Date: 9/5/24 9:40 am From: Pierre Deviche <Pierre.Deviche...> Subject: Re: [AZNMbirds] Curlew Sandpiper--article on first AZ report
Hey, Rich:
I am afraid you misunderstood my reply. As others already stated, the idea is not to abandon/discontinue (as far as I know)/etc. the AZ Listserv. No one is asked to no longer use it if they like to do so - it's an entirely personal choice.
All I was saying is that Discord is an option that is favored by many birders and presents many obvious and compelling advantages compared to the listserv. But if someone feels like they won't gain anything from using Discord (or any comparable platform or, for this matter and while we are at it, also Ebird), this is absolutely fine too!
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From: Henry Detwiler <swbirders...>
Sent: Thursday, September 5, 2024 09:09
To: Catherine Davis <catherineann...>
Cc: Laurie Nessel <laurienessel...>; Mark Stevenson <drbrdr99...>; Richard Ditch <richardditch...>; AZ List <aznmbirds...>; Pierre Deviche <deviche...>; Jacob Bagley <jacobboutdoors...>; <byardm...> <byardm...>; Elizabeth Farquhar <liz.farquhar51...>
Subject: Re: [AZNMbirds] Curlew Sandpiper--article on first AZ report
Hi Catherine,
I don't see it as necessarily a change, since the LISTSERV isn't going away.
It is, however, another avenue by which to get information on rare bird sightings, and enter discussions on bird-related topics (from photography to bird books to optics).
Personally, I would advocate using all these services, if you feel comfortable doing so.
Good birding!
Henry
Yuma, AZ
On Thu, Sep 5, 2024 at 9:08 AM Catherine Davis <catherineann...><mailto:<catherineann...>> wrote:
Can you explain why we're changing? I don't get it
Sent from my iPhone
So, you can click on the expired link. Ignore "Invite Invalid" and click on "Continue to Discord" right below it.
On the top left column click on "Find or start a conversation". A dialogue box pops up.
Enter "Arizona Rare Birds and Discussion"
On Thu, Sep 5, 2024 at 8:44 AM Mark Stevenson <drbrdr99...><mailto:<drbrdr99...>> wrote:
The post immediately below yours in you reply includes an invitation to click on
On Thu, Sep 5, 2024, 8:43 AM Laurie Nessel <laurienessel...><mailto:<laurienessel...>> wrote:
Jacob - do you know how to invite people to Discord? It appears to be by invitation only. NOT USER FRIENDLY! How do people migrate from the listserv to Discord?
On Wed, Sep 4, 2024 at 8:32 PM Byard Miller <byardm...><mailto:<byardm...>> wrote:
Amen Mr Ditch!
Why abandon a system that has been so productive for years.
I know nothing about Discord but assume it is yet another social media app that will find a way to mine my personal info. I abandoned FB many years ago. No TikTok for me. If the list serve gets abandoned it will be a loss for the birding community.
Thanks for replying. But you seem to be missing an important point here - who ever told those of us that this decision had been made? How are those of us who have been using the AZ List for almost 30 years supposed to know that a bunch of Alpha Birders have decided to not bother sharing information with those who have long contributed to the AZ birding community? Who decided this was the way it would be in the future? When and where was this discussed? What alternatives were considered? Who has decided what birders now comprise the state birding community?
I doubt if I am the only geezer birder in AZ who has a good history of contributing to our state birding community. But I guess that my declining mobility has now forced me out of that community.
Richard Ditch. AZ Geezer former birder
Phoenix, AZ
For the record - not that it matters much either way - after discovering the Gila Bend Curlew Sandpiper last July, I posted on Discord and NOT on the AZ List. The AZ Discord channel now has ~1,000 members and seems to be the preferred mode of communication and rapid information exchange within the state birding community - for good reasons, as Jacob explains in his message.
Or, Richard, we could use the Arizona Rare Birds and Discussion Discord that was recently created by young birders. It now has 1000 members, and has proven to be a fast and effective means of spreading the word of all manner of bird sightings. Additionally, the discussion aspect of it allows the community to connect on a wide manner of topics from conservation to bird id help to avian science.
This “telephone tree” system that you reference, as well as this listserv, are simply more dated means of communication. If you’re looking for the best way to hear about rare birds, I highly recommend joining the Discord. Birding is changing just like everything else in the world, and it’s much better to grow and adapt with it than be left behind. Hope to see you on the Discord!
Respectfully,
Jacob Bagley, AZ Young Birder
On Wed, Sep 4, 2024 at 17:30 Elizabeth Farquhar <liz.farquhar51...><mailto:<liz.farquhar51...>> wrote:
Hear hear! I'm for using this list service.
On Wed, Sep 4, 2024, 2:48 PM Richard Ditch <richardditch...><mailto:<richardditch...>> wrote:
I’d like to thank Pierre Deviche for the timely posting of information about the Curlew Sandpiper he discovered in Gila Bend on July 20, 2024. It is always so nice to see such reports of rarities here on the AZ List so that all AZ birders know about them without the need to check ebird, facebook, and even Discord. With so much Balkanization in the information world it can be difficult for the birding community to find such information in a timely manner. Perhaps we could create a Telephone Tree Network where a report is provided to a person at the top of Tree who then calls selected birders on the next level down, then each of those notified people can call other on the next lower level. Or, instead of this ’50’s era system we could just use the Listserv that we’ve had in AZ since the ’90’s.
