Date: 3/13/17 5:08 pm
From: Tim Rodenkirk <timrodenkirk...>
Subject: [obol] Re: Allen's Hummers in OR
I personally cannot tell the calls aparts. Given there are hybrids around,
it makes it even trickier. Allens, even hybrids, seem to be rare in Coos
Bay. The area I see Allen's and hybrids in Coos is Bandon, New River and
Coquille to Powers in lowlands. I would be real cautious IDing this species
by call without verify them by sight. The calls can be similar like the
HETO warbler complex in my experience. I have both species displaying at my
house now, darned if I can tell them apart.


On Monday, March 13, 2017, Zia Fukuda <zialeefukuda...> wrote:

> I reported an Allen's over the weekend at fossil point while looking for
> the Eider. I based my identification on the calls it was doing. Though I'm
> not very familiar with Allen's vocalizations, I have Anna's and Rufous
> down pretty well. The call matched perfectly with the Allen's vocalization
> on Ibird Pro, so at the time I felt very confident. But now.....? Are
> vocalizations a reliable way to separate the two species? I was cautious
> at first because I know their range is very limited here, but then I saw
> your post a little later about the fella at your place and thought "oh
> yeah, they must be pretty common here." :)
> Cheers,
> Zia Fukuda
> May your trails be crooked, winding, lonesome, dangerous, leading to the
> most amazing view.
> On Mar 13, 2017 2:46 PM, "Tim Rodenkirk" <timrodenkirk...>
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','<timrodenkirk...>');>> wrote:
> I was checking eBird and noticed a few Allen's sightings in Coos Bay
> lately, probably because of my recent postings of the bird at my casa (a
> real rarity, my first verified one meaning one that stayed around and
> displayed). Allen's nest north as far as about New River on a regular
> basis, further north of that they are a rarity although they are often
> reported from Bandon which I think is hybrid country. Hybrids are fairly
> common at New River and north to Bandon and sometimes to Coos Bay. I am
> speaking males here- good luck on female ID unless you can study tail
> feathers. So when looking for Allen's you need to find a bird with a pretty
> green back; most green-backed males I see have less than 50% green and are
> likely hybrids (although a small percent could be Rufous). I suspect most
> are hybrids though because when I see them display they usually do an
> Allen's type pendulum before their J. And yes if you do find a very
> green-backed individual make sure you also get to see a display to make
> sure on ID. Of course one could go down to Gold Beach or Brookings but be
> wary for migrant Rufous. The short of it is that if you get a quick look at
> a Selasphorus hummer on the south coast you should put it as Rufous/Allen's
> on eBird. Arch McCallum recorded hybrid wing sounds at New River and around
> Langlois. Full extent of the hybrid zone south is an unknown. Arch recorded
> good Allen's in Brookings though. Not sure what is happening north of
> there? Gold Beach would be a good place to look for Allen's though I
> suspect.
> Also if you want to find Allens from NOW until mid-May is best time, while
> males are still displaying. By late May and June the males are oughta here
> and the females and young are on the move so all Selasphorus after about 1
> June should be Rufous/Allen's sp. (unless you happen to find an obvious
> Allen's lingering of course). Just because you are in Brookings in June
> doesn't mean that a female Selasphorus is an Allen's. Every year I get
> calls from visiting birders in June asking me for good spots to look for
> Allen's- too late I say!
> I base all this info from spending 15 years doing point counts at New
> River and viewing literal a thousand or more male Selasphorus. Oh, if you
> find their perch viewing adult males can be easier with a spotting scope,
> it just takes time to get good looks...
> Out of range green-backed males Selasphorus in Western OR could be Rufous
> too- once again, look for a display to be more sure.
> Happy hummingbirding!
> Tim R
> Coos Bay

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