Date: 5/10/19 5:31 am
From: DJ Lauten and KACastelein <deweysage...>
Subject: [obol] Re: Fwd: A little more historical perspective

you talking about Americans or birders?  LOL.

Let me requote you about both: "The absurdity comes when too much,
perhaps any, energy is devoted to the minuscule differences of opinion."

Ok, maybe not so minuscule.....

I started birding in NJ over 30 years was pre digital age,
which makes me a dinosaur, I think, but it certainly wasn't all nice old
ladies.   It was everything from nice old ladies to some of the most
hard core birders I have ever met.   Some are still my friends.   I
suspect Shawneen could verify this about NJ was a rainbow
of talent and attitude.    Some thing never change, other things become

Dave Lauten

On 5/10/2019 3:05 AM, Lars Norgren wrote:
> Marti has brought up the all important point. We agree on almost
> everything--the vast satisfactions derived from birds, the importance
> of their conservation.  The absurdity comes when too much, perhaps
> any, energy is devoted to the miniscule differences of opinion. The
> consensus is so big we almost always take it for granted,  the way we
> think about gravity. Lars
> On Thu, May 9, 2019, 10:48 PM Lew & Marti Ligocki
> <ligockibirds...> <mailto:<ligockibirds...>> wrote:
> And yet, if I’m recalling the right guy, he always included in his
> posts the handicapped accessibility of the location.
> The mix of values, beliefs and perspectives within individuals as
> well as within the group is what makes OBOL strong as well as
> interesting. Sometimes in the expression of values and beliefs,
> posters lose perspective, but that’s in the moment. I believe we
> all recognize that in many important ways we are all more alike
> than different.
> Thanks to all of you for participation, including those like
> myself who mostly read only.
> Marti Ligocki
> South Salem
> *From:* Shawneen Finnegan
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 9, 2019 10:18 PM
> *To:* OBOL
> *Subject:* [obol] Fwd: A little more historical perspective
> That is hilarious! OBOL during the wild, wild west days! Thanks
> for those flashbacks, Joel.
> I arrived in Portland in 2007. If you think things are contentious
> now think Cliff Weber. As I recall he said that anyone who showed
> up at his door would be met with an armed response. He had posted
> an opinion that was met with a strong dissent that prompted his
> threat.
> Shawneen Finnegan
> Beaverton
>> Begin forwarded message:
>> *From: *<clearwater...>
>> *Subject: **[obol] A little more historical perspective*
>> *Date: *May 9, 2019 at 5:58:10 PM PDT
>> *To: *Oregon Birders OnLine <obol...>
>> *Reply-To: *<clearwater...>
>> This little trip down memory lane brings up a few more thoughts,
>> not so pleasant.
>> About 15 or 20 years ago (I forget when but it was not long
>> before I joined the OFO board), I walked out to our rural mailbox
>> and found an anonymous postcard (on an Audubon-issued card with a
>> Bald Eagle), telling me to stop posting reports of non-rare birds
>> on OBOL.
>> Around the same time, Marilyn Miller received a similar postcard,
>> threatening to shoot her pet geese Affie and Fuzzy-Goose if she
>> ever mentioned them on OBOL again.
>> At least one other birder out in Florence received one of these
>> too, telling her, "Shut up. You talk too much."
>> I'm pretty sure I know who sent those cards, based on the
>> sentence structure of the note I received. He wasn't a frequent
>> poster and he hasn't posted on OBOL for a long, long time. He
>> might even be dead by now, for all I know.
>> Anyway when people worry about the tone of current discussions,
>> this comes to mind. I don't worry that much about the people who
>> engage in the discussion and sling barbs back and forth. But
>> anyone who thinks this is a "safe space" and that things were
>> better in the past should take a reality check.
>> --
>> Joel Geier
>> Camp Adair area north of Corvallis
>> (do you ever wonder why I usually just post my general location
>> rather than full address?)

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