Date: 6/10/20 8:37 am
From: Jack Williamson <jack.williamson.jr...>
Subject: [obol] Re: Least Flycatcher Deschutes County -
Wayne,

I hope it goes without saying that for sensitive species, roosts, nests,
and everything on private property one should avoid publishing precise GPS
coordinates.

Thanks for clarifying,

Jack Williamson
West Linn, Oregon


On Wed, Jun 10, 2020 at 4:08 AM <whoffman...> wrote:

> Hi-
>
> This discussion is fine for birds occurring on public land, but OBOL had a
> discussion worth recalling about ebird coordinates, hotspots, etc. for the
> Yellow-throated Warbler a few years ago near Ankeny Refuge. That bird was
> inhabiting a yard where the owner was allowing access on a limited basis,
> and there were concerns that exact coordinates might inadvertently
> encourage trespassing. Anyway, might be worth revisiting that discussion.
>
> Wayne
>
> ------------------------------
> *From: *"Jack Williamson" <jack.williamson.jr...>
> *To: *"Tom Crabtree" <tc...>
> *Cc: *"davidcbaileyoregon" <davidcbaileyoregon...>, "Lars Per
> Norgren" <larspernorgren...>, <COBOL...>, "obol" <
> <obol...>
> *Sent: *Tuesday, June 9, 2020 10:15:47 PM
> *Subject: *[obol] Re: Least Flycatcher Deschutes County -
>
> OBOL et al.
>
> I think the preference for the use of Hotspots versus exact GPS
> coordinates depends on whether the consumer of the information is chasing a
> rarity or studying changes in its occurrence and distribution.
>
> If you prioritize supporting efforts to track changes in the range of a
> particular species, Hotspots support that effort best.
>
> If like me, you enjoy experiencing a species for the first time, then
> there is no substitute for accurate GPS coordinates of the most recent
> sighting.
>
> John Fitchen, the author of Birding Portland and Multnomah County, was
> the first to introduce me to the art (and value) of the ability to describe
> how to reach the location of an unusual bird when he stepped me through the
> track that would lead me to a Wrentit in Multnomah county in 2013.
>
> Tom Crabtree exhibits the same skill today, and if not for his
> step-by-step instructions to locate the Northern Waterthrush at Trout Creek
> Swamp in Deschutes county recently, I would never have found the right spot
> to anchor my search efforts. The HotSpot for the area, however, is 3/4 of a
> mile away.
>
> I am no John Fitchen or Tom Crabtree, so if I locate a rarity, what you
> will get from me is the precise GPS coordinates of my location at the time
> of the observation. Which I will happily later consolidate into the
> designated Hotspot for the area as I did at Tom's request for my sighting
> of the Northern Waterthrush near Trout Creek Swamp.
>
> If I had my druthers, the exact coordinates of rarities would first be
> reported for every observation then later relocated by each observer into
> the Hotspot of the eBird reviewer's choice.
>
> Jack Williamson
> West Linn, Oregon
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 9, 2020 at 3:44 PM Tom Crabtree <tc...> wrote:
>
>> Lars,
>>
>>
>>
>> I don’t have the dislike for Hotspots that you do. I like the general
>> “Upper Indian Ford Creek” tag instead of a simple lat-long coordinate.
>> Since the bird moved further upstream a quarter mile, the pin would have
>> had to be changed again. Given the vagaries of Ebird, I doubt that serious
>> researchers are going to need exact coordinates of any bird. In a hike
>> along this creek, which I did for about a mile I would have had to create a
>> personal location for each bird I saw. I don’t see how that is feasible.
>>
>>
>>
>> Tom
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* David Bailey [mailto:<davidcbaileyoregon...>]
>> *Sent:* Monday, June 08, 2020 10:11 PM
>> *To:* Lars Norgren
>> *Cc:* Tom Crabtree; <COBOL...>; OBOL Oregon Birders Online
>> *Subject:* Re: [obol] Re: Least Flycatcher Deschutes County -
>>
>>
>>
>> Lars,
>>
>>
>>
>> I think an exact or near exact GPS point is appropriate for a point count
>> list, but is that how most people who report to ebird are conducting? If
>> the observer is traveling a quarter mile or two miles and the hotspot is
>> within that space traveled, is that not good enough? The answer of course
>> always depends on the goals of the research. In the case of ebird citizen
>> scientists merged with birding the goals of the research have not all been
>> identified.
>>
>>
>>
>> David in Seaside, where there was a flock of waxing in a holly tree on
>> Necanicum today.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 8, 2020, 21:58 larspernorgren <larspernorgren...>
>> wrote:
>>
>> My suggestion , if you want to generate useful data for science, is put
>> in " new personal location"
>>
>> And never use a hot spot again. There is an opportunity to insert a name
>> after the gps coordinates of this new personal location, so it need not be
>> anonymous, generic, what have you. GPS coordinates inserted into the
>> comment section at the end of the list are a nightmare to convert to a pin
>> drop. Researchers rarely refer to those notes. Paul Adamus recently
>> mentioned the standard codes offered---"flyover""nesting" what have you .
>> Using these standard codes in the same line as the species they reference
>> is quite useful to a researcher. Putting them in the comments section means
>> they will probably never be read.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>>
>>
>>
>> -------- Original message --------
>>
>> From: Tom Crabtree <tc...>
>>
>> Date: 6/8/20 9:25 PM (GMT-08:00)
>>
>> To: <COBOL...>, 'OBOL Oregon Birders Online' <obol...>
>>
>> Subject: [obol] Least Flycatcher Deschutes County -
>>
>>
>>
>> Ebird users – if you have birded in the area for the Least Flycatcher
>> currently in Deschutes County, there is now a hotspot for Upper Indian Ford
>> Creek. Please use this for your Ebird lists for this area. If you are
>> contemplating looking for it, it has apparently moved upstream another ¼
>> mile or thereabouts. Here are alternate directions:
>>
>>
>>
>> If you want quick access, don’t turn onto 305. Stay on the main road,
>> park at the gate and walk downstream from there a couple hundred yards. If
>> you do start at the end of the 305/306 access you’ll be rewarded with
>> plenty of other good birds, though. This area is still Upper Indian Ford
>> Creek.
>>
>>
>>
>> Tom Crabtree, Bend
>>
>>
>

 
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