Date: 5/2/17 8:04 am
From: Sarah Morris <saraha.morris1...>
Subject: Re: Whoopers
I'm glad this conversation was started. It has been interesting to read all
the emails.

Karen, I would certainly hope someone would let me know if I was doing
something unethical. I think it comes down to education. We need to
continue having these conversations so that everyone understands what it is
going on and why.

I'll admit I was frustrated to know I finally had a rare bird in my neck of
the woods (whooping crane in Cherry Valley) and I couldn't see it. But, I
get the reasoning and I went and read up more on the whooping crane
project. I now follow the La. project on Facebook if anyone else wants to
check it out ( I enjoy seeing
the pictures they post.

Sarah M

On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 9:34 AM, Glenn <
<000001214b3fcb01-dmarc-request...> wrote:

> Karen,
> I don't think we have met, but I approve of your style and love this
> email. Thank you very much.
> Glenn Wyatt
> Cabot
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> <>
> On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 9:25 AM, Karen And Jim Rowe
> <00000131a1cf8fbc-dmarc-request...> wrote:
> AGFC cannot tell individuals what to do unless it is stated in a
> regulation which is, at the minimum a 3 month process.
> I can strongly urge people to do or not to do something, which is exactly
> what Dan did. If that leaves a "gray area" as to whether or not someone
> pursues a bird then so be it. AGFC cannot legislate or regulate unethical
> behavior on our duck hunting areas any more than we can "order" birders to
> not pursue a bird.
> After my initial post, I have received a large number of emails, some from
> noted state birders, many from new friends I had never heard from before,
> relating stories of bird photographers birding with them in a group who
> have severely harassed birds in order to get the best photo possible. They
> also related instances of birders who harass birds so that everyone in a
> large group of gets a close look with the naked eye at a relatively
> uncommon migrant. Apparently there is a good number of people concerned
> about the unethical birding and unethical bird photography they continue to
> witness.
> I think our problem as birders in AR is not whether a group of friends who
> bird together should be labeled as a clique, or if someone who sees a rare
> bird is morally responsible to report its exact location to each and
> everyone in the state who likes to observe or photograph.
> I think the problem is an ethical one. Do we move in and flush a flock of
> feeding birds, who are trying to tank up on macroinvertebrates in order to
> amass the energy required to migrate to South America, just so we can get
> that one really cool photograph? Does a photograph justify the energy the
> long distant migrants just lost/wasted by our purposeful flush?
> And lastly, is observing unethical behavior something we keep quiet about,
> or whisper about to each other behind the offender's back? Or is it time
> to stand up for the birds and call out this unethical behavior to the
> offender, and if needed to others present.? Can you handle another birder
> being mad at you because you tried to politely point out to the offender
> and a few others present that the continued excessive use of a playback
> call is driving the male warbler to exhaustion and is preventing him from
> providing food for his nestlings?
> What would an ethical birder do?
> Karen Rowe KARO (because I like to use 4 letter bird codes)
> Sent from my iPhone
> On May 2, 2017, at 7:41 AM, David Ray <cardcards...> wrote:
> I think that this situation and all future situations like this could
> easily be avoided by the AG&F and the AAS by posting the message "THESE
> BIRDS ARE NOT TO BE PURSUED". This eliminates any question as to whether
> or not it is proper to search out the bird and leaves it in the hands of
> individuals and their own set of ethics whether to violate the request. I
> personally got from the original post that this was a non pursuit situation
> with these whoopers, especially when the location was specifically left
> out. Others evidently did not, which is what happens when things are left
> in gray areas instead of black and white. Am I upset I didn't see the
> birds? No. There will be others either here or somewhere else that are okay
> to be viewed with no questions asked.
> David Ray
> Sent from my iPhone
> On May 1, 2017, at 10:41 PM, David Starrett <StarrettDA...>
> wrote:
> Last weekend we attended the Lesser Prairie-Chicken Festival in Woodward,
> OK. Because of the significant loss of chickens, habitat and food source due
> to the wildfires in western KS and OK earlier this year, there is concern for
> the continued survival of this very range-limited species. While it
> was open to anyone, everyone in the bus who saw the chickens (we saw 10
> males!) was asked to not pin the exact location in eBird but put in a
> general location. Over 8 days of the festival a few pins were put in but
> all followed the instructions. It seemed reasonable to us and I was glad
> to help keep the location unknown for the time being to help minimize
> risk to them. But, anyone could have signed up for the festival.
> Dave
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> David Starrett
> Columbia, MO
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> ------------------------------
> *From:* The Birds of Arkansas Discussion List <ARBIRD-L...>
> on behalf of David Oakley <gdosr...>
> *Sent:* Monday, May 1, 2017 10:18 PM
> *To:* <ARBIRD-L...>
> *Subject:* Re: Whoopers
> I for one did not know all the details of this story until Karen Rowe laid
> out all facts with her post to Arbird. All I knew was some were seeing the
> birds and the location was not put out. I think Herschel pretty much sums
> up this entire discussion as it relates to these particular birds and I
> agree with him totally. He stated "I don’t think their positions should
> be reported at all."
> _ _ _ _ _ _ _
> David Oakley
> 4779 Cedar Ridge Drive
> Springdale, AR 72764
> 479/422-6588 <(479)%20422-6588>
> “Whiskey for my men, beer for my horses"
> On May 1, 2017, at 8:00 PM, Herschel Raney <herschel.raney...>
> wrote:
> At the risk of annoying someone, I will say that equating these Whooping
> Cranes that are part of the re-establishment program which are highly
> monitored and very human adapted with your normal rare bird sighting is a
> grave miscategorization. These birds require special care as they are just
> beginning to perform actual migration feats that make any sense and to nest
> on their return north. Frankly I don’t think their positions should be
> reported at all. And I would be on the committee that voted for moving any
> of them that stayed in the location these recent birds chose for a
> sustained stay. I received photos of the birds with their leg equipment,
> antennas and frightening background of rural homesteads and lawns with
> highway. Hell I would have moved them myself with a sack of corn and a
> roomy trailer in the dark of night if I could have pulled it off. Hauled
> them out to Big Lake. Though Lord knows what the satellite monitoring boys
> would have thought. “Jim, these two look like they are travelling at 65 mph
> about eight feet off the ground in the dark towards the Mississippi.” No
> doubt I would have been busted.
> I went thirty years ago to south Texas and watched adult and juvenile
> Whoopers out in the marshes they winter in from the safety of a boat. It
> was a fine landscape. These regal wild birds choose generally regal places
> to stay. These new birds don’t know. But perhaps their children will.
> Seeing these two recent birds in just the photos reminded me of how broken
> the world is. And I had no desire to see them in that condition or location.
> In any case, accusing the birders of Arkansas of colluding to hide
> rarities, struck me as misinformed. And when the first wild adult Whooper
> wanders away from the Platte River corridor and shows up at Millwood or the
> coastal plain or the fields along the Mississippi you can bet Kenny or
> LaDonna or Charles or Richard or Joe will inform people that they have
> arrived.
> And then I would go.
> The website for the project (you know, if you want to give them some
> money):
> Herschel Raney
> Conway AR

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