Date: 1/8/18 12:26 pm
From: Marcia Lincoln <boahiss...>
Subject: RE: [AZNMbirds] SEAZ: Las Cienegas LAPLAND LONGSPUR continues today
In the west, the natural water catchments, formed by solid rock and usually
in a rocky canyon, are called tanks. They were used as water sources by the
settlers of the American west and probably now also by immigrants attempting
to cross the desert. Some of them hold water for a long time as they are in
a canyon and shaded by cliffs or other rock structures around them. And may
be the only water source for miles around. The bigger ones have been given
names and are popular hiking destinations. I have a friend who loved to hike
and try to find the tanks in remote areas like Cabeza Prieta. I have never
heard the term used for a simple muddy pond, only for man-made metal cattle

Marcia (Tucson, AZ)


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[mailto:<aznmbirds-request...>] On Behalf Of Steve Valasek
Sent: Monday, January 08, 2018 12:51 PM
To: <trose...>
Cc: <aznmbirds...>
Subject: Re: [AZNMbirds] SEAZ: Las Cienegas LAPLAND LONGSPUR continues today

I really don't want to stir the pot, but I think the problem here is one of
wording. The location of the longspurs is at a muddy pond; however, the
location of the hotspot is at a metal-cylindrical structure that holds
water. Some people call those tanks, while the pond the birds are at are
also called tanks in the west, is this true?


On Mon, Jan 8, 2018 at 10:42 AM trose <trose...> wrote:

The problem with locating the Longspur hotspot may be simply that there was
already an existing hotspot for Davis Pasture, but located a short ways
farther north along the two-track going in, and not at the tank itself. The
new Longspur hotspot is indeed at the tank, but when one looks for a Davis
Pasture hotspot in eBird, the previous hotspot also shows up. Betsy may have
simply been going by that hotspot for her location on her phone. (Do we
still need two hotspots there now? Or should they be combined? I only ask
because I noticed some of the previous eBird lists at the "old" hotspot,
going back several years, do include sightings from the tank itself.)

Either way, this sure ends up being a fortuitously timely conversation for
me, because a short bit before I left for a holiday vacation to Texas last
month, I had taken a trip to Las Cienegas (not entered on eBird yet) and had
actually driven to the entrance to Davis Pasture for the first time, in
hopes of seeing Longspurs of some sort. Not being familiar with protocol at
this site at all, since I'd never been there before, I was disappointed when
I saw a gate - and so turned around and left to go home. Darn. Guess I will
have to try again! :-P

Tonya Holland
Three Points AZ

On 1/7/18 1:36 PM, Laurens Halsey wrote:

The hotspot is located exactly where it is supposed to be, at the stock tank
where the longspurs are being observed. The last 0.4 mi of this track
leading to the stock tank is not considered drivable to Google Maps or smart
phone navigation software. Therefore smart phone driving directions lead you
to the closest spot that smart phone technology believes you can drive.
Drive on as suggested if not in a low clearance vehicle.

On Sun, Jan 7, 2018 at 10:42 AM, Betsy Checchia <betsy.checchia...>

Be advised that, at least on my phone, the tank is actually about 0.4 miles
farther along the two-track road from where the hotspot is located. Go
beyond the power line, to the top of the next hill, and you can see the tank
at the bottom of the hill. Saw Lapland and McCown's Longspurs among many,
many Horned Larks.

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