Date: 2/22/21 6:50 am
From: Nate Dias (via carolinabirds Mailing List) <carolinabirds...>
Subject: Re: Whats the story with reporting Egyptian Goose?
By the same yardstick, Mute Swan would not count unless there has been a
self-sustaining/expanding population in NC for 10+ years.

Nathan Dias - Charleston, SC


"These days I prefer to hunt with a camera. A good photograph demands more
skill from the hunter, better nerves and more patience than the rifle
shot." -- Bror Blixen

On Mon, Feb 22, 2021 at 9:13 AM Harry LeGrand <carolinabirds...>

> To add a few things to what Dwayne said -- as I wanted to hear from one of
> the NC eBird review staff first (and he review western NC reports) --
> Egyptian Goose is NOT on the NC state bird list, in any category:
> Birds of North Carolina (
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> Thus, the species cannot be counted on a Big Year list -- sorry, Steve,
> but that knocks your 2020 Big Year back from 359 to 358 -- still way ahead
> of any other such list.
> Now, looking at the bottom of that list, Definitive, Point 5:
> 1. A species or recognized subspecies from a non-native, feral or
> exotic population that is self-sustaining or expanding for a period of 10
> or more years.
> It can be argued that the NC Bird Records Committee can, if it chooses to
> do so, vote on a species like Egyptian Goose, *if it has a
> self-sustaining population at Lake Julian for a period of 10 or more years*
> -- and add it to the state list if it receives enough votes to add.
> However, that population is not expanding, and that may be a reason also
> that it has not been brought up for a vote for the NC list. Yes, this
> goose species can be easily seen at that lake, and has been for a good
> handful of years. But, the same can certainly be said for some local
> populations of Muscovy Ducks, Greylag Geese, and a few other waterfowl --
> including some inland populations of Mute Swans that stay at one lake.
> I am a non-voting member of the NC BRC, but have been in the past and was
> a Chair in the past. I don't know how others would vote on Egyptian Goose
> or a similar feral waterfowl species to add to the state list, but I do
> know how I would vote, and that is "no". We could add all kinds of
> additional species that way to the list. I personally would want to see a
> population expand to other lakes before I cast a yes vote.
> Several more points -- Egyptian Goose IS on the ABA Checklist; I just
> checked the website and list. However, that would apply ONLY to whichever
> part of whichever state it is considered countable -- probably locally in
> parts of FL or CA. But, that does not mean it is countable anywhere in the
> US and Canada where seen. Sadly, the checklist doesn't say WHERE in the
> region it is countable, though maybe a detailed list somewhere has this
> important information.
> Lastly, addressing the eBird search map, to which Guy refers -- yes, I see
> the purple rectangles for Egyptian Goose for several places in eastern TN
> and northern GA, and not for NC. So, I support the NC decision to not
> accept the species, as it is not on the NC state list; maybe the species IS
> listed on the TN and GA state lists -- I don't know. But -- it would be
> nice to somehow make sure those many checklists with Egyptian Goose on them
> from Lake Julian, still be available over time -- in case such potentially
> valuable data are not completely erased.
> Harry LeGrand
> Raleigh
> On Mon, Feb 22, 2021 at 6:35 AM Dwayne Martin <carolinabirds...>
> wrote:
>> eBird has a set of guidelines for reviewers about where exotics should
>> and should not be validated. At this time, Egyptian Goose is on the no
>> validate list for NC. eBird will be coming out will a new way of dealing
>> with exotics on lists soon hopefully.
>> On Mon, Feb 22, 2021 at 6:27 AM Mary Erickson <carolinabirds...>
>> wrote:
>>> I often see them in my daily NC needs alert. Buncombe Co, Lake Julian.
>>> Mary, Hillsborough
>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
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>>> On Sunday, February 21, 2021, 8:38 PM, <badgerboy...> wrote:
>>> Just curious, I have NOT seen one in NC or SC, but I noticed that ebird
>>> reports of them in NC don't seem to show up on ebird output, but they do
>>> show up in ebird public output just west of here in Tennessee, and in
>>> Georgia. Is this a decision, random chance, or is there some difference
>>> between the sightings that I don't know about.
>>> {{{BTW, I DID a quick web search and found the ABA article from 2014 so
>>> please don't recommend that--it did not seem to help.}}}
>>> Thanks, Guy McGrane, Boone NC
>>> --
>> Dwayne
>> *************
>> Dwayne Martin
>> Hickory, NC
>> <redxbill...>

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