Date: 5/1/18 8:59 pm
From: George Hammond <worldsmith...>
Subject: Re: [birders] OT: Monitoring a nest site using an automated camera
Hi Bob and all,

There is a company called Wingscapes that makes remote cameras designed specifically for photographing birds at short range, at feeders, baths, etc. I don’t know how the technology compares to other cameras, but at least they are designed for what you want. They apparently had a deal with Audubon to sell and Audubon Birdcam, but that doesn’t seem to be in production anymore.

Here’s the Wingscapes site:

I used one of their older products, the Audubon Birdcam, to find out what was eating my tomatos a couple of years ago (it was a squirrel). I don’t know how well they work for birds.

The Ann Arbor District Library has several of these Audubon Birdcams available for folks who live in the Ann Arbor School District to borrow and use. I think maybe you don’t live in the district, but I bet they would let you at least mess with one at the library if you wanted to. <>



> On Apr 28, 2018, at 9:41 PM, Bob Bethune <bobbethune...> wrote:
> An unattended camera sits near, but not too near, the nest. When a bird enters its field of view, it takes a picture or records a short video clip. Like a nest webcam, but not connected to the internet and not continuous. Hunters do this all the time to monitor deer movements. What they use is called a trailcam. Trailcams don’t work very well on birds. I’m hoping somebody here happens to know of gear that is designed with birds in mind. Clear now?
> On Saturday, April 28, 2018, <fkaluza...> <mailto:<fkaluza...>> wrote:
> I’m not sure I grasp the meaning of your comment Bob. Perhaps if we understood more about your intended use...Are you looking to robotically track a bird as with a “drone” helicopter or...rig a simple nest-box camera or, have a weathproof PTZ unit on a camouflage mount or tripod pointed up towards a nest or what? I know of no systems that can mimic the response time of something like a “human head on a floating balloon” if that’s what you’re aiming for. Tracking a bird in near-real time as it moves from branch to branch in the canopy could be done with A. I. as in a target tracking application but the bandwidth required for near real-time transmission of a digital image would be huge and processing delays would be substantial. “Locking on” and tracking a Warbler (for example) as it flits from tree to tree is still beyond the capabilities of any consumer grade product I’m aware of.
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> On Saturday, April 28, 2018, 11:39, Bob Bethune <bobbethune...> <mailto:<bobbethune...>> wrote:
> They are indeed becoming more affordable. The trick seems to be to identify systems with really fast response times, since birds move so much more quickly than most other kinds of animals.
> On Sat, Apr 28, 2018 at 10:35 AM, <fkaluza...> <mailto:<fkaluza...> <fkaluza...> <mailto:<fkaluza...>> wrote:
> Prices are coming down all the time Bob. There are several systems with rechargeable batteries, solar panels and which stream over cellular connections.
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> On Sat, Apr 28, 2018 at 10:07, Bob Bethune
> <bobbethune...> <mailto:<bobbethune...>> wrote:
> I have a probable nest site on my property that I'd like to monitor more intensively than I can do using my own eyes.
> I'm thinking of using some sort of automatic camera--similar to a trailcam. I have a trailcam, but I know by experience that it just doesn't work for birds.
> Has anybody used equipment of this sort with good success? If so, what make/model?'
> It needs to be a stand-alone recorder or camera. A webcam setup won't work; it's too far from the house to get to my router.
> Thanks!
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