Date: 2/10/21 9:35 am
From: Siobhan Ruck <ms.siobhan.ruck...>
Subject: Re: [SFBirds] 4 snowy plovers + dogs
During a previous debate over dogs in the parks, I wrote a Letter to the Editor (which the Chronicle published) saying simply: Wild animals are not dog toys.

That’s the message we need to convey.

Siobhan Ruck

> On Feb 10, 2021, at 8:52 AM, <greylag64...> wrote:
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> I agree with Chrisand Lorelei. I have a friend who complained on her blog about the birds on Ocean Beach not allowing her dogs to have any fun for 9 months of the year. She thought the birds should just go elsewhere.
> After I explained things to her, she said "I didn't know".
> So the answer is education, one on one. We have to be willing to engage. It is hard to do when the reaction is negative.
> I haven't been to Crissy Field in a while. Are there signs? Many places use signs painted by children. Is the fencing just that symbolic cable?
> Maybe we need to give Jackie Speier a hands-on.
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> Laurie Graham
> South San Francisco
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> On Tue, Feb 9, 2021, 18:57 Chrisand Lorelei <chrisandlorelei...> <mailto:<chrisandlorelei...>> wrote:
> I've had bad experiences with dog people, and think the most successful attempts have been to say that THESE birds are migrating birds, and if they get chased, they'll starve. Dog people don't mean to be cruel: they just know it's natural for dogs to chase birds. And they don't know more, and don't like to get scolded and threatened with not being able to take their dogs out for necessary excercise. Some, when they hear about birds trying to migrate and survive, do get a clue, and understand that letting their dogs run should not include letting them chase birds. Rules only work when people understand that the rules make sense. Best wishes for explaining, maybe one person at a time.
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> From: <SFBirds...> <mailto:<SFBirds...> <SFBirds...> <mailto:<SFBirds...>> on behalf of Pat Greene <pjgreene...> <mailto:<pjgreene...>>
> Sent: Saturday, February 6, 2021 12:59 PM
> To: SF Birds <SFBirds...> <mailto:<SFBirds...>>
> Cc: Joel Perlstein <joelperl...> <mailto:<joelperl...>>; Dominik Mosur <polskatata...> <mailto:<polskatata...>>; Dario Taraborelli <dario.taraborelli...> <mailto:<dario.taraborelli...>>; <margstan...> <mailto:<margstan...> <margstan...> <mailto:<margstan...>>
> Subject: Re: [SFBirds] 4 snowy plovers
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> The dog lobby is so well organized and well funded (including Jackie Speier who was able to threaten GGNRA funding) that they are able to drive the ‘rules’, —and then break whatever very weak rules exist.
> Pat Greene
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> > On Feb 6, 2021, at 9:11 AM, Dominik Mosur via groups.io <http://groups.io/> <polskatata...> <mailto:<yahoo.com...>> wrote:
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> > SFBirders have been wondering the same for a couple of decades now.
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> >> On Feb 6, 2021, at 08:57, Dario Taraborelli <dario.taraborelli...> <mailto:<dario.taraborelli...>> wrote:
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> >> I’d love to know too. Every time I walk through the protected area on a sunny day I see 4-5 unleashed dogs on average. I politely tell their owners, and most reluctantly comply, but that lasts 15 minutes max.
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> >>> On Feb 5, 2021, at 21:55, Joel Perlstein <joelperl...> <mailto:<joelperl...>> wrote:
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> >>> Thanks for the info. I went on Thursday and saw two snowy plovers and many unleashed dogs.
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> >>> I asked one of the dog owners to leash their dog, but they did not do so.
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> >>> Is there anything we can do to get the National Park Service to enforce its dog rules in the snowy plover protection areas, or to get them to just prohibit dogs in those areas?
> >>> --
> >>> Joel Perlstein
> >>> San Francisco
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