Date: 4/30/26 12:31 pm From: John Turner <redknot948...> Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Deborah Allen, please contact me
On Thu, Apr 30, 2026 at 1:02 PM Deborah Shapiro <dsnidan...> wrote:
> 1. I’m not Deborah Allen.
> 2. I agree completely with Joe Wallace, A Birder, et al.
> Deborah Shapiro, birder
>
> On Apr 30, 2026, at 12:07 PM, Joseph Wallace <joew701...> wrote:
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>
>
> Jumping in before this thread is deleted to say that these facts are
> widely known and discussed elsewhere. In my opinion, these for-profit walks
> and the Twitter ("X") link they publicize are among the reasons (not the
> only one!) why most birders have migrated to Discord and various other chat
> channels. In those places, community standards and guidelines (e.g., don't
> play tape overmuch or subject sensitive species to an inundation of birders
> and photographers) are part of the deal and are more generally followed.
>
> On Thu, Apr 30, 2026 at 11:29 AM A Birder (via NYSBIRDS-L list) <
> <NYSBIRDS-L...> wrote:
>
>>
>> These are facts, not accusations.
>>
>> She sends an eBird list to the entire state each day. How is it
>> informative beyond someone going to eBird and looking up checklists for
>> Central Park? There is no useful commentary as seen in Tom’s thoughtful
>> emails.
>>
>> The walks are illegal because they charge money without proper permits.
>> They were ticketed for this and now specifically tell walkers ahead of time
>> (in bold on their website) to not pay them until they are exiting the park
>> to avoid being ticketed for the same offense again.
>>
>> Bob blasts calls on his speakers that are disruptive to other birders and
>> other park goers. I have seen him even blast owl calls in the middle of the
>> day and blast calls in the faces of those who were critical of his ethics.
>>
>> So please let me know which part of my accusations are inaccurate?
>>
>>
>> Sent with Proton Mail secure email.
>>
>> On Thursday, April 30th, 2026 at 11:14 AM, Ken Gale <nuffsaid...>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > That's a helluva accusation. Where is it coming from? Are you
>> > criticizing Deborah's wonderfully informative daily posts of the birds
>> > in Central Park? Or me doing an environmental radio show promoting
>> > birds and the birding community for the past 24 years as a volunteer
>> > producer and host? If you hadn't gone public with your accusation, I
>> > would not have gone public with this defense. Neither belong on this
>> > list, IMHO.
>> >
>> > Happy bird-day,
>> > Ken
>> > www.ecoradio.org
>> >
>> > When the air or water are clean, thank an environmentalist. If not,
>> > become one. 'Nuff Said!
>> >
>> > On 4/30/2026 10:49 AM, A Birder wrote:
>> > > It would be great if we stopped allowing daily emails from someone
>> who is basically promoting their illegal, for-profit, and disruptive walks
>> by spamming everyone with an eBird list sans commentary.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On Thursday, April 30th, 2026 at 10:25 AM, Ken Gale <
>> <nuffsaid...> wrote:
>> > >
>> > >> Hi, Deborah,
>> > >> Your e-mail bounced back - over quota.
>> > >> Thanks,
>> > >> Ken
>> > >>
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