Date: 5/14/18 8:19 am
From: Joseph C. Neal <joeneal...>
Subject: Re: Killing Black Vultures
I too have some more I'd like to get off my chest, vis-a-vis this thread. If there is anything more that is relevant to Arkansas, and factual, probably ok to post that, but in honor our late friend list-owner Kimberly G. Smith, I'm going to STOP and hope most of you all can, too.

From: The Birds of Arkansas Discussion List <ARBIRD-L...> on behalf of Gmail <butchchq8...>
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2018 8:09:32 AM
To: <ARBIRD-L...>
Subject: Re: Killing Black Vultures

It does make one wonder.

Is there a literature citation for the study regarding the efficacy of effigies?

Honestly, the whole notion seems like a 13th century solution to a 21st century problem. Hopefully in the future, some brilliant scientist will come up with a more palatable solution for all concerned.

I have faith in our collective brain power.

Having said that, I will end my continuance of this thread before Joe tells me to!

Thanks, Karen, for your insight into this difficult issue once again.


> On May 14, 2018, at 07:22, Karen And Jim Rowe <rollingrfarm...> wrote:
> An effigy is a taxidermy mount of a dead vulture hung in the roost or at the depredation site or damage area. Dead vultures simply hung without taxidermy have also been used, often more successfully however the expected smell, and fly issues occur and someone has to be the person get that type of effigy down as it decomposes.
> Dead vultures from a local roost or family group are supposedly more effective as effigies compared to a vulture from another vulture roost from many miles away. Raises the question are effigies of birds from their roost more effective because the vultures recognize the individual
> as one from their “group”?
> Sent from my iPhone
>> On May 13, 2018, at 8:48 PM, Gmail <butchchq8...> wrote:
>> In this context, what exactly is an effigy?
>>> On May 13, 2018, at 20:36, Jeffrey Short <bashman...> wrote:
>>> I would think depredation of vultures, reinforced by effigies, may have a
>>> stronger deterrent effect.
>>> The Eglin vultures (to my knowledge) weren't involved in vandalism, which
>>> could offer a different reinforcement than just hangin' around.
>>> Jeff Short
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: The Birds of Arkansas Discussion List
>>> [mailto:<ARBIRD-L...>] On Behalf Of Karen And Jim Rowe
>>> Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2018 4:43 PM
>>> To: <ARBIRD-L...>
>>> Subject: Re: Killing Black Vultures
>>> Effigy use is a technique USDA-APHIS-WS uses in Arkansas at the vehicle
>>> damage sites. It has mixed results.
>>> A number of years ago, a woman from Heber Springs sent me a video of
>>> vultures tearing up, and tearing into, all the seat cushions on their party
>>> barge. From what I could see, no cushion was left intact. I counted 9
>>> Turkey Vultures involved in the activity.
>>> Karen
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> On May 13, 2018, at 4:30 PM, Jeffrey Short <bashman...> wrote:
>>>> One of my USAF colleagues ran a marina in So. California and he told me
>>> about vultures tearing up his boat seats. First I had heard of that so some
>>> property damage may occur. Wonder if the off-gassing of plastic tends to
>>> resemble garbage or dead animals??
>>>> I would expect that some Black Vultures may be attracted to cattle,
>>> especially sick or bloody areas.
>>>> Eglin AFB used vulture effigies to keep them from using communication
>>> towers as roost sites.
>>>> Jeff Short
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: The Birds of Arkansas Discussion List
>>> [mailto:<ARBIRD-L...>] On Behalf Of George R. Hoelzeman
>>>> Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2018 12:43 PM
>>>> To: <ARBIRD-L...>
>>>> Subject: Killing Black Vultures
>>>> There's an article in the current (Spring 2018) Arkansas Agriculture
>>>> magazine about Black Vultures by Keith Sutton. It rehashes the usual
>>>> stuff about them killing calves but goes on to talk about them tearing
>>>> up vehicles, etc., which I've never heard (not that I hear much). The
>>>> article provides information on one form of non-lethal prevention
>>>> (pyrotechnics, which gets about two sentences) then launches into an
>>>> extended discussion about depredation permits and the need to relax
>>>> regulations so people can pretty much kill them at leisure.
>>>> So, questions: Has anyone else seen this article? If so, how much of
>>>> it is valid and how much is just "agitating the base". Some of this
>>>> seems rather over the top (like 50+ vultures mobbing a cow during
>>>> delivery) and a lot seems more about weakening the Migratory Bird Act.
>>>> The article does reference a statistic from the USDA on damage to cattle
>>>> caused by vultures ($4.65 million/year) so it has the appearance of
>>>> legitimacy.
>>>> Before I go arguing the vultures' case (I happen to like Black Vultures,
>>>> but haven't had to deal with them in numbers) I'd like solid and
>>>> reliable information.
>>>> Input anyone?
>>>> Thanks
>>>> George (n. Conway Co. with nesting vultures, but no roost and no cattle)

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