Date: 2/4/19 7:49 am From: Chip Clouse <chip.clouse...> Subject: Re: [cobirds] RE: How to find your true Colorado bird list total
Andy et al,
It has always been my understanding that the ABA only accepts species to
their overall list that have been accepted by state bird record committees
as having arrived unassisted by man or, in the case of established exotics,
been there for multiple generations, is successfully breeding AND has had a
paper published in a peer-reviewed journal documenting that. As Joe said,
it would lead to a bird being countable only in those states where
accepted. For years, Muscovy Duck was only countable in the Rio Grande
Valley until FL (and maybe other states) added Muscovy to their State List.
Now you can count Muscovies seen on a golf course in Boca (though it feels
Certain birds like Budgy and Yellow-chevroned Parakeet, once ABA countable
- but only in FL - have been removed from the ABA list as they are not
thriving or "established" anymore. I don't count the Budgy I saw free
flying by the Denver Botanic Gardens 15 years ago, OR the one I saw in Dade
county, FL 10 years ago, as the only countable ones were around Hermosa
Beach north of Tampa when Budgy was still on the ABA list.
On Sun, Feb 3, 2019, 8:55 PM Andrew Bankert <abankert2007...> wrote:
> I could not find any mention of state records committees in the ABA
> Recording Rules. Has anyone seen anything saying that records committees
> have any say in ABA list totals? Here are the rules I was referring to in
> my first email:
> For vagrants it seems pretty clear to me that personal judgement and
> knowledge are what matters:
> (ii) A species observed far from its normal range may be counted if, in
> the observer’s best judgment and knowledge, it arrived there unassisted by
> man. A wild bird following or riding a ship at sea, without being captured,
> is considered traveling unassisted by man.
> For introduced species it seems like strays from established populations
> (in conjunction with the rule above) are countable:
> *(v)* an individual of an introduced species may be counted only when
> part of, or straying from, a population that meets the ABA Checklist
> Committee’s definition of being established
> Again, I personally think that official state lists tend to be more
> accurate, but I do believe records committees are occasionally too
> conservative and have rejected species that should have either been
> accepted or at least received more consideration and the ABA rules are nice
> in some situations if a lister thinks a decision was too cautious.
> Andy Bankert
> Fort Collins
> On Sun, Feb 3, 2019 at 8:18 PM Joe Roller <jroller9...> wrote:
>> This is NOT my understanding.
>> You can count those geese on the ABA checklist ONLY if you have
>> seen them in the states out east where they have been accepted by the
>> state bird record committees.
>> Ditto with Mute Swan and Budgerigar. They are established and countable
>> in some states, but you have
>> to see one where the local population is *established* in order to add
>> it to your ABA area or Lower 48 list.
>> "Personal judgment" does not trump State Records Committees. The whole
>> idea of having rules for listing
>> is so we are all on a level playing field.
>> Joe Roller, Denver
>> On Sun, Feb 3, 2019 at 7:59 PM Andrew Bankert <abankert2007...>
>>> I just wanted to add a quick note that is really minor about listing. If
>>> you do report your totals to the ABA you can count anything on the ABA
>>> checklist in your state totals even if that species hasn't been accepted by
>>> the state records committee. That means for ABA, you can count Pink-footed
>>> and Barnacle Goose if, in your own personal best judgement, you think they
>>> arrived unassisted by man. You cannot count Rufous-collared Sparrow since
>>> that does not appear on the ABA checklist. For ABA, you can even count
>>> Mute Swan if you see one you believe is a stray from the countable
>>> populations in the Midwest. I still think that using the official state
>>> list is a better way to keep track, but I just wanted to clarify for anyone
>>> using ABA's listing rules.
>>> Andy Bankert
>>> Fort Collins
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