Date: 8/26/19 3:45 pm
From: Daniel Kaplan (via carolinabirds Mailing List) <carolinabirds...>
Subject: Re: On Lazuli Bunting, an August rare gull, and other birds that got away
To close on a positive note, a Lazuli Bunting at Ft Macon in 1996 was I
think the first rarity I twitched thanks to carolinabirds.

Dan Kaplan

On Mon, Aug 26, 2019 at 3:44 PM Dennis Burnette <deburnette...>

> I suggest that we let this blow over and get back to birds. Drop it and
> few people will even remember it in a few weeks. It would be nice to know
> if the main bird in question actually was a Lazuli Bunting, but even that
> isn’t worth all the angst and hurt feelings being generated.
> --
> Dennis E. Burnette
> Greensboro, NC 27410
> <deburnette...>
> From: <carolinabirds-request...> <carolinabirds-re%0D+<quest...>>
> on behalf of Carolinabirds <carolinabirds...>
> Reply-To: "LeGrand, Harry" <hlegrandjr...>
> Date: Monday, August 26, 2019 at 10:13 AM
> To: Carolinabirds <carolinabirds...>
> Subject: On Lazuli Bunting, an August rare gull, and other birds that got
> away
> Yesterday, on this listserve, I was verbally attacked by a person named
> Pam Diamond, who claims that I called her "not a birder" in regard to the
> report of a Lazuli Bunting. This greatly bothered and confused me, because*
> her name is not the name of the observer and photographer of the bird
> report ed as a Lazuli Bunting*. That person's name is Patricia Finch,
> and she lives in Beaufort. This name and town appear on the *CBC Rare
> Bird Report form, which Ms. Finch has submitted now to the NC Bird Records
> Committee.* Her name -- Patricia Beers Finch -- also is mentioned often
> in the Facebook string.
> I have read, re-read, etc., about all of the 37 comments on Facebook
> regarding this bird, and *nowhere in these comments does the name of Pam
> Diamond appear*. From what I understand, Ms. Diamond lives in Cary (Wake
> County), nowhere near the coast. Late last night, after reading her strong
> wording to me, I felt like these two names were one and the same person,
> and I'm still not sure they aren't the same person. Why would someone who
> lives in Cary, and whose name did not appear on the Facebook string, give
> me grief for attacking her credibility as being "not a birder"?
> At an y rate, the Records Committee now has a Rare Bird Report form. (As
> a advisory member of the committee, I have access to the submitted Rare
> Bird Report forms, from the CBC website.) I DO want to thank Ms. Finch for
> taking the time to fill out the report form. The Records Committee will be
> reviewing that and the photo and presumably will vote on it later this year.
> As for "birds that got away", and it is possible that this Beaufort bird
> is one that "got away" without being accepted by the Committee, we can
> probably add -- and these are birds seen by experienced observers with
> dozens of years I the field:
> 1. the immature Falls Lake gull. Was it a Ross' Gull (would be a first
> Carolina record)? A Little Gull (several previous Piedmont records)? A
> Black-legged Kittiwake (two previous Piedmont records)? In any case, such
> a gull in AUGUST is a complete shock.
> 2. a large swift seen flying past several birders at Oregon Inlet years
> ago. There was talk of it being a needletail swift of some type. Whatever
> it was, it almost certainly was a first state record.
> 3. a medium-sized shearwater that I and a few other birders saw on a
> pelagic trip off Hatteras, on August 5, 1995. We discussed it as being
> in-between a Cory's, Greater, and Manx in size, but brownish above.. We
> were thinking an odd Mediterranean Shearwater. A handful of years later,
> Cape Verde Shearwater was formally described, and at that time one was
> photographed off Hatteras. In hindsight, plus now that I have seen about 5
> of them near the Cape Verde Islands, I know in fact it was a Cape Verde
> Shearwater -- but, I'm not writing up an after-the-fact report, without
> photos of it. It is a "bird that got away" (Sight reports of rare pelagic
> bird s aren't in vogue these days!).
> In summary, even very experienced birders have "birds that got away" --
> too far away to be confirmed, too similar to other species to be
> identified, too quick of a view, etc. But, inexperienced birders make a
> great contribution by photographing rare birds -- like several rare orioles
> at feeders in NC, even if they know they are odd but don't know what they
> are. Or, by notifying other birders about an odd or unusual bird that
> needs identification or confirmation. Plus, there are many, many more
> inexperienced birders in the Carolinas than there are those with a dozen or
> more years of experience. So, the Carolinas need all types to contribute
> to the bird records.
> Harry LeGrand
> Raleigh

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