Date: 9/24/18 12:06 pm
From: Bob Archer <rabican1...>
Subject: [obol] Re: Central and North Coast Rarities: Pacific Golden Plovers, Ruff, Snowy Plovers, Hudsonian Godwit, FOS Dunlins
Nagi and obol:

The golden hue is not age related in comparing your other BBPL, it is simply variation in their look in this plumage. You documented a nice variation in coloring.

Bob Archer

> On Sep 24, 2018, at 11:34 AM, Nagi Aboulenein <nagi.aboulenein...> wrote:
> Thanks, Dave!
> Interesting - I'm not sure whether these are the same birds that have been sighted and ID'd as Pacific Golden Plovers on South Beach. Does anyone have photos of the recent South Beach Golden Plovers, for comparison?
> Taghrid and I assumed they were. The coloration on the South Beach birds also was quite different from the BB Plover we saw later that day at HMSC Nature Trail (but that might have been age related - the HMSC bird was juvenile/immature, I believe). The SB birds really had a yellowish/golden tinge to their color, while the HMSC bird was more gray/black/white...
> Thanks,
> Nagi
>> On Mon, Sep 24, 2018 at 11:26 AM DJ Lauten and KACastelein <deweysage...> wrote:
>> Hi Nagi
>> Those would be Black-bellied Plovers. Golden plovers are never this whitish, and just the general body jizz screams BB Plover.
>> Lovely Snowy Plover pictures. As a side note, the Snowies now have been wintering at South Beach for a good five years or even more (Cathy would know). Once plovers establish a wintering site (or even breeding site), they will become dependent on that site year after year. They have very high site fidelity, both in winter and summer. So the bottom line is that this site should be a very reliable site for Snowy Plovers into the foreseeable future, as long as they are relatively undisturbed, the habitat remains good, and everyone basically gives them a little space. They will be quite accommodating to all the locals and birders - which is just awesome news for everyone.
>> I should mention that anyone seeing Snowies might be interested to know that birds with a single band on the right leg that is either RED or ORANGE means that it was banded as a chick this past summer 2018 in Oregon. Knowing the age of the birds may be a good exercise in both watching the progression of molt and testing your ability to age and sex the plovers. If you want to know specifics on where individuals are from, contact me directly and I will do my best.
>> Cheers
>> Dave Lauten
>> Oregon Biodiversity Information Center
>> Institute for Natural Resources
>> PSU
>>> On 9/24/2018 10:41 AM, Nagi Aboulenein wrote:
>>> Hi Bob,
>>> Unfortunately, no flight shots of the Golden Plovers. An inconsiderate biker dragging a dog decided to drive too close to the birds, and they flew about half a mile further south and didn't return while we were there. After having gotten a good bunch of photos of them, I decided to shift focus (no pun intended :-) ) to the Snowy Plovers, instead of pursuing the Goldens.
>>> Interesting points that you raise, which I'm definitely not qualified to respond to, so I'll take a backseat and watch the discussion unfold :)
>>> Cheers,
>>> Nagi
>>>> On Mon, Sep 24, 2018 at 9:17 AM Bob Archer <rabican1...> wrote:
>>>> Hi all:
>>>> I was looking at these great photos by Nagi, I was thinking the plovers at South Beach are golden hued Black-bellied rather than Golden-Plovers. The shorter wings, bulky look, bland face and large bill fit. hard for me to judge size, but the Goldens are obviously smaller than a Black-bellied. Maybe one has a very small bill but I think it is the angle.Any flight shots?
>>>> Bob Archer
>>>> PDX
>>>>> On Sun, Sep 23, 2018 at 9:10 PM Nagi Aboulenein <nagi.aboulenein...> wrote:
>>>>> Taghrid and I had an excellent weekend birding the Newport area on Saturday, and Fort Stevens area on Sunday.
>>>>> Newport area:
>>>>> South Beach (south of the access trail from the restrooms):
>>>>> 2 Pacific Golden Plovers
>>>>> Two dozen or so Snowy Plovers
>>>>> 1 Semi-palmated Sandpiper
>>>>> 2 Western Sandpipers
>>>>> Two dozen or so Sanderlings
>>>>> Also had a very brief view of what appeared to be a Lapland Longspur though not 100% certain - keep your eyes open for one in that area
>>>>> Hatfield MSC Nature Trail (across from the shelter):
>>>>> 1 Ruff
>>>>> 1 Black-bellied Plover
>>>>> 1 Least Sandpiper
>>>>> Couple of hundred gulls: mostly California, with a handful of Western
>>>>> 12 or so Brown Pelicans
>>>>> 1 Northern Pintail
>>>>> 2 Greater White-fronted Geese
>>>>> 1 Great Blue Heron
>>>>> 1 Belted Kingfisher
>>>>> 1 Turkey Vulture
>>>>> 4 or 5 White-crowned Sparrows
>>>>> Ft. Stevens - Trestle Bay:
>>>>> 1 Hudsonian Godwit (only far views, poor photos but definitely diagnostic)
>>>>> 1 Willet
>>>>> 6 Marbled Godwits
>>>>> 2 FOS Dunlins
>>>>> 8 Sanderlings at Ft. Stevens
>>>>> 2 Western Sandpipers
>>>>> Western and California Gulls
>>>>> 2 Northern Harriers
>>>>> Del Rey Beach to Peter Iredale:
>>>>> Around 200 Sanderlings over a 6-7 mile stretch of beach - no other shorebirds were seen
>>>>> Western Gulls
>>>>> California Gulls
>>>>> 1 Heerman’s Gull
>>>>> Dozens of Brown Pelicans, lots of diving/fishing activity
>>>>> 1 Tern sp - very brief look, not long enough to identify
>>>>> Here is a link to some photos: .
>>>>> Good birding,
>>>>> Nagi & Taghrid.

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