Date: 9/28/19 11:53 am From: Sheila Junge (G2) <sgjsacto...> Subject: [obol] Re: Those fall kingbirds
Josh – Thank you for this.
I'm a longtime lurker on OBOL. I subscribed due to occasional visits to Oregon and have remained due to the opportunity to learn AND for the sense of community. I plan to spend more time birding in Oregon in future.
This was a chance to discuss (king)bird ID issues but community not so much. I am so dismayed at the harsh (disrespectful?) tone of some of the comments that I am posting to OBOL for the first time.
Can't we all agree to disagree without being disagreeable.
On 9/28/2019 7:19 AM, Josh Spice wrote: > First and foremost, my sincere apologies to all for stepping out of > line with name-calling. That was unnecessary and unacceptable. I seem > to have read the two emails differently and was offended at the tone. > That did not warrant name-calling. Swallowing my own pride here and my > sincere apologies to all. A valuable lesson learned in my first > experience (and year) with listservs. > > Off less importance, a second thought I had in reading some great > replies by experienced kingbird-ers is if the the main difference > between the two species is voice, could the 'two species' just be a > matter of splitting instead of lumping? It'd be fun to hear more from > those who know more about this. > > Again, I stepped out of line with my name-calling and I apologize to > everyone for that. Let's all keep this a non-attacking place, > hopefully always from the start of every email thread. > > Good birding to all and thanks for everyone's contributions. I, for > one, have been grateful for this resource and the people that make it up. > > Josh > > > > On Fri, Sep 27, 2019, 22:00 Wayne Weber <contopus...> > <mailto:<contopus...>> wrote: > > Alex, > > You are probably correct that non-vocalizing Tropical and Couch’s > Kingbirds cannot usually be distinguished from each other under > field conditions. However, geographic distribution is a major > factor that should be considered in making bird identifications. > Tropical Kingbird is a species which has a well-documented pattern > of fall occurrence along the West Coast. There are records north > to Alaska, and there are scores of sightings every fall in coastal > BC, Washington, Oregon, and California. On the other hand, there > is only one confirmed record of Couch’s Kingbird on the west coast > (in 1998 in Orange County, California). Given these facts, it is a > certainty that fewer than 1%, if any, of the Tropical/Couch’s type > Kingbirds seen in Oregon are actually Couch’s. Observers should > feel safe in reporting such birds as Tropical Kingbirds, with very > little likelihood of error. > > Your statement that non-vocalizing birds MUST be recorded as > Tropical/Couch’s is ludicrous. Using your standards, we would have > to report all non-vocalizing meadowlarks seen in Oregon as > Eastern/Western, because these two are very difficult to separate. > > Please do not bother to send any more of your dogmatic and > bluntly-worded messages about bird identification to OBOL. Many of > us have been birding much longer than you, are well aware of the > various pitfalls in bird identification, and do not need to be > lectured by you on how to report things in eBird. Thank you. > > Wayne C. Weber > > Delta, BC, Canada > > <contopus...> <mailto:<contopus...> > > *From:*<obol-bounce...> > <mailto:<obol-bounce...> > [mailto:<obol-bounce...> > <mailto:<obol-bounce...>] *On Behalf Of *Alex Lamoreaux > *Sent:* Friday, September 27, 2019 4:38 PM > *To:* Oregon Birders OnLine > *Subject:* [obol] Re: Those fall kingbirds > > Similar to my rant on crossbills yesterday, without vocalizations > Tropical and Couch’s Kingbirds are not identifiable under field > conditions. Some variation in shape of the P4 on adult males, and > other subtle in-hand features can separate them but otherwise they > must be recorded as Tropical/Couch’s until vocals can confirm > species. Current eBird records of this Newport bird make no > mention of calls and the records should be changed to the dreaded > ‘slash’. > > Tropical has shown a solid pattern of northward movement up the > west coast in fall in recent years (and up the east coast to a > lesser extent, with overwintering in Florida etc) but Couch’s > Kingbird has also greatly increased its US population in the last > 10 years and should be expected as a fall vagrant throughout the > country. 4+ have been confirmed by vocals in the west, and many > more in the northeast and Great Lakes. > > Alex > > Alex Lamoreaux > > 717-943-7086 > > Naturalist and Senior Leader/North America Specialist for Wildside > Nature Tours > https://wildsidenaturetours.com/team-member/alex-lamoreaux/ >