Date: 7/26/22 5:42 am
From: Kirk Suedmeyer <KirkSuedmeyer...>
Subject: Re: Not a bird question - Turtles
So…………

The Eastern box turtle (Terrapene carolina carolina) ranges east of the Mississippi river. There are some in Missouri, from people bringing them from Illinois but also historical changes in the flow of the Mississippi-those are seen in some counties of Eastern Missouri bordering the Mississippi.
The three-toed box turtle (Terrapene carolina triunguis) and the ornate box turtle (Terrpene ornata) occur nearly statewide (the ornate isn’t seen in the bootheel generally). The Eastern and three toed look very similar, but the three-toed usually has a ridge down the carapace (the top shell) whereas the ornate does not and the Eastern “doesn’t”

Since you are in Jefferson city Steve, and from your general description it would be the ornate box turtle…..now when everyone looks at the wild box turtles, there may be three, or four toes on the rear feet of the three-toed boxy😊 Very cool-and maybe a life-lister eh?.......... 😊 😊

Kirk (Kansas City)



From: Missouri Wild Bird Forum <MOBIRDS-L...> On Behalf Of Shelly Colatskie
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2022 2:25 PM
To: <MOBIRDS-L...>
Subject: Re: Not a bird question - Turtles

Hi Steve,

Copying everyone in case others try to respond.

It is probably the common three-toed box turtle. They’re found across the state. The ornate box turtle is the only other box turtle species found in Missouri.

Thank you,

Shelly Colatskie



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From: Missouri Wild Bird Forum <MOBIRDS-L...><mailto:<MOBIRDS-L...>> on behalf of Steve Griffaw <sgg.bluesfan...><mailto:<sgg.bluesfan...>>
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2022 1:48 PM
To: <MOBIRDS-L...><mailto:<MOBIRDS-L...> <MOBIRDS-L...><mailto:<MOBIRDS-L...>>
Subject: Not a bird question - Turtles

Saw below my feeder here in Jefferson City a box turtle with bright orange markings. Have never seen one like that before. Looked it up and it appears to be an Eastern Box Turtle. Looked up it's range and it showed up to the Mississippi River but not further west on two different maps. Also a Washington University list of Missouri turtles did not have it on it. So did I get a mega rarity in the turtle world or just not documented?

Alse have had 4-6 regular squirrels where one just now has a wound on the back like I have never seen. I suppose a hawk got a grip on it.

On the bird front all of the regulars...

I know this was not a bird question but it is still nature, Missouri, and a slow time in the birding world so thought I would sneek it in...

Thanks,
Steve Griffaw
<sgg.Bluesfan...><mailto:<sgg.Bluesfan...>
Jefferson City Mo
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