Date: 10/31/18 6:38 am
From: dianemarie yates <maribird...>
Subject: Re: CNN: This is the 'last generation' that can save nature, WWF says
I should've proofed before sending but had a muddy dog emergency. Even I don't know how this blankety- blank device got 'orchestra' out of porch light but it's just another example of the trouble we're in when we program machines to correct our thinking! Ugggh!

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On Oct 31, 2018, at 8:32 AM, dianemarie yates <maribird...><mailto:<maribird...>> wrote:

Politics, like species, evolve. The long-term goals of birders and other wildlife/ nature enthusiasts remain to keep ecosystems healthy and preserve places to enjoy them. However the extremist's view that this can be done exclusive of society's interests is unrealistic & unique to those who have never had to work for a living!
We didn't get in this tangle because we're all a bunch of greedy narcissists but because we all need to eat, live under a roof and drive to our jobs. Nobody knew DDT would impact birds until it did, or that Roundup would give us cancer. We've been too hard on ourselves! We need to each just do our best to not be part of the problem. Leave thickets for birds to hide in--which in Arkansas means merely giving the lawn mower a break. Keep hummer feeders scrubbed and hoppers cleaned frequently. Grow native plants for fruit, flowers and nesting, & well you all know the drill.
I kept a hummer feeder up for strays & it paid off. At 7 this morning by orchestra light a ruby- throat buzzed my ear & landed in the river birch as I was hanging their juice.

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On Oct 31, 2018, at 6:32 AM, Joseph C. Neal <joeneal...><mailto:<joeneal...>> wrote:

ARBIRD list is hosted by the University of Arkansas, a public institution where hopefully a broad range of opinion is honored. I think Kim Smith’s original thinking in sponsoring the list was that it focus pretty exclusively on birds, but not to the exclusion of broad thinking -- which after all is a rather noble aspect of a University. But without partisanship. For very practical reasons, no Arkansas tax payer should be required to pay for my partisan views, despite the fact that I am at least 100% certain I am right about what I think. Aren’t we all? There are for sure Democrat, Republican, and and Independent birders, but I can tell you from experience we are all birders when trying for a look or a photo of that Sharp-tailed Sandpiper. Then, “We are all birders” just like I hear politicos say, “We are all Americans.” I am a totally partisan person, just go to my facebook page and check it out. But I suspect my partisanship is only part of the broader picture, or as my conservative Christian Dad used to say, “It takes 2 to tango.” I suspect that is true in a healthy democracy, too. Sticking as closely as possible to birds is why ARBIRD endures.

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Subject: Re: CNN: This is the 'last generation' that can save nature, WWF says

Daniel Mason,
If it concerns birds, feel free to use the Arkansas Birders Facebook page to discuss issues. It has turned into a "pretty picture" page when I had originally intended it to be an extention of rhe listserve where photos AND further discussion of sightings, bird related discussion and conservation issues can be discussed. We do sometimes sensor comments that suggest/encourage illegal personal actions or those that obviously contribute to bird decline, but for the most part discussion is open. I'd like to think that anyone who cares for nature and birds could step past party lines to look for solutions. I like you am doing what I can as an individual, but that's not enough to save whole species unfortunately.
Donna Haynes
West Pulaski County

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On Tue, Oct 30, 2018 at 5:48 PM, Daniel Mason
<millipede1977...><mailto:<millipede1977...>> wrote:
Almost surprised I haven't seen any conversation yet. Maybe it's been mostly private?
Talking about some issues can be difficult to not bring politics and such into them, which is sad... because, they're actually good things to talk about. I've said it before, I wish we had another place, such as a facebook group or something, to discuss these things. We generally TRY to tread lightly here because of the potential controversy and, we just don't need it. I'm close to rambling, I'll try to stay on track...
one question I feel is worth asking is... what's the goal in discussion? I've seen lots of discussions online(FB and the like) where people post links to stories and the discussions are often "this side is right... those people are wrong..." and that often turns to name calling. Unproductive for everyone involved. Nothing is accomplished.
If everyone in this group got together to discuss these issues(here, or elsewhere) what would be the goal? Just discussion and sharing of thoughts? Or, seeking solutions? Too often, I find, people want solutions but we wait on others while we get mad.
Oh so many thoughts.
These topics are definitely worth discussing. I just wish it was easier to be productive in such discussions.
I have thoughts on the actual issues but I'll leave those aside for now. Just wanted to say that I'm glad people want to discuss these things and I hope more people will want to talk about them SO much, we can find less controversial ways of doing so.

I'm doing what I can to protect nature here at home... no pesticides or herbicides anywhere in the yard(5 acres). No well manicured lawn...(it's a jungle here.) And more plans for purposeful native plantings in the future.

Daniel Mason

On 10/30/2018 11:44 AM, Jonathan Perry wrote:

I know that we’ve gotten tangled up in some rather contentious and ultimately unproductive listserv exchanges in the past when this kind of information is posted, and I hope we can find some other tone with which to discuss both this report and the recent report by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate (IPCC), but the implications of both reports regarding the current and projected status of Arkansas avifauna seem too important to me to be neglected or ignored. Let’s at least try.

This is the 'last generation' that can save nature, WWF says

Pollution, climate change and other manmade factors have caused the decline of more than 4,000 species since 1970, the World Wildlife Fund says. Read the full story<>

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