Date: 10/9/17 7:16 pm
From: Joel Geier <joel.geier...>
Subject: [obol] Re: Skinner's Butte "deforestation"
If so, any gripes about changes in habitat at popular birding spots
should also be deprecated to BOO.

Personally, I'd welcome that, so that we can have a more open discussion
of habitat issues, and possibilities to get involved in a more positive
way.

On Mon, 2017-10-09 at 17:31 -0700, Alan Contreras wrote:

> This is a BOO topic.
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> Alan Contreras
> Eugene, Oregon
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> <acontrer56...>
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> www.alanlcontreras.com
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> > On Oct 9, 2017, at 5:29 PM, Joel Geier <joel.geier...> wrote:
> >
> > I'm cross-posting this to BOO which may be a better place to carry on,
> > if folks want to.
> >
> > For starters, I have to say, I generally enjoy Lars' colorful and
> > erudite way of expressing himself, even when I disagree.
> >
> > In this case, I agree with his remark that "restoration" has become a
> > buzzword that can be used to justify almost any anthropogenic
> > disturbance.
> >
> > In my book, "anthropogenic disturbance" includes a wide range of
> > tree-planting projects that were aimed to "restore" riparian forests in
> > places that were demonstrably unforested (or at most sparsely wooded)
> > grasslands in the mid-1800s. We lost a small but significant population
> > of "Oregon" Vesper Sparrows at Luckiamute SNA to one such case of good
> > intentions in the early 2000s.
> >
> > The current trend toward canopy thinning is still trivial in comparison
> > with past and ongoing forestation projects, so I welcome it. There's a
> > whole lot of room for the pendulum to swing back the other way, toward
> > maintaining open habitats.
> >
> > I disagree with Lars on his suggestion that land managers are just doing
> > this for "brownie points." Also on most recent projects that I'm aware
> > of, there's been an effort to gather baseline data, though budgets are
> > limited.
> >
> > Finally it's a bit unfair to poke sticks at public land managers because
> > many of them are not fully at liberty to defend their actions in this
> > forum.
> >
> > There are a lot of ways for birders to get involved in the process, for
> > any patch of habitat on public land that you care about. Oregon's public
> > meeting laws are strict enough that public employees think twice about
> > even riding an elevator together, if they didn't publish their plans to
> > do so in the local newspaper of record, 5 days in advance.
> >
> > So if you want to stay informed, it's easy to do so. You just need to
> > pay attention, and consider sacrificing some of your birding time to go
> > sit in boring meetings. Public lands managers are generally an
> > accommodating bunch. They will generally listen to you, and if you can
> > provide them with baseline information, they'll be thrilled.
> >
> > But in order to have an influence, birders need to stay informed and
> > show up for meetings. Whether we're willing to talk about it on OBOL or
> > just push it off to BOO, we need to be a lot more proactive in
> > communicating about habitat issues at popular birding sites. Otherwise
> > we'll just be stuck with complaining after the fact when these
> > developments catch us by surprise -- and honestly, it'll be our own
> > fault.
> >
> > --
> > Joel Geier
> > Camp Adair area north of Corvallis
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