Date: 12/30/20 1:55 pm
From: Jeff Day <dayjef71...>
Subject: Re: [birders] Orion Magazine | 9 Rules for the Woke Birdwatcher
That, sir, is THE best response to date. I’ll leave it there…

On Wed, Dec 30, 2020 at 4:48 PM 'THOMAS HODGSON' via Birders <
<birders...> wrote:

> Well said Bill!
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 30, 2020, at 4:24 PM, 'Bill Sonnett' via Birders <
> <birders...> wrote:
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> 
>
> This group was designed to bring folks with like interest (in this case
> bird watching) together. Strongly expressed opinions on almost any other
> subject (cats, guns, eating meat, abortion, religion, politics, etc. etc.)
> in the end will divide us. That is why there are other groups that
> specialize in these types of debates. I am 77 and have been watching birds
> all my life and have many friends who enjoy the hobby with me. Almost all
> disagree with each other on some subject, but we get together to celebrate
> our like interest. Most have the maturity to leave their differences aside
> and treat everyone with respect and enjoy what we have in common. With that
> being said, my vote is to stick with birds.
>
> William Sonnett, Jackson, Michigan
>
>
> On Wednesday, December 30, 2020, 03:12:39 PM EST, <ibblazin...> <
> <ibblazin...> wrote:
>
>
> Thank you, Josh, for being the voice of reason. I agree that if one
> opinion needs to be honored, all should be. I agree with Patrick. I also
> agree with other posters who say all birders or, more appropriately, all
> people deserve courtesy and respect and that discussions about race are
> important. I just don’t think this board is the place to have them or that
> it should be used to promote one’s social agenda. As for “if you don’t like
> the post, don’t read it”, that’s nearly impossible. I don’t know what the
> post is about until I read it and, once read, it can’t be un-read if it’s
> objectionable to me. I subscribe to Birders to learn about/find news about
> birds. There are plenty of other forums for posting links and having
> discussions about social issues. Can we please stick to birds and the
> occasional butterfly?
>
> Anita
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Joshua Haas <joshuahaas...>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 30, 2020 2:55 PM
> *To:* Lisa Lava-Kellar <lisalk...>
> *Cc:* Marta Manildi <mamanildi...>; Jchordash <jchordash...>;
> Allen Chartier <amazilia3...>; birders <birders...>
> *Subject:* Re: [birders] Orion Magazine | 9 Rules for the Woke Birdwatcher
>
>
>
> Those speaking positively about the article are sharing their opinion no
> differently than the “PB” who posted their opinion. Just because you may
> not agree with the person doesn’t mean they can’t have an opinion. They
> wondered if this was the right place for the article. The list owner
> decided it was. Seems done to me.
>
>
>
> *-Josh Haas*
>
> 269-420-9918
>
> <josh...>
>
> https://www.hawksonthewing.com
>
> https://www.facebook.com/hawksonthewing
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>
>
> On Dec 30, 2020, at 14:15, Lisa Lava-Kellar <lisalk...> wrote:
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> 
>
> I completely agree with those of you who have spoken up about the odd and
> recent message from PB.
>
>
>
> Thanks to each of you for sharing your thoughts. I wholeheartedly support
> each of your sentiments.
>
> Lisa
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 30, 2020 at 9:47 AM 'Marta Manildi' via Birders <
> <birders...> wrote:
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> I loved the post and appreciated it. The introduction to Orion Magazine
> was an added bonus.
>
> Marta
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> On Dec 30, 2020, at 12:05 AM, Jchordash <jchordash...> wrote:
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> Allen,
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>
>
> Thank for expressing my sentiments. You said it better than I could.
>
>
>
> JC
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
> On Dec 29, 2020, at 9:34 PM, Allen Chartier <amazilia3...> wrote:
>
> 
>
> I have been on this list for perhaps 2 decades. From the beginning, it has
> never been appropriate to complain to the entire list about what may or may
> not be within the (rather broad) guidelines of the list. Those inquiries
> are always to be addressed only to the listowner.
>
>
>
> The posting in question merely provided a link that can be visited, or
> not, without providing any commentary on the content. Responses to this
> post, including mine, expressed approval and interest in the content, but
> did not share any details of that content. So, what could possibly be
> objectionable about that?
>
>
>
> The content at the link discusses, among other things, how we should
> understand our fellow birders, appreciate the feelings and experiences of
> our fellow birders, understand how history has affected our fellow birders,
> explore ways to improve relationships with our fellow birders, and how we
> should respect our fellow birders. Anyone can disagree with these points of
> course, but specific arguments should be made on the content, not by
> attempts to shut these important conversations down.
>
>
>
> Allen T. Chartier
>
> Inkster, Michigan
>
> Email: <amazilia3...>
>
> Photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/mihummingbirdguy/collections/
>
> Website/Blog: http://mihummingbirdguy.blogspot.com/
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 29, 2020 at 5:30 PM Patrick Baize <pkbaize...>
> wrote:
>
>
> does this really belong on birder's it looks and sounds like someone's
> personal, social and political viewpoint. Certainly not views that I share.
> Pat B. Howell, Michigan
>
> On Tuesday, December 29, 2020, 12:31:43 PM EST, <juliet.berger...>
> wrote:
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>
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> Posted to Washtenaw Audubon’s Facebook page, along with other thought
> provoking articles that April has shared in the last few months. Thanks,
> April.
> Juliet Berger
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Dec 29, 2020, at 4:53 AM, April Campbell <adc14...> wrote:
> >
> > Drew keeps on. God bless him.
> >
> > https://orionmagazine.org/article/9-rules-for-the-woke-birdwatcher/
> >
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
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