Date: 6/21/17 4:38 pm
From: Jerry Davis <jwdavis...>
Subject: Re: Fwd: whip-poor-will article - Native Plants and Insects
Thanks for sharing. Ignorance is appalling and that is a problem, even with people know better they do not do better.


From: Judy & Don
Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2017 6:33 PM
To: <ARBIRD-L...>
Subject: Fwd: whip-poor-will article - Native Plants and Insects

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From: Judy & Don <9waterfall9...>

Subject: Re: whip-poor-will article - Native Plants and Insects

Date: June 21, 2017 6:32:02 PM CDT

To: Janine Perlman <jpandjf...>

I'm SO sorry, Janine. We are not near any developments, but there are neighbors and cattle ranches. I don't know what's going on with that as far as pesticides.
I may have told you, because it still makes me despair so many years later, that I saw one woman spraying her hummingbird feeder with wasp spray instead of cleaning it because as she explained, "Well the label doesn't say it kills hummingbirds, it's just for wasps and hornets."

On Jun 21, 2017, at 6:21 PM, Janine Perlman <jpandjf...> wrote:

Since a large housing development went in adjacent to us, insects at our porch light---still in the middle of tens of acres of woods---have decreased by 99%. It's terrifying.


On 6/21/2017 5:36 PM, Judy & Don wrote:

Jerry, I was just talking with a friend about this today also. In no way do I find current conditions to be normal. As a child I put up sheets at night with a light to attract hundreds of different varieties of moths. I remember windshields at night would be covered with insects, and car grills during the day had butterflies stuck to them. The asphalt or sidewalk below parking lot lights had fantastic huge beetles to discover.There were magnificent cecropia, polyphemus, luna and other silk worm moths around the windows and porch light at night and yes, insects of all kinds flew into the house when the door was opened.
I believed that by protecting this land and not using poisons on the lawn, around the house, in the gardens, or indoors, we would witness their return. But when I go to the "garden" department of ANY store I see yards and sometimes acres of shelves full of poisons. Most are residual and many are systemic. Imagine how many tons of tick granules and herbicides are used in a single housing development on lawns which then also kill other insects and the birds that eat them and the amphibians and reptiles that eat them.
Our culture has become afraid of nature.
I have not seen the return of insects over the past 23 years living here, but rather their demise.
We are indeed in the throes of an extinction.

Ninestone, Carroll County

On Jun 21, 2017, at 1:40 PM, Jerry Davis <jwdavis...> wrote:

Donald, thanks for sharing.

I was wondering if there is anyone on this list serve is old enough to remember when we had insects for bird food. But this is not only bird food, insects fuel the world. I was born in the last millennia and remember having moths, lacewings, preying mantis and beetles at my porch light and on the screen door and when opened they would fly into the house. We had beetles and moths around the street lights and they covered the streets and crackled under car tires when driving by. Mayflies along the rivers covered the roads and sometimes became slick enough to be a driving safety hazard. Dig into your crinkled cranium and dig out some of the past memories of when we did have native insects and food for birds. If you are not careful, the reality of the past may get lost in your mind to the point that you think the current conditions are normal and that is the way it should be.

Jerry Wayne Davis
Hot Springs, AR

From: Donald C. Steinkraus
Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2017 10:40 AM
To: <ARBIRD-L...>
Subject: Re: whip-poor-will article

1oo% true. Humans are turning the Earth into a desert. There are many parts of the world that are ecological deserts that used to once be teeming with life. I recall a talk at the annual meeting of the Entomological Society of America where entomologists went back to places in Brazil where hundreds of butterflies were once documented and now are cities, towns, shanty towns, extending for miles in every direction.


From: The Birds of Arkansas Discussion List <ARBIRD-L...> on behalf of Judy & Don <9waterfall9...>
Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2017 7:59:06 AM
To: <ARBIRD-L...>
Subject: whip-poor-will article

We hear Chuck-wills-widows every night, but it has been several years since we've heard a Whip-poor-will.

Here's an article on moths and whippoorwills that mentions habitat restoration using controlled fire.

Ninestone, Carroll County

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