Date: 12/6/18 3:40 pm
From: Ann Brice (via carolinabirds Mailing List) <carolinabirds...>
Subject: Re: Selection of Locations for Hotspots
Buckhorn Reservoir is a good example of the problems being cited here.
Ebird suggests that a checklist/hotspot should have same kind of
habitat. There are three fingers/coves and miles of shoreline around
Buckhorn Reservoir and the habitat is really the same -- water with wooded
shoreline and a lot of the shoreline is looking at the same point of water
so if I am reporting a group of ducks or gulls in a particular finger of
the lake, maybe I should be using a hotspot in the water, not the access

However, personally I tend to use access points around the lake to name my
locations -- I have 19 personal locations around the reservoir: Buckhorn
Reservoir -- Bailey Rd curve, Buckhorn Reservoir -- horse trail, Buckhorn
Reservoir -- Hogg Road, etc. Maybe many of these locations should be
hotspots; most are on city-owned land and I assume therefore public but not
easily accessible.

The problem comes with aggregating the data. I like having a list of
birds for the whole reservoir. I think for most discussion of birds, it is
appropriate to talk about the rarities at the whole reservoir -- not some
access point. I also like checking who has submitted the most lists or has
the most species for a hot spot, county, etc and if you use the many access
points, it doesn't give you the same results.

I would like to see hotspots have subentities that can be accessed
separately but have the ability to group the data to the larger entity. So
there should be BuckhornReservoir.BaileyRd,
BuckhornReservoir.MoccasinCreekCove, etc. Then when I look at the list of
birds for BuckhornReservoir, it should include all of the data from the
subentities. That way, I would get the high level aggregated data and
birders could come nearer to finding the the access points.

Ann Brice
Wilson, NC

On Thu, Dec 6, 2018 at 12:56 PM Hilda Flamholtz <carolinabirds...>

> Shelley, I use ebird when we are driving to and from locations to find a
> good spot to stretch our legs and do a little birding. This one was
> frustrating this past fall because the pin was in the water. We eventually
> found a boat landing but I wondered if it was really was where local
> birders go.:
> <>
> If anyone is familiar with Buckhorn Reservoir and there is a specific
> shore location better than others, I think that update would be helpful for
> this hotspot.
> Thanks,
> Hilda Flamholtz
> Columbia, SC
> On Thu, Dec 6, 2018 at 10:44 AM Shelley Rutkin <shelleyr...>
> wrote:
>> Good morning Jeffrey and All,
>> I am the eBird hotspot editor for NC and anyone is welcome to contact me
>> any time with questions or problems with hotspots. I have also encountered
>> the situation Jeffrey described and I agree that it can be frustrating.
>> The problems stem from several issues. First is that we are trying to use
>> a pinpoint location to identify an area that is actually a polygon. There
>> will probably be a change in eBird allowing definition of the actual
>> hotspot boundaries, but don't expect changes any time soon. Another
>> problem is that eBird locations have multiple uses - researchers using them
>> to understand habitat and where birds actually were observed and birders
>> using them to find birds and locations. The instructions from eBird state
>> that the pin for trails should be in the middle of the trail. That
>> probably helps with analysis, but it's not always most helpful to birders.
>> Considering all that, I am leaning more towards putting the pin for new
>> hotspots at trailheads and parking areas and I am willing to change any
>> older hotspots that are problems. For bodies of water, I am usually trying
>> to put the pins at the actual spot birders use (usually at the shoreline).
>> Again, I'm always happy to hear from anyone with questions or suggestions
>> regarding NC eBird hotspots.
>> Shelley Rutkin
>> Winston-Salem, NC
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: <carolinabirds-request...> [mailto:
>> <carolinabirds-request...>] On Behalf Of Jeffrey Blalock (via
>> carolinabirds Mailing List)
>> Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2018 8:30 AM
>> To: Carolina Birds
>> Subject: Selection of Locations for Hotspots
>> Greetings all
>> In the past few months I have been Birding a great deal in NC and have
>> really enjoyed exploring some of the nearby counties eBird Hotspots.
>> However on several occasions I have come across Hotspots that have their
>> location selection at a middle of a lake or in the middle of a trail and
>> not anywhere near for a Birder not from the area would know where to get to
>> the best views of the lake or where to park to get on a trail.
>> Please keep this in mind when setting up a new Hotspot and if you come
>> across one consider moving its location.
>> I did this on a trail that I came across in Mecklenburg Co VA early this
>> year. The location was on the middle of the trail named incorrectly and
>> wasn’t near either one of the two parking areas to assess the trail.
>> Thank you and Good Birding.
>> From my iPhone
>> May God Bless and Keep You
>> Jeff Blalock
>> 103 Elizabeth Court
>> South Boston VA 24592
>> 434-470-4352 Cell
>> <jcbabirder...>

Ann Brice

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