Date: 7/17/20 7:38 pm
From: Michelle Nelson <mmnelson57...>
Subject: Re: [southbaybirds] Northern Red Bishop

Michelle Nelson

On Fri, Jul 17, 2020, 4:03 PM Chuq Von Rospach via <chuqui=
<> wrote:

> Yes, we now have abuse problems with this bird. Not, I hope, anyone on
> this list (and if you're someone skimming these archives to find birds like
> this and then showing up and abusing them to get your shot, well, shame on
> you). The report I had from this morning had a couple of groups including
> one group of four working together ("shoulder to shoulder") with the bird
> being chased off repeatedly. An attempt to engage them in discussion was
> ignored.
> I was asked what someone should do if you do attempt to engage people like
> this to no avail. Once they prove themselves as not naive, but not giving a
> damn, your options are really limited. Escalating your attempt to intervene
> is both unlikely to improve the situation and might put you at risk of a
> response, so I strongly discourage it. If politeness doesn't work, don't
> put yourself into a situation where they might respond abusively to you,
> too (and if it does escalate into an argument or fight, that's arguably
> worse for the birds there, too).
> So unless you know where to find a ranger and they can come and use their
> position to intervene, my suggestion this morning was to back off and not
> make things worse. I have in some situations taken identifying photos
> (faces and actions and where possible license plates) to forward to the
> rangers later. That said, chances of any action that might encourage them
> to behave later is unlikely these days.
> It sucks, but once they decide it's okay to abuse the birds to get their
> shot (or their tick mark -- birders aren't immune from this behavior,
> either), there are few options that are likely to be constructive.
> chuq
> On Jul 17, 2020, at 3:16 PM, Bob Reiling <rreiling2...> wrote:
> I got there this morning (7/17) at about 7:15, there were many
> photographers (big cameras/no binos) all over the usual sites and the
> bird was not seen.
> ---------------------------------------
> Chuq Von Rospach
> Email: <chuqui...> <chuqui...>
> Twitter: @chuq
> Silicon Valley, California

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