Date: 12/22/18 9:40 pm
From: Tom Crabtree <tc...>
Subject: [obol] Re: The next skirmish: eBird vs. Raptor Routes?
Bob, what I do on my Raptor Route is break it up into segments. My route is about 40 miles long so I break it into 8 segments and list the birds that way and I have no problems with Ebird. No battle at all!

Tom Crabtree

From: <obol-bounce...> [mailto:<obol-bounce...>] On Behalf Of Robert O'Brien
Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2018 7:51 PM
To: obol; Jeff Fleischer
Subject: [obol] The next skirmish: eBird vs. Raptor Routes?

Don't know whether the previous eBird vs. CBCs "battle" was resolved, or a truce was declared.

But, here is another one, as described in the subject line.

Trying to get my nerdy, grade-school, grand kids interested in birding (that's when I started)

I signed them for their own eBird account. Also along was, my (computer-savy) son my wife and myself for the Hood River Raptor Route.

We did our first Dec 15 and I tried to upload it to eBird. See attached image.

Thanks to Jeff Fleisher who signed us up for this route (perhaps to his now regret?)

But, eBird would not publish it 'publicly' whatever that means because the mileage was too long and not specific enough for

locations. It seems that their setup of eBird did not recognize Raptor Routes as an eBird possibility.

Here it is, but I doubt you will be able to access it.

I sent eBird the following email and am waiting to see what they suggest: In general I have found them to be amazingly congenial

and cooperative (& sophisticated). Have any other OBOLers tried to enter a Raptor Route into eBird?

There has been a somewhat heated discussion in Oregon of late about CBCs vs. eBird for scientific & other value. It was pointed out that an individual could enter their sightings into eBird as well. But, I am now experiencing difficulty with entering Raptor Route data into eBird because of the distance involved. This data is clearly valuable to science because the same exact routes are specified over many years. I tried lying about the route length to get this survey made public but with no success. Seems like this could initially be solved just by allowing public display of such a Raptor Route. Longer term more sophisticated methods could be used. For instance, I have included a detailed Google Route map jpg under the dummy species 'domestic goose'

This route is also available at

What do you say/think?

Bob OBrien Portland OR <baro...>

Submission appears to be

PS I should have mentioned to them that this raptor route at least (my first) does retain detailed information for the route segments and species therein that I presume is stored somewhere should someone wish to access it in future.

PPS This year's route was a bummer, tied for lowest ever with 10 raptors and I don't mean species. Nevertheless it had have some very nice occurrences, which you may eventually be able to see? My grandson scored his 'most-wanted' Kestrel as our first raptor which he identified himself from previous field guide images. My granddaughter's most wanted Snowy Owl, no so much.

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