Date: 8/25/19 6:16 am From: Pam Diamond (via carolinabirds Mailing List) <carolinabirds...> Subject: Re: carolinabirds Digest Sun, 25 Aug 2019
"1) the observer to complete a Rare Bird Report form, to let us know more
about what she saw. It is clear she is not a birder, had no idea what a
Lazuli Bunting was, and of course Chaffinch is a foreign word. Thus, we
have no idea from Facebook comments if she had looked at photos of Common
Chaffinch, to say "yes" or "no" to that. She did say "yes" to Lazuli after
she had seen online photos, but ….."
I was excited to read the “buzz” and learn about this possible Lazuli
Bunting. I was hopeful that Steve Howell, with whom I had the privilege of
birding once at Howell Woods (he helped me find my first prothonotary and
hooded warblers years ago), would find it and document it in good photos.
But I have to say, Mr. Legrand, I find your words deeply offensive. Clearly
by your standards, whatever they are, you would say I am not a birder. But
I hope that Kevin Karlson, Glenn Crawford, Angel Abreu and some of the
other fabulous guides, authors and ornithology experts (some of whom I
birded with during spring migration on the shores of Lake Erie) would tell
you differently. I hope that some of the local people - Brian Pendergraft
(thank you for helping me shift my passion into high gear), Erla Beegle,
John Gerwin, John Connors, Susan Campbell, Lucas Bobay, Jim Capel and the
list goes on - would tell you I am a passionate and committed birder. My
neighbors and friends for sure will describe me as such. Just the other
night at religious services I was greeted with, “ah, the bird lady.” (Way
better than crazy cat lady IMHO.) Can I identify everything I see? NO. Do I
know every bird there is to know? NO (I did not know what a Lazuli Bunting
was.) Do I know all the terminology? No. Do I know all the right ways to
report things? No. Do I want to be a part of important record keeping and
reporting for our state? YES. Do I care about bird conservation?
Absolutely. Am I personally involved in bird conservation? Yes. And that,
sir, is why you want to to be inclusive and helpful to those of us who
don’t know everything there is to know about birding and reporting vs.
being off putting, offensive and holier than thou. To paraphrase Jack
Nicholson, YOU WANT ME ON THAT TEAM. YOU NEED ME ON THAT TEAM. This is not
a hobby or passion to keep only for the select few. If that’s the case, our
beautiful birds will surely suffer the consequences.
*Cary, NC *
On Sun, Aug 25, 2019 at 6:00 AM <carolinabirds-request...> wrote:
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Harry LeGrand <hlegrandjr...>
> To: Will Cook <cwcook...>
> Cc: Carolina Birds <carolinabirds...>
> Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2019 10:02:13 -0400
> Subject: Re: Lazuli Bunting in Beaufort NC?
> I keep hearing "buzz" from various sources, for which I cannot seem to
> locate either on Facebook or eBird -- though friends have said they have
> found such "buzz" -- that this bird likely will have to remain
> "unidentified", or "inconclusively documented", to use my paraphrasing.
> The original photo and the lightened/enlarged photo certainly by itself
> does not document a Lazuli Bunting, in my opinion, especially as Common
> Chaffinch does not seem to have been ruled out from the photo. Though
> the observer reported "bright blue head, rusty orange feathers under the
> chin and a white breast" on her Facebook comments, which does lean it to
> the bunting and not the Chaffinch, note that Chaffinch also has a large
> white upper wing bar, and it rusty orange on the throat up to the chin, has
> some blueish on the crown and nape, and the belly is pale. Lazuli Bunting
> -- certainly the much more likely of the two -- has two of the three
> written marks -- a bright blue head and a white belly, but the rusty orange
> color is on the upper breast; the throat and chin is mainly blue.
> I am on the NC Bird Records Committee, in an advisory capacity, as a
> non-voting member. I encourage:
> 1) the observer to complete a Rare Bird Report form, to let us know more
> about what she saw. It is clear she is not a birder, had no idea what a
> Lazuli Bunting was, and of course Chaffinch is a foreign word. Thus, we
> have no idea from Facebook comments if she had looked at photos of Common
> Chaffinch, to say "yes" or "no" to that. She did say "yes" to Lazuli after
> she had seen online photos, but …..
> 2) the NC BRC to vote on the bird, as from what I currently see on
> Facebook, it stands there as an identification as a Lazuli Bunting. This
> has never been sent to eBird, that I can tell. Someone told me that the
> eBird reviewer was not going to accept the report, but … as it nonetheless
> WAS reported on Facebook as a Lazuli Bunting, it needs a vote, as the
> potential third record for NC.
> Harry LeGrand
> On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 4:57 PM Will Cook <cwcook...> wrote:
>> Folks may be interested to know that there's an apparent Lazuli Bunting
>> at a feeder in Beaufort, NC, confirmed by a photo that may just be good
>> enough to clinch the ID. I know nothing more than what's in this post on
>> the Carolina Birders facebook group:
>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.facebook.com_groups_carolinabirders_permalink_2348108728598053_&d=DwIFaQ&c=imBPVzF25OnBgGmVOlcsiEgHoG1i6YHLR0Sj_gZ4adc&r=ymRCw6Q-sBitug_rdeO1Tokz-I_SX2LQN2_Ocvlal9U&m=-IkOyZM4WCx4F2-F5WC1PoS79LDIl2xqs5WPCv4lA5I&s=3KanySRDSqwKuYeQt91W_XPWeAFtJChEuSALMFpk0pM&e= >> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.facebook.com_groups_carolinabirders_permalink_2348108728598053_&d=DwMGaQ&c=imBPVzF25OnBgGmVOlcsiEgHoG1i6YHLR0Sj_gZ4adc&r=ymRCw6Q-sBitug_rdeO1Tokz-I_SX2LQN2_Ocvlal9U&m=XrBMmnjJr2WUZtmTQ9w08J9H8db1CV74kBkJglmmiqI&s=2GbwzeEsC7Cys97LYgB-87EX3la4A69h57tswfVEkHg&e=> >>
>> A darling little bird, indeed!
>> Charles W. (Will) Cook
>> Nicholas School of the Environment
>> Division of Environmental Science & Policy
>> Box 90328, Duke University, Durham, NC 27708