Date: 5/27/19 5:47 am From: 'P. swanson' via Birders <birders...> Subject: Re: [birders] Nighthawks at 11:15 a.m. .................and black-billed cuckoo at Riverbend Preserve
Maybe the fact that the number of insects in the world has been depleted by pesticides has made it imperative for them to hunt insects in the daytime, too, just to survive.
I have a pair of nesting song sparrows that seemingly spent the entire day yesterday just picking insects off of only my deck to feed their brood nearby. I haven’t sprayed my deck.
Penny
> On May 26, 2019, at 9:52 PM, Fred Kaluza <fkaluza...> wrote:
>
> Yes. Nighthawks heard over the Clinton River yesterday as well as today in Harrison Township. They (it) were/was low and therefore...LOUD.
>
> From: Ron Gamble <rongamble...>
> Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 18:21
> To: <birders...>
> Subject: [birders] Nighthawks at 11:15 a.m. .................and black-billed cuckoo at Riverbend Preserve
>
> Birders,
>
> Have any of you noted nighthawks flying in the day at this time of year?
>
> We were birding today at the Riverbend Preserve, in Washtenaw County ( but almost into Lenawee County, just a mile or so north of Clinton) and we noted at least 7 nighthawks flying fairly high overhead at 11:30 a.m. Birds were in the air, above the River Raisin.
>
> I got a good look seeing the white patches on the underside of the wings, and the pointed wings were unmistakable. We saw them once, they flew out of sight, but then we saw them again.
> We were surprised to see them this time of day, but the morning (surprise, surprise) was quite overcast and I wondered if this could be part of the reason. Like a barred owl calling at 2:00 pm on a gray day?
>
> Ebird questioned my observation, asking for more info than what I put in initially, and that ebird questioning made me wonder even more about this experience of seeing a group of nighthawks in a late morning flight.
>
> Thanks for any thoughts, or sharings or your experiences.
>
> Faye Stoner and Ron Gamble
>
> Also heard a black-billed cuckoo calling many times there from the parking lot,( and while on the field trail) and then we did see two cuckoos, one chasing the other.
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Date: 5/26/19 6:53 pm From: Fred Kaluza <fkaluza...> Subject: Re: [birders] Nighthawks at 11:15 a.m. .................and black-billed cuckoo at Riverbend Preserve
Yes. Nighthawks heard over the Clinton River yesterday as well as today in Harrison Township. They (it) were/was low and therefore...LOUD.
From: Ron Gamble <rongamble...>
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 18:21
To: <birders...>
Subject: [birders] Nighthawks at 11:15 a.m. .................and black-billed cuckoo at Riverbend Preserve
Birders,
Have any of you noted nighthawks flying in the day at this time of year?
We were birding today at the Riverbend Preserve, in Washtenaw County ( but almost into Lenawee County, just a mile or so north of Clinton) and we noted at least 7 nighthawks flying fairly high overhead at 11:30 a.m. Birds were in the air, above the River Raisin.
I got a good look seeing the white patches on the underside of the wings, and the pointed wings were unmistakable. We saw them once, they flew out of sight, but then we saw them again.
We were surprised to see them this time of day, but the morning (surprise, surprise) was quite overcast and I wondered if this could be part of the reason. Like a barred owl calling at 2:00 pm on a gray day?
Ebird questioned my observation, asking for more info than what I put in initially, and that ebird questioning made me wonder even more about this experience of seeing a group of nighthawks in a late morning flight.
Thanks for any thoughts, or sharings or your experiences.
Faye Stoner and Ron Gamble
Also heard a black-billed cuckoo calling many times there from the parking lot,( and while on the field trail) and then we did see two cuckoos, one chasing the other.
Date: 5/26/19 5:36 pm From: madxofaa <madxofaa...> Subject: Re: [birders] Nighthawks at 11:15 a.m. .................and black-billed cuckoo at Riverbend Preserve
It just so happens that I saw a Night Hawk today at 4pm on the south-west side of Michigan. I had just stepped outside and saw it long enough for a confident ID before the trees got in the way. Don't know if there were others before I came outside. But I suspected that I caught a quick glimpse of one in the same area a half-hour earlier (not recorded). So far no response from eBird. ..Bob
On Sun, May 26, 2019 at 6:21 PM Ron Gamble <rongamble...> wrote:
> Birders, > > > > Have any of you noted nighthawks flying in the day at this time of year? > > > > We were birding today at the Riverbend Preserve, in Washtenaw County ( but > almost into Lenawee County, just a mile or so north of Clinton) and we > noted at least 7 nighthawks flying fairly high overhead at 11:30 a.m. > Birds were in the air, above the River Raisin. > > > > I got a good look seeing the white patches on the underside of the wings, > and the pointed wings were unmistakable. We saw them once, they flew out > of sight, but then we saw them again. > > We were surprised to see them this time of day, but the morning (surprise, > surprise) was quite overcast and I wondered if this could be part of the > reason. Like a barred owl calling at 2:00 pm on a gray day? > > > > Ebird questioned my observation, asking for more info than what I put in > initially, and that ebird questioning made me wonder even more about this > experience of seeing a group of nighthawks in a late morning flight. > > > > Thanks for any thoughts, or sharings or your experiences. > > > > Faye Stoner and Ron Gamble > > > > Also heard a black-billed cuckoo calling many times there from the parking > lot,( and while on the field trail) and then we did see two cuckoos, one > chasing the other. > > -- > Birders is a service of the Great Lakes Commission. Visit us at > www.glc.org > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Birders" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to birders+<unsubscribe...> > To post to this group, send email to <birders...> > Visit this group at > https://groups.google.com/a/great-lakes.net/group/birders/. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/a/great-lakes.net/d/msgid/birders/004b01d51411%245c345230%24149cf690%24%40net > <https://groups.google.com/a/great-lakes.net/d/msgid/birders/004b01d51411%245c345230%24149cf690%24%40net?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > For more options, visit > https://groups.google.com/a/great-lakes.net/d/optout. >
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Date: 5/26/19 3:21 pm From: Ron Gamble <rongamble...> Subject: [birders] Nighthawks at 11:15 a.m. .................and black-billed cuckoo at Riverbend Preserve
Birders,
Have any of you noted nighthawks flying in the day at this time of year?
We were birding today at the Riverbend Preserve, in Washtenaw County ( but almost into Lenawee County, just a mile or so north of Clinton) and we noted at least 7 nighthawks flying fairly high overhead at 11:30 a.m. Birds were in the air, above the River Raisin.
I got a good look seeing the white patches on the underside of the wings, and the pointed wings were unmistakable. We saw them once, they flew out of sight, but then we saw them again.
We were surprised to see them this time of day, but the morning (surprise, surprise) was quite overcast and I wondered if this could be part of the reason. Like a barred owl calling at 2:00 pm on a gray day?
Ebird questioned my observation, asking for more info than what I put in initially, and that ebird questioning made me wonder even more about this experience of seeing a group of nighthawks in a late morning flight.
Thanks for any thoughts, or sharings or your experiences.
Faye Stoner and Ron Gamble
Also heard a black-billed cuckoo calling many times there from the parking lot,( and while on the field trail) and then we did see two cuckoos, one chasing the other.
Date: 5/26/19 10:56 am From: Tait, Mag <mtait...> Subject: [birders] OT peeping Tom Barred Owl, Washington.
Last night, one of the barred owls appeared to be looking into my daughter’s house.
This is near her birdfeeders where there are often rats visiting in the evening. Unbelievable!
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Date: 5/26/19 9:44 am From: aj.jeffrey <aj.jeffrey...> Subject: [birders] Re: ADMIN test
Bruce-
The only way for me to see posts from birders is to go to groups.google.com/a/great-lakes.net/forum. I can't see them from comcast.net.
Thanks
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From: Mike Goethe <michael.goethe...>
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 8:54:00 AM
To: Jean
Cc: Michigan Birders
Subject: Re: [birders] Orioles at the Feeder
My wife tells me that she saw an adult male Orchard this morning. I didn't get my glasses on fast enough to see it myself. So we now have at least six Baltimores and two individual Orchards...that we know of.
On Sun, May 26, 2019, 6:49 AM Jean <jeanmketchum...><mailto:<jeanmketchum...>> wrote:
I live in southwest Michigan. The last three years I have had orchard orioles. This year the female is at my feeder.
Along with the three pairs of Baltimore Orioles visiting our feeders regularly, this morning a First Summer Male Orchard Oriole was sharing the feeder with a female Baltimore. We haven't had an Orchard Oriole in the yard in at least ten years.
Date: 5/26/19 6:15 am From: 'Mike Sefton' via Birders <birders...> Subject: [birders] Fwd: Heads up on Zeiss repairs
Begin forwarded message:
> From: "C or M Johnstone" <anhinga...>
> Date: May 26, 2019 at 7:21:30 AM EDT
> To: "<nflbirds...>" <nflbirds...>, "birdnet" <birdnet...>
> Subject: Heads up on Zeiss repairs
> Reply-To: <anhinga...>
>
> With birding's quiet season coming up, folks may be considering sending optics in for necessary repairs. If you own Zeiss equipment, be aware that they are in the process of moving their North American repair facility from NY to KY and repairs are significantly delayed. I sent my Victory bins in after reviewing their website instructions and talking on the phone to a repair rep. Neither the website nor the rep informed me of the move and the delays. They received the bins on May 9 and in an email on May 23 they told me they were sending the bins to Germany for repair and that the process would take 8-10 weeks.
>
> I'm quite miffed that Zeiss didn't make me aware of the delays when I made arrangements to mail them in, so I'm passing this along so others know what to expect. Matt
>
Date: 5/26/19 5:54 am From: Mike Goethe <michael.goethe...> Subject: Re: [birders] Orioles at the Feeder
My wife tells me that she saw an adult male Orchard this morning. I didn't get my glasses on fast enough to see it myself. So we now have at least six Baltimores and two individual Orchards...that we know of.
On Sun, May 26, 2019, 6:49 AM Jean <jeanmketchum...> wrote:
Date: 5/26/19 3:49 am From: 'Jean' via Birders <birders...> Subject: Re: [birders] Orioles at the Feeder
I live in southwest Michigan. The last three years I have had orchard orioles. This year the female is at my feeder.
Sent from my iPhone
> On May 25, 2019, at 11:27 AM, Mike Goethe <michael.goethe...> wrote: > > Along with the three pairs of Baltimore Orioles visiting our feeders regularly, this morning a First Summer Male Orchard Oriole was sharing the feeder with a female Baltimore. We haven't had an Orchard Oriole in the yard in at least ten years. > > -- > Mike Goethe > Rochester Hills, MI > > -- > Birders is a service of the Great Lakes Commission. Visit us at www.glc.org > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Birders" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to birders+<unsubscribe...> > To post to this group, send email to <birders...> > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/a/great-lakes.net/group/birders/. > To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/a/great-lakes.net/d/msgid/birders/CAHwH0c%2BBcfP0FE-uB7B3LRQK_cF4PmxyDTOv5h%<3DbE9wdgtUceA...> > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/a/great-lakes.net/d/optout.
Date: 5/25/19 9:03 am From: Allen Chartier <amazilia3...> Subject: Re: [birders] Bird Pics
Arthur,
I saw the message and nice photos both times you sent them.
And Fred, just an update on hummingbird activity. A female that I banded at Lake St. Clair Metropark yesterday was carrying significant fat, and weighed more than 4 grams. Normal weight of non-migrant females is 3.2 to 3.6, so she was clearly a migrant or just arrived breeder. It is a reminder that not all individuals of a species are necessarily at the same point in their annual cycle.
On Sat, May 25, 2019, 11:46 AM Fred Kaluza <fkaluza...> wrote:
Date: 5/25/19 8:28 am From: Mike Goethe <michael.goethe...> Subject: [birders] Orioles at the Feeder
Along with the three pairs of Baltimore Orioles visiting our feeders regularly, this morning a First Summer Male Orchard Oriole was sharing the feeder with a female Baltimore. We haven't had an Orchard Oriole in the yard in at least ten years.
Date: 5/25/19 5:14 am From: RICHARD WOLINSKI <rawolinski...> Subject: Re: [birders] Reminder to please use eBird Hotspots when submitting data
All,
The issue of hot spots and their use has been a minor irritant for a while now. And at times more than that. I've made standardizing my own personal locations nomenclature a priority since I tend to bird using ten-minute point counts at specific locations.
I break down my geographic units at a quarter section, and name them accordingly (SW = southwest, NW= northwest,etc.). To this I add the township name and section- hence observations are provided as Scio Sec. 07, SW, along with a short descriptor to make it unique- Baker Road. Any observations I make with Section 7 of Scio Twp regardless of the road I'm on can be assigned without having to guess to that specific section at a minimum. Finally I start the entire location with the county- Washtenaw Baker Road Scio Sec. 07 SW, or Washtenaw 2450 Baker Road, Scio Sec. 07 NW for a more precise location name. This eliminates any guessing on my part, and I hope on the part of
potential users if the data.
As others have already suggested. Not everyone chooses to be accurate when plotting a location for their observations.There have even been instances where I have given someone the location of an unusual bird and later found that the observation type was not used correctly. The individual was conducting a count at a specific spot and later it the bird I reported to him and he went to see was included- the location was more than a mile away!
In another instance I had been conducting observations at a small lake for over ten years. These data were being input to eBird as I had time. Someone later turned the lake into a hot spot after two visits there and then didn't do anything else with the site. What do I do now? Subsume my standardized observational data set under the hot spot or maintain my own personal location? Guess what I elected to do.
The potential use of eBird data to aid location conservation and management decisions is great. But only if the data can be tied to geographical locations of interest. I recognize recreational birders are not scientists, but somehow they need to be made aware that providing precise locations or the route taken on a traveling count are a godsend to someone wanting to make use of their observations in the future.
The need to standardize the hot spot nomenclature has not been discussed in this manner for a long time and it is nice to see it brought to the list-serve members. The only other time I have spoken about it was years ago when Juliet asked for everyone to use the hot spots to enter their observations. I mentioned at that time I would use those whenever possible, not to the exclusion of my own personal locations when it make sense to protect a data set.
Date: 5/24/19 11:39 pm From: Phil Bugosh <peb729...> Subject: [birders] Reminder: OAS Field Trip Sunday, May 26, Oak Openings Metropark
Sunday May 26, 2019, 8:00am-12:00pm. Oak Openings Metropark. Leader: Dan
Gertiser(<dangertiser...>)
After the rush of spring migration we will slow down and enjoy one of the
area’s premier birding spots. Lark Sparrow, Blue Grosbeak and Summer
Tanagers will be a few of the target species we will look for as we explore
this gem of the Toledo Metropark system. Breeding birds should be in full
song so we can all enjoy birding by ear. Meet at the nature center. Plan on
having mosquito repellant, and take precautions for ticks. There are modern
bathroom facilities at the nature center. 4139 Girdham Rd, Swanton, OH 43558
Please see our website (http://www.oaklandaudubon.org) for details about
upcoming field trips, meetings and the Young Birder's Club. Contact the
field trip leaders if you have additional questions. You do not have to be
a member to participate. Everyone is welcome.
Date: 5/24/19 6:06 pm From: Patrick Baize <pkbaize...> Subject: [birders] the problem with e-bird
A perfect example with e-bird problems is the White-eyed Vireo in Hi-Land the mark is right in the middle of a lake!!! What good is that?? Pat B. Howell, Michigan
Date: 5/24/19 10:21 am From: 'michael wells' via Birders <birders...> Subject: [birders] Cerulean Warbler at Indian Springs
Hello all,
As of this past Wednesday evening the Cerulean continues between the 1.75 and 2.0 hike/bike pathway mile markers. Singing high in the treetops once again. I will report over the weekend if I can find it there again. Best of Regards, Michael Wells, LIC
6481 Springfield Ln.
Clarkston, Mi. 48346
248-625-3089
Date: 5/24/19 8:29 am From: <waynef...> Subject: [birders] Boundaries of eBird hotspots
It does seem like the area of an eBird hotspot is often vague. For instance, for the Chelsea SGA 4 mile lake spot, is the stretch of Lima Center road that goes through private land east of the game area part of it? For the Dexter B2B trail spot, is the extension of the B2B to the Dexter cemetery part of it?
Do we report any bird we saw when we were in that area, even if the bird was not? For instance, if I am at a nature preserve, do the Sandhill Cranes that are in the field beside it get included? I think that most birders would include it, but for a parks survey maybe it shouldn't be.
We could probably improve the usefulness of eBird reports if we included a comment about where in the hotspot the bird was for notable sightings, but it's easy to be lazy about that.
No change here. Dueling hummers still a regular thing, both make and female.
Penny
> On May 23, 2019, at 9:08 PM, Fred Kaluza <fkaluza...> wrote:
>
> Cool beans. Thanks Allen. Meanwhile, I’ll keep looking for the males. Maybe when females DO visit, they come less frequently but stay longer on each visit to “top-off” their tanks?
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, May 23, 2019 at 9:01 PM -0400, "Allen Chartier" <amazilia3...> wrote:
>
>> Fred,
>>
>> Females should be starting to incubate eggs now, though some are likely still building nests. This will result in less frequent feeder visits. Another drop in activity occurs once the young are older and nearly ready to fledge as the females are very busy feeding them. Also in mid-summer, additional nectar sources become available in the wild, so hummers tend to disperse a bit at that time too.
>>
>> Allen T. Chartier
>> Inkster, Michigan
>> Email: <amazilia3...>
>> Photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/mihummingbirdguy/collections/ >> Website: www.amazilia.net
>> Blog: http://mihummingbirdguy.blogspot.com/ >>
>>
>>
>>> On Thu, May 23, 2019 at 8:38 PM Bruce Tanner <bet110...> wrote:
>>> They seem to have slowed here too, Frank, but they is still activity.
>>>
>>> Not sure what you use for feeders, but my M-in-law has had that happen a few times. She had one of the new, craft feeders, which are quite attractive, but I found they easily develop an air lock which prevents the nectar from flowing into the feeders. When I tipped it up to burp it the nectar flowed again and birds returned. You might look at that situation if your feeder is apt to function like that.
>>>
>>>
>>> -B
>>>
>>>> On May 23, 2019, at 8:10 PM, Fred Kaluza <fkaluza...> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I had pretty regular visitation until about three days ago. Since then, nothing (that I’ve seen). Could it be that females are on eggs now or have both males and females changed their dietary preferences to insects sans nectar in preparation for breeding?
>>>>
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Date: 5/23/19 7:05 pm From: Juliet Berger <juliet.berger...> Subject: [birders] Last Tuesday Evening Birders, May 28th 6pm
Hello Birders and Friends,
Tuesday Evening Birders update for May 28th, 2019. Grassland Birds with Dan
Sparks-Jackson. Meet at the Meijer parking lot, on Zeeb and Jackson at 6:00
pm. We’ll be at the northeast corner of the parking lot. We'll have
tailgates up so you'll be able to spot us! Be prepared for moderately hilly
walking, in tall grass. Please offer the caravan drivers some $ to defray
costs. And make sure Dan knows how much you appreciate his leadership and
all the great birds. I hope to see you there!!
Juliet Berger
Thanks Bruce. Mine is a big shallow bowl with a cover with holes through it. Easy to clean, refill and not subject to acting hinky. Not super attractive to the human eye but very functional. It’s worked for ten years or more. The plastic is getting faded and brittle but it still works with a little care. I have others but they are all of that same type after having tried everything else.
On Thu, May 23, 2019 at 8:38 PM -0400, "Bruce Tanner" <bet110...> wrote:
They seem to have slowed here too, Frank, but they is still activity.
Not sure what you use for feeders, but my M-in-law has had that happen a few times. She had one of the new, craft feeders, which are quite attractive, but I found they easily develop an air lock which prevents the nectar from flowing into the feeders. When I tipped it up to burp it the nectar flowed again and birds returned. You might look at that situation if your feeder is apt to function like that.
-B
On May 23, 2019, at 8:10 PM, Fred Kaluza <fkaluza...> wrote:
I had pretty regular visitation until about three days ago. Since then, nothing (that I’ve seen). Could it be that females are on eggs now or have both males and females changed their dietary preferences to insects sans nectar in preparation for breeding?
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Cool beans. Thanks Allen. Meanwhile, I’ll keep looking for the males. Maybe when females DO visit, they come less frequently but stay longer on each visit to “top-off” their tanks?
On Thu, May 23, 2019 at 9:01 PM -0400, "Allen Chartier" <amazilia3...> wrote:
Fred,
Females should be starting to incubate eggs now, though some are likely still building nests. This will result in less frequent feeder visits. Another drop in activity occurs once the young are older and nearly ready to fledge as the females are very busy feeding them. Also in mid-summer, additional nectar sources become available in the wild, so hummers tend to disperse a bit at that time too.
Allen T. Chartier
Inkster, Michigan
Email: <amazilia3...>
Photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/mihummingbirdguy/collections/ Website: www.amazilia.net
Blog: http://mihummingbirdguy.blogspot.com/
On Thu, May 23, 2019 at 8:38 PM Bruce Tanner <bet110...> wrote:
They seem to have slowed here too, Frank, but they is still activity.
Not sure what you use for feeders, but my M-in-law has had that happen a few times. She had one of the new, craft feeders, which are quite attractive, but I found they easily develop an air lock which prevents the nectar from flowing into the feeders. When I tipped it up to burp it the nectar flowed again and birds returned. You might look at that situation if your feeder is apt to function like that.
-B
On May 23, 2019, at 8:10 PM, Fred Kaluza <fkaluza...> wrote:
I had pretty regular visitation until about three days ago. Since then, nothing (that I’ve seen). Could it be that females are on eggs now or have both males and females changed their dietary preferences to insects sans nectar in preparation for breeding?
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Females should be starting to incubate eggs now, though some are likely
still building nests. This will result in less frequent feeder visits.
Another drop in activity occurs once the young are older and nearly ready
to fledge as the females are very busy feeding them. Also in mid-summer,
additional nectar sources become available in the wild, so hummers tend to
disperse a bit at that time too.
They seem to have slowed here too, Frank, but they is still activity.
Not sure what you use for feeders, but my M-in-law has had that happen a few times. She had one of the new, craft feeders, which are quite attractive, but I found they easily develop an air lock which prevents the nectar from flowing into the feeders. When I tipped it up to burp it the nectar flowed again and birds returned. You might look at that situation if your feeder is apt to function like that.
-B
> On May 23, 2019, at 8:10 PM, Fred Kaluza <fkaluza...> wrote:
>
> I had pretty regular visitation until about three days ago. Since then, nothing (that I’ve seen). Could it be that females are on eggs now or have both males and females changed their dietary preferences to insects sans nectar in preparation for breeding?
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I had pretty regular visitation until about three days ago. Since then, nothing (that I’ve seen). Could it be that females are on eggs now or have both males and females changed their dietary preferences to insects sans nectar in preparation for breeding?
Date: 5/22/19 10:58 am From: Juliet Berger <juliet.berger...> Subject: Re: [birders] Reminder to please use eBird Hotspots when submitting data
All eBird checklists have an associated map. That will show us where the
hotspot or personal location is located.
I am specifically asking for Hotspot use in Ann Arbor Parks, but also other
areas of the state. When compiling breeding bird data for our Ann Arbor
Breeding Bird Survey, Hotspots make my job much easier.
Thanks for all the input.
Best,
Juliet
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On Wed, May 22, 2019 at 1:55 PM 'Melissa Pappas' via Birders <
<birders...> wrote:
> I've been reading this thread with great interest. Actually, my home is a
> "hot spot." It's entitled "stakeout- White eared hummingbird." It does add
> our address, but it seems odd to have our home considered a "hot spot." BTW
> - I am not the person who named it thus.
>
>
> *Melissa Pappas*
> *Hamburg Township, Livingston County, MI*
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, May 22, 2019, 11:42:41 AM EDT, Allen Chartier <
> <amazilia3...> wrote:
>
>
> Bill and others,
>
> Just my own 2 cents on this issue of hotspots and "precise" locations. I
> agree that a hotspot makes more sense as a frequently visited location, and
> will often be a trail or loop that is a mile or more in length. Trying to
> enter GPS coordinates for every single bird within that location, for me,
> falls into the "annoying" category mentioned by someone else. For another
> example, I have been working on locating eBird reports of Rufous
> Hummingbirds in Michigan, Ohio, and Indiana, many of which I've banded over
> the past couple of decades. In many cases I have the advantage of having
> the exact address in my files, which some birders might not save. What I am
> finding is that these personal locations are often clustered in an area
> around the homes where the birds were reported (up to 2-dozen observers),
> but typically only a very few (one or two) will place their marker ON the
> home. In a few cases, these personal locations are a mile away from the
> actual location! Sometimes, locations are consolidated into a hotspot that
> is named something like "Rufous Hummingbird stakeout", which provides
> little information and used repeatedly within the same state. My preference
> would be to at least include the township in the location name. And lastly,
> I can tell you from personal experience, that locations that are the name
> of a road only drives us bonkers. What state, county, or township is it in?
> What section of the road, which can often run for many miles (and cross
> county lines) is included in the location?
>
> Allen T. Chartier
> Inkster, Michigan
> Email: <amazilia3...>
> Photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/mihummingbirdguy/collections/ > Website: www.amazilia.net
> Blog: http://mihummingbirdguy.blogspot.com/ >
>
>
>
> On Wed, May 22, 2019 at 10:51 AM thewdata_sa via Birders <
> <birders...> wrote:
>
> My previous criticism of “hotspots” comes from my experience some years
> back when I was attempting to upload sightings from the Texas coast.
> Recollection is that Anahuac and the Valley were particular irritants. At
> the time I personally found eBird to be more troublesome than I had
> patience for and largely stopped uploading data.
>
> On the assumption that there is a database (MYSQL?) underlying eBird, I
> never understood why a descriptive field wasn’t added and linked to
> “hotspots”. It might go some way to clarifying the intended
> ecological/geographical scope. Changing existing user interfaces to follow
> changes in database structure is often a nightmare, but this one should be
> relatively straight forward to retrofit.
>
> William Foxboro’s comments deftly articulated and expanded my thoughts.
> To me, “hotspot” implies a specific location of widespread acceptance and
> repeated use within the community. In practice, in addition to the
> previously described issues with location identity, eBird ends up having so
> called “hotspots” with only a few sightings on one date.
>
> For an example of a geographically precise system, see the Southern
> African Bird Atlas Project ( SABAP2) developed at University of Cape Town.
> It uses unequivocal pentads and the last time I looked, the birding
> community had posted over 10 million records. This must simplify data
> analysis.
>
> I appreciate seeing Caleb Putnam step up on behalf of eBird, but in the
> past I’ve forwarded queries and comments on hotspot and data mapping
> issues and like others, never got a response. In eBird defense, I’m sure
> it’s a matter of too many questions and not enough volunteer time.
>
> Also thanks to Juliet Berger for offering to assist.
>
> I’m all vented out.
>
> Cheers everyone,
> Bill Butler
>
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Date: 5/22/19 10:55 am From: 'Melissa Pappas' via Birders <birders...> Subject: Re: [birders] Reminder to please use eBird Hotspots when submitting data
I've been reading this thread with great interest. Actually, my home is a "hot spot." It's entitled "stakeout- White eared hummingbird." It does add our address, but it seems odd to have our home considered a "hot spot." BTW - I am not the person who named it thus.
Melissa PappasHamburg Township, Livingston County, MI
On Wednesday, May 22, 2019, 11:42:41 AM EDT, Allen Chartier <amazilia3...> wrote:
Bill and others,
Just my own 2 cents on this issue of hotspots and "precise" locations. I agree that a hotspot makes more sense as a frequently visited location, and will often be a trail or loop that is a mile or more in length. Trying to enter GPS coordinates for every single bird within that location, for me, falls into the "annoying" category mentioned by someone else. For another example, I have been working on locating eBird reports of Rufous Hummingbirds in Michigan, Ohio, and Indiana, many of which I've banded over the past couple of decades. In many cases I have the advantage of having the exact address in my files, which some birders might not save. What I am finding is that these personal locations are often clustered in an area around the homes where the birds were reported (up to 2-dozen observers), but typically only a very few (one or two) will place their marker ON the home. In a few cases, these personal locations are a mile away from the actual location! Sometimes, locations are consolidated into a hotspot that is named something like "Rufous Hummingbird stakeout", which provides little information and used repeatedly within the same state. My preference would be to at least include the township in the location name. And lastly, I can tell you from personal experience, that locations that are the name of a road only drives us bonkers. What state, county, or township is it in? What section of the road, which can often run for many miles (and cross county lines) is included in the location?
On Wed, May 22, 2019 at 10:51 AM thewdata_sa via Birders <birders...> wrote:
My previous criticism of “hotspots” comes from my experience some years back when I was attempting to upload sightings from the Texas coast. Recollection is that Anahuac and the Valley were particular irritants. At the time I personally found eBird to be more troublesome than I had patience for and largely stopped uploading data.
On the assumption that there is a database (MYSQL?) underlying eBird, I never understood why a descriptive field wasn’t added and linked to “hotspots”. It might go some way to clarifying the intended ecological/geographical scope. Changing existing user interfaces to follow changes in database structure is often a nightmare, but this one should be relatively straight forward to retrofit.
William Foxboro’s comments deftly articulated and expanded my thoughts. To me, “hotspot” implies a specific location of widespread acceptance and repeated use within the community. In practice, in addition to the previously described issues with location identity, eBird ends up having so called “hotspots” with only a few sightings on one date.
For an example of a geographically precise system, see the Southern African Bird Atlas Project ( SABAP2) developed at University of Cape Town. It uses unequivocal pentads and the last time I looked, the birding community had posted over 10 million records. This must simplify data analysis.
I appreciate seeing Caleb Putnam step up on behalf of eBird, but in the past I’ve forwarded queries and comments on hotspot and data mapping issues and like others, never got a response. In eBird defense, I’m sure it’s a matter of too many questions and not enough volunteer time.
Also thanks to Juliet Berger for offering to assist.
Date: 5/22/19 10:22 am From: Laurent Fournier <poecile.cinctus...> Subject: Re: [birders] Reminder to please use eBird Hotspots when submitting data
Caleb
As far as you know, is there any chance that Ebird might one day allow mother-daughter relation for spots and hot spots? I sometimes wish I could do a point count in a specific location of an area (example a 10 mn count on the boardwalk of Kensington metro park) that would still count for the hotspot of the area.
I know there was talks about it a few years ago. Any inside information that you might have?
Laurent
On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 6:30 PM Caleb Putnam <caleb.putnam...> wrote:
> Bill/Juliet et al.- > > I manage Michigan's eBird hotspots, and wanted to toss in that eBird > hotspots are a living document, and that I always solicit user input > hotspot names, locations, and potentially duplicative hotspots in need of > deletion. If you have specific examples of hotspots to delete, rename, add, > or edit in any other way, please email me at this address and we'll get > things cleaned up. > > Thanks, > Caleb Putnam > https://teamebirdmichigan.wordpress.com/ > Team eBird Michigan Facebook group: > https://www.facebook.com/groups/422922394584052/ > > On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 10:24 PM thewdata_sa via Birders < > <birders...> wrote: > >> Any advice on how to select from what is often a confusing morass of >> similarly named, undescribed, undelineated and potentially overlapping >> hotspots? There isn't a lack of hotspots - there is a shortage of hotspot >> specificity, hence the metasticizing number of them. >> >> Cheers, >> Bill Butler >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Tuesday, May 21, 2019, 1:12:59 AM UTC, Juliet Berger < >> <juliet.berger...> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> Hello Birders and Friends,Please use Hotspots where available, rather >> than your own personal locations. If there is no Hotspot where you are >> birding, then of course use personal locations. It is much easier for >> eBird, researchers and average birders to find and use your data if it is >> all in one spot, in frequently birded areas..Thanks, and good >> birding.Juliet BergerWashtenaw Audubon >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Birders is a service of the Great Lakes Commission. Visit us at >> www.glc.org >> >> --- >> >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Birders" group. >> >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to birders+<unsubscribe...> >> >> To post to this group, send email to <birders...> >> >> Visit this group at >> https://groups.google.com/a/great-lakes.net/group/birders/. >> >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/a/great-lakes.net/d/msgid/birders/CABVs24JYgTp%3D4%2BL%2B062O4%3DnmJdEyo5GeC-i0CPSXR-r_a%<2BwPuQ...> >> . >> >> For more options, visit >> https://groups.google.com/a/great-lakes.net/d/optout. >> >> -- >> Birders is a service of the Great Lakes Commission. Visit us at >> www.glc.org >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Birders" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to birders+<unsubscribe...> >> To post to this group, send email to <birders...> >> Visit this group at >> https://groups.google.com/a/great-lakes.net/group/birders/. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/a/great-lakes.net/d/msgid/birders/<1500169552.2056396.1558405464474...> >> . >> For more options, visit >> https://groups.google.com/a/great-lakes.net/d/optout. > > >> > > -- > Caleb G. Putnam > Caledonia, MI > <caleb.putnam...> > Team eBird Michigan Facebook group: > https://www.facebook.com/groups/422922394584052/ > > -- > Birders is a service of the Great Lakes Commission. Visit us at > www.glc.org > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Birders" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to birders+<unsubscribe...> > To post to this group, send email to <birders...> > Visit this group at > https://groups.google.com/a/great-lakes.net/group/birders/. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/a/great-lakes.net/d/msgid/birders/CAA77rNiSRfpk%3D0dsy9_9bNnjq_SWBarJ3_0jE11QKH%<2BTLVeWQw...> > <https://groups.google.com/a/great-lakes.net/d/msgid/birders/CAA77rNiSRfpk%3D0dsy9_9bNnjq_SWBarJ3_0jE11QKH%<2BTLVeWQw...>?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > For more options, visit > https://groups.google.com/a/great-lakes.net/d/optout. >
Date: 5/22/19 8:42 am From: Allen Chartier <amazilia3...> Subject: Re: [birders] Reminder to please use eBird Hotspots when submitting data
Bill and others,
Just my own 2 cents on this issue of hotspots and "precise" locations. I
agree that a hotspot makes more sense as a frequently visited location, and
will often be a trail or loop that is a mile or more in length. Trying to
enter GPS coordinates for every single bird within that location, for me,
falls into the "annoying" category mentioned by someone else. For another
example, I have been working on locating eBird reports of Rufous
Hummingbirds in Michigan, Ohio, and Indiana, many of which I've banded over
the past couple of decades. In many cases I have the advantage of having
the exact address in my files, which some birders might not save. What I am
finding is that these personal locations are often clustered in an area
around the homes where the birds were reported (up to 2-dozen observers),
but typically only a very few (one or two) will place their marker ON the
home. In a few cases, these personal locations are a mile away from the
actual location! Sometimes, locations are consolidated into a hotspot that
is named something like "Rufous Hummingbird stakeout", which provides
little information and used repeatedly within the same state. My preference
would be to at least include the township in the location name. And lastly,
I can tell you from personal experience, that locations that are the name
of a road only drives us bonkers. What state, county, or township is it in?
What section of the road, which can often run for many miles (and cross
county lines) is included in the location?
On Wed, May 22, 2019 at 10:51 AM thewdata_sa via Birders <
<birders...> wrote:
> My previous criticism of “hotspots” comes from my experience some years
> back when I was attempting to upload sightings from the Texas coast.
> Recollection is that Anahuac and the Valley were particular irritants. At
> the time I personally found eBird to be more troublesome than I had
> patience for and largely stopped uploading data.
>
> On the assumption that there is a database (MYSQL?) underlying eBird, I
> never understood why a descriptive field wasn’t added and linked to
> “hotspots”. It might go some way to clarifying the intended
> ecological/geographical scope. Changing existing user interfaces to follow
> changes in database structure is often a nightmare, but this one should be
> relatively straight forward to retrofit.
>
> William Foxboro’s comments deftly articulated and expanded my thoughts.
> To me, “hotspot” implies a specific location of widespread acceptance and
> repeated use within the community. In practice, in addition to the
> previously described issues with location identity, eBird ends up having so
> called “hotspots” with only a few sightings on one date.
>
> For an example of a geographically precise system, see the Southern
> African Bird Atlas Project ( SABAP2) developed at University of Cape Town.
> It uses unequivocal pentads and the last time I looked, the birding
> community had posted over 10 million records. This must simplify data
> analysis.
>
> I appreciate seeing Caleb Putnam step up on behalf of eBird, but in the
> past I’ve forwarded queries and comments on hotspot and data mapping
> issues and like others, never got a response. In eBird defense, I’m sure
> it’s a matter of too many questions and not enough volunteer time.
>
> Also thanks to Juliet Berger for offering to assist.
>
> I’m all vented out.
>
> Cheers everyone,
> Bill Butler
>
> --
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> www.glc.org
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Date: 5/22/19 7:51 am From: thewdata_sa via Birders <birders...> Subject: Re: [birders] Reminder to please use eBird Hotspots when submitting data
My previous criticism of “hotspots” comes from my experience some years back when I was attempting to upload sightings from the Texas coast. Recollection is that Anahuac and the Valley were particular irritants. At the time I personally found eBird to be more troublesome than I had patience for and largely stopped uploading data.
On the assumption that there is a database (MYSQL?) underlying eBird, I never understood why a descriptive field wasn’t added and linked to “hotspots”. It might go some way to clarifying the intended ecological/geographical scope. Changing existing user interfaces to follow changes in database structure is often a nightmare, but this one should be relatively straight forward to retrofit.
William Foxboro’s comments deftly articulated and expanded my thoughts. To me, “hotspot” implies a specific location of widespread acceptance and repeated use within the community. In practice, in addition to the previously described issues with location identity, eBird ends up having so called “hotspots” with only a few sightings on one date.
For an example of a geographically precise system, see the Southern African Bird Atlas Project ( SABAP2) developed at University of Cape Town. It uses unequivocal pentads and the last time I looked, the birding community had posted over 10 million records. This must simplify data analysis.
I appreciate seeing Caleb Putnam step up on behalf of eBird, but in the past I’ve forwarded queries and comments on hotspot and data mapping issues and like others, never got a response. In eBird defense, I’m sure it’s a matter of too many questions and not enough volunteer time.
Also thanks to Juliet Berger for offering to assist.
Date: 5/21/19 3:30 pm From: Caleb Putnam <caleb.putnam...> Subject: Re: [birders] Reminder to please use eBird Hotspots when submitting data
Bill/Juliet et al.-
I manage Michigan's eBird hotspots, and wanted to toss in that eBird hotspots are a living document, and that I always solicit user input hotspot names, locations, and potentially duplicative hotspots in need of deletion. If you have specific examples of hotspots to delete, rename, add, or edit in any other way, please email me at this address and we'll get things cleaned up.
On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 10:24 PM thewdata_sa via Birders < <birders...> wrote:
> Any advice on how to select from what is often a confusing morass of > similarly named, undescribed, undelineated and potentially overlapping > hotspots? There isn't a lack of hotspots - there is a shortage of hotspot > specificity, hence the metasticizing number of them. > > Cheers, > Bill Butler > > > > > > > > > On Tuesday, May 21, 2019, 1:12:59 AM UTC, Juliet Berger < > <juliet.berger...> wrote: > > > > > > Hello Birders and Friends,Please use Hotspots where available, rather > than your own personal locations. If there is no Hotspot where you are > birding, then of course use personal locations. It is much easier for > eBird, researchers and average birders to find and use your data if it is > all in one spot, in frequently birded areas..Thanks, and good > birding.Juliet BergerWashtenaw Audubon > > > > > > -- > > Birders is a service of the Great Lakes Commission. Visit us at > www.glc.org > > --- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Birders" group. > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to birders+<unsubscribe...> > > To post to this group, send email to <birders...> > > Visit this group at > https://groups.google.com/a/great-lakes.net/group/birders/. > > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/a/great-lakes.net/d/msgid/birders/CABVs24JYgTp%3D4%2BL%2B062O4%3DnmJdEyo5GeC-i0CPSXR-r_a%<2BwPuQ...> > . > > For more options, visit > https://groups.google.com/a/great-lakes.net/d/optout. > > -- > Birders is a service of the Great Lakes Commission. Visit us at > www.glc.org > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Birders" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to birders+<unsubscribe...> > To post to this group, send email to <birders...> > Visit this group at > https://groups.google.com/a/great-lakes.net/group/birders/. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/a/great-lakes.net/d/msgid/birders/<1500169552.2056396.1558405464474...> > . > For more options, visit > https://groups.google.com/a/great-lakes.net/d/optout. >
Date: 5/21/19 3:10 pm From: 'Suzanne (Moses) Vedder' via Birders <birders...> Subject: Re: [birders] Reminder to please use eBird Hotspots when sub
I agree with your post. In fact, I thought that individual sightings with accurate locations determined hotspots. I haven't used ebird and rare bird alerts much, but when I went to AZ in February I wanted to know where to find the White-throated Thrush. There weren't many specifics, just Proctor Rd, Madera Canyon. I relied on the birders I encountered when I arrived to point me in the right direction. When I reported my sighting I used the GPS coordinates and a specific description of the area so other birders might not waste time in the wrong area. AZ local Ebird reps contacted me and wanted me to use the hotspot. I respectfully requested a reason why. I didn't get an answer and so I never changed it.
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On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 5:59 PM, William Foxboro<williamfoxboro...> wrote: A couple of years ago when I was at Cornell for an eBird seminar they were stressing accuracy of location over using hotspots. That's one of the main reasons they introduced geotracking into the app.
If a hotspot accurately describes where you are, that's fine, but many--in fact, I think, most--cover large areas that include a variety of habitat, leaving the record fuzzy as to exactly where the bird was and what its environment was. A hotspot doesn't even have a defined center or a defined boundary!
If I were doing research, I know I would want every sighting tied to as exact a geographic location as possible. I'd much rather sift,sort, group and split that geodata myself rather than have it done for me by other people who can't know what I need to do with it.
To me, the problem with the hotspot concept is that anyone and everyone can declare a hotspot based on any criteria whatsoever or none at all. I'd far rather let the data show me where the hotspots are rather than have arbitrarily declared hotspots show me where the data is.
On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 9:12 PM Juliet Berger <juliet.berger...> wrote:
Hello Birders and Friends,Please use Hotspots where available, rather than your own personal locations. If there is no Hotspot where you are birding, then of course use personal locations. It is much easier for eBird, researchers and average birders to find and use your data if it is all in one spot, in frequently birded areas..Thanks, and good birding.Juliet BergerWashtenaw Audubon
Date: 5/21/19 2:59 pm From: William Foxboro <williamfoxboro...> Subject: Re: [birders] Reminder to please use eBird Hotspots when submitting data
A couple of years ago when I was at Cornell for an eBird seminar they were stressing accuracy of location over using hotspots. That's one of the main reasons they introduced geotracking into the app.
If a hotspot accurately describes where you are, that's fine, but many--in fact, I think, most--cover large areas that include a variety of habitat, leaving the record fuzzy as to exactly where the bird was and what its environment was. A hotspot doesn't even have a defined center or a defined boundary!
If I were doing research, I know I would want every sighting tied to as exact a geographic location as possible. I'd much rather sift,sort, group and split that geodata myself rather than have it done for me by other people who can't know what I need to do with it.
To me, the problem with the hotspot concept is that anyone and everyone can declare a hotspot based on any criteria whatsoever or none at all. I'd far rather let the data show me where the hotspots are rather than have arbitrarily declared hotspots show me where the data is.
On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 9:12 PM Juliet Berger <juliet.berger...> wrote:
Just had our first ever orchard oriole at our jelly feeder. We've been in this house for over 15 years and have never seen one here. We also have barred owls calling in our adjacent woods. Spotted one about a week ago. Haven't seen again, but hear them daily. Denise in Howell
I forgot to add that there is one downside to the various baffle
solutions. Occasionally wasps will move into them...
On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 3:42 PM Susan Horvath <shorvath...> wrote:
>
> I tried greasing my birdhouse poles many years ago. Waste of time.
> Grease attracts every piece of flying debris, dust, etc, out there. In
> no time at all, poles were not even the tiniest bit "greasy".
> Stovepipe-type baffles, however, work great. If you're on a fixed
> budget, you can try improvising with the larger plastic pots that
> plants come in. I lost a metal-mesh peanut feeder once to a mother
> raccoon, so am suspicious that a similarly persistent raccoon might
> shred the plastic pot.
>
> On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 10:12 AM JOHN PARKER <parkerj15...> wrote:
> >
> > I have. Raccoons were able to scale the 4" pvc when I used it as a post. (Vaseline didn't help either.) So I set a 1.5" pvc post and placed a three-foot length of 4" pvc over that post. The larger pipe dangles from a bolt through the 1.5" and 4" at the top. The raccoons crawl up the narrow post but can't navigate the transition to the larger pipe... it isn't firmly set at the bottom, and they can't get a firm grip.
> > However, I have a platform feeder on top, and turkeys have established here the last couple years. They raid the feeder daily. (And I think they're responsible for kicking up the mulch around the trees in the yard this year, too.)
> > John Parker
> > Waterford
> >
> > > On May 14, 2019 at 9:43 AM thewdata_sa via Birders <birders...> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Has anyone tried mounting feeders on a length of vertical 4" PVC pipe? I'm speculating that it will be shimmy-proof and confound the squirrels and racoons.
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I tried greasing my birdhouse poles many years ago. Waste of time.
Grease attracts every piece of flying debris, dust, etc, out there. In
no time at all, poles were not even the tiniest bit "greasy".
Stovepipe-type baffles, however, work great. If you're on a fixed
budget, you can try improvising with the larger plastic pots that
plants come in. I lost a metal-mesh peanut feeder once to a mother
raccoon, so am suspicious that a similarly persistent raccoon might
shred the plastic pot.
On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 10:12 AM JOHN PARKER <parkerj15...> wrote:
>
> I have. Raccoons were able to scale the 4" pvc when I used it as a post. (Vaseline didn't help either.) So I set a 1.5" pvc post and placed a three-foot length of 4" pvc over that post. The larger pipe dangles from a bolt through the 1.5" and 4" at the top. The raccoons crawl up the narrow post but can't navigate the transition to the larger pipe... it isn't firmly set at the bottom, and they can't get a firm grip.
> However, I have a platform feeder on top, and turkeys have established here the last couple years. They raid the feeder daily. (And I think they're responsible for kicking up the mulch around the trees in the yard this year, too.)
> John Parker
> Waterford
>
> > On May 14, 2019 at 9:43 AM thewdata_sa via Birders <birders...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Has anyone tried mounting feeders on a length of vertical 4" PVC pipe? I'm speculating that it will be shimmy-proof and confound the squirrels and racoons.
> >
> > Cheers, Bill
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Date: 5/21/19 11:19 am From: Mary Wise <auntyem...> Subject: Re: [birders] Reminder to please use eBird Hotspots when submitting data
Probably use the most specific without totally annoying yourself.
For ex., when I go to Pelee, I can select a hotspot for all of Pt. Pelee, or by trail. If I do the latter, that means I have to create multiple lists if I do multiple trails in a day. That falls into the 'totally annoying' category, so I usually just select the more general hotspot. If I were just doing one trail, I would probably select that more specific hotspot.
Mary
On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 1:23 PM Alice Elliott <alelliot...> wrote:
> Can you give some specific examples, Bill? Perhaps local birders in your > area can weigh in on which one is the best to use. > > For instance, here in Washtenaw we have both "Vreeland Rd" and "Superior > Twp Roads" ; the former is JUST for Vreeland Road, which often has very > specific and unusual species. The latter is for birding any surrounding > roads in the Superior Twp area that isn't Vreeland. (someone from Washtenaw > correct me if I'm wrong on that front...) > > I would expect that the most commonly used hotspot is the one you should > select. > > I believe you also have the option to suggest to ebird that two hotspots > be merged. I'll see if I can dig up the steps for that when I get home. > > On Mon, May 20, 2019, 10:24 PM thewdata_sa via Birders < > <birders...> wrote: > >> Any advice on how to select from what is often a confusing morass of >> similarly named, undescribed, undelineated and potentially overlapping >> hotspots? There isn't a lack of hotspots - there is a shortage of hotspot >> specificity, hence the metasticizing number of them. >> >> Cheers, >> Bill Butler >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Tuesday, May 21, 2019, 1:12:59 AM UTC, Juliet Berger < >> <juliet.berger...> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> Hello Birders and Friends,Please use Hotspots where available, rather >> than your own personal locations. If there is no Hotspot where you are >> birding, then of course use personal locations. It is much easier for >> eBird, researchers and average birders to find and use your data if it is >> all in one spot, in frequently birded areas..Thanks, and good >> birding.Juliet BergerWashtenaw Audubon >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Birders is a service of the Great Lakes Commission. Visit us at >> www.glc.org >> >> --- >> >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Birders" group. >> >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to birders+<unsubscribe...> >> >> To post to this group, send email to <birders...> >> >> Visit this group at >> https://groups.google.com/a/great-lakes.net/group/birders/. >> >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/a/great-lakes.net/d/msgid/birders/CABVs24JYgTp%3D4%2BL%2B062O4%3DnmJdEyo5GeC-i0CPSXR-r_a%<2BwPuQ...> >> . >> >> For more options, visit >> https://groups.google.com/a/great-lakes.net/d/optout. >> >> -- >> Birders is a service of the Great Lakes Commission. Visit us at >> www.glc.org >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Birders" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to birders+<unsubscribe...> >> To post to this group, send email to <birders...> >> Visit this group at >> https://groups.google.com/a/great-lakes.net/group/birders/. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/a/great-lakes.net/d/msgid/birders/<1500169552.2056396.1558405464474...> >> . >> For more options, visit >> https://groups.google.com/a/great-lakes.net/d/optout. >> > -- > Birders is a service of the Great Lakes Commission. Visit us at > www.glc.org > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Birders" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to birders+<unsubscribe...> > To post to this group, send email to <birders...> > Visit this group at > https://groups.google.com/a/great-lakes.net/group/birders/. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/a/great-lakes.net/d/msgid/birders/<CAErMB8VR-qnj8Yq9rRv50F3u2JujGy8Mxgnm43fX5z_D2XS7ww...> > <https://groups.google.com/a/great-lakes.net/d/msgid/birders/<CAErMB8VR-qnj8Yq9rRv50F3u2JujGy8Mxgnm43fX5z_D2XS7ww...>?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > For more options, visit > https://groups.google.com/a/great-lakes.net/d/optout. >
Date: 5/21/19 10:23 am From: Alice Elliott <alelliot...> Subject: Re: [birders] Reminder to please use eBird Hotspots when submitting data
Can you give some specific examples, Bill? Perhaps local birders in your area can weigh in on which one is the best to use.
For instance, here in Washtenaw we have both "Vreeland Rd" and "Superior Twp Roads" ; the former is JUST for Vreeland Road, which often has very specific and unusual species. The latter is for birding any surrounding roads in the Superior Twp area that isn't Vreeland. (someone from Washtenaw correct me if I'm wrong on that front...)
I would expect that the most commonly used hotspot is the one you should select.
I believe you also have the option to suggest to ebird that two hotspots be merged. I'll see if I can dig up the steps for that when I get home.
On Mon, May 20, 2019, 10:24 PM thewdata_sa via Birders < <birders...> wrote:
> Any advice on how to select from what is often a confusing morass of > similarly named, undescribed, undelineated and potentially overlapping > hotspots? There isn't a lack of hotspots - there is a shortage of hotspot > specificity, hence the metasticizing number of them. > > Cheers, > Bill Butler > > > > > > > > > On Tuesday, May 21, 2019, 1:12:59 AM UTC, Juliet Berger < > <juliet.berger...> wrote: > > > > > > Hello Birders and Friends,Please use Hotspots where available, rather > than your own personal locations. If there is no Hotspot where you are > birding, then of course use personal locations. It is much easier for > eBird, researchers and average birders to find and use your data if it is > all in one spot, in frequently birded areas..Thanks, and good > birding.Juliet BergerWashtenaw Audubon > > > > > > -- > > Birders is a service of the Great Lakes Commission. Visit us at > www.glc.org > > --- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Birders" group. > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to birders+<unsubscribe...> > > To post to this group, send email to <birders...> > > Visit this group at > https://groups.google.com/a/great-lakes.net/group/birders/. > > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/a/great-lakes.net/d/msgid/birders/CABVs24JYgTp%3D4%2BL%2B062O4%3DnmJdEyo5GeC-i0CPSXR-r_a%<2BwPuQ...> > . > > For more options, visit > https://groups.google.com/a/great-lakes.net/d/optout. > > -- > Birders is a service of the Great Lakes Commission. Visit us at > www.glc.org > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Birders" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to birders+<unsubscribe...> > To post to this group, send email to <birders...> > Visit this group at > https://groups.google.com/a/great-lakes.net/group/birders/. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/a/great-lakes.net/d/msgid/birders/<1500169552.2056396.1558405464474...> > . > For more options, visit > https://groups.google.com/a/great-lakes.net/d/optout. >
Date: 5/20/19 10:56 pm From: Phil Bugosh <peb729...> Subject: [birders] Oakland Audubon Society Field Trip Sunday, May 26, Oak Openings Metropark
Sunday May 26, 2019, 8:00am-12:00pm. Oak Openings Metropark. Leader: Dan
Gertiser(<dangertiser...>)
After the rush of spring migration we will slow down and enjoy one of the
area’s premier birding spots. Lark Sparrow, Blue Grosbeak and Summer
Tanagers will be a few of the target species we will look for as we explore
this gem of the Toledo Metropark system. Breeding birds should be in full
song so we can all enjoy birding by ear. Plan on having mosquito repellant,
and take precautions for ticks. Meet at the Nature Center. There are modern
bathroom facilities at the nature center. 4139 Girdham Rd, Swanton, OH 43558
Please see our website (http://www.oaklandaudubon.org) for details about
upcoming field trips, meetings and the Young Birder's Club. Contact the
field trip leaders if you have additional questions. You do not have to be
a member to participate. Everyone is welcome.
Date: 5/20/19 8:37 pm From: 'michael wells' via Birders <birders...> Subject: Fw: [birders] THE BOYS ARE BACK IN TOWN plus a rarity!
Whoops, forgot to include some migrants: 4 Song Sparrows and 1 Nashville Warbler. Also a Common Nighthawk flyover directly over the Meadowlark parking lots. Finally 9 RW Blackbirds and 3 TV's.
Best of Regards, Michael Wells, LIC
6481 Springfield Ln.
Clarkston, Mi. 48346
248-625-3089
On Monday, May 20, 2019 6:31 PM, 'michael wells' via Birders <birders...> wrote:
I feel my life is more complete again, now that the following migrants are BACK in place at Indian Springs Metropark: This past Sunday AM all along the 8 mile bike/hike pathway saw and /or heard:
6 Acadian Flycatchers 5 Great Crested Flycatchers 1 Willow Flycatcher 3 Kingbird's 3 Horned Larks 1 Blue-Winged Warbler 14 Yellow Warblers 12 Common Yellowthroats 1 Black Throated Blue Warbler 1 Louisiana Waterthrush 5 American Redstarts's 2 Lingering Yellow Rumped Warbler's 1 Blue Gray Gnatcatcher 5 Veery's 16 Barn Swallows 10 Tree Swallows 6 Eastern Towhee's Eastern Phoebe's-2 3 Eastern Wood Pewee's 7 Red Eyed Vireo's 3 Yellow-Throated Vireo's 1 Scarlet Tanager 1 Savannah Sparrow 4 Swamp Sparrow's 15 Chipping Sparrow's 4 or more Bobolinks in field East of Kid Playscape 3 Eastern Meadowlark's 4 Killdeer 1 singing Woodthrush 11 Catbird's 12 Indigo Buntings
The surprising rarity at this park for me and only the third in 29 years of birding here: Cerulean Warbler just East of the 1.9 Mile Marker on hike/bike path!!! I will continue to post on the continuation of this bird as I visit the park 5x per week.
Date: 5/20/19 7:24 pm From: thewdata_sa via Birders <birders...> Subject: Re: [birders] Reminder to please use eBird Hotspots when submitting data
Any advice on how to select from what is often a confusing morass of similarly named, undescribed, undelineated and potentially overlapping hotspots? There isn't a lack of hotspots - there is a shortage of hotspot specificity, hence the metasticizing number of them.
Cheers,
Bill Butler
On Tuesday, May 21, 2019, 1:12:59 AM UTC, Juliet Berger <juliet.berger...> wrote:
Hello Birders and Friends,Please use Hotspots where available, rather than your own personal locations. If there is no Hotspot where you are birding, then of course use personal locations. It is much easier for eBird, researchers and average birders to find and use your data if it is all in one spot, in frequently birded areas..Thanks, and good birding.Juliet BergerWashtenaw Audubon
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Date: 5/20/19 6:17 pm From: Juliet Berger <juliet.berger...> Subject: [birders] Washtenaw Audubon's Tuesday Evening Birders is tomorrow eve May 21
Please join Washtenaw Audubon as we bird Pinckney Rec Area-Embury Road. Our leaders are Ben and Matt Hack and Juliet Berger. We'll meet at Miller and M-14 Park and ride in Ann Arbor at 6 pm sharp for a 6:15 departure. Don't be late, or you'll be left out of the carpool! Last minute changes will be announced in the Park and Ride lot, so be there or be square!! Looking forward to seeing many folks there! Good birding, Juliet Berger Washtenaw Audubon Society
Date: 5/20/19 6:13 pm From: Juliet Berger <juliet.berger...> Subject: [birders] Reminder to please use eBird Hotspots when submitting data
Hello Birders and Friends, Please use Hotspots where available, rather than your own personal locations. If there is no Hotspot where you are birding, then of course use personal locations. It is much easier for eBird, researchers and average birders to find and use your data if it is all in one spot, in frequently birded areas.. Thanks, and good birding. Juliet Berger Washtenaw Audubon
Many thanks to the folks who offered up good suggestions and comments about keeping the furry critters off bird feeders. Since I had a section of 4"PVC pipe looking to be recycledd into a 2nd life, PVC pipe over 1" steel pipe it was. So far it has frustrated the Grey Squirrels, but is still untested by raccoons.
Date: 5/20/19 3:38 pm From: 'michael wells' via Birders <birders...> Subject: [birders] Blackburnian vs. Ruby Throat! A yard experience
Very "too cool" experience at my home this past Friday: While working in my home office looked out the window to see a First ever yard bird Blackburnian Warbler facing me straight away at a mere 20 feet perched on a Spruce Tree branch. Then to my utter surprise a Ruby Throated Hummer started buzzing the Warbler in a horizonal motion back and forth for at least a couple comical minutes as the Blackburnian's head followed the Hummer's back and forth motion side to side to side, LOL. Finally they both just flew away. Gotta love Nature, OMG. Best of Regards, Michael Wells, LIC
6481 Springfield Ln.
Clarkston, Mi. 48346
248-625-3089
Date: 5/20/19 3:31 pm From: 'michael wells' via Birders <birders...> Subject: [birders] THE BOYS ARE BACK IN TOWN plus a rarity!
I feel my life is more complete again, now that the following migrants are BACK in place at Indian Springs Metropark: This past Sunday AM all along the 8 mile bike/hike pathway saw and /or heard:
6 Acadian Flycatchers 5 Great Crested Flycatchers 1 Willow Flycatcher 3 Kingbird's 3 Horned Larks 1 Blue-Winged Warbler 14 Yellow Warblers 12 Common Yellowthroats 1 Black Throated Blue Warbler 1 Louisiana Waterthrush 5 American Redstarts's 2 Lingering Yellow Rumped Warbler's 1 Blue Gray Gnatcatcher 5 Veery's 16 Barn Swallows 10 Tree Swallows 6 Eastern Towhee's Eastern Phoebe's-2 3 Eastern Wood Pewee's 7 Red Eyed Vireo's 3 Yellow-Throated Vireo's 1 Scarlet Tanager 1 Savannah Sparrow 4 Swamp Sparrow's 15 Chipping Sparrow's 4 or more Bobolinks in field East of Kid Playscape 3 Eastern Meadowlark's 4 Killdeer 1 singing Woodthrush 11 Catbird's 12 Indigo Buntings
The surprising rarity at this park for me and only the third in 29 years of birding here: Cerulean Warbler just East of the 1.9 Mile Marker on hike/bike path!!! I will continue to post on the continuation of this bird as I visit the park 5x per week.
Best of Regards, Michael Wells, LIC
6481 Springfield Ln.
Clarkston, Mi. 48346
248-625-3089
Today we had a visit from an Orchard Oriole. A first for our yard!! We also had a Red-Breasted Nuthatch working the feeders. A pair of Grosbeaks are still here.
Date: 5/19/19 5:38 pm From: Janet Hinshaw <jhinshaw...> Subject: Re: [birders] Please do not play bird song tapes with breeding species
All migratory birds are federally protected. This includes harassment of birds. If your behavior is altering the behavior of the bird, you should back off and stop what you are doing. Generally playing a recording is orders of magnitude worse than pishing as far as making the bird upset.
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> On May 19, 2019, at 8:03 PM, <parkerj15...> <parkerj15...> wrote:
>
> I'm reading with great interest the posts about using playback. Of course, there are situations where playback is forbidden by laws covering specific lands or birds. And there are considerations to be made to fellow birders. Still when we speak only of playback, we ignore that pishing, large groups of people, or a single human sitting and watching and waiting surely can be viewed as intrusive by a tiny little bird.
> We can rap each other on the knuckles, or we can cite laws, codes of ethics, and scientific studies. I'm begging to have the latter volunteered.
> John Parker
> Waterford, MI
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> Sent: 2019-05-19 2:17:32 PM
> Subject: Re: [birders] Please do not play bird song tapes with breeding species
>
> Birders,
> Today I see several more sightings, including one from LeFurge Preserve on Prospect, where the eBirder says, responded to playback. Pics and Audio.
> Clay-colored Sparrow, a rare bird in our part of the state, trying to breed at LeFurge. Again, no playback for breeding birds, please!!, and that can be any bird at this time of year.
> Juliet Berger
>
>
>> On Sat, May 18, 2019 at 11:30 AM Fred Kaluza <fkaluza...> wrote:
>> Good point in requesting broader support for advertising against the practice. In the “old days”, it took special equipment. Nowadays, anyone with a smartphone can pull up a website and play the calls. It’s just too easy. In fact, the people who have those websites should educate about the potential for misuse.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, May 18, 2019 at 11:03 AM -0400, "'Marta Manildi' via Birders" <birders...> wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you - I wonder if notices to this effect should be posted in key locations - I can imagine the poorly informed not realizing this. (I have never done this, but as a newcomer to the world of birdwatching, I have begun to understand the scope of my ignorance, and I can imagine this being done by a “tourist".)
>>> Marta
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On May 17, 2019, at 9:16 PM, Juliet Berger <juliet.berger...> wrote:
>>>
>>> Dear Birders and Friends,
>>> It has come to my attention that some birders have been observed playing tapes of a bird's song in order to bring the bird closer to obtain better photos. Breeding birds are stressed by this type of activity and it may cause them to abandon their breeding territory.
>>>
>>> It is absolutely unconscionable and unethical to do so with a rare species, such as the Prairie Warbler, back again at Pinckney Rec. Area, Hankerd Rd. in Washtenaw. An egregious example of this was observed recently at the Hankerd Rd. location. It is against the ABA Code of Ethics, and will be reported to the Department of Natural Resources. Prairie Warbler is a State listed species in Michigan, and has legal protection, not only under the Migratory Bird Treaty Act, but under Michigan's Endangered Species laws.
>>> Please consider the birds' well being over your own pleasure. Not using playback is the most respectful of the birds and the only ethical decision with breeding birds
>>> .
>>> And for those of us who cherish birds and would never knowing harm them, thank you very much for all you do to support birds, and our natural world.
>>> All the best,
>>> Juliet Berger
>>> Washtenaw Audubon Society
>>>
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Date: 5/19/19 4:19 pm From: Karen Markey <ylime...> Subject: [birders] Magee & Howard Marshes Field Trip Report, May 19, 2019
Today's Magee & Howard Marshes Field Trip was awesome producing no big numbers but especially desirable species.
Let's start with Magee. A Yellow-Billed Cuckoo did wheelies in a nearby tree. A Great Horned Owlet peered down at human visitors taking pictures. The silence of Empidonax Flycatchers kept their identity a secret. Our binoculars settled on a close-up of a Swainson's Thrush followed minutes later by a Grey-Cheeked Thrush. A pair of Philadelphia Vireos traveled together. A trio of Yellow-Bellied Flycatcher sightings was a treat. A stunning male Prothonotary Warbler posed for our cameras, and a much less distinctive female Prothonotary snatched moss from a log and transported into her nesting hole. A female MOURNING WARBLER was particularly shy, popping in and out of view atop downed timber at water's edge, but a male CONNECTICUT WARBLER gave us generous glimpses, also at water's edge on downed timber and singing on occasion.
Threatening grey clouds loomed in the distance as we traveled to Howard Marsh. Scanning the first two ponds, we got quick looks at Ruddy Ducks, Dunlin (in breeding plumage), Blue-Winged Teal, Least Sandpiper, and more. Then the heavens opened up, delivering a torrent of rain, debris, and wind and forcing us to quit.
Special thanks to Cathy and Dea who kept checklists. Dea also gave great explanations of features that characterized this and that bird including comparison views of similar species. Everyone spotted birds and helped fellow birders find them. That almost everyone got glimpses of both Mourning and Connecticut made this trip especially memorable!
In the list below, the capital letter F indicates FEW or ONE birder in our group saw or heard the bird. Click on the Magee link below for photos of select species. (For those who went on today's trip, please send me a message telling me to share the list with you,)
Magee Marsh--Boardwalk, Lucas, Ohio, US May 19, 2019 7:25 AM - 1:15 PM Protocol: Traveling 1.9 mile(s) 71 species (+2 other taxa)
Canada Goose 4 Mourning Dove 4 Yellow-billed Cuckoo 2 Black-billed Cuckoo 1 FEW Common Nighthawk 1 F... Chimney Swift 4 Ruby-throated Hummingbird 2 Double-crested Cormorant 2 Great Blue Heron 1 Great Egret 1 Turkey Vulture 1 Bald Eagle 2 hawk sp. 1 F Eastern Screech-Owl 1 Great Horned Owl 1 In tall stump as Estuary Trail begins. Northern Flicker 2 Eastern Wood-Pewee 4 Yellow-bellied Flycatcher 3 Alder Flycatcher 1 F Least Flycatcher 1 Empidonax sp. 5 Eastern Phoebe 1 F Great Crested Flycatcher 1 Eastern Kingbird 2 F Yellow-throated Vireo 1 Philadelphia Vireo 3 Warbling Vireo 14 Red-eyed Vireo 3 Blue Jay 45 Purple Martin 4 F Tree Swallow 60 Barn Swallow 7 F Black-capped Chickadee 1 F Red-breasted Nuthatch 1 White-breasted Nuthatch 2 House Wren 3 Blue-gray Gnatcatcher 1 Gray-cheeked Thrush 1 Swainson's Thrush 6 Wood Thrush 2 (heard only) American Robin 4 Gray Catbird 20 European Starling 3 Cedar Waxwing 5 American Goldfinch 1 F White-crowned Sparrow 2 Song Sparrow 1 Lincoln's Sparrow 2 Baltimore Oriole 15 Red-winged Blackbird 20 Brown-headed Cowbird 3 Common Grackle 8 Prothonotary Warbler 2 Male on his own. Female snatching moss from log and carrying into nest hole. Tennessee Warbler 3 Nashville Warbler 1 F Connecticut Warbler 1 Mourning Warbler 2 Common Yellowthroat 4 American Redstart 12 Magnolia Warbler 3 Bay-breasted Warbler 5 Blackburnian Warbler 2 Yellow Warbler 30 Chestnut-sided Warbler 2 Blackpoll Warbler 4 Black-throated Blue Warbler 1 Black-throated Green Warbler 1 Canada Warbler 2 Wilson's Warbler 2 Scarlet Tanager 2 F Northern Cardinal 4 Rose-breasted Grosbeak 2 F Indigo Bunting 1
Date: 5/19/19 2:44 pm From: outfresh via Birders <birders...> Subject: [birders] (OT) Magee Marsh with Karen Markey
Went on my first Magee warbler excursion today. How exciting! It was wonderful to see the warblers up close! The knowledge, enthusiasm and guided sightings, shared by our guide Karen was a gift. Thank you Karen!
Marie Kusmierz
Date: 5/19/19 11:17 am From: Juliet Berger <juliet.berger...> Subject: Re: [birders] Please do not play bird song tapes with breeding species
Birders,
Today I see several more sightings, including one from LeFurge Preserve on
Prospect, where the eBirder says, responded to playback. Pics and Audio.
Clay-colored Sparrow, a rare bird in our part of the state, trying to breed
at LeFurge. Again, no playback for breeding birds, please!!, and that can
be any bird at this time of year.
Juliet Berger
On Sat, May 18, 2019 at 11:30 AM Fred Kaluza <fkaluza...> wrote:
> Good point in requesting broader support for advertising against the
> practice. In the “old days”, it took special equipment. Nowadays, anyone
> with a smartphone can pull up a website and play the calls. It’s just too
> easy. In fact, the people who have those websites should educate about the
> potential for misuse.
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, May 18, 2019 at 11:03 AM -0400, "'Marta Manildi' via Birders" <
> <birders...> wrote:
>
> Thank you - I wonder if notices to this effect should be posted in key
>> locations - I can imagine the poorly informed not realizing this. (I have
>> never done this, but as a newcomer to the world of birdwatching, I have
>> begun to understand the scope of my ignorance, and I can imagine this being
>> done by a “tourist".)
>> Marta
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On May 17, 2019, at 9:16 PM, Juliet Berger <juliet.berger...>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Dear Birders and Friends,
>> It has come to my attention that some birders have been observed playing
>> tapes of a bird's song in order to bring the bird closer to obtain better
>> photos. Breeding birds are stressed by this type of activity and it may
>> cause them to abandon their breeding territory.
>>
>> It is absolutely unconscionable and unethical to do so with a rare
>> species, such as the Prairie Warbler, back again at Pinckney Rec. Area,
>> Hankerd Rd. in Washtenaw. An egregious example of this was observed
>> recently at the Hankerd Rd. location. It is against the ABA Code of Ethics,
>> and will be reported to the Department of Natural Resources. Prairie
>> Warbler is a State listed species in Michigan, and has legal protection,
>> not only under the Migratory Bird Treaty Act, but under Michigan's
>> Endangered Species laws.
>> Please consider the birds' well being over your own pleasure. Not using
>> playback is the most respectful of the birds and the only ethical decision
>> with breeding birds
>> .
>> And for those of us who cherish birds and would never knowing harm them,
>> thank you very much for all you do to support birds, and our natural world.
>> All the best,
>> Juliet Berger
>> Washtenaw Audubon Society
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Date: 5/18/19 12:33 pm From: Karen Markey <ylime...> Subject: [birders] Hudson Mills field trip report, May 18, 2019
A dozen and a half birders endured a rainy start at Hudson Mills this morning, then sailed through the morning enjoying Michigan's colorful, feathered summer residents. We got great looks at a stunning male Baltimore Oriole through a rain-drenched scope. A Eastern Bluebird came into view but was soggy and dark due to the wet and overcast. More than a couple Indigo Buntings perched low or foraged on the ground. We got glimpses of a Scarlet Tanager pair through the branches and leaves leading up into the canopy. Not only did we see a Prothonotary Warbler perched on downed timber in the Huron River, we watched two Prothonotaries chase each other at water's edge. Norka located a Grey-Cheeked Thrush low in the brush lining the bike path. A lone Osprey and Trumpeter Swan were flyovers. A pack of Cedar Waxwings stripped a flowering tree of its pink buds.
Warblers darted to and fro in the highest treetops. A Blue-Winged Warbler and Northern Parula ventured closer to terra firma to give us great views. Yellow Warblers, Common Yellowthroats, Yellow-Throated Vireos, Northern Flickers, and many more species were loud, insistent, and boisterous but never came into view. Bummer! As we got into our cars, a Red-Tailed Hawk flew by, pursued by several smaller birds.
We all benefited from the auditory abilities of Juliet and Norka -- they and several others alerted the group to great birds. Several in our birding group repeatedly relocated the Prothonotary that popped in and out of view and helped us all find him. Thanks to Norka for making our eBird checklist and others for adding to it. Much gratitude to Dan, Dave, and others for helping me carry my scope and positioning it in front of me. We had a great morning -- let's do this again for fall warblers in early September!
I've added an H (for Heard only) to the eBird checklist below for birds that I think only one person saw only or the group heard only.
Hudson Mills Metropark, Washtenaw, Michigan, US May 18, 2019 7:46 AM - 12:25 PM Protocol: Traveling 4.2 mile(s) Comments: WAS Field Trip led by Karen Markey. 60+ species
Canada Goose 9 Trumpeter Swan 1 Wood Duck 3 Mourning Dove 2 H Yellow-Billed Cuckoo 1 H Chimney Swift 1 Sandhill Crane 1 Turkey Vulture 1 Osprey 1 Red-tailed Hawk 1
Red-bellied Woodpecker 8 Downy Woodpecker 1 Hairy Woodpecker 2 Northern Flicker 5 H Eastern Wood-Pewee 3 Least Flycatcher 1 Eastern Phoebe 1 Great Crested Flycatcher 3 H Eastern Kingbird 2 H Yellow-throated Vireo 6 H
Warbling Vireo 1 H Red-eyed Vireo 8 Blue Jay 9 H American Crow 13 Tree Swallow 2 Black-capped Chickadee 15 Tufted Titmouse 6 White-breasted Nuthatch 12 House Wren 1 H Blue-gray Gnatcatcher 21
Eastern Bluebird 2 Veery 1 H Gray-cheeked Thrush 1 Wood Thrush 2 H American Robin 17 Gray Catbird 9 Brown Thrasher 1 Cedar Waxwing 14 American Goldfinch 26 Chipping Sparrow 9
Field Sparrow 5 Song Sparrow 12 Swamp Sparrow 1 H Eastern Towhee 5 Baltimore Oriole 6 Red-winged Blackbird 6 Brown-headed Cowbird 22 Common Grackle 4 Blue-winged Warbler 5 Prothonotary Warbler 3
Tennessee Warbler 1 H Nashville Warbler 1 H Common Yellowthroat 8 H American Redstart 5 Northern Parula 7 Yellow Warbler 10 H Chestnut-Sided Warbler 1 H Blackpoll Warbler 1 H Yellow-rumped Warbler 4 Black-throated Green Warbler 2
Recently, I went to the eye doctor to update my prescription for presbyopia. I was intending on getting regular bi-focal glasses because I am tired of wearing my readers 90% of the time. My doctor asked if I would like to try contacts, so that I could have my distant vision as well as reading vision without having to use glasses. This sounded wonderful. When we put them in, I figured they were just practice lenses, without prescription, because my vision was worse, near and far. I do not need a prescription for distance, but I do need a prescription for reading. The doctor had me try the multi-focal lenses for a week. She sent me home with daily wear and monthly wear. Neither of them helped me and I just couldn't get used to the blur, especially during prime birding time and the need for quick distance focus and clarity.
I went back for a re-fitting. This time we are trying Mono-vision by leaving one contact out and wearing one (multi-focal lense) in the non-dominant eye for reading. Supposedly my brain will figure out how to focus. I've been doing a little reading on the subject and it appears I may never get rid of the blur entirely, for either near or far, even with tweaking the prescription strength. I'm not sure I am willing to sacrifice clarity and detail. I want to be able to see details, like whether a bird has an eye line or not - like I did without contacts.
Has anyone tried contacts for presbyopia only? Mono-vision? Actual bi-focal lenses? What are your experiences and thoughts?
Thanks,
Suzanne in Big Rapids
"Your worst days are never so bad that you are beyond the reach of God's grace, and your best days are never so good that you are beyond the need of God's grace." - Jerry Bridges
Date: 5/18/19 8:30 am From: Fred Kaluza <fkaluza...> Subject: Re: [birders] Please do not play bird song tapes with breeding species
Good point in requesting broader support for advertising against the practice. In the “old days”, it took special equipment. Nowadays, anyone with a smartphone can pull up a website and play the calls. It’s just too easy. In fact, the people who have those websites should educate about the potential for misuse.
On Sat, May 18, 2019 at 11:03 AM -0400, "'Marta Manildi' via Birders" <birders...> wrote:
Thank you - I wonder if notices to this effect should be posted in key locations - I can imagine the poorly informed not realizing this. (I have never done this, but as a newcomer to the world of birdwatching, I have begun to understand the scope of my ignorance, and I can imagine this being done by a “tourist".)
Marta
On May 17, 2019, at 9:16 PM, Juliet Berger <juliet.berger...> wrote:
Dear Birders and Friends,It has come to my attention that some birders have been observed playing tapes of a bird's song in order to bring the bird closer to obtain better photos. Breeding birds are stressed by this type of activity and it may cause them to abandon their breeding territory.
It is absolutely unconscionable and unethical to do so with a rare species, such as the Prairie Warbler, back again at Pinckney Rec. Area, Hankerd Rd. in Washtenaw. An egregious example of this was observed recently at the Hankerd Rd. location. It is against the ABA Code of Ethics, and will be reported to the Department of Natural Resources. Prairie Warbler is a State listed species in Michigan, and has legal protection, not only under the Migratory Bird Treaty Act, but under Michigan's Endangered Species laws.Please consider the birds' well being over your own pleasure. Not using playback is the most respectful of the birds and the only ethical decision with breeding birds.And for those of us who cherish birds and would never knowing harm them, thank you very much for all you do to support birds, and our natural world.All the best,Juliet BergerWashtenaw Audubon Society
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Date: 5/18/19 8:03 am From: 'Marta Manildi' via Birders <birders...> Subject: Re: [birders] Please do not play bird song tapes with breeding species
Thank you - I wonder if notices to this effect should be posted in key locations - I can imagine the poorly informed not realizing this. (I have never done this, but as a newcomer to the world of birdwatching, I have begun to understand the scope of my ignorance, and I can imagine this being done by a “tourist".)
Marta
On May 17, 2019, at 9:16 PM, Juliet Berger <juliet.berger...> wrote:
Dear Birders and Friends,
It has come to my attention that some birders have been observed playing tapes of a bird's song in order to bring the bird closer to obtain better photos. Breeding birds are stressed by this type of activity and it may cause them to abandon their breeding territory.
It is absolutely unconscionable and unethical to do so with a rare species, such as the Prairie Warbler, back again at Pinckney Rec. Area, Hankerd Rd. in Washtenaw. An egregious example of this was observed recently at the Hankerd Rd. location. It is against the ABA Code of Ethics, and will be reported to the Department of Natural Resources. Prairie Warbler is a State listed species in Michigan, and has legal protection, not only under the Migratory Bird Treaty Act, but under Michigan's Endangered Species laws.
Please consider the birds' well being over your own pleasure. Not using playback is the most respectful of the birds and the only ethical decision with breeding birds
.
And for those of us who cherish birds and would never knowing harm them, thank you very much for all you do to support birds, and our natural world.
All the best,
Juliet Berger
Washtenaw Audubon Society
Date: 5/18/19 6:11 am From: Warren & Sue <wsfaust...> Subject: [birders] Pine Siskin breeding
I had Pine Siskins breeding within the city limits of Ann Arbor a few years back.
One or two adults were being seen at the feeders regularly; then one day a group of at least 5 showed up and at least two of them were seen begging to be fed. This happened only once; I presume that the birds had just fledged and the family group then moved away from our area.
Date: 5/18/19 5:09 am From: Terry Hoenle <terry_hoenle...> Subject: Re: [birders] Pine Siskins
Alice, thank you for the details of fledgling vs. juvenile Pine Siskins. I now know what to look for. You are absolutely correct that the first photo was a House Finch. When I was typing, my mind said 'finch' & my fingers typed 'sparrow'. Probably because there are so many House Sparrows in my yard!
Happy Spring, everyone!
________________________________
From: Alice Elliott <alelliot...>
Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2019 12:21 AM
To: Terry Hoenle
Cc: <birders...>
Subject: Re: [birders] Pine Siskins
Having worked with an inordinate amount of fledgling house sparrows at the Bird Center of Washtenaw, I can tell you that neither of those are fledgling house sparrows. The chest is far too streaky.
The first one looks a bit like a fledgling House Finch. The beak seems too chunky and dark for a Siskin. But as I said above, it's not a fledgling house sparrow. Google "fledgling house sparrow" for some pictures.
With regards to the second one: I think that is a Siskin, but an adult or older juvenile. If it was a fledgling it would not have the yellow wing bars, and its beak would be considerably paler. Its feathers would overall be short and stubby. In short it would look like an ugly teenager! You can google "fledgling pine siskin" to get an idea of what I mean.
On Fri, May 17, 2019, 9:26 PM Terry Hoenle <terry_hoenle...><mailto:<terry_hoenle...>> wrote:
Oops! Forgot the attachments to my previous post.
Date: 5/17/19 9:21 pm From: Alice Elliott <alelliot...> Subject: Re: [birders] Pine Siskins
Having worked with an inordinate amount of fledgling house sparrows at the Bird Center of Washtenaw, I can tell you that neither of those are fledgling house sparrows. The chest is far too streaky.
The first one looks a bit like a fledgling House Finch. The beak seems too chunky and dark for a Siskin. But as I said above, it's not a fledgling house sparrow. Google "fledgling house sparrow" for some pictures.
With regards to the second one: I think that is a Siskin, but an adult or older juvenile. If it was a fledgling it would not have the yellow wing bars, and its beak would be considerably paler. Its feathers would overall be short and stubby. In short it would look like an ugly teenager! You can google "fledgling pine siskin" to get an idea of what I mean.
On Fri, May 17, 2019, 9:26 PM Terry Hoenle <terry_hoenle...> wrote:
Date: 5/17/19 6:38 pm From: Karen Markey <ylime...> Subject: [birders] Final reminder: WAS Field Trip to Magee Marsh this Sunday, May 19
The annual Washtenaw Audubon Society field trip to Magee Marsh will be on Sunday, May 19. We will carpool from the Plymouth Road park-and-ride parking lot at 5:50 am, leaving the lot at 6 am sharp. Please do not arrive late at the park-and-ride lot because we could be gone! (The park-and-ride lot is on the southwest corner of the US-23 and Plymouth Road intersection.)
Messaging me that you are meeting me at the Plymouth Road park-and-ride lot would be helpful so that I know you will be joining the trip.
Alternatively, you can meet me and the rest of the carpoolers at the "Warbler Display" at Magee Marsh's WEST boardwalk entrance at about 7:15 a.m. I plan to return to Ann Arbor in late afternoon, possibly making a stop at nearby Howard Marsh, Metzger Marsh, or Maumee Bay State Park, but individual drivers and their carpools may arrange to come back sooner. Bring a hat, insect repellent, lunch, and plenty of water or fluids for hydration. There is NO food or drink for sale at Magee Marsh or anywhere nearby -- please pack a LUNCH along with plenty of WATER and your favorite snacks and soft drinks.
The Marsh should be at peak for late male birds, female birds generally, and flycatchers. The crowd from the festival should be long gone.
The forecast for Sunday, May 19, is a warm start in the high 60s, reaching a balmy 80 at 1 pm, beautiful south winds (shuttling birds into Magee), and a threat of thunderstorms in the afternoon. Bring a hat, insect repellent, poncho or rain jacket, and sunscreen. Magee Marsh is boardwalk so athletic shoes/sneakers should be fine.
See you at the Plymouth Road park-and-ride carpark at 5:50 am or at the Magee Marsh warbler display at 7:15 am this Sunday, May 19.
Date: 5/17/19 6:17 pm From: Juliet Berger <juliet.berger...> Subject: [birders] Please do not play bird song tapes with breeding species
Dear Birders and Friends, It has come to my attention that some birders have been observed playing tapes of a bird's song in order to bring the bird closer to obtain better photos. Breeding birds are stressed by this type of activity and it may cause them to abandon their breeding territory.
It is absolutely unconscionable and unethical to do so with a rare species, such as the Prairie Warbler, back again at Pinckney Rec. Area, Hankerd Rd. in Washtenaw. An egregious example of this was observed recently at the Hankerd Rd. location. It is against the ABA Code of Ethics, and will be reported to the Department of Natural Resources. Prairie Warbler is a State listed species in Michigan, and has legal protection, not only under the Migratory Bird Treaty Act, but under Michigan's Endangered Species laws. Please consider the birds' well being over your own pleasure. Not using playback is the most respectful of the birds and the only ethical decision with breeding birds . And for those of us who cherish birds and would never knowing harm them, thank you very much for all you do to support birds, and our natural world. All the best, Juliet Berger Washtenaw Audubon Society
Date: 5/17/19 6:12 pm From: Terry Hoenle <terry_hoenle...> Subject: Re: [birders] Pine Siskins
Thank you, Anna, Mark, & Janet for the comments/info! I have two photos I'd like to share. The first I believe is a juvenile House Sparrow, due to it's larger bill. Janet, would the downy wisps on a Siskin look similar to this pic? The second is of a Pine Siskin which might have been young one. He was wet, which may have disguised downy wisps.
Thanks again,
Terry
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From: Janet Hinshaw <jhinshaw...>
Sent: Friday, May 17, 2019 7:19 PM
To: Anna Walker
Cc: <birders...>
Subject: Re: [birders] Pine Siskins
They do occasionally breed here so keep your eyes out for any young being brought to the feeder. They will be the same size but may have shorter tails and little downy wisps on their heads.
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On May 17, 2019, at 11:28 AM, Anna Walker <awmtngal...><mailto:<awmtngal...>> wrote:
Yesterday I still had a pine siskin at my thistle feeder here in Hartland in Livingston County. I had large numbers this winter but never this late - I was wondering the same thing.
Anna
Hartland
While up north (Gladwin County) earlier this week I was amazed to find several Pine Siskins at my feeders! These are occasionally seen at this location in the winter, but rarely in May. Does anyone know if this indicates that they are breeding there, or are they simply late migrators?
They do occasionally breed here so keep your eyes out for any young being brought to the feeder. They will be the same size but may have shorter tails and little downy wisps on their heads.
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> On May 17, 2019, at 11:28 AM, Anna Walker <awmtngal...> wrote:
>
> Yesterday I still had a pine siskin at my thistle feeder here in Hartland in Livingston County. I had large numbers this winter but never this late - I was wondering the same thing.
> Anna
> Hartland
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On May 17, 2019, at 9:22 AM, Terry Hoenle <terry_hoenle...> wrote:
>>
>> While up north (Gladwin County) earlier this week I was amazed to find several Pine Siskins at my feeders! These are occasionally seen at this location in the winter, but rarely in May. Does anyone know if this indicates that they are breeding there, or are they simply late migrators?
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Date: 5/17/19 11:50 am From: 'Suzanne (Moses) Vedder' via Birders <birders...> Subject: Re: [birders] Lovely Surprise
I was just sharing this morning with my birsing companions that I was told a long time ago, never disregard Chickadees because they hang out with a lot of other species. No sooner did I say that, and start looking at the Chickadee group, we found ourselves looking at Magnolia Warblers and Redstarts! Nice beginning to the day!
Suzanne in Big Rapids, Norwich Twp, Newaygo Co, MI.
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On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 11:45 AM, 'Melissa Pappas' via Birders<birders...> wrote: We had a lovely surprise as the day finished yesterday. We had two new yard birds bathing and having a grand time in the top level of our water feature - gorgeous, male Blackburnian warbler and a stunning, Cape May warbler. They had joined the chickadees and titmice. Right after they departed, a flicker landed on our porch rail and proceeded to drum a little (drumroll, please?) then flew up to the double suet feeder that was no more than 4 feet away from me. I was so stunned, I was motionless.
Melissa PappasHamburg Township, Livingston County, MI
Date: 5/17/19 10:47 am From: Jack Smiley <jackrsmiley...> Subject: [birders] Conservancy Farm - Bobolinks & Lark Sparrow
I didn't post it previously, but Bobolinks have returned to the Conservancy Farm. I first saw them at the farm last Saturday, May 11th.
Today, while watching the Bobolinks from the garden, I had very good looks at what I'm pretty sure was a Lark Sparrow. I had never seen one before, but it was quite distinctive.
Date: 5/17/19 10:04 am From: Fred Kaluza <fkaluza...> Subject: [birders] What keeps birds where they are...
and yet allows other bird’s ranges to expand or shift? When gmilatz reported the Yellow-Headed Blackbird, it reminded me that I’d not seen one since I was a kid in 1969 on our elementary school playground on a stand of CatTails on a spring-flooded baseball field in St. Clair Shores. I’m also regularly reminded of our dearth of Mockingbirds. When I’ve been to other parts of the country that seem to have similar weather and habitat, I often wonder what other elements must be at work to keep some species to the “same old stomping grounds” while others “like House Finches” seem better able to capitalize on changes perhaps to the detriment of other indigenous species. Interesting stuff.
Date: 5/17/19 9:57 am From: Mark W <markwloch72...> Subject: Re: [birders] Pine Siskins
In Ludington, Mason County (4 counties to the west of Gladwin), Pine Siskin numbers in my yard have dwindled to a handful recently. But yesterday I had a fledgling on my deck.
Mark Wloch Ludington, MI
On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 9:22 AM Terry Hoenle <terry_hoenle...> wrote:
Date: 5/17/19 8:45 am From: 'Melissa Pappas' via Birders <birders...> Subject: [birders] Lovely Surprise
We had a lovely surprise as the day finished yesterday. We had two new yard birds bathing and having a grand time in the top level of our water feature - gorgeous, male Blackburnian warbler and a stunning, Cape May warbler. They had joined the chickadees and titmice. Right after they departed, a flicker landed on our porch rail and proceeded to drum a little (drumroll, please?) then flew up to the double suet feeder that was no more than 4 feet away from me. I was so stunned, I was motionless.
Melissa PappasHamburg Township, Livingston County, MI
Date: 5/17/19 8:38 am From: Fred Kaluza <fkaluza...> Subject: Re: [birders] Undersized Orioles
Yes, I’m kidding Penny. I have no idea how there could be such significant apparent size differences between mature birds of the the same sex and same species. Maybe someone else will chime in.
On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 11:25 AM -0400, "Penny" <jumpthroughhoops...> wrote:
I hope you're kidding, Fred. I wasn't using bins. I was only 6 feet away from them.
I accidentally deleted your second post so if you can, please resend it to me. Thanks.Penny
On Friday, May 17, 2019, 11:16:41 AM EDT, Fred Kaluza <fkaluza...> wrote:
Move that little lever next to the eyepieces on your bins from .75 x back to the 1.0 x and you should be all set Penny. Good luck.
From: 'P. swanson' via Birders <birders...>
Sent: Friday, May 17, 2019 11:02
To: birders
Subject: [birders] Undersized Orioles Had an unusual thing happen yesterday. I haven’t been putting jelly out but have been sticking to sugar water. I finally decided to put out some jelly and my first visitors were 2 three-quarter sized male orioles in full breeding plumage. They came together and left together. There was definitely a great size difference between them and the adult males I’m used to seeing. I am not sure how to account for this. The only thing I can think of is that these 2 males were from a different family that runs smaller. If they were not fully grown, how could they have breeding plumage? Other male juvies I have seen here are full size but duller coloring.
Has anyone else seen this? Or have an explanation?
Penny
Date: 5/17/19 8:28 am From: Anna Walker <awmtngal...> Subject: Re: [birders] Pine Siskins
Yesterday I still had a pine siskin at my thistle feeder here in Hartland in Livingston County. I had large numbers this winter but never this late - I was wondering the same thing.
Anna
Hartland
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> While up north (Gladwin County) earlier this week I was amazed to find several Pine Siskins at my feeders! These are occasionally seen at this location in the winter, but rarely in May. Does anyone know if this indicates that they are breeding there, or are they simply late migrators?
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Date: 5/17/19 8:25 am From: 'Penny' via Birders <birders...> Subject: Re: [birders] Undersized Orioles
I hope you're kidding, Fred. I wasn't using bins. I was only 6 feet away from them.
I accidentally deleted your second post so if you can, please resend it to me. Thanks.Penny
On Friday, May 17, 2019, 11:16:41 AM EDT, Fred Kaluza <fkaluza...> wrote:
Move that little lever next to the eyepieces on your bins from .75 x back to the 1.0 x and you should be all set Penny. Good luck.
From: 'P. swanson' via Birders <birders...>
Sent: Friday, May 17, 2019 11:02
To: birders
Subject: [birders] Undersized Orioles Had an unusual thing happen yesterday. I haven’t been putting jelly out but have been sticking to sugar water. I finally decided to put out some jelly and my first visitors were 2 three-quarter sized male orioles in full breeding plumage. They came together and left together. There was definitely a great size difference between them and the adult males I’m used to seeing. I am not sure how to account for this. The only thing I can think of is that these 2 males were from a different family that runs smaller. If they were not fully grown, how could they have breeding plumage? Other male juvies I have seen here are full size but duller coloring.
Has anyone else seen this? Or have an explanation?
Penny
Date: 5/17/19 8:16 am From: Fred Kaluza <fkaluza...> Subject: Re: [birders] Undersized Orioles
Move that little lever next to the eyepieces on your bins from .75 x back to the 1.0 x and you should be all set Penny. Good luck.
From: 'P. swanson' via Birders <birders...>
Sent: Friday, May 17, 2019 11:02
To: birders
Subject: [birders] Undersized Orioles Had an unusual thing happen yesterday. I haven’t been putting jelly out but have been sticking to sugar water. I finally decided to put out some jelly and my first visitors were 2 three-quarter sized male orioles in full breeding plumage. They came together and left together. There was definitely a great size difference between them and the adult males I’m used to seeing. I am not sure how to account for this. The only thing I can think of is that these 2 males were from a different family that runs smaller. If they were not fully grown, how could they have breeding plumage? Other male juvies I have seen here are full size but duller coloring.
Has anyone else seen this? Or have an explanation?
Penny
Date: 5/17/19 8:02 am From: 'P. swanson' via Birders <birders...> Subject: [birders] Undersized Orioles
Had an unusual thing happen yesterday. I haven’t been putting jelly out but have been sticking to sugar water. I finally decided to put out some jelly and my first visitors were 2 three-quarter sized male orioles in full breeding plumage. They came together and left together. There was definitely a great size difference between them and the adult males I’m used to seeing. I am not sure how to account for this. The only thing I can think of is that these 2 males were from a different family that runs smaller. If they were not fully grown, how could they have breeding plumage? Other male juvies I have seen here are full size but duller coloring.
Has anyone else seen this? Or have an explanation?
Penny
Date: 5/17/19 6:22 am From: Terry Hoenle <terry_hoenle...> Subject: [birders] Pine Siskins
While up north (Gladwin County) earlier this week I was amazed to find several Pine Siskins at my feeders! These are occasionally seen at this location in the winter, but rarely in May. Does anyone know if this indicates that they are breeding there, or are they simply late migrators?
Date: 5/16/19 6:36 pm From: Larry Nooden <ldnum...> Subject: Re: [birders] Tick preventer help - caution
I have found sulfur powder (prepared for use in garden pest control) works
well when dusted on my lower legs and pant legs. It also works on chiggers
(like ticks also arachnids, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arachnid ).
On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 9:59 AM 'seschulze' via Birders <
<birders...> wrote:
Ebird rare bird alert for Michigan is below........
Deaver D. Armstrong
<ddarm...>
Let's go birding......
A New Field Ornithology Class will start in APRIL of 2019
To register or learn more please go to
http://www.miavianexperience.org Enter site, then go to Programs via the menu, then select Field Classes
Date: 5/16/19 3:01 pm From: Karen Markey <ylime...> Subject: [birders] Final reminder: WAS Field Trip to Hudson Mills, Sat., May 18, 7:45 am
Here’s a final reminder for the WAS-sponsored tour of spring migrants at
Hudson Mills Metropark on Saturday, May 18. <x-apple-data-detectors://0> We
will meet at 7:45 am <x-apple-data-detectors://1> sharp at the flagpole in
the front of the Activity Center. If the entry booth is unmanned, you can
purchase a $10 daily parking permit from Metropark staff at the Activity
Center.
We are in search of spring migrants and summer residents such as Scarlet
Tanager, Wood thrush, Nashville, Chestnut-sided and Nashvlle warblers. We
always look for the park's summer residents such as Yellow-throated vireo,
Blue-winged warbler, Brown Thrasher, Eastern Bluebirds, Prothonotary
warbler, and more.
The weather forecast for Saturday, May 18 <x-apple-data-detectors://3>, is
rain ending by 8 am with overcast skies and warmup to almost 60 at 11 am
<x-apple-data-detectors://4>. Be prepared for wet, dewy trails, grass, and
fields. Bring insect repellent just in case. Please be prepared for lots of
hiking, stalking, standing, and circling back over the same trails. No pets
are allowed on the nature trails. Please, no strollers either.
From Ann Arbor's northeast side, I drive to Hudson Mills as follows: head
north on US-23 and take exit 49, North Territorial Road
<x-apple-data-detectors://5>. Turn left (west) onto North Territorial and
drive about eight to nine miles. A few hundred feet after passing Huron
River Drive, turn left (south) into Hudson MillsMetropark. Take the second
right into a large carpark that ends at the big Activity Center. If you
reach Dexter-Pinckney Road (where there's a drive-through coffee shop), you
have driven too far west on North Territorial.
The park's website is at http://www.metroparks.com/ and mouse down on the
"Parks" link, choosing "Hudson Mills."
See you this Saturday, May 18 at 7:45 am <x-apple-data-detectors://7> sharp.
We will bird until the bird activity slows down, usually a little before
noon. You can leave the group at any time. Just ask me how to hike back to
the Activity Center's carpark. If you have questions, please message me.
PS. Save the date Sunday, May 19 <x-apple-data-detectors://9>, leaving Ann
Arbor at 5:50 am through late afternoon <x-apple-data-detectors://10>, for
our field trip to MAGEE MARSH in NW Ohio. Details to come.
Thanks, Sandie, for the Consumer Reports article. Having read it, however,
I would prefer to find another preventive, esp. for ticks.
What else works for you all? I'm going to the vet tomorrow, so will find
out what she recommends for felines. Although I will not use a pesticide
on us or kitties, I will still appreciate your suggestions and ideas.
Thank you,
Lisa Lava-Kellar
Ann Arbor
On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 9:59 AM 'seschulze' via Birders <
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Date: 5/15/19 7:22 am From: 'Mike Sefton' via Birders <birders...> Subject: [birders] Tonight: Manatees is free Washtenaw Audubon program, Wednesday, May 15, 7:30pm, Ann Arbor, all invited
> Birders and friends,
>
> Please join us tonight for the following free program. You do not have to be a Washtenaw Audubon member to attend.
>
> Wednesday, May 15, 7:30pm
>
> Saving the Endangered Manatee
>
> Katherine LaCommare, Ph.D., presents a program on one of nature’s most fascinating creatures, the Manatee. Dr. LaCommare, who teaches at the University of Michigan, Dearborn, has been studying Manatees for the past several years. Though they may not be the loveliest of mammals, they are among the most endearing and inoffensive. Unfortunately, they are also an endangered species. Join us as we learn what problems these animals face and what is being done to help them.
>
> This program is free and open to the public. Membership is not required, though we would welcome your membership to help with our environmental and educational activities. Washtenaw Audubon programs are held at the U-M Matthaei Botanical Gardens, 1800 North Dixboro Rd., Ann Arbor. In addition to the program, hear news of the latest critter sightings and field trips, and enjoy tasty snacks following the program. For more information on free Washtenaw Audubon programs and field trips, go to
> www.washtenawaudubon.org
>
> Hope to see you there.
>
> Mike Sefton
> Washtenaw Audubon
Catbirds and jelly I’ve seen several years ago for the first time. Let me know when you see Robins using the jelly as dipping sauce for earthworms. That happens too!
On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 8:21 PM -0400, "Mike Goethe" <michael.goethe...> wrote:
We have been hosting at least three pairs of Baltimore Orioles at the feeders in our back yard this spring. This evening I noticed a different looking bird fly in to perch near one of the Oriole feeders. By the time I grabbed the binoculars it had moved into the feeder. It was a Gray Catbird. We have seen them skulking in the yard a few times in the past, never regularly, but this is the first time I witnessed one boldly raiding the grape jelly cups. He (or she) is welcome, of course. Spent a minute or so gulping down as much as possible, then off into the trees to disappear.--
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Rochester Hills, MI
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We used a pole to mount the feeder then got a section of 6” or 8” round metal duct pipe and put it around the pole. It has to be fairly large so the raccoons can’t climb it. The pvc might be slippery enough to work.
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> On May 14, 2019, at 9:43 AM, thewdata_sa via Birders <birders...> wrote:
>
> Has anyone tried mounting feeders on a length of vertical 4" PVC pipe? I'm speculating that it will be shimmy-proof and confound the squirrels and racoons.
>
> Cheers, Bill
>
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Date: 5/14/19 7:01 pm From: 'Mike Sefton' via Birders <birders...> Subject: [birders] Manatees is free Washtenaw Audubon program, Wednesday, May 15, 7:30pm, Ann Arbor, all invited
Birders and friends,
Please join us for the following free program. You do not have to be a Washtenaw Audubon member to attend.
Wednesday, May 15, 7:30pm
Saving the Endangered Manatee
Katherine LaCommare, Ph.D., presents a program on one of nature’s most fascinating creatures, the Manatee. Dr. LaCommare, who teaches at the University of Michigan, Dearborn, has been studying Manatees for the past several years. Though they may not be the loveliest of mammals, they are among the most endearing and inoffensive. Unfortunately, they are also an endangered species. Join us as we learn what problems these animals face and what is being done to help them.
This program is free and open to the public. Membership is not required, though we would welcome your membership to help with our environmental and educational activities. Washtenaw Audubon programs are held at the U-M Matthaei Botanical Gardens, 1800 North Dixboro Rd., Ann Arbor. In addition to the program, hear news of the latest critter sightings and field trips, and enjoy tasty snacks following the program. For more information on free Washtenaw Audubon programs and field trips, go to
www.washtenawaudubon.org <http://www.washtenawaudubon.org/>
Catbirds LOVE the grape jelly too. I often have them although not for the past two years.
Sally Scheer
From: Mike Goethe [mailto:<michael.goethe...>]
Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2019 8:21 PM
To: Michigan Birders
Subject: [birders] Unusual Yard Bird
We have been hosting at least three pairs of Baltimore Orioles at the feeders in our back yard this spring. This evening I noticed a different looking bird fly in to perch near one of the Oriole feeders. By the time I grabbed the binoculars it had moved into the feeder. It was a Gray Catbird. We have seen them skulking in the yard a few times in the past, never regularly, but this is the first time I witnessed one boldly raiding the grape jelly cups. He (or she) is welcome, of course. Spent a minute or so gulping down as much as possible, then off into the trees to disappear.
We have been hosting at least three pairs of Baltimore Orioles at the feeders in our back yard this spring. This evening I noticed a different looking bird fly in to perch near one of the Oriole feeders. By the time I grabbed the binoculars it had moved into the feeder. It was a Gray Catbird. We have seen them skulking in the yard a few times in the past, never regularly, but this is the first time I witnessed one boldly raiding the grape jelly cups. He (or she) is welcome, of course. Spent a minute or so gulping down as much as possible, then off into the trees to disappear. -- -- Mike Goethe Rochester Hills, MI
Meet us at Plymouth Rd and US 23 Park and Ride at 6 pm sharp tonight. Wear waterproof boots. We’re going where the birds are every Tuesday in May. Join us!!
Juliet Berger
Date: 5/14/19 8:27 am From: Mary Alice H <mholz0226...> Subject: Re: [birders] feeder defenses
I am using a 6" diameter stove pipe on the 2 feeders that are stationary.
Works like a charm for raccoons & squirrels! The feeders are mounted on a
4x4 with the stovepipe over it. I think they are about 5 feet off the
ground.
Mary Alice
On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 11:19 AM Fred Kaluza <fkaluza...> wrote:
> Hard to believe that raccoons managed to get up that greasy 4” PVC John.
> Well, they probably appreciated your help in keeping them free of hair
> balls for a while anyway. Traditional stovepipe baffles “without grease”
> have been 100 percent effective here when placed properly. The only time
> they get circumvented is from squirrels who are able to leap up vertically
> from level ground about five feet to the lowest feeder or from dangly
> branches beside or above. The more solid or massive the surface they are
> on, the greater the distance the squirrels can leap so keep your stuff far
> enough away. Another thing I’ve recently found to be magnificently
> effective is hanging my feeders from a thin vertical or horizontal
> wire...between two trees in my case. When a supporting element “fits their
> grip”, they love it. All the better if it is rope or something rough or
> squeezable however, If you reduce the diameter to like 1/8” or so, it
> starts to be uncomfortable for them. So much so that they do not like
> moving along underneath using only their claws and they don't like having
> the wire between their toes or pads on their feet so they try but then
> quickly drop off. If it works for squirrels, it probably works even better
> for raccoons. For the wire I’m using some twisted galvanized wire from
> Menards. If you go the baffle route, lookup “stovepipe baffles”. For
> more on the wire method, see this YouTube clip. Sorry, the music makes it
> sound like a squirrel porno video. https://youtu.be/SS9fTIkndzY >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 10:12 AM -0400, "JOHN PARKER" <
> <parkerj15...> wrote:
>
> I have. Raccoons were able to scale the 4" pvc when I used it as a post. (Vaseline didn't help either.) So I set a 1.5" pvc post and placed a three-foot length of 4" pvc over that post. The larger pipe dangles from a bolt through the 1.5" and 4" at the top. The raccoons crawl up the narrow post but can't navigate the transition to the larger pipe... it isn't firmly set at the bottom, and they can't get a firm grip.
>> However, I have a platform feeder on top, and turkeys have established here the last couple years. They raid the feeder daily. (And I think they're responsible for kicking up the mulch around the trees in the yard this year, too.)
>> John Parker
>> Waterford
>>
>> > On May 14, 2019 at 9:43 AM thewdata_sa via Birders wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > Has anyone tried mounting feeders on a length of vertical 4" PVC pipe? I'm speculating that it will be shimmy-proof and confound the squirrels and racoons.
>> >
>> > Cheers, Bill
>> >
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Date: 5/14/19 8:19 am From: Fred Kaluza <fkaluza...> Subject: Re: [birders] feeder defenses
Hard to believe that raccoons managed to get up that greasy 4” PVC John. Well, they probably appreciated your help in keeping them free of hair balls for a while anyway. Traditional stovepipe baffles “without grease” have been 100 percent effective here when placed properly. The only time they get circumvented is from squirrels who are able to leap up vertically from level ground about five feet to the lowest feeder or from dangly branches beside or above. The more solid or massive the surface they are on, the greater the distance the squirrels can leap so keep your stuff far enough away. Another thing I’ve recently found to be magnificently effective is hanging my feeders from a thin vertical or horizontal wire...between two trees in my case. When a supporting element “fits their grip”, they love it. All the better if it is rope or something rough or squeezable however, If you reduce the diameter to like 1/8” or so, it starts to be uncomfortable for them. So much so that they do not like moving along underneath using only their claws and they don't like having the wire between their toes or pads on their feet so they try but then quickly drop off. If it works for squirrels, it probably works even better for raccoons. For the wire I’m using some twisted galvanized wire from Menards. If you go the baffle route, lookup “stovepipe baffles”. For more on the wire method, see this YouTube clip. Sorry, the music makes it sound like a squirrel porno video. https://youtu.be/SS9fTIkndzY
On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 10:12 AM -0400, "JOHN PARKER" <parkerj15...> wrote:
I have. Raccoons were able to scale the 4" pvc when I used it as a post. (Vaseline didn't help either.) So I set a 1.5" pvc post and placed a three-foot length of 4" pvc over that post. The larger pipe dangles from a bolt through the 1.5" and 4" at the top. The raccoons crawl up the narrow post but can't navigate the transition to the larger pipe... it isn't firmly set at the bottom, and they can't get a firm grip.
However, I have a platform feeder on top, and turkeys have established here the last couple years. They raid the feeder daily. (And I think they're responsible for kicking up the mulch around the trees in the yard this year, too.)
John Parker
Waterford
> On May 14, 2019 at 9:43 AM thewdata_sa via Birders wrote:
>
>
> Has anyone tried mounting feeders on a length of vertical 4" PVC pipe? I'm speculating that it will be shimmy-proof and confound the squirrels and racoons.
>
> Cheers, Bill
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Date: 5/14/19 7:12 am From: JOHN PARKER <parkerj15...> Subject: Re: [birders] feeder defenses
I have. Raccoons were able to scale the 4" pvc when I used it as a post. (Vaseline didn't help either.) So I set a 1.5" pvc post and placed a three-foot length of 4" pvc over that post. The larger pipe dangles from a bolt through the 1.5" and 4" at the top. The raccoons crawl up the narrow post but can't navigate the transition to the larger pipe... it isn't firmly set at the bottom, and they can't get a firm grip.
However, I have a platform feeder on top, and turkeys have established here the last couple years. They raid the feeder daily. (And I think they're responsible for kicking up the mulch around the trees in the yard this year, too.)
John Parker
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> Has anyone tried mounting feeders on a length of vertical 4" PVC pipe? I'm speculating that it will be shimmy-proof and confound the squirrels and racoons.
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Date: 5/14/19 6:59 am From: 'seschulze' via Birders <birders...> Subject: Re: [birders] Tick preventer help - caution
I have a permethrin sprayed outfit I wear when gardening. I also use a number of different repellents from the lemon/eucalyptis to skinsosoft to 40% Deet.
They all seem to work. Wearing nothing - doesn't work. I don't use the lint roller because if you've been outside, you will be covered with tiny dark things - bits of leaves, seeds, you name it.
Here is a great article from Consumer Reports:
https://www.consumerreports.org/insect-repellent/how-to-use-permethrin-on-clothing-safely/
Best wishes,Sandie
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Subject: Re: [birders] Tick preventer help - caution
I’ve been using essential oils.
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Subject: RE: [birders] Tick preventer help - caution Sally, HA! I got a chuckle out of the flea/tick collar thing. My Dad was a vet too and I’ve had dogs, and as far as collars go; I basically agree with your uncle! We didn’t have all the new-fangled drugs that are available now however. (A lot of the monthly treatments given by mouth now are at least helpful for flea and heartworm prevention. I can’t directly speak to efficacy of tick prevention for these.) Su,I would be EXTREMELY CAUTIOUS about taking advice posted in THIS forum about “helpful” things for cats: Keep in mind permethrin (very good for tick prevention on humans, and I’m find that true), is reportedly VERY TOXIC to cats (as opposed to dogs). It’s not beyond thinking that some cat-hater might promote its use… Ron G. From: Sally K. Scheer [mailto:<winerat...>]
Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2019 1:04 AM
To: 'Fred Kaluza'; 'Su Clift'; 'Birders'
Subject: RE: [birders] Tick preventer help I followed your link to explore the alternatives. I’m not convinced however. My uncle was a vet and while he did not have access to the new products like Bravecto (he retired many years ago), he always said a flea and tick COLLAR was find if it happened to land on the flea or tick and squashed it to death. Otherwise, they were useless.ASK YOUR VET From: Fred Kaluza [mailto:<fkaluza...>]
Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2019 10:14 PM
To: Su Clift; Birders
Subject: Re: [birders] Tick preventer help https://www.petco.com/shop/en/petcostore/product/seresto-flea-and-tick-collar-for-cats On Sat, May 11, 2019 at 9:13 PM -0400, "Su Clift" <coffeebeansu...> wrote:Apologies for off topic but someone mentioned a cat tick treatment that was effective for their cat above all others. It would be super helpful if you could tell me what that was. I have a situation of very ineffective results from using Revolution. Thanks!!!Su Clift in Adrian -- Birders is a service of the Great Lakes Commission. Visit us at www.glc.org--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Birders" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to birders+<unsubscribe...> post to this group, send email to <birders...> this group at https://groups.google.com/a/great-lakes.net/group/birders/.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/a/great-lakes.net/d/msgid/birders/<2A79D0AC-E5FB-4CD8-AA5E-18F9C2464D62...> more options, visit https://groups.google.com/a/great-lakes.net/d/optout.-- Birders is a service of the Great Lakes Commission. Visit us at www.glc.org
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Date: 5/14/19 6:43 am From: thewdata_sa via Birders <birders...> Subject: [birders] feeder defenses
Has anyone tried mounting feeders on a length of vertical 4" PVC pipe? I'm speculating that it will be shimmy-proof and confound the squirrels and racoons.
Date: 5/14/19 6:22 am From: thewdata_sa via Birders <birders...> Subject: Re: [birders] female Red-winged BB's
Thanks Allen, for the comment. Did you see them in numbers or was it an idiosyncratic female?
Several acres of my property are marshy thickets that seems to be prime breeding territory for a number (couple dozen?) of RWBB's and that provides a reservoir for an almost constant presence at the feeders. Yet these past 9 springs I've yet to see a female on the property earlier than April 18th. By late May their presence is as regular and noticeable as the males. Its possible the females are being demurre and dsicrete and I'm overlooking them, but that seems unlikely to me.
On Monday, May 13, 2019, 11:59:31 AM UTC, Allen Chartier <amazilia3...> wrote:
I saw my first female 2 months ago...
On Mon, May 13, 2019, 12:55 AM thewdata_sa via Birders <birders...> wrote:
Yesterday I saw my 1st female Red-winged Blackbirds of the year. Seems curious to me that the males have been vociferously defending territories for almost 3 months. Couldn't they have a gentlemen's agreement to skip the snow and instead all show up the end of April?
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Date: 5/14/19 6:22 am From: Caren <caren.shoemaker...> Subject: Re: [birders] Tick preventer help - caution
I’ve been using essential oils.
Sent from my iPhone
> On May 13, 2019, at 10:26 PM, Sally K. Scheer <winerat...> wrote:
>
> I haven’t hear about anyone recommending permethrin. Guess I should read more carefully. I’d like to find something that would be effective for humans.
> Bravecto for flea and tick prevention and Intercepter Plus for heartworm. Hard to prove a negative (my dog takes these things and does not have either ticks or heartworm – Chance or lack of exposure or the medicine – how to prove) but I’ll stick with them.
>
> Glad to hear another well-informed person agrees with my uncle as well as I always have. I actually had two uncles who were vets. They were in practice together in Monroe for years until the older uncle retired and the younger uncle moved to Tecumseh. Another fun storey: both their last names stared with Kn but one name pronounced the K and the other one had a SILENT K as in knife. You could always tell which person had met which vet first by the way they pronounced the last name.
>
> Sally Scheer
>
> From: Ron Gamble [mailto:<rongamble...>]
> Sent: Monday, May 13, 2019 5:05 PM
> To: <winerat...>; <coffeebeansu...>
> Subject: RE: [birders] Tick preventer help - caution
>
> Sally,
>
> HA! I got a chuckle out of the flea/tick collar thing.
>
> My Dad was a vet too and I’ve had dogs, and as far as collars go; I basically agree with your uncle! We didn’t have all the new-fangled drugs that are available now however. (A lot of the monthly treatments given by mouth now are at least helpful for flea and heartworm prevention. I can’t directly speak to efficacy of tick prevention for these.)
>
> Su,
> I would be EXTREMELY CAUTIOUS about taking advice posted in THIS forum about “helpful” things for cats: Keep in mind permethrin (very good for tick prevention on humans, and I’m find that true), is reportedly VERY TOXIC to cats (as opposed to dogs). It’s not beyond thinking that some cat-hater might promote its use…
>
> Ron G.
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Sally K. Scheer [mailto:<winerat...>]
> Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2019 1:04 AM
> To: 'Fred Kaluza'; 'Su Clift'; 'Birders'
> Subject: RE: [birders] Tick preventer help
>
> I followed your link to explore the alternatives. I’m not convinced however. My uncle was a vet and while he did not have access to the new products like Bravecto (he retired many years ago), he always said a flea and tick COLLAR was find if it happened to land on the flea or tick and squashed it to death. Otherwise, they were useless.
> ASK YOUR VET
>
> From: Fred Kaluza [mailto:<fkaluza...>]
> Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2019 10:14 PM
> To: Su Clift; Birders
> Subject: Re: [birders] Tick preventer help
>
>
> https://www.petco.com/shop/en/petcostore/product/seresto-flea-and-tick-collar-for-cats >
>
>
> On Sat, May 11, 2019 at 9:13 PM -0400, "Su Clift" <coffeebeansu...> wrote:
>
> Apologies for off topic but someone mentioned a cat tick treatment that was effective for their cat above all others. It would be super helpful if you could tell me what that was. I have a situation of very ineffective results from using Revolution. Thanks!!!
> Su Clift in Adrian
>
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Date: 5/13/19 7:26 pm From: Sally K. Scheer <winerat...> Subject: RE: [birders] Tick preventer help - caution
I haven’t hear about anyone recommending permethrin. Guess I should read more carefully. I’d like to find something that would be effective for humans.
Bravecto for flea and tick prevention and Intercepter Plus for heartworm. Hard to prove a negative (my dog takes these things and does not have either ticks or heartworm – Chance or lack of exposure or the medicine – how to prove) but I’ll stick with them.
Glad to hear another well-informed person agrees with my uncle as well as I always have. I actually had two uncles who were vets. They were in practice together in Monroe for years until the older uncle retired and the younger uncle moved to Tecumseh. Another fun storey: both their last names stared with Kn but one name pronounced the K and the other one had a SILENT K as in knife. You could always tell which person had met which vet first by the way they pronounced the last name.
Sally Scheer
From: Ron Gamble [mailto:<rongamble...>]
Sent: Monday, May 13, 2019 5:05 PM
To: <winerat...>; <coffeebeansu...>
Subject: RE: [birders] Tick preventer help - caution
Sally,
HA! I got a chuckle out of the flea/tick collar thing.
My Dad was a vet too and I’ve had dogs, and as far as collars go; I basically agree with your uncle! We didn’t have all the new-fangled drugs that are available now however. (A lot of the monthly treatments given by mouth now are at least helpful for flea and heartworm prevention. I can’t directly speak to efficacy of tick prevention for these.)
Su,
I would be EXTREMELY CAUTIOUS about taking advice posted in THIS forum about “helpful” things for cats: Keep in mind permethrin (very good for tick prevention on humans, and I’m find that true), is reportedly VERY TOXIC to cats (as opposed to dogs). It’s not beyond thinking that some cat-hater might promote its use…
Ron G.
From: Sally K. Scheer [mailto:<winerat...>]
Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2019 1:04 AM
To: 'Fred Kaluza'; 'Su Clift'; 'Birders'
Subject: RE: [birders] Tick preventer help
I followed your link to explore the alternatives. I’m not convinced however. My uncle was a vet and while he did not have access to the new products like Bravecto (he retired many years ago), he always said a flea and tick COLLAR was find if it happened to land on the flea or tick and squashed it to death. Otherwise, they were useless.
ASK YOUR VET
From: Fred Kaluza [mailto:<fkaluza...>]
Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2019 10:14 PM
To: Su Clift; Birders
Subject: Re: [birders] Tick preventer help
On Sat, May 11, 2019 at 9:13 PM -0400, "Su Clift" <coffeebeansu...> wrote:
Apologies for off topic but someone mentioned a cat tick treatment that was effective for their cat above all others. It would be super helpful if you could tell me what that was. I have a situation of very ineffective results from using Revolution. Thanks!!!
Su Clift in Adrian
Date: 5/13/19 10:15 am From: Phil Bugosh <peb729...> Subject: [birders] Oakland Audubon Society Field Trip Saturday, May 18, Tawas State Park
Saturday May 18, 2019, 8:00am-12:00pm. Tawas State Park. Leader: Dan Gertiser (<dangertiser...>) Explore one of the greatest spots to enjoy spring migration. We will spend the morning exploring the tip, scanning the beaches for shorebirds and then working our way north thru the campground. After lunch we will head to Tuttle Marsh, a good spot to hear Sora and American Bitterns. If we are lucky we may even get to see one. Mosquitos should not be a problem, but plan on cooler temperatures next to the lake. There are modern bathroom facilities at Tawas Point. Meet in the last parking lot at the south end of the park. This will be close to the bathhouse, and just to the east of the light house. A state recreation passport is required.
Please see our website (http://www.oaklandaudubon.org) for details about upcoming field trips, meetings and the Young Birder's Club. Contact the field trip leaders if you have additional questions. You do not have to be a member to participate. Everyone is welcome.
Date: 5/13/19 7:30 am From: 'Suzanne (Moses) Vedder' via Birders <birders...> Subject: [birders] New Migrants
Orioles, Grosbeaks, Blackbirds, Pine Warblers, Finches, Woodpeckers, Chickadees, Titmouse, and Nuthatches are all fighting over the suet cakes. I have oranges and grape jelly out, and there is a party in my yard with all the guest devouring the refreshments. Ruby-throated Hummingbird showed up along with the Scarlet Tanagers, Gray Catbirds, and Green Heron (two fly-overs). This morning I was visited by Blue-headed Vireos. I don't think I've ever had such good looks...right outside my window. Beautiful!
Suzanne in Big Rapids
"Your worst days are never so bad that you are beyond the reach of God's grace, and your best days are never so good that you are beyond the need of God's grace." - Jerry Bridges
Date: 5/13/19 5:45 am From: William Foxboro <williamfoxboro...> Subject: Re: [birders] Re: Help to ID hovering raptor
The sharp-shinned and the Cooper's are both genus Accipter, accipter striatus and accipter cooperii, respectively, unless somebody's been playing with the taxonomy.
On Sun, May 12, 2019 at 6:55 PM madxofaa <madxofaa...> wrote:
> I've had a couple votes for American Kestrel and a couple for Northern > Harrier, along with a shout-out for Merlin. No one suggested an Accipiter. > it comes down to a female Kestrel or an immature male Harrier. I saw a > similar Harrier over Trinkle Marsh Saturday, 5 miles from Pierce Lake GC > (Mike Bowen's photo of it is on the eBird checklist for the 11th). I'm > hoping I see it again at Pierce Lake. > Thank you for your assistance. > ..Bob > > On Fri, May 10, 2019 at 8:46 AM Michelle Crandall < > <mcrandallrnbsn...> wrote: > >> I'd throw in a Northern Harrier for consideration too. They are about >> Coop/Sharpie sized. They are the ones I've seen hovering most often over >> corn fields and golf courses, although kestrels are certainly a good >> possibility too. Just depends on the size... harriers are about twice the >> size of a kestrel. Both are fun to watch! :-) >> >> Michelle >> >> On Thursday, May 9, 2019 at 6:32:47 AM UTC-4, madxofaa wrote: >>> >>> Yesterday at Pierce Lake Golf Course in Chelsea I watched a >>> hovering-in-place small, long-tailed raptor, about 15-20 feet above an >>> open, mowed grass area, in a mild wind. I did not see it dive. >>> I know that Kestrals do this and Merlins generally don't, but it seemed >>> just a bit larger than an AMKE, but possible. It was too far away for me >>> to detect color or banding, other than it was mostly pail brown. Given >>> that it had a long tail, do Sharp-shinned's hover in place? >>> >>> thanks for any help, >>> ..Bob Maddox >>> >> -- >> Birders is a service of the Great Lakes Commission. Visit us at >> www.glc.org >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Birders" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to birders+<unsubscribe...> >> To post to this group, send email to <birders...> >> Visit this group at >> https://groups.google.com/a/great-lakes.net/group/birders/. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/a/great-lakes.net/d/msgid/birders/<6d05320d-97af-470b-aaea-94f1ec7a3317...> >> <https://groups.google.com/a/great-lakes.net/d/msgid/birders/<6d05320d-97af-470b-aaea-94f1ec7a3317...>?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >> . >> For more options, visit >> https://groups.google.com/a/great-lakes.net/d/optout. >> > -- > Birders is a service of the Great Lakes Commission. Visit us at > www.glc.org > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Birders" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to birders+<unsubscribe...> > To post to this group, send email to <birders...> > Visit this group at > https://groups.google.com/a/great-lakes.net/group/birders/. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/a/great-lakes.net/d/msgid/birders/<CACb80_dPmpAxQGFvhO15hMERY4__v5udfORvVhSQ30d7dxNKog...> > <https://groups.google.com/a/great-lakes.net/d/msgid/birders/<CACb80_dPmpAxQGFvhO15hMERY4__v5udfORvVhSQ30d7dxNKog...>?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > For more options, visit > https://groups.google.com/a/great-lakes.net/d/optout. >
Date: 5/13/19 5:41 am From: William Foxboro <williamfoxboro...> Subject: Re: [birders] female Red-winged BB's
It would be short-livedd. The gentlemen would all show up and find the non-gentlemen (the cads!) firmly in possession, not only of the territories, but quite probably of the ladies as well!
On Mon, May 13, 2019 at 12:55 AM thewdata_sa via Birders < <birders...> wrote:
> Yesterday I saw my 1st female Red-winged Blackbirds of the year. Seems > curious to me that the males have been vociferously defending territories > for almost 3 months. Couldn't they have a gentlemen's agreement to skip > the snow and instead all show up the end of April? > > Cheers, > Bill Butler > > -- > Birders is a service of the Great Lakes Commission. Visit us at > www.glc.org > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Birders" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to birders+<unsubscribe...> > To post to this group, send email to <birders...> > Visit this group at > https://groups.google.com/a/great-lakes.net/group/birders/. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/a/great-lakes.net/d/msgid/birders/<855005917.3246699.1557723335774...> > . > For more options, visit > https://groups.google.com/a/great-lakes.net/d/optout. >
Date: 5/13/19 4:25 am From: Phil Bugosh <peb729...> Subject: [birders] Reminder: OAS Evening Nature Walk Tuesday May 14, 2019, 6:30 p.m
Tuesday May 14, 2019, 6:30 p.m. Nature Walk at E.L. Johnson Nature Center. This is our annual evening nature walk that takes the place of the May membership meeting. Join us at E.L. Johnson Nature Center in Bloomfield Hills, 3325 Franklin Rd, Bloomfield Hills, MI 48302. Meet in the parking lot of the Nature Center. Refreshments will be served after the walk. Great for families. Everyone is welcome.
Please see our website (http://www.oaklandaudubon.org) for details about upcoming field trips, meetings and the Young Birder's Club. Contact the field trip leaders if you have additional questions. You do not have to be a member to participate.
Yesterday I saw my 1st female Red-winged Blackbirds of the year. Seems curious to me that the males have been vociferously defending territories for almost 3 months. Couldn't they have a gentlemen's agreement to skip the snow and instead all show up the end of April?
Date: 5/12/19 7:31 pm From: Sally K. Scheer <winerat...> Subject: [birders] North country fist hummer!! and a phoebe
Up north of Rogers City for a few days on the shores of Lake Huron at Hammond Bay. I put up my hummer feeder last time I was here a week or more ago in a place where the squirrels don't get to it (hanging from the edge of the gutters) and hoped they would find it if they arrived early.
WELL, my Mother's Day was complete while I was speaking on the phone to our son in California when the first male hummer made at least three trips to the feeder.
No orioles up here but the hummers are a regular feature.
Another regular friend is the phoebe that calls and calls and calls much of the day. The neighbors are not too versed in bird calls and think the FEE-BEE call of the Chickadee is a phoebe. Having a hard time convincing them and have stopped trying lest I make enemies of my neighbors.
Sally Scheer North of Rogers City MI on Hammond Bay
Thanks to all who helped on the WAS May Count yesterday. We'll post here when we have tallied all the species, but it looks like it was a great day (despite the cold). We could not survey the whole county without help from literally dozens of birders. All the volunteers give so much to make Washtenaw Audubon such a wonderful group to be a part of. And, since we share all of our lists with eBird, we are contributing to the understanding of bird migration in our area. Well done!! Juliet Berger President, Washtenaw Audubon Society
At about 4:00 this afternoon I watched a spectacular Red-headed Woodpecker working the trees along the east edge of Cassidy Rd., about 150 feet north of the prison (or whatever it is) entrance. Incidentally, they've cut down dozens of large trees along the road north of the entrance.
There were also multiple small mixed flocks of warblers -- Northern Parula, Black-throated Green and Am. Redstart were the most common -- and lots of Yellow-throated Vireos on Cassidy, Roe, Boyce and Embury Rds. Embury also produced multiple Scarlet Tanagers near the northernmost high hill on the road.
Date: 5/12/19 3:55 pm From: madxofaa <madxofaa...> Subject: Re: [birders] Re: Help to ID hovering raptor
I've had a couple votes for American Kestrel and a couple for Northern Harrier, along with a shout-out for Merlin. No one suggested an Accipiter. it comes down to a female Kestrel or an immature male Harrier. I saw a similar Harrier over Trinkle Marsh Saturday, 5 miles from Pierce Lake GC (Mike Bowen's photo of it is on the eBird checklist for the 11th). I'm hoping I see it again at Pierce Lake. Thank you for your assistance. ..Bob
On Fri, May 10, 2019 at 8:46 AM Michelle Crandall <mcrandallrnbsn...> wrote:
> I'd throw in a Northern Harrier for consideration too. They are about > Coop/Sharpie sized. They are the ones I've seen hovering most often over > corn fields and golf courses, although kestrels are certainly a good > possibility too. Just depends on the size... harriers are about twice the > size of a kestrel. Both are fun to watch! :-) > > Michelle > > On Thursday, May 9, 2019 at 6:32:47 AM UTC-4, madxofaa wrote: >> >> Yesterday at Pierce Lake Golf Course in Chelsea I watched a >> hovering-in-place small, long-tailed raptor, about 15-20 feet above an >> open, mowed grass area, in a mild wind. I did not see it dive. >> I know that Kestrals do this and Merlins generally don't, but it seemed >> just a bit larger than an AMKE, but possible. It was too far away for me >> to detect color or banding, other than it was mostly pail brown. Given >> that it had a long tail, do Sharp-shinned's hover in place? >> >> thanks for any help, >> ..Bob Maddox >> > -- > Birders is a service of the Great Lakes Commission. Visit us at > www.glc.org > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Birders" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to birders+<unsubscribe...> > To post to this group, send email to <birders...> > Visit this group at > https://groups.google.com/a/great-lakes.net/group/birders/. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/a/great-lakes.net/d/msgid/birders/<6d05320d-97af-470b-aaea-94f1ec7a3317...> > <https://groups.google.com/a/great-lakes.net/d/msgid/birders/<6d05320d-97af-470b-aaea-94f1ec7a3317...>?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > For more options, visit > https://groups.google.com/a/great-lakes.net/d/optout. >
Date: 5/12/19 12:07 pm From: <waynef...> Subject: [birders] Is early birding better?
The conventional wisdom is that to get the best birds it is important to be out really early. Whenever I have tried it, I have wondered why I bothered. There have been too many times when the best flock of the day showed up in early afternoon. What are your experiences?
My guess is that in the height of nesting season, when the birds are paired up and on established territories, many birds sing a bit early in the day, and then quiet down. During migration and when they are first arriving on territory, they stay active much longer in the day. Since most of my birding is during migration, I see them active all day.
In desert habitat, midday really is very quiet. I also think that birds are more active late in the day on cloudy days than on sunny ones.
I think that when Sibley talks about first year birds, he means the almost one year old ones born last year. They are often drabber than older birds.
> On May 12, 2019, at 2:05 PM, Eric Arnold <eba...> wrote:
>
> I notice variations in the coloring of Baltimore orioles at my feeder that suggest I'm seeing birds that Sibley describes as "drab 1st year" female or "1st fall" male as well as what appear to be adult males and females. I'm wondering how soon after the first appearance of the mature birds I might expect to see the younger generation's appearance at my feeders. There are what appear to be adult-size birds with much lighter head color than the typical adult female that Sibley shows, but they seem to appear much sooner than what I might expect for this year's new crop of young birds.
>
> How long does it take for the youngsters to show up after the adults have returned?
>
> Eric
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Date: 5/12/19 11:05 am From: Eric Arnold <eba...> Subject: [birders] Baltimore oriole maturation question
I notice variations in the coloring of Baltimore orioles at my feeder that suggest I'm seeing birds that Sibley describes as "drab 1st year" female or "1st fall" male as well as what appear to be adult males and females. I'm wondering how soon after the first appearance of the mature birds I might expect to see the younger generation's appearance at my feeders. There are what appear to be adult-size birds with much lighter head color than the typical adult female that Sibley shows, but they seem to appear much sooner than what I might expect for this year's new crop of young birds.
How long does it take for the youngsters to show up after the adults have returned?
Date: 5/12/19 10:55 am From: Fred Kaluza <fkaluza...> Subject: [birders] Hummingtime App?
Does anyone know of an IOS timer app that would work well here? As I sit and watch a hummingbird (or Hummingbirds) come and go to my feeder one at a time,, I thought it would be cool to simply hit start and stop on my cell phone and let it capture actual time stamps in an exportable list. As soon as the bird shows up, I hit start. When it leaves, I hit stop. Over a couple hours (yes I can sit and watch that long), I thought it would be neat to see whether a pattern develops by plotting the values on a graph. Do I have more than one bird? Do they return more often on cool days? More in the morning than at mid day? How soon after sunrise and how long before sunset? Cloudy days versus sunny days etc.
See the ebird rare bird report for Michigan below.
Dea
Deaver D. Armstrong
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Date: 5/12/19 5:01 am From: 'Edie Britt' via Birders <birders...> Subject: Re: [birders] Tick preventer help
Revolution gave my dog grand mall seizures that became progressively worse until her death five years later. She ended up on three daily drugs, Valium injection, and many trips to emergency. Her quality of life shifted from a dog who could clear a fence like a deer to a dog who had to have a sling to "go out" to do her business. I've heard the same about Bravecto. Proceed with caution.Lemongrass oil works.
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On Saturday, May 11, 2019, Su Clift <coffeebeansu...> wrote:
Apologies for off topic but someone mentioned a cat tick treatment that was effective for their cat above all others. It would be super helpful if you could tell me what that was. I have a situation of very ineffective results from using Revolution. Thanks!!!
Su Clift in Adrian
Date: 5/12/19 2:16 am From: Karen Markey <ylime...> Subject: [birders] Planning for the WAS Field Trip to Magee Marsh on Sunday, May 19
Please join me for a Washtenaw Audubon Society field trip to Magee Marsh one week from today on Sunday, May 19. We will carpool from the Plymouth Road park-and-ride parking lot at 5:50 am, leaving the lot at 6 am sharp. Please do not arrive late at the park-and-ride lot because we could be gone! (The park-and-ride lot is on the southwest corner of the US-23 and Plymouth Road intersection.)
Alternatively, you can meet me and the rest of the carpoolers at the "Warbler Display" at Magee Marsh's WEST boardwalk entrance at about 7:15 a.m. I plan to return to Ann Arbor in late afternoon, possibly making a stop at nearby Howard Marsh, Metzger Marsh, or Maumee Bay State Park, but individual drivers and their carpools may arrange to come back sooner. Bring a hat, insect repellent, lunch, and plenty of water or fluids for hydration. There is NO food or drink for sale at Magee Marsh or anywhere nearby -- please pack a LUNCH along with plenty of WATER and your favorite snacks and soft drinks.
The Marsh should be at peak for late male birds, female birds generally, and flycatchers. The crowd from the festival should be long gone.
Looking at the long-range forecast for Sunday, May 19, I would suggest you plan for a warm start in the low 60s, getting warmer with temperatures reaching the mid 70s, beautiful south winds (coaxing birds to Magee), and no threat of rain for a change. Bring a hat, insect repellent, poncho or rain jacket, and sunscreen, and layer your clothes for both cool and warm conditions. Magee Marsh is boardwalk so athletic shoes/sneakers should be fine.
If you have questions, please message me at ylime AT umich.edu. See you at the Plymouth Road park-and-ride carpark at 5:50 am or at the Magee Marsh warbler display at 7:15 am next Sunday, May 19.
PS. Messaging me that you are meeting me at the Plymouth Road park-and-ride lot would be helpful so that I know you will be joining the trip.
Date: 5/11/19 10:04 pm From: Sally K. Scheer <winerat...> Subject: RE: [birders] Tick preventer help
I followed your link to explore the alternatives. I’m not convinced however. My uncle was a vet and while he did not have access to the new products like Bravecto (he retired many years ago), he always said a flea and tick COLLAR was find if it happened to land on the flea or tick and squashed it to death. Otherwise, they were useless.
ASK YOUR VET
From: Fred Kaluza [mailto:<fkaluza...>]
Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2019 10:14 PM
To: Su Clift; Birders
Subject: Re: [birders] Tick preventer help
On Sat, May 11, 2019 at 9:13 PM -0400, "Su Clift" <coffeebeansu...> wrote:
Apologies for off topic but someone mentioned a cat tick treatment that was effective for their cat above all others. It would be super helpful if you could tell me what that was. I have a situation of very ineffective results from using Revolution. Thanks!!!
Su Clift in Adrian
On Sat, May 11, 2019 at 9:13 PM -0400, "Su Clift" <coffeebeansu...> wrote:
Apologies for off topic but someone mentioned a cat tick treatment that was effective for their cat above all others. It would be super helpful if you could tell me what that was. I have a situation of very ineffective results from using Revolution. Thanks!!!
Su Clift in Adrian
Date: 5/11/19 6:13 pm From: Su Clift <coffeebeansu...> Subject: [birders] Tick preventer help
Apologies for off topic but someone mentioned a cat tick treatment that was effective for their cat above all others. It would be super helpful if you could tell me what that was. I have a situation of very ineffective results from using Revolution. Thanks!!!
Su Clift in Adrian
Date: 5/11/19 7:38 am From: Fred Kaluza <fkaluza...> Subject: Re: [birders] OT: Inexpensive grape jelly for orioles
Yow that’s a deal. They don’t use high fructose corn syrup in Jelly do they? I don’t know if it’s bad for birds but...why take a chance?
On Sat, May 11, 2019 at 10:05 AM -0400, "'John Gannon' via Birders" <birders...> wrote:
If you are going through grape jelly as fast as I am this spring, you may be interested in 30- oz jar of grape jelly (made in USA) at Save-A-Lot on Washtenaw Ave, for $1.69.
John
Dexter Twp.
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