Date: 4/30/19 6:24 am
From: DJ Lauten and KACastelein <deweysage...>
Subject: [obol] Re: Clatsop Beach Piping Plover?
English correction......

substitute "suggestion" for "suggesting" and "you're" for "your".....

(hoping to alleviate the teachers, English majors, and Joel's concerns
about proper English....;-))


cheers

Dave



On 4/30/2019 6:10 AM, DJ Lauten and KACastelein wrote:
> All plovers have completed molts and are in breeding condition by this
> time.    HY18 birds look indistinguishable from any other adult.
> However plumage variation is extensive.   We have everything from very
> bright and bold males with stunning orange caps and bold facial and
> collar markings, to females who barely show a black feather on face
> and collar and look almost like a juvenile (but are
> distinguishable).    We have females who look like males, and males
> that look like females.    Never does a male look pale, but some
> females look very bold but never show an orange crown.   You might be
> surprised how pale some females are, and in fact, some of the palest,
> or not bold marked females, are the oldest females out there.
>
> I suggest that a Piping Plover would jump out at you and would not be
> confused with a Snowy.   Pipers have bright legs and a bicolored bill
> and are chunkier - and this is because they are more closely related
> to Semipalmated Plover than Snowy despite inhabiting the same habitat
> as Snowy.   My suggesting is if you are wondering whether it was a
> Snowy, it almost certainly was, because if you saw a Piper, you'd be
> like "HOLY COW WHAT'S THAT?".    I find that is true for a lot of hard
> to  identify, closely related species......if you've never seen, say a
> Black Swift, the first time  you see one, you would never confuse it
> with anything else.    This is true for a lot of shorebirds....kind of
> like Sharp-tailed verse Pectoral.   It is always easy to wonder
> whether you are looking at Sharp-tailed when looking at Pecs, but when
> you finally see a  Sharp-tailed,  your like "AHA! - BINGO!".
>
> My two cents.....
>
> Cheers
> Dave Lauten
> (Snowy Plover expert?????)
>
>
>
>
> On 4/30/2019 3:58 AM, Lars Norgren wrote:
>> "When you hear galloping, think 'horses' not 'zebras'." Dr. Moore,
>> OHSU School of Dentistry.   I identified 14 species of shorebird on
>> Clatsop Beach between 2:30 and 4:30, one more between 4:30 and 6:30.
>> What disturbs me about the Snowy Plover l reported in real time was
>> its lack of stripes. No black on the forehead, no black on the upper
>> chest. It was also extremely pale above, a good match for juvenile
>> Piping Plover, a poorer match for immature Snowy Plover. I was busy
>> posting the sighting, glancing at multiple birds around me. I never
>> noted the leg color. If it had been yellow l would be somewhat
>> confident it wasn't a Western Snowy Plover, our "horse" of the moment.
>>        I saw it at a distance of under 10m through 8x binocular. It
>> was front lit, in stark contrast to so many afternoon Pacific beach
>> birds. A foto on my smart phone probably could have zoomed up to
>> provide useful details about bill and feet. Several of the world's
>> experts on Snowy Plover read this list and should know better than l.
>> Where in the molt cycle would last year's hatch of SNPL be now? How
>> likely is a Piping Plover to be in juvenile or winter adult plumage
>> on April 29?
>> Greater Yellowlegs 1
>> Marbled Godwit.      20
>> Short-billed Dowitcher 35
>> Dunlin.                       80
>> Western Sandpiper.  100
>> Least Sandpiper.        20
>> Sanderling.                  30
>> Red Knot.                     20
>> Whimbrel.                    40
>> Long-billed Curlew.     1
>> Ruddy Turnstone.        1
>> Semi-palmated Plover 10
>> Black-bellied Plover.     20
>> Pacific Golden Plover.   1
>> "snowy" plover.               1
>
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