Date: 6/9/20 3:44 pm
From: Tom Crabtree <tc...>
Subject: [obol] Re: Least Flycatcher Deschutes County -

I don’t have the dislike for Hotspots that you do. I like the general “Upper Indian Ford Creek” tag instead of a simple lat-long coordinate. Since the bird moved further upstream a quarter mile, the pin would have had to be changed again. Given the vagaries of Ebird, I doubt that serious researchers are going to need exact coordinates of any bird. In a hike along this creek, which I did for about a mile I would have had to create a personal location for each bird I saw. I don’t see how that is feasible.


From: David Bailey [mailto:<davidcbaileyoregon...>]
Sent: Monday, June 08, 2020 10:11 PM
To: Lars Norgren
Cc: Tom Crabtree; <COBOL...>; OBOL Oregon Birders Online
Subject: Re: [obol] Re: Least Flycatcher Deschutes County -


I think an exact or near exact GPS point is appropriate for a point count list, but is that how most people who report to ebird are conducting? If the observer is traveling a quarter mile or two miles and the hotspot is within that space traveled, is that not good enough? The answer of course always depends on the goals of the research. In the case of ebird citizen scientists merged with birding the goals of the research have not all been identified.

David in Seaside, where there was a flock of waxing in a holly tree on Necanicum today.

On Mon, Jun 8, 2020, 21:58 larspernorgren <larspernorgren...> wrote:

My suggestion , if you want to generate useful data for science, is put in " new personal location"

And never use a hot spot again. There is an opportunity to insert a name after the gps coordinates of this new personal location, so it need not be anonymous, generic, what have you. GPS coordinates inserted into the comment section at the end of the list are a nightmare to convert to a pin drop. Researchers rarely refer to those notes. Paul Adamus recently mentioned the standard codes offered---"flyover""nesting" what have you . Using these standard codes in the same line as the species they reference is quite useful to a researcher. Putting them in the comments section means they will probably never be read.

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From: Tom Crabtree <tc...>

Date: 6/8/20 9:25 PM (GMT-08:00)

To: <COBOL...>, 'OBOL Oregon Birders Online' <obol...>

Subject: [obol] Least Flycatcher Deschutes County -

Ebird users – if you have birded in the area for the Least Flycatcher currently in Deschutes County, there is now a hotspot for Upper Indian Ford Creek. Please use this for your Ebird lists for this area. If you are contemplating looking for it, it has apparently moved upstream another ¼ mile or thereabouts. Here are alternate directions:

If you want quick access, don’t turn onto 305. Stay on the main road, park at the gate and walk downstream from there a couple hundred yards. If you do start at the end of the 305/306 access you’ll be rewarded with plenty of other good birds, though. This area is still Upper Indian Ford Creek.

Tom Crabtree, Bend

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