Date: 10/4/19 11:33 am
From: Lars Norgren <larspernorgren...>
Subject: [obol] Re: reporting banded birds to the BBL
I concur with the Curmudgeon.
Who do you be JB?lpn

On Fri, Oct 4, 2019, 11:26 AM Alan Contreras <acontrer56...> wrote:

> As a former bander I think it is good advice to report all marked birds to
> the BBL but I don’t know who JB is who offers this advice.
>
> The custom on OBOL, with our 1000+ members, is to include our names and
> the location of named birding sites that may not be instantly obvious.
>
>
> Alan Contreras
> <acontrer56...>
> Eugene, Oregon
>
> www.alanlcontreras.com
>
> Nostalgic for Nixon….
>
>
> On Oct 4, 2019, at 11:14 AM, <shovelor...> wrote:
>
> ALL, I repeat ALL marked birds should be reported to the BBL... which I
> hope is what the consensus is here. Let there be no confusion. The birding
> community appreciates all your personal efforts but the information should
> travel down the pipeline appropriately.
>
> Finder/reporter -> BBL/federal Database -> individual bander
>
> Anything less results in a whole slough of issues including but not
> limited to 1.inaccurate information due to being passed through too many
> sources (game of telephone comes to mind) 2.individual banders manipulating
> data 3.something happens to a bander and they are no longer involved in the
> project... etc etc etc.
>
> The BBL exists for a reason. Use it!
>
> -JB
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Oct 4, 2019, at 11:03 AM, Carole Hallett <carole.hallett...>
> wrote:
>
> Hi Dave,
> Like you, I use auxiliary markers (wing tags and coded leg bands) to
> identify individual birds (Red-tailed Hawks). If they are sighted and
> reported to the Bird Banding Lab (BBL) the BBL will send that info to me
> but I'm pretty sure it is also retained in their system and therefore
> available for all of time to any future researcher who wants to look into
> movements or survival or whatever of translocated Red-tailed Hawks. So,
> even if right now you were the only one who cares where all of those
> color-banded SNPL are being seen, which isn't the case, by not sending the
> color marker sighting to the BBL all those future researchers will be
> missing all that valuable background info.
>
> Okay, just realized I may have misread your message and what you were
> saying is that people don't need to send the info to the BBL if they have
> already sent it to you because *you *will send it to the BBL. If that's
> the case I apologize for this mini rant. As a long time bander I know it is
> like GOLD when I get a report that someone has seen and reported one of my
> birds. I absolutely want to encourage folks to report all sightings to the
> BBL. (now I'll probably get an irate message from them asking why I am
> creating all this extra work!)
>
> I'll leave it here.
>
> Thanks for all of your good work on behalf of our Western Snowy Plover!
>
> Carole Hallett
> Portland, OR
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 4, 2019 at 9:43 AM DJLauten and KACastelein <
> <deweysage...> wrote:
>
>> Hi folks,
>>
>> As many of you have seen, I have been responding to reports of color
>> banded Snowy Plovers on the Oregon coast. I am doing this for several
>> reasons including I suspected many people might be interested to know
>> where these birds are from as well as trying to keep everyone interested
>> because these sightings are very important and useful to us, the
>> researchers who banded and work with the plovers. These 'resightings'
>> of banded plovers are effectively a 'recapture' of a banded bird, and
>> that information is used to do detailed survival analysis amongst other
>> things. So your sightings are extremely important and are actually used
>> in so called real science applications, similar to eBird (but actually
>> arguably even more useful!).
>>
>> With that said, if you see a color banded Snowy Plover in Oregon,
>> technically there is no need to report these birds to the Bird Banding
>> Lab (BBL). I say this with lots of caution, because I highly encourage
>> anyone who sees a banded bird to report that bird to the BBL!!!!! The
>> researchers who band most birds are thrilled to get resightings because
>> they tend to be very rare and the information is incredibly useful to
>> them. So please do it. However, in the case of Snowy Plovers, at this
>> time it is sufficient to report the birds directly to me. The reason I
>> say this is because when you send a report of a banded Snowy Plover to
>> BBL, all they do is forward it to me anyway!!!! I am uncertain how BBL
>> stores data, but species specific data like this is forwarded by BBL to
>> the appropriate researcher as BBL does not manage nor use that
>> information for their own purposes. Yes they are the clearing house for
>> banded birds, but it is us, the actual researchers, who are responsible
>> for managing and dealing with our color banded birds.
>>
>> So, if you see a banded bird, please do report it to BBL. But if you
>> see a color banded Snowy Plover, you do not have to send it to BBL as
>> long as you send it to me (technically if you are linked into the OPRD
>> volunteer system, if you report it to them it will also be stored for
>> our purposes). You can still send it to BBL, but note that they will
>> simply forward the information to me anyway. You do not have to do
>> both.
>>
>> I hope I did not muddy the waters as I do not want to discourage anyone
>> from reporting to BBL. But several emails I just received indicated
>> that they sent reports to BBL or they were going to, and there is no
>> need to do so if you sent the report to me.
>>
>> Thanks again for all your reports, they help tell a very interesting
>> story of the recolonization of the north coast of Oregon by Snowy
>> Plovers after being absent for decades. If you work hard enough you
>> can now get Snowy Plover in ever coastal county in Oregon. Very cool.
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Dave Lauten
>>
>> Oregon Biodiversity Information Center
>>
>> Institute for Natural Resources
>>
>> Portland State University
>>
>> <deweysage...>
>>
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