Date: 10/10/17 2:54 pm
From: Alan Contreras <acontrer56...>
Subject: [obol] Re: Woodhouse's Jay
Browning grew up in Medford and lives there now; he knows Cal Scrubjay very well.


Alan Contreras
<acontrer56...>

“Nostalgic for Nixon"

Eugene, Oregon

www.alanlcontreras.com





> On Oct 10, 2017, at 2:01 PM, Lars Per Norgren <larspernorgren...> wrote:
>
> We don't know what scrutiny the Andrews birds have
> received since G & J labeled them. It sounds like
> Browning may have held them in his hands. I don't
> know his background vis. Scrub-jays. I see the label
> on one Andews' specimen has had the original specific
> name crossed out and replaced with "woodhouseii' but
> that may have been strictly a clerical move, not a result
> of studied consideration.lpn
> On Oct 10, 2017, at 1:41 PM, Tom Crabtree wrote:
>
>> What is interesting to me about the specimens is that we are told that two
>> fieldmarks for Woodhouse's are the lack of a "necklace" on the upper breast
>> and blue undertail coverts. Yet all four of these birds show those features
>> and they are supposed to be different species. Am I missing something?
>>
>> Tom Crabtree, Bend
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
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>> *8*
>>
>> Thanks Alan, that worked. No doubt the two Andrews birds look very
>> different. But the specimens for comparison are from Monterey CA.
>> It would be nice to have some from Adel or Burns. I suspect that even if the
>> species once occurred on Steens Mtn, the robust expansion of the coastal
>> species will preclude it in the future. What's the official name now?
>> "California Scrub-jay"?"Western" sounds too generic.lpn
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