Date: 6/29/20 1:08 pm
From: Mary Wise <auntyem...>
Subject: Re: [birders] Bird Behavior “Retirement”
Yes, it is correct. I am totally fine with the recent discussion re: house
sparrows.

Thanks for checking!
Mary

On Sat, Jun 27, 2020 at 10:27 PM <juliet.berger...> wrote:

> Hello Birders
> It is my understanding that Bruce Bowman has retired from the moderator
> job of Birders Listserv and that Washtenaw birder and admin for the
> Southeast Michigan birders list, Mary Wise, has taken over as our admin.
> Mary, can you confirm that and let us know your guidelines for
> conversations on Birders?
> Thanks
> Juliet Berger
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 27, 2020, at 8:51 PM, <fkaluza...> wrote:
>
> 
>
> Right on Juliet! I support and commend you for putting
> this out there and I have never understood the moderator’s objection to
> those stating scientific facts. In my mind there are three kinds of
> “birders”.
>
>
>
> 1 The conservationist types who enjoy birdwatching as
> well as who pursue habitat improvements to bolster native species.
>
> 2 The hard-core “listers” who are simply out to
> “observe and catalog them all before they are all gone” but could care less
> about doing anything in the way of improving things.
>
> 3 The hunters who simply want to kill and eat (or
> just kill and leave behind or throw away) anything they feel like killing.
>
>
>
> As far as I’m concerned, you can lump types 2 and 3 together. Doing
> nothing to improve things results in the same outcome as actively
> diminishing bird numbers. I agree that any and all nest boxes and/or nest
> box instructions/designs/plans need to coming with statements about
> responsibility and ethics. With natural cavities disappearing, the future
> of our cavity nesters is depending more and more on human involvement.
>
>
>
> At one point, the hard-core listers here objected to talk about
> conservation issues and went off to form their own “bird-listers” email
> list but…I think conversations about ethics, animal behavior and migration
> studies got their curiosity up and they stayed on this list as well as
> their new one. Since the split…the official moderator “Bruce Bowman” has
> been practically invisible here so…there is a chance we may avoid official
> sanction from moderators going forward. Hooray for science and common
> sense.
>
>
>
> Thanks for caring! 😊
>
>
>
> *From:* Juliet Berger <juliet.berger...>
> *Sent:* Saturday, June 27, 2020 3:17 PM
> *To:* Fred Kaluza <fkaluza...>; <birders...>
> *Subject:* Re: [birders] Bird Behavior “Retirement”
>
>
>
> There is no reason whatsoever why we cannot discuss how to remove house
> sparrows from nest sites and your yard. They are an invasive species and
> kill native birds at an alarming rate.
>
> They are a major threat to all cavity nesting native species. There are
> repeating sparrow traps, and nest box trap that can be purchased or made,
> and used to trap the sparrows. Then you must euthanize the adult sparrows.
> Repeating traps are best utilized in winter when chipmunks are hibernating,
> since chipmunks will often get to the bait, millet, before the sparrows
> find it. Any and all House Sparrow nests should be removed from
> bird houses. They cannot in any circumstances be allowed to breed in
> housing we provide. It is unethical to do so. If they find their own nest
> hole, that cannot be prevented in all cases, but if I put up a bird house,
> I must be 100% sure that I am not providing House Sparrow nest habitat.
> Monitor daily, if necessary, and take out messy nests that fill the whole
> box, which is a House Sparrow nest. Here is a discussion of the
> different nest types/bird species you may find in a nest box.
> https://michiganbluebirds.org/resources/other-cavity-nesting-birds The
> Michigan Bluebird site is a great resource for how to deal with House
> Sparrows, as well.
>
> I have said many times, if I had a dollar for every dead tree swallow or
> bluebird I found killed in the nest box with a House Sparrow nest built on
> top of the corpse, I would be a wealthy person.
>
> Take out the House Sparrows, or take down your bird houses. Another
> option is to convert them to House Wren/Chickadee size holes. 1 1/4 inch
> holes are for these smaller species. House Sparrows, Eastern Bluebirds and
> Tree Swallows need at least 1 1/2 inch entry holes.
>
> All the best, stay well, stay safe and good birding,
>
> Juliet Berger
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jun 27, 2020 at 11:06 AM Fred Kaluza <fkaluza...> wrote:
>
> Does anyone know if birds “retire”? Or...will they keep right on trying
> to raise offspring every year until eventually failing and leaving a clutch
> of half-developed young in a failed nest? In the past, “my” Tree Swallows
> have managed to fend off every attack from House Sparrows for several years
> running. As of yesterday however, I watched HOSPs carrying nest material
> into the gourd where young Tree Swallows were days from fledging. The
> adult Tree Swallows went missing and the HOSPS had started burying the
> young birds with grass and what not. I approached the gourd and removed
> the HOSP nesting with the young Swallows still alive but cowering in a
> little pocket at the far rear. As of now I still see no adult Swallows
> around while the Male HOSP has returned and is trying to attract a female
> to the gourd again. The young Swallows are probably dead at this point but
> I’ll check again later today. This is the heartbreaking part of birding
> for me. My only request to others is to never erect housing or give
> housing to anyone who can’t or won’t agree to active management when
> non-native species are anywhere around. So sad.
>
>
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