Date: 11/17/25 2:46 pm From: David Pereksta via groups.io <pereksta...> Subject: Re: [venturacobirding] Allen's Hummingbird Question for Experts
Hi Brad
I have been thinking about this same question as I had two birds occasionally visiting my yard last winter that were Selasphorus hummingbirds with no rufous on the back, rump, and uppertail coverts; and a lack of rufous on the undersides too. There was a small patch of rufous on the sides of the uppertails and some paler buffy coloring on the undersides, but that was it. My understanding is that Allen's should have some degree of rufous in the areas you described although as I further researched this, apparently Rufous Hummingbirds can have a lack of rufous coloring in those areas as juveniles (Allen's less likely to lack rufous completely). However, Rufous Hummingbirds do not winter locally so we are unlikely to see them outside their migration windows. See the article at the following link for further insights on these difficult to identify fall Selasphorus hummingbirds.
Fall Befuddlers: Broad-tailed, Rufous/Allen’s, and Calliope – Sheri L. Williamson
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After taking a month or more to get decent looks and photos last winter, the consensus from a number of "experts" was that my birds were Broad-tailed Hummingbirds. One of them appears to have returned last week and I am continuing to try to document it. My birds have generated a lot of head-scratching and highlights just how hard it is to identify female and immature hummingbirds.
Hope this helps.
Cheers
Dave PerekstaVentura
On Monday, November 17, 2025 at 11:58:46 AM PST, Brad Sillasen via groups.io <bradstewartsillasen...> wrote:
Do female/imm. male Allen's ever have 100% green back, rump, and upper tail coverts? Brad SillasenLa Vida en la Avenida
Date: 11/4/25 10:46 am From: Frank DeMartino via groups.io <frank...> Subject: [venturacobirding] Ventura CBC - Saturday, December 20th
Hi birders,
Our CBC for the Ventura circle is scheduled for Saturday, December 20th.
I know this overlaps with the Carp circle and unfortunately it couldn't
be avoided this year. I will have more info and reminders later on, but
save the date for Tuesday, December 9th. I'll be doing a CBC program for
Ventura Audubon at 7pm at the Poinsettia Pavilion.
If you'd like to volunteer for the count, please email
<venturabirdcount...> and I'll get you setup with a sector leader /
location as we get closer to the count date.
Thanks,
Frank DeMartino
Ventura CBC Coordinator / Compiler
Date: 11/3/25 10:12 am From: John Callender via groups.io <callender.john...> Subject: [venturacobirding] Carpinteria CBC on Saturday, December 20
Signups are now open for the Carpinteria Christmas Bird Count, which will be held this year on Saturday, December 20. (Note that this is the same day as Ventura Audubon's CBC this year.) More information about the count, including a link to the signup form, are here:
