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5/1/26 9:34 am Pat OHoro <psub...> Re: [JERSEYBI] Expert ears needed...
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4/30/26 6:27 pm Pat OHoro <psub...> Re: [JERSEYBI] Expert ears needed...
4/30/26 10:03 am Laurie Larson <0000057b603ab9b2-dmarc-request...> Re: [JERSEYBI] Expert ears needed...
4/30/26 8:22 am Pat OHoro <psub...> [JERSEYBI] Expert ears needed...
4/21/26 4:15 pm Susie R. <njt456...> [JERSEYBI] First hummer
4/7/26 6:21 am Evan Cutler <evancutler...> [JERSEYBI] Montclair Bird Club monthly program: "The eBird Review Process - A Peek Behind the Curtain"
 
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Date: 5/1/26 9:34 am
From: Pat OHoro <psub...>
Subject: Re: [JERSEYBI] Expert ears needed...
Hi Joseph,

Thanks for comparing!

I do think Marc is on to something.

Regards,

Pat

On 2026-04-30 22:26, Joseph wrote:
> Hey Pat,
>
> I took a listen to Bell's Vireo after reading this and I think it's
> very
> similar as well. I wouldn't have even considered it an option!
>
> Joseph Salmieri Jr.
>
> On Thu, Apr 30, 2026, 9:27 PM Pat OHoro <psub...> wrote:
>
>> Hi Marc,
>>
>> I just listened to Bell's Vireo, and I think you may have nailed it.
>> It sounds the same to me.
>> There are about 200 sightings of Bell's in NJ, so uncommon but not
>> rare.
>>
>> I'm not surprised by a frequency shift.
>> I was looking at a sonogram of some White-throated Sparrows I made and
>> was surprised by the center frequency point of the different birds.
>>
>> Bradley's suggestion of RCKI was good especially considering the date
>> and location.
>> But the Bell's really matched to me.
>> The CAWA was another reasonable suggestion, but it turns out the CAWA
>> songbird is just too musical to be the recording.
>>
>> If anyone else wants to compare the Bell's to the recording, I welcome
>> it.
>>
>> Otherwise, I'll make Jeff play judge and jury on eBird.
>>
>> Marc - I'll remember to ask for the story next time I see you :)
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Pat
>>
>>
>> On 2026-04-30 17:45, CHELEMER, MARC J wrote:
>> > Pat,
>> >
>> > Have a listen to various recordings of Bell's Vireo. I happen to have
>> > been listening to a real Bell's Vireo just yesterday in Nevada and
>> > this sounds very much like one, just a bit higher pitched than normal.
>> > But that jumbled unpatterned chattering is SO similar.
>> >
>> > The behavior matches, too: deep in shrubs, never comes out. Remind
>> > me to tell you the story of my first Bell's Vireo, which was in 1972.
>> > It's the stuff of Chelemer family legend.
>> >
>> > Marc Chelemer
>> >
>> > From: JerseyBirds <JERSEYBI...> On Behalf Of Pat
>> > OHoro
>> > Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2026 11:21 AM
>> > To: <JERSEYBI...>
>> > Subject: [JERSEYBI] Expert ears needed...
>> >
>> > Hi All, I recorded a bird song that neither Merlin nor
>> > BirdNET-Analyzer recognized. I took off geographic restrictions and
>> > get a striped sparrow but I believe this to be incorrect. The sound is
>> > clear, it was from a bird/animal in shrubs which
>> >
>> > Hi All,
>> >
>> > I recorded a bird song that neither Merlin nor BirdNET-Analyzer
>> >
>> > recognized.
>> >
>> > I took off geographic restrictions and get a striped sparrow but I
>> >
>> > believe this to be incorrect.
>> >
>> > The sound is clear, it was from a bird/animal in shrubs which never
>> >
>> > showed itself and went silent when something spooked all of the birds
>> > in
>> >
>> > the area.
>> >
>> > I pretty sure it is not another type of animal based upon the
>> > frequency
>> >
>> > and cadence.
>> >
>> > Here is a link:
>> >
>> >
>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/356850726__;!!BhdT!mcZRKvUchfJJ23yHpePJFTtz3xnXlhS_e3gHt8wwkvOc52Ge1D2PtYwxj5is2KOqZLRTDrNwOg$
>> > [1]
>> >
>> > The bird can be heard starting at 2 and 15 seconds.
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> >
>> > Pat
>> >
>> > List Guidelines:
>> >
>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://lists.princeton.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind2107&L=JERSEYBI&P=R685&X=OE8E22FEF3A2B10DFE5__;!!BhdT!mcZRKvUchfJJ23yHpePJFTtz3xnXlhS_e3gHt8wwkvOc52Ge1D2PtYwxj5is2KOqZLRqrfDJng$
>> > [2]
>> >
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>> >
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>> > [3]
>> >
>> > NJ Bird Records Committee:
>> >
>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.njbrc.com__;!!BhdT!mcZRKvUchfJJ23yHpePJFTtz3xnXlhS_e3gHt8wwkvOc52Ge1D2PtYwxj5is2KOqZLSUG8vXJQ$
>> > [4]
>> >
>> >
>> > Links:
>> > ------
>> > [1]
>> >
>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.inaturalist.org/observations/356850726__;!!BhdT!mcZRKvUchfJJ23yHpePJFTtz3xnXlhS_e3gHt8wwkvOc52Ge1D2PtYwxj5is2KOqZLRTDrNwOg$
>> > [2]
>> >
>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/lists.princeton.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind2107&L=JERSEYBI&P=R685&X=OE8E22FEF3A2B10DFE5__;!!BhdT!mcZRKvUchfJJ23yHpePJFTtz3xnXlhS_e3gHt8wwkvOc52Ge1D2PtYwxj5is2KOqZLRqrfDJng$
>> > [3]
>> >
>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/lists.princeton.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A0=jerseybi__;!!BhdT!mcZRKvUchfJJ23yHpePJFTtz3xnXlhS_e3gHt8wwkvOc52Ge1D2PtYwxj5is2KOqZLRib_NFCA$
>> > [4]
>> >
>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__http:/www.njbrc.com__;!!BhdT!mcZRKvUchfJJ23yHpePJFTtz3xnXlhS_e3gHt8wwkvOc52Ge1D2PtYwxj5is2KOqZLSUG8vXJQ$
>>
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>>
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Date: 4/30/26 7:27 pm
From: Joseph <jsalmierijr...>
Subject: Re: [JERSEYBI] Expert ears needed...
Hey Pat,

I took a listen to Bell's Vireo after reading this and I think it's very
similar as well. I wouldn't have even considered it an option!

Joseph Salmieri Jr.

On Thu, Apr 30, 2026, 9:27 PM Pat OHoro <psub...> wrote:

> Hi Marc,
>
> I just listened to Bell's Vireo, and I think you may have nailed it.
> It sounds the same to me.
> There are about 200 sightings of Bell's in NJ, so uncommon but not rare.
>
> I'm not surprised by a frequency shift.
> I was looking at a sonogram of some White-throated Sparrows I made and
> was surprised by the center frequency point of the different birds.
>
> Bradley's suggestion of RCKI was good especially considering the date
> and location.
> But the Bell's really matched to me.
> The CAWA was another reasonable suggestion, but it turns out the CAWA
> songbird is just too musical to be the recording.
>
> If anyone else wants to compare the Bell's to the recording, I welcome
> it.
>
> Otherwise, I'll make Jeff play judge and jury on eBird.
>
> Marc - I'll remember to ask for the story next time I see you :)
>
> Cheers,
>
> Pat
>
>
> On 2026-04-30 17:45, CHELEMER, MARC J wrote:
> > Pat,
> >
> > Have a listen to various recordings of Bell's Vireo. I happen to have
> > been listening to a real Bell's Vireo just yesterday in Nevada and
> > this sounds very much like one, just a bit higher pitched than normal.
> > But that jumbled unpatterned chattering is SO similar.
> >
> > The behavior matches, too: deep in shrubs, never comes out. Remind
> > me to tell you the story of my first Bell's Vireo, which was in 1972.
> > It's the stuff of Chelemer family legend.
> >
> > Marc Chelemer
> >
> > From: JerseyBirds <JERSEYBI...> On Behalf Of Pat
> > OHoro
> > Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2026 11:21 AM
> > To: <JERSEYBI...>
> > Subject: [JERSEYBI] Expert ears needed...
> >
> > Hi All, I recorded a bird song that neither Merlin nor
> > BirdNET-Analyzer recognized. I took off geographic restrictions and
> > get a striped sparrow but I believe this to be incorrect. The sound is
> > clear, it was from a bird/animal in shrubs which
> >
> > Hi All,
> >
> > I recorded a bird song that neither Merlin nor BirdNET-Analyzer
> >
> > recognized.
> >
> > I took off geographic restrictions and get a striped sparrow but I
> >
> > believe this to be incorrect.
> >
> > The sound is clear, it was from a bird/animal in shrubs which never
> >
> > showed itself and went silent when something spooked all of the birds
> > in
> >
> > the area.
> >
> > I pretty sure it is not another type of animal based upon the
> > frequency
> >
> > and cadence.
> >
> > Here is a link:
> >
> >
> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/356850726__;!!BhdT!mcZRKvUchfJJ23yHpePJFTtz3xnXlhS_e3gHt8wwkvOc52Ge1D2PtYwxj5is2KOqZLRTDrNwOg$
> > [1]
> >
> > The bird can be heard starting at 2 and 15 seconds.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Pat
> >
> > List Guidelines:
> >
> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://lists.princeton.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind2107&L=JERSEYBI&P=R685&X=OE8E22FEF3A2B10DFE5__;!!BhdT!mcZRKvUchfJJ23yHpePJFTtz3xnXlhS_e3gHt8wwkvOc52Ge1D2PtYwxj5is2KOqZLRqrfDJng$
> > [2]
> >
> > List help: <jerseybi-request...>
> >
> > List archives:
> >
> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://lists.princeton.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A0=jerseybi__;!!BhdT!mcZRKvUchfJJ23yHpePJFTtz3xnXlhS_e3gHt8wwkvOc52Ge1D2PtYwxj5is2KOqZLRib_NFCA$
> > [3]
> >
> > NJ Bird Records Committee:
> >
> https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.njbrc.com__;!!BhdT!mcZRKvUchfJJ23yHpePJFTtz3xnXlhS_e3gHt8wwkvOc52Ge1D2PtYwxj5is2KOqZLSUG8vXJQ$
> > [4]
> >
> >
> > Links:
> > ------
> > [1]
> >
> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.inaturalist.org/observations/356850726__;!!BhdT!mcZRKvUchfJJ23yHpePJFTtz3xnXlhS_e3gHt8wwkvOc52Ge1D2PtYwxj5is2KOqZLRTDrNwOg$
> > [2]
> >
> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/lists.princeton.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind2107&L=JERSEYBI&P=R685&X=OE8E22FEF3A2B10DFE5__;!!BhdT!mcZRKvUchfJJ23yHpePJFTtz3xnXlhS_e3gHt8wwkvOc52Ge1D2PtYwxj5is2KOqZLRqrfDJng$
> > [3]
> >
> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/lists.princeton.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A0=jerseybi__;!!BhdT!mcZRKvUchfJJ23yHpePJFTtz3xnXlhS_e3gHt8wwkvOc52Ge1D2PtYwxj5is2KOqZLRib_NFCA$
> > [4]
> >
> https://urldefense.com/v3/__http:/www.njbrc.com__;!!BhdT!mcZRKvUchfJJ23yHpePJFTtz3xnXlhS_e3gHt8wwkvOc52Ge1D2PtYwxj5is2KOqZLSUG8vXJQ$
>
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> List archives: https://lists.princeton.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A0=jerseybi
> NJ Bird Records Committee: www.njbrc.com
>

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Date: 4/30/26 6:27 pm
From: Pat OHoro <psub...>
Subject: Re: [JERSEYBI] Expert ears needed...
Hi Marc,

I just listened to Bell's Vireo, and I think you may have nailed it.
It sounds the same to me.
There are about 200 sightings of Bell's in NJ, so uncommon but not rare.

I'm not surprised by a frequency shift.
I was looking at a sonogram of some White-throated Sparrows I made and
was surprised by the center frequency point of the different birds.

Bradley's suggestion of RCKI was good especially considering the date
and location.
But the Bell's really matched to me.
The CAWA was another reasonable suggestion, but it turns out the CAWA
songbird is just too musical to be the recording.

If anyone else wants to compare the Bell's to the recording, I welcome
it.

Otherwise, I'll make Jeff play judge and jury on eBird.

Marc - I'll remember to ask for the story next time I see you :)

Cheers,

Pat


On 2026-04-30 17:45, CHELEMER, MARC J wrote:
> Pat,
>
> Have a listen to various recordings of Bell's Vireo. I happen to have
> been listening to a real Bell's Vireo just yesterday in Nevada and
> this sounds very much like one, just a bit higher pitched than normal.
> But that jumbled unpatterned chattering is SO similar.
>
> The behavior matches, too: deep in shrubs, never comes out. Remind
> me to tell you the story of my first Bell's Vireo, which was in 1972.
> It's the stuff of Chelemer family legend.
>
> Marc Chelemer
>
> From: JerseyBirds <JERSEYBI...> On Behalf Of Pat
> OHoro
> Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2026 11:21 AM
> To: <JERSEYBI...>
> Subject: [JERSEYBI] Expert ears needed...
>
> Hi All, I recorded a bird song that neither Merlin nor
> BirdNET-Analyzer recognized. I took off geographic restrictions and
> get a striped sparrow but I believe this to be incorrect. The sound is
> clear, it was from a bird/animal in shrubs which
>
> Hi All,
>
> I recorded a bird song that neither Merlin nor BirdNET-Analyzer
>
> recognized.
>
> I took off geographic restrictions and get a striped sparrow but I
>
> believe this to be incorrect.
>
> The sound is clear, it was from a bird/animal in shrubs which never
>
> showed itself and went silent when something spooked all of the birds
> in
>
> the area.
>
> I pretty sure it is not another type of animal based upon the
> frequency
>
> and cadence.
>
> Here is a link:
>
> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/356850726__;!!BhdT!mcZRKvUchfJJ23yHpePJFTtz3xnXlhS_e3gHt8wwkvOc52Ge1D2PtYwxj5is2KOqZLRTDrNwOg$
> [1]
>
> The bird can be heard starting at 2 and 15 seconds.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Pat
>
> List Guidelines:
> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://lists.princeton.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind2107&L=JERSEYBI&P=R685&X=OE8E22FEF3A2B10DFE5__;!!BhdT!mcZRKvUchfJJ23yHpePJFTtz3xnXlhS_e3gHt8wwkvOc52Ge1D2PtYwxj5is2KOqZLRqrfDJng$
> [2]
>
> List help: <jerseybi-request...>
>
> List archives:
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> [3]
>
> NJ Bird Records Committee:
> https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.njbrc.com__;!!BhdT!mcZRKvUchfJJ23yHpePJFTtz3xnXlhS_e3gHt8wwkvOc52Ge1D2PtYwxj5is2KOqZLSUG8vXJQ$
> [4]
>
>
> Links:
> ------
> [1]
> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.inaturalist.org/observations/356850726__;!!BhdT!mcZRKvUchfJJ23yHpePJFTtz3xnXlhS_e3gHt8wwkvOc52Ge1D2PtYwxj5is2KOqZLRTDrNwOg$
> [2]
> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/lists.princeton.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind2107&L=JERSEYBI&P=R685&X=OE8E22FEF3A2B10DFE5__;!!BhdT!mcZRKvUchfJJ23yHpePJFTtz3xnXlhS_e3gHt8wwkvOc52Ge1D2PtYwxj5is2KOqZLRqrfDJng$
> [3]
> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/lists.princeton.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A0=jerseybi__;!!BhdT!mcZRKvUchfJJ23yHpePJFTtz3xnXlhS_e3gHt8wwkvOc52Ge1D2PtYwxj5is2KOqZLRib_NFCA$
> [4]
> https://urldefense.com/v3/__http:/www.njbrc.com__;!!BhdT!mcZRKvUchfJJ23yHpePJFTtz3xnXlhS_e3gHt8wwkvOc52Ge1D2PtYwxj5is2KOqZLSUG8vXJQ$

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Date: 4/30/26 10:03 am
From: Laurie Larson <0000057b603ab9b2-dmarc-request...>
Subject: Re: [JERSEYBI] Expert ears needed...
hi Pat,
Where and when (date, time) was the recording made? Habitat? What other birds were around?
The iNat page doesn’t give any information about it.
Thanks.

Laurie


> On Apr 30, 2026, at 11:20 AM, Pat OHoro <psub...> wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> I recorded a bird song that neither Merlin nor BirdNET-Analyzer recognized.
> I took off geographic restrictions and get a striped sparrow but I believe this to be incorrect.
>
> The sound is clear, it was from a bird/animal in shrubs which never showed itself and went silent when something spooked all of the birds in the area.
> I pretty sure it is not another type of animal based upon the frequency and cadence.
>
> Here is a link:
> https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/356850726
>
> The bird can be heard starting at 2 and 15 seconds.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Pat
>
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Date: 4/30/26 8:22 am
From: Pat OHoro <psub...>
Subject: [JERSEYBI] Expert ears needed...
Hi All,

I recorded a bird song that neither Merlin nor BirdNET-Analyzer
recognized.
I took off geographic restrictions and get a striped sparrow but I
believe this to be incorrect.

The sound is clear, it was from a bird/animal in shrubs which never
showed itself and went silent when something spooked all of the birds in
the area.
I pretty sure it is not another type of animal based upon the frequency
and cadence.

Here is a link:
https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/356850726

The bird can be heard starting at 2 and 15 seconds.

Cheers,

Pat

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Date: 4/21/26 4:15 pm
From: Susie R. <njt456...>
Subject: [JERSEYBI] First hummer
of the season at 7:05 p.m. here in northern Hunterdon, Califon.

Susie Richart

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Date: 4/7/26 6:21 am
From: Evan Cutler <evancutler...>
Subject: [JERSEYBI] Montclair Bird Club monthly program: "The eBird Review Process - A Peek Behind the Curtain"
Ever wondered what happens AFTER you hit "submit" on an eBird report? This
Wednesday at 7:30 pm, eBird reviewer Patrick Belardo will join us for a
behind-the-scenes look at the eBird Review process. He'll also be answering
your questions--and I have a feeling there will be plenty! For a Zoom
invite, send an email to: <MontclairBirdClub1920...> This program is
free and open to all. For more info about the Montclair Bird Club, visit us
at www.montclairbirdclub.org. Hope to see you there!

Evan Cutler
President, Montclair Bird Club
Montclair, NJ

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