Date: 11/14/17 11:55 am
From: Dave DeReamus <becard...>
Subject: Re: OT: NY Corn Crake tragedy

Just to be clear, for whatever reason, the bird got hit by a car when NO
birders were present. There are many reasons that the bird could've gotten
into the lanes of traffic. My friend saw the bird chase after a grasshopper
right out to the very edge of the road as the traffic zipped by. I only
mentioned the foxes because we saw them nearby and they hunt in the dark
when no birders would've been there.

As to my "tone", it was probably caused by the all-too-often criticizing of
birders who are "bad" because they 'chase' birds. As with every other
situation, sometimes there are a few bad apples that cause the mass majority
of responsible people to get a poor reputation. One has to only look to the
national situation with police to understand that.

I agree that any bird's death caused by humans is sad. Right or wrong, it's
just a fact that a very unusual bird is going a lot more attention than when
you drive down the road and a Robin flies into your grill.

Good birding,
Dave DeReamus
Palmer Township, PA
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-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Kruel
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 1:21 PM
To: <PABIRDS...>
Subject: Re: [PABIRDS] OT: NY Corn Crake tragedy

It struck me a bit with the verbage “did foxes chase it into traffic ?” I
don’t understand the point of putting this here. Is it meant to divert any
hint of blame away from people who look for birds ? …sort of the tone in
more of the text also

Anyhow……stepping back, the death of this bird is no more tragic than any
other…….just that it happened to be a vagrant that strayed into ABA
territory. I took a quick look at the status for corn crakes, and it
seemed they have a stable population in at least some of their home range.

If birders are worried about bird populations, then one of the best things
we can do is to push for a “how to live” “how should society work” in a
manner so people can have good lives and that the various species around the
globe can survive also. Some of the things that are tragedies for bird
populations are housing, roads, hotels, strip malls, energy consumption,
WAWA stores.

I’m sure resolving a template for how society to live with nature would not
be easy nor quick, and would involve input from lots of folks with lots of
backgrounds. Not that this topic would be solved in any one birder
meeting; however it could a good topic on some level for annual birder
meetings. Ie : What do we tell a person who is just making headway, but
others feel that their house or their job is bad for birds, nature ?

Good birding,

Dave Kruel
Schuylkill County

On Mon, 13 Nov 2017 02:16:36 -0500, Dave DeReamus <becard...> wrote:

>Jerry and all,
>As you mentioned, it’s a shame that the bird made it all the way here only
>to die by getting hit by a vehicle.
>Just to be clear, there WAS a traffic situation that “became a mess for the
>authorities”, but it appears that they were worried about the birders’
>safety while crossing the road and standing along the median near the
>normal, heavy traffic that apparently zooms by there every day. As we
>drove down this parkway on the way to the spot where the bird was, I noted
>to my friends that the posted speed limit was 45 mph and I admittedly was
>doing more than that, yet I was getting passed by almost everyone else
>doing around 60 to 70 mph!
>I believe that the presence of the birders lined up along the median
>actually helped the bird by keeping it farther away from the shoulder and
>closer to the brush line. And that same line of birders actually slowed
>some of the traffic down through “rubbernecking” that otherwise would have
>been zipping by at high speed. Unfortunately, it was rarely bothered by
>the speeding traffic except for when a loud truck went by. That’s when it
>would briefly run back into the brush for a short while and then return to
>feed. There surely wasn’t any attempt to slow the traffic down while we
>were there. I’d be surprised if there weren’t birders present there from
>dawn to dusk and since no one actually witnessed the bird getting hit, it
>apparently happened sometime after dark when no birders were present
>anyway. We also noted two foxes while we were there. Did one of them
>chase it into the traffic? Regardless of the possibilities, it was a sad
>For those who haven’t already seen this and are interested, here’s the
>report on the bird’s examination:
>This information was determined by Paul Sweet in the AMNH's Dept of
>Ornithology following the bird's untimely death the morning of 11/9/17.
>Here are his notes, which were shared on email:
>"Several people have asked about cause of death. The bird was clearly hit
>by a car with a fractures in both hind limbs and the pelvis.
>Jonas Lai has skinned the bird and we have obtained the following data.
>The bird was a male with testes 5 x 2.5 mm
>It weighed 100g which is rather light for this species. Published weights
>range from 135-210 g ((Handbook of the Birds of Europe the Middle East and
>North Africa). There was no fat but the pectoral muscles did not appear
>Stomach contained tiny insect parts which have been persevered but not
>A moderate parasite load of Acanthocephalans was identified by AMNH
>parasitologists Mark Siddall and Michael Tessler."
>Good birding,
>Dave DeReamus
>Palmer Township, PA
>becard -at-
>Eastern PA Birding:
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>From: Kruth G
>Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2017 11:04 PM
>To: <becard...> ; <PABIRDS...>
>Subject: Re: [PABIRDS] OT: NY Corn Crake tragedy
>Just a gratuitous remark -- it is a pity such a small and vulnerable
>creature makes it way so far then meets a tragic demise from human hands.
>it probably had no idea of the dangers from a road.
>From emails, it appears traffic became a mess for the authorities --
>perhaps there could have been an attempt to put warnings and slow cautions
>for drivers in this small area for this brief time? The little thing might
>still be alive.
>Jerry Kruth
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Dave DeReamus <becard...>
>Sent: Sat, Nov 11, 2017 6:30 am
>Subject: [PABIRDS] OT: NY Corn Crake story and photos
>I was lucky to get to see the Corn Crake found in New York before it met
>its demise by a vehicle.
>If interested, here’s the link to the short story and photos:
>Good birding,
>Dave DeReamus
>Palmer Township, PA
>becard -at-
>Eastern PA Birding:
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