Date: 2/22/21 6:47 am
From: Teresa Hertzel <teresa.hertzel...>
Subject: [obol] Re: Clarification on OBA statement
STOP. No more discussion.


On Mon, Feb 22, 2021 at 8:44 AM Jeff Gilligan <jeffgilligan10...>
wrote:

> Sarah
>
> I only read a few words of your email, before knowing that you are
> irrational, and incorrect. Note that only a day or two ago I was
> criticized for referring to the murderer who ran over a retired
> nature-loving woman near my house in Portland a psycho:
> https://www.oregonlive.com/crime/2021/01/family-remembers-77-year-old-woman-killed-in-se-portland-hit-and-run-rampage-as-cancer-survivor-nature-lover.html.
> I hope he gets executed if the allegations are proven. According to many
> witnesses, there is little doubt about what happened.
>
> I really must go now to meet a woman birder friend in Tubac, AZ, to go
> birding, but refrain from sending me any direct emails, since I will
> consider them harassment, and report you to the police.
>
> That rapes occur is not proof that one occurred in this instance. Let the
> justice system perform its duties.
>
> Jeff Gilligan
>
>
>
>
>
> On Feb 21, 2021, at 11:22 PM, Sarah Merkle <smerkle8765...> wrote:
>
> Jeff,
>
> This is my first time posting on OBOL and it is regretful that this is the
> topic.
>
> The comments you made were extremely triggering to read; they contained
> lightly veiled (at best) sentiments of misogyny, ableism, and victim
> blaming. You chose to take time to respond to an ongoing conversations by
> contributing nothing but your blatant privilege and lack of understanding
> of the experience of women, femme folx, and survivors. For your two
> “stories of false allegations,” I can tell you thousands of true accounts
> of survivors that I have heard within my community and through my work as a
> victims’ rights advocate. This is a red herring to distract from the
> conversation at hand; the safety of non-cis-men in the birding community.
> If you want to have this conversation, I suggest you educate yourself about
> the statistics involving rape and sexual assault in this country. Here is
> a good resource <https://www.rainn.org/about-sexual-assault>. 1 in every
> 6 women is sexually assaulted in their lifetime and this is just the
> individuals who choose to come forward about their experiences. Many, like
> me, never did. You mask your misogynistic and rape apologistic comments
> under the guise of holding to the principle of “inncont until proven
> guilty” and by examining the viability of bringing different types of legal
> action against Jason Ward. No one was asking for you to convict him of this
> crime, there was merely an expression of solidarity with Aisha White’s
> experience and a call to make birding a safer space for everyone; your
> knee-jerk reactions say much more about you and your priorities than they
> contributed to the conversation. And regarding your comment about letting
> “justice play out,” let me share this statistic from RAINN: “for every
> 1,000 rapes, 384 are reported to police, 57 result in an arrest, 11 are
> referred for prosecution, 7 result in a felony conviction, and 6 result in
> incarceration.” The number of convictions is even less when it comes to
> cases involving women of color. That you would see a post about
> cultivating safe space and respond with defensiveness, questioning, and
> personal attacks shows me, and others like me, that you are unsafe and/or
> uninterested in addressing the inherent power dynamics and problems present
> within birding and society, at large.
>
> As an individual living with mental health conditions and as a survivor,
> It took me years to be able to be comfortable being alone in nature. Despite
> this, I will keep birding and keep dreaming of a birding scene where we can
> have hard conversations about privilege and intersectionality as it
> pertains to the safety of our fellows birders, and where even queer, femme,
> “anarchist psychos” like me have space to bird safely.
>
> I stand with Aisha White and every survivor of any gender.
>
> -S
>
>
> On Sun, Feb 21, 2021 at 10:02 PM Jeff Gilligan <jeffgilligan10...>
> wrote:
>
>> Brodie
>>
>> I don’t know how you can read minds over a thousand miles away. That was
>> not what I wrote, or implied.
>>
>> You should apologize. It borders on libel.
>>
>> BTW: People here should not say that the accused did what he has been
>> accused of. If he is tried and found not guilty, I will search him out and
>> suggest he sue for defamation. We don’t know what happened.
>>
>> Let justice play out.
>>
>> Why don’t we drop the discussion here, especially since as far as I know
>> there has never been an event in Oregon birding anything like the event
>> alleged in Georgia?
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Feb 21, 2021, at 10:31 PM, Brodie Cass Talbott <
>> <brodiecasstalbott...> wrote:
>>
>> I wanted to add my voice, as a man, to say I condemn Jeff's statements.
>> The obvious intent of his statement was to tell women birders that if they
>> are victims of sexual or emotional abuse, and they speak up, then the men
>> in this community will question their motives, and cast aspersions on their
>> allegations, even if the perpetrators themselves have made no effort to
>> deny the claims.
>>
>> The men in this community need to do better.
>>
>> I stand with women birders, and I believe women.
>>
>> Brodie Cass Talbott
>> Portland
>>
>> On Sun, Feb 21, 2021 at 6:54 PM Jeff Gilligan <jeffgilligan10...>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi
>>>
>>> The alleged victim (I of course have no information about what is
>>> alleged other than what is on the internet) started a GoFundMe five days
>>> ago. From GoFundMe just now:
>>>
>>> Legal Fees for Aisha White
>>> $33,437 raised of $10,000 goal
>>>
>>>
>>> While her appeal for money to possibly hire a lawyer may be valid, as a
>>> matter of practicality, suing someone for damages is only viable if that
>>> person has significant assets. For all I know, he does, but he may not.
>>> We of course do not know if the event described occurred, but money sent to
>>> GoFundMe is money got, with no obligation to spend it in a particular way.
>>> If he has assets worth pursuing, the normal expectation would be that she
>>> would find a lawyer who would evaluate the case, and take the case on a
>>> contingent fee basis. Paying a lawyer an hourly rate to sue someone with
>>> limited resources is not viable, and it would cost a significant amount to
>>> sue someone with significant resources to defend. Good luck to her if the
>>> accusation is factual.
>>>
>>> We saw recently in video the recent case of a black male birder being
>>> accused of threatening a woman in Central Park where the accusation was
>>> entirely fabricated. I am not saying that happened in this case though.
>>>
>>> Everyone is innocent unless proven guilty.
>>>
>>> Of course everyone here is opposed to violence against women, or anyone
>>> else for that matter.
>>>
>>>
>>> Jeff Gilligan
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Feb 21, 2021, at 7:09 PM, Sarah Swanson <sarahlovesbirds...>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello again-
>>>
>>> Please allow me to provide some context about the OBA statement for
>>> those who are not active on birding social media. The OBA statement was
>>> prompted by recent allegations against prominent birders, including Jason
>>> Ward and Chris Collins. An Audubon article on Jason Ward can be found here,
>>> but be warned that it includes a description of an alleged rape:
>>> https://www.audubon.org/news/an-allegation-sexual-assault-sends-shock-waves-through-birding-world
>>> Though none of the birders involved in the recent allegations are based
>>> in Oregon, these kinds of behavior and the fear of them are relevant to
>>> women in our birding community.
>>>
>>> This clarification is my own and is not from the board.
>>>
>>> Thank you and good birding,
>>>
>>> Sarah
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>

 
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