Date: 3/13/17 4:58 pm
From: Herschel Raney <herschel.raney...>
Subject: Re: Yard questions
I have spent 15 years clearing privet from my 12 acres of woods. There
will still be privet here when I die or when I move away. It takes
several years to clear any given area with pry bar and clippers and
chain saw. Every root tries to come back. Every scattering of seed from
the shoot of a remnant stump makes more swaths of seedling plants. They
do not die back in winter. Sure they make seeds, good-god-loads-of-them,
and the birds do eat them. The Hermit Thrushes will even bother with
them in the deepest cold, if I am not uprooting privet and worms and
grubs from the ground. Some years Robins roost by the thousands in my
cedar groves and they eat privet berry. I have watched a Blue-headed
Vireo take some in the heart of winter. And waxwings of course: it is a
berry. Though I swear they would rather eat anything else. Waxies will
even take Nandina, another scourge.

I cannot walk anywhere on my property without bending to stoop for
another starter privet here or there. I have some beautiful sections
that are entirely privet free. I have no lawn, just leaf cover and flora
and tree. The deer sleep outside my bathroom window. In my high bush
blueberry, cleared of priver. And the deer do eat the privet in winter
when I pile the clippings on the ground. I find them the next day, sleek
and leggy, staring at me, radaring me with those great deer ear cups.

The plant should be banned for sale in the US. It was a bad experiment.
We should now know better. But we don't. Bell has the scourge as well.
And no one is really working on it now that Kenny is long gone.

It is a great shame all around when I find woods overtaken by them.
Holla Bend. Ozark river valleys. Ah, the world. I would surrender and
just go do privet work every day if I could. RIght now. I still may.

Don't test me.

Herschel Raney

Conway AR

On 3/13/2017 12:44 PM, Reames, Clark -FS wrote:
> After retirement, I plan to contract a dozer to get a head start on my
> privet thickets in AR and try to go back native but I am also
> realistic in the knowledge that I will have to fight privet for the
> rest of my days. If your land is privet free now, DO NOT INTRODUCE
> IT. You will regret it. I didn’t introduce it on my place but I sure
> wish that somebody else didn’t many years prior…
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> [mailto:<ARBIRD-L...>] *On Behalf Of *Elizabeth F. Shores
> *Sent:* Monday, March 13, 2017 10:27 AM
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> *Subject:* Re: Yard questions
> I think Janet does a good job of promoting the use of native plants.
> My husband and I often enjoy paraphrasing her advice on invasive
> Bradford pears: “Prune to ground level and repeat as necessary.”
> On Mar 13, 2017, at 12:09 PM, Sally Jo Gibson <sjogibson...>
> <mailto:<sjogibson...>> wrote:
> I’m so very sorry for making this recommendation!!
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> *From:*Mary Ann King <mailto:<office...>
> *Sent:*Monday, March 13, 2017 12:00 PM
> *To:*'Sally Jo Gibson'
> <mailto:<SJOGibson...>;<ARBIRD-L...>
> <mailto:<ARBIRD-L...>
> *Subject:*RE: Yard questions
> While Janet Carson is undoubtedly an expert in her field, she does
> often recommend species that are not native & are invasive as
> well. I have been fighting Winter honeysuckle for years which she
> recommends for bees. Invasive species crowd out native trees,
> shrubs & grasses. Proof? Look at Callery pear, Japanese
> honeysuckle, privet, Kudzu and on & on.
> Native species are best to use if you want to feed birds. Oaks
> are at the top of the list for having caterpillars which birds eat
> for protein & rearing their young.
> MaryAnn King
> In the pine woods northwest of London
> UA Cooperative Extension Service. Janet Carson in the Little Rock
> office is an expert on yards.
> Sally Jo Gibson
> Harrison, AR
> Hi all,
> This is for bird-ers, plant-ers, and animal-ers alike. We live in
> a neighborhood in eastern Fayetteville which is well-treed and
> well-lawned. This time of year, we frequently see trucks from one
> or another of the various lawn maintenance companies, as well as
> many of our DIY neighbors fertilizing and spreading other stuff on
> their lawns. The result in the summer is a lot of very green and
> carefully mowed carpets. We've resisted, with the result that our
> front and back yards are largely pretty bare ground. We would
> like some advice on "in-between" choices which are relatively
> low-maintenance and benign/supportive of birds and other animals
> (and plants). We're trying to find out more about micro-clover as
> an alternative to lawn grasses. Thoughts?
> Jonathan Perry, Ph.D.
> Licensed Psychologist
> Fayetteville, Arkansas
> Elizabeth Findley Shores
> 4408 Sam Peck Rd.
> Little Rock, AR 72223
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