebird, Lake St Clair
I think there was a frigate bird reported at Lake St. Clair Metropark a couple of years ago. I remember being on the beach one day when I thought I saw one. I disregarded it because of it being unlikely and 2 days later someone else reported seeing it. They are very distinctive-looking.
Penny S.
> On Jul 29, 2018, at 7:35 AM, Rosann Kovalcik <rosannkovalcik...> wrote:
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> Why wasn’t I with you ? Darn.
>
>> On Jul 28, 2018, at 1:16 PM, 'Bill Rapai' via Birders <birders...> wrote:
>>
>> Birders:
>>
>> Just a few minutes ago I saw a possible frigatebird high over Lake St Clair near Grosse Pointe. It was headed north.
>>
>> Bill Rapai
>> On a boat in Lake St. Clair
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Date: 7/29/18 7:42 am From: Sally K. Scheer <winerat...> Subject: [birders] black and whit warbler??
I've been seeing a nuthatch sized bird with black and white striped head at the black sunflower feeder I hang from my porch light on the deck. It's a very quick visit usually and too close to my seat at the computer to get a binocular to focus on it for details. My camera also has trouble with focus with a window pane in the way.
The bird doesn't seem happy with the seeds in the feeder and often goes instead to the smaller seed studded suet block on the same "station". I thought it was a red breasted nuthatch (pretty common up here north of Rogers City on the shore of Lake Huron). HOWEVER, I never could see much in the way of a "red" breast. White breasted nuthatches don't have the same head coloration and are less common up here too.
The bird stayed at the feeder just a bit longer this morning and my curiosity was a bit stronger. I don't know what made me think of warbler as a possible ID, but I browsed thru the warbler section of Sibley and hit on the black and white warbler picture with its description of "creeps like a nuthatch"
Is it likely that a black and white warbler would visit a suet feeder studded with small seeds and / or a oil sunflower seed feeder hanging on a porch light??
Sally Scheer Temporarily on the shore of Lake Huron north of Rogers City
Date: 7/29/18 5:03 am From: baikalteal13 <baikalteal13...> Subject: [birders] White Pelicans
Just had four American White Pelicans flying high just west of my home headed south. Wow!
Don Burlett Oxford, MI
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Date: 7/29/18 4:35 am From: Rosann Kovalcik <rosannkovalcik...> Subject: Re: [birders] Possible Frigatebird, Lake St Clair
Why wasn’t I with you ? Darn.
> On Jul 28, 2018, at 1:16 PM, 'Bill Rapai' via Birders <birders...> wrote:
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