Date: 6/29/20 8:45 am
From: JAMES SPEICHER <jugornought...>
Subject: Re: [MDBirding] Kicked out of Rock Creek Park Golf Course
I can see the liability issues...

Maybe birders can sign a waiver...

Jim S

On Mon, Jun 29, 2020, 10:59 AM Daniel Rauch <danrauch11...> wrote:

> Me either. I’m being discreet and getting clarification/policy.
>
> Dan
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 29, 2020, at 10:59 AM, Matt Winter <winter360...> wrote:
>
> 
> Thank you Daniel for following up. I also want to be clear that I don't
> want to get any worker in trouble. I have no idea what they were told to
> do. Just clearer communications would have been helpful.
>
> On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 10:57 AM Daniel Rauch <danrauch11...>
> wrote:
>
>> This may have been an employee for DC Golf, vendor operating the 3 DC
>> park courses, and not an NPS employee. I’ll have more information later.
>>
>> Dan
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jun 29, 2020, at 10:47 AM, Daniel Rauch <danrauch11...> wrote:
>>
>> Approximately what time were you there?
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jun 29, 2020, at 10:47 AM, David Gibson <20cabot...> wrote:
>>
>> 
>> Matt, Folks might frown on you being there. That's par for the course
>> (pun intended). But legally, unless you disobey course rules, you have the
>> right to bird there.
>> Dave Gibson
>> https://birdpartner.com/
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 10:38 AM Gail Mackiernan <katahdinss...>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> In any case, you have a perfect right to park in the lot, visit the pro
>>> shop, eat in the cafe if it were open...just as you can at Hain’s Point.
>>> Generally they do not like you out on the course while people are playing,
>>> however, due to liability issues - at least that is what we were told years
>>> ago at Hains.
>>>
>>> See what Dan finds out.
>>>
>>> Gail Mackiernan
>>> Colesville
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>> On Jun 29, 2020, at 10:35 AM, Daniel Rauch <danrauch11...> wrote:
>>>
>>> I completely agree. Let me get more information.
>>> D
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Jun 29, 2020, at 10:30 AM, David Gibson <20cabot...> wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>> That's a public course. You have every right to be there and to bird
>>> there, providing you don't use the course itself/interfere w/anyone golfing.
>>> Dave Gibson
>>> https://birdpartner.com/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 9:56 AM Matt Winter <winter360...> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I had a very unpleasant and weird experience at the Rock Creek Golf
>>>> Course this evening. Went to birdwatch as I’ve done throughout the spring
>>>> but the course has apparently reopened. I assumed because it is part of
>>>> Rock Creek Park if we stayed away from where people are golfing maybe no
>>>> one would particularly care that we were there. Well,
>>>>
>>>> As soon as we pulled into the otherwise empty parking lot there was a
>>>> man in a golf cart staring at us. Got out of the car and he was still
>>>> staring at us. He immediately told us to leave. Wouldn’t provide an
>>>> explanation. Glared at us as we pulled away. It was all very bizarre. I
>>>> asked why we had to leave considering it’s part of a park and all he said
>>>> was that he worked there and we had to leave. Not sure what the actual
>>>> rules are but it was not a helpful way to find them out. Apparently even
>>>> daring to enter the parking lot is trespassing.
>>>>
>>>> Wanted to share so people can avoid the same fate. Will avoid the place
>>>> while it’s open going forward.
>>>>
>>>> -Matt
>>>>
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