Date: 1/8/18 1:00 pm
From: Steve Valasek <botheringbirds...>
Subject: Re: [AZNMbirds] SEAZ: Las Cienegas LAPLAND LONGSPUR continues today
Right, but to those of us from the East Coast water tanks are big man-made
metal things that hold water, usually on hillsides. So there can be
confusion when someone reaches the hotspot location, sees one of these, but
not Longspurs.

That's all, it's a beautiful area and a nice walk regardless.


On Mon, Jan 8, 2018 at 1:26 PM Marcia Lincoln <boahiss...> wrote:

> In the west, the natural water catchments, formed by solid rock and
> usually in a rocky canyon, are called tanks. They were used as water
> sources by the settlers of the American west and probably now also by
> immigrants attempting to cross the desert. Some of them hold water for a
> long time as they are in a canyon and shaded by cliffs or other rock
> structures around them. And may be the only water source for miles around.
> The bigger ones have been given names and are popular hiking
> destinations. I have a friend who loved to hike and try to find the tanks
> in remote areas like Cabeza Prieta. I have never heard the term used for a
> simple muddy pond, only for man-made metal cattle tanks.
> Marcia (Tucson, AZ)
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> *From:* <aznmbirds-request...> [mailto:
> <aznmbirds-request...>] *On Behalf Of *Steve Valasek
> *Sent:* Monday, January 08, 2018 12:51 PM
> *To:* <trose...>
> *Cc:* <aznmbirds...>
> *Subject:* Re: [AZNMbirds] SEAZ: Las Cienegas LAPLAND LONGSPUR continues
> today
> I really don't want to stir the pot, but I think the problem here is one
> of wording. The location of the longspurs is at a muddy pond; however, the
> location of the hotspot is at a metal-cylindrical structure that holds
> water. Some people call those tanks, while the pond the birds are at are
> also called tanks in the west, is this true?
> -Steve
> On Mon, Jan 8, 2018 at 10:42 AM trose <trose...> wrote:
>> The problem with locating the Longspur hotspot may be simply that there
>> was already an existing hotspot for Davis Pasture, but located a short ways
>> farther north along the two-track going in, and not at the tank itself. The
>> new Longspur hotspot is indeed at the tank, but when one looks for a Davis
>> Pasture hotspot in eBird, the previous hotspot also shows up. Betsy may
>> have simply been going by that hotspot for her location on her phone. (Do
>> we still need two hotspots there now? Or should they be combined? I only
>> ask because I noticed some of the previous eBird lists at the "old"
>> hotspot, going back several years, do include sightings from the tank
>> itself.)
>> Either way, this sure ends up being a fortuitously timely conversation
>> for me, because a short bit before I left for a holiday vacation to Texas
>> last month, I had taken a trip to Las Cienegas (not entered on eBird yet)
>> and had actually driven to the entrance to Davis Pasture for the first
>> time, in hopes of seeing Longspurs of some sort. Not being familiar with
>> protocol at this site at all, since I'd never been there before, I was
>> disappointed when I saw a gate - and so turned around and left to go home.
>> Darn. Guess I will have to try again! :-P
>> Tonya Holland
>> Three Points AZ
>> ------------------------------
>> On 1/7/18 1:36 PM, Laurens Halsey wrote:
>> The hotspot is located exactly where it is supposed to be, at the stock
>> tank where the longspurs are being observed. The last 0.4 mi of this track
>> leading to the stock tank is not considered drivable to Google Maps or
>> smart phone navigation software. Therefore smart phone driving directions
>> lead you to the closest spot that smart phone technology believes you can
>> drive. Drive on as suggested if not in a low clearance vehicle.
>> On Sun, Jan 7, 2018 at 10:42 AM, Betsy Checchia <betsy.checchia...>
>> > wrote:
>>> Be advised that, at least on my phone, the tank is actually about 0.4
>>> miles farther along the two-track road from where the hotspot is located.
>>> Go beyond the power line, to the top of the next hill, and you can see the
>>> tank at the bottom of the hill. Saw Lapland and McCown's Longspurs among
>>> many, many Horned Larks.
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