Date: 8/27/19 5:48 pm
From: Jelmer Poelstra (via carolinabirds Mailing List) <carolinabirds...>
Subject: Re: exciting gull at Falls Lake
Just a brief note that we now think we can safely call the bird discussed
in this thread a Little Gull. Any nagging doubts about the remote
possibility of a Ross's were squashed by Bruce's confidence in having seen
a black terminal band across the entire tail, as well as a clear vagrancy
pattern: first-cycle Ross's mostly turn up from mid- to late winter (just a
single October record in Scotland was the earliest non-arctic appearance of
a first-year bird that I could find). Records of August juvenile Little
Gulls quite far south, on the other hand, are not too hard to find --e.g. 3
together on an Aug 14th in Colorado--, though not close to the Atlantic
coast. As for plumage, the shoulder patch is among the last to disappear in
the juv to first-winter molt, such that a more Kittiwake-like appearance is
indeed possible. Still, this early in the year, it is likely that this bird
did have some dark markings that we did not notice on the back and

Good birding,

Jelmer Poelstra

On Sun, Aug 25, 2019 at 10:54 AM Jelmer Poelstra <jelmerpoelstra...>

> Hi all,
> I first noticed this Gull from Rolling View yesterday at about 4:20 pm,
> within a group of Common Terns, but soon went to Sandling Beach since the
> birds were much closer to that shore. That turned out to be a bad choice,
> as the group had moved westwards *passed* Rolling View by the time I
> arrived at Sandling. They did come back to the area between Rolling View
> and Sandling Beach several times but never close by. I don't think I ever
> saw the bird closer than at about 1-2,000 ft. but did see it for extended
> periods of time (15+ minutes in the scope).
> I tried to take both pictures and phone-scoped videos of the bird when the
> group got a little closer but failed -- the bird wasn't identifiable among
> the mass of terns on the phone or camera screen. This just got me very
> frustrated as I was missing opportunities to see the bird better. I also
> attempted to post to Carolinabirds soon after I first saw the bird, by
> replying to Brian B's message, but in my haste only replied to him.
> A couple of the features noted:
> * Striking black W on upperwing.
> * Outside of the W, the upperwing appeared pale. Thus on the arm, there
> was pale both in front of the diagonal band (i.e., not at all a
> Sabine's-patern) and behind it, with entirely whitish secondaries (e.g. not
> the black trailing edge of Bonaparte's).
> * Obvious shoulder patch reminiscent of Black Tern, likely continuing up
> the top of the neck.
> * No obvious dark on head.
> * Gray back that appeared unmarked.
> * Black terminal tail band, though I am unsure whether it went across the
> entire tail or was limited to the central tail feathers.
> * Rather similar in size to the Common Terns it was flying amidst, but
> slightly smaller, both in terms of body size and wingspan.
> * Flight style also very similar to the Common Terns, but slightly
> flappier. (I did note it first by flight style and then noticed the W when
> zooming in. Nevertheless, the flight style in combination with the size
> made it surprisingly easy to overlook at a distance among the terns.)
> I went back-and-forth on the ID. I initially identified it as a Kittiwake,
> taking the black shoulder patch to be diagnostic. But as I started paying
> more attention to the fact that the bird was slightly smaller rather than
> clearly bigger and bulkier than the Common Terns, that seemed untenable. I
> still excluded Little Gull based on the shoulder patch, white secondaries,
> and no apparent dark on the head -- and when I thought I saw that the black
> on the tail was limited to slightly protruding central tail feathers, I for
> a while thought Ross's.
> However, I had completely overlooked the fact that juvenile Little Gulls,
> before moulting to the 1st winter plumage we are more used to seeing them
> in, do have a big dark spot on the upper side of the breast. Moreover,
> looking at some pictures of various 1cy Little Gulls, the dark secondary
> markings seem rather variable and can be absent or nearly so. Finally, the
> appearance of a pale head can possibly be blamed on the distance (i.e.,
> overlooking the cap). But to keep things puzzling all the same, an
> unmoulted juvenile Little Gull should, in addition to the black shoulder
> patch, also show dark markings on much of the back -- and the back appeared
> an unmarked gray. Can the dark back molt to gray before the shoulder patch?
> All in all, I think the size as described fully excludes Kittiwake, and
> think the bird is most likely to have been a Little Gull. But given some
> puzzling apparent features of the plumage, I still have trouble excluding
> Ross's, however unlikely. But any feedback is welcome! (For instance, I
> wonder if the timing of breeding and dispersal would make a 1cy of any of
> these 3 species a priori out of the question as early as late August.)
> I also briefly saw an adult Laughing Gull flying east to west almost right
> over Rolling View before I noted the other gull, so plenty of excitement
> going around from the get-go. Otherwise, the 3 Black Terns that Brian B.
> reported earlier were still there, as were at least 4 Caspian Terns and a
> single Forster's Tern, making for four species of tern.
> Good birding,
> Jelmer Poelstra
> Durham
> On Sat, Aug 24, 2019 at 9:09 PM bruce young <carolinabirds...>
> wrote:
>> Jelmer Poelstra reported a juvenile Black-legged Kittwake around 5:00 and
>> I got there a little after 6 right about the time he postulated it might
>> just be a Ross's Gull (!!!). At that point he was at Sandling beach and I
>> was at Rolling View. Brian Bockhahn joined me maybe 30 minutes later.
>> I had one sustained 4-5 minute view and a couple of shorter ones in my
>> scope of the flying bird. It was never exactly close and I was near top
>> power on my scope (60x) for most of it and the birds did not stop at any
>> time. It was a gray day with night coming on.
>> I believe it was a Kittiwake.
>> It was flying mostly with a group of Caspian Terns. It was noticeably
>> smaller and more compact than them. There were a couple of Common and at
>> least 1 Black Tern around but I never got a good size comparison with them.
>> The most noticeable plumage feature was the broad black M across the
>> wings comprising the front of the wings to the outer primary tips then back
>> to the base of the wings through the coverts. The M was not neat more messy
>> and broad. Other than the outer primaries the rest of the flight feathers
>> were pale. Mantle was light gray. Underwings pale
>> The tail was square with a black band going clear across the tail from
>> side to side.
>> There was a small black ear patch and a larger black area on the side of
>> the neck which may have met as a collar in back but couldn't really tell.
>> Other than Ross's, Little and Sabines were also mooted. Sabines is out
>> with the pale mantle and full black M. I believe Ross's is out based o n
>> the tail shape, the black bar going all the way across the tail and the
>> black collar. Little Gull is tougher. There was a lot of black on the top
>> of the wing but I didn't see a black patch at the base of the secondaries
>> or a black cap and I did see the black collar especially on the sides of
>> the neck. Plus I don't think it was quite that small.
>> Bruce Young
>> <byoung715...>
>> Durham, NC
> --
> Jelmer Poelstra
> 311 Biological Sciences Building, Biology Department
> Duke University Durham, NC
> Email: <jelmerpoelstra...> / <jelmer.poelstra...>
> Phone: (+1) 919-260-8253

Jelmer Poelstra
311 Biological Sciences Building, Biology Department
Duke University Durham, NC
Email: <jelmerpoelstra...> / <jelmer.poelstra...>
Phone: (+1) 919-260-8253

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