Date: 10/8/19 11:42 am
From: DJLauten and KACastelein <deweysage...>
Subject: [obol] Re: Limits on the interpretation of detail in bird records
Well, what it likely really means are they can tell who is a good data
enterer.    That does not really reflect the level of birding skill the
person has.    I am sure there is likely a correlation between 'better
birders' and 'better eBirders'.    There are certainly extremely
excellent birders who are terrible eBirders.    However it is likely
that very good birders who use eBird are often very good eBirders and
therefore they can tell that from the data input.    And I am sure there
are very poor birders who may be good at entering data but you can tell
they are not very good birders by either the lack of diversity they
enter or the identification mistakes they make.

Dave Lauten

On 10/8/2019 8:04 AM, Jack Maynard wrote:
> Kelli and I recently attended a talk by Brian Sullivan of eBird. Among
> the many interesting facts he shared about their data collection and
> use was that eBird quantifies the skills of the individual birder
> reporting based upon number of species seen per tune unit and
> regularity of checkins.
> He didn’t get very granular in the details, but he did say that eBird
> “...knows if you are a new birder or very experienced birder.”
> Here’s a link to Monterey Birding Fest Speaker link.
> I highly recommend attending his talk if you ever get a chance.
> Jack Maynard
> NE Portland
> Sent from my iPhone
> On Oct 8, 2019, at 7:13 AM, Thomas Gilg <tom...>
> <mailto:<tom...>> wrote:
>> I've often wondered the practicality and reliability of eBird
>> supporting an optional protocol-used checkbox. I've seen plenty of
>> birders toggle between casual and serious, but there is no way (I
>> believe) beyond comments to convey said rigor in eBird.
>> In other industries, I've helped design large eServices that allow
>> certifications/skills to be entered, which then allows the system to
>> offer up more trusted and rigorous tagging privileges.
>> Thomas Gilg, on the road
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> *From:* <obol-bounce...> <mailto:<obol-bounce...>
>> <obol-bounce...> <mailto:<obol-bounce...>> on
>> behalf of Alan Contreras <acontrer56...>
>> <mailto:<acontrer56...>>
>> *Sent:* Monday, October 7, 2019 10:40:58 PM
>> *To:* obol <obol...> <mailto:<obol...>>
>> *Subject:* [obol] Limits on the interpretation of detail in bird records
>> I don’t think it is useful to try to generate comparisons among loose
>> assemblages of non-comparable things dredged up long after the fact.
>> Many of us who hear Tropical Kingbirds vocalize in Oregon simply
>> don’t mention that fact in published reports, whether in eBird or
>> other venues, nor do we mention the forked tail, big bill or bright
>> yellow underparts.
>> Why not?  Because that isn’t how birding works.  Unless a report
>> falls into the category that records committees chow down on, this
>> level of detail on how a bird was identified might occasionally
>> reside in personal notes but is very rarely included in any kind of
>> published material.
>> Does that limit what a researcher might do with such material?  Yup.
>> When I go out in the field I am rarely conducting a study.  I am
>> birding.  I am on my own time doing something I enjoy.  In that
>> situation my obligation to future researchers is nil. I understand
>> that researchers wish I did things in a way that would be more
>> helpful to them, but the idea that there is a duty to live according
>> to someone else’s wishes or agenda is not an adult thought.
>> That said, sometimes I AM doing what I would consider focused data
>> collection.  I have kept several years of records for a private
>> landowner.  That is data collected on purpose for the landowner and
>> my approach to that process is more structured.
>> Birding activity CAN be channeled for scientific purposes, but it
>> need not be.
>> Today I sought TRKIs and found none.  I did see a Prairie Warbler,
>> some Townsend’s Warblers and some Song Sparrows and I heard a heap of
>> Virginia Rails.  That’s all part of the birding experience.  I
>> enjoyed that time with my friends.
>> Alan Contreras
>> <acontrer56...> <mailto:<acontrer56...>
>> Eugene, Oregon
>> <>
>> Nostalgic for Nixon….

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