Date: 5/2/17 7:34 am
From: Glenn <000001214b3fcb01-dmarc-request...>
Subject: Re: Whoopers
I don't think we have met, but I approve of your style and love this email. Thank you very much.
Glenn WyattCabot

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On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 9:25 AM, Karen And Jim Rowe<00000131a1cf8fbc-dmarc-request...> wrote: AGFC cannot tell individuals what to do unless it is stated in a regulation which is, at the minimum a 3 month process.
I can strongly urge people to do or not to do something, which is exactly what Dan did.  If that leaves a "gray area" as to whether or not someone pursues a bird then so be it.  AGFC cannot legislate or regulate unethical behavior on our duck hunting areas any more than we can "order" birders to not pursue a bird.  
After my initial post, I have received a large number of emails, some from noted state birders, many from new friends I had never heard from before, relating stories of bird photographers birding with them in a group who have severely harassed birds in order to get the best photo possible.  They also related instances of birders who harass birds so that everyone in a large group of gets a close look with the naked eye at a relatively uncommon migrant.  Apparently there is a good number of people concerned about the unethical birding and unethical bird photography they continue to witness.
I think our problem as birders in AR is not whether a group of friends who bird together should be labeled as a clique, or if someone who sees a rare bird is morally responsible to report its exact location to each and everyone in the state who likes to observe or photograph.
I think the problem is an ethical one.  Do we move in and flush a flock of feeding birds, who are trying to tank up on macroinvertebrates in order to amass the energy required to migrate to South America, just so we can get that one really cool photograph?  Does a photograph justify the energy the long distant migrants just lost/wasted by our purposeful flush?  
And lastly, is observing unethical behavior something we keep quiet about, or whisper about to each other behind the offender's back?  Or is it time to stand up for the birds and call out this unethical behavior to the offender, and if needed to others present.?  Can you handle another birder being mad at you because you tried to politely point out to the offender and a few others present that the continued excessive use of a playback call is driving the male warbler to exhaustion and is preventing him from providing food for his nestlings?WWAEBD?What would an ethical birder do?
Karen Rowe KARO (because I like to use 4 letter bird codes)
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On May 2, 2017, at 7:41 AM, David Ray <cardcards...> wrote:

I think that this situation and all future situations like this could easily be avoided by the AG&F and the AAS by posting the message "THESE BIRDS ARE NOT TO BE PURSUED".  This eliminates any question as to whether or not it is proper to search out the bird and leaves it in the hands of individuals and their own set of ethics whether to violate the request. I personally got from the original post that this was a non pursuit situation with these whoopers, especially when the location was specifically left out. Others evidently did not, which is what happens when things are left in gray areas instead of black and white. Am I upset I didn't see the birds? No. There will be others either here or somewhere else that are okay to be viewed with no questions asked. David Ray NLR

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On May 1, 2017, at 10:41 PM, David Starrett <StarrettDA...> wrote:

Last weekend we attended the Lesser Prairie-Chicken Festival in Woodward, OK.  Because of thesignificant loss of chickens, habitat and foodsource due to the wildfires in western KS and OK earlier this year, there isconcern for the continued survival of this very range-limited species.  While it was open toanyone, everyone in the bus who saw the chickens (we saw 10 males!) was asked to not pin theexact location in eBird but put in a general location.  Over 8 days of the festival a few pins were put in but all followed theinstructions.  It seemed reasonable to us and I was glad to help keep thelocation unknown for thetime being to help minimize risk to them.  But, anyone could havesigned up for the festival.


David Starrett
Columbia, MO

From: The Birds of Arkansas Discussion List <ARBIRD-L...> on behalf of David Oakley <gdosr...>
Sent: Monday, May 1, 2017 10:18 PM
To: <ARBIRD-L...>
Subject: Re: Whoopers I for one did not know all the details of this story until Karen Rowe laid out all facts with her post to Arbird.  All I knew was some were seeing the birds and the location was not put out. I think Herschel pretty much sums up this entire discussion as it relates to these particular birds and I agree with him totally.  He stated  "I don’t think their positions should be reported at all."
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David Oakley4779 Cedar Ridge DriveSpringdale, AR 72764479/422-6588
“Whiskey for my men, beer for my horses"

On May 1, 2017, at 8:00 PM, Herschel Raney <herschel.raney...> wrote:

At the risk of annoying someone, I will say that equating these Whooping Cranes that are part of the re-establishment program which are highly monitored and very human adapted with your normal rare bird sighting is a grave miscategorization. These birds require special care as they are just beginning to perform actual migration feats that make any sense and to nest on their return north. Frankly I don’t think their positions should be reported at all. And I would be on the committee that voted for moving any of them that stayed in the location these recent birds chose for a sustained stay. I received photos of the birds with their leg equipment, antennas and frightening background of rural homesteads and lawns with highway. Hell I would have moved them myself with a sack of corn and a roomy trailer in the dark of night if I could have pulled it off. Hauled them out to Big Lake. Though Lord knows what the satellite monitoring boys would have thought. “Jim, these two look like they are travelling at 65 mph about eight feet off the ground in the dark towards the Mississippi.” No doubt I would have been busted. 

I went thirty years ago to south Texas and watched adult and juvenile Whoopers out in the marshes they winter in from the safety of a boat. It was a fine landscape. These regal wild birds choose generally regal places to stay. These new birds don’t know. But perhaps their children will. Seeing these two recent birds in just the photos reminded me of how broken the world is. And I had no desire to see them in that condition or location. 

In any case, accusing the birders of Arkansas of colluding to hide rarities, struck me as misinformed. And when the first wild adult Whooper wanders away from the Platte River corridor and shows up at Millwood or the coastal plain or the fields along the Mississippi you can bet Kenny or LaDonna or Charles or Richard or Joe will inform people that they have arrived. 

And then I would go.

The website for the project (you know, if you want to give them some money):


Herschel Raney

Conway AR

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