Date: 7/30/19 4:47 pm
From: larspernorgren <larspernorgren...>
Subject: [obol] Re: Titmouse Oak or Juniper?
The weird thing about the Warner Mountains is they have no Douglas-fir, a species that grows all the way south to Oaxaca. But the state tree of Idaho, the western white pine, was widespread there until logging in the mid-20th century. Adjacent "lowland" birds(Lakeview is 5000 ft above sealevel) regularly seem anomalous to some of the humans paying attention. One worthy birder has put a lot of archival material, with photos, on eBird, for Modoc County. It was an understudied area when Alan and l spent a night with Sayre Greenfield at Goose Lake State Recreation Area in June of 1976. Nearly a half century later, it remains an understudied area.Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
-------- Original message --------From: Alan Contreras <acontrer56...> Date: 7/30/19 3:50 PM (GMT-08:00) To: larspernorgren <larspernorgren...> Cc: <aslamoreaux...>, <obol...> Subject: Re: [obol] Re: Titmouse Oak or Juniper? Any idea where Walker’s specimens are now? I doubt that those would be at the Tillamook museum.  Probably at San Diego or LA unless he sent them to DC.There is at least a small population of mausen ne of K Falls that Kevin Spencer found a few years back.  Still within the Sprague-Williamson system as I recall.
Alan <Contrerasacontrer56...>,

On Jul 30, 2019, at 3:47 PM, larspernorgren <larspernorgren...> wrote:The Adel titmice have been there for over 100 years that we know of. Tillamook's greatest son, Alex Walker, collected some as soon as the Model T was on the market it seems. There have been no detections in the area between Lakeview and Kfalls in the ensuing century. The fieldwork that led to the Oak/Juniper split was done on the Modoc Plateau, the California side of said landscape. Generally they Do Not hybridize there, but breed sympatrically.      I am mystified by such an off the cuff dismissal of Adel's Bæolophus bonafides. That entire border region deserves more attention. Whether it's botanizing ,birding, or butterflies, every visitor is guaranteed a steady stream of pleasant surprises. LarsSent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone-------- Original message --------From: Alan Contreras <acontrer56...> Date: 7/30/19 3:14 PM (GMT-08:00) To: <aslamoreaux...> Cc: <obol...> Subject: [obol] Re: Titmouse Oak or Juniper? As far as I know there are no known specimens or otherwise proven Oak Titmouse east of California and the s. Klamath River of Oregon and all the ones in Nevada are considered Juniper.  I’m not sure if anyone has studied the ones in Lake County Oregon but I’m not sure why they’d be presumed Oak. That said, there is very little Juniper T population in nw Nevada according to the state atlas and I’m not sure where the populations connect.Joel, what’s the status around Sheldon?
Alan <Contrerasacontrer56...>,

On Jul 30, 2019, at 3:06 PM, Alex Lamoreaux <aslamoreaux...> wrote:Also, is there any real evidence those Adel area birds are actually Juniper... they are almost certainly hybrids or just Oak. AlexOn Mon, Jul 29, 2019 at 8:38 PM Larry S. Goodhew <lsg...> wrote:This is a titmouse I saw 10/21/18 in Klamath Falls It may be to brownish
to be a Juniper.  Would like some feedback. Thanks. Larry Goodhew  
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