Date: 5/1/18 7:41 am
From: Joe Tucker <000001df0ca37a3b-dmarc-request...>
Subject: Re: Rachael Carson and "enviro-fascists"
Bill, where did you get your crystal ball? I'd like to have one also! Seriously, what a sad doomsday attitude.

Since Carson's book, we have come a very long ways in cleaning up our corner of the earth, and that progress continues ... even under Trump (with some admitted set backs, of course, but it is still actual progress). Extinctions are a fact of life. Of course we should and do struggle to prevent them. We have every reason to believe that things will get better as many of the developing nations are now taking steps to at least slow down their polluting ways and the vast destruction of forest lands. As tot he earth's population, that myth was busted decades ago. Right now, the U.S. alone produces more than enough food to feed the entire world and we toss half of it in the garbage every year. The entire world's population could fit comfortably in an area the size of Texas. (do the math). We even have legitimate hope for the first time in my 71 years that we just might nowt have a thermonuclear war in my life-time .... maybe. Looks promising though. Iran and Islam is the worst threat now.

One thing to think about. While the world governments prevention of the use of DDT, thanks largely if not mostly to Carson, has given us back our raptors in numbers that they are now common place and may other birds and species, it has also led to the deaths of OVER 100 MILLION human lives!!! YES, true fact. DDT all but wiped out the malaria carrying mosquitoes in most parts of the planet, but once DDT was removed from use, the mosquitoes flourished again, and well over 100 million deaths have occurred because of the removal of the most effective insecticide. Many third world countries have reintroduced the use of DDT now and of course, they are seeing the same environmental results in those area we saw up through the 70's. So, how in your mind do we square that?

-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Thurman <bill.masterofmusic...>
Sent: Tue, May 1, 2018 8:28 am
Subject: Re: Rachael Carson and "enviro-fascists"

I'll make my comments as brief as possible. The human race is on a collision course with Reality, worse than any "asteroid " that they could have ever dreamed of. With 8 billion and more coming they will have gone beyond the pale. They ("we") are now the ultimate junk species. All birds are sacred compared with a species like "us". When the numbers have spun further out of control than they are now, wildlife and rare species will be devastated to a point that makes "now" look mild. The most horrifying plagues of new diseases, wars and environmental breakdowns will occur and the earth will be littered with dead humans everywhere, thereby bringing some relief to all the madness. Somehow the earth will survive "us" but it's a gigantic question whether "we" will survive the hell that we've made of the earth. That's all for now, folks.

Bluewater Bill - Bill Thurman

PS you can sanctimoniously criticize all you want. I don't give a damn.

On Tue, May 1, 2018, 08:01 Judy & Don <9waterfall9...> wrote:

Thank you for that, DeLynn. Of course that is also my understanding, but I am surrounded by people whose interpretation is quite the opposite.


On Apr 30, 2018, at 11:04 PM, Warbling Vireo <0000001d24760ffa-dmarc-request...> wrote:

My own (Christian) study of the Bible brings me to the conclusion that the God of my understanding expects environmental stewardship. One of the clearest, most succinct verses on that is Leviticus 25:23

"The land must not be sold permanently, because the land is mine and you are but aliens and my tenants."

Now back specifically to birds.

D. DeLynn Hearn
317 West K Ave.
N. Little Rock, AR 72116

On Apr 30, 2018, at 9:32 AM, Joseph C. Neal <joeneal...> wrote:

In my comments at Friday's evening's Arkansas Audubon Society meeting in Bentonville, I mentioned biologist Rachael Carson and her book, Silent Spring. She wrote passionately and factually about the impact of DDT and other chemicals on birds, people, and the environment. I have always thought the core of her books and beliefs involved alerting Americans to how our evolving culture was changing our world, and why we should be concerned about it. I thought the central point in Silent Spring was relevant 50 years ago, and remains relevant today, even if our understanding of some aspects of pesticides and herbicides have changed. I told people at the meeting our generation needs more Rachael Carsons. We need to keep looking at how we impact the environment -- both the good and the bad. It is all relevant.

I read the review (link below), then went to the "comments" section, and was surprised that some people believe Silent Spring was actually the "Mein Kampf" of what some view as "enivor-fascists."

People who think people, birds, and other life forms must equably share Earth as our only home -- and don't think Earth is exclusively for humans -- are "enviro-fascists"? Who would have thunk a good boy like me raised in Fort Smith, democracy, and an upright Southern Baptist home, and played high school football, would actually turn out to be an "enviro-fascist"? I watch birds and I vote. I'll leave the debate there.

Here's the article (thanks to Barry Haas for the tip) and be sure and go to the "comments" section in order to see if you are also an "enviro-fascist":

‘Silent Spring & Other Writings’ Review: The Right and ...
It is strange to read Rachel Carson’s “Silent Spring” today, more than 50 years after its publication, in a handsome new edition from the Library of America. At the time the book hit the shelves, it read as a relentless, densely factual indictment of the world’s growing use of industrial ...

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