Date: 7/28/20 4:54 am
From: Wayne Hoffman <whoffman...>
Subject: [obol] Re: Jay or hawk?
Hi -

Speaking of Jayhawks -

I spent 18 months in the mid-1980s working at the University of Kansas, and was shown a paper that described the history of the name "Jayhawk." Roy Lowe is correct about seeing them along the Oregon Coast, (and other coasts) because the description of a Jayhawk was clearly a description of a jaeger. I am not sure how jaegers got connected to Kansas statehood, but jaegers are rare but annual migrants through the Great Plains, including Kansas. In my 18 months there I was able to see 1 Parasitic Jaeger, one jaeger sp., and 2 Sabine's Gulls, which have a similar pattern of mid-continent occurrences.


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To: "Wayne Weber" <contopus...>, "Roy Lowe" <roy.loweiii...>
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Subject: [obol] Re: Jay or hawk?

I don't think that's what I heard...but, I have been wrong before....

On Monday, July 27, 2020, 7:13:31 PM PDT, Roy Lowe <roy.loweiii...> wrote:


Actually, if you spend some time along the US coastline you’ll see jayhawks flying back and forth in some locations. That is, Sikorsky HH—60 Jayhawks! (see attached)


On Jul 27, 2020, at 4:28 PM, Wayne Weber < [ mailto:<contopus...> | <contopus...> ] > wrote:

Oregon birders,
Perhaps it was a Jayhawk? Oh shoot, it couldn’t be-- those are only found in Kansas!!
Wayne Weber
Delta, BC
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Subject: [obol] Jay or hawk?
I too lean strongly toward Hawk. It sounds unusually short for a Red-tail. The trailing, slightly descending end of the call is abbreviated. But l have sort of given up trying. Where l live the Steller's Jay's were imitating Goshawks for a few years. One sparkling April morning l had just returned from a walk when l heard a Goshawk call. "There's a Steller's Jay again,"l thought. Immediately after that an adult male Goshawk flew out of a small Douglas-fir . It was only 5m above my head. About the most unequivocal look I've ever had.
Canada Jays imitate a variety of Pygmy Owl calls. They are about equally common here where l live. I presume that when tooting goes on for minutes on end it's not a jay. But in many cases l would deem it a fool's errand to try to tell the difference. At this time of year there's the added factor of young birds still acquiring a voice so to speak.
The last time l was at Luckiamute State Natural area we repeatedly heard a half familiar call. It had the cadence of a Bald Eagle. But it wasn't the typical high-pitched nails on the blackboard squeal. Lower pitched, slightly liquid. Someone suggested a begging juvenile BAEA and it made sense. Two juvies were in evidence several times that morning, though the calls in question always came from a bird out of sight.
I thought it incongruous that a young bird would be lower pitched than an adult.
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