Date: 9/25/18 10:33 pm
From: David Lantz <lantz503...>
Subject: [obol] Re: [boo] Re: Not a birder anymore
To let us know that he is better than us? You can care about prisoners,
bird conservation and still walk around parks and refuges and enjoy nature
and the beautiful birds.?

On Tue, Sep 25, 2018, 9:59 PM Oscar Harper <oeharper3...> wrote:

> Why is Joel even telling us this???? Who gives a shit if he is a birder or
> not? How important does he think he is?????
> On Mon, Sep 24, 2018 at 6:22 PM Joel Geier <joel.geier...> wrote:
>> Jay and all,
>> I don't really have time to respond in full because I have other
>> involvements at the moment. I'm getting a lot of e-mails and even one phone
>> call today, most of them supportive but some who want to argue with me, on
>> grounds similar to what you've laid out below.
>> The big-tent idea is great but I think all of us who've been in birding
>> circles know what it means when a birder says, "So-and-so isn't really a
>> birder." We know which kind of accomplishments get celebrated and held up
>> as examples that others should aspire to.
>> There are other words for all of these other activities that you see as
>> part of birding. Naturalist. Hiker. Explorer. Amateur ornithologist.
>> Mentor. Teacher. Student. Conservationist.
>> I always thought "birdwatcher" was a pretty good word for what I like to
>> do, in relation to birds. It's a good word that's been around for a long
>> time.
>> But a few decades ago some people coined (or adapted) the word "birder"
>> for what they saw as a more active and, dare I say, more macho pursuit.
>> Birdwatchers were eccentric, usually older people with funny hats who
>> belonged to "societies." Birders were (usually) guys willing to jog up
>> trails before dawn with headlamps and drive fast all day so they could set
>> a "Big Day" record. That's all fine, it's just not something that I
>> identify with or even want to be identified with.
>> The word "conservationist" is a much bigger tent and it would be great if
>> more "real birders" want to be under that tent. We could be celebrating
>> people like Dennis Vroman who has banded more birds or Dave Lauten and
>> Kathy Castelein who have found and helped to protect more Snowy Plover
>> nests than anyone else in Oregon. We could be celebrating the folks who
>> show up at legislative hearings in Salem, trying to get stable funding for
>> non-game habitat work by ODFW. We could maybe even consider not bitching or
>> telling people to "take it to BOO" at the slightest whiff of a call for
>> political involvement.
>> About BOO, I think a lot of birders don't even know it exists, or else
>> they think it's just for comments related to the Malheur NWR occupation by
>> the Bundy Boyz. There are only a few "elite" Oregon birders who ever
>> contribute or comment. Several have admitted to me that they're not even
>> signed up and they never look at it.
>> Finally, my apologies to the many people who've written to me and I
>> haven't responded to yet. I'm really busy right now with some other
>> involvements, alongside of my regular work. Some of you know what I'm
>> talking about but even if OBOL rules permitted it, I wouldn't want to talk
>> about it in such a wide-open forum. I do intend to get back to everyone
>> with a personal response and my e-mail inbox is full of red dots. But it
>> might take a while.
>> Happy birdwatching,
>> Joel
>> On Mon, 2018-09-24 at 14:55 -0700, Jay Withgott wrote:
>> Joel and all —
>> I’m unaware of what specifically may have precipitated your initial
>> posting, Joel, but I, for one, have always valued your perspective and your
>> contributions on OBOL, so I certainly hope you’ll remain in our online
>> community! I also, like you, very much wish that more birders would devote
>> greater time and effort to help conserve the birds we all enjoy — this is
>> sorely needed. However, I think the wording of your message sets up a
>> false dichotomy by equating the word “birder” — a broad term rich and deep
>> with meaning(s) — with narrower conceptions like “lister” or “chaser”.
>> Although many of us enjoy chasing rarities and/or building lists, this is
>> hardly the only, or even primary, motivation for most birders I know. I
>> think all of us — including the most hardcore chasers — are motivated by
>> some or all of the following:
>> * getting outdoors to enjoy natural surroundings
>> * exploring new areas
>> * recreating with friends who enjoy the same pastime
>> * learning about bird behavior, distribution, and abundance
>> * building field skills and the ability to predict bird occurrence based
>> on knowledge of habitat and seasonality
>> * leading field trips and teaching others about birds and nature
>> * writing, illustrating, speaking, or otherwise communicating the wonders
>> of birds and nature to others
>> * researching and publishing on aspects of field ornithology that advance
>> our scientific understanding of birds
>> * enjoying the simple (or not-so-simple) act of observing birds
>> Every individual has his or her own skills, interests, priorities, and
>> constraints, so each of us will pursue different mixes of these approaches.
>> There many ways to be a “birder," and I think we’re all best served if we
>> retain a big-tent meaning for this term. There is nothing black-and-white
>> about how one pursues interests in birds. One can be a lister AND a
>> conservationist; a chaser AND a restorationist; a teacher AND a student;
>> etc., etc. I predict that anyone attending the upcoming OBA meeting will
>> witness a full and rich mix of diverse approaches to birding within and
>> among the attendees.
>> Joel, I know you know all this already, but I feel it worthwhile to put
>> in writing for the sake of the many people on this listserv who may be
>> newer to the community. This is because I think it’s important to
>> recognize that the nature of communication on listservs such as OBOL tends
>> to heighten the perception of rarity-chasing as a component of birding. The
>> rules, norms, and expectations for posting messages on a listserv like OBOL
>> tend to constrict and weed out the majority of what each of us might think,
>> feel, experience, and wish to discuss with others from a day out birding.
>> Instead they urge us to be concise in our communication and to focus our
>> reports on the surprising occurrences, which are going to include the rare
>> species and out-of-place vagrants. This is necessary, or we would all be
>> swimming in so much unsolicited information that no one would read any of
>> it. But it does end up having the cumulative effect of portraying our
>> collective birding efforts as being far more focused on rarity-chasing than
>> they truly are.
>> For instance, this past week on a free day I could have driven to the
>> coast to chase a Hudsonian Godwit that would have been bird #400 for my
>> Oregon lifelist and would have required an OBOL posting had I found it.
>> Instead I chose to stay closer to home and poke around the wilder stretches
>> of Sauvie Island hoping to find some September shorebirds myself. It was a
>> poor migration day and I found nothing notable — and so posted nothing on
>> OBOL — yet I enjoyed plenty of natural wonders that day that broadened my
>> appreciation of nature in our region just a bit more, and I also enjoyed
>> running into a couple of birding friends in the field and catching up and
>> learning from them.
>> As for doing more for conservation, I’m with you 100%. But those birders
>> who choose to advance conservation efforts will naturally do so in
>> different ways, according to their own strengths, interests, abilities, and
>> opportunities. Engaging directly in habitat restoration is one excellent
>> way, but there are many others, ranging from education and introducing
>> others to the wonders of birds (see above) to lobbying and political
>> advocacy to contributing money and/or volunteer time to well-established
>> conservation organizations. For anyone wanting to know an easy way to help
>> serve bird conservation efforts in our region, I can tell you as a 7-year
>> board member of Portland Audubon that I continue to be impressed by this
>> organization’s extraordinarily effective efforts and programs. I also
>> contribute to international organizations such as the American Bird
>> Conservancy and the Rainforest Trust.
>> OBOL was never intended to be an outlet for discussing bird conservation
>> issues in Oregon. BOO is currently such an outlet. It might be worth
>> discussing why BOO has not yet produced the traffic typical of OBOL. One
>> possible reason — informed by my observations of our hard-working Portland
>> Audubon staff — may be that many of the folks doing on-the-ground
>> conservation work are simply too busy to spend time on listservs! At any
>> rate, I’m happy to help brainstorm about better ways we can foster more
>> communication regarding conservation issues with birds in Oregon.
>> Jay Withgott
>> Portland
>> Msg: #8 in digest
>> Subject: [obol] Re: Not a birder anymore
>> From: Joel Geier <joel.geier...>
>> Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2018 10:54:58 -0700
>> Thanks Mark but no, it's not even a hobby for me at this stage.
>> To me a hobby implies something that you're putting time into for its
>> own sake. "Avid" birders are hobbyists who happen to be highly focused
>> on their hobby.
>> To clarify, I still plan to volunteer on BBS routes as a long-term
>> project that seems worthwhile for monitoring birds and their
>> conservation status. I'll keep doing CBCs for the same reason, plus I
>> like visiting those places and seeing the people who show up as
>> volunteers, year after year.
>> But as the years go by, I've found it harder and harder to identify with
>> hobbyists who can always find time to dash out to the local sewage ponds
>> if someone sees a bird that they "need" for their county year list, but
>> never seem to have time to help on habitat restoration. Or folks who can
>> point their scopes at birds right outside a prison fence without doing
>> anything to help those inside.
>> People are of course entitled to pursue their favorite hobby, whether
>> it's collecting stamps, building model railroads in your basement, or
>> traveling hundreds of miles to add one more species to your life list.
>> To each their own. This is a birding list and obviously there are a lot
>> of people here who are avid about birding, in varying degrees. I just
>> wish there was something similar for people who are avid about bird
>> conservation.
>> On Sun, 2018-09-23 at 06:06 -0700, Braz wrote:
>> I would proffer that you are now a hobby birder, no longer an avid
>> birder.
>> But I've been wrong before.
>> Mark Brazelton
>> Hobby Birder
>> Medford, Oregon
>> On Sat, Sep 22, 2018 at 10:00 PM Joel Geier <joel.geier...>
>> wrote:
>> Friends,
>> It's been a good ride for the past twenty years or so. I thank
>> you for
>> the many things that I've learned along the way.
>> But I've reached the point where I no longer really care if
>> someone
>> finds a Louisiana Waterthrush or whatever in Benton County.
>> It's not
>> really meaningful even if it's real. It's just another stray
>> bird that
>> doesn't represent real conservation issues.
>> So no, I'm not a birder anymore. Please forgive me for that.
>> If you want to talk about bird conservation, I'm still here,
>> and I'm
>> listening.

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